Minor gripe: the difference between high and low impedance headphones is the *voltage* needed to drive them. The power should be about the same across headphone types.
Yes Sean with a higher voltage amp the current will be lower, however, different headphones do have different power requirements (based on more factors than just impedance) so the overall power does need to change. But I can see that to a more educated viewer, my use of language is a bit too vague! Sorry!
@@inthemix Good explanation. Yes, I was just worried about the conflating of the terms "voltage" and "power" in the video. Otherwise it was a good video as usual 😀
I've been studying electronics a million years ago. A famous basic formula being V = RI → Voltage (Volts), Resistance (Ohms), Intensity (Amperes). So the above mentionned by Sean. Also P = VI P being Power. LGTM at first sight.
I am always being asked which headphones are best and which impedance (ohm) is best! In this video, I hope to quickly answer lots of questions about headphones including: How do headphones work? What Ohm of headphones do I need? Which impedance sounds best? High or Low impedance headphones for Mixing and Mastering? How do headphones actually work? What's inside headphones? Do more ohms sound better?
Can you please help me, my micorphone came with M-Audio Vocal studio Pro II, it was fine when i first purchased it but nowadays whenever i try to record...there is a huge static noise... And i can't solve it...
Eh mate what microphone you recommend for voice recording vocals for EDM tracks. I understand that having a good voice and quality mic helps reduce the workload.
I agree. I've got good headphones and never checked impedance. I think this boils down to the fact that youtubers with the amount of viewers he gets get paid well and they gotta keep working
I don't know English. Which is better for my PC ? 32 or 250 ? 250 ohm have better sound but 250 ohm too much hard for a PC ? I want to buy a new Over-ear headset. "Sennheiser HD 280 pro (64 ohm)" is good choise for me ?(for music)
I think it's still important to mention that sensitivity also matters a lot. Something like Abyss, Audeze, Hifiman often have low impedance but also low sensitivity so they need much more power to get loud enough.
Because it's nonsense to say that "high impedance heapdhones need more power". Impedance determines the relationship between voltage and current. How much power you need depends on the sensitivity or efficiency. Higher sensitivity means you need less power, but it also means that the noise floor of your amp and source needs to be lower .. otherwise you'll hear it. Higher impedance means you need less current, which at the same power is an EASIER load for an amplifier. On the other hand you need more voltage and therefore gain or turn up the volume more.
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this makes a lot of sense. i was interested in buying Beyerdynamic, and had no idea what this meant. this helped a lot, you explained it very well thank you
Nice! I have the 770’s 250 ohm AND I happen to have the iD14!! When I purchased the headphones I wondered if the iD14 would drive it enough but quikly found out it did! Audient interfaces are pretty underated imo.
real good video, with extra clear explanations. All with a nice smile, a calm "Zen" voice and no stupid distracting sound or visual effects. Just gettiong down to basics and straight to the point. Thank you so much.
What a perfect demonstration without sounding pretentious or getting too complex. I actually own the DT770s but only chose them because I thought a middle ground would be the safest bet lol. Much credit to you for your clear and pleasant delivery.
@@mikelisteral7863 Too much treble? I prefer that over too much bass lol... to each his own... There are flat cans out there, and while they are productive for mastering and such, they're very stale for music listening.
@@alternatingbitmusic stale? you mean accurate. all headphones on earth should be flat. use the eq if you want to mess around with what the artist intended you to hear.
@@mikelisteral7863 well with that logic an $11 pair of Skull Candy ear buds should be just perfect based on what EQ you set... get my point? It's just just flat/accurate, but it's the craftmanship and personal preference. So much of audio quality is perception based on the individual.
Correction: The reason studios used, and in fact demanded, high impedance phones was that they used so many of them and the easiest solution was just stringing them electrically in parallel. I have many parallel-wired headphone distribution boxes with 10 ohm resistors in series with each output to protect against low impedance multiples.
Hey, this was an amazing video! Thank you for teaching some of the scientific and technical engineering concepts, I really enjoyed the fact that you disassembled the earcups and showed us the actual driver technology and how the impedance relates to the coil length. Thank you!
you can have headphones that have relatively low impedance, yet are very hard to drive because they are inneficient and have very low sensitivity. like the hifiman he-6se at 50 ohms and 83.5 db. low impedance is not always an indicator that a pair of headphones are going to be easy to drive. sennheiser hd800 have high empedance at 300 ohms but have very high efficiency. much easier to drive than he-6. impedance and sensitivity are equally important parameters to check.
Very very good video mate, I bought the Beyerdynamics DT 770 Pro 80 Ohm around 4 years ago and I had to dig up and research all of what you explained in the first 5 minutes all by myself, this video would have been a lot of help back then. Love the DT 770 Pro by the way, these headphones are great.
Are you using them on a laptop or a PC? And for what prupose do you use them, music production or mixing? And its 2 years now since you wrote this comment, do you still use them? Id appreciate an answer if you see this, thanks!
@@andbe If you're using them with a laptop or PC without an amp it's best to probably go with the 32ohm versions. The 80ohms will work with some devices but won't be as loud as the 32ohm would be with that same device unless you also have an amp to power them. BUT the difference might be very minor, and some people might not even be able to tell, or it may be very drastic for you. YMMV
@@SchwettyBawls Hi bro, how will the 32ohm headphone behave with dj controllers , will it be too loud ? And I don't want to spend on an amp so is it fine or an amp with a 80 ohm version is a real game changer in terms of sound output quality? You can tell me as a beginner producers perspective. Thanks
@@LarcR Nice! It may work well with some setups and some people. But the higher ohm version will be quieter for other people depending on their setup and their level of hearing loss.
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Higher impedance generally means higher dynamic range and that's about it. Of course many other things can result from that, like less distortion, less easier induction of strain electrical fields (less susceptibility to interference)... etc. But there are so many other variables that not all these can be true at the same time.
Thanks man, you helped make my decision on my new headphone purchase. Almost bought a 250ohm headphone without really knowing what I was doing, you explained it perfectly.
SUPER easy explanation. SUPER easy to follow along. I didn't have physics in HS, didn't take physics in college because I haven't gone to college (yet) so basically, i'm what I would consider self-taught. Your vids are incredible man! Really awesome stuff! Thank you for your content dude!
Some good info but you only said one vague sentence about the possible sound quality difference between different impedance headphones of the same brand. So I’m still uninformed as to whether I should go for 32, 80 or 250 ohm dt770s for home studio use.
It's all about your usage. If you have a dedicated amp and dac, go for the 250. If you will mostly use it your phone or laptop go with the 32 or 80 ohm. There's no a huge difference in sound quality. If you use the 250ohm on a phone it will sound good too but you won't be to turn it up higher. The volume might be too low for your taste.
You seem to be confusing power with voltage. Low impedance headphones need less voltage and more current to drive them; high impedance headphones need less current and more voltage to drive them. Power is the product of voltage and current; so for a constant power current and voltage are traded against each other. Smartphones do not, generally, have the voltage swing to drive higher impedance headphones but do have the current capability; pro and prosumer amplifiers can have a much higher voltage rail to play with and will have no problem providing the much greater voltages required for higher impedance headphones. Lower impedance headphones use thicker wire with fewer turns (therefore greater current at lower potential) in the drive unit to create their magnetic field. High impedance headphones use thinner wire with more turns (less current at greater potential). For the Beyerdynamic DT770 all impedances have the same sensitivity due the variation of wire diameter vs. length as described above.
@@robjobse8860 None. I think higher impedance headphones are a legacy back to a time when headphones were used with amplifier's headphone sockets; and of course, studio gear. I've read there are audible differences between Beyer's DT770 series, but that may be just voicing.
Let's not forget the 'damping' factor, higher impedances allow for a better damping factor = more control on the actual push/pull of the diaphragms = more definition and a more 'precise' sculpting of the soundwaves, (at a higher voltage of course, otherwise it's worse than low impedance headphones)
It was my understanding 600ohm have less mass of copper which translates to more accurate and responsive diaphram movement. I have the 600 ohm version of DT880 and every review I saw said the 600ohm was better than the 250 which was close and the 80 ohm version which was noticeably inferior. I think the main reason we dont see 600ohm much anymore is because of the equipment we are plugging them into now not because 600ohm is old fashioned technology.
