My husband is a plastic surgeon. While he runs a small hospital in the city center, our monthly income is in the millions. However, Nelson is a globally renowned doctor. Typically, when doctors of his caliber retire, many prestigious hospitals scout them and offer astronomical salaries along with incentives tied to the hospital's overall revenue. If Nelson hadn't given up his profession, the money he would have earned by now would have been tens of times more than his current salary. I deeply appreciate his service, and my husband, as a fellow doctor, holds Nelson in high regard.
He is the President of a corporation worth at least 150 Billion dollars. He might only get “paid” that much but he can get whatever he wants whenever he wants it. A lot of really smart people would pick that option over a high paying salary any day.
I want to see a video showing how much the LDS church donates compared to other evangelical or Christian denominations. For example, according to the US Revenue Department, in 2023, the LDS Church donated $1.2 Billion. Can we see how much other religions donate in comparison?
Not much. If you look at the actual donations, most of it is “in kind,” not actual dollars. They count things like the monetary cost of their voluntary labor and even every canned veg they give to their worshippers from their food stores. It’s surprising to me when people bring this up. Do you not know that the church gives very little in monetary donations compared to many other churches or that they boost their total by nickel and dimming what they consider “donations” it’s a scam on every level.
@@deniecedavis-xh2ikI don’t quite understand are you saying that $1.2B is not much or you can’t find out what other religions donate? You know the $1.2B is actual money that the IRS sees, right? Is not the billions of hours service members donate, that’s another exception field that is reviewed.
Have the US Revenue Department made that claim? Again, I'd like you to tell me where to find that, because I am doubtful. So far as I'm aware that figure came from internal reports.
As a non member I often get this “thrown” at me with a holier than thou attitude - “our leadership, bishops, stake presidents are NOT paid clergy. They simply offere their service”. Ok then. If the high up leadership is supposed to be an example, why are they paid, and an exorbitant amount at that?
I think they should be more clear about this. The truth is that they are paid from the profits of the investment companies that are owned or affiliated with the church, not from members tithing
@michelehunt7234 All full-time employees of the church are paid, some more, some less, depending on their contribution and the the market rate for such services. Compare President Nelson's assumed salary in this video to that of any CEO of an organization of 17,000,000 people and see how it compares; or just take the assumed salary of a leader of some other large church. Many evangelists make millions.
@@Mike-nq7fn& the investment companies are purchased with tithing money.... So profits from those companies & the companies are all from member tithing
Do you realize there is an at best inaccurate assumption in the question? Not an exorbitant amount. He would have made far far more if he retired as he was. He was called to serve and instead of jetting around the world for site seeing, he put in 70hours per week and just saw the inside of church buildings on weekends. His wife goes with him. The New Testament Twelve also lived the "all things in common" covenant .
So you think the prophet is serving to get money? He gave up years of doing heart surgery, to fulfill a calling and work that he will never get released from. How many millions of dollars in tithing and fast offering do you think he has paid to the Lords church? To think he is serving for money is funny to me.
well for decades they put up a pretty good front that they were all doing it for absolutely free and that turned out to be a steaming pile of horseshit, so I don't think they deserve the benefit of doubt on the issue.
Yeah, he gave up his life to be the prophet, I'm surprised that he doesn't make a little more, the cost of security alone must take a huge chunk of his check!
So, is th I s a criticism? I dont get the point. His whole existence is for the lord. Ceo's of major corporations take home 10's of millions and don't do a fraction of what the prophet does in a year. Bless him for his devotion to us and to the lord.
What exactly does he do for you?? I’ve yet to here them actually prophise anything and only use that weird voice to talk more spiritual then say something that you would say to a 5 year old like they are really the only ones that know that 😂🤮. It’s so crazy how easily people can be indoctrinated. Ex: JS had many prophecies that didn’t happen ( look it up) what the hell anyone tells themselves he was marrying 14 year olds and married woman who’s HUBBY’s were alive( all documented) but some won’t look it up because the “church” said it’s anti Mormon so you get in big trouble again - the TRUTH can be hid by those who only follow blindly! The church(lol) The Bible it can stand on its own! Interesting JESUS never mentioned anything that this man made load of BS church says and they are getting PAID to take your salvation!
@@randycolclough5203 typical stupid Mormon to say the original funds came from nothing. But you have to be stupid to believe your adulterate stone seer dug up golden plates and got the BoM staring at stone with his face stuffed in his hat.
I sincerely do not believe church leaders "lead or manage" for the money. If they did, they are not paid nearly enough! I thank them for their leadership, love, and service!
Ask any of them to donate their belongings to someone else in need and walk away from it all and wait for the Lord to provide for their needs to be met. See how many of them can do it? I have…and I didn’t get a stipend from the church for it either. God bless.
@@mollyedwards7494 well this video is not even a good effort to understand how this all works. These guys DO have to sign over their personal estate and belongings to the Church. They are not paid on these book sales either - they go to the Church. Now whether or not I think selling such books or what they do with the money is awesome and what Jesus would do... that's a separate question. However, these guys have objectively donated their belongings.
@@mollyedwards7494 You have given 40 years of your life to the service of God? You have walked away from multi-million dollar post career opportunities? I don't believe your statement of "I have..." You are tooting your own horn, which none of those in Church leadership have ever done.
Hi Molly,, Well Said,,& True..what does a man get paid for ?? Should it not be an honour to be teaching his faith ?Well ok then give him expenses?😂😂🙏🙏 Thanks,all the best Rob,,Yorkshire,UK
This stipend that the Prophets and Apostles have is an allowance. It cannot be spent to buy or acquire property and how it was spent must be reported and accounted for every month. Considering the millions they would have had if they retired and did not serve as Church leadership, I must say that they truly are living the Law of Consecration. Pastors live in million dollar mansions with private jets and take luxurious trips for a vacation. Did you see any prophet or apostle take one? They travel often but they do not have those privileges and often travel for their ministry. Ignorance and conflict bred by bitter exmos who wants what they want and not what the Lord wants as well as antis who will never have the true light of God in their hearts will twist anything to make theirselves feel comfortable in the muck.
Typical LDS liar including men of GOD in Prodestant churches in with the thieves of the likes Baker and Hinn. If you think your 12 aren't flying 1st class or in the Business jets owned by LDS corporate businesses, than its no wonder you were stupid enough to join "the power of Lucifers priesthood".
Typical anti-bible LDS teaching. GOD had Jeremiah buy land for a reassurance HE would return them to the land. Land ownership and inheritance is in the books of Moses. You're a blind antichrist Mormon that doesn't know the light, you comprehend HIM not. The WORD of GOD isn't "MUCK", you blasphemy the HOLY SPIRIT and the power of GOD. How's that BoA read going for you? Have you ever heard of the Rosetta Stone? I know Joseph never heard of it. JESUS said before Abraham was, I AM, the Jews knew JESUS said He was YHWH speaking from the burning bush, why don't you know who HE is? JESUS said to the Pharisee if you believe not that "I AM" you will die in your sins. It's not looking good for you son. No Mormon teenager is going to baptize you out of hell, the rich man was on the other side of an impassable divide according to JESUS. What part of impassable did the adulterate stones seer not comprehend? Jn.8:24, 58 JESUS said there is no marriage or giving in marriage in the Resurrection. Joseph Smith said it's one of the highest salvation requirements. who do you believe JESUS or Joseph? One is a liar, which one do you believe in?
@@DropoutJerome dude they can barely walk well... I'm sure they would be too tired to chase luxury. Also, you have no evidence to the contrary. I rest my case.
Sorry guys, but God's Church needs to support those that give up their livelihood and become Missionaries Full Time in this Tax Defined Charitable Organization. Objective Logic declares that The Law of Tithing is an essential Doctrine in Christ's True Church according to the Bible. You've highlighted the practical nature of Jesus Christ's True Church. Thank you and God bless.
As I understand, when you're called to be an Apostle you live the law of consecration. These men where at the top of their career fields of labor. The 'proof' you have found would be a cut in pay and mostly cover expenses as they travel the world sharing love with all people.
They do not pay for that travel. They chose to serve God in the latter stage of life, having had successful careers and made more than sufficient money. Why are Prophets and Apostles paid for a job that missionaries PAY to do? I don't recall Jesus, nor any of the Apostles, ever being paid.
They are often called well before retirement without any warning and it’s more than a full time job. To expect them to have enough savings and retirement to last the rest of their life is unfair. Missionaries generally have many years to prepare and save, they may get help from family and sometimes the ward if needed to go on a mission and it’s only 2 years.
@@dr33776 I am not sure that I understand what you mean. The law of consecration doesn’t mean that you share your house with people or you have to give it up. You still need a roof over your head.
"For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." See Matt 6:19-21 Rusty is making more than 5 times as much as an average person just off of being a "prophet" in a time of scarcity. Does that sound like the mouthpiece of the one who said "lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth"?
Yes it does.. when you realize he gave up his retirement and his savings and lives on less than 1/4 of the AVERAGE income of a heart surgeon (his career he gave up to serve the church). He was a leader in the field- would have easily been making way more than 1MM a year for decades. He would have millions in the bank and could retire in the most lavish of locations if he didn't give it up to serve the church. Also, when you consider that the leader of any other organization worth 150B would easily be making BILLIONS of dollars- and he takes home a measly 190K - Less than any doctor, lawyer, executive manager, programmer, business owner, or consultant.. He doesn't have a stockpile of billions of dollars anywhere - he will likely leave his children with little inheritance.. Your envy is astounding.
@@forceman911 Lol "my envy." Why do Morms always go to personal attacks? I can't just be wrong, I have to have a major personality flaw. Your culture is based on shaming and gaslighting others into conformity. That said, Rusty would have retired from being a surgeon 30+ years ago, and all the years of 6 figure stipends and many other benefits (free housing, free transportation, free healthcare, etc) he's gotten since the 80s, when you stack all that against the additional 10 years pay he would have had as a surgeon, would probably have not been as drastic a difference as you implied. Even if it had been, inside sources have revealed being a Gen authority is basically a cushy paid retirement where you're also an adored celebrity. His enormous ego (we know he has one based on his exaggerated lies about himself, like his disproven airplane story) would have made that kind of transition conceivably tempting. But all of that discussion is actually a distraction from what matters. The point is they're making way more than most of the hard working members whose tithes they live off of, and they pretend leaders aren't paid, and there is nothing Christlike or honest about any of that. Christ's biblical church basically taught leaders to not care about money at all. It's a scam.
@ScottJB Your accusations are unjust but consistent with Revelation 12: 10,11 "day and night". If the devil is the father of lies then what would he want people to know about the greatest Truth on the earth? Would he recruit others to lie for him? How? What would that look like?
I have a doctor friend. His brother is also a doctor. My friend wanted his brother to move to the same town he lived with in. His brother determined that if he moved he would only make $400,000 a year. He decided to stay where he was at because he didn’t want the cut in pay. This was 20 years ago. With his experience as a world-class heart surgeon I’m certain that President Nelson retired as a millionaire. I doubt very much that he gets a salary from the Church.
Spin it and justify it how you will. The brethren are more like Nehorites. "(D)eclaring unto the people that every priest and teacher ought to become popular; and they ought not to labor with their hands, but that they ought to be supported by the people." I find it equally interesting that prophecy is fulfilled a multitude of times. Why do we have a fast offering and tithing? What is the declared purpose of tithing? JST Genesis 14:38 "Him whom God had appointed to receive tithes for the poor." Repeating prophecy: "32 Yea, it shall come in a day when there shall be churches built up that shall say: Come unto me, and for your money you shall be forgiven of your sins. 33 O ye wicked and perverse and stiffnecked people, why have ye built up churches unto yourselves to get gain? Why have ye transfigured the holy word of God, that ye might bring damnation upon your souls? Behold, look ye unto the revelations of God; for behold, the time cometh at that day when all these things must be fulfilled. 34 Behold, the Lord hath shown unto me great and marvelous things concerning that which must shortly come, at that day when these things shall come forth among you. 35 Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing. 36 And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts; and there are none save a few only who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquities; and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts. 37 For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted." Mormon 8:32-37 I have a testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon. I can no longer sustain the brethren of the Church. Maybe if you spent time studying more history and actually reading church books you would feel the same. "Approaching Zion" by Hugh Nibley stands out to me. Look up hotels and read on.
@@Veevslav1 fruit of thy loins 7 times in three verses in Gen. 50 is a pedophia stone seer's writing himself into 3500 year old WORD of GOD. The style is in a preverse writing style for sure NOT inspired by the HOLY SPIRIT. My GOD speaks the end from the beginning LDS believe Joseph is allowed to insert himself after his conjob to substantiate his lie. He mutilated Jn. 1:1 and will be judged and burned for his blasphemy. I can't believe idiots accept this demonic translation by the adulterate stone seer.
There will always be critics. There always has been. People will see what they want to see and no amount of evidence if put before them would convince them otherwise. Best just to let them get on with it and let them find happiness in this ........ and save your energy focus on what is good x
So President Nelson could have made literally millions and gave it up to make middle class wages and never retire and work 12+ hours a day. Wow you need to adjust your view.
The Prophet and Apostles do a lot of traveling, who do you think pays for that. We will probably never be able to realize what financial benefits past, present, and future prophets and apostles could have made/willl make, But don't you think they would need to be compensated for their travels, and other expenses?
