I'm the son of Polvo's first drummer, and I just wanted to say that I was really glad to see their presence in this video. This was wonderfully made. I particularly enjoyed how you highlighted the split in sound that propelled artists toward math rock's primary influences, hardcore and jazz.
tell your dad he's still being appreciated and I'm stoked you're even looking into the influence your dad had on an entire genre of music. Watch the new Damon Che videos!
My thinking of why math rock took of in Asia isn't the math thing but rather the stereotype of being musical prodigies or at least learning instruments (like piano)) from a young age. That's certainly the case with Elephant Gym.
I think its so funny how jazz fusion bands like king crimson and hardcore bands like black flag both came to the free time conclusion for 2 very different reasons. And then a new genre that doesn't really share either of their sentiments was born from their relation.
I's also like to add that there's a decent Math rock scene popping up in Latin America as well with bands like No Somos Marineros (Mexico), Dj Perro (Mexico), Wanderlust (Peru), and Tortuganomia (Chile) go check them out as well! They are all so good!
@@StellasEncounter I 100% agree here some good songs from each band I recommend to listen too Onnie Jay Holy - No Somos Marineros Jazztas - Dj Perro Algo Especial- Wanderlust Espejos Dorados - Tortuganómina
By far the best video on math rock that I have seen! I feel that Math Rock gets grouped as twinkly, clean mid-west emo when it is so much more! While I like emo music, I feel that you did the genre's other influences justice!
@@StellasEncounter I would recommend Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt, but really a lot of their songs on their first album Deloused in the Comatorium would fit. The guitar player and singer's prior band, At the Drive-In also have a math rock/punk tendency.
Theres so much to unpack in here, You can hear Albini's work on the Albini mix of In Utero which was only recently released. They used a different mix upon original release. You have all of my favourite bands in here
I'm still a fan of your username! At some point I'd like to do a piece just focusing on Albini and his influence. Thank your for taking the time to kindly reply. Have a great day!
Now that was interesting. I can see why it took you awhile to put this together, there are a lot of clips of fairly obscure bands here. This type of approach has always been big here in Portland. Cool that you like Polvo, I remember their guitar player played bass in Helium for awhile. They were pretty cool. That You’re With Stupid book covers a lot of this. I remember being fascinated by free jazz awhile ago, played some crazy John Coltrane (now a hero of mine) for some friends recently and I think they thought I’d lost my mind. I don’t know, maybe I did. Thanks Stella, and I have to say you had me busting up at the end.
Hi - I've been getting into Math(s) Rock (I'm British - no way can I say 'Math Rock' !) over the last year, and I really enjoyed your video and presentation style. Thank you so much - best wishes from Viet Nam.
Great video. I'm old, but I remember seeing Don Caballero live way back in the day and not really liking them, but over the past 5 years or so I've really gotten into math rock, and LOVE American Don. Currently I'm really enjoying Tangled Hair, they just have such a nuanced sound and their drummer is amazing.
amazing video and I think that black midi will be a catalyst for a new wave of math rock, due to their large success and blending of the more melodic and noisy sides of the genre
You have a wealth of knowledge related to this genre. Thank you for mentioning No Means No. Some bands that are important to the genre’s development are FredFrith’s Massacre, Breadwinner, Victim’s Family and maybe The Ex. Fantastic work here! Keep it up.
Firstly, welcome! I'm glad you've found my little bit of the internet, I hope you find enough to hang hang around! *waves* Hi Louisville, Ky! Much love from SZ, GD, China!
"many bands were from chicago and other mid-western cites....", I also didn't include Drive Like Jehu as they were from California. (love them btw) it's not the most complete list possible
I'll second that. Shorty I actually never thought too much of, but leaving out Dazzling Killmen is missing a whole aspect of what was originally math rock (unlike the ponsy 21st Century crap).
Literally just got into Math rock (except Slint if you can call them Math rock or post rock?) through Hella and then Don Caballero and now I'm falling down the rabbit hole, along with Minutemen just in the past week who BLEW MY MIND. They remind me of Gang of Fours first album "Entertainment"
I love that you included Piglet in the intro. There are some great deep-cuts in your videos and I'm impressed with your knowledge. Great stuff and keep it up!