This is informative. I’ve been using the Beyerdynamic DT770 32 ohm headphones for over three years and it’s been great for me, especially since I am hard of hearing; sometimes I wear them with my hearing aids, sometimes not. They are good when I do music production too. Now I know more, so thank you!
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G. H i just ordered a pair of those, but the MKii version. I think they’re a solid budget buy. The frequency response graph is good. As said in one of the videos on this great channel, there’s no such a thing as “flat headphones” but you can find some of them close to that, get to know them is the best bet.
@@turkishultranationalist Hi. Could You give me a help, please. I bought a pair of Dt 990 250 ohms and connected to scarlett 4in4 3rd gen and they are playing so quiet. There is something that I can do to make it right or better send them back and get 80 ohms? Thank You
I just got the DT-990 Pro 250 Ohm open back for mixing and mastering in my studio using a separate headphone amp which has 4 headphone outputs. There’s plenty of volume and very precise. As when mixing and mastering you don’t want the headphones to falsely boost anything giving you a false impression of what the finished production will sound like. It needs to sound good when the end user listens on their chosen music device. I use a pair of 32 Ohm DT-100s for recording vocals as they are closed and do not leak sound into the vocal mic. My two Beyer Dynamic go to head phones for two different tasks. Finally a pair of Presonus E-5 monitors are ideal for my small home recording studio.
I love the way this guys explains everything, the calm, the way he speaks is very good for people who English isn’t 1st language (for example me, I’m Mexican) and I can understand everything… and not forget his wisdom. Thanks!
Recently purchased the Beyerdynamic DT-990 PRO and it was the best decision ever. Those work so well for producing, mixing and mastering for me. I'm using them on an Audient iD4 and the 250 Ohm are no issue at all (i was a bit worried at first, which is why i watched this video again). Volume is more than enough, turning it fully up would still blow your ears quickly i'd say.^^ Even on the poor headphone amp of my Samsung S9 there is still a decent volume possible. However it feels that some clarity/resolution gets lost in that case.
Thank you! This video is the best explanation of the difference between low & high impedance headphones. I really appreciate your full yet succinct explanation. BIG help!
why you’re such a great channel is because EVERY sentence you say has substance that teaches me something. most other channels just blabber on for 80% of the video with only 20% real substance
I have the Beyerdynamic dt 990 pro 250 ohm and I use them for mixing music and on my portable devices and phone around the house and they sound EXCELLENT. I compared them to a lot of studio monitor headphones others and there were some that sounded about the same but I loved these due to the sound quality, the soft pads, you can replace every part if anything breaks and the classic old school look. You wont be disappointed with these headphones.
hi,just ordered the dt 240 pro headphones just for listening to my music on my laptop, i always use a headphone amplifier with other headphones ive used in the past, im looking forward to see how they perform and sound either with or without the amp, thanks for the review it all makes sense now thanks to your in depth review.
Two more points to add to the benefits of higher impedance headphones: 1. because they need more voltage to produce the same volume, you get a higher Signal to Noise ratio (small voltage noise from the electronics). 2. the ratio between the headphone impedance and the cable resistance is higher, so more of the audio energy is converted to sound, as opposed to dissipated on the cable.
1. Nope. These days headphone amps don't produce audible noise so this is not a factor. SNR of headphone output into any impedance is between -90...-140dB. There's no noise in headphones. 2. At 32+ ohms this value would be so small that this doesn't matter either unless the connection is broken in some way, for example from the plug not sitting tight in the socket. Impedance variation in headphones is a legacy phenomena. Old pro and home stereo interfaces used to have sketchy outputs so the headphones had to match impedance to them. Today it's a thing of the past unless you like vintage audio.
When Im scrolling for videos on products to purchase very rarely do I comment. Most times I find myself with a long list of tabs filled with people who's gibberish and intro I have to skip through to get to the information I need. Never have I skipped and seen someone take apart the product entirely, this intrigued me, "this guy has more than retail wisdom!" I say to myself I went back and watch your video entirely and might I say Thank you, Very informative on many different levels.
Amazing video I learned more from your video on what a term means and how it works than I did watching 8 different videos from 8 different channels! Awesome stuff! Please make more videos like this!!
Yes you can definitely use the 80 ohm in pretty much every occasion, whether it being plugged straight into several devices or with the use of amps. The sound quality still remains superb. But… The 80 Ohm is not supposed to be used for normal studio usage or hifi-amps (here you should use the 250 ohm) On the opposite, the 80 ohms also isn’t perfectly suitable for smartphones or devices powered by USB. (Here you should use the 32 ohm instead, because of a too low volume levels).
@@Dubufy You should look for people using the same audio interface/output device that you are using. I use the 770 pro 250ohm and I don´t need a amp(Steinberg Ur22C/44C, Line UX2, tested), my drum module didn´t work with the 250ohm but with other 80ohm´s(Roland TD-9).
I had this question coming up in my head, too. So I asked Beyerdynamic directly. Specifically regarding the DT-770 and its three variants. Low impedance: thicker wire for the coil, makes it easier for the current/electrons to flow through that wire -> low resistance/impedance. High impedance: lighter wire, but the electrons have a harder time to travel through that "narrow hose" Having a thicker wire makes the coil heavier and less reactive, MEANING moving a bit slower compared to a lighter coil. So the the 32-Ohms-version has less top end, compared to the 80- or 250-Ohms-variant. I used and use all three versions here in a professional environment (broadcast). Being the convinced Beyerdynamic user that I am, my latest buy was a bunch of 32-Ohms DT-700 Pros. I do regret that buy! These cans sound too compressed and they're a tad too much on the dull side for my taste. But it was too late to return them, so I use them in a less exposed setting. When choosing headphones, in our field, besides the sound, other aspects come into play, too. For instance when being used by multiple persons it's good when you can clean the cushions more easily. Or, Beyerdynamic offers every single part as replacement parts, for decades and all models. They're made in Germany and they are a very solid company. The DT-770 Pros are built very sturdy, too. That being said, I can really recommend the 250-Ohms-version for a broad variety of use cases. IF you have weak headphone amps such as in mobile phones, I'd give the 80-Ohms-version a try or switch to maybe a Sennheiser HD-25 or an Audio-Technica ATH-M50x for that.
I have audient ID14 and RODE NT1-A. I have to use Phantom Power to be able to use the RODE NT1-A microphone. Should I get 250ohm Beyerdynamic headphones? Can Audient ID14 run both headphones and microphone at the same time? Please help me out cause I'm definitely not an expert when it comes to ohms and all that things with the voltage and power. 🙏🏻
(H. Inc) "A thicker wire makes the coil less reactive...So the 32 Ohm version has less top end than the 80 or 250 Ohm." -Are you sure about this? I think you mean the 32 Ohm has more top end than the 80 or 250 (due to thinner wires and more reactive coil.). I'm not sure, since these will be me first 80 Ohm headphones, but also, others have said the the opposite -meaning higher impedance gives more open soundstage, etc. Hard to know without personally A/B-ing them, i would think, due to all the variables in an audio chain and subjective ears.
@@wolfy9477, the Audient will have plenty of power to drive both. I have an ID 14 myself and use a phantom powered mic and the 250 ohm Beyers with no problems at all. FWIW, I sold my 80 ohm Beyers once I got the 250 ohm model. The 80 is a bit bass heavy and muddy sounding compared to the 250.
This was great! I've been looking for recording headphones for a while, and was trying to understand Ohm so you helped a lot! I'm actually getting the mid level ones you showed in the video from beyerdynamic. Thank you!
The higher impedance version has less mass in the coil. Lower moving mass of the driver makes it more responsive to the electrical signal, the jargon term is a 'faster' driver. This is why the higher impedance versions of otherwise similar headphones sound better (given sufficient amplification).
This just blew my mind... There's an electromagnetic field, different metals, acoustics of these coming together, and of course art and taste. Together a complicated craft rewarded with beautiful music... Imagine building these!!!
I've had the DT 770 pro for about 4-5 years now and I absolutely love them! Cannot recommend them enough. I use them for listening to music, (really, really amateur level) music production and gaming and I've never been left wanting more.