@@peckandabushel3065 Typical for LDS Corporation to not be upfront with what they pay the top of the Ponzi scheme. You need to believe in GOD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST instead of your failed false prophet Joseph Smith. Russell has several luxury homes, millions in the bank and lives off poor people's tithing. You need to kick your LDS Kool Aid addiction. Tell me peckerbush, If JESUS says "before Abraham was, I AM, so the Jews picked up stones to kill him" Jn. 8:58. Who do you believe? JESUS, who the Jews knew JESUS said HE is YHWH or Joseph who said JESUS is satan's older brother? It's important, "I said to thee, if ye believe not that I AM, you will die in your sins" Jn. 8:24. If in Mat. 22:23-32 JESUS said in the Resurrection there is neither marriage nor giving in marriage but thou shall be like the angles. Why do you believe Joseph Smith's sealed marriage in the Resurrection instead of what JESUS said? Why do you believe Joseph, you will be Gods if JESUS said we will be like angles? who do you believe in JC or JS? Who did you give a testimony for your beliefs.
They lied to the world: "Did they also tell you that we have no professional clergy? All of us contribute our time, our talents, our means, and travel-all to help the work. And we’re not paid for it in money.’” (Boyd K. Packer, Duties and Blessings of the Priesthood: Basic Manual for Priesthood Holders, Part B, Lesson 30: Tithes and Offerings, 251-256, 2000) 1Pet.5 [2] Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre "You can buy anything in this world with money." - Lucifer
Quote out of context. He is referring to the tens of thousands of unpaid lay clergy worldwide. It is well known that a 30 year old mission president with a family is going to need a living allowance to support his family while he works 100+ hours a week to serve in that calling. He wasn't saying that full-time church positions don't have a living allowance.
Amen to your last paragraph, that’s why you see all sort of Christian pastors and other non Christian church leaders all around live glamorous lives, and using tithes for personal uses. It’s sickening… regarding your comment about Boyd K Packer, it’s like saying you’re only saved by works and not by faith alone according to James 2. For both, the context is missing 🫶🏽
@@inChristalone1960 you have 200 billion dollars in the coffers but still demand 10% from the poor. Insurance companies, shopping malls and real estate worth billions but the satanic cult need more. Mormons are of this world and it's all about money. Very little JESUS and HIS WORD, but lots of Joseph and his BoM. Your testimony is about your cult being true, a stone seer is a so called true prophet and his Captain Kidd sequel is true. Mine is GOD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST and HIM crucified who was risen on the third day. "Before Abraham was, I AM" Jn. 8:58.
@@inChristalone1960 LOL your LDS corporation has 300 billion dollars hoarded away, shopping malls, Insurance Companies, hectors of land sitting idol and you say LDS is generous.
There won't be a reply because Russell M Nelson would have been a bigger household name if he'd stayed in the medical field. Whenever anyone brings up that these men make money, I laugh. You could add three more zeros to the end of whatever he gets paid and I wouldn't take the weight of that job.
nah, surgeons don't become household names. you're just lying at this point. his job as a surgeon is great but as a prophet is priceless@@vegasmando5307
That’s not really the point is it? The narrative of a lay ministry is the point. Of creating an illusion of a “volunteer” ministry. Which is not the case nor has it been the case since its founding. I don’t really care if they pay the twelve a salarie. I just would like to see transparency and also that we are honest in how we explain it. The labourer is worthy of his hire and his pay so let’s be transparent about that.
To correct your last statement: Your speculation is that he is paid as prophet of the church. Nope! He is paid as president of the church. He runs a global organization that is taxed on it's income and is compensated for such. As prophet he makes nothng. All donated money goes for what it is intended.
Excellent! Thanks for the research on this topic. $250K is my round number. The Q15 also receive free cars with a driver. Switched out every 3 years. My source is my mom who worked in the “great and spacious building “! So much of their life is comped. For example, ladies from his stake provide housekeeping- it’s an honor to serve. s/
@@rickhuntling7338 Hey, in Brigham's day they to be ready to let their daughters fluff the brethren's pillows and enjoy the very liberal divorce policies in the territory...
@@papasteph3226They married 13 and 14 years old children, so get over your holier than thou self-righteousness. Your acceptance of the pedophilia stone seer's crimes on innocent children, says allot about your unrighteous beliefs and disgusting morality. Would you allow Joseph to wed and bed your child of 13 or 14? I'm guessing you would if it was Joseph Smith lusting over your child. He is who you believe in and his fairytale Book of Mormon you give testimony to.
Oh they get a lot more than that. Including so many perks. Probably cars, drivers, travel, vacations, expenses, family members’ education, security, assistants, secretaries, ghost writers, medical, insurance, etc. And of course no paying of any tithing.
What are you agreeing with do u know that as a fact? Mr Nelson was one of the worlds top heart surgeons in his time. People are quick to believe any lies told them.
what's wrong with explicit perks? better than hard cash right? more manageable. also the prophet can pay tithing but as a member for 50+ years, I think he can take a break
What are you thinking. You said they have cars, drivers, travel, vacations, expenses, family members’ education, security, assistants, secretaries, ghost writers, medical, insurance, etc. They would get those things, TO DO CHURCH WORK. And they don't get medical insurance they are all on Medicare.
@@harshitgarg419did you know he turns 100 years old in September? Instead of retiring on the beach and taking lavish vacations, he gives everything waking minute to serving, lifting, blessing anyone within his influence, and helping them to trust Jesus Christ. (members or not). He is a noble, selfless, humble man. He knows ANY day he will be standing before God to give an accounting for his life. I love him. ❤️☀️His soul is a giant among men.
I was taught my whole life that everyone in the church volunteers and is not paid. I even taught this on my mission. I was lied to and I continued to spread that lie. I want others to have more information than I did so they can make informed decisions.
I don't understand your problem. I am 78 and I have always known that the general authorities were paid for their work because their job in the church is full time. They do not have the time to have another full time job. Nobody lied to you!! You never asked. All other positions we have we have time to hold down a full time job. Even a bishops as busy as he is still has time to hold down a full time job. Stop trying to be a snake in the church. @@Glass-Looker
It's significant because they lied to the world: "Did they also tell you that we have no professional clergy? All of us contribute our time, our talents, our means, and travel-all to help the work. And we’re not paid for it in money.’” (Boyd K. Packer, Duties and Blessings of the Priesthood: Basic Manual for Priesthood Holders, Part B, Lesson 30: Tithes and Offerings, 251-256, 2000) 1Pet.5 [2] Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre "You can buy anything in this world with money." - Lucifer
Its not the salary that bothers me so much as it is the lack of transparency in church finances. If i am paying tithing I want to see where it goes. I am fine going to building upkeep or travel or church schools. I am not fine it going to apple stock or malls. Show where it is and where the lord spends it.
If it is invested, it is following the parable of the talents. The church makes a higher percentage of income from wise investments that you would make. It goes back into the church funds. Remember Joseph and the 7 years of plenty and then famine? Watch this space.
@@lesgraham7722 that fine but don't keep it hidden. I understand investments etc. but don't hide it from the members contributing. I doubt Jesus would tell those that donate to not look behind the curtain. If the church is getting SEC fines, members should know why, what funds exist, what investments are being made, etc.
They publicly disclosed the source of funds and purpose behind the purchase of the commercial property adjacent to temple square. They did not use tithing principle, but did use interest income from investments to fund it. They said all of that ahead of time for transparency sake.
It's my understanding that none of the Lord's commandments are conditional as to why He specifically, at any point in time, wants me to keep them. I've never asked why. Commandments aren't bargained for exchanges. They aren't 'deals'. I don't consider that my trust and faith in Him requires him to explain His undoubtedly limitless reasons. I only need to be sure of my own reasons. His ways are perfect. He is the source and personification of all love and He has no other purposes for anything He does other than to bring about my (our) everlasting joy and happiness. The fundamental reason I must tithe and also strive to keep the letter and the spirit of every commandment only has to be because I promised I would. I've entered all of His covenants. He is my perfect creator, master, Savior and King. The most valuable thing I own and have complete free will and choice to absolutely, entirely control is what I want to do with my integrity. I am so thankful I don't have to analyse, evaluate and guess what His covenants and commandments need to specifically provide to me in return - in order to make a decision as to which commandments I'm going to keep and which ones I, in my ignorance, determine are not worth keeping. I tithe because the Lord commands it. Once the money is out of my hands, regardless of what the church does with the money, I have kept my promise, my covenants and His commandment. Except for my God, His church and my wife, every penny I use elsewhere requires a good reason(s) that I get something of value in exchange for it. But God, church and wife has always been, far and away, the best money I've ever spent. It makes no difference to me what the recipients did with it. I kept my promise. If I give money to a beggar asking for food or gas, I have no Idea whether that is what it will be truly used for. It doesn't matter. In His mortal ministry, Christ didn't give,help, love, perform miracles, or do or give anything to anyone conditionally as to what they would do with it after he provided to them. If I were looking to find ways out of His church, I would probably start by looking for reasons not to keep His commandments, not to trust His anointed, not to believe His word, etc. I would probably then start my own church -with a television ministry, a mega church stadium meeting place, ask for tithes and donations, and wind up in jail for tax evasion and money laundering.
You know what they say about assuming... right? You attribute total revenue of book sales directly to Pres. Nelson, too, despite Deseret Book being the actual publisher and distributor of the books. And, if he were to receive additional compensation from book sales that come from voluntary purchase from members and non-members alike, how is that incriminating of him? We don't even know that he is or isn't making anything additional off book sales. Could very well be that whatever the leaders (all paid equally) receive as a living allowance is all they receive regardless of book sales. Proceeds could then be used for further investment into the reserves for the church and other functions. I'd imagine if I had book sales that equated the books authored by Pres. Nelson have totaled, I'd be making more than any calculations you've projected here. And, that would be just book sales alone, not counting any of the decisions he makes that influence the billions managed through investments, charities, actual church properties, and education. If anyone is getting a raw deal for what he's compensated, it's him - no the tithe-paying members of the church. Especially since whatever our general authorities are paid doesn't come from one cent of tithes and offerings.
@@patricianoel7782 - 17.5M members with every single ministering position - other than an extremely small percentage of church in General Authority callings - is unpaid. It's more true that leadership in the LDS Church is unpaid than it would be to say we have a paid ministry. Maybe 140-150 receive a stipend that's not even covered by what members pay in tithes (rather profits from investments including stocks, land, for-profit businesses managed by the church). That's .008% of members of the church. Which is essentially the same percentage of those called to Minister in the church. Considering local leaders (Bishops, Stake Presidents , Relief Society Presidents) and Sunday School, Primary teachers, Youth Leaders, etc are not paid, we cand still safely say unpaid ministry. ... each local and many regional and missionary roles are ministry roles similar to those other Christian churches pay people for ...
Once a person's needs are met, it's less important is how much they make. What's more important is what they (and we) do with what we make. Are we using all of our time and resources to lift others, help the earth, promote peace, and create? Or are we spending our time and resources for personal pleasures and consumption? I agree we need to make sure to better distribute wealth so those lacking can have the opportunity to grow personally and create good in the world. I just hope all of us learn to better use what we have to make the world a better place.
How many of the Brethren do or did foster-care? How many were willing to step into occupations that were less lucrative? It seems the seats in the synagogue go to people that have made a little money and earned a little worldly acclaim more so than those that did good, "using all of (their) time and resources to lift others, help the earth, promote peace, and creat(ing)..."
This Church gives away nearly $1B per year to third-world poverty and global disaster relief. This man and 14 others are incharge of that fund. Last year they have away over $1.3B. "How great the wisdom and the love!" ❤
@@rconger24 And how do the scriptures teach us they are supposed to function? Have you even read the scriptures in the last decade? How did King Benjamin and King Mosiah live? Did they receive a "living stipend" that is double what a family needs to live in the valley? The church simply follows the pattern of the past. Maybe if you spent more time in the scriptures you would see that pattern for what it is. But according to you, all is well in Zion. Zion prospereth, all is well.
Well he will give back to the church one tenth of his annual income but knowing President Russell he will give other personal freewill donations to other good causes that the Church supports
Just like Brigham Young did with all of his interest free loans he took from the Bishops storehouse even as the church was taking out loans from back east? Or the rest of the brethren from that time period? Brigham had more in common with King Noah than with Alma.
@@kathypetersen2447 Well, I see problems with the corporate LDS church, but I still find truth and beauty in the Restoration. There is this (very common) logical fallacy (that has been curated, might I add) that if you believe the Book of Mormon to be true, you also must believe in the LDS church as an institution. I think that sentiment is false, though. You can believe in the Bible without being Catholic and you can believe in Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon without being LDS. I fall into both those camps. Non-denominational Mormon. I am not a member of any group, sect, or church, but I hold the Book of Mormon as scripture. I hope this helped.
You really think they get paid that much? You are not very informed. They get very little for working 18 hour days and running a world-wide organization. Pretty amazing they get so little.
Guys he was a surgeon and then called of god, the church makes most it's money from farm land not from tithing. Being an apostle or prophet is a lot of work and travelling so of course they derserve a little bit, compared to what he used to make as a surgeon 170,000 is nothing, and the charity he does with most of this money is incedrible.
