I do, i like it a lot. The more pop hooks i hear over the years, the more boring and repetitive they become. No wave represents a break from traditional musical themes. They may not realise it, but the musicians are playing with structure, it’s just a very complex and less accessible structure, utilising Chromatic scales.
SWANS!! Sadly I did not get to see them in that era, I did get to see them in in the last 10 years, not as chaotic as that era, I'm sure BUT still amazing live, and LOUD! There current era seems to be a more dark noise folk, with more focus and intensity. So many of the bands in this video, I heard about and or heard, in the mid 80s. So much wonderful music! Thanks for your amazing videos 😻 And sorry your tummy hurts 😿 🌻🌻
Oh yeah, they were able to get away with a lot at their live shows back then. They had an unrivaled reputation, which is part of why Michael pushed to make that initial change into gothic music. He didn't like the audience it was attracting, people didn't understand that it was never gross extremity for its own sake but about losing yourself in the sound. I think the mid 90s was their peak in their transcendental live music and I wish I could've been there for the legendary set in Belgium that makes up half of the Swans Are Dead album.
If we expand the definition of No Wave beyond the NYC scene, we should probably include SPK (Austraia), Boredoms (Japan), Smegma (California) and Scratch Acid (Texas)
And then to the whole little Geniale Dilletanten movement of Berlin (Einstuerzende Neubauten (early), Die Toedliche Doris, Sprung aus den Wolken, Leben und Arbeiten (some songs), Alexander Borsig / Christiane F. / Sentimentale Jugend, etc.).
Before “You Spin Me Round”, Dead Or Alive were known as Nightmares In Wax and were essentially a British version of a no wave band. But possibly the most definitive British no wave band is Blurt.
Thalia Zedek is probably the most significant artist to emerge from No Wave. From Uzi to Live Skull and then later Come and finally her solo career, she’s traversed No Wave, Noise Rock, AND Grunge
Great coverage of No Wave! I would argue The Residents make more sense being mentioned alongside Yoko Ono & Plastic Ono Band since they were making atonal de-constructive music since the early 1970s. By the late 1970s they were moving away from deconstruction and more towards album long concept albums that had more structure and while still experimental, less so in a No Wave vein than their earlier releases had been.
You were having too much fun there at the end of the world, Stella! "You paddle out, turn around and raise \ And baby that's all there is to the coastline craze \ You gotta catch a wave and you're sittin' on top of the world" --The Beach Boys, "Catch A Wave", September 16, 1963 Avante-garde experimental punk rock was not on the menu when I was in grade school, so afaik, the no-wave made no ripples in California, at least not directly. Sonic Youth were the noisiest band in the land from when I was in college to beyond. I vaguely remember some controversy over a Lydia Lunch album or something back then that I paid no attention to. It wasn't until years later after seeing two Richard Kern short films she performed in, Submit to Me (1985) and Fingered (1988), that I began to see the fuss. Brutal! Lydia Lunch is a performance artist - with explicit tastes - might be one way to put it. More recently, she was one of the last people Anthony Bourdain interviewed for his television show before his demise. Her presence kept it real. 💯
Sonic Youth. I already know of and like many of these bands, including Suicide, Swans and Lydia Lunch. Now you've given me a whole load of extra names to check out!
I remember getting it to no wave music when I was 16 and 17. Sonic Youth's debut album scared me. It was so dark and strange I didn't know how to deal with it. So I continue just to listen to it on repeat over and over over.
thank you for honouring YOKO ONO’s rightful place in NO WAVE history. we LOVE: theoretical girls, LYDIA LUNCH, james chance, SUICIDE, etc. et al. and also love jim jarmusch and SONIC YOUTH, and we thank you for (new to us) CARSICK CARS. ❤ 🎸 somewhat related we love the documentary 🎥 BLANK CITY, on no wave cinema xo
Nice one Stella! As a fan of No Wave for 35 years now I have to admit I didn't learn anything new. But, as far as I know, all you said was correct and interesting. Really enjoyed watching this!
Thank you Stella! I reckon No Wave allowed for atonality to become viable force in pop, making rock's pallet that much broader. It's brief musical moments like these in which that create history.
Great videos! Another influence is John Cage as many of these bands thought punk didn't go far enough in its revolt against the status quo since they continued to use chord structure and rhythms of traditional rock and roll.
Great video about one of my favorite movements! There's a live compilation album out there called Speed Trials from 83 that I believe was curated by Thurston Moore that features a host of No Wave bands. Really nice comp. A couple great performances from The Fall, pre-hiphop Beastie Boys, The Swans, Live Skull, Lydia, Sonic Youth, and Carbon. Worth looking for.
Great video! I've been a fan of no wave for years but didn't really know the history, really cool to see such a well structured composite of those bands and influences. Great work, cheers!
Wow you brought up a term I have never heard of before. Thought I knew most of the ones related to the general genre of rock and pop. so far seems a little like hard core punk
I love no wave. i feel like in providence, ri (art city) there were a lot of bands such as arab on radar doing similarly intense stuff in the late 90's worth a mention.
No Wave was not confined to NYC. It was also in London, Berlin and especially in San Francisco on the West Coast. SF had a thriving, dynamic No Wave scene with dozens of experimental bands. Both NYC and SF had avant garde music traditions in place since the 1950s and before. The Downtown Music Scene (NYC) and the Bay Area Improv Scene (SF). I am from NYC and went back and forth on both costs each month and I can tell you at times the SF music scene was more interesting and creative than NYC. This often gets overlooked. Same with the SF/LA punk scenes of the late 1970s and 1980s which eclipsed the NYC punk scene. SF also had a vibrant thrash speed metal renaissance happening at the time. Then early raves and cyberpunk in the mid-1980s before London. People always talk about the Sixties and the psychedelic music but SF area was a epicenter of creativity for several decades. The Media almost always overlooks this. There were also a few no wave bands scattered across the U.S. and the world. Punk did not start in NYC and neither did No Wave. That is just a false narrative perpetuated by the NYC-centric Media. The reality is more complicated. For example the SF band MX-80 (originally from Illinois) sounded like Sonic Youth in 1977 several years before Sonic Youth even formed. They influenced Sonic Youth, The Swans and countless other bands. They were one of the Godfathers of No Wave yet they are never given respect. I was there, man. Saw it all on both coasts and in Europe.
As a movement, it actually was more of a New York regional thing thing -title wise, but if we want to compare similarities, we can talk about just what also became know as art punk and post-punk in general. No wave was predominantly a New York description of what they were doing, that was not The Ramones or acts like television or blondie - who were being called new wave at one point.. It was definitely more of an avant garde movement so that was their title. It was like saying f**k " new wave" because some of what was coming out of that scene was being called that. These bands not only didn't fit into that corporate title, they also were cut from a whole different clth approach wise to some degree.Back then, all of it was just punk rock . Most people would think of it as today. It wasn't just three chord... bands like the residents were looked at with punk interest... punk was anything that was Outsider and unconventional. It was a Avant garde. Punk reignited a lot of subcultures -rude boy, skin head culture even teddy boy. But no one really talks about how much it really used a lot of the avant garde sensibilities before it.. that u mentioned ...it even had the same affect on the Avant garde underground that it did with other subcultures -definitely of what became known as no wave and post punk.
Hi Stella - Love Stranger Than Paradise & definitely New York City led the way with Sonic Youth & Lydia Lunch. The Swans do nice covers of Love Will Tear Us Apart & Can't Find My Way Home. Pere Ubu were pretty good as were Throbbing Gristle. The Fall also were brilliant. Nice look at the sub culture 👌
I’ve got to hand it to you, you can make a presentation on a musical movement as unpalatable as No Wave entertaining and dare I say fun. I’m a fan of the bands and music that were influenced by No Wave. I remember hearing Sonic Youth and Live Skull and Swans for the first time later in the 80’s and thinking the intensity was so much rawer than what traditional punk rock and hardcore had offered a few years before. Being able to listen to Scratch Acid and enjoy it was a true feat! And I hadn’t thought of the Golden Palominos for a very long time! Good job, as always.
Thank you! Many bands from touch and go are amazing, like Scratch Acid! The silly bits don't take a lot of time to do, and I'm glad they at least deliver!
Always great to see an upload from you, your videos are great I love the unbiased coverage of these subgenres that you do gives me new stuff to listen to!
This is a great video, i love everything you had to say, especially the bit about Branca. Cleveland bands should be in there somewhere, Rocket From the Tombs and Electric Eels were a massive influence.
I didn't know a thing about No Wave despite running into the tag on music websites and your video was such a good intro to the scene. you've clearly put a lot of work into this, crazy how you don't have more views
I only really liked Sonic Youth’s most commercial songs when i was younger, but as i got older i started to understand their more Avant Garde songs, and began to prefer them.
love your videos stella! you should make a video on black metal dungeon synth, or the artist "B.s.O.D" who no one really ever made a video about. amazing video!
Found this vid because after decades of loving so many music, i never understood the term. I loved many bands labeled as such. But couldn't describe it. Thanks you! Ps James Chance's music was what i costly knew about
I love that New York Noise compilation, I got it from the legendary Repo Records in Philadelphia, PA and it had a huge influence on me. One of my favorite bands on there was funk-punk sister trio ESG, simple and awesome and sampled thousands of times. Check 'em out!
stellar stella, you are soooo creative. another stellar video✨✨✨✨✨✨"Stranger than Paradise" is gold. BTW, Jarmusch knows punk rock as well as anyone i've met..he hung out with iggy, ramones, clash, joy division, sex pistols... stella, i viewed another youtube channel segment yesterday about 10 Most Under-rated Albums...she also is very informative and she mentioned you and your channel in the segment while referencing"Shoe Gaze" :)
You are always even MORE informative and entertaining than before with each video you present. I just hope you can keep it up without eventually exploding. ;-) Whenever you start working on a Brief History of Ambient Music, I hope you'll let me know because I'm a sometime ambient musician who's been around for a while, and I have some definite opinions on its evolution (and de-evolution, lmao). ❤🖤
My cousin gave me the no new york comp when I was a kid and I've been obsessed ever since. Confusion is sex was my first SY album, too. Kill yr idols is such a great track.
Good video and I do agree that no wave was more of a New York response to what punk was saying it was - challenging punk to be very non conformist. Or not caring at all just doing what it wants Although some people might think that no way was beyond New York entitled, it wasn't. There are other Avant guard movements within punk rock. But they were not called no way that definitely is a New York title given to there. Take on experimental music in regards to punk rock. I wouldn't call bands like pink section, the dead Beats tunnel canary or Chrome. No way because that wasn't what they called their stuff . But I'm sure if they were in New York. They would have been lumped in with many of those Bands Much of what people were calling heartpunk now in even post-punk. It's probably what they would have been labeled, but no way definitely was more of a regional thing Title wise but much of It is similar to postpunk in the u k and a lot of the art punk in san francisco and los angeles,. No wave title wise is speciific to New York and their take on avant garde or expirmental music to punk . So altho its looked at more as a genre outside of NY by truth be told it was more of a NY movement . No other people were calling their stuff that back then , even doong sounds that were similar- black randy and metro squad , the Deadbeats , the residents ( they were a band before no wave happend), nervous gender , Crash course in science were around the same time and that title didnt apply to them back then. But there were much of the similarities muscially.
Big Black is such an American banned. They're one of the most important musical groups to come out of the 80s. I would love to see you do a report on them if you're not scared of their music
That was a fun presentation and an excellent❤ summary of the No Wave scene, Stella - keep up the good work. I am currently reading * Sonic life****by Thurston Moore, so devouring everything l can get to bring his story to life, thx.
It's funny that the lead singer of the band DNA, which has the most wild sounds comes from someone who looks as if he's the most mild mannered. It's all good.
I went to NYC one time in 1981 for my Uncle's wedding. We staid in Long Island. We went to Manhattan 1 day and I caught a lot of the grime that Taxi Driver focused on. It was chaotic. We went through Time's square and someone had set off some kind of small explosive in the sewer. It was almost like a common occurrence for things like that to go on. We went down to Battery Park. I was looking at some key chains at this stand and I'll never forget the vendor grabbed them from me and said "if you're not going to buy it don't touch it." People told us to not dare get on the subway. There is still some of that Northeast cold attitude but nothing like it was.
Great video, as usual. I don't think I have any No Wave in my discography except Suicide. I know several of the bands named, but at a later period. This said, similar bands but not from NYC I enjoy. Btw, if you're into more bluesy music, John Laurie created a singer character named Marvin Pontiac, with fictional bio and all. Excellent album.
I was at the Sonic Youth show in Beijing in 2007! Car Sick Cars ended up not opening the show, though. The Ministry of Culture found out that Sonic Youth had a played a Free Tibet concert in the past and cancelled Car Sick Cars performance because of that. They still let Sonic Youth perform, though. It was great show!
It was foremost a movement in music, but it's parenthesized in other art mediums, as well. It shot a snarling middle finger at the pimp and whore NYC art scene, and justly so.
I'll be in Beijing in a few weeks. I definitely want to catch up on what I've missed in the last 2 years. The music scene was great in 2018-2020, and I'm sure it's still great.
@@StellasEncounter Thank you! The local scene is good, and going down to Fruity Record Shop will be fun. It was so good to meet such knowledgable people.
Be careful when purchasing Mars records, some of them (specifically the Rough Trade/Widowspeak issue) have been run through a distortion and sound insane compared to the original recordings.
I could never understand most of No Wave. A band I was in would sometimes be on the same concert bill as local bands with screaming out-of-all-keys vocals, atonal guitars, thrashing arhythmic drumming...someone put on the bill to be "edgy", but everyone would leave while they played. It was just noise. Although, I do like John Cage's music. We have the same birthday! What do we win? :D
If you don't mind me asking, what was the name of your band, and (if you remember) what were the names of the local, out-of-all-keys, atonal, thrashing, arrhythmic bands? (I'm obsessed with constantly discovering new songs)
@@EvilCat-EnergyCatalyst I do not remember the names of any of those bands, likely due to finding them unlistenable. Sorry. The band I was in at the time was Vergiftung. Someone we did play with who was fantastic was Evolution Control Committee. A band we did not play with at the time but saw live many times was The Belgian Waffles.
it feels like it's related to dadaism it seems to have the same psychological roots i'm interested in it; from the perspective of fascination with nature of art sciences and the phenomena of folk art but it feels like the musical equivalent of a tantrum thus a very disempowered way to live. some of the [non-musicians] seem to just be legitimately exploring and experimenting with sound others seem to be just deluded hypocrite elitist snobs. off topic: Do you identify as INTP?
I'd heard of no wave, but didn't know much about it. Thanks for informing me. Now I know it's the absolute most unhappy, pretentious art movement ever.
I discovered No Wave from looking for suggestions of bands that somehow combined punk and jazz, which led me to James Chance and the Contortionists. The wikipedia page for the band lists one of its genres as No Wave, which led me to at least become familiar with all the main bands listed here.
Do you find No Wave listenable? 😄😉
Honestly no. I find the movement interesting but god no it is terrible music.
barely but it's not meant to be accessable or normal
I do, i like it a lot. The more pop hooks i hear over the years, the more boring and repetitive they become. No wave represents a break from traditional musical themes.
They may not realise it, but the musicians are playing with structure, it’s just a very complex and less accessible structure, utilising Chromatic scales.
kinda. I can easilly get into the early Sonic Youth albuns and some of No New York but stuff like Glenn Branca still very weird for me
Very. Most of my favourite music could be considered No-Wave or similar.
SWANS!! Sadly I did not get to see them in that era, I did get to see them in in the last 10 years, not as chaotic as that era, I'm sure BUT still amazing live, and LOUD! There current era seems to be a more dark noise folk, with more focus and intensity. So many of the bands in this video, I heard about and or heard, in the mid 80s. So much wonderful music! Thanks for your amazing videos 😻 And sorry your tummy hurts 😿 🌻🌻
My favorite band in the world 😍!
Oh yeah, they were able to get away with a lot at their live shows back then. They had an unrivaled reputation, which is part of why Michael pushed to make that initial change into gothic music. He didn't like the audience it was attracting, people didn't understand that it was never gross extremity for its own sake but about losing yourself in the sound. I think the mid 90s was their peak in their transcendental live music and I wish I could've been there for the legendary set in Belgium that makes up half of the Swans Are Dead album.
*WORLD LOOKS RED*
Posers filter - Swans!! :D
Blind is an amazing piece of music but on the whole late Swans are a bit meh.
If we expand the definition of No Wave beyond the NYC scene, we should probably include SPK (Austraia), Boredoms (Japan), Smegma (California) and Scratch Acid (Texas)
And then to the whole little Geniale Dilletanten movement of Berlin (Einstuerzende Neubauten (early), Die Toedliche Doris, Sprung aus den Wolken, Leben und Arbeiten (some songs), Alexander Borsig / Christiane F. / Sentimentale Jugend, etc.).
Before “You Spin Me Round”, Dead Or Alive were known as Nightmares In Wax and were essentially a British version of a no wave band. But possibly the most definitive British no wave band is Blurt.
Boredoms are no wave? Wow
But New York though.
Milli Vanilli
Thalia Zedek is probably the most significant artist to emerge from No Wave. From Uzi to Live Skull and then later Come and finally her solo career, she’s traversed No Wave, Noise Rock, AND Grunge
Thalia rules!
This is such a cool video and style of content. Subscribed, hope you upload more !!
Great coverage of No Wave! I would argue The Residents make more sense being mentioned alongside Yoko Ono & Plastic Ono Band since they were making atonal de-constructive music since the early 1970s. By the late 1970s they were moving away from deconstruction and more towards album long concept albums that had more structure and while still experimental, less so in a No Wave vein than their earlier releases had been.
You were having too much fun there at the end of the world, Stella! "You paddle out, turn around and raise \ And baby that's all there is to the coastline craze \ You gotta catch a wave and you're sittin' on top of the world" --The Beach Boys, "Catch A Wave", September 16, 1963 Avante-garde experimental punk rock was not on the menu when I was in grade school, so afaik, the no-wave made no ripples in California, at least not directly. Sonic Youth were the noisiest band in the land from when I was in college to beyond. I vaguely remember some controversy over a Lydia Lunch album or something back then that I paid no attention to. It wasn't until years later after seeing two Richard Kern short films she performed in, Submit to Me (1985) and Fingered (1988), that I began to see the fuss. Brutal! Lydia Lunch is a performance artist - with explicit tastes - might be one way to put it. More recently, she was one of the last people Anthony Bourdain interviewed for his television show before his demise. Her presence kept it real. 💯
Sonic Youth. I already know of and like many of these bands, including Suicide, Swans and Lydia Lunch. Now you've given me a whole load of extra names to check out!
I remember getting it to no wave music when I was 16 and 17. Sonic Youth's debut album scared me. It was so dark and strange I didn't know how to deal with it. So I continue just to listen to it on repeat over and over over.
Live Skull e.p. is one of my favorite Noise Rock's albums. A definite influence from no wave and early Sonic Youth.
thank you for honouring YOKO ONO’s rightful place in NO WAVE history. we LOVE: theoretical girls, LYDIA LUNCH, james chance, SUICIDE, etc. et al. and also love jim jarmusch and SONIC YOUTH, and we thank you for (new to us) CARSICK CARS. ❤ 🎸 somewhat related we love the documentary 🎥 BLANK CITY, on no wave cinema xo
I had no knowledge about No Wave, so thanks for this! Good to learn new stuff about music. Plus your presentation is hugely entertaining, as usual 😂
Fantastic work Stella! I really liked your analysis of the precursors and how you made a direct connection between Ornette Coleman and No Wave.
Needed this video fr 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Very cool. Thought I knew quite a lot about no wave, now I know a lot more.
haha thanks for watching :)
Nice one Stella! As a fan of No Wave for 35 years now I have to admit I didn't learn anything new. But, as far as I know, all you said was correct and interesting. Really enjoyed watching this!
Thank you Stella! I reckon No Wave allowed for atonality to become viable force in pop, making rock's pallet that much broader. It's brief musical moments like these in which that create history.
Great videos! Another influence is John Cage as many of these bands thought punk didn't go far enough in its revolt against the status quo since they continued to use chord structure and rhythms of traditional rock and roll.
I had no idea Eno put together a No Wave compilation, will definitely have to check that out! Great video btw
thanks for watching!
Another great episode. So good to see someone with passion share these scenes!
Great video and a lot of research was put into it! Gave me a lot of names to check out.. The only ones I knew before was ESG and Liquid Liquid
Great video about one of my favorite movements! There's a live compilation album out there called Speed Trials from 83 that I believe was curated by Thurston Moore that features a host of No Wave bands. Really nice comp. A couple great performances from The Fall, pre-hiphop Beastie Boys, The Swans, Live Skull, Lydia, Sonic Youth, and Carbon. Worth looking for.
This is 👌 great thanks for posting!
My pleasure!
This is a very interesting video! I also really love swans
Great video! I've been a fan of no wave for years but didn't really know the history, really cool to see such a well structured composite of those bands and influences. Great work, cheers!
Awesome, thank you!!
Thank you, so much I want to check out that I barely knew about!
welcome!!
love your content. Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge!
Great job!
Thank you! Cheers!
Great video! Thank you very much
Brilliant as always
Wow you brought up a term I have never heard of before. Thought I knew most of the ones related to the general genre of rock and pop. so far seems a little like hard core punk
Love your videos! Really enjoyed this one!
I love the theater effects in the opening! Another great video, Stella.
Glad you liked it!!
Thank you for making this video.
I love it you included Ambitious Lovers!
cheers!!
I love no wave. i feel like in providence, ri (art city) there were a lot of bands such as arab on radar doing similarly intense stuff in the late 90's worth a mention.
thanks for this stella, this was always a part of music i never understood
-ash
Amazing overview of No Wave! You have added to my knowledge. Than you!
My pleasure!
No Wave was not confined to NYC. It was also in London, Berlin and especially in San Francisco on the West Coast. SF had a thriving, dynamic No Wave scene with dozens of experimental bands. Both NYC and SF had avant garde music traditions in place since the 1950s and before. The Downtown Music Scene (NYC) and the Bay Area Improv Scene (SF). I am from NYC and went back and forth on both costs each month and I can tell you at times the SF music scene was more interesting and creative than NYC. This often gets overlooked. Same with the SF/LA punk scenes of the late 1970s and 1980s which eclipsed the NYC punk scene. SF also had a vibrant thrash speed metal renaissance happening at the time. Then early raves and cyberpunk in the mid-1980s before London. People always talk about the Sixties and the psychedelic music but SF area was a epicenter of creativity for several decades. The Media almost always overlooks this. There were also a few no wave bands scattered across the U.S. and the world. Punk did not start in NYC and neither did No Wave. That is just a false narrative perpetuated by the NYC-centric Media. The reality is more complicated. For example the SF band MX-80 (originally from Illinois) sounded like Sonic Youth in 1977 several years before Sonic Youth even formed. They influenced Sonic Youth, The Swans and countless other bands. They were one of the Godfathers of No Wave yet they are never given respect. I was there, man. Saw it all on both coasts and in Europe.
Shout out Chrome
As a movement, it actually was more of a New York regional thing thing -title wise, but if we want to compare similarities, we can talk about just what also became know as art punk and post-punk in general. No wave was predominantly a New York description of what they were doing, that was not The Ramones or acts like television or blondie - who were being called new wave at one point.. It was definitely more of an avant garde movement so that was their title. It was like saying f**k " new wave" because some of what was coming out of that scene was being called that. These bands not only didn't fit into that corporate title, they also were cut from a whole different clth approach wise to some degree.Back then, all of it was just punk rock . Most people would think of it as today. It wasn't just three chord... bands like the residents were looked at with punk interest... punk was anything that was Outsider and unconventional. It was a Avant garde. Punk reignited a lot of subcultures -rude boy, skin head culture even teddy boy. But no one really talks about how much it really used a lot of the avant garde sensibilities before it.. that u mentioned ...it even had the same affect on the Avant garde underground that it did with other subcultures -definitely of what became known as no wave and post punk.
Hi Stella - Love Stranger Than Paradise & definitely New York City led the way with Sonic Youth & Lydia Lunch. The Swans do nice covers of Love Will Tear Us Apart & Can't Find My Way Home. Pere Ubu were pretty good as were Throbbing Gristle. The Fall also were brilliant. Nice look at the sub culture 👌
I’ve got to hand it to you, you can make a presentation on a musical movement as unpalatable as No Wave entertaining and dare I say fun. I’m a fan of the bands and music that were influenced by No Wave. I remember hearing Sonic Youth and Live Skull and Swans for the first time later in the 80’s and thinking the intensity was so much rawer than what traditional punk rock and hardcore had offered a few years before. Being able to listen to Scratch Acid and enjoy it was a true feat! And I hadn’t thought of the Golden Palominos for a very long time! Good job, as always.
Thank you! Many bands from touch and go are amazing, like Scratch Acid! The silly bits don't take a lot of time to do, and I'm glad they at least deliver!
Always great to see an upload from you, your videos are great I love the unbiased coverage of these subgenres that you do gives me new stuff to listen to!
Thank you very much!
No wave didn't survive because it was not music. It was there to make a point of nihilism, but the novelty of that wore off and people moved on.
This is a great video, i love everything you had to say, especially the bit about Branca. Cleveland bands should be in there somewhere, Rocket From the Tombs and Electric Eels were a massive influence.
and Pere Ubu also
@@Xcalator35 Rocket From the Tombs is early Pere Ubu
@@Xcalator35 Also Tim Wright from Ubu was in DNA, so there's this nice connection.
Thank you and good morning, Stella! (Arto Lindsay might be a genius!)
What a great video! Subbed!
Thanks for the sub!
I didn't know a thing about No Wave despite running into the tag on music websites and your video was such a good intro to the scene.
you've clearly put a lot of work into this, crazy how you don't have more views
I knew I recognized Arto Lindsay's name from somewhere and he actually was in the Lounge Lizards as well
Glad you liked it!! Thank you :)
Crazy - was just listening to the list on Spots when this popped up. Quite the deep dig there
A bit of a Sonic Youth fan; thanks to your vid can see the influence
Another stellar pop culture history video Stella. 👍
I only really liked Sonic Youth’s most commercial songs when i was younger, but as i got older i started to understand their more Avant Garde songs, and began to prefer them.
love your videos stella! you should make a video on black metal dungeon synth, or the artist "B.s.O.D" who no one really ever made a video about. amazing video!
Found this vid because after decades of loving so many music, i never understood the term. I loved many bands labeled as such. But couldn't describe it.
Thanks you!
Ps James Chance's music was what i costly knew about
Artois too
Glad you enjoyed it!
I love that New York Noise compilation, I got it from the legendary Repo Records in Philadelphia, PA and it had a huge influence on me. One of my favorite bands on there was funk-punk sister trio ESG, simple and awesome and sampled thousands of times. Check 'em out!
Word up...Anybody who loves hip hop loves ESG.
Hi stello, no wave is lovely 😊
Dream baby dream
Forever
Keep them dreams burnin' leave it
Keep them dreams burnin' forever
Dream baby dream
Forever
Arto Lindsey’s solo music slaps
stellar stella, you are soooo creative. another stellar video✨✨✨✨✨✨"Stranger than Paradise" is gold. BTW, Jarmusch knows punk rock as well as anyone i've met..he hung out with iggy, ramones, clash, joy division, sex pistols...
stella, i viewed another youtube channel segment yesterday about 10 Most Under-rated Albums...she also is very informative and she mentioned you and your channel in the segment while referencing"Shoe Gaze" :)
Thank you! Yes Jim Jarmusch is totes punk-rock! Love mystery train! Which channel you referring to? is it "omaha introvert"?
@@StellasEncounter yes, omaha introvert
@@StellasEncounter a friend of mine (he actually plays in a band with Andy) plays live with SunnO))), Jim Jarmusch’s favorite band.
@@davidtollefson8411 ohhh that's cool! Also didn't know he likes Sunn0))).
Great job again! Kino Lorber has all of Blank City on YT
You are always even MORE informative and entertaining than before with each video you present. I just hope you can keep it up without eventually exploding. ;-)
Whenever you start working on a Brief History of Ambient Music, I hope you'll let me know because I'm a sometime ambient musician who's been around for a while, and I have some definite opinions on its evolution (and de-evolution, lmao). ❤🖤
hahaha, i'm already exploded!!! :D
@@StellasEncounter 🤣
UT are super... You missed Rhys Chatham.
Well done.
My cousin gave me the no new york comp when I was a kid and I've been obsessed ever since. Confusion is sex was my first SY album, too. Kill yr idols is such a great track.
And we all feel fine.. ❤
I love all of these bands, but have a particular soft spot for Ut. Great video as ever, thanks Stella! 😊
You're so welcome!!
Good video and I do agree that no wave was more of a New York response to what punk was saying it was - challenging punk to be very non conformist. Or not caring at all just doing what it wants Although some people might think that no way was beyond New York entitled, it wasn't. There are other Avant guard movements within punk rock. But they were not called no way that definitely is a New York title given to there. Take on experimental music in regards to punk rock. I wouldn't call bands like pink section, the dead Beats tunnel canary or Chrome. No way because that wasn't what they called their stuff . But I'm sure if they were in New York. They would have been lumped in with many of those Bands Much of what people were calling heartpunk now in even post-punk. It's probably what they would have been labeled, but no way definitely was more of a regional thing Title wise but much of It is similar to postpunk in the u k and a lot of the art punk in san francisco and los angeles,. No wave title wise is speciific to New York and their take on avant garde or expirmental music to punk . So altho its looked at more as a genre outside of NY by truth be told it was more of a NY movement . No other people were calling their stuff that back then , even doong sounds that were similar- black randy and metro squad , the Deadbeats , the residents ( they were a band before no wave happend), nervous gender , Crash course in science were around the same time and that title didnt apply to them back then. But there were much of the similarities muscially.
Love these, all of em. Another great one. Superchannel, wow I'm so positive?!! Lol
hahaha, funny comment! thank you!!
Big Black is such an American banned. They're one of the most important musical groups to come out of the 80s. I would love to see you do a report on them if you're not scared of their music
I also mentioned Big Black in the math-rock video, they're great!!
@@StellasEncounter, I recall. I love their output.
Had you seen "Taxi Driver"? Have you read: "Let It Blurt" by Jim DeRogatis, both highly recommended! Did you discuss, musician/actor, Richard Edson?
That was a fun presentation and an excellent❤ summary of the No Wave scene, Stella - keep up the good work. I am currently reading
* Sonic life****by Thurston Moore, so devouring everything l can get to bring his story to life, thx.
Thank you! Will do! Thanks for recommendation :)
Well done but something about Rosa Yemen (Lizzy Mercier Descloux early project) is missing.
It's funny that the lead singer of the band DNA, which has the most wild sounds comes from someone who looks as if he's the most mild mannered. It's all good.
Par for the course, of the big three, Live Skull is completely overlooked.
DNA are great. And Laddio Bolocko, who came later, are truly wonderful - if you haven't listened to them yet, do!
Will do, thanks for recommendations!!
Laddio Bolocko is the single most underrated noise rock group
I went to NYC one time in 1981 for my Uncle's wedding. We staid in Long Island. We went to Manhattan 1 day and I caught a lot of the grime that Taxi Driver focused on. It was chaotic. We went through Time's square and someone had set off some kind of small explosive in the sewer. It was almost like a common occurrence for things like that to go on. We went down to Battery Park. I was looking at some key chains at this stand and I'll never forget the vendor grabbed them from me and said "if you're not going to buy it don't touch it." People told us to not dare get on the subway. There is still some of that Northeast cold attitude but nothing like it was.
bad ol' memorable times!
Great video, as usual. I don't think I have any No Wave in my discography except Suicide. I know several of the bands named, but at a later period.
This said, similar bands but not from NYC I enjoy.
Btw, if you're into more bluesy music, John Laurie created a singer character named Marvin Pontiac, with fictional bio and all. Excellent album.
John Lurie!😄
@@StellasEncounter *facepalm*
I was at the Sonic Youth show in Beijing in 2007! Car Sick Cars ended up not opening the show, though. The Ministry of Culture found out that Sonic Youth had a played a Free Tibet concert in the past and cancelled Car Sick Cars performance because of that. They still let Sonic Youth perform, though. It was great show!
wow! Jelly! Yes, I know Carsick Cars didn't play at the end. Mark Ibold was playing at Sonic Youth then!
Stella missed a band from Los Angeles called: Chrome.
You gotta dish it out
It was foremost a movement in music, but it's parenthesized in other art mediums, as well. It shot a snarling middle finger at the pimp and whore NYC art scene, and justly so.
British Post Punk bands The Fall and The Pop Group Were Defiantly a close association to the No Wave scene in my opinion
agreed!
No Wave is one of the strangest music genres I like
The latest album, 家庭, from three weeks ago by 谷水車間 edges this direction, but it's more towards krautrock. It's worth a listen.
interesting! thanks for your suggestion!!
Are you related to Anya Phillips?
hahahahaha ofc no
We like the, 'it's called no wave because no one wants to listen to it!' Hehe.
you forgot a very good band pioneers in math rock and noise music and they were before all that bands you mention, they are MX80 SOUND
Out of the tunnel is amazing!
I'll be in Beijing in a few weeks. I definitely want to catch up on what I've missed in the last 2 years. The music scene was great in 2018-2020, and I'm sure it's still great.
The domestic live shows are mostly back! No foreign acts though. Welcome to Beijing!!
@@StellasEncounter Thank you! The local scene is good, and going down to Fruity Record Shop will be fun. It was so good to meet such knowledgable people.
@@RudyCarrera Nice! Fruity shop is really cool! Went there once and would love to revisit. Enjoy your stay!
Be careful when purchasing Mars records, some of them (specifically the Rough Trade/Widowspeak issue) have been run through a distortion and sound insane compared to the original recordings.
still good, but it's meant to be sort of "Jesus and Mary Chain" and it comes out "Fushitsusha".
You’re telling me Yoko Ono created a whole new musical genre?
I could never understand most of No Wave. A band I was in would sometimes be on the same concert bill as local bands with screaming out-of-all-keys vocals, atonal guitars, thrashing arhythmic drumming...someone put on the bill to be "edgy", but everyone would leave while they played. It was just noise. Although, I do like John Cage's music.
We have the same birthday! What do we win? :D
hahaha, I think I get your point regarding no wave. *brofist* birthday buddies!! :D
If you don't mind me asking, what was the name of your band, and (if you remember) what were the names of the local, out-of-all-keys, atonal, thrashing, arrhythmic bands?
(I'm obsessed with constantly discovering new songs)
@@EvilCat-EnergyCatalyst I do not remember the names of any of those bands, likely due to finding them unlistenable. Sorry.
The band I was in at the time was Vergiftung. Someone we did play with who was fantastic was Evolution Control Committee. A band we did not play with at the time but saw live many times was The Belgian Waffles.
It was the 80's for gods sake
gawd normies all up our shit now
it feels like it's related to dadaism
it seems to have the same psychological roots
i'm interested in it;
from the perspective of fascination with nature of art sciences and the phenomena of folk art
but it feels like the musical equivalent of a tantrum
thus a very disempowered way to live.
some of the [non-musicians] seem to just be legitimately exploring and experimenting with sound
others seem to be just deluded hypocrite elitist snobs.
off topic:
Do you identify as INTP?
Thanks for your interesting comment on No wave. I agree with what you said mostly. I'm an INXP perhaps, INTP is possible. Hahaha!
Beefheart single handedly invented avant guard! He needs his own video!
Are you AI girl?
Thank you... i want to say nobody asked for this.... rats still rule NY
I'd heard of no wave, but didn't know much about it. Thanks for informing me.
Now I know it's the absolute most unhappy, pretentious art movement ever.
Marry me
Love this, a very deep history of the scene by a very gorgeous lady!
thank you!
I discovered No Wave from looking for suggestions of bands that somehow combined punk and jazz, which led me to James Chance and the Contortionists. The wikipedia page for the band lists one of its genres as No Wave, which led me to at least become familiar with all the main bands listed here.
Hilarious