It’s kind of funny, in a way. From everything that we knew in the base game, it seemed like Marika was just a heartless monster who conquered, killed, and subjugated all who wouldn’t bow to her and the Golden Order. Now, with all the information gained from the DLC, she is clearly one of the most broken people in Elden Ring.
If I have the timeline right. She became a god in an attempt to save her people and was too late but bathed her home in gold anyway, later she returned with the strength of the golden order she forged and began the crusade to wipe out those who butchered her people and left her braid as recompense for the slaughter.
the jars of the Lands Between are basically automated corpse collectors that feel the need to prove themselves and eventually leads to them battling w/ the Erdtree Avatars, dying, spilling their insides, and fertilizing the minor erdtrees.
Yes besides the pots it is not the same thing at all, we also assume that use pot vessels for the dead is inspired by the Jarring rituals of the Tower people. Maybe, but I see it far more likely that it preceded the Jarring of the Shaman. Why else would Marika allow for it to continue? We assume that Marika saw what was done to her people and went on her ‘I must become a god for revenge’. Or she could have become a god, waged her campaign against the Giant’s and the Fell God to prove herself an ally come back and found the Hornsent had tried to replicate what she had done by using her people in the Jarring rituals. Either fit, the Illusionary minor Erdtree to me points toward the latter in some ways as the Erdtree is a symbol of Marika’s rule.
The Jar Bairn's dialogue makes me think not all Jar folk become warrior jars. Nothing specific, just a general sense that he wants to be one so he can be like Alexander, whereas other mature Jarfolk seem content to stay at the village and garden.
@@thehungrylittlenihilist even so, to adapt and survive in the lands between, a frankly brutal place, one would have to embrace the life if a warrior Or succumb to oppression.
This game went from killing Marika as vengeance to killing her to help her escape from her eternal prison in one dlc. Honestly though the signs were there I just didn’t notice them until I picked up the Minor Erdtree incantation. Now I see them in everything she touched. 10/10 writing.
i like this concept, it's quite similar to Headcrab zombie in HalfLife, the one have so many Headcrab in their body can throw to player-one of the concept I like most, the zombie still moaning "oh my god".... feel like the soul still in their half dead body- it bone chilling.
Im with you. Those jars were transported by Marika. Also that top is just a wax seal. Marika couldve easily transported them and replaced the seal just to get the Crucible imagery off them. Didnt even have to move them into a new jar.
The seal is literally the only part of the jar they aren't merged with, so the change of seals isn't a confirmation that they're different. In the jar shard and both variations of Alexander's shard, you can see the fleshy innards are merged with the jar. Piece this with how the throwing jar objects are all described as having healing properties, we can imagine how easily the innards would eventually fuse with it
Oh my gosh that reveal of what the Scadutree should have looked like was BONKERS. I think you are so right!!!! And then the grim reality of that sad looking twisted tree; what an awesome find. Also the tree avatars being Shaman related?! Your third eye is wide open kid 👁
The flowers on their backs are also growing on the twisted trees growing in the swamp of Aeonia. The closest flower to the Guardians flower and Aeonia is the Japanese Flowering Quince. I just find the red flowers to seemingly have a reason behind them too.
Random stuff that I literally only found when I looked at the dancing celebrants in the outro and thought hard (lol), and that may be completely unrelated to this video, but: The celebrants in Dominula seem to be practicing a perversion of Marika's own customs. The Festive Grease item mirrors them - it's crafted from golden bone shards (which are also used to craft Golden Vow and Sunwarmth Stone, which are blessed with Erdtree incantations) and provides runes on hit just like their weapons. Apparently, the Erdtree 'tolerates' its endurance, and all who dance in it are women with hair without a left braid, just like Marika; all this makes it seem it was a religious custom that came from Shaman Village, and Marika didn't have the heart to stamp it out in her new religious order. If the Shaman were a tree-centric culture, the ceremony could have originally revolved around taking the bark or leaves off trees, though, by now, the Godskin Apostle in the village seems to have made it about skinning. Though, considering how many trees are fed with flesh in this game, it may have always been just as morbid - which may be somewhat corroborated by a snake's stripped skin existing pretty close to the village. This is all probably unrelated to the jar stuff, but I figured it might shed light on things related to the culture Marika came from.
Absolutely, Kite and I were talking about the missing braid the other day- Just another massive tie to Marika, and potentially also the timeline. They are giving female potentate vibes.
Forgot to mention this earlier, but you can't see the Erdtree from Dominula. It might just be a lighting trick, but it is somewhat oddly reminiscent of how you can't see it from the realm of Shadow (though there's no Scadutree visible from Dominula either)
Mate there's a friken spiral/helix on the blade of the spear that the erdtree guardian is holding @4:45. I can't with this lore-building, the detail is insane. I wonder what that implies
Love the theory. I find the fact that bonny gaol still has pots shows Marika didn't return for them though. It adds another level of messed up, but does mirror Ranni and Miquella's journeys; everyone they loved/tied them down to their past selves are either killed or discarded on the path to god-hood.
Maybe the jars at the Minor Erdtree Church are Marika's first attemp at repurposing the Hornsent's jars. Let's remember that Marika turned the jars from an experiment device into a corpse-collecting one, in order to bring people to the Minor Erdtrees in order for them to be smashed by the Avatars and rejoin the root system. A much gentler purpose, turning a horrific practice in a much gentler one (for I suspect people willingly chose to return to the Erdtree back in the day, much like Numenoreans chose their time of death)
Oh, also, what do you think about my theory that the jars are made form the clay men. My evidence? First, the jars are made out of fired clay. Second, look at their hands and feet. They look identical.