I have it too from last 2 years ago and i love it, just i've broken up my 770's and i decided to change because some comments telling the 990 PRO are overall better, they all are complete wrong, the 770's is a lot more inmersive in gaming and soundstage.
In case this helps anyone, I used the audiotechnica M50's for a couple years and was never a huge fan of the sound, but that it must've just been my ears because everyone raves about them. I recently saw this video and switched to the Beyerdynamics DT770's and my goodness, they're amazing! Incredible headphones for mixing and just listening to music. You can hear so clearly where each element of the song is in the stereo field. Bass is great, way better than the AT M50's in my opinion.
I've been using the DT770 80 ohm ones for 5 years now, and they've been hands down the best headphones i've ever had. The sound is so good, they're comfortable to wear for a full day and they last incredibly well. The plastics on the have cracked a bit few years ago already, but with no downside to usage and they're still tough. I'd buy another pair in a heart beat.
Absolutely! I've used them with mobiles, audio recorders and pc's and it works great on all of the them. I often listen to metal / rock, so i tend to have the volume higher than lower :) But, let me say that i use my beyers on pc mostly. They are not really the most travel friendly, so for travel / on-the-go i'd choose something smaller and lighter. I take them to bedroom and lay down sometimes, or just mess around in the house (cleaning etc.). Or hop into a bus and they're fine there too, but that's about it outside of the house. They just take that much room and can't be folded (which makes them rock solid). But if you're fine with that, cool. Little nice quality headphone amp is worthy considering too. It adds to the setup, and for the most part it's too much of a hassle for me (but, i haven't rigged it properly to my audio player, let's say with rubber bands), but when i use it it's nice! More volume (better volume control too), but more importantly even better sound. Through a headphone amp the music just sounds better, all-around. But, not in any huge margin. Typically i go without. But if you get one (let's say used) for a good price, give it a try? Up to you. Would be even better for a mobile, especially some very slim type. If my memory serves me right, i drove the beyers in for about 1-2 weeks. They sound nice from the get go for sure, but driving them in (to whatever you like to listen) makes them better. Just use them and they'll grow into you. Hopefully they'll serve you well as they've done with me.
@Resident Zero wow i was looking all day at these 80 ohms headphones and it's compliance with smartphones and i have Galaxy A52 so you've just given me a straight answer.
@Resident Zero Hi possible to share which model headphones and what ohm you using for the above-mentioned as Im thinking of using it on my Samsung A53 and TCL C835 tv.
This is the best explanation I have seen. The show and tell breakdown helps. It's one thing to know the conceptual differences and most people just explain exactly that which anyone can just google. This was much more valuable. I'm going to ou have check after finishing this if you have a breakdown of Planar Magnetic, i'd be surprised if you did, but that would be amazing. Regardless great video.
When the coil moves, its technically called "Good Vibrations" as written by Amir Quadeer Shakir, aka "MC Spice The Legend", a good friend of Donnie Wahlberg, Mark Wahlberg, and Dan Hartman
I actually bought the dt 770 80 ohm last week! I use them almost singlehandedly for music production, and they definitely need "higher volume" on my laptop to sound good. Also I feel like the bass disappears a little in them. Maybe the 32 ohm would have been better. Wish I would have seen this a week Ago! Great and interesting video anyhow 🙏
It's an old post, but I guess you need a good monitors, try to find "Custom Studio" by Beyerdynamic. They are based on DT 770 but have a much more neutral sound curve plus a bass slider (when closed it's linear and 3 positions of opened to help you hear how something will sound on different systems). The way you wrote this, I guess you're still learning, so be also aware that with 32ohm you might miss some details and for 80ohm and up, forget about laptop/PC onboard and get at least cheap DAC (it'll amplify your sound signal for higher impedance). B: Bass SHOULD be subtle, you're monitoring. If you want a headphones for track mastering, then go for the DT 1990 Pro, just note that they cost a lot more and you need a much better DAC to drive them (250ohm) but they have the best treble for that job, seriously they are so good that even in some popular songs you can hear when mastering wasn't perfect, microphone positioning etc.
@@L0vac @L0vac Lol yeah I was just starting put back then😅 I have the DT 880's rn, 250 ohm. I run them through an audio interface so all good there impedance wise. Nicely balanced cans, however they are a bit too hyped in the treble imo, less hyped than 990's that I also own lol, but still a bit too bright. I have been checking out the 1990's but rn they are a bit too expensive. But interesting about those custom studio ones, I'm intrigued! How well do you think they hold up against the 1990s? :) cheers
@@lando199 Well 1990 are also strong on treble (most studio mastering are) xD Less than 990 for sure, but don't know how it would compare to 880s. Regarding CS/1990 it's hard to compare them since first is closed-back monitoring and latter is open-back mastering. 1990 are not for noisy work surrounding as they will obviously let people arguing for example in. From the sound POV 1990 are of course better with wider soundstage and more "to the point" bass. BUT Custom Studio was about 25% of the 1990s price :S (sure you get a professional bundle with them but it's still a lot of money). I actually have them both at the moment, so if you're interested into something specific, give me a shout. Note that CS stopped manufacturing, so you'd need to get used ones and then new ear pads.
@@L0vac Haha that treble f***s up my highs in my mixes😅 Nah man that's cool, if you want then by all means but I don't think I wanna go through the hassle of finding a pair of good used ones if you get me. On a second note I think I'll wait with considering new phones and start treating my room instead, and use my studio monitors more :P
You do not answer the main question; if I have a headphone amp and I have a very good dac, and I can connect my headphone to either higher or lower voltage or gain, what's gonna sound better; dt770 32 ohm, 80 Ohm, or 250 Ohm, from the exact same model?? This I need to know. Cause if 250 sounds better, I get that, with a headphone amp. If not, I get the 32 ohm, I can use it on my ipod or phone or plain dac, and don't have to bother with a headphone amp. but, this is unfortunately not answered, yet, right?
I did comparison with those three models and the same amp and dac! 250ohm sounds way better! More atack, more separation between instruments less muddy
2:04 You didn't really address the main question/purpose of this video: (for sound quality) why choose high impedance phones over low impedance phones (when using high power equipment) if the latter "will still sound good, it just means that you have to turn (the volume) down so that your ears are not blasted".
So, I am gonna use my headphones for listening to music and playing guitar through audio interface... If I understand correctly, I don't need 80 ohms and 32 ohms would do just fine. Am I right?
@@-adrians In principle yes: interface or dac; although I can tell you that I have a Samsung tablet, with which my 770s 80 ohms works great. I guess you'll have to try.
@@sergiobrinas2452 thank you for the reply. i am thinking mainly for an electric keyboard (roland fp-10) possibly my microsoft surface laptop 3, too? my iphone or ipad mini would not be able to handle however, correct? sorry for so many questions, i am so eager to listen to the soundstage of these headphones at my current equipment’s level but want to make sure i purchase the correct ones :p
I have a question for you guys. For my new digital piano (a Roland HP-704), I am considering to buy Beyerdynamic DT-770 headphones. So far I have understood that, in principle, the 32 Ohms version of this headphone should suffice. But I have also heard that in general the sound on 250 Ohms headphones might be better if you use a headphone amplifier. So what should I do? Just buy the 32 Ohms headphones or buy the 250 Ohms headphones along with a headphone amplifier? (And if so, which headphones amplifier?)