Why does it matter what he used to do? If he was poor, would your views change? No, of course not. His career provided him ample opportunity to save for retirement, and as a smart man, I'm sure he did. What charity does he do with his own money, I have never heard about that?
@@bipolarrambling242 He has given all sorts of money to charity before and while he is a prophet with his own money. He has given over 100,000 dollars to brain research and healthcare aid to struggling countries. he also has the church donate over a billion dollars a year to different organizations
@@ranchgoeswitheverything9478 I can't find anything about Nelson personally giving money, but I do really hope that's true. The church did not donate a billion dollars a year. It donated a billion dollars total over 23 years, and then when news broke of how appallingly rich they are they suddenly claimed to give one billion that year alone. Investigations have shown this figure was made up mostly by counting volunteer hours, as well as members donating goods. They COULD give a billion a year. They could give even more than that. But no, they do not at present.
That's a major pay cut from the salary of a heart surgeon. The church is a multi-billion dollar organization. CEO's of multi-billion dollar organizations typically get paid millions per year. A low six figure salary is nothing.
@@rickhuntling7338 I applaud the service of the Baptist ministers. However, we are indeed talking about apples and oranges here. Apostles are called out from the world to serve for life. It's not a one year term. It's a full time job for the rest of their lives. They don't volunteer, or petition to be elected. They are called. They don't have time to work for money as an apostle. They must give up their careers which is a sacrifice and likely a pay cut. Perhaps some of them are independently wealthy and don't need money but those that do get paid certainly are not doing it for the money.
@@alexblake5743 your apostles not Mainstream's because we have the only Apostles writings by the eye witnesses. The Freemason have their grand masters in the 33rd degree and Josph Smith plagerized all the Luciferian aprons, vows of death and secret hand shakes into his cult. You can call them what you wan't but they have no place in the True Body of CHRIST. LOL prophets that can't prophesy much less become little gods of their own creation. Gal. 1:8 included Moroni, Joseph and your so called 12 men on top the Ponzi Scheme. Alex, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in buying. I finance it to you for 10% of your gross pay before taxes , for life.
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Most heart surgeons retire around age 60-65. Nelson was called to be an apostle at age 60, so it wasn't really a pay cut. He receives his fat retirement check plus his salary from the Church while the Church preaches that there is no paid ministry. If somebody receives a retirement check, and has most likely accumulated some good wealth as a heart surgeon in the US, I don't understand why he receives a Church salary in the 6 digits on top of that. What would Jesus do?
We thank thee O God for the members tithing. I was a missionary, I sold everything I own to on the mission. I support my self for two years. Missionary do not get paid. Why do the leaders??😢😢😢 I don't know why, 😕 I am one of many sexual abuse victims of the Scouting Leadership. NO ONE CARES, NO ACCOUNTABILITY, NO ONE SAID " We are sorry this happened to you children.We should have listened to you children. 😢 😢😢😢😢
Brent I do not think you understand the point of being a missionary. Why would we want to be paid to spread the truths of this latter days? Also I think if you had a truly successful mission, you would not be bickering about the lack of pay, and instead on the blessings you received. I am sorry for what happened in scouting but that was not a problem in the church scout troops?
@@fistdude6596 "Why would we want to be paid to spread the truths of this latter days?". Now ask the same question , but replace "we" with "The Prophet". Can you see the problem now? He is independently wealthy, having had a successful job for many, many years. He would have ample retirement funds. Why is he literally getting richer off of spreading the gospel?
We serve Missions for the Lord and his children and not to gain profit. Everything that is done for the Lord is blessed by him and therefore all of us are blessed because of the service of God's leaders especially the service of our true prophet of God Russell M. Nelson. God blesses his children as they obey his commandments and are faithful to him. We are all blessed because of it. Blessings will come as you remain faithful. Of that I have no doubt. I have seen the lord's hand in my life and I am thankful for the guidance he gives me through our prophet. Best wishes to you. Don't loose the Faith my brother.
@brentwooden7995- If you were called to be a full time missionary for the rest of your life and not pursue a paying career, with no option to retire until you pass away, you would most certainly be offered a stipend for your living expenses, just as the Twelve and First Presidency and the Prophet are. When they are called they give up their careers to serve full time for the rest of their lives. Some may have enough saved up from their careers and other investments that they decline the stipend. President Monson was only 36 when he was called, which seems pretty young to retire from a career paycheck. I don't know if he accepted a stipend or not, but very few people could retire at 36 and support their families for the rest of their lives for the next 60 or so years until they die. Could you? Paying for and serving your 2-year mission was a sacrifice, but it was only 2 years, not the rest of your life.
Your right because you won't be caught up to HIS throne in the Rapture of the Bride; Isa. 26:19-21, 1st. Thess. 4:14-18, 5:9, 2nd Thess. 2:1-7, Rev.6:11, 12:5-12, Jude 14, Zech. 14:15, Mat. 24:36-42. Why? Because your a foolish virgin in a unbiblical cult.
When the Lord returns will He find faith on the Earth, or just hoards of goods and bank accounts? Do they believe that the Lord can provide? Do they care about the suffering here? These are questions that matter. Do you remember the parable of the man who had his barns ful of goods, and the Lord is dismayed with him. He said " this night l will require your soul of you!" Will the mark of the beast be required to access all those many many billions of funds? What is truly valuable? What we give or what we recieve?
When Jesus set his disciplines apart as apostles they gave everything they owned away and lived off the good will of everyone that received them, they were fed and put up for the night wherever they stayed so from that standpoint we are supposed to feed the prophet and apostles and are blessed for doing so through tithes and offerings.
I feed myself on less than a fifth of what they get; they're living off the stock market and doing a terrible job of keeping children safe. Not Jesus-approved.
Yeah I'll gladly counter these people commenting how horrible these great, selfless men are by getting a "salary" by saying I give permission for every last cent of all my tithing paid over my 50 years of life on this miserable planet to go directly into the pockets of the prophet and apostle.
@@vegasmando5307 no it went to shoping malls, Insurance Companies, real estate and 200 billion in cash. Don't pay the 10% you're not worthy until you do pay and your skin turns white. Your church is equal to Los Angles sales tax with nothing to show for it but white washed empty buildings with Freemason symbolic garbage.
If you keep reading the scriptures you will find that Jesus then changed those instructions, "35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luke 22:35-36 KJV It is the most current revelation that is applicable to our time that we are to follow.
He is almost the sole boss of a $100+ billion corporation. He has benefits like housing near temple square as well. His total outwardly seen pay is only a fraction of his wealth.
Billions! (however I guess you could tie it into the "parable of the talents") If so then they are doing very good! (The church used to actually be very poor). Now they can at least help others (and their members) if the country ever fails or goes bk.
you realize those things provide jobs for people right??? better than handing out money to those who don't put any effort into helping themselves. Not sure where your problem comes from?@@rickhuntling7338
He gave up his life to be the prophet, I'm surprised that he doesn't make a little more, the cost of security alone must take a huge chunk of his check!
One of the apostles is a billionaire yet he serves the church full time until he dies never retiring to enjoy his billion dollars. There is huge ignorance involved when haters and critics claim the church leaders are "paid" large sums of money. It is just not true. My household income is more than the President Nelson's and I am not a world-renowned heart surgeon. I will also retire at 65.
I don't understand why GA that are retired are earning that much money when we say there is no paid ministry. Pretty good life with their retirement money plus at least 120,000 Dollars on top of that. Easy to preach people that they should pay tithing first before buying food for their families.
priestcraft as it has been defined is a condemnation of intent (to get gain and praise, and not for the welfare of Zion), and not about an individual receiving support. Living stipends are not compensations for service, but recognition of a practical reality that individuals who dedicate their full time to Church service are sometimes unable to simultaneously provide for their own modest living needs. This is not all church leaders, only those who leave their jobs to work Full time in service to the church. (i.e. different form church employees). Some other scriptures to help with understanding: D&C 51: 13-14; D&C 42: 71-73; 2 Nephi 26:31;
I don't know anything about whomever posted this video but you are confused. Take a closer look at the picture at the start of the video. He is wearing a nice enough suit but it certainly isn't terribly expensive. Look at the watch on his wrist. It is a Timex, similar to the one I wear as a simple farmer that isn't concerned about having expensive things. Maybe you should be more concerned about your own eternal future instead of worrying about something that most members of the church don't even care to think about. Active participation in the gospel principles is by our own free will and choice. Paying tithing is a personal situation between a person of any religion and the Lord.
Our prophet will be 100 years old in September 2024---let's let that sink in for a little bit while considering the staggering load he carries as leader of a world wide church that generously contributes to numerous charities and other good causes. Even with that, the very fact remains that is he is an example of an honorable man of integrity who is a disciple of Jesus Christ.
Your charity is not equivalent to Mainstream with 200 billion held in secret. Many denominations far exceed the crumbs you toss out as charity. Get over yourself. Is a private Insurance Co. helping the poor? How about a shopping mall? Or 200 billion sitting in banks and the stock market? Is that a good cause? Your Russell is not a desciple of JESUS CHRIST believing him only a created being not the creator. Salvation is not being a member of the LDS multi billion dollar corporation but it is belief in GOD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.
I am a foster-parent dealing with trauma abused children. I did not need to be "called" to not be selfish and I do not get a six figure living stipend for them.
Russel has no portion in the Kingdom of GOD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. He agrees with the adulterate stone seer that the WORD is corrupted, and the Gospel needed his reforms; Gal. 1:8.
Do we even know if these men take what is offered to them? Pennies of what they gave up, and yes they have bills need to be paid. Sort of a nothing burger video. Go out and do some good instead of bashing Jesus.
You mean Mormons in general or the leaders of the LDS church? I consider myself a non-denominational Mormon, because of all the corruption I see at high levels in the church.
They live the law of consecration, where all earnings go to the church, so he makes money to live, to pay for his home, food and taking care of his minor dependents. Cool, what’s the crazy thing about it 🤷🏽♂️
That's an aweful lot of speculation on income of a guy that is a retired, world renowned heart surgeon, inventor of the heart lung machine that probably still pays royalties and that owns a few houses outright already and rarely takes a vacation or has a reason to spend disposable income. If you were trying to piss off low income folks that may never see that much money from their mechanic job in their lifetime,.... Okay maybe you will piss those guys off but I doubt President Nelson spends his income frivolously.. He's at the top of his earthly game with income from books atc. Sounds like he's being reimbursed fairly to me.
You never read is autobiography. It clearly states being a hear surgeon did not make him wealthy... I wish my living stipend for doing good and sacrificing the way the Savior did, one at a time, included a 6 figure salary.
He essentially owns the church according to the church's "charter" or legal foundation. Its very much a capitalist arrangement with one person controlling it all despite the protestations of every single "member". Membership should count for something, and I really don't know what it gets you in the church, but it should give you an equal voice. I doubt Nelson would go on a crazy spending spree, but he could. Given the lack of transparency we really would have no way of knowing if he had.
@@nute742 Teachers in Utah are trying to get $60K/ a year to live on and raise families on... Maybe if the brethren were better with their own finances they would not need such large salaries.
@@Veevslav1 The principle of a school probably makes 100k + (my relative who teaches 1st grade makes about this). Only the few top brothers get a stipend. They don't get summers off either (or state pension). I think Joel Osteen gets far more! (lol). I agree though teachers should get more (or at least not be required to pay taxes) etc.
@@nute742 "12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: 23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. 24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: 25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it." 1 Corinthians 12:12-26 21 And others will he pacify, and lull them away into carnal security, that they will say: All is well in Zion; yea, Zion prospereth, all is well-and thus the devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell. 22 And behold, others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is none-and thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverance. 23 Yea, they are grasped with death, and hell; and death, and hell, and the devil, and all that have been seized therewith must stand before the throne of God, and be judged according to their works, from whence they must go into the place prepared for them, even a lake of fire and brimstone, which is endless torment. 24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion! 25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well! 2 Nephi 28:21-25 8 districts are now paying 1st year teachers 60k a year starting. Others are still not. As for the summer vacation, have you considered what teachers are now dealing with? Record numbers of teachers are leaving the field early. Government garbage combined with bad snowplow parenting and incompetent administration... But what do I know. All is well in Zion according to you... All is well. It matters not that the church has more in common with the Nehors than with the Church established by Alma.
They consecrated all off their wealth to the church and it was given them back in return for only their living allowance. You should know people off some other faiths about the law of consecration in the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Whoa! Just a moment or two! Explain to me why and how the very same Bible LDS teach from (KJV) has thousands upon thousands of faith groups and denominations all over the globe. Do all roads lead to Christ? Clearly the thousands of denominations have very differing beliefs and very few actually get along with one another! Some baptize and some do not baptize. Some sprinkle children and babies. The Book of Mormon teaches that all young children who die in infancy are immediately saved with Christ. How about that for a loving Jesus Christ!! I have read the Book of Mormon more times than I can count on my fingers and toes. I continue to be blessed by daily study of the Gospel. Every person should read the Book, of Mormon and then pray to ask God for a witness of it's truth! We do not and will not "brainwash" anyone. Pray and ask Christ if the Book of Mormon is true. Pretty simple.