Keep it up mate, love to see the growth happening for you, well deserved! On the idea of the jars being used as 'fertilizer' I don't know if it's explicitly stated, but I believe the living jars were traveling around and stuffing themselves with remains before making a journey to the minor erdtrees to be broken open by the erdtree avatars, which is why they have that large hammer like weapon and explains all the broken pots
I have heard that theory and I don't mind it at all I categorise the jars into 2 essentially: The ones that could be saved (body was salvageable from merged parts, reprocessed through erdtree to divest of said parts and be reborn with eternal life and a pact with the erdtree) The ones past the point of reversal (shaman that existed as a jar person for so long that they have fully become a loving jar, all components fully merged) The former as stated were given new life by this pact and process of renewal, And the latter started their new lives as the jar people they had become- becoming warriors and "heroes" in the angels of history (a fitting gift from marika to her former people) and taking part in crucibles to yes, do exactly that and fuel the empire that would continue marikas reign. 😁
@ScumMageInfa yeah I think it actually ties into your general concept quite well. It's a mutually beneficial system. The jars bring remains to the minor erdtrees (would this be erdtree burial? not sure if there is a specific difference 🤔) which strengthens the erdtree and it's roots, through death, the guardians are 'born' and become protectors of the minor erdtrees, which gives them a purpose beyond being stuffed into a jar. I think you said 'potted plants', hilariously gruesome, but it embodies the cycle of death and rebirth, which we see all throughout, great 'stuff' 😂
@@justkubz The other thing I forgot to mention- The only species notes to be able to meld with other material and flesh is shaman Which is why they are so important to the hornsent and the base of ingredients Nothing else is indicated to be such a base that can offer life to the jar creations :P They are like the lightning to the jars Frankenstein
@ScumMageInfa which then leads us to GRAFTING! Where did the idea of grafting come from, or rather how did the descendants discover that they could partake in grafting, AND can all of Marika's offspring perform grafting but choose not to. It's all connected in a chain of relation (or whatever the law of causality says, you know the one that mimic named Jack loves so much) 😂 Cheers! 🍻
@justkubz Having a discussion with him on that very topic as we speak 😂😂 he is a zealot for it and I love him for it. I'd say the grafting is a desperate attempt to mimic the EFFECTS of the crucible, even the jarring process that marika may have been produced from etc- melding yourself with things stronger that you to become better, at its essence
I like the idea of Shamans being tree people; it lines up super well with Marika and the Erdtree. I've seen other content talking about the Crucible and what it actually is, and what seems to be a concensus is that it is a blending of death/dead bodies that yields power and new life. If both theories are true, this means that Marika used the/a crucible to grow the erdtree, in a way that may resemble the shaman's practice. It's hard to say if said crucible was from the shamans, hornsent, or both plus more but would make a lot of sense.
GREAT VIDEO! This was really interesting and insightful! A lot of these videos lately seem to be explaining the obvious whereas this is an interesting take on a lot of overlooked lore that was there right in the beginning. Sometimes I wonder if they had these ides all along or if they took elements of the main game and simple wrote more content for it in the DLC. Good work! 😊
I noticed this very recently at a minor erdtree, when replaying after finishing the DLC. The fact that those trees are surrounded by pots, but pots that are dry and empty. Especially the dried-out red seals. It's obvious they either walked or were moved there for some reason. But look in the catacombs that are often located under them - in boss rooms you can see clumps of people clinging to the roots, as if in erdtree burials. But would normal corpses relly be stacked together like that? They look more like they died in the room, trying to cling onto the roots. I wonder if, after the failed Shadowkeep hospital experiment, she tried to at least grant her jar-people erdtree burials.
I’ve always subscribed to the ‘erdtree as a recycler of people’ theory. So maybe less of fertilizer and more of a way for them to live new life. They are placed in the roots and are reborn from the branches like fruit or something
@@MicahWarren-h3r Yup. That's how I imagined how Erdtree does it. People getting Erdtree burials are consumed by the tree body and soul to be reborn either as the same person or as a new person.
If this is true, these post-Shaman synthetic beings aren't truly recovered Shaman/Numen but a new and more primitive lifeform that manged to be partially viable and useful to the Golden Order. Guven Marika herself is a synthetic post-Shaman herself these would be the unsuccessful prototypes in the method of creating her. This practice of repurposing these new damaged being parallels an interesting conversation I am having with an acquaintance regarding the treatment of severely traumatized people. The acquaintance is of the opinion that if a person is mentally reduced below the period of being independently autonomous, that it would be kinder to both them and society to use conditioning to essentially reformat them into a simpler personality tailored to provide a social service. Of course the slippery slope of whom determines when a person is too far gone to be saved and the ease by which those who are simply different would be reformatted is in play. From their point of view, a person too traumatized to thrive descends into a downward spiral of self-destruction that induces further trauma in others and a real social cost, so the alternative to reformatting is euthanasia...which is now an active practice in their country of Canada where legal euthanisa of depressed people is considered a cheaper alternative than therapy for the state. Sothe question is, is the reformatting of the Shamans' remains by Marika a mericful act or simply repurposing them for the state? Is it more merciful than euthanisa for what just be a painful existence?
dude i love your thought process and how you connect sht. thank you for sharing your theories n the internet man. (also i really like your voice in a totally not homoerotic way kay thx bye)
The sounds of the guardians do not go back to the erdtree. Which is why hornsent used them. The inard meat also as a very tiny mark of gold. Meaning that even the smallest part of them could stick. Which is why Marika was the brightest.
I definitely beleive this theory has some merit and I'm glad that I randomly found someone who believes a version of it. Very well done in both presentation and quality. Most others seem to believe Marika was spared from "jarring" while everyone else was condemned. My personal theory is that Marika was just one more example of Shamans who were smashed and combined together in a horrific mess of fused flesh and souls. But that particular time, the Hornsent got something "right" with the processs. That allowed the Greater Will to intervene and Marika made a deal with it. If it would save her from literal eternal suffering and give her the strength to avenge and save her people, then she would serve it for all eternity. So the Greater Will made her a vessel of its power. Marika's soul became the "dominant" one in that chaos and what was once a mass of flesh and faces reshaped to match the appearance of the soul who was in control of it. Of course that doesn't mean that the other Shaman souls vanished or ceased to exist. They likely remained, trapped and screaming, within Marika's body. In a way she was like Van Hohenheim of Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, a seemingly ordinary human but with vast numbers of his own people's souls sealed and tormented inside of him. I don't think that the demigods themselves had anything to do with the Shaman souls that existed inside Marika (well Messmer is an exception, I think he was very much affected by it). But I think Radagon and the mystery around him is tied to to this. I used to believe that Radagon was some sort of artificial lifeform Marika made from herself, used for various purposes (stopping the war with Raya Lucaria, etc) but she then lost control over as their ideologies clashed. But now I think Radagon truly was an independent being. I think that the man who would become Second Elden Lord was just one of the many souls inside Marika. She needed someone to be her powerful spy and enforcer during the Raya Lucaria war, so she reached into herself and pulled out one of those souls, gave him a body and a portion of her godlike power, and set him to work. It would explain Radagon's immense loyalty to the Golden Order and Greater Will when Marika herself grew disillusioned and betrayed both. Radagon was all too aware that without the rescue of the Greater Will, he and Marika would still just be one more tormented mess of flesh and souls sitting in a jar underground and the Hornsent empire would still be sacrificing countless humans. So of course it stands to reason he turned on her to prevent Marika from committing this betrayal. Anyway sorry for the essay, this video was such a pleasant surprise since even if I don't agree with all of it, it is the closest I've ever seen to my own thoughts.
Absolutely loved the video! I really hope your character in the windmill village is some type of clue.. I've been trying to make sense of something that I think you'll find particularly interesting if you haven't come across it already. To my knowledge, the flowers on the festive hood found on the dancers of the windmill village are only found in the Shaman Village where Marika is from. And I do mean 'all' the flowers. If you look closely, you'll see pink, orange, and purple flowers on the hood. But something very weird to me always stuck out until the dlc, which was I couldn't find a place in base game that had these flowers. I really wonder the connection if any, it's been eating at me lol. Could be nothing but maybe its helpful or interesting at the least, so I thought I'd share
I am pretty sure they are skinned too... It is difficult because I am very tempted to assume they are shaman, but they are like greater potentate shaman.
Marika may have abhorred the jarring process but that doesn't prevent her from using it herself; much of the story of the gods in the DLC shows their journey to building a new future, but falling to the same vices and flaws of their predecessors
Doesnt the final faith of sorceress Sellen looks like a jar creature? With faces all over I mean, Lusat's and Azur's head became pure glintstone, but none became a levitating collage of what seem, other magic intellectuals
I wonder how the jar people fit in with this theory... Characters like Alexander make it seem as if some of the containers have gained or been granted sentience whereas your analysis pertains to their contents... Regardless, great video as usual!
It is difficult to say - Either the ones who's are warrior jars aren't shaman, OR, they have undergone a metamorphosis that is undoable, I would wager.
Good lore dump. My personal theory at the moment is Marika is just separating out the other souls from her peoples. Since all the jar people out of the pot are either inseparable from the other corpses or just dead, I think she means to have the Eard tree act as a filter for her people. And in the process the people who aren't aligned to the golden order sometimes end up with extra parts. OR just all the parts like misbegotten. And the Omen are literally just hornsent souls reborn with ties the formless mother for some reason?
With this idea that Marika is separating from herself those people and identities that do not belong, it brings to mind Godrick the Grafted. He seems to feel himself weak so he feels he needs to graft others onto his person to become stronger. Almost like he's felt that he's supposed to be larger and be composed of smaller parts of other beings. He takes in the Tarnished, due to them being connected to Marika via her grace and Godfrey the Elden Lord. People are also confused about Radagon. He seems to be an original part of Marika and her other half but also a separate entity with its own will and ability to walk around. Maybe Radagon was thrown in the pot with Marika and though she was able to separate him, their identities somehow fused and Radagon is no longer able to exist wholly apart from Marika, even though he is a separate personality. Part of Marika is in Radagon and vice versa. They are no longer wholly separate. Maybe to stabilize this connection Marika absorbed Radagon, and later he was only able to manifest in the same body as Marika, like when we fight him.
Thanks for another cool video! I want to lend some evidence to your theory and maybe to buttress your coming video on the tree women. Instead of getting too detailed I'm just going to copy paste this segment from the wikipedia page on the Egyptian sycamore Fig(A tree of holy significance that may have been the origin of the tree of knowledge in the bible.) In Ancient Egypt, the sycamore was associated with the goddesses Hathor, Isis, and Nut. In the case of the latter, prayers exist referring to the "sycamore of Nut", and asking for water and breath. These goddesses were sometimes depicted as trees, sometimes standing in front of them with vessels of water, or sometimes as a tree with human body parts, such as an arm or breast. It was the most significant depicted life giving tree in ancient Egypt.[19] Sycamores are referenced in ancient Egyptian love poetry as a meeting place for lovers.[19][9] There are also references to twin sycamores of turquoise in funerary contexts which Ra comes forth from, indicating they likely face east,[19] or are located on the eastern horizon. From the Hebrew Bible there were also a few interesting segments. In the Psalms, sycomores are listed with vines as sources of food destroyed in the plagues inflicted on the Egyptians. Ps 78:47 This verse implies that Ficus sycomorus could not survive in the mountainous regions of Egypt[15] ("He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost." King Solomon made cedars (a more valuable tree) as common as sycomores. The prophet Amos refers to his secondary occupation as a dresser or tender of sycomores Amos 7:14; this involved slashing the fruits to induce ripening.
If I were to try to distill those themes at all it sounds like priestess of a holy tree was an old Egyptian practice that possibly informed the religions that followed those of Egypt. These priestess were usually depicted as trees with human body parts. Two trees together were a religious symbol that seems to have been echoed in the DLC and the trees served as a gate for a god and were symbols for the joining of two lovers. Fruits of the tree were said to be sacred gave life. They were scored and scarred to speed up ripening, possibly like the shamen people. One thought I haven't delved into but is linked is the use of canoptic jars to hold internal organs of mummies(innards). Another possible link to ancient Egypt.
Theory - the "betrayal" the hornsent mention might be because of the Crucible Knights - Godwyn is Merika's eldest child and might have been born before the Hornsent war. His Crucible Knights may have been trained by the hornsent!
VaatiVidya is this you making these videos because the quality is certainly at that level. (plus, he really sounds like vaati with his soothing voiceover; what's with the ai generated name tho 😹) *deep lore* could marika's cycle of birthing rituals have arisen from the idea of trying to revive her jar mates? *end of deep lore*
I am also Australian and Soft Spoken when I read so, maybe thats it :'D AI Generated name???!?!?! How DARE you 😂🤣 I am Infa (Shortened version of my full name), and Scum Mage is a title I hold with Pride.
What if it was actually Radagon that went into the jar and came out as Marika? The people in the jars kind of start looking like her. That the process Radagon went through was what created her. Maybe she was the one who survived the process, and she ended up betraying whatever they wanted her to be and she became a god and ultimately declared a war on them and for them to all be wiped out?
Marika did success at least for one: Godrick! (maybe the Grafted scion too) he is not really Marika' bloodline (DemiGod) , he has Shaman bloodline, but Godrick have weird view point of art ... And he mistook dragons bloodline: the Bale' bloodline as true born heir. To bad when we kill the last Shaman in very early game.
The Minor Erdtrees came from seeds that where scattered throughout the Lands Between upon the shattering of the Elden Ring. Marika was imprisoned in the Erdtree swiftly thereafter, meaning she can't have anything to do with transporting pots filled with her people to the Minor Erdtrees to become Tree Guardians.
**The golden seeds description says that when the elden ring was shattered, the erdtree scattered many seeds across the land all at once. The minor erdtrees also differ in sizes, implying that there may have been successive waves of scattering of golden seeds. So there could have been some time where Marika orchestrated the transporting of the pots as a last wish situation before her imprisoning.
@Al-xj2oo My point exactly. Many comments like this one's main thread comment get it twisted that golden seeds are minor erdtree seeds. Which they may be, but the fact the are situated by an ILLUSORY tree makes me doubt that.
So I guess dying at the foot of the erdtree would undo the jarification and give all the shaman their bodies back? But in reality it doesn’t work… or at least, they are reborn as the guardians?
