Metal Guitarist Tries Learning Math Rock (Polyphia/Chon/Ichika)
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- Опубліковано 15 лис 2024
- After 15 years of playing breakdowns, I attempt to learn Math Rock on guitar!
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i like your attitude your humor your playing, keep it up your amazing.
thx for joking with elitism making new player comfortable but also want to get good. nice vibe.
your attept impro at the end was great very Ichika style! who know maybe a colab for fun? (if hes not too picky).
you captured well his vibe i would have done similar with the tapping part, but the tempo silence at end was op i wouldnt have thought.
your great man. i chuchug some metal for years i do some average techincal stuff, but most importantly i have fun and express my feeling.
love your content. my style is very similar to yours, maybe more blackish at time and less technical, but the heavy chug and disharmony yay.
i improvise alot lately and im surprised how some good riff come out of nowhere, instead of learning alot of tabs from others.
i let the guitar tell me what it want to sing
one of my favorite guitarist youtuber keep it up
Are there any tabs available for your math rock riff?????
*contains 28% more hand glitch than most IG demos*
Keep training, Nik! We believe in you!
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"I failed quite a bit, and tried my best" is the dollar store version of In The End by Linkin Park
sounded cool haha
IN THE EEEND, IT MIGHT MATTER A LITTLE OR IDKAAAAY
LMAO this is clever
😂😂😂👏🏾👏🏾
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Alternative Title: Nik loses all hope in 8 minutes
Nik in his mind:
*A L L H O P E I S G O N E*
Colorized*
"To make it entertaining"
"They didn't teach this in metalcore school." Had me dying.
I was like "Wow you have a school for metalcore? In classical and jazz they just call it college or uni or some shit"
I guess I slept in during this lesson
This line really hit me in the feels too.
SAME
some of dance gavin dance's newer stuff have math rock influences. was quite amused to re-discover that band after ages lol
Gotta say I respect the hustle and the riff came out pretty damn good for only a day's work. Also mad respect for actually learning from watching Ichika's tutorials, he's damn good but they're not super helpful
* sees one chord *
"aight now that's a fucking stretch"
This is some real “step 2: draw the rest of the owl” stuff
LMAOOOOOO THIS COMMENT HAS ME DEAD
Genius comment! Needs more likes
I laughed way too hard at this
step 1: tuning
step 2: just copy this: 0:00
Wai--NO! You can't go from THAT to THIS. 3:27
step 1: alternate tuning
step 2: play piano on fretboard
forgot the time signatures shifts, thats incredibly important.
@@hiroprotagonitis true
True
Step .5 write the song on computer in PowerPoint then give to Asian kid and ‘do math’
@@hiroprotagonitis I mean most if not all of Tim Henson's riffs are 4/4 so. important but necessary
"Oh double tapping "
"Now slide?!?"
This was exactly my reaction the first time I saw Ichika playing.
This video is priceless Ahaha
That sounded exactly like the devin townsend unleased video when he started speaking.
Sameee
Samee 🤣🤣
Yvette Young was the person who really sold md on Math Rock. As big of a metal head as I am, there was a solid 6 months where I only listened to Math Rock.
This man really just showed what it's like for everyone ever
The jam you wrote was actually pretty sick man. GGs in the chat
I agree with that!
Yeah really ! GGGGGGGG
Right? Clean it up a little and it'll sell 😁
Nah
^ always gotta be that one dude with nothing good to say and nothing to show for their unwanted opinion.
Nik: ...and not just a dude who does weird stupid faces on the internet.
Jared Dines and Stevie T:
*SWEATS*
don't forget Kmac lol
@@Franco-jc3xw all respect to Jared and Stevie, but kmac is consistently funny, sometimes Jared and Stevie’s humor misses.
@@33savage70 yeaah i think the same
@@33savage70 Yeah, Kmac isn't nearly as cringey as Stevie and Jared. The accent helps too.
@@33savage70 I agree. Jared's content hasn't been as consistently good the past few years. I pretty much prefer his content with Austin Dickey but that's because of Dickey. As for Stevie T, I could never stand him to begin with, pretty much because of the stupid faces he makes.
This is like a documentary of exactly what I experienced trying to play math rock
Same, except lots more cursing and sweating.
This has been about the last 7 years of my metal guitar career summed up in one video.
This was me when i frist delve into acoustic fingerstyle from metalcore.
same
That riff at the end was sweet my dude. I’d say this was a success.