Great video! I will also recommend checking out the band Algernon Cadwallader. Noodly emo-math rock band from the Philadephia area in the mid 2000s. Really passionate music with some fairly technical guitar work, but also fun and light-hearted, if that makes sense.
I'm actually a big fan of math rock, and btw I really love your videos! Math rock is kind of music explores me to the next level, so magical and so euphonious💛✨I'll already subscribe to your channel😊
I really enjoyed this video, thanks for the great info. Also, I'm really impressed by such great vocabulary outside the mother tongue - better than a lot of natives I know! Subscribed
Tough genre to tackle but you did it. I really liked Polvo - Exploded drawing. A few other interesting bands I would call math rock were Macha that were from Athens who also used a lot of Asian influences. Also a band called Lite that I saw open up for Mike Watt one time; a Japanese band. Also a more recent band I think could be considered math rock is El ten eleven.
@@StellasEncounter Yes, I forgot Macha did an album with Bedhead. Macha was always quite under-rated IMO. The bass player for Macha is now with Deerhunter. I missed your LITE shoutout but caught it in the rewatch. I captured this video of LITE - Rabbit in 2011. I have to say this is one of the most inspiring moments of indie rock I have ever seen. To see these guys up on stage for the first time in the US and struggling with the little English they knew but then to completely melt our faces with this version of Rabbit - it was quite fantastic(sorry for my amateur video skills) - ua-cam.com/video/bYj-qupSmGQ/v-deo.html
@@StellasEncounter Yes, hopefully so. This was 2011 so quite a while ago and quite a different time. I felt like there was more vibrant indie rock scene at that time; especially in Atlanta, GA. Mike Watt was very supportive of Lite and Asian bands. Now indie rock seems like a nostalgia tour for the bands that are still around. It is good that younger generations are taking interest and of course people like you in Asia taking interesting in these genres of rock music.
Thanks for your descriptions, I’ve recently been listening to SOKONINARU, I had no idea how to categorise them, I now think they are masters of math rock
Great video. You're really knowlegeabkle about the decade I lived though and yet missed out on most of these gems. Time for me to catch up. Thanks for the recommendations. BTW I like math rock the band Roadside Monument. Check out their album "Eight hours away from being a man" from 1997
Good list. Think the bands touring out of Japan at the time were very influential - especially Ruins and Zeni Geva. Their earlier bands were super but less influential. Unwound needs a big mention too. Cheers
Miles davis 's "bitches brew" came out in 1969 Funny thing, before Miles got into Hendrix via his wife ( the late rocker Betty Davis) His drummer Tony Williams , left Miles Davis to play the Rock n roll he was into, Hendrix and the MC5 . Those bands inspired his band Tony Williams Lifetime - John Mclaughlin, who played with Miles was in Life time before he formed Mahavishnu Orchestra. Jack De Jonet mentioned in some liner notes that it was actually Tony who steped out first when it camr to the fusion thing , then Miles got hip later. King Crimsons firat album was a game changer but the improtant period as well was the stuff they released a few yeara after that - 1973/ 1974 era ie "Red Era " King Crimon " you can hear examples of this on math rock clearly. One thing someone told me was an influenced, was surf rock. Im not sure but i wouldn't deny it
I'm really glad that you enjoyed it. I have just this week launched a Patreon and a Discord to help me fund this channel/project. All the playlists for all of my videos are available in Patreon, and some extra stuff too. Have a great weekend!
found this video by chance and loved it! I'm a casual math rock listener, but your summary was super useful and amazing! gonna subscribe and catch up your other videos :)
You know more about this than I do, but I am wondering whether the Minutemen (as you point out, an essential alternative band that was on SST Records) were possibly even more influential than Black Flag in getting other musicians to go in the jazz-influenced direction that led to Math Rock. Just something to consider, I suppose. Absolutely wonderful lesson here, and I'm glad to have learned about some of these bands I had not known of. I've just purchased some Chinese Football, thanks for the reference to them!