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@@zoeorchid , did they lie about it? Just because other people practice it, doesn't mean it is right. Did they deceive many people? And start a church based on deception? U can't compare Joseph Smith to the great men of the bible.
It's all speculation, because he / they have unrestricted access to billions of dollars. They would tell you it's confidential, secret, and/or "sacred." But for ye members, ye must continue to ante up if ye ever hope for any kind of exaltation. Follow the profit.
They actually make WAY more than this. Nelson and the Apostles are on the managerial boards of several lucrative businesses owned by the church (worth $130 billion), which has separate salaries and bonuses. He is making a TON OF MONEY
Why don't you share with us which managerial boards they each serve on and just how much they draw from their board responsibilities. Please share with us since you are so well informed.
That's not how that works. This is well known in the Church. These guys don't personally hold the assets from these endeavors. They have to assign their personal estate over to the Church. It doesn't mean there aren't other methods of corruption, but what you're saying isn't accurate. With your name being truth seeker you should at least attempt some intellectual honest as to whether you know how these things work before you claim to.
Not true. They are not paid through board of directorships at this time. Years ago, their stipend was funded this way but no longer. They were never paid more than $120K a year, which is a very small amount of money compared to other people in similar jobs in churches and nonprofits. The president of the Red Cross (a non-profit) is paid millions.
@@blizzard2oo The church should open the records to the membership. Make it available to be questioned. That includes public companies. Far too often we give the church a pass because it is the "business side" of the Church... The business side of the church has become the church. They compromised their morals for filthy lucre.
@@tylerhall95 What a load of speculative drivel. When did this policy supposedly begin? The brethren have been confronted on this subject many times. The most poignant claim I heard was that if they were in the private sector they would be making a lot more money than the "living stipend"... To which I lol'd. I would have gotten a lot more money if I had not served an LDS mission, that I paid for,if I had stayed in the private sector. Hypocrisy. If they want to serve and enjoy a living stipend they can survive on what a missionary gets monthly and live in rented apartments like missionaries. Let me ask a question my wife asks me, when did the covenant path cut right through the middle of the great and spacious building? Let me ask a question I have been asking, why does the church not follow the teachings of the Book of Mormon?
And ----- with taxes taken out, with none of his 10 children living at home for any deductions, he probably has around 175,000 to actually live off of (ok, not including any retirement money from being a heart surgeon). With around 50 grand children & around 100 great grand children to remember birthdays for, he probably has around 75,000 left to do something with. Actually, as a retired heart surgeon, he may not take any pay at all, but just living expenses, hard to know. But, we do know he does not show up to conference in a new million dollar sports car, or wear $10,000 suits. Nor does he have time to go on long, lavish vacations.
President Nelson is a retired surgeon who gave up his incredible, illustrious career for the ministry. He is one of the most selfless men who ever lived. I'm not sure what you are trying to do here, but please more wisely spend your time investigating people who really deserve to be criticized, like sex criminals or politicians who are bought by big pharma or other organizations. This humble man deserves nothing but respect.
This is not a criticism of President Nelson. This is an attempt at estimating his pay from the Church so members can be better informed. Viewers can decide for themselves if his pay is justified or not.
@@Glass-Looker - They do not receive compensation. However, plenty of people who work for the church outside of the ministry surely receive pay just like they would at any ordinary job in the world.
@Glass-Looker If you're poor what strength do you have to help others? This Church gives away nearly $1B / year to third-world poverty and global disaster relief. Would you have that stop? Last year was over $1.3B. Can an organization do THAT from a position of weakness?
@@rconger24 - I'm not too sure which point you think you're making. Every dime of the church is used to build church houses of worship, temple buildings, for media efforts to spread the word, and accomplishing charity endeavors in countless worthy places on earth. And the money comes from members who pay tithing. No paid ministry exists. The strength exists in what the church accomplishes. Faithful members involve themselves in one way or another with the goals and purposes of the church. Nobody is twisting their arm. It's entirely voluntary.
LOL, your stone seer and Young said the Mainstrean Church is the apostate, lost in the church of babylon, LDS is the last true church in the later days, salvation is through the LDS church exclusively, our Bible is corrupted if not interpreted by the LDS properly and our Gospel needs reformation by an adulterate stone seer with a "reformed gospel". You're a hypocrite according to JESUS "do what I say not what I do" LOL. Your talking points to the LDS congregation don't fare well when Mainstream is the victim not you. We know how you condemned us then on the other side of your double mindedness you attach yourself to us when you knock on our doors. Your taught to lie and decieve and we were warned of you; Gal. 1:8.
The early membership of the Church was always looking for more truth and light. Why did we stop searching when Brigham became prophet and the brethren chose to pursue profits? Learn a little church history. Get some Hugh Nibley books. Ask some questions. Read the BOOK OF MORMON. Quit treating it lightly "because all is well in Zion, Zion prospereth, all is well." QUIT BEING A LAZY LEARNER! DO the SEARCHING, DO the PONDERING, Do the PRAYING!
@@Veevslav1 I personally forever thank GOD the Eternal HEAVENLY FATHER and HIS WIFE, GODDESS our beloved HOLY Eternal HEAVENLY MOTHER, for (restoring) THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, back on earth.
@@Veevslav1 Prophet's of: THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS: ADAM-MALACHI-JOSEPH SMITH-NELSON. Scriptures of, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS: BIBLE, BOOK of MORMON, DOCTRINES & COVENANTS, & PEARL of GREAT PRICE.
He doesn't need anyone's money he manages quite well on his own money is it jealousy a wasted emotion you can be a top surgeon and be a millionaire too give ot a go😅
having funds provided by a company or organization to eat or travel is not a salary. businesses provide travel expenses. those are not part of an employees salary. same here. he worked and paid for his own possessions. God bless President Nielsen
That's cool to see that they aren't doing this for the money. Love it. I'm grateful for President Nelson and for a lifetime of service. I would love to see the data regarding the church books. I know many general authority church authors and almost all of them donate their proceeds from book sales. This isn't public and I'm sure they wouldn't want credit for doing this. But I love good people doing good things.
All the leaders were very successful outside of the church and could have made much more money staying in their respective careers (MD, Lawyers, business owners). CLEARLY they are not in it for the money. Those who say otherwise are letting their own bias and bitterness taint their judgement.
You all do know he was a world class heart surgeon before he joined his ministry. Not only would he be paid tons more, he would now be in retirement at this point and not have to trek across the globe at his old age. I understand issues within the church, but to make a youtube video about this is ridiculous. The guy has to live and he hasn't had a job outside of the church for 40 years. Pick something else to make a video about, my hell.
I want to guess that because he lives the higher law, he gives everything to the church and then the church gives him this amount to live on. That's how consecration works, so as a successful surgeon, this should be a net loss from retirement and other forms of income. I can't help but notice the envy in all of these comments about money from people who may have not served the Lord a fraction of his collective service. Some people can't see through the hot air. This man is already a historical figure in the medical realm.
People should worry about their own business and not those of our church leaders. Jealousy seems to be a big factor and also they don't like the church and they complain about everything.
And .... Michelle Obama, got $25 million up front, when her book was released, before the surety of any sales. In the business world, with the hours these authorities work, they would get 2 to 5 times more in pay. All I know is, when I pay my tithe, I get blessed, no matter how much money any GA gets paid or spends on things; plus, the church is not in debt anywhere, that is a good place to be with where things are headed.
I heard 200 billion but people they send missionaries are going hungry, their children die. But your church numbers increase so the books look like your growing. Are you really going to demand 10% from the poor sitting on 200 billion.
Little known fact, every prophet gets a gold toilet seat, a private jet, and a fleet of Bentleys, one for each day of the month. Its what keeps them motivated to demand tithing from members. When I used to go to church, I knew one of the fleet maintenance workers in my ward. He told me all the secrets they don’t want you to know. Totally broke my shelf.
😂 so It is not important if they lie to us. Anyway they have their second annointed, they can do snything but killing or denying the holly gosth ( they can be pedophiles and still getting the exaltacion)
Actually, for overseeing an organization that spans the globe and has millions of members, $250 grand is a pretty damn good deal! Have you heard him speak?
I've heard him speak and don't appreciate his direction when he won't advocate background checks in the U.S. wing of Mormondom. I don't appreciate members being told the word that describes my family history going back to Nauvoo (Mormon) is now a slur on par with the N word. If Jesus is coming, it is not to lead the Church but to clean it out like moneychangers in the temple and hang some millstones around a few necks (reference to scripture about the little ones).
@@haroldwhite5761there will be many exposed and they will sadly perish. It’s horrible but they’re getting the judgement they deserve. Basically the scriptures where it says “It will be worse for you than him” because they knew the gospel.
So, basically you are saying that IF he chooses to take the living allowance then he receives a small fraction of what he would have made. Also, I know a GA who was a business executive that became very wealthy due to the valuation of the stock of his company skyrocketing. He retired and serves full time. Many of these brethren that serve decline the living allowance if they do not need it. None of these brethren have sought the positions they now hold. They were called of God. Those that are asked to leave their vocation and source of income behind for full time church service should appropriately receive a living allowance. Many of them served 20-30 hours a week on top of their vocation for many years in local leadership positions that are unpaid. If they were motivated by money, they wouldn't be in full time church service.
My husband is a plastic surgeon. While he runs a small hospital in the city center, our monthly income is in the millions. However, Nelson is a globally renowned doctor. Typically, when doctors of his caliber retire, many prestigious hospitals scout them and offer astronomical salaries along with incentives tied to the hospital's overall revenue. If Nelson hadn't given up his profession, the money he would have earned by now would have been tens of times more than his current salary. I deeply appreciate his service, and my husband, as a fellow doctor, holds Nelson in high regard.
Your husband's monthly income is in the "hundreds of millions?"
Hundreds of millions 💀
Yeah "hundreds of millions" ?😂😂
But that's on a really bad month.😉😉.lol
Rob,,Yorkshire,,uk
Yeah "hundreds of millions" ?😂😂
But that's on a really bad month.😉😉.lol
Rob,,Yorkshire,,uk
@@caydenthompson126 she is lying , that’s what Mormons do .
He is the President of a corporation worth at least 150 Billion dollars. He might only get “paid” that much but he can get whatever he wants whenever he wants it. A lot of really smart people would pick that option over a high paying salary any day.
But Russell is spiritually bankrupt. He doesn't believe in GOD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, HIS Gospel or the inerrancy of HIS WORD.
I want to see a video showing how much the LDS church donates compared to other evangelical or Christian denominations. For example, according to the US Revenue Department, in 2023, the LDS Church donated $1.2 Billion. Can we see how much other religions donate in comparison?
Exactly!
@Glass-Looker can you help us out here?
Not much. If you look at the actual donations, most of it is “in kind,” not actual dollars. They count things like the monetary cost of their voluntary labor and even every canned veg they give to their worshippers from their food stores. It’s surprising to me when people bring this up. Do you not know that the church gives very little in monetary donations compared to many other churches or that they boost their total by nickel and dimming what they consider “donations” it’s a scam on every level.
@@deniecedavis-xh2ikI don’t quite understand are you saying that $1.2B is not much or you can’t find out what other religions donate? You know the $1.2B is actual money that the IRS sees, right? Is not the billions of hours service members donate, that’s another exception field that is reviewed.
Have the US Revenue Department made that claim? Again, I'd like you to tell me where to find that, because I am doubtful. So far as I'm aware that figure came from internal reports.
As a non member I often get this “thrown” at me with a holier than thou attitude - “our leadership, bishops, stake presidents are NOT paid clergy. They simply offere their service”. Ok then. If the high up leadership is supposed to be an example, why are they paid, and an exorbitant amount at that?
I think they should be more clear about this. The truth is that they are paid from the profits of the investment companies that are owned or affiliated with the church, not from members tithing
@michelehunt7234 All full-time employees of the church are paid, some more, some less, depending on their contribution and the the market rate for such services. Compare President Nelson's assumed salary in this video to that of any CEO of an organization of 17,000,000 people and see how it compares; or just take the assumed salary of a leader of some other large church. Many evangelists make millions.
@@Mike-nq7fn& the investment companies are purchased with tithing money.... So profits from those companies & the companies are all from member tithing
Do you realize there is an at best inaccurate assumption in the question? Not an exorbitant amount. He would have made far far more if he retired as he was. He was called to serve and instead of jetting around the world for site seeing, he put in 70hours per week and just saw the inside of church buildings on weekends. His wife goes with him.
The New Testament Twelve also lived the "all things in common" covenant .
@@Mike-nq7fn you're ignorant or stupid if you think the investments are not from people's tithing. But you are Mormon
So you think the prophet is serving to get money?
He gave up years of doing heart surgery, to fulfill a calling and work that he will never get released from.
How many millions of dollars in tithing and fast offering do you think he has paid to the Lords church?
To think he is serving for money is funny to me.
well for decades they put up a pretty good front that they were all doing it for absolutely free and that turned out to be a steaming pile of horseshit, so I don't think they deserve the benefit of doubt on the issue.
Yeah, he gave up his life to be the prophet, I'm surprised that he doesn't make a little more, the cost of security alone must take a huge chunk of his check!
It's about being open, honest and transparent.
