I just wanna know how rhaegar explained to lyanna on how he needed to cheat on his wife with a 15 year old and have a baby with her to basically save the world from monsters wielding swords made from ice
She was a wild child promised to a man that disgusted her with his drunken sleeping around and then met a much better looking man that played music that made her cry with it's beauty and he was the prince I doubt telling him no was really an option even if he hadn't already won her over.
She did it without any power from the old gods too. Absolute boss of a human being. She smoked for 100 years too. From when she was 18 to 118 she smoked everyday
Bloodraven was playing the game with both all the answers of both past and present and the ability to subtly change outcomes he doesn’t likes, and that not even mentioning his opinion of himself has gotten to the point that he knows what best for the realm even if it causes untold amounts of misery to thousands so long as he wins. His half-brother BitterSteel accused him of being a witch for the usage of magic and as his life went on he prove him right and he turn to be far worse than what he could possibly imagined.
14:17 Not to mention skin changing into a human is extremely traumatic. Even Hodor is able to recognize when Bran tries to warg him. Maekar would definitely remember something going wrong if Bloodraven warned into him.
As villainous as Bloodraven is, I don't really see Bran as being "trained" by him, more groomed, possibly for body snatching, or some other nefarious purpose he needs Bran for. I don't think he's the type to pass the torch. He wants to be in control, forever. Bran is a means to an end.
@@OGseoulite no, it isn't. Grooming Bran in order to snatch his body is pretty different from training Bran to better understand and control his powers.
Who is the villain and who is the hero is a matter of perspective. Blood Raven did not aspire for the throne, he killed his brother but his brother was trying to take over the realm illegally, so that means he was also loyal to the crown, in the long run he fought against the night King and trained Bran to fight against the night King. So we may not like his methods but what he did he did for the good of the realm
My God...this was incredible writing on George R.R. Martin's part. It's one thing to be well-researched in history in order to write this series, but this writing is on another level entirely.
@@philippeblais8594 Maybe Ser Jorah will regain his honor as a knight and reclaim his family's ancestral sword, and at some point Bran and/or Bloodraven will bestow dark sister upon Jon after he learns his true lineage. How it would actually happen is beyond me, but it's fun to think about. We know Bloodraven took the sword with him, so he must have it laid by. Unless Blackfyre makes an appearance, this seems the most likely possibility. George will probably surprise us all though.
I think we’re gonna get some of our answers in the Jon Snow show. I think Jon is gonna discover Dark Sister in Bloodraven’s cave in the far North. Arya will discover the prophecy on the dagger and return it to Jon. Somewhere along the way, she will lose or break Needle. So Jon being the coolest big brother in the show/books will replace his favorite sister’s first gift from him with a new Valyrian steel sword that’s aptly named Dark Sister. Arya is meant to wield that sword. Plus it’s not a great sword or bastard blade. Just a standard long sword (smaller than the others). Perfect for Arya.
@@lordsmoke317 In the books I think Bran and Meera are going to take Dark Sister when they leave the Three Eyed Crow’s cave and either give it to Jon or Dany. The Golden Company probably posses Blackfyre and have given it to Aegon VI, further proving his supposed legitimacy to the rest of Westeros and deposing the Lannister-Baratheons. Something will go wrong though and Jon will probably end up with Blackfyre, but it’s unclear.
It makes sense that Aegon told Torrhen: the Targaryens never meddled with the North, though the North always remained loyal to House Targaryen. Aegon knew Torrhen and the Starks were the first line of defence against the Others. Note that Jaehaerys and Alysanne were the ones who reinforced, supported and provided for the Night’s Watch as something more than a dumping-ground for younger sons and criminals.
It’s interesting how Bloodraven was the one called kinslayer when it was Daemon Blackfyre, who started the rebellion that would’ve ended in the death of at least one of his brothers. Had Daemon won the war would he receive the same monicker?
@@rear9259 For Jaime propably because everyone in the crownlands hated the Lannisters at that point because of the sack and that the 'crime' was severe, since he broke the Kingsguard oath. So he was an Oathbreaker and a Kingslayer, two crimes which are normally met with hard punishments in westeros. He was lucky that Tywin was there with his army that was NOT exhausted. As for Bloodraven, since there were speculations that he used magic and that he was a skinchanger, the faith potenially spread the rumor that he is a dishonorable piece of **** and a kinslayer.
Bloodraven wasn't liked by many, to put it mildly. When people dislike you, they'll find any way to sully your reputation and make others see you for the villain they think you are. Bloodraven was also hand of the king, a role closely related to unfettered executive power (especially with hands-off king like Jaerhys), which people tend to hold resentment towards, and he was also master of whisperers, a role for shady and untrustworthy people.
I think Alys Rivers (House Strong) is the green seer before Bloodraven and his grandmother, she gives birth to Aemon's child who later marries into House Blackwood after the events of FB II and gives birth to Melissa Blackwood (Brynden's mother) it seems the green sight power skips a generation and then lands on Brynden Rivers to "continue" the Children Of The Forest mission.
Given how Bran Stark turns out, I feel like Bloodraven left his responsibility to a straight-up creep. Also, Jon Snow was meant to kill Daenarys. But not at King's Landing, after she had gone insane, and killed thousands of people for no good reason. Rather, he was supposed to kill her as the only means to stop The Long Winter from coming again, during the fight with the Wight Walkers. But the show, as we all know now, was completely bastardized by two lazy dingos, who just wanted to move on to other creative things rather than end the show the way that it was supposed to end. They could have easily dedicated 2 or 3 more seasons to the "War of Winter" plotline, but they didn't care. They had George RR Martin's outline for how the books would end, and basically took the laziest possible route to writing out that conclusion. George RR Martin, I think, realizes this mistake, and is desperately trying to fix his books, so that they don't end up the same way that the show did, because he's seen how the fans reacted to the show. That's why I think "The Winds of Winter" is taking forever to get to us.
They could definitely have used more seasons. I don't think there needs to be any extenuating factors for the book to take 12 years though - the current draft is longer than the whole lord of the rings trilogy. It took Tolkien 11 years to write that. Good work takes time, especially when it's this complicated!
I don't think George RR Martin would give up on his creative vision just because the fans didn't like it. He's rich now and has 'Fuck You' money😂 Also if you read any of his previous books you'd see that King Bran is not an unlikely endgame. He has a thing for Hive-Minds taking over and that is what Bran would be, the Hive-Mind of the Children of the Forest.
When you said Jon was supposed to kill Dany not in king's landing for useless reasons but while the fight with white walkers takes place. what did you mean? Why would Jon kill the azor ahai? Isn't she going to defeat walkers? How would her death positively influence the prevention of another long night? Please explain
I had always believed since show ended in that horrible way that if it was George RR Martin’s intention for bran to be on the throne, it would not be bran it would be blood Raven worging through bran
I have always thought it was about bran and jon since the first chapter is from bran pov talking about jon. Even the show ending while shitty gave us a scene with jon a Targaryen bending his knee to a stark opposite of what happened 300 years earlier. Even the prophecy of azhor ahai and the prince that was promised tells of a man who came to westeros from a distant land and helped defeat the darkness. This man could be a Targaryen ancestor who together with Brandon stark the builder must have pushed back the white walkers and their master.
I think Bloodraven loved Daemon Blackfyre but they chose to fight for different sides. He said he had a brother he loved a brother he hated and a woman he desired. They must have loved each other as brothers but duty is the death of love. And then we got Bittersteel and Shiera probably adding conflict between them
It really could go either way between Daemon and Daeron. We know that Daeron got along well with Bloodraven's mother, so that does support Daeron and Bloodraven being close. But I do love the idea that it was Daemon in particular who Bloodraven loved, but just couldn't support his rebellion. It would really make for a great series on HBO.