The easiest way I learned was to breaking up jazz chords with two hands, tap around to find sweet notes that completement the two or three notes you hold on your guitar from your left hand to add to harmony and keep improvising from there. Learn how to completely switch your time signature and tempo and smooth transitions.
eASy
Man, Ichika is one of my favorite guitarists at the moment. So technical while keeping it melodic, catchy and overall tasty.
He's amazing!
Takes balls to try new things and invite everyone too see you fail and learn.
Huge titanium balls
Definitely on the right track. What he played at the end wasn't half bad
he made a decent riff at the end for a 1st timer. im impressed
It takes comedy, which takes balls. Comedy is brutal, Metalocalypse taught us thus.
It's definitely inspiring for the ones who are beginning to learn math rock as well!
I lost it at the "apparently, on the technique part it's just sorta "get gud""
its the dark souls of guitar play
oh no what did you loose. Anyway no worries, it appears you know where you lost it so just go back there and find it
Two people need to un like this ( its a good comment but its like getting 70 likes and wanting 1 person to unlike
me too
As a beginner at guitar in general, it really scares me and at the same time tranquilizes me that its so hard even for people with years in the back xD
Because damn dude... what a struggle q_q
Bands like Chon and The Fall of Troy are some of my favorites. Math rock takes practice but it's highly rewarding. Being honest, learning to play math rock is like trying to beat Dark Souls blind.
"This is like super Jazz" is my new favorite way of describing unreasonably complex compositions.
"Unreasonably complex" is my favorite way of describing music that is beyond my horizon and favorite way of excusing myself for being unable to play hard things.
math rock is just jazz but the notes sound right
Sounds legit 😅
True actually haha
Wait... this is actually true.
Tera Melos is typing...
@@Tom-nt2bs dude, I was laughing from his comment, i almost screamed with yours
wow ive never seen a man's confidence in his own abilities crumble in front of my eyes before thats cool
as far as techniques, its basically "get good"
I feel this a lot
Love how real you are on this video.. most guitarist on YT wouldn't do this type of transparency NiK
4:02 - 4:18 is me literally everytime i try to learn a polyphia song
Imma make a new genre just to spite Nik lmao
Math rock -> C a l c u l u s C o r e
Algebrock
Thats just protest the hero
The Derivative of R O C K
I mean mathcore does exist
@@coleanderson4951 that sounds weak. Needs more derivatives and polynomials
Steve from let’s talk about math Rock!!
I love steve he’s so wholesome
@@hadinasrallah8928 100%!
He's just amazing
Gotta love mountains
@@anuvette he is just great :D so great to see all the love for him. I’ve not been into his channel for long, but I always check in
I saw Yvette Young for like 3 seconds and just for that I am happy
Yes! She's so amazing!
He saw Yvette and went "nah that's beyond me"
I scroll and found your comment. And looking for the time she appeared lol. But the truth i really want he found when she play hydra
Yvette at 6:37
For about 4 seconds. 😂
Nito is my personal favorite and he has some cool stuff where he turns horrid tunings into wonderful songs.
Thats...nito! Ill see myself out.
That end riff he wrote was actually pretty cool
"If I could play as well as this dude, I probably wouldn't even make memes"
Kmac in a nutshell
Kmac plays really good. This style of playing is a totally different beast as opposed to traditional guitar playing. If you can play this kinda stuff you are like in the top 1% of guitar players.
@@Tryad I know, it was just a joke.
@@Tryad Kmac is a one trick pony that doesn't deserve the following he has. Mostly because all he does is stupid memes.
@@JosephArata I really hope this is bait. His original music is worthy of a non-ironic listen, at the very least. Check out his song, "Butterfly"
@@Tryad I don't think it necessarily makes you that much better than everyone else. Not denying the obvious skill required, but like you said it's just different. If people were traditionally taught how to play like Tim Henson and Ichika as beginners, rather than being taught cowboy chords and power chords and blues/penatonic based solos, they'd find this stuff not as daunting or challenging. Again, you definitely need a lot of skill, but I feel like anyone that can shred decently can learn this stuff. After all, Tim Henson was a metal guy before he started making this sort of music. It's just a matter of getting used to this different style. It's a lot of fun though and even if you don't play as fast or technically as these other guys it still sounds interesting and unique!