Maarten Ronteltap, I am also planning to use this DT770 specifically for my digital piano (Kawai Es110). I went with the 80 Ohm version. Yes, an amped 250 Ohm version may sound better than a 32 Ohm or 80 Ohm, however, any benefits in sound may not make any difference for use with a digital piano. It depends how you are going to hookup the headphones and for what purpose (for live listening during piano practice or recording/monitoring), because what you hear in either case will be different. Plugging headphones into any of the piano's analog ports (headphone jack or line outs) during live playing/practice may not be as clean a source as plugging into a studio grade mixing interface or external audiophile dac where it is separated from other electronic components. Using the headphones directly into the piano, means the piano's digital signal will be passing through whatever electronics and dac chip is provided by the piano manufacturer, before leaving the piano as an analog sound that you hear through your phones. Going through the piano's onboard electronics, may negate any differences heard between the diff Ohm versions of these headphones, as a piano is probably just as "digitally noisy" as a laptop, cellphone, or tablet. So, first test your pianos analog ports to see if you hear any soft hissing or noise by not playing any keys, and turning the piano volume up. However, if you are plugging your piano into a computer or mixing interface using USB, it keeps the signal clean, bypassing the piano's onboard dac. And then from the computer or USB interface, you'll have the opportunity to use a dac + amp with your headphones and to listen live or to finish mixing/recording the music on the computer before playing it back on a home Hi-Fi system, or portable digital audio player with the headphones. Keeping the original digital signal until the very end when it reaches the dac, amp, and speakers or headphones will give you the most clean sound. So, which version to go with? For live piano piano practice, plug 'n play, where you are just focused on playing and some digital noise or hiss isnt important, go with 32 or 80. If you will be listening critically for recording/mixing, you use Usb outs to a laptop or mixer, work with a daw and virtual/midi instruments, and digital noise bothers you during practice, or you will be listening to pre-recorded music and lossless music files, with an amp, get the 250 Ohm version. If you still cant decide, get the 80 Ohm, it can do either setup and unamped, will still let you upgrade and use an external dac or amp later on. Also, congrats! Roland has some of the best connection options out there for listening/recording, so you have various choices, even bluetooth! Good luck to you!
I'm just burning in a brand new pair of DT 990 Pros (250ohm) and I'm incrediby impressed! Although there are certain parts of the lower end which just aren't there compared to my maybe six year old pair of m40x's. I'm using an Alesis io2 Express USB interface which is fully capable of driving these that I'm aware of. Not really sure how to go about it. (the M40x's have no difference in quality whether in my interface or my motherboard, referencing to a comment about the io2 Express having caps not intended for anything lower than 200 ohms.) edit: tightened the sound up with a slight EQ in VoiceMetre. edit: Removed EQ. So it turns out that my motherboard has a much warmer, fuller sound than my interface. Also it seems that my motherboard's Realtek S1200A _is_ capable of powering 250ohms despite what the internet says.
great video, very informative, explains why I could barely hear using 250ohm headphones while using scarlett solo audio interface Gen 3 which only uses a USB-C for power supply
Which headphones would you recommend to use with a focusrite scarlett 2i2 3rd gen? I made the decission of buying a beyerdynamic dt 770 pro but i am doubting between the 32, 80 and 250 ohms. Thank you!!!
Thank you for your clear explanation. You're really good at explaining; yoir choice of words and the way you articulate them makes this somewhat complex subject for some sounds very easy to digest. Kudos!
nope:) thinner and longer coil wire inside the higher ohm version makes higher density and less space between coils cubic capacity which means better sound.
Actually yes but with more volume you get better and stable dynamics well dosent matter if you listen to CD quality audio but surely u will find a diffrence in HI-Fi Audio files like DSD or even Flac's.
You are a brilliant communicator and teacher. You possess a mastery of your subject and the rare ability to present the important facts in understandable terms. Bravo!
Hello Michael! Congratulations on your channel! The great quality of the videos and the clear information you provide is the differential! I've got a question and wonder if you could help me. I mix using an audio interface (behringer UMC22) on which I plug my headphones on a stereo output of two mono channel (2x P10). Would it be better to use a 250 ohms or 80? Thank you very much!
Very interesting and informative. I really enjoy the part to open the headphone and to explain the physics and engineering of it. The voice is very good too. Thanks.
Minor gripe: the difference between high and low impedance headphones is the *voltage* needed to drive them. The power should be about the same across headphone types.
Yes Sean with a higher voltage amp the current will be lower, however, different headphones do have different power requirements (based on more factors than just impedance) so the overall power does need to change. But I can see that to a more educated viewer, my use of language is a bit too vague! Sorry!
@@inthemix Good explanation. Yes, I was just worried about the conflating of the terms "voltage" and "power" in the video. Otherwise it was a good video as usual 😀
@Blue SPL/mI??? do you mean mW?
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I've been studying electronics a million years ago. A famous basic formula being V = RI → Voltage (Volts), Resistance (Ohms), Intensity (Amperes). So the above mentionned by Sean.
Also P = VI P being Power.
LGTM at first sight.
The shortest 8 minutes of my life. That was really fascinating
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That's what SHE said.. 😁
@@TheDesperateArtist BRUH 😂😂😂
I am always being asked which headphones are best and which impedance (ohm) is best!
In this video, I hope to quickly answer lots of questions about headphones including:
How do headphones work?
What Ohm of headphones do I need?
Which impedance sounds best?
High or Low impedance headphones for Mixing and Mastering?
How do headphones actually work?
What's inside headphones?
Do more ohms sound better?
Can you please help me, my micorphone came with M-Audio Vocal studio Pro II, it was fine when i first purchased it but nowadays whenever i try to record...there is a huge static noise...
And i can't solve it...
hi from Russia
The greatest music channel on Earth is - In The Mix.
Eh mate what microphone you recommend for voice recording vocals for EDM tracks. I understand that having a good voice and quality mic helps reduce the workload.
you should pin your comments at the top of the comment section
I bought the 32 ohm because of this video. I'm very pleased with the quality. Thank you very much for the advice❤🎧
Are they good for Mixing and mastering????
Useful info. I've never looked into the impedance level of headphones I've bought in the past. Thanks!
I agree. I've got good headphones and never checked impedance. I think this boils down to the fact that youtubers with the amount of viewers he gets get paid well and they gotta keep working
@@professorswaggamuffin7572 no? Higher impedence can be a game changer
@@OskarSvan what do you feel the difference is in the sound?
I don't know English.
Which is better for my PC ? 32 or 250 ?
250 ohm have better sound but 250 ohm too much hard for a PC ?
I want to buy a new Over-ear headset. "Sennheiser HD 280 pro (64 ohm)" is good choise for me ?(for music)
You were predestined to be different(Romans 8:29), he who has an ear to hear, let him hear(Mark 4:9).
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insanely useful info. just bought my first 250ohm headphones and wanted to know more about impedance. thanks so much!
Man, even being good at making music, I guess you are even more talented in teaching. Every video I see, I learn af.
I think it's still important to mention that sensitivity also matters a lot. Something like Abyss, Audeze, Hifiman often have low impedance but also low sensitivity so they need much more power to get loud enough.
Because it's nonsense to say that "high impedance heapdhones need more power". Impedance determines the relationship between voltage and current.
How much power you need depends on the sensitivity or efficiency.
Higher sensitivity means you need less power, but it also means that the noise floor of your amp and source needs to be lower .. otherwise you'll hear it.
Higher impedance means you need less current, which at the same power is an EASIER load for an amplifier. On the other hand you need more voltage and therefore gain or turn up the volume more.
Those are planars, not dynamic... completely different technology and different electrical principles involved...
You are literally better than my physics teacher (germany)
you are way less annoying than my physics teacher too (germany)
I have the approval of two Germans, my day is complete! Thanks guys
Third German approving. 👍
@@inthemix I don't even have a physics teacher so i HAVE to come here (still germany tho)
@HRYZN Msc No they come here to teach math and Physics. Mine felt if you were in his class you should know it. Very strict no-nonsense. You had to hope your lab partner knew it or you were F>>>>Ked. I learned how smart he was and I wasn't and. learned more from my partner than him. Peace
this makes a lot of sense. i was interested in buying Beyerdynamic, and had no idea what this meant. this helped a lot, you explained it very well thank you
Nice! I have the 770’s 250 ohm AND I happen to have the iD14!! When I purchased the headphones I wondered if the iD14 would drive it enough but quikly found out it did! Audient interfaces are pretty underated imo.
Best explanation I’ve ever seen on utube great vid and no back ground music.
"I'm gonna take them apart and take a look just for fun"
Guy's like my weird cousin!
@@no-name168 me too and end up my father beat me because i destroy all my toys haha ha
real good video, with extra clear explanations. All with a nice smile, a calm "Zen" voice and no stupid distracting sound or visual effects. Just gettiong down to basics and straight to the point. Thank you so much.