@@Geralds2cents Another thing to consider is that Daeron was about 20 years older than Brynden, making him more like a father figure that he desperately needed (since Aegon IV was a doofus). Also, Bloodraven seemed super eager to kill Daemon and three of his sons, and his entire Blackfyre family, so there just doesn't seem like there could be a loving relationship there. Unless they used to be close, and then had a falling out. I'd love if George ever confirmed this.
@@CrusaderChris it makes sense that he would look to Daeron as a father figure, that's probably why he was loyal to the Targaryens. The falling out with Daemon would be interesting tho, like the relationship between Alicent and Rhaenyra in the show
@@CrusaderChris Aegon VI also seemed to favour Daemon while Daeron favoured Brynden. Maybe they actually had a brotherly relationship but Aegon and Daeron turned them against each other. They both got the Valyrian swords and all
You'd think there would be doomsday preppers in the asoiaf universe. Everyone lives with a cultural memory if a generations long winter and not a single person is preparing for it.
All the nobles, particularly in the north, do prepare for it, but there was that whole War of the 5 kings that messed up the prepping and killed many of the people who would be doing said prepping, namely the peasants who marched with Robb
Doomsday prepping before industrialization just doesn't work my guy, especially when 99.9% of the people in your world are subsistence farmers who can barely fund day to day life
It is an 8000 year old event we also don't think about bronze age colapse (even tho it was THE most devestating civilisation colapse in history) because it happend so long ago
Is it likely that before blood raven the masters manipulated the realm and he became what he was as a counterbalance to ensure no more meddling in the line of succession?
I think that people give the maesters far too much credit 😅 Remember they supposedly hate magic, so their planning is on a smaller scale than a guy like Blood-raven
@@williamg231 on yes, no comparison. But hey they lost all their dragons due to old Town influences. After bloodraven their schemes kind of whither away
😂😂 no PPL give the maester tok much credit and not every scheme is being done by house hightower😂. Even maester are humans and anybody can be a maester and they come from all parts of westeros. For example house manderly has a maester who was once a Lannister, and how his loyalties cannot be trusted even though he has been a maester of the citadel and house manderly. And another example is pycelle who was loyal only to tywin even though he has served 5 kings so it's not fair to say that house hightower controls all the maesters. Marvin and alleras(sarella sand) is another example.
This has to do with the great empire of the dawn. All the eye colors are related to the emperors of yiti. blue green red purple amethyst ruby sapphire and emerald it has to do with the blood betrayal.
@@CrusaderChris anytime YT recommends a new Ice and Fire channel I have to hesitate... like OH BOY WHO'S THIS NEWBIE hahahaha... but I was new once and it took me a long time get where I am. Your videos are looking pro right out of the gate, I'm impressed! I also tend to go for the magic and symbolism side of the story, of the character conflict side of the story-telling, so I always appreciate people who are really into following all the little details of the plot to put together a picture that is hidden, like the Robb's will thing. Cheers!
And Bloodraven still has Dark Sister lying around somewhere... I hope in the books Jon will get the sword. So Aegons steel and aegons blood slays the Night King.
I don't think Daemon Blackfyre was a "war hungry tyrant" he was a pretty honourable dude and only took up arms at the behest of all the lords and ladies that wanted a rebellion with him as their leader. We don't even know the full story yet until Fire and Blood II, I suspect he is going to be quite a sympathetic character with a little more depth than just a tyrant. Great video tho
And i gotta say this on MY behalf if YOU KNEW what Euron Greyjoy is going to do you wouldve tried to drop him out the window in a green dream as kid too. I NEVER expected him to actually break free of the dream. The Crows Eye is the REAL threat
I do believe Brynden crafted the bloodline to get to Jon and/or Dani to be Azor. However, it begs the question why was he interested in Bran at all? I believe he killed off Bran with the Jojen paste & abomination warging, and now BloodRaven possesses Bran's body so he can finally leave the northern werewood taking all the knowledge with him.
Azor Ahai is most likely to be Daenerys as she brought dragons back into existence and quite literally paralleled Azor Ahai with Nissa Nissa (Drogo is Nissa and Drogon is lightbringer). Her brother believed his seed with a Stark girl would create the prophesized prince but it’s clear if you look through the text who the song is about. The first book begins with the Others (the Ice) and ends with Dany and the birth of her dragons (Fire). The Azor Ahai prophecy is also Essosi, not Westerosi. Dany’s entire arc so far has been rooted in Essosi culture. Plus, you can’t get much more ironic than having Daenerys complete the prophecy in book one before it was ever mentioned by Melisandre in book 3 (i believe). It just makes the most sense while also subverting expectations because everyone thinks it’s Jon.
i know this comment is old lol but i agree about the subverted expectations 100%. the only thing is that I don’t think dany is fleshed out enough as a character to be AA like she’s just a weird vehicle for GRR’s weird fantasies. her chapters are so bad imo
I like this because back in the day we theorized if Jorah could be Azor Ahai. But it being Daenerys makes sense as Melisandre was at here side from when they first met.
Dany is azor ahi she woke dragons from stone, but I don't believe azor ahi is actually a hero. The first one used blood sacrifice to create lightbringer. Killed his own wife that's not a hero. Dany used blood sacrifice to wake her dragons. I can't wait for winds.
To be honest, if Bloodraven was behind or had any influence on the Tragedy of Summerhall... I feel he definitely went overboard with it. Now we've got one, maybe 2 Targaryens left, and I guess you can argue 3 if Young Griff is a Targaryen and not the son of a female of the Blackfyre line. I mean, for real, wouldn't he be able to make sure Rhaegar and then his kids and all that were still born with the proper eugenics he had planned? Why kill off the rest of the family and endanger their house in such a way?. If "The Ends justify the Means", then well, the Ends must not be all that important cause I'd rather more Targaryens and Dragons around than not. If he was behind Dany managing to figure out the Dragon-hatching recipe, well... why not still do that with her or another Targaryen with more around, and maybe look for Stone Dragon Eggs on Dragonstone, cause I'm sure there's at least a few there
Yeah I doubt (and hope not) that Bloodraven had anything to do with Dany’s eggs. Like I said in the video, he’s not a complete puppet master. Regarding Rhaegar, Bloodraven (while still Hand of the King) would have seen Aegon V as the best chance to infuse the royal line with northern DNA since Egg already fell in love with Betha Blackwood. Bloodraven had no way of knowing when exactly the Long Night would fall, so best to put all his eggs into Egg’s basket while he could rather than wait and try to manipulate Egg’s kids. Who knows, though. Lots of possibilities, which is why I love the asoiaf world so much. Bloodraven could be responsible for all of it, or none of it, or some of it. Theorizing just makes it better.
Also Bloodraven loved his family, or at least his brother and half sister (maybe too much) him being so hard on tbe Blackfyre Rebellions seemingly was to protect them. Plus Egg probably caused it, there is a lot of mystery about what happemed at Summerhaul, it was kept hush hush. We know wildfire was involved and Duncan had a dream about Egg and him drowning in sand which convienently enough is the safety measure in Kingslanding against wildfire. Also I suspect when Aemon said better men than Stannis have done far worse he was reffering to Aegon aka Egg. Bloodraven has pretty much only been shown protecting the Targaryens and in his eyes the realm, saying himself before he was exiled that he sacrificed his honour to do so.