Side note: composing the shit is a whole other beast and I agree you have to be on another level to come up with some of the stuff these dudes pump out.
“What’s step number 7 is he gonna call Cthulhu?” Had me dying
same lmao
420th like
@@tomasfranciscocarvajalgarc9645 nice
Hehe
heha
There was The Battle of Bands at my place, everyone was playing Metal music and the crowds were doing mosh pit, wall of death etc; Suddenly, there was only a band that playing Math Rock and the crowds were " Hey what is this! " and everyone was dead inside listening to Math Rock. 😂
You should make that riff into a full song I would love to hear it with the director it was going!
How is no one talking about how good his take on math rock though?? It sounded so so good.
not really.
@@Artcore103 no one asked you squidward
pretty basic tbh, nothing outstanding
@@c95060 simple can sound good. But his take is nowhere near simple. Remember the average person can’t even play a g chord (:
@@Deathkid223 I didn't mean it is easy to play, someone could play basic arpeggios on sweep picking at 300bpm, sure it would not be simple to do this but the idea behind that is not that complicated.
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Math rock is just rock trying not to be rock as much as possible
this is very accurate
true, its based on the subversion of rock tropes (4/4 time, overly simplistic riffs and licks, "wahh im the bloos guy" *bends g-string*) and machismo, while also trying not to be too close to prog. basically white suburbanites
Lol
I thought that was Post-Rock
@@topo161 it is, back then it was prog. they all have the same underlying principle, its just that the genre gets old and stale so new ways of innovating have to come up, they are also rooted in different scenes. for prog it was instrumentation and concepts where it sought to be different, post rock with textrue and song structure, math rock with angularity and time signatures
This is amazing, basically my entire experience trying to learn it myself
your attempt is pretty good for someone who had never played math rock, you should do it more often!
You pulled it off dude. Any genre shift is hard. As a metal guitarist I started learning some country and pop just because it isnt as simple as you'd think and all of it becomes part of your musical library that you can check out from any time.
Keep learning new shit and incorporating it in termina. Would love to hear some crazy new elements on the next track
Thanks Jonathan!
Fr you anyone trying to learn math rock should also consider checking out Trevor Wong's channel. He, along with Steve from Let's Talk About Math Rock breaks it down in a way that makes it easy to understand and apply.
Excellent choice!
Let’s talk math rock is soooo goood
thanks fti
i wanna learn this nerd music too xD
@@KimKim-mt2bb Lmaooo anytime. Those 2 are my favorites when it comes to that style. They've helped helped me learn a lot from chords to theory to the weird alternate tunings a lot of the bands use.
You should also check out Nulberry on UA-cam if you dig Trevor Wong and Ichika Nito. Cory Lott is the main writer and I think he’s pretty good :)
how to play math rock: use extended/inverted chords, add some short tap riffing between chords, and do some riffing based around the chords. Bonus points if you use alternate tunings like DAEAC#E or FACGCE. Bright tone recommended; use single coils or p90's for best tone
odd. time. signatures. 7/4. 13/8. its called math rock for that reason. thats where the math is derived from.
@@hiroprotagonitis math rock doesnt have to be in odd time signatures
@@rosestrohm7986 what figure do you produce when you subdivide any measure in common time?
@@hiroprotagonitis i usually write math rock riffs on 4/4 lol. but then again, i never really follow the metronome lmao, i used it just to que when i should start to play and how long i should leave a gap between licks xD
This is some serious simplicity. I trying to understand why the genre is math here
I absolutely love Yvette Young and Covet. I too was one day inspired to learn her brand of math rock. I gave up in literally less than a week. It’s seriously like learning how to play guitar all over again, and from the ground up. In addition, also unlearning most (if not every) technique you’ve already acquired in the years leading up
Me who started playing guitar in July last year, so I don't know a lot: So what you're saying is...I have a chance?
@@KiraDaBeastNY In some ways for sure! With a lot of skillsets, they end up leading to different branches within the same skillset, however going down one path can make it difficult to swap to another, because they lend themselves to different habits.
I'm artist, and I see it all the time with people trying to completely reinvent their styles.
@@valeoncat13 Gotcha.
1:12 still gets me every time. He gets flabbergasted by an amp meanwhile he has an Axe FX just standing by
"The tone still sucks!"
I've never related so much to a statement till now.
it's because u b missin that compressor pedal
This video just needed a little more Yvette Young to hurt the ego.