So I just took a closer look at the choking vine attached to the scadutree and it kinda twists like the black knife wonder if that has any significance
I think your partly right but how i read the guardian description is they are reborn as slaves forced to protect the minor erdtrees i dont think these are shamans these pieces are Hornset that were attached to the shamans removed made into guardians and ulcerated tree spirits however the tree avatars are just the minor erdtree protecting itself in short this is marikas revenge she and her people were forced to mix whit the hornset and now she removed those pieces and forced them to do her bidding puls hornset have white hair also Margot has white hair and the DLC hornset whit the circle blades has white hair
Very possible, but if slaves why venerate them in gold garbs and crown them? Why give them an opportunity to make a 'pact' which seems two ways, with the erdtree- a high honour- granting them eternal life (Like Marika is, Eternal)
@@ScumMageInfa I see like how radagon did whit the craians in the time were the erdtree was still willing to incorporate things that were not of it like also the dragon cult but forced them to wear mask and seal the truth of what they were same as guardians given mask and seal the truth of what they are
Isn’t there an item or something that says some guy went to find other ways to bring jar innards to life? I thought that might have been the original potentate of jarburg that used dead bodies from battles (hence the warrior innards) to make jars instead of live shamen hence the different designs on the top.
@@poorsarah I think it said he failed. :l Since all living pot jars imo have shaman as their base, even if it's distilled (like how godrick may be of marikas blood line, but it's distilled so he is weak, but his lineage is still proven by his ability to graft- aka shaman flesh melding with others)
@@rafiabloode2749 some couldn't be saved, past the point of no return, and embraced their new lives as jar people, with a new culture- hailed as heroes by marika as a Homage to her fallen people.
@@charlesatanasio I have not digested the betrayal properly yet Because I have a very complex theory on "what" marika is Hopefully it'll be answered for you in the next video :P
Interesting, but I don't think the part about the ulcerated tree spirit makes sense. Not every branch is automatically similar to the scadutree, and also they were recycled from a cut DS3 enemy which means their animations are likely older than any content created specifically for Elden Ring.
There are actually quite a few like it, the bigger ones especially, I only circles one so people could see a clear example---- It is a HARD boss to get clips of LOL
One comment-you have pronounced “deity” as “die-ity” in several videos, but the root word of deity is Deus, the Latin word for god. Day-ity, not die-ity.
It says in item descriptions that the jar people in lands between are made by corpses. Theres no ambiguity there. The hornsent on the other hand used live peiple
I reckon it is what becomes of them after they have been metamorphasised for that long. There's no turning back- new life- new culture. Even if dead parts are added to them, the base would have to be shaman, the only flesh we know that "melds with others" as per poison tooth whip.
The ones in the DLC also take dead people. The bonny butchering knife says that bodies are hacked up before being merged. There's also a ghost of someone who got merged, which wouldn't make sense if he was living when it happened.
@@ScumMageInfa The base would probably be shaman descendants after dying and getting buried in a jar, Marika apparently had so many demigod offspring that she literally repopulated the lands between with shaman bloodlines, you do realize Godrick is of shaman blood and that's why grafting is a thing to begin with, remember that the finger reader called him a "distant relative" of Marika and the "golden linage".
@ashleigh3021 Feel free to point out any extra item descriptions that give iron clad reasoning outside of extrapolating what I already have. That would be productive. See, the point is, you have to infer things and take them to their logical conclusion in the absence of further evidence. Even if not providing extra evidence, even just pointing out your problem with the reasoning or where it goes wrong would be productive. Instead of just saying "hmph, speculation"
@@ashleigh3021the way the entire narrative of the game is built is to make us speculate, if we only accepted what we have at face value, the story would be a lot more boring. We're supposed to come up with crackpot (pardon the pun) theories and throw shit at the wall to see what sticks and what doesn't
so heres the lore the shamans marikas people have the power of melding flesh the hornsent force them into jars trying to make a saint the jars in the lands between and shadow realm are different
Maybe it's just me, but even after all these terrible things have been done to Queen Marika and her race, I still just can't find it in my heart to respect her. Not once have I ever had a second thought about killing her and bringing her the end she deserves for all she did. I feel like our love should be going towards the Shaman people and not Marika specifically, since even after taking her Vengeance, and becoming a god to do so she still chose to create a world filled with racist and xenophobic ideologies that subjugated and genocided people who looked slightly different to the desired sophisticated and better races. I don't know about you guys but I have no respect for someone whose people were trampled upon, and then decided to do the same to completely different individuals. Marika is a truly evil and broken god. And if the story of Elder ring has told us anything the only way to fix something that's broken is to break it entirely and replace it. ...may chaos takw the world :3
It’s kind of funny, in a way. From everything that we knew in the base game, it seemed like Marika was just a heartless monster who conquered, killed, and subjugated all who wouldn’t bow to her and the Golden Order.
Now, with all the information gained from the DLC, she is clearly one of the most broken people in Elden Ring.
If I have the timeline right. She became a god in an attempt to save her people and was too late but bathed her home in gold anyway, later she returned with the strength of the golden order she forged and began the crusade to wipe out those who butchered her people and left her braid as recompense for the slaughter.
So many tables, turned.
Still can't forgive her for pulling a hera on her own children
still monster. but who is not in this game?
@@tranngochungdevwannabe Godwyn? Pre murder
the jars of the Lands Between are basically automated corpse collectors that feel the need to prove themselves and eventually leads to them battling w/ the Erdtree Avatars, dying, spilling their insides, and fertilizing the minor erdtrees.
Yes besides the pots it is not the same thing at all, we also assume that use pot vessels for the dead is inspired by the Jarring rituals of the Tower people. Maybe, but I see it far more likely that it preceded the Jarring of the Shaman. Why else would Marika allow for it to continue?
We assume that Marika saw what was done to her people and went on her ‘I must become a god for revenge’. Or she could have become a god, waged her campaign against the Giant’s and the Fell God to prove herself an ally come back and found the Hornsent had tried to replicate what she had done by using her people in the Jarring rituals. Either fit, the Illusionary minor Erdtree to me points toward the latter in some ways as the Erdtree is a symbol of Marika’s rule.
Dang never considered why the Erdtree Avatars are there... To break the jars, to provide an unsurmountable enemy for the jars to prove themselves...
Ooooh not a bad theory at all!!
I can totally see Alexander getting bonked by the Avatar :'D
The Jar Bairn's dialogue makes me think not all Jar folk become warrior jars. Nothing specific, just a general sense that he wants to be one so he can be like Alexander, whereas other mature Jarfolk seem content to stay at the village and garden.
@@thehungrylittlenihilist even so, to adapt and survive in the lands between, a frankly brutal place, one would have to embrace the life if a warrior
Or succumb to oppression.
This game went from killing Marika as vengeance to killing her to help her escape from her eternal prison in one dlc.
Honestly though the signs were there I just didn’t notice them until I picked up the Minor Erdtree incantation. Now I see them in everything she touched.
10/10 writing.
I had NO IDEA they were ripping their faces off and throwing them at us
Ikr :'D
Prismo Pfp :D
i like this concept, it's quite similar to Headcrab zombie in HalfLife, the one have so many Headcrab in their body can throw to player-one of the concept I like most, the zombie still moaning "oh my god".... feel like the soul still in their half dead body- it bone chilling.
Im with you. Those jars were transported by Marika. Also that top is just a wax seal. Marika couldve easily transported them and replaced the seal just to get the Crucible imagery off them. Didnt even have to move them into a new jar.
Ooooh GREAT point!
The seal is literally the only part of the jar they aren't merged with, so the change of seals isn't a confirmation that they're different.
In the jar shard and both variations of Alexander's shard, you can see the fleshy innards are merged with the jar.
Piece this with how the throwing jar objects are all described as having healing properties, we can imagine how easily the innards would eventually fuse with it
Oh my gosh that reveal of what the Scadutree should have looked like was BONKERS. I think you are so right!!!! And then the grim reality of that sad looking twisted tree; what an awesome find. Also the tree avatars being Shaman related?! Your third eye is wide open kid 👁
At the left of the Minor erdtree church you can find a guardian mourning infront of a tombstone
I noticed that one. I always wondered the lore implications.
out of curiosity, does the tombstone have anything written on it?
@@FunniesRS nah
@@FunniesRS you can loot a smoldering butterfly from that tombstone...
Made me think: maybe this is why Marika created Erdtree Rebirth. She could absorb the Shamans into the Erdtree and rebirth them whole again.
This video was quite jarring.
In all seriousness I do love everything you’re cooking Infa!!!
😂 Serving Dad energy
The flowers on their backs are also growing on the twisted trees growing in the swamp of Aeonia. The closest flower to the Guardians flower and Aeonia is the Japanese Flowering Quince.
I just find the red flowers to seemingly have a reason behind them too.
@@quaqstar much like the buds before the scarlet rott was introduced to them :P
I needed this closure. The DLC was so heavy for me. Thanks for shining a little light on the crapsack world that is the Lands Between
Very good video, melds perfectly with my theory that Mairka herself was put in the jar with Radagon
Random stuff that I literally only found when I looked at the dancing celebrants in the outro and thought hard (lol), and that may be completely unrelated to this video, but:
The celebrants in Dominula seem to be practicing a perversion of Marika's own customs. The Festive Grease item mirrors them - it's crafted from golden bone shards (which are also used to craft Golden Vow and Sunwarmth Stone, which are blessed with Erdtree incantations) and provides runes on hit just like their weapons. Apparently, the Erdtree 'tolerates' its endurance, and all who dance in it are women with hair without a left braid, just like Marika; all this makes it seem it was a religious custom that came from Shaman Village, and Marika didn't have the heart to stamp it out in her new religious order.
If the Shaman were a tree-centric culture, the ceremony could have originally revolved around taking the bark or leaves off trees, though, by now, the Godskin Apostle in the village seems to have made it about skinning. Though, considering how many trees are fed with flesh in this game, it may have always been just as morbid - which may be somewhat corroborated by a snake's stripped skin existing pretty close to the village.
This is all probably unrelated to the jar stuff, but I figured it might shed light on things related to the culture Marika came from.
Absolutely, Kite and I were talking about the missing braid the other day- Just another massive tie to Marika, and potentially also the timeline.
They are giving female potentate vibes.
I've been hanging around that windmill village too! Charming place. I didn't notice their missing braids til you mentioned it 👀
Forgot to mention this earlier, but you can't see the Erdtree from Dominula. It might just be a lighting trick, but it is somewhat oddly reminiscent of how you can't see it from the realm of Shadow (though there's no Scadutree visible from Dominula either)
@@ScumMageInfa I specifically came to mention the Marika-esque hairstyle, complete with missing left braid. Absolutely not a coincidence.
At least they have clothes now. Quality of life W.
Very interesting. I never really think much about those tree guys. They always seem like decorations more than enemies.
Literally same and then it jist clicked lmao
Mate there's a friken spiral/helix on the blade of the spear that the erdtree guardian is holding @4:45. I can't with this lore-building, the detail is insane. I wonder what that implies
GOOD spot
Love the theory. I find the fact that bonny gaol still has pots shows Marika didn't return for them though. It adds another level of messed up, but does mirror Ranni and Miquella's journeys; everyone they loved/tied them down to their past selves are either killed or discarded on the path to god-hood.
Just like in every circumstance, you can't save them all.
And just like the state they are in, the way she saves them is a compromise.
Maybe the jars at the Minor Erdtree Church are Marika's first attemp at repurposing the Hornsent's jars. Let's remember that Marika turned the jars from an experiment device into a corpse-collecting one, in order to bring people to the Minor Erdtrees in order for them to be smashed by the Avatars and rejoin the root system. A much gentler purpose, turning a horrific practice in a much gentler one (for I suspect people willingly chose to return to the Erdtree back in the day, much like Numenoreans chose their time of death)
Really good video!! I like the idea that Marika helped her kin, who had been put into jars, to achieve a new form of life in the guardians.
New eternal life, the best she could offer. *sigh*
So tragic. :')
Obsessed with this idea. The tree people jar people thing is truly inspired
Oh, also, what do you think about my theory that the jars are made form the clay men. My evidence?
First, the jars are made out of fired clay.
Second, look at their hands and feet. They look identical.
Keep it up mate, love to see the growth happening for you, well deserved!
On the idea of the jars being used as 'fertilizer' I don't know if it's explicitly stated, but I believe the living jars were traveling around and stuffing themselves with remains before making a journey to the minor erdtrees to be broken open by the erdtree avatars, which is why they have that large hammer like weapon and explains all the broken pots
I have heard that theory and I don't mind it at all
I categorise the jars into 2 essentially:
The ones that could be saved (body was salvageable from merged parts, reprocessed through erdtree to divest of said parts and be reborn with eternal life and a pact with the erdtree)
The ones past the point of reversal (shaman that existed as a jar person for so long that they have fully become a loving jar, all components fully merged)
The former as stated were given new life by this pact and process of renewal,
And the latter started their new lives as the jar people they had become- becoming warriors and "heroes" in the angels of history (a fitting gift from marika to her former people) and taking part in crucibles to yes, do exactly that and fuel the empire that would continue marikas reign. 😁
@ScumMageInfa yeah I think it actually ties into your general concept quite well. It's a mutually beneficial system. The jars bring remains to the minor erdtrees (would this be erdtree burial? not sure if there is a specific difference 🤔) which strengthens the erdtree and it's roots, through death, the guardians are 'born' and become protectors of the minor erdtrees, which gives them a purpose beyond being stuffed into a jar. I think you said 'potted plants', hilariously gruesome, but it embodies the cycle of death and rebirth, which we see all throughout, great 'stuff' 😂
@@justkubz The other thing I forgot to mention-
The only species notes to be able to meld with other material and flesh is shaman
Which is why they are so important to the hornsent and the base of ingredients
Nothing else is indicated to be such a base that can offer life to the jar creations :P
They are like the lightning to the jars Frankenstein
@ScumMageInfa which then leads us to GRAFTING! Where did the idea of grafting come from, or rather how did the descendants discover that they could partake in grafting, AND can all of Marika's offspring perform grafting but choose not to. It's all connected in a chain of relation (or whatever the law of causality says, you know the one that mimic named Jack loves so much) 😂
Cheers! 🍻
@justkubz Having a discussion with him on that very topic as we speak 😂😂 he is a zealot for it and I love him for it.
I'd say the grafting is a desperate attempt to mimic the EFFECTS of the crucible, even the jarring process that marika may have been produced from etc- melding yourself with things stronger that you to become better, at its essence
Love seeing connections between the base game and the dlc
"Jarrika"
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I like the idea of Shamans being tree people; it lines up super well with Marika and the Erdtree.
I've seen other content talking about the Crucible and what it actually is, and what seems to be a concensus is that it is a blending of death/dead bodies that yields power and new life.
If both theories are true, this means that Marika used the/a crucible to grow the erdtree, in a way that may resemble the shaman's practice. It's hard to say if said crucible was from the shamans, hornsent, or both plus more but would make a lot of sense.
@@MCC17011 the very argument I made in my "the crucible touched and their crucibles" video :D
Didnt spected such a good lore video, really great work
GREAT VIDEO! This was really interesting and insightful! A lot of these videos lately seem to be explaining the obvious whereas this is an interesting take on a lot of overlooked lore that was there right in the beginning. Sometimes I wonder if they had these ides all along or if they took elements of the main game and simple wrote more content for it in the DLC. Good work! 😊
I noticed this very recently at a minor erdtree, when replaying after finishing the DLC. The fact that those trees are surrounded by pots, but pots that are dry and empty. Especially the dried-out red seals. It's obvious they either walked or were moved there for some reason. But look in the catacombs that are often located under them - in boss rooms you can see clumps of people clinging to the roots, as if in erdtree burials. But would normal corpses relly be stacked together like that? They look more like they died in the room, trying to cling onto the roots. I wonder if, after the failed Shadowkeep hospital experiment, she tried to at least grant her jar-people erdtree burials.
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The crucible of the Kitchen is red hot
Bloody FANTASTIC, INFA!!!! I absolutely LOVE this theory!!!
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So Marika used her own people who've already been jarred as fertilizer to grow the Minor Erdtree's
MAYBE BUT also maybe it was simply part of a revival ritual, to bring them death and then eternal life.
I’ve always subscribed to the ‘erdtree as a recycler of people’ theory. So maybe less of fertilizer and more of a way for them to live new life. They are placed in the roots and are reborn from the branches like fruit or something
@@MicahWarren-h3r Yup. That's how I imagined how Erdtree does it. People getting Erdtree burials are consumed by the tree body and soul to be reborn either as the same person or as a new person.
If this is true, these post-Shaman synthetic beings aren't truly recovered Shaman/Numen but a new and more primitive lifeform that manged to be partially viable and useful to the Golden Order. Guven Marika herself is a synthetic post-Shaman herself these would be the unsuccessful prototypes in the method of creating her.
This practice of repurposing these new damaged being parallels an interesting conversation I am having with an acquaintance regarding the treatment of severely traumatized people. The acquaintance is of the opinion that if a person is mentally reduced below the period of being independently autonomous, that it would be kinder to both them and society to use conditioning to essentially reformat them into a simpler personality tailored to provide a social service. Of course the slippery slope of whom determines when a person is too far gone to be saved and the ease by which those who are simply different would be reformatted is in play. From their point of view, a person too traumatized to thrive descends into a downward spiral of self-destruction that induces further trauma in others and a real social cost, so the alternative to reformatting is euthanasia...which is now an active practice in their country of Canada where legal euthanisa of depressed people is considered a cheaper alternative than therapy for the state. Sothe question is, is the reformatting of the Shamans' remains by Marika a mericful act or simply repurposing them for the state? Is it more merciful than euthanisa for what just be a painful existence?
Just when We think We've heard all the interesting lore takes.
I like this theory, it makes sense for the most part.
Imagine - after visiting Jarburg and befriending the Jars, you could summon a large Jar for every Erdtree Avatar fight
dude i love your thought process and how you connect sht. thank you for sharing your theories n the internet man. (also i really like your voice in a totally not homoerotic way kay thx bye)
😍Thankyou
That is very sweet 😘 (Blows you a non homoerotic kiss)
The sounds of the guardians do not go back to the erdtree. Which is why hornsent used them. The inard meat also as a very tiny mark of gold. Meaning that even the smallest part of them could stick. Which is why Marika was the brightest.
I definitely beleive this theory has some merit and I'm glad that I randomly found someone who believes a version of it. Very well done in both presentation and quality.
Most others seem to believe Marika was spared from "jarring" while everyone else was condemned.
My personal theory is that Marika was just one more example of Shamans who were smashed and combined together in a horrific mess of fused flesh and souls.
But that particular time, the Hornsent got something "right" with the processs. That allowed the Greater Will to intervene and Marika made a deal with it. If it would save her from literal eternal suffering and give her the strength to avenge and save her people, then she would serve it for all eternity.
So the Greater Will made her a vessel of its power. Marika's soul became the "dominant" one in that chaos and what was once a mass of flesh and faces reshaped to match the appearance of the soul who was in control of it.
Of course that doesn't mean that the other Shaman souls vanished or ceased to exist. They likely remained, trapped and screaming, within Marika's body.
In a way she was like Van Hohenheim of Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, a seemingly ordinary human but with vast numbers of his own people's souls sealed and tormented inside of him.
I don't think that the demigods themselves had anything to do with the Shaman souls that existed inside Marika (well Messmer is an exception, I think he was very much affected by it). But I think Radagon and the mystery around him is tied to to this.
I used to believe that Radagon was some sort of artificial lifeform Marika made from herself, used for various purposes (stopping the war with Raya Lucaria, etc) but she then lost control over as their ideologies clashed.
But now I think Radagon truly was an independent being. I think that the man who would become Second Elden Lord was just one of the many souls inside Marika. She needed someone to be her powerful spy and enforcer during the Raya Lucaria war, so she reached into herself and pulled out one of those souls, gave him a body and a portion of her godlike power, and set him to work.
It would explain Radagon's immense loyalty to the Golden Order and Greater Will when Marika herself grew disillusioned and betrayed both.
Radagon was all too aware that without the rescue of the Greater Will, he and Marika would still just be one more tormented mess of flesh and souls sitting in a jar underground and the Hornsent empire would still be sacrificing countless humans. So of course it stands to reason he turned on her to prevent Marika from committing this betrayal.
Anyway sorry for the essay, this video was such a pleasant surprise since even if I don't agree with all of it, it is the closest I've ever seen to my own thoughts.
Absolutely loved the video!
I really hope your character in the windmill village is some type of clue.. I've been trying to make sense of something that I think you'll find particularly interesting if you haven't come across it already. To my knowledge, the flowers on the festive hood found on the dancers of the windmill village are only found in the Shaman Village where Marika is from. And I do mean 'all' the flowers. If you look closely, you'll see pink, orange, and purple flowers on the hood. But something very weird to me always stuck out until the dlc, which was I couldn't find a place in base game that had these flowers. I really wonder the connection if any, it's been eating at me lol. Could be nothing but maybe its helpful or interesting at the least, so I thought I'd share
I am pretty sure they are skinned too...
It is difficult because I am very tempted to assume they are shaman, but they are like greater potentate shaman.
Oh my god, Tree's avatar and tree serpent make so much sense now If Marika saved some shamans and bring them to her realm.
I'm half convinced based on those observations of the tree guardians that the PC tarnished is actually a tree guardian
This makes too much sense... Can't wait for the next one!
Marika may have abhorred the jarring process but that doesn't prevent her from using it herself; much of the story of the gods in the DLC shows their journey to building a new future, but falling to the same vices and flaws of their predecessors
good video!!
This is fantastic insight! Instant sub!
Thankyou! 😍
Doesnt the final faith of sorceress Sellen looks like a jar creature? With faces all over
I mean, Lusat's and Azur's head became pure glintstone, but none became a levitating collage of what seem, other magic intellectuals
@FargonNemeloc it is almost crucible like in nature, the grave mass
@@ScumMageInfa exactly
… now just feeling guilty for slaying them.
They are definitely random AI that have no attachment to the main story.
Whatever you need to tell yourself...
... Evil monster 👀😂
This is a great idea.
Very plausible
I wonder how the jar people fit in with this theory... Characters like Alexander make it seem as if some of the containers have gained or been granted sentience whereas your analysis pertains to their contents... Regardless, great video as usual!
It is difficult to say - Either the ones who's are warrior jars aren't shaman, OR, they have undergone a metamorphosis that is undoable, I would wager.
As if the Erdtree wasn't mysterious enough, the Skibidi-tree is even MORE of an enigma!
@@r3gret2079 ohhh you just wait for the next video
The plot indeed thickens when it comes to trees
@@ScumMageInfa concider my ass rooted.
Good lore dump. My personal theory at the moment is Marika is just separating out the other souls from her peoples. Since all the jar people out of the pot are either inseparable from the other corpses or just dead, I think she means to have the Eard tree act as a filter for her people. And in the process the people who aren't aligned to the golden order sometimes end up with extra parts. OR just all the parts like misbegotten. And the Omen are literally just hornsent souls reborn with ties the formless mother for some reason?
Yep, absolutely great point- Which would explain why they have to die via this process to have the other aspects filtered out - Love it.
With this idea that Marika is separating from herself those people and identities that do not belong, it brings to mind Godrick the Grafted. He seems to feel himself weak so he feels he needs to graft others onto his person to become stronger. Almost like he's felt that he's supposed to be larger and be composed of smaller parts of other beings. He takes in the Tarnished, due to them being connected to Marika via her grace and Godfrey the Elden Lord.
People are also confused about Radagon. He seems to be an original part of Marika and her other half but also a separate entity with its own will and ability to walk around. Maybe Radagon was thrown in the pot with Marika and though she was able to separate him, their identities somehow fused and Radagon is no longer able to exist wholly apart from Marika, even though he is a separate personality. Part of Marika is in Radagon and vice versa. They are no longer wholly separate. Maybe to stabilize this connection Marika absorbed Radagon, and later he was only able to manifest in the same body as Marika, like when we fight him.
LMAOOO Godrick is like Anti-Marika :'D She is trying to shed herself, he is trying to do the opposite. 😂
@@ScumMageInfa "Grafts together strong." -Godrick probably.
Thanks for another cool video!
I want to lend some evidence to your theory and maybe to buttress your coming video on the tree women. Instead of getting too detailed I'm just going to copy paste this segment from the wikipedia page on the Egyptian sycamore Fig(A tree of holy significance that may have been the origin of the tree of knowledge in the bible.)
In Ancient Egypt, the sycamore was associated with the goddesses Hathor, Isis, and Nut. In the case of the latter, prayers exist referring to the "sycamore of Nut", and asking for water and breath. These goddesses were sometimes depicted as trees, sometimes standing in front of them with vessels of water, or sometimes as a tree with human body parts, such as an arm or breast. It was the most significant depicted life giving tree in ancient Egypt.[19]
Sycamores are referenced in ancient Egyptian love poetry as a meeting place for lovers.[19][9]
There are also references to twin sycamores of turquoise in funerary contexts which Ra comes forth from, indicating they likely face east,[19] or are located on the eastern horizon.
From the Hebrew Bible there were also a few interesting segments.
In the Psalms, sycomores are listed with vines as sources of food destroyed in the plagues inflicted on the Egyptians. Ps 78:47 This verse implies that Ficus sycomorus could not survive in the mountainous regions of Egypt[15] ("He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost."
King Solomon made cedars (a more valuable tree) as common as sycomores.
The prophet Amos refers to his secondary occupation as a dresser or tender of sycomores Amos 7:14; this involved slashing the fruits to induce ripening.
If I were to try to distill those themes at all it sounds like priestess of a holy tree was an old Egyptian practice that possibly informed the religions that followed those of Egypt. These priestess were usually depicted as trees with human body parts. Two trees together were a religious symbol that seems to have been echoed in the DLC and the trees served as a gate for a god and were symbols for the joining of two lovers.
Fruits of the tree were said to be sacred gave life. They were scored and scarred to speed up ripening, possibly like the shamen people.
One thought I haven't delved into but is linked is the use of canoptic jars to hold internal organs of mummies(innards). Another possible link to ancient Egypt.
Theory - the "betrayal" the hornsent mention might be because of the Crucible Knights - Godwyn is Merika's eldest child and might have been born before the Hornsent war. His Crucible Knights may have been trained by the hornsent!
So that's why they bleed.
This was jarring to learn.
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Okay, what is the point of the Erdtree as established by the game's lore?
VaatiVidya is this you making these videos because the quality is certainly at that level. (plus, he really sounds like vaati with his soothing voiceover; what's with the ai generated name tho 😹)
*deep lore* could marika's cycle of birthing rituals have arisen from the idea of trying to revive her jar mates? *end of deep lore*
I am also Australian and Soft Spoken when I read so, maybe thats it :'D
AI Generated name???!?!?! How DARE you 😂🤣 I am Infa (Shortened version of my full name), and Scum Mage is a title I hold with Pride.
"Jarika the unpickled"
What if it was actually Radagon that went into the jar and came out as Marika? The people in the jars kind of start looking like her. That the process Radagon went through was what created her.
Maybe she was the one who survived the process, and she ended up betraying whatever they wanted her to be and she became a god and ultimately declared a war on them and for them to all be wiped out?
Marika did success at least for one: Godrick! (maybe the Grafted scion too) he is not really Marika' bloodline (DemiGod) , he has Shaman bloodline,
but Godrick have weird view point of art ...
And he mistook dragons bloodline: the Bale' bloodline as true born heir.
To bad when we kill the last Shaman in very early game.
The Minor Erdtrees came from seeds that where scattered throughout the Lands Between upon the shattering of the Elden Ring. Marika was imprisoned in the Erdtree swiftly thereafter, meaning she can't have anything to do with transporting pots filled with her people to the Minor Erdtrees to become Tree Guardians.
OOoo Interesting-- Would I be able to ask what confirms that?
**The golden seeds description says that when the elden ring was shattered, the erdtree scattered many seeds across the land all at once.
The minor erdtrees also differ in sizes, implying that there may have been successive waves of scattering of golden seeds.
So there could have been some time where Marika orchestrated the transporting of the pots as a last wish situation before her imprisoning.
@Al-xj2oo
My point exactly.
Many comments like this one's main thread comment get it twisted that golden seeds are minor erdtree seeds.
Which they may be, but the fact the are situated by an ILLUSORY tree makes me doubt that.
Or perhaps these are just minor sprouts of the Greattree?
Praise the Algorithm! \[T]/
So I guess dying at the foot of the erdtree would undo the jarification and give all the shaman their bodies back? But in reality it doesn’t work… or at least, they are reborn as the guardians?
This is canon for me now :D
So I just took a closer look at the choking vine attached to the scadutree and it kinda twists like the black knife wonder if that has any significance
I think your partly right but how i read the guardian description is they are reborn as slaves forced to protect the minor erdtrees i dont think these are shamans these pieces are Hornset that were attached to the shamans removed made into guardians and ulcerated tree spirits however the tree avatars are just the minor erdtree protecting itself in short this is marikas revenge she and her people were forced to mix whit the hornset and now she removed those pieces and forced them to do her bidding puls hornset have white hair also Margot has white hair and the DLC hornset whit the circle blades has white hair
Very possible, but if slaves why venerate them in gold garbs and crown them? Why give them an opportunity to make a 'pact' which seems two ways, with the erdtree- a high honour- granting them eternal life (Like Marika is, Eternal)
@@ScumMageInfa I see like how radagon did whit the craians in the time were the erdtree was still willing to incorporate things that were not of it like also the dragon cult but forced them to wear mask and seal the truth of what they were same as guardians given mask and seal the truth of what they are
dope...
5:24 lol @ you casually filming a documentary while the subject of it is trying to kill you.
Anything for the clip 😂
Isn’t there an item or something that says some guy went to find other ways to bring jar innards to life? I thought that might have been the original potentate of jarburg that used dead bodies from battles (hence the warrior innards) to make jars instead of live shamen hence the different designs on the top.
@@poorsarah I think it said he failed. :l
Since all living pot jars imo have shaman as their base, even if it's distilled (like how godrick may be of marikas blood line, but it's distilled so he is weak, but his lineage is still proven by his ability to graft- aka shaman flesh melding with others)
@@ScumMageInfa that makes sense actually. Do you know why some jars are friendly and some aren’t? Also thanks for your reply
So what all that have to do with the pot warrior collecting champion remains in them ?
@@rafiabloode2749 some couldn't be saved, past the point of no return, and embraced their new lives as jar people, with a new culture- hailed as heroes by marika as a Homage to her fallen people.
Huh...
Never realized the dancing women have onesided braids like Merika...
IKR!
@@ScumMageInfa Do you think the "betrayal" mentioned by the Hornsent is related to the Crucible Knights?
@@charlesatanasio I have not digested the betrayal properly yet
Because I have a very complex theory on "what" marika is
Hopefully it'll be answered for you in the next video :P
Interesting, but I don't think the part about the ulcerated tree spirit makes sense. Not every branch is automatically similar to the scadutree, and also they were recycled from a cut DS3 enemy which means their animations are likely older than any content created specifically for Elden Ring.
There are actually quite a few like it, the bigger ones especially, I only circles one so people could see a clear example---- It is a HARD boss to get clips of LOL
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One comment-you have pronounced “deity” as “die-ity” in several videos, but the root word of deity is Deus, the Latin word for god. Day-ity, not die-ity.
It's pronounced dee-ity in America, for some reason. (I'm American)
Un-pickling?! More like degloving...
It says in item descriptions that the jar people in lands between are made by corpses. Theres no ambiguity there. The hornsent on the other hand used live peiple
No they didn't, except for the shaman which they needed to start the jar. Everything else is corpses
Judging by Alexander questline the jars in the lands between are used to store the remains of rhe dead rather than getting stuffed with living people.
I reckon it is what becomes of them after they have been metamorphasised for that long.
There's no turning back- new life- new culture. Even if dead parts are added to them, the base would have to be shaman, the only flesh we know that "melds with others" as per poison tooth whip.
The ones in the DLC also take dead people. The bonny butchering knife says that bodies are hacked up before being merged. There's also a ghost of someone who got merged, which wouldn't make sense if he was living when it happened.
@@ScumMageInfa The base would probably be shaman descendants after dying and getting buried in a jar, Marika apparently had so many demigod offspring that she literally repopulated the lands between with shaman bloodlines, you do realize Godrick is of shaman blood and that's why grafting is a thing to begin with, remember that the finger reader called him a "distant relative" of Marika and the "golden linage".
@@AscendantStoic yep fully aware of that little lore bomb :P
Elden ring “lore” on UA-cam is 99.9% meaningless speculation.
@@ashleigh3021 99.9% meaningless, just like this comment
@@ScumMageInfa Sorry. It’s just true though. I watch the vids but it’s literally just speculation.
@ashleigh3021 Feel free to point out any extra item descriptions that give iron clad reasoning outside of extrapolating what I already have. That would be productive.
See, the point is, you have to infer things and take them to their logical conclusion in the absence of further evidence. Even if not providing extra evidence, even just pointing out your problem with the reasoning or where it goes wrong would be productive.
Instead of just saying "hmph, speculation"
@@ashleigh3021the way the entire narrative of the game is built is to make us speculate, if we only accepted what we have at face value, the story would be a lot more boring. We're supposed to come up with crackpot (pardon the pun) theories and throw shit at the wall to see what sticks and what doesn't
so heres the lore the shamans marikas people have the power of melding flesh the hornsent force them into jars trying to make a saint the jars in the lands between and shadow realm are different
Maybe it's just me, but even after all these terrible things have been done to Queen Marika and her race, I still just can't find it in my heart to respect her. Not once have I ever had a second thought about killing her and bringing her the end she deserves for all she did.
I feel like our love should be going towards the Shaman people and not Marika specifically, since even after taking her Vengeance, and becoming a god to do so she still chose to create a world filled with racist and xenophobic ideologies that subjugated and genocided people who looked slightly different to the desired sophisticated and better races. I don't know about you guys but I have no respect for someone whose people were trampled upon, and then decided to do the same to completely different individuals.
Marika is a truly evil and broken god. And if the story of Elder ring has told us anything the only way to fix something that's broken is to break it entirely and replace it.
...may chaos takw the world :3