In the books as opposed to the show, could Young Griff be Dany’s final target and reason for torching KL instead of Cersei? And since we assume he may actually be a Blackfyre (we know Bloodraven hates them), could Bloodraven be the reason for Dany’s descent into madness and he manipulates her to destroy Young Griff and KL instead of just “the bells”? Maybe he’s gonna give her dragon dreams that pushes her to insanity, forcing Jon to kill her, and thus clearing the way for him to assume the throne through Bran. BR (through manipulation of Euron, Bran, & Dany) may actually be the primary villain of this story. And a Time for Wolves is gonna tell the story of how the Starks (Jon will have to choose between Stark & Targ) will have to unite to stop this rogue Targaryen sorcere who has skin changed into their brother Bran.
@@lordsmoke317 to be fair, it conflicts with some of his previous acts like making sure Jon was lord commander and his depiction in the Blackfyre rebellion. He was fiercely loyal to family and because he was legitimised he could've caused there deaths as opposed to ruthlessly hunting all threats and helping Duncan save Aegon in The Mystery Knight while disguised as Maynard Plumm. Also I believe Aegon V caused Summerhall in an attempt to bring back Dragons as implied by Aemon who said dreams of Dragons killed all his brothers. Furthermore we know he was experimenting with wildfire.
I think Summerhall was Aegon’s mistake first and foremost. It’s just another way for GRRM to show that although prophecies carry weight they are dangerous
Its even better to think that they didnt plot their bloodline for one, but for 2 people Not only Jon, the targ warg dragon rider - but also Dany, who was able to bring the dragons even back
I keep seeing it called Aegons prophecy. But since it was written on the dagger, which is Valyrian, wouldn't that mean the prophecy was hella old since only old Valyrian magic could forge Valryian steele?
According to showrunner Ryan Condal, Aegon only imbued the Valyrian glyphs into the steel. He didn’t forge the dagger itself. While that ability had been lost, there are still a few skilled smiths who can re-work Valyrian steel that has already been forged, like how Tywin has Ice reforged into two smaller Valyrian steel swords: Oathkeeper and Widows Wail.
@@CrusaderChris thanks for the response! Yeah, I did think of Ice being reforged, just was wondering if they did confirm Aegon himself wrote the prophecy too. Thank ya!
When George says brandon will be king I might say he means King of Dreams or something that form. Because him beeing king of the Iron throne isn't something I belief at all.
I honestly think that everything was indeed orchestrated by the 3EC but not Bloodraven. He was just another pawn of the upcoming one that is, will and was(?) Bran Stark just as the Ghost of High Heart. Those two albinos were just instruments. That was the ending that GRRM told to D&D just that they didn't know how to pull that off and that's why Bran end up like the ultimate "ruler" of Westeros.
I never understood this blood raven thing.. if there is a prophecy of a savior prince 300 years ago wouldn't it happen naturally and organicly with out manipulation of the blood Line since it was prophesied
There's no way GRRM is going to justify Bloodraven's heinous actions. Bloodraven likely more or less created the monster that Euron Greyjoy became by diving into the dreams of thousands of children to find greenseers and Euron is going to perform massive blood sacrifice to become a Lovecraftian god in Winds. You cannot know that the good ends you intend are going to happen when you commit to evil means. Bloodraven destroyed the minds of thousands of children (Bran sees the skeletons of thousands of dead dreamers in his dreams), killed his own family almost to extinction, and manipulated the lives of countless people with his spying all to save the world. All of that only for one of the kids he manipulated to go absolutely insane and cause a completely different apocalypse that nobody expected.
And 💯% agree with all, I hope they make a series of Blood Raven. Very nice, 1 of the best explain videos of The Prophecy and Blood Raven I have seen. TX 😉👍
From my perspective, Bloodraven doesn't even look evil. Good vs evil is more relative than good vs bad: it depends on circumstances, the moral norms of society etc. And here we are talking about men, who grew and lived in a world, where people were murdering each other in hundreds and thousands for greed, power, passions and just pleasure. Bloodraven, at least, had a good reasons (at least from his perspective) and confined himself to members of certain family. It also looks like he viewed Targaryens not as rulers by some divine right, but more as servants of humanity: their job is what matters, not their lives. And he lived by the same rules, I think that his cruelty to himself by far surpassed his cruelty to others.
@desaad3270 but it's more to it than just targaryen and north blood because there's been a few of those and none of them were special like Jon and Dany
What do you think of what viserys said in house of the dragon, that Aegon the conqueror cut down all the weirdwoods that he could or in kingslanding (doesn't this destroy the magic or the possibility for three eyed raven to see?) I mean maybe Aegon wanted to destroy his magic in that place for the future idk but when I heard that I though it was strange they said that in the show Aegon I obv had reasons to do that but they are a mystery
10:07 that was the blade that Arya used to kill the night king, isn't it? but Arya is half a Stark & half a Tully. I wonder if the house of dragons writers will manage to fix that plot hole somehow or will they just ignore it at all.
Do you think he got himself sent to The Wall on purpose? So he could better fight the coming Long Night, and help the coming Prince that was Promised defeat the Long Night?
He's not a real targaryen. They're claiming he's rhaegars son and he's called young griff or Faegon by the community online meaning FakeAegon. He's actually a blackfyre.
Love this video. The only thing I disagree with is that Rhaegar didn’t think his baby with Lyanna would be the prince who was promised. He thought it was Aegon. We see that in Danys vision in the house of the undying
Would you guys be more interested in a Aegon the Conqueror series, a Roberts Rebellion series, or a Black fire rebellion series? I'd prefer a Blackfire story personally.
When you first starting started telling this I thought, No, he's reaching here. You've made a solid case here and Blood Raven does seem to be the one who would have made these moments happen.
the only thing about blood raven being the 3 eyed crow is when brandon asks blood raven if he is the 3 eyed crow he never says yes....its something else he says ill have to go back and read the line but that has always got my mind thinking he is not.
Bran: “Are you the three-eyed crow? Bloodraven: “A… crow? Once, aye. Black of garb and black of blood. I have been many things, Bran […] I watched you for a long time, with a thousand eyes and one” He’s 100% Bloodraven. He matches every physical characteristic. A single red eye. A red blotch on his neck/cheek. White hair (obv he is elderly, but Targs have white hair). Black wools from his Nights Watch days. And “a thousand eyes and one” is how people of Westeros have referred to him ever since he was Hand of the King. In their conversation, it seems that he’s never heard the term Three-Eyed Crow, which makes sense since that’s not his official title. The Children call him the Last Greenseer, for example. He simply appears as a Three-Eyed Crow in Bran’s dreams, so that’s what he and Jojen call him.
I wonder how Jon’s warging abilities will interact with dragon bonding. We know that warg bonding is very strong via ghost and Jon connection. I wonder if this enhances the bond with a dragon.
So, to make the prophecy happen, you actually need to work for it to happen . I'm wondering if Bloodraven thought that it could be possible by his actions "the prince who was promised" might never be able to exist. It might turn out that because of bloodraven, there is no" prince that was promised" or instead a few of them. For all we know, Aegon Targaryen aka Young Griff, Daenerys and Jon could all of them be the prince of the prophecy.
I surprise you don't mention the possibility of Sheira Seastar working with Blood Raven. If she is Quaithe, then she at some point got her hands on a glass candle and it wouldn't be beyond her ability to use the glass candle to enter the thoughts and dreams of others. She could've easily drove Aerion mad and caused him to think drinking wildfire will make him a dragon and she could've done something to Rhaegel to make him eat and choke on pie.
If we consider this whole theory true then , Please can someone tell about how blood raven knew that egg's family line needs continuation and not the other 8 male candidates? Why egg? How did he deduce and choose that, just because he shared the love for prophecies I don't think so or else Aerys I family line would have continued. But he chose egg , why ? And how did he know this is the right choice? Plus if Aemon and rhaegar were in constant contact with ravens and they knew that "first men" blood is necessary in family line then why did rhaegar marry Elia Martell? Why did he have kids with her?
Might be featured in Hotd bc it's said that it will tell the story of the HOUSE, not only the dance of dragons. MAYBE we can hope for some Blackfire Content "already" in this series
@@queliolionelo Yeah could.... not that she might. She has 0% of Valyrian Blood. Hence the Fire part in Ice and Fire has gone out. Hence literally it's not possible for anyone other than the Targaryens to be the Prince that was Promised lol. Only they have Valyrian Drangonlord Blood and only they can ride Dragons lol...
@@dineshbalu6107 No I get it, in the video he mentioned it was a stretched and that parts of the prophecy could be accomplished by different people (whatever at this point, my guess is the book if it ever comes out will try and be different to subvert expectations)
Glad to see I’m not the only one who made a Bloodraven cosplay in Elden Ring. I ended up using Rogier’s Rapier as the closest thing I could find to matching Dark Sister.
i’m watching about 3 mins in and it dawns on me… i know bastards are contesters to the throne but like they definitely didn’t hate them as much as the “modern” day in westoros and i wonder if it’s because of what happened in this day and age
Got Egg really into dragon dreams? We don't know for sure either way, but It looks like he's grooming Bran to be his successor, so maybe there's a line of 3-e-ravens getting renewed every century or so
I find it interesting to think about all the other Westerosi historical figures whose lives his life encompassed. As in, he was alive before they were born and then still alive after they died. Even Maester Aemon falls into this category.
Watch the Night King comeback in the Jon Snow series. Since there was no Targaryen on the throne, meant he never really died. Although he looked pretty dead lol.
Tbh daemon sounds like a pretty honourable guy could it be that they may have found evidence about daerons paternity followed by him studying old texts with blood raven about the prophecy. Maybe he felt he was the PTWP and that's why he trained so much as well! That would make Bloodraven's quote "I had a brother I loved" be SO MUCH MORE heartbreaking. As well as show how much the "prophecy" destroyed this family!
A lot of what Blood Raven does supernaturally (sending messages in dreams and cursed knowledge) sound like a lovecraftian entity. Allusion to other horrors like the one Euron wants to summon exist in-universe. Is it possible that whatever Blood Raven did with magic, that he accidentally summoned an eldritch horror which has been manipulating its way to become the king by the end. It would then mean that an evil eldritch being is now the seat of power over the free cities and Westeros, which makes the finale of the show (which I assume was where GRRM was heading to anyways) is actually the bad ending?
One issue, I think Dark sister will have a part to play. But why go through all of the show of giving Jon long claw, when it seems like too much of a gift? There are other ways he could have got it/used it temporarily to show the benefits of v Steel, with him still feeling obligated to give it up, there fore opening him to dark sister, I think the sword probably has a different purpose than to give it to Jon as a replacement. Especially with how rare it is, it seems a bit out of place that he should give it to Jon without being manipulated by blood raven but why do this if he has a sword for him? Making some kind of deal always made sense to me: it goes back to house Mormont after Jon dies, or making it the official sword of the nights watch after Jon - perhaps given to some hero worth the black.
I don’t think bloodraven warged into Maekar. Just because when six skins tried to take over the woman she knew what was happening and fought to her death to avoid it. Maekar would at the very least know something happened.
Blood Raven caused the downfall of the Targaryens because he stole- sorry, “borrowed” any and all artifacts that weren’t nailed down. It annoyed his battle brothers a great deal
I love how Targeryans have like 10 kids each but by the time the king dies there's always like 2 lmao
That's actually quite realistic if you look at child mortality rates in the middle ages.
That's actually because of the Summerhall tragedy
It checks out when you really take in all the factors. (Living conditions, incest, etc)
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I just wanna know how rhaegar explained to lyanna on how he needed to cheat on his wife with a 15 year old and have a baby with her to basically save the world from monsters wielding swords made from ice
She was probably so into him anyway that he didn’t need to explain anything.
Maybe he loved her and his first marriage he married for duties
Yeah that would be a wild conversation to be a fly-on-the-wall for.
They loved each other which is why he annulled his first marriage.
She was a wild child promised to a man that disgusted her with his drunken sleeping around and then met a much better looking man that played music that made her cry with it's beauty and he was the prince I doubt telling him no was really an option even if he hadn't already won her over.
Fun fact: Bloodraven is just a little bit older than the record for the oldest person in real life. She was 122, he's 125
She did it without any power from the old gods too. Absolute boss of a human being. She smoked for 100 years too. From when she was 18 to 118 she smoked everyday
@@Baelor-Breakspear or did she...?
You forget Methuselah
@@malalfordcan’t be scientifically proven
@@Baelor-Breakspearwho's to say she wasn't using tree magic?
Bloodraven was playing the game with both all the answers of both past and present and the ability to subtly change outcomes he doesn’t likes, and that not even mentioning his opinion of himself has gotten to the point that he knows what best for the realm even if it causes untold amounts of misery to thousands so long as he wins. His half-brother BitterSteel accused him of being a witch for the usage of magic and as his life went on he prove him right and he turn to be far worse than what he could possibly imagined.
Bittersteel was bad ass! Long live the Black Dragon!
I don't think he manipulate the present seeing the future I think he influence in the past changing events that will happend in the future
@@desaadd 🤯
Why was Bittersteel so upset abt Bloodraven being a witch when Sierra was one as well? It didn't stop his interest of her.
@@williamg231Bittersteel was a salty boy and bitter that the gorgeous Shiera Seastar preferred Bloodraven to him.
Eat your heart out bitter boy 😂
14:17 Not to mention skin changing into a human is extremely traumatic. Even Hodor is able to recognize when Bran tries to warg him. Maekar would definitely remember something going wrong if Bloodraven warned into him.
Bloodraven manipulates Daenys' dreams and convinces her to leave Valyria 😱😱😱
@@artaxerxeseh30 Dragon dreams are a real thing though and daeny was just a strong dreamer.
This is the guy that trained Bran and I’m supposed to believe Bran isn’t the villain now
Exactly
As villainous as Bloodraven is, I don't really see Bran as being "trained" by him, more groomed, possibly for body snatching, or some other nefarious purpose he needs Bran for. I don't think he's the type to pass the torch. He wants to be in control, forever. Bran is a means to an end.
@@reidsimpson4213 grooming training it’s the same damn thing tbh
@@OGseoulite no, it isn't. Grooming Bran in order to snatch his body is pretty different from training Bran to better understand and control his powers.
Who is the villain and who is the hero is a matter of perspective. Blood Raven did not aspire for the throne, he killed his brother but his brother was trying to take over the realm illegally, so that means he was also loyal to the crown, in the long run he fought against the night King and trained Bran to fight against the night King.
So we may not like his methods but what he did he did for the good of the realm
My God...this was incredible writing on George R.R. Martin's part. It's one thing to be well-researched in history in order to write this series, but this writing is on another level entirely.
I don't know how he can be so slept on as a writer. The show gave him a bad name. Is genius level.
I feel He ripped most His ideas from Tolkien and Herbert
building a genealogy doesn't equate to good writing, but in this case, his story is quite good.
@@stevenguevara2184t's inspiration. It's basically the war of the roses with more sex and incest (or maybe not enough) 😂
I could probably do it too if i had a decade between books
Jon weilding Dark sister would be the stuff of legends.
Cept he already has a Valyrian steel sword.
@@philippeblais8594 Maybe Ser Jorah will regain his honor as a knight and reclaim his family's ancestral sword, and at some point Bran and/or Bloodraven will bestow dark sister upon Jon after he learns his true lineage.
How it would actually happen is beyond me, but it's fun to think about. We know Bloodraven took the sword with him, so he must have it laid by.
Unless Blackfyre makes an appearance, this seems the most likely possibility. George will probably surprise us all though.