@@grabbagool the devil , does not work for free . Its not just the money , don’t forget power .
@@grabbagool they’ve never put up a front saying they do it for free, where did you get that from?
So, is th I s a criticism? I dont get the point. His whole existence is for the lord. Ceo's of major corporations take home 10's of millions and don't do a fraction of what the prophet does in a year. Bless him for his devotion to us and to the lord.
What exactly does he do for you?? I’ve yet to here them actually prophise anything and only use that weird voice to talk more spiritual then say something that you would say to a 5 year old like they are really the only ones that know that 😂🤮. It’s so crazy how easily people can be indoctrinated. Ex: JS had many prophecies that didn’t happen ( look it up) what the hell anyone tells themselves he was marrying 14 year olds and married woman who’s HUBBY’s were alive( all documented) but some won’t look it up because the “church” said it’s anti Mormon so you get in big trouble again - the TRUTH can be hid by those who only follow blindly! The church(lol) The Bible it can stand on its own! Interesting JESUS never mentioned anything that this man made load of BS church says and they are getting PAID to take your salvation!
This video does not attempt to determine if his pay is appropriate or not, only to provide an estimate for those seeking information.
Oh but the church has always stated we do not have a paid ministry! We do but just not the peons at the bottom of the fish tank!
These funds come from proceeds of the investment arms of the church, not tithing
well where did the money to invest into those investment arms initially come from if not tithing?
@@grabbagool that's why he joined the cult, he's that stupid.
From. Investments, not tithing.
@@randycolclough5203 typical stupid Mormon to say the original funds came from nothing. But you have to be stupid to believe your adulterate stone seer dug up golden plates and got the BoM staring at stone with his face stuffed in his hat.
I sincerely do not believe church leaders "lead or manage" for the money. If they did, they are not paid nearly enough! I thank them for their leadership, love, and service!
They thank you for your blind trust and 10% of your gross pay before taxes. It's a wide path they're leading you down and it doesn't end well.
Ask any of them to donate their belongings to someone else in need and walk away from it all and wait for the Lord to provide for their needs to be met. See how many of them can do it?
I have…and I didn’t get a stipend from the church for it either.
God bless.
@@mollyedwards7494 well this video is not even a good effort to understand how this all works. These guys DO have to sign over their personal estate and belongings to the Church. They are not paid on these book sales either - they go to the Church. Now whether or not I think selling such books or what they do with the money is awesome and what Jesus would do... that's a separate question. However, these guys have objectively donated their belongings.
@@mollyedwards7494 You have given 40 years of your life to the service of God? You have walked away from multi-million dollar post career opportunities? I don't believe your statement of "I have..." You are tooting your own horn, which none of those in Church leadership have ever done.
Hi Molly,,
Well Said,,& True..what does a man get paid for ?? Should it not be an honour to be teaching his faith ?Well ok then give him expenses?😂😂🙏🙏
Thanks,all the best
Rob,,Yorkshire,UK
This stipend that the Prophets and Apostles have is an allowance. It cannot be spent to buy or acquire property and how it was spent must be reported and accounted for every month. Considering the millions they would have had if they retired and did not serve as Church leadership, I must say that they truly are living the Law of Consecration.
Pastors live in million dollar mansions with private jets and take luxurious trips for a vacation. Did you see any prophet or apostle take one? They travel often but they do not have those privileges and often travel for their ministry.
Ignorance and conflict bred by bitter exmos who wants what they want and not what the Lord wants as well as antis who will never have the true light of God in their hearts will twist anything to make theirselves feel comfortable in the muck.
Typical LDS liar including men of GOD in Prodestant churches in with the thieves of the likes Baker and Hinn. If you think your 12 aren't flying 1st class or in the Business jets owned by LDS corporate businesses, than its no wonder you were stupid enough to join "the power of Lucifers priesthood".
Typical anti-bible LDS teaching. GOD had Jeremiah buy land for a reassurance HE would return them to the land. Land ownership and inheritance is in the books of Moses. You're a blind antichrist Mormon that doesn't know the light, you comprehend HIM not.
The WORD of GOD isn't "MUCK", you blasphemy the HOLY SPIRIT and the power of GOD. How's that BoA read going for you? Have you ever heard of the Rosetta Stone? I know Joseph never heard of it.
JESUS said before Abraham was, I AM, the Jews knew JESUS said He was YHWH speaking from the burning bush, why don't you know who HE is? JESUS said to the Pharisee if you believe not that "I AM" you will die in your sins. It's not looking good for you son. No Mormon teenager is going to baptize you out of hell, the rich man was on the other side of an impassable divide according to JESUS. What part of impassable did the adulterate stones seer not comprehend? Jn.8:24, 58
JESUS said there is no marriage or giving in marriage in the Resurrection. Joseph Smith said it's one of the highest salvation requirements. who do you believe JESUS or Joseph? One is a liar, which one do you believe in?
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Do you know what the church executives do from day to day? You sure these guys aren't living it up in luxury while traveling the world?
@@DropoutJerome dude they can barely walk well... I'm sure they would be too tired to chase luxury. Also, you have no evidence to the contrary. I rest my case.
Sorry guys, but God's Church needs to support those that give up their livelihood and become Missionaries Full Time in this Tax Defined Charitable Organization.
Objective Logic declares that The Law of Tithing is an essential Doctrine in Christ's True Church according to the Bible.
You've highlighted the practical nature of Jesus Christ's True Church. Thank you and God bless.
As I understand, when you're called to be an Apostle you live the law of consecration. These men where at the top of their career fields of labor. The 'proof' you have found would be a cut in pay and mostly cover expenses as they travel the world sharing love with all people.
They do not pay for that travel. They chose to serve God in the latter stage of life, having had successful careers and made more than sufficient money. Why are Prophets and Apostles paid for a job that missionaries PAY to do? I don't recall Jesus, nor any of the Apostles, ever being paid.
They are often called well before retirement without any warning and it’s more than a full time job. To expect them to have enough savings and retirement to last the rest of their life is unfair. Missionaries generally have many years to prepare and save, they may get help from family and sometimes the ward if needed to go on a mission and it’s only 2 years.
@@totlybatty If they have sufficient money, should they still get paid?
They do not live the law of consecration, general authorities have given details in the past and they keep all their properties.
@@dr33776 I am not sure that I understand what you mean. The law of consecration doesn’t mean that you share your house with people or you have to give it up. You still need a roof over your head.
😂😂😂😂 you almost got me guys 😂
"For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." See Matt 6:19-21
Rusty is making more than 5 times as much as an average person just off of being a "prophet" in a time of scarcity. Does that sound like the mouthpiece of the one who said "lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth"?
He was making much more as a heart surgeon, but he stepped-away from that career to serve the Church, so I don't think he serves for the money.
Yes it does.. when you realize he gave up his retirement and his savings and lives on less than 1/4 of the AVERAGE income of a heart surgeon (his career he gave up to serve the church). He was a leader in the field- would have easily been making way more than 1MM a year for decades. He would have millions in the bank and could retire in the most lavish of locations if he didn't give it up to serve the church. Also, when you consider that the leader of any other organization worth 150B would easily be making BILLIONS of dollars- and he takes home a measly 190K - Less than any doctor, lawyer, executive manager, programmer, business owner, or consultant.. He doesn't have a stockpile of billions of dollars anywhere - he will likely leave his children with little inheritance.. Your envy is astounding.
@@forceman911 Lol "my envy." Why do Morms always go to personal attacks? I can't just be wrong, I have to have a major personality flaw. Your culture is based on shaming and gaslighting others into conformity.
That said, Rusty would have retired from being a surgeon 30+ years ago, and all the years of 6 figure stipends and many other benefits (free housing, free transportation, free healthcare, etc) he's gotten since the 80s, when you stack all that against the additional 10 years pay he would have had as a surgeon, would probably have not been as drastic a difference as you implied. Even if it had been, inside sources have revealed being a Gen authority is basically a cushy paid retirement where you're also an adored celebrity. His enormous ego (we know he has one based on his exaggerated lies about himself, like his disproven airplane story) would have made that kind of transition conceivably tempting.
But all of that discussion is actually a distraction from what matters. The point is they're making way more than most of the hard working members whose tithes they live off of, and they pretend leaders aren't paid, and there is nothing Christlike or honest about any of that. Christ's biblical church basically taught leaders to not care about money at all. It's a scam.
@ScottJB Your accusations are unjust but consistent with Revelation 12: 10,11 "day and night". If the devil is the father of lies then what would he want people to know about the greatest Truth on the earth? Would he recruit others to lie for him? How? What would that look like?
I have a doctor friend. His brother is also a doctor. My friend wanted his brother to move to the same town he lived with in. His brother determined that if he moved he would only make $400,000 a year. He decided to stay where he was at because he didn’t want the cut in pay. This was 20 years ago. With his experience as a world-class heart surgeon I’m certain that President Nelson retired as a millionaire. I doubt very much that he gets a salary from the Church.
Spin it and justify it how you will. The brethren are more like Nehorites. "(D)eclaring unto the people that every priest and teacher ought to become popular; and they ought not to labor with their hands, but that they ought to be supported by the people."
I find it equally interesting that prophecy is fulfilled a multitude of times. Why do we have a fast offering and tithing? What is the declared purpose of tithing?
JST Genesis 14:38 "Him whom God had appointed to receive tithes for the poor."
Repeating prophecy:
"32 Yea, it shall come in a day when there shall be churches built up that shall say: Come unto me, and for your money you shall be forgiven of your sins.
33 O ye wicked and perverse and stiffnecked people, why have ye built up churches unto yourselves to get gain? Why have ye transfigured the holy word of God, that ye might bring damnation upon your souls? Behold, look ye unto the revelations of God; for behold, the time cometh at that day when all these things must be fulfilled.
34 Behold, the Lord hath shown unto me great and marvelous things concerning that which must shortly come, at that day when these things shall come forth among you.
35 Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing.
36 And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts; and there are none save a few only who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquities; and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts.
37 For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted."
Mormon 8:32-37
I have a testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon. I can no longer sustain the brethren of the Church. Maybe if you spent time studying more history and actually reading church books you would feel the same. "Approaching Zion" by Hugh Nibley stands out to me. Look up hotels and read on.
@@Veevslav1 fruit of thy loins 7 times in three verses in Gen. 50 is a pedophia stone seer's writing himself into 3500 year old WORD of GOD. The style is in a preverse writing style for sure NOT inspired by the HOLY SPIRIT. My GOD speaks the end from the beginning LDS believe Joseph is allowed to insert himself after his conjob to substantiate his lie.
He mutilated Jn. 1:1 and will be judged and burned for his blasphemy.
I can't believe idiots accept this demonic translation by the adulterate stone seer.
@@Veevslav1 I feel the same, which is a large chunk of the reason I'm a non-denominational Mormon now.
the dollar figures they are talking about are nothing...100K 200k...this is peanuts...
There will always be critics. There always has been. People will see what they want to see and no amount of evidence if put before them would convince them otherwise. Best just to let them get on with it and let them find happiness in this ........ and save your energy focus on what is good x
Ex members are nuts get your heads checked 😂
Not much, considering how much the Church takes in with tithing and fast offerings. He made MUCH more than that when he was a heart surgeon.
How much did he make as a heart surgeon?
There was stupid me thinking they served out of the kindness of their heart
So President Nelson could have made literally millions and gave it up to make middle class wages and never retire and work 12+ hours a day. Wow you need to adjust your view.
The Prophet and Apostles do a lot of traveling, who do you think pays for that. We will probably never be able to realize what financial benefits past, present, and future prophets and apostles could have made/willl make, But don't you think they would need to be compensated for their travels, and other expenses?
@@peckandabushel3065 Typical for LDS Corporation to not be upfront with what they pay the top of the Ponzi scheme. You need to believe in GOD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST instead of your failed false prophet Joseph Smith.
Russell has several luxury homes, millions in the bank and lives off poor people's tithing.
You need to kick your LDS Kool Aid addiction.
Tell me peckerbush, If JESUS says "before Abraham was, I AM, so the Jews picked up stones to kill him" Jn. 8:58. Who do you believe? JESUS, who the Jews knew JESUS said HE is YHWH or Joseph who said JESUS is satan's older brother? It's important, "I said to thee, if ye believe not that I AM, you will die in your sins" Jn. 8:24.
If in Mat. 22:23-32 JESUS said in the Resurrection there is neither marriage nor giving in marriage but thou shall be like the angles. Why do you believe Joseph Smith's sealed marriage in the Resurrection instead of what JESUS said? Why do you believe Joseph, you will be Gods if JESUS said we will be like angles?
who do you believe in JC or JS? Who did you give a testimony for your beliefs.
They lied to the world:
"Did they also tell you that we have no professional clergy? All of us contribute our time, our talents, our means, and travel-all to help the work. And we’re not paid for it in money.’” (Boyd K. Packer, Duties and Blessings of the Priesthood: Basic Manual for Priesthood Holders, Part B, Lesson 30: Tithes and Offerings, 251-256, 2000)
1Pet.5
[2] Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre
"You can buy anything in this world with money." - Lucifer
My story ua-cam.com/users/liveQ9sU5xov3KI?si=kDq0nKcO1Frt2Jbf
And that, friend, is one reason I'm a non-denominational Mormon now.