@@StellasEncounter Oh no doubt, you've got that right, Blag Flag was earlier, and they were far more influential than the Minutemen. Blag Flag and the Dead Kennedys were the closest the punk rock scene had to superstars in the early 1980s. The Minutemen were never so significant. So I think you're right about the influence on Math Rock; we're not disagreeing. But, if you listen to the full catalog of Black Flag, and compare it to the full catalog of the Minutemen, I think you will agree that Black Flag had some degree of jazz incorporated into their style, whereas with the Minutemen it's harder to say, since their style was so idiosyncratic and unique, but at the time, among people in the scene where I lived (in the USA Midwest), the Minutemen were widely recognized as playing music that seemed to have something in common with jazz, whereas no one would have suggested that about Blag Flag, although probably the better-informed listeners should have noticed the fact that they were playing music with a jazz influence. Probably one of the barriers to the Minutemen's wider success (aside from D. Boone dying so young) was the fact that their music was less accessible because of all that wild creativity that drew a more limited audience (just as jazz has a more limited audience-jazz is generally more complex and has a more narrow appeal for that reason). Black Flag, on the other hand, could appeal to audiences that liked pop, metal, rock, punk, and whatever. You can still see people wearing Black Flag shirts and putting Black Flag stickers up to this day around here, but I never see anyone displaying any Minutemen memorabilia. Black Flag anecdote: when they played a show in St. Louis in 1984 (or maybe it was early 1985?) they spent the night in a neighbor's house. Back then, it was not uncommon for punk bands to stay in the homes of local fans as they toured, even the most popular bands. I remember once visiting a friend and having to step around the scattered bodies of some band that were sprawled out on his floor sleeping the morning after a show.
Immediate subscribe outta me on this one, what a thorough and thoughtful interpretation of the scene as a whole, past, present and future. Some great recommendations on the side as well that I will definitely be checking out, keep up the fantastic work!
I was lucky enough to be in Pittsburgh when Don Cab were playing a lot of weird little local shows still, crazy magic in a basement, lol. Also, I think Explosions In The Sky fit in somewhere in the post-punk-proggy-math sphere. for ex: ua-cam.com/video/EuX1ZOy7vY8/v-deo.html
It is extremely sad and disappointing that Sleeping People rarely get mentioned in videos like this when they are BY FAR the best band in the genre after Don Caballero.
I'm the son of Polvo's first drummer, and I just wanted to say that I was really glad to see their presence in this video. This was wonderfully made. I particularly enjoyed how you highlighted the split in sound that propelled artists toward math rock's primary influences, hardcore and jazz.
tell your dad he's still being appreciated and I'm stoked you're even looking into the influence your dad had on an entire genre of music. Watch the new Damon Che videos!
Wow, thanks for your comment! Very cool you found this and enjoyed it! Polvo are an incredible band!! Long live Polvo!!!
@@westwoodmusic604 sorry to break it to you but Eddie Watkins has already passed
ahhh, i wasnt aware of that :( well he is still appreciated and remembered every day through Polvo
I love Polvo 👏👏
My thinking of why math rock took of in Asia isn't the math thing but rather the stereotype of being musical prodigies or at least learning instruments (like piano)) from a young age. That's certainly the case with Elephant Gym.
That's an interesting and very reasonbale take - the focus on the technical side of music playing!
That's debatable
I think its so funny how jazz fusion bands like king crimson and hardcore bands like black flag both came to the free time conclusion for 2 very different reasons. And then a new genre that doesn't really share either of their sentiments was born from their relation.
God bless you for having Don Caballero in here, proper. Bonus points for NoMeansNo! Ruins really belong in here and Wooden Stars
Fucking love Don Cab
Nomeansno forever!!!
@@SH4n1AC_C4C7 0+2+1, solid maths
If people arent familiar with Wooden Stars you really should be!
@@josejalaeno73 Check out Storm and Stress if you are not familiar
I's also like to add that there's a decent Math rock scene popping up in Latin America as well with bands like No Somos Marineros (Mexico), Dj Perro (Mexico), Wanderlust (Peru), and Tortuganomia (Chile) go check them out as well! They are all so good!
Good to know!! I'll give a spin, non-english countries rock needs more exposure!
@@StellasEncounter I 100% agree here some good songs from each band I recommend to listen too
Onnie Jay Holy - No Somos Marineros
Jazztas - Dj Perro
Algo Especial- Wanderlust
Espejos Dorados - Tortuganómina
So bad Math Rock is very obscure in Brazil. Our vecinos are much more into it!
Macho Muchacho in Ecuador
Add Tangled Hair into the "Math rock in the 21st Century" category. Saw them open for Tera Melos and they blew my socks off!
Listen to Colour if you like Tangled Hair. The frontman and guitarist's original band
@@cosmicpanda7043I have!
By far the best video on math rock that I have seen! I feel that Math Rock gets grouped as twinkly, clean mid-west emo when it is so much more! While I like emo music, I feel that you did the genre's other influences justice!
bless you for including black midi.
Imagine my surprise at seeing Henry Rollins having an involvement in yet another thing I like.. Mad respect for that guy
Shoutout Fecking Bahamas, they've done a lot for documenting the history of math rock and keeping the international scene from fading!!
It sounded like you used a Mars Volta riff during a transition, I can't believe they weren't mentioned. Great video!
I didn't...would like to know what song were you thinking?
@@StellasEncounter I would recommend Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt, but really a lot of their songs on their first album Deloused in the Comatorium would fit. The guitar player and singer's prior band, At the Drive-In also have a math rock/punk tendency.
@@ethandraught6435 You're right, it does fit, haha!!
Theres so much to unpack in here, You can hear Albini's work on the Albini mix of In Utero which was only recently released. They used a different mix upon original release. You have all of my favourite bands in here
I'm still a fan of your username!
At some point I'd like to do a piece just focusing on Albini and his influence.
Thank your for taking the time to kindly reply.
Have a great day!
@@StellasEncounter Many thank you's Albini is a force of nature!
Now that was interesting. I can see why it took you awhile to put this together, there are a lot of clips of fairly obscure bands here. This type of approach has always been big here in Portland. Cool that you like Polvo, I remember their guitar player played bass in Helium for awhile. They were pretty cool. That You’re With Stupid book covers a lot of this. I remember being fascinated by free jazz awhile ago, played some crazy John Coltrane (now a hero of mine) for some friends recently and I think they thought I’d lost my mind. I don’t know, maybe I did. Thanks Stella, and I have to say you had me busting up at the end.
Recommending albums Steve Albini has engineered is one of my tactics! Lol good job on the video
Hi - I've been getting into Math(s) Rock (I'm British - no way can I say 'Math Rock' !) over the last year, and I really enjoyed your video and presentation style. Thank you so much - best wishes from Viet Nam.
Haha, glad to know you like this Maths Rock video mate! Best wishes from China:)
Nearly 14 000 views ! Congratulations, Stella !
there is a band that was created in the early 90s called sounds like braille that was around when don cab was getting popular
This is the finest breakdown and synopsis of math rock out there. Many thanks.
Great video. I'm old, but I remember seeing Don Caballero live way back in the day and not really liking them, but over the past 5 years or so I've really gotten into math rock, and LOVE American Don. Currently I'm really enjoying Tangled Hair, they just have such a nuanced sound and their drummer is amazing.
Glad you've found your way here! Thanks for watching! :)
well
this was an adorable accident how I wound up here. Love this!
am glad!!
amazing video and I think that black midi will be a catalyst for a new wave of math rock, due to their large success and blending of the more melodic and noisy sides of the genre
Thank you for the deep dive, she understood the assignment! 🙂↔️
Glad it was helpful!
ive met both battles members. ian and john are both so cool and i got gloss drop signed by both of them
You have a wealth of knowledge related to this genre. Thank you for mentioning No Means No. Some bands that are important to the genre’s development are FredFrith’s Massacre, Breadwinner, Victim’s Family and maybe The Ex. Fantastic work here! Keep it up.
Just discovered your channel, so glad I did 😊Nice to see Louisville bands mentioned 🙂 Cheers from Louisville/ JTown Ky. !
Firstly, welcome!
I'm glad you've found my little bit of the internet, I hope you find enough to hang hang around!
*waves* Hi Louisville, Ky! Much love from SZ, GD, China!
Lately I've been literally obsessed with Chon, they are one of my favorite bands of all time.
Great video and great channel.
Oxes is a very underappreciated math rock band
Glad you had Shorty in there. But can't believe no mention of the Dazzling Killmen.