I think we’re gonna get some of our answers in the Jon Snow show. I think Jon is gonna discover Dark Sister in Bloodraven’s cave in the far North. Arya will discover the prophecy on the dagger and return it to Jon. Somewhere along the way, she will lose or break Needle. So Jon being the coolest big brother in the show/books will replace his favorite sister’s first gift from him with a new Valyrian steel sword that’s aptly named Dark Sister. Arya is meant to wield that sword. Plus it’s not a great sword or bastard blade. Just a standard long sword (smaller than the others). Perfect for Arya.
@lordsmoke317 sounds better then my theory
@@lordsmoke317 In the books I think Bran and Meera are going to take Dark Sister when they leave the Three Eyed Crow’s cave and either give it to Jon or Dany. The Golden Company probably posses Blackfyre and have given it to Aegon VI, further proving his supposed legitimacy to the rest of Westeros and deposing the Lannister-Baratheons. Something will go wrong though and Jon will probably end up with Blackfyre, but it’s unclear.
It makes sense that Aegon told Torrhen: the Targaryens never meddled with the North, though the North always remained loyal to House Targaryen. Aegon knew Torrhen and the Starks were the first line of defence against the Others. Note that Jaehaerys and Alysanne were the ones who reinforced, supported and provided for the Night’s Watch as something more than a dumping-ground for younger sons and criminals.
It’s interesting how Bloodraven was the one called kinslayer when it was Daemon Blackfyre, who started the rebellion that would’ve ended in the death of at least one of his brothers. Had Daemon won the war would he receive the same monicker?
maybe but as you know history is written by the victors so they would have tried to make him rightous in what he did
@@mehmetcetin9570so why is bloodraven and Jamie mocked with their monicker
@@rear9259 For Jaime propably because everyone in the crownlands hated the Lannisters at that point because of the sack and that the 'crime' was severe, since he broke the Kingsguard oath. So he was an Oathbreaker and a Kingslayer, two crimes which are normally met with hard punishments in westeros. He was lucky that Tywin was there with his army that was NOT exhausted. As for Bloodraven, since there were speculations that he used magic and that he was a skinchanger, the faith potenially spread the rumor that he is a dishonorable piece of **** and a kinslayer.
Because daemon died trying to save someone, is just kinda sad that daemon is like rhaegar, qualified to be a king but never meant to be
Bloodraven wasn't liked by many, to put it mildly. When people dislike you, they'll find any way to sully your reputation and make others see you for the villain they think you are. Bloodraven was also hand of the king, a role closely related to unfettered executive power (especially with hands-off king like Jaerhys), which people tend to hold resentment towards, and he was also master of whisperers, a role for shady and untrustworthy people.
I didn't fail to notice that the prince that was promised had an albino red-eyed dire wolf next to him
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@@wobbegong_23 wow cool thanks
Daenerys doesn’t have a wolf tho
I think Alys Rivers (House Strong) is the green seer before Bloodraven and his grandmother, she gives birth to Aemon's child who later marries into House Blackwood after the events of FB II and gives birth to Melissa Blackwood (Brynden's mother) it seems the green sight power skips a generation and then lands on Brynden Rivers to "continue" the Children Of The Forest mission.
Given how Bran Stark turns out, I feel like Bloodraven left his responsibility to a straight-up creep. Also, Jon Snow was meant to kill Daenarys. But not at King's Landing, after she had gone insane, and killed thousands of people for no good reason. Rather, he was supposed to kill her as the only means to stop The Long Winter from coming again, during the fight with the Wight Walkers.
But the show, as we all know now, was completely bastardized by two lazy dingos, who just wanted to move on to other creative things rather than end the show the way that it was supposed to end. They could have easily dedicated 2 or 3 more seasons to the "War of Winter" plotline, but they didn't care. They had George RR Martin's outline for how the books would end, and basically took the laziest possible route to writing out that conclusion.
George RR Martin, I think, realizes this mistake, and is desperately trying to fix his books, so that they don't end up the same way that the show did, because he's seen how the fans reacted to the show. That's why I think "The Winds of Winter" is taking forever to get to us.
I hope that's the case
He claims to remain insulated from fan theories and stuff, but i can’t imagine he wasn’t affected by the outcry from fans over the shows ending.
They could definitely have used more seasons. I don't think there needs to be any extenuating factors for the book to take 12 years though - the current draft is longer than the whole lord of the rings trilogy. It took Tolkien 11 years to write that.
Good work takes time, especially when it's this complicated!
I don't think George RR Martin would give up on his creative vision just because the fans didn't like it.
He's rich now and has 'Fuck You' money😂
Also if you read any of his previous books you'd see that King Bran is not an unlikely endgame.
He has a thing for Hive-Minds taking over and that is what Bran would be, the Hive-Mind of the Children of the Forest.
When you said Jon was supposed to kill Dany not in king's landing for useless reasons but while the fight with white walkers takes place. what did you mean? Why would Jon kill the azor ahai? Isn't she going to defeat walkers? How would her death positively influence the prevention of another long night? Please explain
I had always believed since show ended in that horrible way that if it was George RR Martin’s intention for bran to be on the throne, it would not be bran it would be blood Raven worging through bran
Bran is too powerful to get warded into bad theory you are dumb I’m smart
I have always thought it was about bran and jon since the first chapter is from bran pov talking about jon. Even the show ending while shitty gave us a scene with jon a Targaryen bending his knee to a stark opposite of what happened 300 years earlier. Even the prophecy of azhor ahai and the prince that was promised tells of a man who came to westeros from a distant land and helped defeat the darkness. This man could be a Targaryen ancestor who together with Brandon stark the builder must have pushed back the white walkers and their master.
there is so much backstory to get into. HBO could keep this going for decades
I would be OK with that 😂
I think Bloodraven loved Daemon Blackfyre but they chose to fight for different sides. He said he had a brother he loved a brother he hated and a woman he desired. They must have loved each other as brothers but duty is the death of love. And then we got Bittersteel and Shiera probably adding conflict between them
It really could go either way between Daemon and Daeron. We know that Daeron got along well with Bloodraven's mother, so that does support Daeron and Bloodraven being close. But I do love the idea that it was Daemon in particular who Bloodraven loved, but just couldn't support his rebellion. It would really make for a great series on HBO.
@@CrusaderChris it would definitely add tragedy to both of them and some of that juicy drama for a TV show
@@Geralds2cents Another thing to consider is that Daeron was about 20 years older than Brynden, making him more like a father figure that he desperately needed (since Aegon IV was a doofus). Also, Bloodraven seemed super eager to kill Daemon and three of his sons, and his entire Blackfyre family, so there just doesn't seem like there could be a loving relationship there. Unless they used to be close, and then had a falling out. I'd love if George ever confirmed this.
@@CrusaderChris it makes sense that he would look to Daeron as a father figure, that's probably why he was loyal to the Targaryens. The falling out with Daemon would be interesting tho, like the relationship between Alicent and Rhaenyra in the show
@@CrusaderChris Aegon VI also seemed to favour Daemon while Daeron favoured Brynden. Maybe they actually had a brotherly relationship but Aegon and Daeron turned them against each other. They both got the Valyrian swords and all
Letting Arya be the one to kill the night king as to be one of the biggest let downs in TV history, was so underwhelming lol
Facts should've been jon
It was Arya because hardcore feminism was in it's prime at that time
Strong waman doesn't need your mansplaining speaking down to her like that.
I bet Aegon and Bloodraven felt really dumb when the Prince that Was Promissed just stayed reeing at a dragon during the battle for the entire world
You'd think there would be doomsday preppers in the asoiaf universe. Everyone lives with a cultural memory if a generations long winter and not a single person is preparing for it.
All the nobles, particularly in the north, do prepare for it, but there was that whole War of the 5 kings that messed up the prepping and killed many of the people who would be doing said prepping, namely the peasants who marched with Robb
In the south winters aren't that bad and nobody believes in the white walkers anymore
Doomsday prepping before industrialization just doesn't work my guy, especially when 99.9% of the people in your world are subsistence farmers who can barely fund day to day life
It is an 8000 year old event we also don't think about bronze age colapse (even tho it was THE most devestating civilisation colapse in history) because it happend so long ago
Is it likely that before blood raven the masters manipulated the realm and he became what he was as a counterbalance to ensure no more meddling in the line of succession?
I think that people give the maesters far too much credit 😅 Remember they supposedly hate magic, so their planning is on a smaller scale than a guy like Blood-raven
@@williamg231 on yes, no comparison. But hey they lost all their dragons due to old Town influences. After bloodraven their schemes kind of whither away
😂😂 no PPL give the maester tok much credit and not every scheme is being done by house hightower😂. Even maester are humans and anybody can be a maester and they come from all parts of westeros. For example house manderly has a maester who was once a Lannister, and how his loyalties cannot be trusted even though he has been a maester of the citadel and house manderly. And another example is pycelle who was loyal only to tywin even though he has served 5 kings so it's not fair to say that house hightower controls all the maesters. Marvin and alleras(sarella sand) is another example.
This could also be the reason there 'must always be a Stark in Wintetfell.'
This has to do with the great empire of the dawn. All the eye colors are related to the emperors of yiti. blue green red purple amethyst ruby sapphire and emerald it has to do with the blood betrayal.
Loved that dream sequence so much, her ancestors were basically saying pls learn from our mistakes, everyone else keeps forgetting smh
haha, thanks for the shout out! just found your channel and I'm enjoying the content! watched the Robbs Will video last night 👍
Wow I appreciate that! Means a lot coming from you!
@@CrusaderChris anytime YT recommends a new Ice and Fire channel I have to hesitate... like OH BOY WHO'S THIS NEWBIE hahahaha... but I was new once and it took me a long time get where I am. Your videos are looking pro right out of the gate, I'm impressed! I also tend to go for the magic and symbolism side of the story, of the character conflict side of the story-telling, so I always appreciate people who are really into following all the little details of the plot to put together a picture that is hidden, like the Robb's will thing. Cheers!
Ur Explanations to this theory just gave me chills
Perfection
Perfection would be not using words you don't understand the connotations of, or how to pronounce.
And Bloodraven still has Dark Sister lying around somewhere... I hope in the books Jon will get the sword. So Aegons steel and aegons blood slays the Night King.
Dark sister wasn't aegons. It was visenyas sword
Why would Jon get it though? There are several characters who it would make a lot more sense to have it
I don't think Daemon Blackfyre was a "war hungry tyrant" he was a pretty honourable dude and only took up arms at the behest of all the lords and ladies that wanted a rebellion with him as their leader. We don't even know the full story yet until Fire and Blood II, I suspect he is going to be quite a sympathetic character with a little more depth than just a tyrant. Great video tho
And i gotta say this on MY behalf if YOU KNEW what Euron Greyjoy is going to do you wouldve tried to drop him out the window in a green dream as kid too. I NEVER expected him to actually break free of the dream. The Crows Eye is the REAL threat
I do believe Brynden crafted the bloodline to get to Jon and/or Dani to be Azor. However, it begs the question why was he interested in Bran at all? I believe he killed off Bran with the Jojen paste & abomination warging, and now BloodRaven possesses Bran's body so he can finally leave the northern werewood taking all the knowledge with him.
Hyped after seeing Bloodraven in the HOTD season finale!
It sounds like Bloodraven would be a male Bene Gesserat in the Dune universe. Great video!
Your lore content is superb and love the research ❤. Hope your channel blows up
Azor Ahai is most likely to be Daenerys as she brought dragons back into existence and quite literally paralleled Azor Ahai with Nissa Nissa (Drogo is Nissa and Drogon is lightbringer). Her brother believed his seed with a Stark girl would create the prophesized prince but it’s clear if you look through the text who the song is about. The first book begins with the Others (the Ice) and ends with Dany and the birth of her dragons (Fire). The Azor Ahai prophecy is also Essosi, not Westerosi. Dany’s entire arc so far has been rooted in Essosi culture. Plus, you can’t get much more ironic than having Daenerys complete the prophecy in book one before it was ever mentioned by Melisandre in book 3 (i believe). It just makes the most sense while also subverting expectations because everyone thinks it’s Jon.
i know this comment is old lol but i agree about the subverted expectations 100%. the only thing is that I don’t think dany is fleshed out enough as a character to be AA like she’s just a weird vehicle for GRR’s weird fantasies. her chapters are so bad imo
@@biancafloDany's chapters are amazing
@biancaflo her chapters are bad?💀💀💀💀💀, her chapters are literally the only chapters that won GRRM an award.
@@biancaflosoooo awkward for you babes because GRRM actually confirmed himself that Daenerys is the Azor Ahai 🤭
I like this because back in the day we theorized if Jorah could be Azor Ahai. But it being Daenerys makes sense as Melisandre was at here side from when they first met.
Dany is azor ahi she woke dragons from stone, but I don't believe azor ahi is actually a hero. The first one used blood sacrifice to create lightbringer. Killed his own wife that's not a hero. Dany used blood sacrifice to wake her dragons. I can't wait for winds.
Very close to InDeepGeek video. Glad you're giving the artists credit
To be honest, if Bloodraven was behind or had any influence on the Tragedy of Summerhall... I feel he definitely went overboard with it. Now we've got one, maybe 2 Targaryens left, and I guess you can argue 3 if Young Griff is a Targaryen and not the son of a female of the Blackfyre line.
I mean, for real, wouldn't he be able to make sure Rhaegar and then his kids and all that were still born with the proper eugenics he had planned? Why kill off the rest of the family and endanger their house in such a way?.
If "The Ends justify the Means", then well, the Ends must not be all that important cause I'd rather more Targaryens and Dragons around than not. If he was behind Dany managing to figure out the Dragon-hatching recipe, well... why not still do that with her or another Targaryen with more around, and maybe look for Stone Dragon Eggs on Dragonstone, cause I'm sure there's at least a few there
Yeah I doubt (and hope not) that Bloodraven had anything to do with Dany’s eggs. Like I said in the video, he’s not a complete puppet master. Regarding Rhaegar, Bloodraven (while still Hand of the King) would have seen Aegon V as the best chance to infuse the royal line with northern DNA since Egg already fell in love with Betha Blackwood. Bloodraven had no way of knowing when exactly the Long Night would fall, so best to put all his eggs into Egg’s basket while he could rather than wait and try to manipulate Egg’s kids.
Who knows, though. Lots of possibilities, which is why I love the asoiaf world so much. Bloodraven could be responsible for all of it, or none of it, or some of it. Theorizing just makes it better.
Also Bloodraven loved his family, or at least his brother and half sister (maybe too much) him being so hard on tbe Blackfyre Rebellions seemingly was to protect them. Plus Egg probably caused it, there is a lot of mystery about what happemed at Summerhaul, it was kept hush hush. We know wildfire was involved and Duncan had a dream about Egg and him drowning in sand which convienently enough is the safety measure in Kingslanding against wildfire. Also I suspect when Aemon said better men than Stannis have done far worse he was reffering to Aegon aka Egg. Bloodraven has pretty much only been shown protecting the Targaryens and in his eyes the realm, saying himself before he was exiled that he sacrificed his honour to do so.
In the books as opposed to the show, could Young Griff be Dany’s final target and reason for torching KL instead of Cersei? And since we assume he may actually be a Blackfyre (we know Bloodraven hates them), could Bloodraven be the reason for Dany’s descent into madness and he manipulates her to destroy Young Griff and KL instead of just “the bells”? Maybe he’s gonna give her dragon dreams that pushes her to insanity, forcing Jon to kill her, and thus clearing the way for him to assume the throne through Bran. BR (through manipulation of Euron, Bran, & Dany) may actually be the primary villain of this story. And a Time for Wolves is gonna tell the story of how the Starks (Jon will have to choose between Stark & Targ) will have to unite to stop this rogue Targaryen sorcere who has skin changed into their brother Bran.
@@lordsmoke317 to be fair, it conflicts with some of his previous acts like making sure Jon was lord commander and his depiction in the Blackfyre rebellion. He was fiercely loyal to family and because he was legitimised he could've caused there deaths as opposed to ruthlessly hunting all threats and helping Duncan save Aegon in The Mystery Knight while disguised as Maynard Plumm. Also I believe Aegon V caused Summerhall in an attempt to bring back Dragons as implied by Aemon who said dreams of Dragons killed all his brothers. Furthermore we know he was experimenting with wildfire.
I think Summerhall was Aegon’s mistake first and foremost. It’s just another way for GRRM to show that although prophecies carry weight they are dangerous
Bloodraven is my favorite mystery character. I got his back. He's my boi!!!
lovin' this. i haven't read any of the Dunk'n'egg stories yet but it was really good having you tell the bloodraveny details
I like how the Dream of Spring cover says "Gerorge RR Martin" Hopefully he writes faster 🤣
“Today, let’s talk about an age-old holiday topic… eugenics.” Lmao!
12:21 why does Maekar looks like lord corlys ? 😂
Awesome video! Seriously well done. Loved it
I appreciate that, thank you
Its even better to think that they didnt plot their bloodline for one, but for 2 people
Not only Jon, the targ warg dragon rider - but also Dany, who was able to bring the dragons even back
I keep seeing it called Aegons prophecy. But since it was written on the dagger, which is Valyrian, wouldn't that mean the prophecy was hella old since only old Valyrian magic could forge Valryian steele?
According to showrunner Ryan Condal, Aegon only imbued the Valyrian glyphs into the steel. He didn’t forge the dagger itself. While that ability had been lost, there are still a few skilled smiths who can re-work Valyrian steel that has already been forged, like how Tywin has Ice reforged into two smaller Valyrian steel swords: Oathkeeper and Widows Wail.
@@CrusaderChris thanks for the response! Yeah, I did think of Ice being reforged, just was wondering if they did confirm Aegon himself wrote the prophecy too. Thank ya!
Bloodraven trying to make the Kwisatz Haderach confirmed
I have heard a lot of Bloodraven theories but this one makes more since than any of them. Keep up the good work🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
When George says brandon will be king I might say he means King of Dreams or something that form. Because him beeing king of the Iron throne isn't something I belief at all.
25:51 Romesh Ranganathan taught him the ways of the leaf and balloon.
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I honestly think that everything was indeed orchestrated by the 3EC but not Bloodraven. He was just another pawn of the upcoming one that is, will and was(?) Bran Stark just as the Ghost of High Heart. Those two albinos were just instruments.
That was the ending that GRRM told to D&D just that they didn't know how to pull that off and that's why Bran end up like the ultimate "ruler" of Westeros.
Bloodraven is basically the Bene Gesserit Sisterhood from Dune. Azor Ahai = Kwizatz Haderach
I never understood this blood raven thing.. if there is a prophecy of a savior prince 300 years ago wouldn't it happen naturally and organicly with out manipulation of the blood Line since it was prophesied
It's what I believe too. I hate this ''Bloodraven caused everything'' theory.
There's no way GRRM is going to justify Bloodraven's heinous actions. Bloodraven likely more or less created the monster that Euron Greyjoy became by diving into the dreams of thousands of children to find greenseers and Euron is going to perform massive blood sacrifice to become a Lovecraftian god in Winds.
You cannot know that the good ends you intend are going to happen when you commit to evil means. Bloodraven destroyed the minds of thousands of children (Bran sees the skeletons of thousands of dead dreamers in his dreams), killed his own family almost to extinction, and manipulated the lives of countless people with his spying all to save the world. All of that only for one of the kids he manipulated to go absolutely insane and cause a completely different apocalypse that nobody expected.
There’s just too much in the story for it to end smoothly. It’s like GRRM is playing chess with 3 sets of pieces on one board
And 💯% agree with all, I hope they make a series of Blood Raven.
Very nice, 1 of the best explain videos of The Prophecy and Blood Raven I have seen. TX 😉👍
0:38 Is that really going to be the dream of spring bookcover?
From my perspective, Bloodraven doesn't even look evil. Good vs evil is more relative than good vs bad: it depends on circumstances, the moral norms of society etc. And here we are talking about men, who grew and lived in a world, where people were murdering each other in hundreds and thousands for greed, power, passions and just pleasure. Bloodraven, at least, had a good reasons (at least from his perspective) and confined himself to members of certain family. It also looks like he viewed Targaryens not as rulers by some divine right, but more as servants of humanity: their job is what matters, not their lives. And he lived by the same rules, I think that his cruelty to himself by far surpassed his cruelty to others.
Also Jon Snow bloodline has Martell, Arryn, Blackwood, and Dayne which links all the magical bloodlines together
Obv stark and Targaryen are also magical
@@desaadd obv
@desaad3270 but it's more to it than just targaryen and north blood because there's been a few of those and none of them were special like Jon and Dany
@@desaadd Blackwoods clearly got some magic otherwise Bloodraven wouldn't have been a greenseer
@@J10005 i know blackwoods are the ones that gave that power to the start
What do you think of what viserys said in house of the dragon, that Aegon the conqueror cut down all the weirdwoods that he could or in kingslanding (doesn't this destroy the magic or the possibility for three eyed raven to see?) I mean maybe Aegon wanted to destroy his magic in that place for the future idk but when I heard that I though it was strange they said that in the show Aegon I obv had reasons to do that but they are a mystery
Wasn‘t it the first men or andals destroying those trees
Love your disclaimer ❤😂
U got a like and sub from me mate. Especially because you included David Lightbringer
In my opinion rhaegar was the prince who was promised because his song was ice & fire aka jon snow
10:07 that was the blade that Arya used to kill the night king, isn't it? but Arya is half a Stark & half a Tully. I wonder if the house of dragons writers will manage to fix that plot hole somehow or will they just ignore it at all.
Ignor it, it has nothing to do with "A song of Ice and fier"
Fr it's just a fun prop for it's actual usage
It would be amazing to see/play a game based on these novels in a similar mode like 'the Witcher'.
This was brilliant mate, really well done, keep up the great work 👍🇮🇪
Amazing Theory I think you got this one 100 percent right
Do you think he got himself sent to The Wall on purpose? So he could better fight the coming Long Night, and help the coming Prince that was Promised defeat the Long Night?
So who is the Aegon Targeryeon that sails with the Golden Company?
He's not a real targaryen. They're claiming he's rhaegars son and he's called young griff or Faegon by the community online meaning FakeAegon. He's actually a blackfyre.
Love this video. The only thing I disagree with is that Rhaegar didn’t think his baby with Lyanna would be the prince who was promised. He thought it was Aegon. We see that in Danys vision in the house of the undying
10:51 What if aryse read the chronicles of Deamon's vison of the prince who was promised and the return of dragons like in the show.
Just discovered ur channel.. BRILLIANT!
Would you guys be more interested in a Aegon the Conqueror series, a Roberts Rebellion series, or a Black fire rebellion series? I'd prefer a Blackfire story personally.
If I had to pick I'd go with Roberts Rebellion but I'll take any SOIF media they give us lol
When you first starting started telling this I thought, No, he's reaching here. You've made a solid case here and Blood Raven does seem to be the one who would have made these moments happen.
him having something to do with 9 heirs deaths before Egg became king is an incredible reach tho.
@@frenchsterr not really, it's literally set up to be suspicious in dunk and egg because of bloodraven
u made me giggle with the disclaimer.....lol
the only thing about blood raven being the 3 eyed crow is when brandon asks blood raven if he is the 3 eyed crow he never says yes....its something else he says ill have to go back and read the line but that has always got my mind thinking he is not.
Bran: “Are you the three-eyed crow?
Bloodraven: “A… crow? Once, aye. Black of garb and black of blood. I have been many things, Bran […] I watched you for a long time, with a thousand eyes and one”
He’s 100% Bloodraven. He matches every physical characteristic. A single red eye. A red blotch on his neck/cheek. White hair (obv he is elderly, but Targs have white hair). Black wools from his Nights Watch days. And “a thousand eyes and one” is how people of Westeros have referred to him ever since he was Hand of the King.
In their conversation, it seems that he’s never heard the term Three-Eyed Crow, which makes sense since that’s not his official title. The Children call him the Last Greenseer, for example. He simply appears as a Three-Eyed Crow in Bran’s dreams, so that’s what he and Jojen call him.
So much awesome lore!! Love it! Can wait to live enough to see all of this adapted, hopefuly as good as HotD!!
Where does it say Azor Ahai needs first men blood?
Is there somewhere where I can get the images of the family tree connections on this video??? Great imagery.
Do you mean the individual portraits or the family tree itself? I made the tree myself, but can give you a download link if you want.
@@CrusaderChris thank you 🙏💯
@@CrusaderChris the tree, thnx 🙏🙏
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the family tree is great, is there a credit for that. would love to have a full look at it
I wonder how Jon’s warging abilities will interact with dragon bonding. We know that warg bonding is very strong via ghost and Jon connection. I wonder if this enhances the bond with a dragon.
What's the source for the segment between 6:06 to 6:34?
Sounds like Bloodraven understood the assignment and had the answer for the trolley problem for the greater good.
What comic is that at 7:15
I want to read it
From the Dunk & Egg graphic novels I believe
So, to make the prophecy happen, you actually need to work for it to happen . I'm wondering if Bloodraven thought that it could be possible by his actions "the prince who was promised" might never be able to exist. It might turn out that because of bloodraven, there is no" prince that was promised" or instead a few of them. For all we know, Aegon Targaryen aka Young Griff, Daenerys and Jon could all of them be the prince of the prophecy.
I surprise you don't mention the possibility of Sheira Seastar working with Blood Raven. If she is Quaithe, then she at some point got her hands on a glass candle and it wouldn't be beyond her ability to use the glass candle to enter the thoughts and dreams of others. She could've easily drove Aerion mad and caused him to think drinking wildfire will make him a dragon and she could've done something to Rhaegel to make him eat and choke on pie.
If we consider this whole theory true then , Please can someone tell about how blood raven knew that egg's family line needs continuation and not the other 8 male candidates? Why egg? How did he deduce and choose that, just because he shared the love for prophecies I don't think so or else Aerys I family line would have continued. But he chose egg , why ? And how did he know this is the right choice? Plus if Aemon and rhaegar were in constant contact with ravens and they knew that "first men" blood is necessary in family line then why did rhaegar marry Elia Martell? Why did he have kids with her?
Might be featured in Hotd bc it's said that it will tell the story of the HOUSE, not only the dance of dragons.
MAYBE we can hope for some Blackfire Content "already" in this series
Ok but how does Aria fit into the prophecy? Or more like, how does she NOT fit the prophecy?
Arya has no link to any of the Prophecy whatsoever lol. She is just a little girl training to be an Assasin, that's all...
@@dineshbalu6107 watched a video from In Deep Geek the other day about how Aria could fit parts of the prophecy of Azor Ahai
@@queliolionelo Yeah could.... not that she might. She has 0% of Valyrian Blood. Hence the Fire part in Ice and Fire has gone out. Hence literally it's not possible for anyone other than the Targaryens to be the Prince that was Promised lol. Only they have Valyrian Drangonlord Blood and only they can ride Dragons lol...
@@dineshbalu6107 No I get it, in the video he mentioned it was a stretched and that parts of the prophecy could be accomplished by different people (whatever at this point, my guess is the book if it ever comes out will try and be different to subvert expectations)
The series is literally called a song of ice and fire. Pretty sure Starks + Targaryens is what George always meant.
Glad to see I’m not the only one who made a Bloodraven cosplay in Elden Ring. I ended up using Rogier’s Rapier as the closest thing I could find to matching Dark Sister.
i’m watching about 3 mins in and it dawns on me… i know bastards are contesters to the throne but like they definitely didn’t hate them as much as the “modern” day in westoros and i wonder if it’s because of what happened in this day and age
what did bloodraven have to do, if anything, with the tragedy of summerhall? also, was bloodraven the first 3-eyed raven?
Got Egg really into dragon dreams?
We don't know for sure either way, but It looks like he's grooming Bran to be his successor, so maybe there's a line of 3-e-ravens getting renewed every century or so
I want a young Blood Raven limited tv series and I want him played by Jamie Campbell-Bower 😭
he will be in dunk and egg tv series that has already been announced
How many videos does lord blood raven have?
A thousand videos and one
Bloodraven is prolly one of my most favourite characters in ASOIAF
I find it interesting to think about all the other Westerosi historical figures whose lives his life encompassed. As in, he was alive before they were born and then still alive after they died. Even Maester Aemon falls into this category.
Watch the Night King comeback in the Jon Snow series. Since there was no Targaryen on the throne, meant he never really died. Although he looked pretty dead lol.
There's a theory that bloodraven has possessed bran which means technically there is a targaryen on the throne.
Tbh daemon sounds like a pretty honourable guy could it be that they may have found evidence about daerons paternity followed by him studying old texts with blood raven about the prophecy. Maybe he felt he was the PTWP and that's why he trained so much as well! That would make Bloodraven's quote "I had a brother I loved" be SO MUCH MORE heartbreaking. As well as show how much the "prophecy" destroyed this family!
That is just fascinating, thank you.
A lot of what Blood Raven does supernaturally (sending messages in dreams and cursed knowledge) sound like a lovecraftian entity. Allusion to other horrors like the one Euron wants to summon exist in-universe. Is it possible that whatever Blood Raven did with magic, that he accidentally summoned an eldritch horror which has been manipulating its way to become the king by the end. It would then mean that an evil eldritch being is now the seat of power over the free cities and Westeros, which makes the finale of the show (which I assume was where GRRM was heading to anyways) is actually the bad ending?
One issue, I think Dark sister will have a part to play. But why go through all of the show of giving Jon long claw, when it seems like too much of a gift? There are other ways he could have got it/used it temporarily to show the benefits of v Steel, with him still feeling obligated to give it up, there fore opening him to dark sister, I think the sword probably has a different purpose than to give it to Jon as a replacement. Especially with how rare it is, it seems a bit out of place that he should give it to Jon without being manipulated by blood raven but why do this if he has a sword for him? Making some kind of deal always made sense to me: it goes back to house Mormont after Jon dies, or making it the official sword of the nights watch after Jon - perhaps given to some hero worth the black.
I don’t think bloodraven warged into Maekar. Just because when six skins tried to take over the woman she knew what was happening and fought to her death to avoid it. Maekar would at the very least know something happened.
Blood Raven caused the downfall of the Targaryens because he stole- sorry, “borrowed” any and all artifacts that weren’t nailed down. It annoyed his battle brothers a great deal