Quote out of context. He is referring to the tens of thousands of unpaid lay clergy worldwide. It is well known that a 30 year old mission president with a family is going to need a living allowance to support his family while he works 100+ hours a week to serve in that calling. He wasn't saying that full-time church positions don't have a living allowance.
Amen to your last paragraph, that’s why you see all sort of Christian pastors and other non Christian church leaders all around live glamorous lives, and using tithes for personal uses. It’s sickening… regarding your comment about Boyd K Packer, it’s like saying you’re only saved by works and not by faith alone according to James 2. For both, the context is missing 🫶🏽
How much did Osteen,Haggee or Duplantis receive?.
Why does it matter, they work for the same lord as the so called LDS prophets. The only difference is they don't wear his green apron.
@@inChristalone1960 you have 200 billion dollars in the coffers but still demand 10% from the poor. Insurance companies, shopping malls and real estate worth billions but the satanic cult need more. Mormons are of this world and it's all about money.
Very little JESUS and HIS WORD, but lots of Joseph and his BoM. Your testimony is about your cult being true, a stone seer is a so called true prophet and his Captain Kidd sequel is true. Mine is GOD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST and HIM crucified who was risen on the third day.
"Before Abraham was, I AM" Jn. 8:58.
Hinn, Osteen, Haggee and Duplantis are not Christians. They are treasure digging conmen just like Joseph was.
that's your standard? your prophet (who doesn't make prophesy) is more modest than a crooked televangelist?
@@inChristalone1960 LOL your LDS corporation has 300 billion dollars hoarded away, shopping malls, Insurance Companies, hectors of land sitting idol and you say LDS is generous.
Ever considered what Russell Nelson gave up as a surgeon? I’ll wait for your reply.
There won't be a reply because Russell M Nelson would have been a bigger household name if he'd stayed in the medical field. Whenever anyone brings up that these men make money, I laugh. You could add three more zeros to the end of whatever he gets paid and I wouldn't take the weight of that job.
@@vegasmando5307amen.
nah, surgeons don't become household names. you're just lying at this point. his job as a surgeon is great but as a prophet is priceless@@vegasmando5307
That’s not really the point is it? The narrative of a lay ministry is the point. Of creating an illusion of a “volunteer” ministry. Which is not the case nor has it been the case since its founding. I don’t really care if they pay the twelve a salarie. I just would like to see transparency and also that we are honest in how we explain it. The labourer is worthy of his hire and his pay so let’s be transparent about that.
@@vegasmando5307🤣🤣🤣
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To correct your last statement: Your speculation is that he is paid as prophet of the church. Nope! He is paid as president of the church. He runs a global organization that is taxed on it's income and is compensated for such. As prophet he makes nothng. All donated money goes for what it is intended.
Transparency is best.secrets breed suspicion
You were either a committed LDS or you're not!
I would give everything own the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints. With knowing all I have been given in blessings from the Lord.
Excellent! Thanks for the research on this topic. $250K is my round number.
The Q15 also receive free cars with a driver. Switched out every 3 years. My source is my mom who worked in the “great and spacious building “!
So much of their life is comped. For example, ladies from his stake provide housekeeping- it’s an honor to serve. s/
Serve? You can work out your works based salvation with a mop and a bucket. " grace after all we can do" cleaning toilets,
@@rickhuntling7338 Hey, in Brigham's day they to be ready to let their daughters fluff the brethren's pillows and enjoy the very liberal divorce policies in the territory...
@@Veevslav1 in Brigham's day they were fluffing more than pillows.
@@rickhuntling7338You just revealed more about yourself with that comment than anyone needs to know.
@@papasteph3226They married 13 and 14 years old children, so get over your holier than thou self-righteousness. Your acceptance of the pedophilia stone seer's crimes on innocent children, says allot about your unrighteous beliefs and disgusting morality. Would you allow Joseph to wed and bed your child of 13 or 14? I'm guessing you would if it was Joseph Smith lusting over your child. He is who you believe in and his fairytale Book of Mormon you give testimony to.
Oh they get a lot more than that. Including so many perks. Probably cars, drivers, travel, vacations, expenses, family members’ education, security, assistants, secretaries, ghost writers, medical, insurance, etc. And of course no paying of any tithing.
I agree with you 100%
What are you agreeing with do u know that as a fact? Mr Nelson was one of the worlds top heart surgeons in his time.
People are quick to believe any lies told them.
what's wrong with explicit perks? better than hard cash right? more manageable. also the prophet can pay tithing but as a member for 50+ years, I think he can take a break
What are you thinking. You said they have cars, drivers, travel, vacations, expenses, family members’ education, security, assistants, secretaries, ghost writers, medical, insurance, etc. They would get those things, TO DO CHURCH WORK. And they don't get medical insurance they are all on Medicare.
@@harshitgarg419did you know he turns 100 years old in September? Instead of retiring on the beach and taking lavish vacations, he gives everything waking minute to serving, lifting, blessing anyone within his influence, and helping them to trust Jesus Christ. (members or not).
He is a noble, selfless, humble man. He knows ANY day he will be standing before God to give an accounting for his life.
I love him. ❤️☀️His soul is a giant among men.
Why are you so concerned about how much the Prophet earns? Who cares!!!
I was taught my whole life that everyone in the church volunteers and is not paid. I even taught this on my mission. I was lied to and I continued to spread that lie.
I want others to have more information than I did so they can make informed decisions.
I don't understand your problem. I am 78 and I have always known that the general authorities were paid for their work because their job in the church is full time. They do not have the time to have another full time job. Nobody lied to you!! You never asked. All other positions we have we have time to hold down a full time job. Even a bishops as busy as he is still has time to hold down a full time job. Stop trying to be a snake in the church. @@Glass-Looker
Ya, on my mission we would down play that they were hardy getting anything for their efforts, little did we know. Took till age 50 to see the scam.
It's significant because they lied to the world:
"Did they also tell you that we have no professional clergy? All of us contribute our time, our talents, our means, and travel-all to help the work. And we’re not paid for it in money.’” (Boyd K. Packer, Duties and Blessings of the Priesthood: Basic Manual for Priesthood Holders, Part B, Lesson 30: Tithes and Offerings, 251-256, 2000)
1Pet.5
[2] Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre
"You can buy anything in this world with money." - Lucifer
@@user-ss9iy5lp3o Gaslighter
And your point is?
One problem with this these people own their own homes.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I own my home .... not sure where you are going with this.
Non-prophet org
I could not disagree more with the substance of that statement...but I'll admit it is a clever play on words.
Its not the salary that bothers me so much as it is the lack of transparency in church finances. If i am paying tithing I want to see where it goes. I am fine going to building upkeep or travel or church schools. I am not fine it going to apple stock or malls. Show where it is and where the lord spends it.
If it is invested, it is following the parable of the talents. The church makes a higher percentage of income from wise investments that you would make. It goes back into the church funds. Remember Joseph and the 7 years of plenty and then famine? Watch this space.
@@lesgraham7722 that fine but don't keep it hidden. I understand investments etc. but don't hide it from the members contributing. I doubt Jesus would tell those that donate to not look behind the curtain. If the church is getting SEC fines, members should know why, what funds exist, what investments are being made, etc.
That sort of thing bugs me, too, and it's part of the reason I'm a non-denominational Mormon now.
They publicly disclosed the source of funds and purpose behind the purchase of the commercial property adjacent to temple square. They did not use tithing principle, but did use interest income from investments to fund it. They said all of that ahead of time for transparency sake.
It's my understanding that none of the Lord's commandments are conditional as to why He specifically, at any point in time, wants me to keep them. I've never asked why. Commandments aren't bargained for exchanges. They aren't 'deals'. I don't consider that my trust and faith in Him requires him to explain His undoubtedly limitless reasons. I only need to be sure of my own reasons. His ways are perfect. He is the source and personification of all love and He has no other purposes for anything He does other than to bring about my (our) everlasting joy and happiness. The fundamental reason I must tithe and also strive to keep the letter and the spirit of every commandment only has to be because I promised I would. I've entered all of His covenants. He is my perfect creator, master, Savior and King. The most valuable thing I own and have complete free will and choice to absolutely, entirely control is what I want to do with my integrity. I am so thankful I don't have to analyse, evaluate and guess what His covenants and commandments need to specifically provide to me in return - in order to make a decision as to which commandments I'm going to keep and which ones I, in my ignorance, determine are not worth keeping. I tithe because the Lord commands it. Once the money is out of my hands, regardless of what the church does with the money, I have kept my promise, my covenants and His commandment. Except for my God, His church and my wife, every penny I use elsewhere requires a good reason(s) that I get something of value in exchange for it. But God, church and wife has always been, far and away, the best money I've ever spent. It makes no difference to me what the recipients did with it. I kept my promise. If I give money to a beggar asking for food or gas, I have no Idea whether that is what it will be truly used for. It doesn't matter. In His mortal ministry, Christ didn't give,help, love, perform miracles, or do or give anything to anyone conditionally as to what they would do with it after he provided to them. If I were looking to find ways out of His church, I would probably start by looking for reasons not to keep His commandments, not to trust His anointed, not to believe His word, etc. I would probably then start my own church -with a television ministry, a mega church stadium meeting place, ask for tithes and donations, and wind up in jail for tax evasion and money laundering.
You know what they say about assuming... right? You attribute total revenue of book sales directly to Pres. Nelson, too, despite Deseret Book being the actual publisher and distributor of the books. And, if he were to receive additional compensation from book sales that come from voluntary purchase from members and non-members alike, how is that incriminating of him? We don't even know that he is or isn't making anything additional off book sales. Could very well be that whatever the leaders (all paid equally) receive as a living allowance is all they receive regardless of book sales. Proceeds could then be used for further investment into the reserves for the church and other functions. I'd imagine if I had book sales that equated the books authored by Pres. Nelson have totaled, I'd be making more than any calculations you've projected here. And, that would be just book sales alone, not counting any of the decisions he makes that influence the billions managed through investments, charities, actual church properties, and education. If anyone is getting a raw deal for what he's compensated, it's him - no the tithe-paying members of the church. Especially since whatever our general authorities are paid doesn't come from one cent of tithes and offerings.
All this is good and well if… they didn’t constantly brag that they have no paid ministry.
@@patricianoel7782 - 17.5M members with every single ministering position - other than an extremely small percentage of church in General Authority callings - is unpaid. It's more true that leadership in the LDS Church is unpaid than it would be to say we have a paid ministry.
Maybe 140-150 receive a stipend that's not even covered by what members pay in tithes (rather profits from investments including stocks, land, for-profit businesses managed by the church). That's .008% of members of the church. Which is essentially the same percentage of those called to Minister in the church. Considering local leaders (Bishops, Stake Presidents , Relief Society Presidents) and Sunday School, Primary teachers, Youth Leaders, etc are not paid, we cand still safely say unpaid ministry.
... each local and many regional and missionary roles are ministry roles similar to those other Christian churches pay people for ...
Once a person's needs are met, it's less important is how much they make. What's more important is what they (and we) do with what we make. Are we using all of our time and resources to lift others, help the earth, promote peace, and create? Or are we spending our time and resources for personal pleasures and consumption? I agree we need to make sure to better distribute wealth so those lacking can have the opportunity to grow personally and create good in the world. I just hope all of us learn to better use what we have to make the world a better place.
The earth can't be helped.
How many of the Brethren do or did foster-care? How many were willing to step into occupations that were less lucrative? It seems the seats in the synagogue go to people that have made a little money and earned a little worldly acclaim more so than those that did good, "using all of (their) time and resources to lift others, help the earth, promote peace, and creat(ing)..."
This Church gives away nearly $1B per year to third-world poverty and global disaster relief. This man and 14 others are incharge of that fund. Last year they have away over $1.3B.
"How great the wisdom and the love!" ❤
@@rconger24 And how do the scriptures teach us they are supposed to function?
Have you even read the scriptures in the last decade?
How did King Benjamin and King Mosiah live? Did they receive a "living stipend" that is double what a family needs to live in the valley?
The church simply follows the pattern of the past. Maybe if you spent more time in the scriptures you would see that pattern for what it is.
But according to you, all is well in Zion. Zion prospereth, all is well.
Well he will give back to the church one tenth of his annual income but knowing President Russell he will give other personal freewill donations to other good causes that the Church supports
Just like Brigham Young did with all of his interest free loans he took from the Bishops storehouse even as the church was taking out loans from back east? Or the rest of the brethren from that time period? Brigham had more in common with King Noah than with Alma.
It's partially because of stuff like this that I am now a non-denominational Mormon.
I am trying to learn more... what is a non-denominational Mormon?.
@@kathypetersen2447 Well, I see problems with the corporate LDS church, but I still find truth and beauty in the Restoration. There is this (very common) logical fallacy (that has been curated, might I add) that if you believe the Book of Mormon to be true, you also must believe in the LDS church as an institution.
I think that sentiment is false, though.
You can believe in the Bible without being Catholic and you can believe in Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon without being LDS. I fall into both those camps.
Non-denominational Mormon. I am not a member of any group, sect, or church, but I hold the Book of Mormon as scripture.
I hope this helped.