That one second got me so hyped though haha
needs more yvette
needs more Victor Villareal
And Andy McKee!
@@FundementalElement1 hes not math rock, although they share a lot of techniques. more in the john gomm, kaki king fingerstyle guitar camp
1950s: "hes got chops"
2020: "hes got hax"
metal: get low
math rock: get high
all those wasted fredboard
"super jazz"
Or as I call it, "high caffeine elevator music"
Its not elevator music
Man Steve from
Let's Talk About Math Rock, literally gives you everything you need to explore genre. His tone makes everyone in the house cream themselves.
Trevor Wong is also really good for that.
Bless Steve! He's such a nice guy and helps to make math rock a bit less complicated everyday
Final thoughts 'I'll just play Your Betrayal' again.
This is everything
Lmao true
chug chug chugchung chung
😂😂😂
Dude your riff in the end worked quite well, it's a bit of a mix between CHON from 2016 and Polyphia now. I think I'll maybe steal it and make it a full song some day
7:07 DAMN BRO! so damn clean, that harmonic tap too man got me wishin i spent way more time with guitar
Nik, does his own style riff and decides to make something broody. I love it
Tbh when I started to work on math rock stuff, mainly Polyphia and Ichika's songs, tracking the progress is so fucking satisfying that I dont even want to play metal anymore lmao, it feels like shredding elegantly so dont give up on it my guy
When you a keyboardist who wants to play this stuff on keyboard : I feel motivated and demotivated at the same time
@@doomslayerplushie6662 I'd suggest checking out Yevette Young. She plays for the band covet but also has a ton of solo content on her channel. She started as a pianist and has a piano/violin album. She does primarily mathrock stuff but you can hear the piano influence. I'm keys player first and guitarist second and learning some of her stuff was huge for me. /shrug. Good luck.
@@Lloocii yeah she's in the video too see 6:38
@@meg4447 yea I noticed that. Such a tiny section for such a force in mathrock oh well.
The video I have always wanted but didn't consider as a possibility. My favorites are the lyrical bands like TTNG, Delta Sleep, Hikes
TTNG rules
2:10 How meta is it that we are watching a guitarist on youtube watch a guitarist on youtube?
I'm a guitarist on youtube watching a guitarist on youtube watch a guitarist on youtube.
I'm like super In love with Nik's attempt at it, it sounded so fucking good like what?
Math rock is an extremely difficult genre to learn because 1 it’s extremely difficult 2 it’s very new in this newer wave of it and 3 there are multiple types of it main ones being Japanese math rock and Midwest emo, something I would recommend is try to learn in open tunings and try to learn tapping and making chord progressions in those open tunings. It’s a really difficult genre to learn so good luck to anyone who is trying to learn it
This isn't called math rock, it's a genre called "Flex"
on Spotify its called "instrumental madness"
didnt know Piglet were ever aiming to flex on Lava Land...
@@hiroprotagonitis i dont get it
@@aayushgulhane7932 listen to piglet
So much truth in one sentence
Nik:
-Whats step seven?
Me:
-You don't wanna know.
"not just a guy doing weird faces on the internet"
*Stevie T has left the chat
Instant sub, you make me feel so much less guilty for giving up on guitar that I might actually pick it up again
I fuckin love watching you man, some of the best stuff on the interwebs
"Im bad at guitar"
Dude, im just a guy watching dudes playing guitar and not trying to learn. Beat that.
Get a guitar
And play it 👏
Bruh your riff is actually really good
I think a nice song for beginners in math rock is "always focused" by tiny moving parts. Sounds complicated but it is fairly easy to learn and play.
This is both inspiring and demoralizing at the same time. Cheers to the dudes that can pull it off.
This is absolutely fascinating. Ty for this perspective. I could have watched this video at twice it's length.
A good starting point would be learn "American Football- Never Meant"
Or Always Focused by Tiny Moving Parts.
Midwestern emo music is a good introduction to this style of playing without needing to be able to shred.
@@joez6235 alt tuning is key big fan of FACGCE tuning
@@zjdubbz nah DAEAC#E/CGDGBD
My go-to is DAEAC#E but yeah each to their own
@@jxomxo FGCGCD gang rise up
I’ve been waiting for this
Title should be: "Metal guitarist loses its mind for 8 whole minutes"
I think you're selling yourself a bit short for the sake of humor, but I can totally relate with your reactions to this crazy stuff. I actually thought you really picked it up relatively quick with that nice piece at the end. Plus, the "math, super jazz guys" probably would feel the same way trying to learn something and match tones with Dimebag, Nuno, Paul Gilbert or Yngwie! Guitar is full of amazing flavors. Great video!