"many bands were from chicago and other mid-western cites....", I also didn't include Drive Like Jehu as they were from California. (love them btw) it's not the most complete list possible
I'll second that. Shorty I actually never thought too much of, but leaving out Dazzling Killmen is missing a whole aspect of what was originally math rock (unlike the ponsy 21st Century crap).
I really like the editing that you’ve done, both with the clips you’ve chosen and the other animations/graphics
Thank you! (my laptop didn't like it, tho🥲)
you gave such a detailed timeline naming so many good bands, thanks for the video
Glad you liked it!
Literally just got into Math rock (except Slint if you can call them Math rock or post rock?) through Hella and then Don Caballero and now I'm falling down the rabbit hole, along with Minutemen just in the past week who BLEW MY MIND. They remind me of Gang of Fours first album "Entertainment"
Would love to see a brief history of post rock
I swear to God, if she doesn't mention Swans and Tortoise...
Another band I think goes unnoticed within the math rock area is Massacre. Their album Killing Time is amazing.
You looking off camera in search of your thoughts is very endearing.
Great video!
haha, thank you!
excellent history! brought me down memory lane... now I'm going to be blasting shellac and slint for the next few hours.
hahaha memory lane
P.S. Rodan
thank you for mentioning captain beefheart. moonlight on vermont is pure math rock.
I love that you included Piglet in the intro. There are some great deep-cuts in your videos and I'm impressed with your knowledge. Great stuff and keep it up!
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
Stella, I only can thank you for the amazing researching job. This could be a chapter of a book or a part of a documentary. It's excellent!
Wow, thank you!!!
I really enjoy Elephant Gym. Their latest album is amazing.
Very insightful! I knew shockingly little of this
Makes me happy to know you took something away. Enjoy the rest of your weekend, and hanks for taking the time comment.
Great video! I will also recommend checking out the band Algernon Cadwallader. Noodly emo-math rock band from the Philadephia area in the mid 2000s. Really passionate music with some fairly technical guitar work, but also fun and light-hearted, if that makes sense.
Drive Like Jehu ❤️❤️❤️
Elephant Gym, The Bulletproof Tiger, Stage Kids, Chon, Lite, Toe, Floral, Covet, Alarmist some of my favorites to name a few. Great video btw👏🏾
Thanks, glad you liked it!
@@StellasEncounter You should check out my covers, some crazy riffs🤙🏽
What a great and informative video! I love tricot, TTNG, and Chon, and it was really cool to see how this genre evolved over time :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video. I am here as a tricot fan and will be checking out some of the other math rock bands you mentioned in this video.
Rock on!
Johnboy, Donora, T4, Punching Contest, Norrhern Bushmen, Wider.
thanks, stella - super videos!
I'm actually a big fan of math rock, and btw I really love your videos! Math rock is kind of music explores me to the next level, so magical and so euphonious💛✨I'll already subscribe to your channel😊
Thanks for the support, glad you like them!
Stella you are doing great, literally been a fan since I saw you networking. Never give up, incredible
aww thank you!! You subscribed back in 2021??
Another early influence is Richmond, VA band Breadwinner, and the previous band of Breadwinner's guitarist Honor Role.
thank you for the video! and especially thank you for listing all the related artists in the description 🥲
welcome!
I really enjoyed this video, thanks for the great info. Also, I'm really impressed by such great vocabulary outside the mother tongue - better than a lot of natives I know! Subscribed
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers! :)
Tough genre to tackle but you did it. I really liked Polvo - Exploded drawing. A few other interesting bands I would call math rock were Macha that were from Athens who also used a lot of Asian influences. Also a band called Lite that I saw open up for Mike Watt one time; a Japanese band. Also a more recent band I think could be considered math rock is El ten eleven.
Macha did an album with Bedhead, right? Hahaha the video briefly mentioned LITE at the end!
@@StellasEncounter Yes, I forgot Macha did an album with Bedhead. Macha was always quite under-rated IMO. The bass player for Macha is now with Deerhunter. I missed your LITE shoutout but caught it in the rewatch. I captured this video of LITE - Rabbit in 2011. I have to say this is one of the most inspiring moments of indie rock I have ever seen. To see these guys up on stage for the first time in the US and struggling with the little English they knew but then to completely melt our faces with this version of Rabbit - it was quite fantastic(sorry for my amateur video skills) - ua-cam.com/video/bYj-qupSmGQ/v-deo.html
@@wlouisharris That was great, thanks for sharing! Hope more Asian bands will be performing overseas!
@@StellasEncounter Yes, hopefully so. This was 2011 so quite a while ago and quite a different time. I felt like there was more vibrant indie rock scene at that time; especially in Atlanta, GA. Mike Watt was very supportive of Lite and Asian bands. Now indie rock seems like a nostalgia tour for the bands that are still around. It is good that younger generations are taking interest and of course people like you in Asia taking interesting in these genres of rock music.
Thanks for your descriptions, I’ve recently been listening to SOKONINARU, I had no idea how to categorise them, I now think they are masters of math rock
Great video. You're really knowlegeabkle about the decade I lived though and yet missed out on most of these gems. Time for me to catch up. Thanks for the recommendations. BTW I like math rock the band Roadside Monument. Check out their album "Eight hours away from being a man" from 1997
I learned a lot about math rock from this, thank you Stella!
Keep the videos coming, Stella.
Will do!
Good list. Think the bands touring out of Japan at the time were very influential - especially Ruins and Zeni Geva. Their earlier bands were super but less influential. Unwound needs a big mention too. Cheers
awesome... great review !
Thank you! Cheers!
japanese math rock has my ❤
Very good video! It deserves more love!
Wow I lived the math rock era the video makes me want to listen to some of the bands I missed thanks
really enjoyed this! ....i'd add Breadwinner from Richmond, Virgina 1990-1992 . heavy and obtuse.
You have done some really good research in this video! 👏👏👏 Glad you mentioned Polvo too, I love them, and of course Shellac. Oh and Toe!
Anyone reading this comment should listen to Delta Sleep, they are a British math rock band
Cool video! I've been listening to math rock for over a decade and this put me on to sooo much more music lol
Rock on!
Thank you for that. Polvo are one of my favorite bands. 🎼✨
i got encounter stella marathon 🤟🤓 come on! the lightning seeds
Miles davis 's "bitches brew" came out in 1969
Funny thing, before Miles got into Hendrix via his wife ( the late rocker Betty Davis) His drummer Tony Williams , left Miles Davis to play the Rock n roll he was into, Hendrix and the MC5 . Those bands inspired his band Tony Williams Lifetime - John Mclaughlin, who played with Miles was in Life time before he formed Mahavishnu Orchestra. Jack De Jonet mentioned in some liner notes that it was actually Tony who steped out first when it camr to the fusion thing , then Miles got hip later. King Crimsons firat album was a game changer but the improtant period as well was the stuff they released a few yeara after that - 1973/ 1974 era ie "Red Era " King Crimon " you can hear examples of this on math rock clearly. One thing someone told me was an influenced, was surf rock. Im not sure but i wouldn't deny it
It will be great to have a documentary about progressive rock.
great video! you mentioned literally all of my favorite 90s bands
glad you enjoyed!
thanks for this video, im glad I discovered your channel
Welcome!
Great list, i love it and knew less than half of it. Being lazy, i was wondering: do younshare playliststs of your show(s) content somewhere?
I'm really glad that you enjoyed it. I have just this week launched a Patreon and a Discord to help me fund this channel/project. All the playlists for all of my videos are available in Patreon, and some extra stuff too.
Have a great weekend!
I almost didn't click on this.
And then...
First frame, Damon Che!!!🎉
hahahaha~!!
The bands that turned me onto Math Rock were Don Cab, Polvo, and Hella.
Nice! Just got recommended this on my yt front page. You'll probably see a big bump in subscribers soon :)
What a great channel. Great taste in music. I've learned a few great things watching your videos
Glad to hear it!
the live action meme was good fun, but, this is a great video, heavy with quality well researched content! Congratulations on its success.
great vid! Pretend is my fave band
Cool. I agree they are great!
Thank you for taking the time to comment.
Have a great weekend!
Just... wow. This video encapsulates and makes a conection between many genres I like a lot... I know and love many of this bands! Good work!
Rock on!
Don't forget Pretend, Rumah Shakit, Massacre
Phenomenal work on these documentaries/video essays on genres. 👍 Best explanation of Math Rock history I've ever seen.
Wow, thanks!
came for the content, stayed for the lovely accent
Awesome video on an under-appreciated genre!
Thank you for your great insight to explore and to expose the general public to the many genres of truly underground music. Cheers Y'all!
Cool! It would be great if you included some playlists on your videos. Cheers!
That's a great idea! Cheers! :)
I love that there is a band called Chinese Football
American Football toured with them in Asia, for a couple of shows at least.
their s/t is a masterpiece
Hahaha same!
found this video by chance and loved it! I'm a casual math rock listener, but your summary was super useful and amazing! gonna subscribe and catch up your other videos :)
Thanks for the sub and welcome here! Am glad you got something from it!
You know more about this than I do, but I am wondering whether the Minutemen (as you point out, an essential alternative band that was on SST Records) were possibly even more influential than Black Flag in getting other musicians to go in the jazz-influenced direction that led to Math Rock. Just something to consider, I suppose.
Absolutely wonderful lesson here, and I'm glad to have learned about some of these bands I had not known of. I've just purchased some Chinese Football, thanks for the reference to them!
Minutemen have a bit of math-rock in them, but Black Flag are earlier and more influential. You're welcome! :) Hope you enjoy Chinese football :)
@@StellasEncounter Oh no doubt, you've got that right, Blag Flag was earlier, and they were far more influential than the Minutemen. Blag Flag and the Dead Kennedys were the closest the punk rock scene had to superstars in the early 1980s. The Minutemen were never so significant. So I think you're right about the influence on Math Rock; we're not disagreeing. But, if you listen to the full catalog of Black Flag, and compare it to the full catalog of the Minutemen, I think you will agree that Black Flag had some degree of jazz incorporated into their style, whereas with the Minutemen it's harder to say, since their style was so idiosyncratic and unique, but at the time, among people in the scene where I lived (in the USA Midwest), the Minutemen were widely recognized as playing music that seemed to have something in common with jazz, whereas no one would have suggested that about Blag Flag, although probably the better-informed listeners should have noticed the fact that they were playing music with a jazz influence. Probably one of the barriers to the Minutemen's wider success (aside from D. Boone dying so young) was the fact that their music was less accessible because of all that wild creativity that drew a more limited audience (just as jazz has a more limited audience-jazz is generally more complex and has a more narrow appeal for that reason). Black Flag, on the other hand, could appeal to audiences that liked pop, metal, rock, punk, and whatever. You can still see people wearing Black Flag shirts and putting Black Flag stickers up to this day around here, but I never see anyone displaying any Minutemen memorabilia. Black Flag anecdote: when they played a show in St. Louis in 1984 (or maybe it was early 1985?) they spent the night in a neighbor's house. Back then, it was not uncommon for punk bands to stay in the homes of local fans as they toured, even the most popular bands. I remember once visiting a friend and having to step around the scattered bodies of some band that were sprawled out on his floor sleeping the morning after a show.
Immediate subscribe outta me on this one, what a thorough and thoughtful interpretation of the scene as a whole, past, present and future. Some great recommendations on the side as well that I will definitely be checking out, keep up the fantastic work!
Thank you, glad you liked it!
good video, it was nice seeing some bands I completely forgot over the years. keep up the good work!
Glad you enjoyed and picked up some old golds!
Am I the only one who found her through ad on 4chan?
Loaf
Dave Knudson was influential as well. Great work though, really.
nice work, this was really thorough.
THANK YOU!! Favorite Rock genre (apart from metal)
such a great video. i really enjoy how much depth your videos have
best mathrock band is Invalids imo, they’re perfect
great video, well researched and to the point!
If you don't know them, I suggest to listen to Laddio Bolocko. Their full discography is on the double CD The life and times of Laddio Bolocko.
Great suggestion! Thanks for taking the time to reply. Have a great day!
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL
I was lucky enough to be in Pittsburgh when Don Cab were playing a lot of weird little local shows still, crazy magic in a basement, lol. Also, I think Explosions In The Sky fit in somewhere in the post-punk-proggy-math sphere. for ex:
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interesting! been loving that song for years didn't notice until now.
It is extremely sad and disappointing that Sleeping People rarely get mentioned in videos like this when they are BY FAR the best band in the genre after Don Caballero.
What a lovely stack of informations
Lol! Glad you think so!
Enjoy your weekend!