What a perfect demonstration without sounding pretentious or getting too complex. I actually own the DT770s but only chose them because I thought a middle ground would be the safest bet lol. Much credit to you for your clear and pleasant delivery.
dont 770 have too much treble? why cant anyone just make a proper flat sound signature
@@mikelisteral7863 Too much treble? I prefer that over too much bass lol... to each his own... There are flat cans out there, and while they are productive for mastering and such, they're very stale for music listening.
@@alternatingbitmusic stale? you mean accurate. all headphones on earth should be flat. use the eq if you want to mess around with what the artist intended you to hear.
@@mikelisteral7863 well with that logic an $11 pair of Skull Candy ear buds should be just perfect based on what EQ you set... get my point? It's just just flat/accurate, but it's the craftmanship and personal preference. So much of audio quality is perception based on the individual.
@@alternatingbitmusic you like treble? then listen to 70's music on a phone speaker. u have treble. haha
Correction: The reason studios used, and in fact demanded, high impedance phones was that they used so many of them and the easiest solution was just stringing them electrically in parallel. I have many parallel-wired headphone distribution boxes with 10 ohm resistors in series with each output to protect against low impedance multiples.
Bingo! We have a winner. Jay tell him what he's won!
I've just started studying electrical engineering so this was very interesting and easy to follow.
Same, I'm an EE senior student, so it was nice having a video where you know the stuff that's being talked about.
@@legalizemolly2771 i can relate 🤔
@@legalizemolly2771 Circuits I is often one of the hardest classes, just because of the intuition you need to get to understand the material
Computer engineering student here. I'm more drawn to EE though.
I'm not currently studying electric engineering and it was easy to follow for me
Hey, this was an amazing video! Thank you for teaching some of the scientific and technical engineering concepts, I really enjoyed the fact that you disassembled the earcups and showed us the actual driver technology and how the impedance relates to the coil length. Thank you!
you can have headphones that have relatively low impedance, yet are very hard to drive because they are inneficient and have very low sensitivity. like the hifiman he-6se at 50 ohms and 83.5 db. low impedance is not always an indicator that a pair of headphones are going to be easy to drive. sennheiser hd800 have high empedance at 300 ohms but have very high efficiency. much easier to drive than he-6. impedance and sensitivity are equally important parameters to check.
Well exactly I have hifiman he-6se so hard to drive em that's why I am here not always impedence is the matter
Wow!! Thanks for nerding out - I like knowing the "why" and "how" of things and your explanation really helps me both in music and life!!
Very very good video mate, I bought the Beyerdynamics DT 770 Pro 80 Ohm around 4 years ago and I had to dig up and research all of what you explained in the first 5 minutes all by myself, this video would have been a lot of help back then. Love the DT 770 Pro by the way, these headphones are great.
Are you using them on a laptop or a PC? And for what prupose do you use them, music production or mixing? And its 2 years now since you wrote this comment, do you still use them?
Id appreciate an answer if you see this, thanks!
@@andbe If you're using them with a laptop or PC without an amp it's best to probably go with the 32ohm versions. The 80ohms will work with some devices but won't be as loud as the 32ohm would be with that same device unless you also have an amp to power them. BUT the difference might be very minor, and some people might not even be able to tell, or it may be very drastic for you. YMMV
@@SchwettyBawls Hi bro, how will the 32ohm headphone behave with dj controllers , will it be too loud ?
And I don't want to spend on an amp so is it fine or an amp with a 80 ohm version is a real game changer in terms of sound output quality?
You can tell me as a beginner producers perspective. Thanks
@@SchwettyBawls I'm running my DT 770 Pro 250 Ohm from the headphone jack on my PC. They sound great with the output level set at 30%.
@@LarcR Nice! It may work well with some setups and some people. But the higher ohm version will be quieter for other people depending on their setup and their level of hearing loss.
Jesus Christ do you make a script and read it out or memorise it ? Not one stutter , not one word wasted ,I envy your speaking skills so much
Subbed for sure , thank you so much for this
Muhammed! Why do you curse the name of one you do not believe!
I loved the disassembly part! I just finished an electromagnetism course, so it was awesome to see this application.
I wish they showed me stuff like this when I was studying Electronics on my course!
This is SUCH a great video. Never thought I'd be proud of studying physics back in high school so much 🥰
Higher impedance generally means higher dynamic range and that's about it. Of course many other things can result from that, like less distortion, less easier induction of strain electrical fields (less susceptibility to interference)... etc. But there are so many other variables that not all these can be true at the same time.
The depth you go into this video, is godly! Appreciate the knowledge!
Thanks man, you helped make my decision on my new headphone purchase. Almost bought a 250ohm headphone without really knowing what I was doing, you explained it perfectly.
SUPER easy explanation. SUPER easy to follow along. I didn't have physics in HS, didn't take physics in college because I haven't gone to college (yet) so basically, i'm what I would consider self-taught. Your vids are incredible man! Really awesome stuff! Thank you for your content dude!
Except he’s mostly wrong or oversimplifying.
Some good info but you only said one vague sentence about the possible sound quality difference between different impedance headphones of the same brand. So I’m still uninformed as to whether I should go for 32, 80 or 250 ohm dt770s for home studio use.
Same here. Hm.
I got to the end of the video, but I still don't know which one to go for, too hmmm
honestly 80 ohm is your best bet, their affordable. And as well as a nice sounding middle ground
It's all about your usage. If you have a dedicated amp and dac, go for the 250. If you will mostly use it your phone or laptop go with the 32 or 80 ohm. There's no a huge difference in sound quality. If you use the 250ohm on a phone it will sound good too but you won't be to turn it up higher. The volume might be too low for your taste.
@@felixf4378 friend do you know if in Scarlett Solo 3 Gen a 32ohms fone Works good? I saw they recomend 80 ohms or more ..
I love it when you answered the question right away and then explaining it later with more details, not the reverse
You seem to be confusing power with voltage. Low impedance headphones need less voltage and more current to drive them; high impedance headphones need less current and more voltage to drive them. Power is the product of voltage and current; so for a constant power current and voltage are traded against each other. Smartphones do not, generally, have the voltage swing to drive higher impedance headphones but do have the current capability; pro and prosumer amplifiers can have a much higher voltage rail to play with and will have no problem providing the much greater voltages required for higher impedance headphones. Lower impedance headphones use thicker wire with fewer turns (therefore greater current at lower potential) in the drive unit to create their magnetic field. High impedance headphones use thinner wire with more turns (less current at greater potential). For the Beyerdynamic DT770 all impedances have the same sensitivity due the variation of wire diameter vs. length as described above.
@@robjobse8860 None. I think higher impedance headphones are a legacy back to a time when headphones were used with amplifier's headphone sockets; and of course, studio gear. I've read there are audible differences between Beyer's DT770 series, but that may be just voicing.
Let's not forget the 'damping' factor, higher impedances allow for a better damping factor = more control on the actual push/pull of the diaphragms = more definition and a more 'precise' sculpting of the soundwaves, (at a higher voltage of course, otherwise it's worse than low impedance headphones)
@@robjobse8860 Nothing at all unless you have an amplifier designed for them
@@davidgriffin79 Some (especially older) amps sound shit unless driven pretty much maxed out - that's where 250 ohm headphones are useful.
It was my understanding 600ohm have less mass of copper which translates to more accurate and responsive diaphram movement. I have the 600 ohm version of DT880 and every review I saw said the 600ohm was better than the 250 which was close and the 80 ohm version which was noticeably inferior. I think the main reason we dont see 600ohm much anymore is because of the equipment we are plugging them into now not because 600ohm is old fashioned technology.
This is such a fantastic video. Your explanations are so clear and to the point. Thanks!
This is informative. I’ve been using the Beyerdynamic DT770 32 ohm headphones for over three years and it’s been great for me, especially since I am hard of hearing; sometimes I wear them with my hearing aids, sometimes not. They are good when I do music production too. Now I know more, so thank you!
Do you need to buy an external microphone for chatting or can you chat online with only the headset?
@@STARK0181if u want to talk to people online then yes u need an external mic
Wonderful explanation, you got yourself a new subscriber. I love german approach,straight to the point,no bsht. Technical 100% but so easy to understand, many people know for themselves but few have teaching skills...