That riff you made, WAS AWESOME! Good job Nik
"If I could play as well as this dude I wouldn't even make memes" lmao
If it doesn’t sound like it could be in Studio Ghibli movie, you’re doing it wrong
dang
slint want to have a talk..
@@syahdwesaprawasa Bruh, they ain't like Ichika or Polyphia. They sound closer to midwest emo
@@jackgottsegen1499 slint sounds like midwest emo? seriously dude?
@@syahdwesaprawasa Slint didn't do what Polyphia and Ichika do. Slint is a more post-hardcore/midwest emo band with distortion and fuzz effects, while Polyphia and Ichika use more clean tones with reverb and chorus effects.
I can’t tell if this is a meme or not
Same
@@NikNocturnal good content brother.
Very entertaining!
You are hysterical!! Really enjoy your videos!
Chon has been doing this sound since 2008
I would love to hear a full thing of the riff at the end, honestly loved it
As an avid listener of super jazz, I think you did pretty good! It's also very funny to see guitarists react to math rock hahaha
“I’m so bad at guitar” pretty much every time I watch nik play
This video has actually reinspired me to start learning new styles again. I've gone through 100% of all the exact same feelings and statements you did in this video hahaha. Thanks so much
4:46 Core guitarist discovers melody 🤯
I'm a new guitarist ( 8 months) and math rock is the genre I wanna play and all I rlly play and that letstalkaboutmathrock video was like my first lesson lmao
Dude, I don't know you. You're a video just came up in my recommended feed and I decided to check it out. I must admit, your lick that you put together at the end of the video was quite impressive! Keep up the great work!
Nik you should make this a series. I've been playing for like 10 years now and had this exact reaction trying to learn this style. I think the journey would be a cool watch lol. Instead of can it djent its now can it Polyphia tho?
Trying to relearn muscle memory after years of playing a specific style is very difficult. Tapping, muting strings, chord changes with tapping is extremely challenging.
Bro that end piece was actually pretty fucking good so props to you man.
They didn't teach me this in metalcore school.
"I think you need to be good to play this type of music" bro ive been trying to learn like two polyphia songs for a whole ass month. that is def a fact. but i feel like you can also GET GOOD playing this music. its like an etude. if you just master a song focusing on one technique youll be a god at that and then you can move on.
Polyphia is like starting at 11, Tiny Moving Parts has some much more attainable riffs that still sound cool. The downside of course is that you do actually have to listen to a Tiny Moving Parts song.
@@Jacob-df5hr I've never heard of them but ill check them out. Since ive posted that i learned O.D. and Saucy but they arent good. If they groove im def about it. Thank you so much
@@Jacob-df5hr Just STARTED listening to a song and i fw it.
@@Rolphul hell yeah ua-cam.com/video/udzqT4Pi6qg/v-deo.html is what got me into the mathy stuff, my man goes off at 0:49. It's not the most technically impressive lick in the world (and the behind the nut shit is just show boating tbh) but damn it sounds great
@@Jacob-df5hr dimlim got me there, so much guitar nonsense in vanitas and what's up
I failed math at high school so i have excuse for not playing it
Thats why a lot of people prefer meth rock
@@janosskublics7438 or acid rock
@@janosskublics7438 Check out Methwitch. Meth metal
@@bob.ross330 sure...
i failed math in high school and i feel obligated to play it now
Your math riff was awesome, good work!!
I fucking love letstalkaboutmathrock. he's been my biggest help learning guitar on youtube tbh and he's such a great dude
Shady Cicada did a pretty cool demo of “math rock”. You should definitely check it out ✌️😁
Haven't heard of that dude in years. Is he still a thing?
@@andrewvirtue5048 Yeah man! Go check him out 😁👍
Reasons I can't play like Ichika: I keep watching Nik not be good at guitar instead of practicing guitar.
Practice 40 hours a day >:(
@@alinagolovach7125 lmao
This is like... 🎷✨sOOPer jazz✨🎷
Real talk you have really good pitch recognition. Super quick and coreect.
"How do you do that?!"
...
"Oh, you don't. I get it."