You really think they get paid that much? You are not very informed. They get very little for working 18 hour days and running a world-wide organization. Pretty amazing they get so little.
@zoe
There is always an army if accusers out there.
Without His Church, How will you become perfect in Christ?
Guys he was a surgeon and then called of god, the church makes most it's money from farm land not from tithing. Being an apostle or prophet is a lot of work and travelling so of course they derserve a little bit, compared to what he used to make as a surgeon 170,000 is nothing, and the charity he does with most of this money is incedrible.
Why does it matter what he used to do? If he was poor, would your views change? No, of course not. His career provided him ample opportunity to save for retirement, and as a smart man, I'm sure he did. What charity does he do with his own money, I have never heard about that?
@@bipolarrambling242 He has given all sorts of money to charity before and while he is a prophet with his own money. He has given over 100,000 dollars to brain research and healthcare aid to struggling countries. he also has the church donate over a billion dollars a year to different organizations
@@ranchgoeswitheverything9478 I can't find anything about Nelson personally giving money, but I do really hope that's true.
The church did not donate a billion dollars a year. It donated a billion dollars total over 23 years, and then when news broke of how appallingly rich they are they suddenly claimed to give one billion that year alone. Investigations have shown this figure was made up mostly by counting volunteer hours, as well as members donating goods. They COULD give a billion a year. They could give even more than that. But no, they do not at present.
@@ranchgoeswitheverything9478The church absolutely does not give that much money. Search up "the widow's mite LDS".
To get closer to the Lord--"Give us more money so we can build more Temples. "
That's a major pay cut from the salary of a heart surgeon. The church is a multi-billion dollar organization. CEO's of multi-billion dollar organizations typically get paid millions per year. A low six figure salary is nothing.
The President of the Sothern Baptist Conference accepts no salary. This is LDS fat orange compared with the little or no apple.
@@rickhuntling7338 I applaud the service of the Baptist ministers. However, we are indeed talking about apples and oranges here.
Apostles are called out from the world to serve for life. It's not a one year term. It's a full time job for the rest of their lives. They don't volunteer, or petition to be elected. They are called. They don't have time to work for money as an apostle. They must give up their careers which is a sacrifice and likely a pay cut.
Perhaps some of them are independently wealthy and don't need money but those that do get paid certainly are not doing it for the money.
@@alexblake5743 your apostles not Mainstream's because we have the only Apostles writings by the eye witnesses. The Freemason have their grand masters in the 33rd degree and Josph Smith plagerized all the Luciferian aprons, vows of death and secret hand shakes into his cult. You can call them what you wan't but they have no place in the True Body of CHRIST. LOL prophets that can't prophesy much less become little gods of their own creation.
Gal. 1:8 included Moroni, Joseph and your so called 12 men on top the Ponzi Scheme. Alex, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in buying. I finance it to you for 10% of your gross pay before taxes , for life.
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Most heart surgeons retire around age 60-65. Nelson was called to be an apostle at age 60, so it wasn't really a pay cut. He receives his fat retirement check plus his salary from the Church while the Church preaches that there is no paid ministry. If somebody receives a retirement check, and has most likely accumulated some good wealth as a heart surgeon in the US, I don't understand why he receives a Church salary in the 6 digits on top of that. What would Jesus do?
We thank thee O God for the members tithing. I was a missionary, I sold everything I own to on the mission. I support my self for two years. Missionary do not get paid. Why do the leaders??😢😢😢 I don't know why, 😕 I am one of many sexual abuse victims of the Scouting Leadership. NO ONE CARES, NO ACCOUNTABILITY, NO ONE SAID " We are sorry this happened to you children.We should have listened to you children. 😢 😢😢😢😢
Brent I do not think you understand the point of being a missionary. Why would we want to be paid to spread the truths of this latter days? Also I think if you had a truly successful mission, you would not be bickering about the lack of pay, and instead on the blessings you received. I am sorry for what happened in scouting but that was not a problem in the church scout troops?
@@fistdude6596 "Why would we want to be paid to spread the truths of this latter days?". Now ask the same question , but replace "we" with "The Prophet". Can you see the problem now? He is independently wealthy, having had a successful job for many, many years. He would have ample retirement funds. Why is he literally getting richer off of spreading the gospel?
@@fistdude6596 So why does President Nelson get paid? Or area authorities? Or mission presidents?
We serve Missions for the Lord and his children and not to gain profit. Everything that is done for the Lord is blessed by him and therefore all of us are blessed because of the service of God's leaders especially the service of our true prophet of God Russell M. Nelson. God blesses his children as they obey his commandments and are faithful to him. We are all blessed because of it. Blessings will come as you remain faithful. Of that I have no doubt. I have seen the lord's hand in my life and I am thankful for the guidance he gives me through our prophet. Best wishes to you. Don't loose the Faith my brother.
@brentwooden7995- If you were called to be a full time missionary for the rest of your life and not pursue a paying career, with no option to retire until you pass away, you would most certainly be offered a stipend for your living expenses, just as the Twelve and First Presidency and the Prophet are. When they are called they give up their careers to serve full time for the rest of their lives. Some may have enough saved up from their careers and other investments that they decline the stipend. President Monson was only 36 when he was called, which seems pretty young to retire from a career paycheck. I don't know if he accepted a stipend or not, but very few people could retire at 36 and support their families for the rest of their lives for the next 60 or so years until they die. Could you? Paying for and serving your 2-year mission was a sacrifice, but it was only 2 years, not the rest of your life.
A church that knows how to prepare for the coming hard times.
Your right because you won't be caught up to HIS throne in the Rapture of the Bride; Isa. 26:19-21, 1st. Thess. 4:14-18, 5:9, 2nd Thess. 2:1-7, Rev.6:11, 12:5-12, Jude 14, Zech. 14:15, Mat. 24:36-42. Why? Because your a foolish virgin in a unbiblical cult.
When the Lord returns will He find faith on the Earth, or just hoards of goods and bank accounts?
Do they believe that the Lord can provide?
Do they care about the suffering here?
These are questions that matter. Do you remember the parable of the man who had his barns ful of goods, and the Lord is dismayed with him. He said " this night l will require your soul of you!"
Will the mark of the beast be required to access all those many many billions of funds?
What is truly valuable?
What we give or what we recieve?
When Jesus set his disciplines apart as apostles they gave everything they owned away and lived off the good will of everyone that received them, they were fed and put up for the night wherever they stayed so from that standpoint we are supposed to feed the prophet and apostles and are blessed for doing so through tithes and offerings.
I feed myself on less than a fifth of what they get; they're living off the stock market and doing a terrible job of keeping children safe. Not Jesus-approved.
Yeah I'll gladly counter these people commenting how horrible these great, selfless men are by getting a "salary" by saying I give permission for every last cent of all my tithing paid over my 50 years of life on this miserable planet to go directly into the pockets of the prophet and apostle.
@@vegasmando5307is this sarcasm?
@@vegasmando5307 no it went to shoping malls, Insurance Companies, real estate and 200 billion in cash. Don't pay the 10% you're not worthy until you do pay and your skin turns white. Your church is equal to Los Angles sales tax with nothing to show for it but white washed empty buildings with Freemason symbolic garbage.
If you keep reading the scriptures you will find that Jesus then changed those instructions, "35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luke 22:35-36 KJV It is the most current revelation that is applicable to our time that we are to follow.
He is almost the sole boss of a $100+ billion corporation. He has benefits like housing near temple square as well. His total outwardly seen pay is only a fraction of his wealth.
We thank thee O God for our profits.
Billions! (however I guess you could tie it into the "parable of the talents") If so then they are doing very good! (The church used to actually be very poor). Now they can at least help others (and their members) if the country ever fails or goes bk.
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@@harshitgarg419 no the kitty meant 200 billion in cash plus stocks, Insurance corporations, plublishing houses, shopping malls and real estate.
you realize those things provide jobs for people right??? better than handing out money to those who don't put any effort into helping themselves. Not sure where your problem comes from?@@rickhuntling7338
He gave up his life to be the prophet, I'm surprised that he doesn't make a little more, the cost of security alone must take a huge chunk of his check!
One of the apostles is a billionaire yet he serves the church full time until he dies never retiring to enjoy his billion dollars. There is huge ignorance involved when haters and critics claim the church leaders are "paid" large sums of money. It is just not true. My household income is more than the President Nelson's and I am not a world-renowned heart surgeon. I will also retire at 65.
You don't have to obey the cult brother. Get out and save you, your family and your soul before its too late.
Which one is a billionaire? None of them. Come on now.
I don't understand why GA that are retired are earning that much money when we say there is no paid ministry. Pretty good life with their retirement money plus at least 120,000 Dollars on top of that. Easy to preach people that they should pay tithing first before buying food for their families.
Those that are financially independent typically decline the living allowance. It is there for those that still need income for living expenses.
priestcraft as it has been defined is a condemnation of intent (to get gain and praise, and not for the welfare of Zion), and not about an individual receiving support. Living stipends are not compensations for service, but recognition of a practical reality that individuals who dedicate their full time to Church service are sometimes unable to simultaneously provide for their own modest living needs.
This is not all church leaders, only those who leave their jobs to work Full time in service to the church. (i.e. different form church employees).
Some other scriptures to help with understanding: D&C 51: 13-14; D&C 42: 71-73; 2 Nephi 26:31;
Does this mean he is paid more than Joel Osteen and Kenneth Copeland?
I don't know anything about whomever posted this video but you are confused. Take a closer look at the picture at the start of the video. He is wearing a nice enough suit but it certainly isn't terribly expensive. Look at the watch on his wrist. It is a Timex, similar to the one I wear as a simple farmer that isn't concerned about having expensive things. Maybe you should be more concerned about your own eternal future instead of worrying about something that most members of the church don't even care to think about. Active participation in the gospel principles is by our own free will and choice. Paying tithing is a personal situation between a person of any religion and the Lord.
Our prophet will be 100 years old in September 2024---let's let that sink in for a little bit while considering the staggering load he carries as leader of a world wide church that generously contributes to numerous charities and other good causes. Even with that, the very fact remains that is he is an example of an honorable man of integrity who is a disciple of Jesus Christ.
Your charity is not equivalent to Mainstream with 200 billion held in secret. Many denominations far exceed the crumbs you toss out as charity. Get over yourself. Is a private Insurance Co. helping the poor? How about a shopping mall? Or 200 billion sitting in banks and the stock market? Is that a good cause?
Your Russell is not a desciple of JESUS CHRIST believing him only a created being not the creator. Salvation is not being a member of the LDS multi billion dollar corporation but it is belief in GOD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.
I am a foster-parent dealing with trauma abused children. I did not need to be "called" to not be selfish and I do not get a six figure living stipend for them.
Russel has no portion in the Kingdom of GOD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. He agrees with the adulterate stone seer that the WORD is corrupted, and the Gospel needed his reforms; Gal. 1:8.
If you listen when he speaks, parcel tung !😮😂
Do we even know if these men take what is offered to them? Pennies of what they gave up, and yes they have bills need to be paid. Sort of a nothing burger video. Go out and do some good instead of bashing Jesus.
what a profi!
I can't wait tell you guys face the judgement seat
You mean Mormons in general or the leaders of the LDS church? I consider myself a non-denominational Mormon, because of all the corruption I see at high levels in the church.
Why ate you doing this? You are only speculation. I don't believe you at all.
They live the law of consecration, where all earnings go to the church, so he makes money to live, to pay for his home, food and taking care of his minor dependents. Cool, what’s the crazy thing about it 🤷🏽♂️
This video does not comment on whether his pay is appropriate or not. It only seeks to estimate his income so interested parties are informed.
@@Glass-Lookerwell, the “interested” parties will have erroneous calculations based on that poor guesstimate 👌🏽
That's an aweful lot of speculation on income of a guy that is a retired, world renowned heart surgeon, inventor of the heart lung machine that probably still pays royalties and that owns a few houses outright already and rarely takes a vacation or has a reason to spend disposable income. If you were trying to piss off low income folks that may never see that much money from their mechanic job in their lifetime,.... Okay maybe you will piss those guys off but I doubt President Nelson spends his income frivolously.. He's at the top of his earthly game with income from books atc. Sounds like he's being reimbursed fairly to me.
You never read is autobiography. It clearly states being a hear surgeon did not make him wealthy... I wish my living stipend for doing good and sacrificing the way the Savior did, one at a time, included a 6 figure salary.
He essentially owns the church according to the church's "charter" or legal foundation. Its very much a capitalist arrangement with one person controlling it all despite the protestations of every single "member". Membership should count for something, and I really don't know what it gets you in the church, but it should give you an equal voice. I doubt Nelson would go on a crazy spending spree, but he could. Given the lack of transparency we really would have no way of knowing if he had.
He is paid $170,000 per year.
If you live in Utah (it doesnt go as far as it use to!) Real-estate prices are up $$$
@@nute742 Teachers in Utah are trying to get $60K/ a year to live on and raise families on... Maybe if the brethren were better with their own finances they would not need such large salaries.
@@Veevslav1 The principle of a school probably makes 100k + (my relative who teaches 1st grade makes about this). Only the few top brothers get a stipend. They don't get summers off either (or state pension). I think Joel Osteen gets far more! (lol). I agree though teachers should get more (or at least not be required to pay taxes) etc.