Kat
Bucharest Romania
Informative with a soothing, calm and reassuring delivery I could listen to all day. You obviously love what you do and it shows.
i couldn't agree more
Thank for this. The hair dryer and 'pinch and hold' trick you demoed for getting on the cushions was a life-saver.
great choice to upload this after i got my headphones
Oh no! What did you get?
i think 55 ohm headphones, it’s AKG K240 Studio Headphones
G. H i just ordered a pair of those, but the MKii version. I think they’re a solid budget buy. The frequency response graph is good. As said in one of the videos on this great channel, there’s no such a thing as “flat headphones” but you can find some of them close to that, get to know them is the best bet.
G. H omfg same happened to me 😂 i got the dt 990’s pro
@@turkishultranationalist Hi.
Could You give me a help, please.
I bought a pair of Dt 990 250 ohms and connected to scarlett 4in4 3rd gen and they are playing so quiet.
There is something that I can do to make it right or better send them back and get 80 ohms?
Thank You
I just got the DT-990 Pro 250 Ohm open back for mixing and mastering in my studio using a separate headphone amp which has 4 headphone outputs. There’s plenty of volume and very precise. As when mixing and mastering you don’t want the headphones to falsely boost anything giving you a false impression of what the finished production will sound like. It needs to sound good when the end user listens on their chosen music device. I use a pair of 32 Ohm DT-100s for recording vocals as they are closed and do not leak sound into the vocal mic. My two Beyer Dynamic go to head phones for two different tasks. Finally a pair of Presonus E-5 monitors are ideal for my small home recording studio.
I use the 770 Pros 32Ω through a simple Dac connected to my computer and it sounds amazing. Works reasonably well with my phone as well.
Now a days phones have better internal audio cards compared to pc so ironic lol.
I love the way this guys explains everything, the calm, the way he speaks is very good for people who English isn’t 1st language (for example me, I’m Mexican) and I can understand everything… and not forget his wisdom. Thanks!
Recently purchased the Beyerdynamic DT-990 PRO and it was the best decision ever. Those work so well for producing, mixing and mastering for me. I'm using them on an Audient iD4 and the 250 Ohm are no issue at all (i was a bit worried at first, which is why i watched this video again). Volume is more than enough, turning it fully up would still blow your ears quickly i'd say.^^ Even on the poor headphone amp of my Samsung S9 there is still a decent volume possible. However it feels that some clarity/resolution gets lost in that case.
Id4 mark 1 or mk2?
@@DarkoP9.13 I've been using the MK1 and still happy with it. Can't say anything about MK2.
Thank you! This video is the best explanation of the difference between low & high impedance headphones. I really appreciate your full yet succinct explanation. BIG help!
Great video, I fully understand everything you have said. Glad I found it!
why you’re such a great channel is because EVERY sentence you say has substance that teaches me something. most other channels just blabber on for 80% of the video with only 20% real substance
I have the Beyerdynamic dt 990 pro 250 ohm and I use them for mixing music and on my portable devices and phone around the house and they sound EXCELLENT. I compared them to a lot of studio monitor headphones others and there were some that sounded about the same but I loved these due to the sound quality, the soft pads, you can replace every part if anything breaks and the classic old school look. You wont be disappointed with these headphones.
You can’t replace the wires if they break. My right cup stopped producing sound after 3 months.
What audio interface or amp did you use
hi,just ordered the dt 240 pro headphones just for listening to my music on my laptop, i always use a headphone amplifier with other headphones ive used in the past, im looking forward to see how they perform and sound either with or without the amp, thanks for the review it all makes sense now thanks to your in depth review.
Two more points to add to the benefits of higher impedance headphones: 1. because they need more voltage to produce the same volume, you get a higher Signal to Noise ratio (small voltage noise from the electronics). 2. the ratio between the headphone impedance and the cable resistance is higher, so more of the audio energy is converted to sound, as opposed to dissipated on the cable.
1. Nope. These days headphone amps don't produce audible noise so this is not a factor. SNR of headphone output into any impedance is between -90...-140dB. There's no noise in headphones.
2. At 32+ ohms this value would be so small that this doesn't matter either unless the connection is broken in some way, for example from the plug not sitting tight in the socket.
Impedance variation in headphones is a legacy phenomena. Old pro and home stereo interfaces used to have sketchy outputs so the headphones had to match impedance to them. Today it's a thing of the past unless you like vintage audio.
@@marcinkoscielny1481 1. wrong. noise is always a factor in SNR. doesn't matter how low it is. 2. wrong again.
@@MrGuto 1. This doesn't make any sense. I made a completely different point.
2. k
@@marcinkoscielny1481now you both kiss
When Im scrolling for videos on products to purchase very rarely do I comment. Most times I find myself with a long list of tabs filled with people who's gibberish and intro I have to skip through to get to the information I need. Never have I skipped and seen someone take apart the product entirely, this intrigued me, "this guy has more than retail wisdom!" I say to myself I went back and watch your video entirely and might I say Thank you, Very informative on many different levels.
How dare you accidentally teach me something cool. I love you.
Perfect! I was searching for a straight answer on what kind of impedance headphones would suit my interface. Thanks so much, this was really useful
Thank you SO much for this video, you literally explained everything I wanted to know and more!
Amazing video I learned more from your video on what a term means and how it works than I did watching 8 different videos from 8 different channels! Awesome stuff! Please make more videos like this!!
Great explanation. I owned the 80 ohms BD DT770 Pro for years and there’s simply no turning back to any other pair of headphones for me.
@@Dubufy Wondering the same thing here
Yes you can definitely use the 80 ohm in pretty much every occasion, whether it being plugged straight into several devices or with the use of amps. The sound quality still remains superb. But…
The 80 Ohm is not supposed to be used for normal
studio usage or hifi-amps (here you should use the 250 ohm)
On the opposite, the 80 ohms also isn’t perfectly suitable for smartphones or devices powered by USB. (Here you should use the 32 ohm instead, because of a too low volume levels).
@@Dubufy You should look for people using the same audio interface/output device that you are using. I use the 770 pro 250ohm and I don´t need a amp(Steinberg Ur22C/44C, Line UX2, tested), my drum module didn´t work with the 250ohm but with other 80ohm´s(Roland TD-9).
@Alexander Deris I’d go for the 250 ohm
Absolutely fantastic video. So appreciated the actual headphone disassembly and explanation. I learned a lot!
I have to say, you are a gifted teacher my friend: clear, to the point, and easy to understand. Thank you!
oh gosh, thank you so much for clarifying this!
I had this question coming up in my head, too. So I asked Beyerdynamic directly. Specifically regarding the DT-770 and its three variants.
Low impedance: thicker wire for the coil, makes it easier for the current/electrons to flow through that wire -> low resistance/impedance.
High impedance: lighter wire, but the electrons have a harder time to travel through that "narrow hose"
Having a thicker wire makes the coil heavier and less reactive, MEANING moving a bit slower compared to a lighter coil. So the the 32-Ohms-version has less top end, compared to the 80- or 250-Ohms-variant.
I used and use all three versions here in a professional environment (broadcast). Being the convinced Beyerdynamic user that I am, my latest buy was a bunch of 32-Ohms DT-700 Pros. I do regret that buy! These cans sound too compressed and they're a tad too much on the dull side for my taste. But it was too late to return them, so I use them in a less exposed setting. When choosing headphones, in our field, besides the sound, other aspects come into play, too. For instance when being used by multiple persons it's good when you can clean the cushions more easily. Or, Beyerdynamic offers every single part as replacement parts, for decades and all models. They're made in Germany and they are a very solid company. The DT-770 Pros are built very sturdy, too.
That being said, I can really recommend the 250-Ohms-version for a broad variety of use cases. IF you have weak headphone amps such as in mobile phones, I'd give the 80-Ohms-version a try or switch to maybe a Sennheiser HD-25 or an Audio-Technica ATH-M50x for that.
I have audient ID14 and RODE NT1-A. I have to use Phantom Power to be able to use the RODE NT1-A microphone. Should I get 250ohm Beyerdynamic headphones? Can Audient ID14 run both headphones and microphone at the same time?
Please help me out cause I'm definitely not an expert when it comes to ohms and all that things with the voltage and power. 🙏🏻
I've been looking at the 80 ohm to use with a Mac mini M1. Think I may get those based on what you've said here. Thanks.
Thank you, this makes a lot of sense!
(H. Inc) "A thicker wire makes the coil less reactive...So the 32 Ohm version has less top end than the 80 or 250 Ohm." -Are you sure about this? I think you mean the 32 Ohm has more top end than the 80 or 250 (due to thinner wires and more reactive coil.).
I'm not sure, since these will be me first 80 Ohm headphones, but also, others have said the the opposite -meaning higher impedance gives more open soundstage, etc. Hard to know without personally A/B-ing them, i would think, due to all the variables in an audio chain and subjective ears.
@@wolfy9477, the Audient will have plenty of power to drive both. I have an ID 14 myself and use a phantom powered mic and the 250 ohm Beyers with no problems at all. FWIW, I sold my 80 ohm Beyers once I got the 250 ohm model. The 80 is a bit bass heavy and muddy sounding compared to the 250.
You are desiring this in such a great way - thanks so much!
Yo, this video is so good that Beyerdynamic should use it.
Oh wait, they do lmao that's why I came! Props for making such good content.
Great show ! I love the disassembly video much more than unboxing videos ! You are the trendsetter ! And your explanations are very good !
This was great! I've been looking for recording headphones for a while, and was trying to understand Ohm so you helped a lot! I'm actually getting the mid level ones you showed in the video from beyerdynamic. Thank you!
Congrats on making Beyerdynamic's website! Very happy for you, did a terrific job and deserve it.
The higher impedance version has less mass in the coil. Lower moving mass of the driver makes it more responsive to the electrical signal, the jargon term is a 'faster' driver. This is why the higher impedance versions of otherwise similar headphones sound better (given sufficient amplification).
This just blew my mind... There's an electromagnetic field, different metals, acoustics of these coming together, and of course art and taste. Together a complicated craft rewarded with beautiful music... Imagine building these!!!
I've had the DT 770 pro for about 4-5 years now and I absolutely love them! Cannot recommend them enough. I use them for listening to music, (really, really amateur level) music production and gaming and I've never been left wanting more.
are you using an amp?
I have it too from last 2 years ago and i love it, just i've broken up my 770's and i decided to change because some comments telling the 990 PRO are overall better, they all are complete wrong, the 770's is a lot more inmersive in gaming and soundstage.
@@ChikoNJackoTV I am, but tbh they work fine without the extra power!
Hey, I know I'm like 2 years late, but how many ohms were you using?
@@ProdCola 80 ohms :) Still using the same headset btw, if you get one it's a good investment.
wow you answered my question perfectly and then even disassembled the headphones to show how it worked. thank you
Very informative and straight to the point, no ad bullshit like linus smelly feet. You rock man keep it up!
great video, very informative and finally I get a quite good understanding of what ohm is and how it actually works, thank you
In case this helps anyone, I used the audiotechnica M50's for a couple years and was never a huge fan of the sound, but that it must've just been my ears because everyone raves about them. I recently saw this video and switched to the Beyerdynamics DT770's and my goodness, they're amazing! Incredible headphones for mixing and just listening to music. You can hear so clearly where each element of the song is in the stereo field. Bass is great, way better than the AT M50's in my opinion.
Athm50 are only good for tracking imho, not for mixing. Edit: typo
What audio interface or amp did you use
Bros contents too sick! And he explains everything so well. 👏🏽
For maximum power transfer, it is best to match output and load impedances (or at least come as close as possible).
I've been using the DT770 80 ohm ones for 5 years now, and they've been hands down the best headphones i've ever had. The sound is so good, they're comfortable to wear for a full day and they last incredibly well. The plastics on the have cracked a bit few years ago already, but with no downside to usage and they're still tough. I'd buy another pair in a heart beat.
Hi , is it work with mobile phone? The volume is ok?
Absolutely! I've used them with mobiles, audio recorders and pc's and it works great on all of the them. I often listen to metal / rock, so i tend to have the volume higher than lower :)
But, let me say that i use my beyers on pc mostly. They are not really the most travel friendly, so for travel / on-the-go i'd choose something smaller and lighter. I take them to bedroom and lay down sometimes, or just mess around in the house (cleaning etc.). Or hop into a bus and they're fine there too, but that's about it outside of the house. They just take that much room and can't be folded (which makes them rock solid). But if you're fine with that, cool.
Little nice quality headphone amp is worthy considering too. It adds to the setup, and for the most part it's too much of a hassle for me (but, i haven't rigged it properly to my audio player, let's say with rubber bands), but when i use it it's nice! More volume (better volume control too), but more importantly even better sound. Through a headphone amp the music just sounds better, all-around. But, not in any huge margin. Typically i go without. But if you get one (let's say used) for a good price, give it a try? Up to you. Would be even better for a mobile, especially some very slim type.
If my memory serves me right, i drove the beyers in for about 1-2 weeks. They sound nice from the get go for sure, but driving them in (to whatever you like to listen) makes them better. Just use them and they'll grow into you. Hopefully they'll serve you well as they've done with me.
@@villemononen5303 thanks a lot
@Resident Zero wow i was looking all day at these 80 ohms headphones and it's compliance with smartphones and i have Galaxy A52 so you've just given me a straight answer.
@Resident Zero Hi possible to share which model headphones and what ohm you using for the above-mentioned as Im thinking of using it on my Samsung A53 and TCL C835 tv.
Just quickly wanted to say thank you for all of your tutorials and explanations. You did an amazing job and helped me with a lot of things!
Also, low impedance start hissing high power amps
This is the best explanation I have seen. The show and tell breakdown helps. It's one thing to know the conceptual differences and most people just explain exactly that which anyone can just google. This was much more valuable. I'm going to ou have check after finishing this if you have a breakdown of Planar Magnetic, i'd be surprised if you did, but that would be amazing. Regardless great video.
When the coil moves, its technically called "Good Vibrations" as written by Amir Quadeer Shakir, aka "MC Spice The Legend", a good friend of Donnie Wahlberg, Mark Wahlberg, and Dan Hartman
man i cannot understate how useful your channel is
I actually bought the dt 770 80 ohm last week! I use them almost singlehandedly for music production, and they definitely need "higher volume" on my laptop to sound good. Also I feel like the bass disappears a little in them. Maybe the 32 ohm would have been better. Wish I would have seen this a week Ago! Great and interesting video anyhow 🙏
It's an old post, but I guess you need a good monitors, try to find "Custom Studio" by Beyerdynamic. They are based on DT 770 but have a much more neutral sound curve plus a bass slider (when closed it's linear and 3 positions of opened to help you hear how something will sound on different systems). The way you wrote this, I guess you're still learning, so be also aware that with 32ohm you might miss some details and for 80ohm and up, forget about laptop/PC onboard and get at least cheap DAC (it'll amplify your sound signal for higher impedance).
B: Bass SHOULD be subtle, you're monitoring. If you want a headphones for track mastering, then go for the DT 1990 Pro, just note that they cost a lot more and you need a much better DAC to drive them (250ohm) but they have the best treble for that job, seriously they are so good that even in some popular songs you can hear when mastering wasn't perfect, microphone positioning etc.
@@L0vac @L0vac Lol yeah I was just starting put back then😅 I have the DT 880's rn, 250 ohm. I run them through an audio interface so all good there impedance wise. Nicely balanced cans, however they are a bit too hyped in the treble imo, less hyped than 990's that I also own lol, but still a bit too bright.
I have been checking out the 1990's but rn they are a bit too expensive. But interesting about those custom studio ones, I'm intrigued! How well do you think they hold up against the 1990s? :) cheers
@@lando199 Well 1990 are also strong on treble (most studio mastering are) xD Less than 990 for sure, but don't know how it would compare to 880s.
Regarding CS/1990 it's hard to compare them since first is closed-back monitoring and latter is open-back mastering. 1990 are not for noisy work surrounding as they will obviously let people arguing for example in. From the sound POV 1990 are of course better with wider soundstage and more "to the point" bass. BUT Custom Studio was about 25% of the 1990s price :S (sure you get a professional bundle with them but it's still a lot of money). I actually have them both at the moment, so if you're interested into something specific, give me a shout.
Note that CS stopped manufacturing, so you'd need to get used ones and then new ear pads.
@@L0vac Haha that treble f***s up my highs in my mixes😅 Nah man that's cool, if you want then by all means but I don't think I wanna go through the hassle of finding a pair of good used ones if you get me. On a second note I think I'll wait with considering new phones and start treating my room instead, and use my studio monitors more :P
I bought these after watching your vid and they are better than my monitors so quite impressed, cheer for giving them a shout out
"Tons more coils" would make rather heavy headphones...
A few tonnes heavier I suppose!
Its called being a man
@@Sc2God724 it's called not getting the joke...
@@hakonsoreide that is the joke..
@@Sc2God724 I think the joke is probably getting too meta by now ... =P
cool and educating video! the visual aids used were fantastic. really put everything into perspective for me. Thanks!
You do not answer the main question; if I have a headphone amp and I have a very good dac, and I can connect my headphone to either higher or lower voltage or gain, what's gonna sound better; dt770 32 ohm, 80 Ohm, or 250 Ohm, from the exact same model?? This I need to know. Cause if 250 sounds better, I get that, with a headphone amp. If not, I get the 32 ohm, I can use it on my ipod or phone or plain dac, and don't have to bother with a headphone amp. but, this is unfortunately not answered, yet, right?
250 sounds better to some. I do answer it in the video
I did comparison with those three models and the same amp and dac! 250ohm sounds way better! More atack, more separation between instruments less muddy
By far the best explaining video i have seen for a long time... thx for sharing.
2:04 You didn't really address the main question/purpose of this video: (for sound quality) why choose high impedance phones over low impedance phones (when using high power equipment) if the latter "will still sound good, it just means that you have to turn (the volume) down so that your ears are not blasted".
No technical knowledge - thank you for a clear and concise explanation. Will help me choose more suitable headphones. Thank you
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Can u apply this thing to wife or girlfriend too?
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So, I am gonna use my headphones for listening to music and playing guitar through audio interface... If I understand correctly, I don't need 80 ohms and 32 ohms would do just fine. Am I right?
(9 months later) yes!
@@sergiobrinas2452 80 ohm version would require an interface?
@@-adrians In principle yes: interface or dac; although I can tell you that I have a Samsung tablet, with which my 770s 80 ohms works great. I guess you'll have to try.
@@sergiobrinas2452 thank you for the reply. i am thinking mainly for an electric keyboard (roland fp-10) possibly my microsoft surface laptop 3, too? my iphone or ipad mini would not be able to handle however, correct? sorry for so many questions, i am so eager to listen to the soundstage of these headphones at my current equipment’s level but want to make sure i purchase the correct ones :p
@@-adrians In your case, I would buy the 32 ohms version; you will hear it just as well and you won't have to worry about the power.
Great video. I knew enough about speakers but taking apart headphone speakers answered a lot of questions I had.
I have a question for you guys. For my new digital piano (a Roland HP-704), I am considering to buy Beyerdynamic DT-770 headphones. So far I have understood that, in principle, the 32 Ohms version of this headphone should suffice. But I have also heard that in general the sound on 250 Ohms headphones might be better if you use a headphone amplifier. So what should I do? Just buy the 32 Ohms headphones or buy the 250 Ohms headphones along with a headphone amplifier? (And if so, which headphones amplifier?)
Maarten Ronteltap, I am also planning to use this DT770 specifically for my digital piano (Kawai Es110). I went with the 80 Ohm version. Yes, an amped 250 Ohm version may sound better than a 32 Ohm or 80 Ohm, however, any benefits in sound may not make any difference for use with a digital piano. It depends how you are going to hookup the headphones and for what purpose (for live listening during piano practice or recording/monitoring), because what you hear in either case will be different.
Plugging headphones into any of the piano's analog ports (headphone jack or line outs) during live playing/practice may not be as clean a source as plugging into a studio grade mixing interface or external audiophile dac where it is separated from other electronic components.
Using the headphones directly into the piano, means the piano's digital signal will be passing through whatever electronics and dac chip is provided by the piano manufacturer, before leaving the piano as an analog sound that you hear through your phones. Going through the piano's onboard electronics, may negate any differences heard between the diff Ohm versions of these headphones, as a piano is probably just as "digitally noisy" as a laptop, cellphone, or tablet. So, first test your pianos analog ports to see if you hear any soft hissing or noise by not playing any keys, and turning the piano volume up.
However, if you are plugging your piano into a computer or mixing interface using USB, it keeps the signal clean, bypassing the piano's onboard dac. And then from the computer or USB interface, you'll have the opportunity to use a dac + amp with your headphones and to listen live or to finish mixing/recording the music on the computer before playing it back on a home Hi-Fi system, or portable digital audio player with the headphones. Keeping the original digital signal until the very end when it reaches the dac, amp, and speakers or headphones will give you the most clean sound.
So, which version to go with? For live piano piano practice, plug 'n play, where you are just focused on playing and some digital noise or hiss isnt important, go with 32 or 80.
If you will be listening critically for recording/mixing, you use Usb outs to a laptop or mixer, work with a daw and virtual/midi instruments, and digital noise bothers you during practice, or you will be listening to pre-recorded music and lossless music files, with an amp, get the 250 Ohm version.
If you still cant decide, get the 80 Ohm, it can do either setup and unamped, will still let you upgrade and use an external dac or amp later on.
Also, congrats! Roland has some of the best connection options out there for listening/recording, so you have various choices, even bluetooth! Good luck to you!
I'm just burning in a brand new pair of DT 990 Pros (250ohm) and I'm incrediby impressed! Although there are certain parts of the lower end which just aren't there compared to my maybe six year old pair of m40x's. I'm using an Alesis io2 Express USB interface which is fully capable of driving these that I'm aware of. Not really sure how to go about it. (the M40x's have no difference in quality whether in my interface or my motherboard, referencing to a comment about the io2 Express having caps not intended for anything lower than 200 ohms.)
edit: tightened the sound up with a slight EQ in VoiceMetre.
edit: Removed EQ. So it turns out that my motherboard has a much warmer, fuller sound than my interface. Also it seems that my motherboard's Realtek S1200A _is_ capable of powering 250ohms despite what the internet says.
great video, very informative, explains why I could barely hear using 250ohm headphones while using scarlett solo audio interface Gen 3 which only uses a USB-C for power supply
Which headphones would you recommend to use with a focusrite scarlett 2i2 3rd gen? I made the decission of buying a beyerdynamic dt 770 pro but i am doubting between the 32, 80 and 250 ohms. Thank you!!!
im using focusrite scarlett 1st gen with 770 pro 80 ohms, they work great with it.
@@maxolsen8239 do you know if It Works good if a 32 ohms earfone?
Very good explanation! After 2 or 3 other sites, I now feel like I understand impedance. You are a well spoken teacher. Thank you.
Simple but very useful 👍 But one question remains unanswered: which impedance messes up your hair most? 😜
Thank you for your clear explanation. You're really good at explaining; yoir choice of words and the way you articulate them makes this somewhat complex subject for some sounds very easy to digest. Kudos!
so the 32ohm sounds almost exactly like the 80ohm no sound difference ,the only difference is in the volume right?
Would love to know exactly this as well
nope:) thinner and longer coil wire inside the higher ohm version makes higher density and less space between coils cubic capacity which means better sound.
Actually yes but with more volume you get better and stable dynamics well dosent matter if you listen to CD quality audio but surely u will find a diffrence in HI-Fi Audio files like DSD or even Flac's.
You are a brilliant communicator and teacher. You possess a mastery of your subject and the rare ability to present the important facts in understandable terms. Bravo!
Hello Michael! Congratulations on your channel! The great quality of the videos and the clear information you provide is the differential! I've got a question and wonder if you could help me. I mix using an audio interface (behringer UMC22) on which I plug my headphones on a stereo output of two mono channel (2x P10). Would it be better to use a 250 ohms or 80? Thank you very much!
hey i have the same question rn haha, what did you chose? I dont know if i need the 250 or the 80 ohms.. I have the behringer UM2
Very interesting and informative. I really enjoy the part to open the headphone and to explain the physics and engineering of it. The voice is very good too. Thanks.