@@nute742 "12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it."
1 Corinthians 12:12-26
21 And others will he pacify, and lull them away into carnal security, that they will say: All is well in Zion; yea, Zion prospereth, all is well-and thus the devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
22 And behold, others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is none-and thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverance.
23 Yea, they are grasped with death, and hell; and death, and hell, and the devil, and all that have been seized therewith must stand before the throne of God, and be judged according to their works, from whence they must go into the place prepared for them, even a lake of fire and brimstone, which is endless torment.
24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!
25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!
2 Nephi 28:21-25
8 districts are now paying 1st year teachers 60k a year starting. Others are still not. As for the summer vacation, have you considered what teachers are now dealing with? Record numbers of teachers are leaving the field early. Government garbage combined with bad snowplow parenting and incompetent administration...
But what do I know. All is well in Zion according to you... All is well. It matters not that the church has more in common with the Nehors than with the Church established by Alma.
Thank you!
They consecrated all off their wealth to the church and it was given them back in return for only their living allowance. You should know people off some other faiths about the law of consecration in the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
He is a so called prophet 😅GOD is Great. U only need the bible. Your so called prophets change with the times.
Whoa! Just a moment or two! Explain to me why and how the very same Bible LDS teach from (KJV) has thousands upon thousands of faith groups and denominations all over the globe. Do all roads lead to Christ? Clearly the thousands of denominations have very differing beliefs and very few actually get along with one another! Some baptize and some do not baptize. Some sprinkle children and babies. The Book of Mormon teaches that all young children who die in infancy are immediately saved with Christ. How about that for a loving Jesus Christ!! I have read the Book of Mormon more times than I can count on my fingers and toes. I continue to be blessed by daily study of the Gospel. Every person should read the Book, of Mormon and then pray to ask God for a witness of it's truth! We do not and will not "brainwash" anyone. Pray and ask Christ if the Book of Mormon is true. Pretty simple.
@@blizzard2oo, black curse theory, Adam God theory, blood atonement theory. The word of God the bible is all u need. God is great. He is worthy to be praised.😇😇😇😇😇HAVE a blessed life 💜💜💜
Polygamist theory 😄😆😂
@@marygreen2672 Abraham and Jacob were polygamous. Were they wicked, in your eyes?
@@zoeorchid , did they lie about it? Just because other people practice it, doesn't mean it is right. Did they deceive many people? And start a church based on deception? U can't compare Joseph Smith to the great men of the bible.
All money he makes they make themselves the church does not pay them
How much profit can a prophet if a prophet can prophecy profits
It's all speculation, because he / they have unrestricted access to billions of dollars. They would tell you it's confidential, secret, and/or "sacred." But for ye members, ye must continue to ante up if ye ever hope for any kind of exaltation. Follow the profit.
They actually make WAY more than this. Nelson and the Apostles are on the managerial boards of several lucrative businesses owned by the church (worth $130 billion), which has separate salaries and bonuses. He is making a TON OF MONEY
Why don't you share with us which managerial boards they each serve on and just how much they draw from their board responsibilities. Please share with us since you are so well informed.
That's not how that works. This is well known in the Church. These guys don't personally hold the assets from these endeavors. They have to assign their personal estate over to the Church. It doesn't mean there aren't other methods of corruption, but what you're saying isn't accurate. With your name being truth seeker you should at least attempt some intellectual honest as to whether you know how these things work before you claim to.
Not true. They are not paid through board of directorships at this time. Years ago, their stipend was funded this way but no longer. They were never paid more than $120K a year, which is a very small amount of money compared to other people in similar jobs in churches and nonprofits. The president of the Red Cross (a non-profit) is paid millions.
@@blizzard2oo The church should open the records to the membership. Make it available to be questioned. That includes public companies. Far too often we give the church a pass because it is the "business side" of the Church... The business side of the church has become the church. They compromised their morals for filthy lucre.
@@tylerhall95 What a load of speculative drivel. When did this policy supposedly begin?
The brethren have been confronted on this subject many times. The most poignant claim I heard was that if they were in the private sector they would be making a lot more money than the "living stipend"...
To which I lol'd. I would have gotten a lot more money if I had not served an LDS mission, that I paid for,if I had stayed in the private sector. Hypocrisy.
If they want to serve and enjoy a living stipend they can survive on what a missionary gets monthly and live in rented apartments like missionaries.
Let me ask a question my wife asks me, when did the covenant path cut right through the middle of the great and spacious building?
Let me ask a question I have been asking, why does the church not follow the teachings of the Book of Mormon?
Oh dear..we have no paid clergy..
Wait..but we do.lies and more lies..
...and this is a large reason why I am a non-denominational Mormon now.
And ----- with taxes taken out, with none of his 10 children living at home for any deductions, he probably has around 175,000 to actually live off of (ok, not including any retirement money from being a heart surgeon). With around 50 grand children & around 100 great grand children to remember birthdays for, he probably has around 75,000 left to do something with. Actually, as a retired heart surgeon, he may not take any pay at all, but just living expenses, hard to know. But, we do know he does not show up to conference in a new million dollar sports car, or wear $10,000 suits. Nor does he have time to go on long, lavish vacations.
President Nelson is a retired surgeon who gave up his incredible, illustrious career for the ministry. He is one of the most selfless men who ever lived. I'm not sure what you are trying to do here, but please more wisely spend your time investigating people who really deserve to be criticized, like sex criminals or politicians who are bought by big pharma or other organizations. This humble man deserves nothing but respect.
This is not a criticism of President Nelson. This is an attempt at estimating his pay from the Church so members can be better informed.
Viewers can decide for themselves if his pay is justified or not.
And how much does he get paid for being the CEO of a billion dollar company?
Tax free???
Did you look at the pay stubs... ? It clearly shows Federal and State tax withholdings.
Tax free im sure
He's paid nothing. It's an unpaid ministry.
It's not "employment." 100% voluntary service once they are called.
They receive compensation.
@@Glass-Looker - They do not receive compensation. However, plenty of people who work for the church outside of the ministry surely receive pay just like they would at any ordinary job in the world.
@Glass-Looker If you're poor what strength do you have to help others? This Church gives away nearly $1B / year to third-world poverty and global disaster relief. Would you have that stop? Last year was over $1.3B. Can an organization do THAT from a position of weakness?
@@rconger24 - I'm not too sure which point you think you're making. Every dime of the church is used to build church houses of worship, temple buildings, for media efforts to spread the word, and accomplishing charity endeavors in countless worthy places on earth. And the money comes from members who pay tithing. No paid ministry exists.
The strength exists in what the church accomplishes. Faithful members involve themselves in one way or another with the goals and purposes of the church. Nobody is twisting their arm. It's entirely voluntary.
These guys own their own homes .
why is that a problem? owning things are bad now?
Some, have nothing better to do, but looking for faults in, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS.
LOL, your stone seer and Young said the Mainstrean Church is the apostate, lost in the church of babylon, LDS is the last true church in the later days, salvation is through the LDS church exclusively, our Bible is corrupted if not interpreted by the LDS properly and our Gospel needs reformation by an adulterate stone seer with a "reformed gospel". You're a hypocrite according to JESUS "do what I say not what I do" LOL. Your talking points to the LDS congregation don't fare well when Mainstream is the victim not you. We know how you condemned us then on the other side of your double mindedness you attach yourself to us when you knock on our doors. Your taught to lie and decieve and we were warned of you; Gal. 1:8.
Its funny how much LDS lie and then get butt hurt when they are shown as being such.
The early membership of the Church was always looking for more truth and light. Why did we stop searching when Brigham became prophet and the brethren chose to pursue profits? Learn a little church history. Get some Hugh Nibley books. Ask some questions. Read the BOOK OF MORMON. Quit treating it lightly "because all is well in Zion, Zion prospereth, all is well." QUIT BEING A LAZY LEARNER! DO the SEARCHING, DO the PONDERING, Do the PRAYING!
@@Veevslav1 I personally forever thank GOD the Eternal HEAVENLY FATHER and HIS WIFE, GODDESS our beloved HOLY Eternal HEAVENLY MOTHER, for (restoring) THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, back on earth.
@@Veevslav1 Prophet's of: THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS: ADAM-MALACHI-JOSEPH SMITH-NELSON. Scriptures of, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS: BIBLE, BOOK of MORMON, DOCTRINES & COVENANTS, & PEARL of GREAT PRICE.
He doesn't need anyone's money he manages quite well on his own money is it jealousy a wasted emotion you can be a top surgeon and be a millionaire too give ot a go😅
having funds provided by a company or organization to eat or travel is not a salary. businesses provide travel expenses. those are not part of an employees salary. same here. he worked and paid for his own possessions. God bless President Nielsen
Scriptures of, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS: BIBLE, BOOK of MORMON, DOCTRINES & COVENANTS, & PEARL of GREAT PRICE.
That's cool to see that they aren't doing this for the money. Love it. I'm grateful for President Nelson and for a lifetime of service. I would love to see the data regarding the church books. I know many general authority church authors and almost all of them donate their proceeds from book sales. This isn't public and I'm sure they wouldn't want credit for doing this. But I love good people doing good things.
All the leaders were very successful outside of the church and could have made much more money staying in their respective careers (MD, Lawyers, business owners). CLEARLY they are not in it for the money. Those who say otherwise are letting their own bias and bitterness taint their judgement.
You all do know he was a world class heart surgeon before he joined his ministry. Not only would he be paid tons more, he would now be in retirement at this point and not have to trek across the globe at his old age. I understand issues within the church, but to make a youtube video about this is ridiculous. The guy has to live and he hasn't had a job outside of the church for 40 years. Pick something else to make a video about, my hell.
I want to guess that because he lives the higher law, he gives everything to the church and then the church gives him this amount to live on. That's how consecration works, so as a successful surgeon, this should be a net loss from retirement and other forms of income. I can't help but notice the envy in all of these comments about money from people who may have not served the Lord a fraction of his collective service. Some people can't see through the hot air. This man is already a historical figure in the medical realm.
He is also "unpaid" 😅
People should worry about their own business and not those of our church leaders. Jealousy seems to be a big factor and also they don't like the church and they complain about everything.
Who cares? Move on.
And .... Michelle Obama, got $25 million up front, when her book was released, before the surety of any sales. In the business world, with the hours these authorities work, they would get 2 to 5 times more in pay. All I know is, when I pay my tithe, I get blessed, no matter how much money any GA gets paid or spends on things; plus, the church is not in debt anywhere, that is a good place to be with where things are headed.
Most people want to retire in their mid 60's. Can you imagine still working at age 99 like Pres. Nelson!?!
I think they should make more money. The church is worth anywhere from 50 Billion to 100 Billion.
I heard 200 billion but people they send missionaries are going hungry, their children die. But your church numbers increase so the books look like your growing. Are you really going to demand 10% from the poor sitting on 200 billion.
Little known fact, every prophet gets a gold toilet seat, a private jet, and a fleet of Bentleys, one for each day of the month. Its what keeps them motivated to demand tithing from members. When I used to go to church, I knew one of the fleet maintenance workers in my ward. He told me all the secrets they don’t want you to know. Totally broke my shelf.
Not supposed to be any,,, preast craft !
Prophet's of the, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS: ADAM-MALACHI-JOSEPH SMITH-NELSON.
Nothing he is paid Nothing
See they earn money on their own
What they earn you are trying to make them look bad and where is church members don't care about what they earn
😂 so It is not important if they lie to us. Anyway they have their second annointed, they can do snything but killing or denying the holly gosth ( they can be pedophiles and still getting the exaltacion)
Who really cares. I pay tithing to the Lord and if it goes yo the prophet hes worth it.
The prophet doesnt get paid
THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, started in the PRE-MORTAL LIFE; & it will be for time, & for all Eternity.
Actually, for overseeing an organization that spans the globe and has millions of members, $250 grand is a pretty damn good deal! Have you heard him speak?
I've heard him speak and don't appreciate his direction when he won't advocate background checks in the U.S. wing of Mormondom. I don't appreciate members being told the word that describes my family history going back to Nauvoo (Mormon) is now a slur on par with the N word. If Jesus is coming, it is not to lead the Church but to clean it out like moneychangers in the temple and hang some millstones around a few necks (reference to scripture about the little ones).
@@haroldwhite5761there will be many exposed and they will sadly perish. It’s horrible but they’re getting the judgement they deserve. Basically the scriptures where it says “It will be worse for you than him” because they knew the gospel.
@@haroldwhite5761 ...and this is one reason that I consider myself a non-denominational Mormon now.
So, basically you are saying that IF he chooses to take the living allowance then he receives a small fraction of what he would have made. Also, I know a GA who was a business executive that became very wealthy due to the valuation of the stock of his company skyrocketing. He retired and serves full time. Many of these brethren that serve decline the living allowance if they do not need it. None of these brethren have sought the positions they now hold. They were called of God. Those that are asked to leave their vocation and source of income behind for full time church service should appropriately receive a living allowance. Many of them served 20-30 hours a week on top of their vocation for many years in local leadership positions that are unpaid. If they were motivated by money, they wouldn't be in full time church service.
I forever thank HEAVENLY FATHER, HIS WIFE, HEAVENLY MOTHER, for restoring THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS.