The Conservative party should be 'put out of its misery' and 'dissolved' | Marcus Fysh
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- “I’m just calling it how I see it, if it was my business I would wind it up.”
The Conservative Party is no longer "a viable entity", says former Conservative MP Marcus Fysh.
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So, this is the quality of MP the Tories had. No wonder they lost.
In no small part due to Johnson culling the middle-ground, smart, moderates such as Grieve, I can only presume because he felt threatened....
@@philbrown8181 Actually because they were blocking Brexit which people had voted for in a referendum, for better or worse.
It's been obvious since 2017 that the Tories were not really Tories
The Electorate that Tory Wets want to target are already voting Lib Dem, Labour and even Green.
And none of them would take a Conservative offer seriously on that terrain.
And these liberal Tories are incapable of turning to the Right, so they're a product with no relevant buyer. Like a Bowler hat with sleeves, it's not needed and it's not wanted.
Reform can occupy the real Right, exactly like Europeans are doing and they could also absorb centre Right policies. So they have a product many people will want.
Which means Marcus Fysh is correct.
Soames inhabits a world where patriarchal public schoolboys assume they have a right to govern, that world is gone.
The Tory and Labour Uni Party
So he was happy being a conservative for years when he got power and money and the instant he lost it calls for abolishing the party he served without becoming an independent while he was in power....shows how self serving they are
Fair point
He is entitled to change his mind, our current prime minister has made a career of it.
he wants the party to be where it has to be, but it wants to occupy space.
He could have changed his mind last month,become independent and run for elected office as an independent with his principles
great comment
Stage 1 of grief.
Denial.
You have summed up Penny Mordaunt perfectly
He was one the 🔔 ends who got us here.
Johnson purged the party of any talent, what's left is not viable or anything like the Tories of not so long ago or pre Eton
"Pre-Eton"? The Tory leadership has always come from Eton and Winchester.
@@anonUK Well, Blair went to Fettes (just like James Bond haha). And Keir Starmer went to a fee paying grammar school. To be honest, who cares. This mob are going to be only slightly more competent that the last once all the in fighting over jobs starts.
@jamesrowden303 That's the British spirit. Snort. 😅
@@jamesrowden303you don’t seem to understand much about politics. And the in-fighting over jobs? Maybe in your world, sunshine.
But he would have remained if he kept his seat? 😂
Sure why not. If the Tories were wound up, he'd be an independent MP.
😂
The flag of pragmatism flies at every mast!
I reckon his constituents had the measure of mr.Fish!
Says he doesn’t want to become Reform yet trots out all the Farage cliches about ‘wet remainers’.
Doesn’t seem like a massive loss to public discourse and politics if he’s still spouting that nonsense in 2024.
Yes, I thought he was very confused in his answers. On the one hand he argued that the Tories should be more centrist and yet on the other hand he seemed to argue for all the things that Farage is asking for. Very strange. And the interviewer did nothing to bring any clarity to this.
2 years ago this rat thought he had a job in parliament for life. Must be a huge blow for a lot of them.
its the problem with the conservative right is its often half an answer. yes abolish the tory party. but reform in a new structure. he has one pre built
Not all reluctant conservatives have to go full fascist.
@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence the problem is they are not fascists. farage has no origin in socialist movements and his policys are libertarian.
Incredibly poor journalism. What opportunities of being outside the EU? How do you fund tax cuts with no growth
There are more opportunities outside the EU than in it. The EU will not last must longer now anyway
@@voice.of.reasonthis is just a delusional as thinking the British empire still exists.
@@voice.of.reason Can you give me an example of an opportunity that you have now, outside the EU, that you didn't have access to when you were a member of the EU?
@@j.lahtinen7525 As a person who lives in the EU one of the benefits of not being in the EU is not being in the EU because at the moment you don't want to be in the EU. And this is because parties who are opposed or critical of the EU are not just getting more support in their own countries but also within the EU parliament and the EU are dealing with the issue of illegal migration which is causing differences between EU countries and could bring down the whole EU and at the moment here is no sign of any of this changing
there’s no need to fund tax cuts since the opposition never feels the need to fund government spending.
The only thing which kept the party in power was brexit and immigration but when they both failed the public support gradually dwindled. Last week we had a total collapse. Treat the electorate with dis-regard and disdain and reap the reward you sow. Watching Kuenssberg this morning, seems they have learnt nothing.
I hate the Tories and their lies but don't look forward to the sharia law that's coming!
Revolution anyone?
This obsession with low taxation is unbelievably misguided and they need to start being called out on it
I fully agree. Regardless of what the Tories might think, money isn’t the only concern in life,
The whole "low tax" routine rings a bit hollow considering the tax burden is at its highest for over 70 years thanks to the regime he is now disowning.What is really needed is re distribution of wealth and opportunity from Eton crooks to the rest of us.
Low taxes mean poor public services nhs in chaos crumbling schools and the list goes on and on
I think I can do better things with my own money than the government can do with it,
@@inquaanate2393 😆😆😆😆😆😆
He's in a hissy fit because he lost
Tories are history. You love to see it 😁👍🏻
IMized feelings. 'd rather have Tories reform as centre right than far right Reform take over mantel of conservative mindset. In such a vacuum of any moderate right wing Reform could easily drift even further (if that is possible) and become an ultra right fascist party - and then even have a chance at power.
As fact of course 'The Tories' are history, but not as you mean. The Tory political party was entirely replaced by the then new Conservative party in the mid 1800's. Ergo, the Conservatives of the modern era *are NOT Tories!!*
As for the Conservatives being history, that is not close to being a truth and it is definitely not a fact. Conservatism is an idea and ideas never die. The idea might be out of favour for some portion of time but it will resurge when circumstances invite it to ... Take the history of ISIS, which I suspect you also do not know about.
The defeat which the UK Conservatives have suffered in the recent election is IMO is a turning point for both the UK and it's political future for the foreseeable future.
Sir Starmer has a small window to pull some rabbits out of the hat. He has to make some sort of 'splash' in social care and the provision of health care, benefits and prisons.
Plus just as importantly or more so in practical terms .... Starmer has to move the UK back toward rejoining the EU. Without which, the UK will only ever get progressively poorer and ever more horrendous to live in for the average person.
However .... Does Starmer and Labour have enough money in the severely bankrupted for 80+ yrs, UK exchequer? Probably not. The debt levels are insane, the penchant of the Conservatives to simply print money to cover the yearly Fiscal Defecit has to be stopped and Starmer will understand that.
If the UK rejoined the EU tomorrow and was allowed the €uro .... Then it would in my estimation take 30+ years of special measures under the edict of the Eurozone before the Uk could hope to see a Fiscal Defecit of Minus -3% year on year, so as to obtain €uro parity. Every day the Uk is out of the EU, it just becomes worse for the UK in all ways.
Starmer no doubt has both the will and desire to make things far better in the UK for you, the people .... as does his government. However it is most likely they do not have the fiscal wherewithal to make much happen.
The Conservatives meanwhile will become in fairly short order, *The Conservative Reform Party*, a Fascist based party, with all that means.
P.S. ..... NI is it appears about to explode again and one can see Reunification coming about ... Because the vast cost of policing Nationalist and Republican _'freedom fighters'_ will then no longer be the problem of the UK but of the Oireachtas Éireann. NI is a vast drain on the UK exchequer and would be a welcome loss.
PPS ... Myself I do not reside nor vote in the UK. I am a political scientist & economist with 'no dog in the fight'. Just an informed observer.
@@bbbf09I'm no fan of the Tories but in this case better the devil you know than Reform. That said, I agree that the current crop of Tories are unbelievably amateur so there is no hope for them. They need to think seriously about the good of the country for a change instead of the what we saw of the last few years, constant navel gazing. Even when they tried to go "left" (although this is debatable) they bungled it massively as they didn't know how to go left. When they attempted to go right it came across as flaccid and pathetic. At least Rishi showed some humility at the end but this was sorely missing over the last 14 years.
Labour started in Government in 1924 Tories lost to history 2024!
Lovely bubbly!
Why would he think that David Cameron would make Brexit work, he didn’t believe in it. Utterly bizarre.
A party divided against itself can survive!
But Lord Cameron goes back to the other place? The machinations continue ,where's Oliver Cromwell when you need him?
So why did his constituents not listen to his pitch. He's blaming others, but never the whole sh#tshow he was part and parcel of.
People always fall for the simple nostrums peddled by populists like Farage and Brexiteers in general. Not enough critical thinking.
Was he a head teacher in real life!
Sounds like the ones who run
ill disciplined but expect the staff and everyone else to kowtow to their every word!
That catch in the back of his throat is also very reminiscent of the chalk board!
The usual everyone else is to blame but me attitude
How on earth could he have lost his seat? His intellect is surpassed only by his charisma.
Schadenfreude. Beautiful, beautiful schadenfreude.
Ummm, the reason why the conservatives were kicked out on display.
He makes out Reform are a problem party but what he is not admitting is that the Tory party has net zero policies, is controlled by the whisky echo brigade, ignores its manifestos, despises the working class and has no sensible policies and wont listen to any concerns over wide open borders, this is the real radical party. Rebranding the Tories isn't going to work, its like the BBC putting on a new logo and having the same people running it and offcommie controlling it, its not going to work unless there is a split and the genuine Tories stand up and move to Reform.
He was a useless MP for Yeovil
Ooo aRrrr
Messed up the combine harverster and nobody else is getting the key.remember the song,I can't read and l can't write but I can vote for tories.was it really worselled it.
From his performance on TV his morning that is blindingly obvious.
Mr Gummage you are awful but I like you!
Lots of love from Wolverhampton.
I have no idea what he thinks. He is in despair and flailing around for reasons and excuses and at the moment is not very coherent
Agree - totally incoherent. On the one hand he argues that the Tories should be more centrist but on the other had seems enamoured by Farage and his thinking. I don't think he knows what he thinks and this sums up the incoherence of the Tories since 2016.
Yes, he needs 2 or 3 months to let it all sink in, and then make an assessment.
You're right...he talked in vague generalities.
David Cameron to stay on as leader? Says all you need to know about Mr Fysh. He just DOESN'T GET IT!
Brexit and Johnson is the problem, RIP do not return
Brexit is not the problem
@@christophercooper2208oh yes it is!
@kevinsheahan5449 now it may seem so but the EU are bonkers. They want to slaughter 200K cows in Ireland alone over the next 3 years in the name of climate change. Are you happy that decisions that affect you are made by unelected bureaucrats who are out to lunch ?
@@christophercooper2208 What planet are you living on?
@@rogerphelps9939 earth
“When a political party offers voters ham and eggs and the voters say, ‘no, thanks’, its first instinct is to say, ‘OK then, how about double ham and double eggs?’”
Rats in a sack.
Bring it on.
A rat who got the sack.
Ferrets actually. They are far more vicious.
Sad excuses he says he understands what’s going on but he wants a harder Brexit and more hardship for the general population
Austerity was the catalyst for this collapse but try getting anyone to admit that
unfortunately not its the welfare state. half of all income to the government is spend on pentions, nhs and benefits. non of witch benefit long term gdp. they are liability's that i know cannot exist in there current form when i am old
@@somethingfunny6867 The NHS benefits the economy long term by saving injured worker's lves and helping ill workers to be more healthy and to be able to work, live and spend money. The NHS employs staff and they spend their wages and stimulate the economy.
Healthcare is an investment in population and our people.
@@somethingfunny6867 actually it is austerity, if Cameron and Osborne hadn’t pursued this ideology the material conditions for us all wouldn’t have been impacted so drastically. This would have not given UKIP the opportunity to make claims that the decline in our living standards was due to the EU and start Cameron panicking about his job. Which wouldn’t have led to the referendum which did cost him his job and began the implosion of his party whereupon May tried to deliver something that she didn’t believe in allowing Johnson to hoodwink the nation into thinking that he could. The Conservatives may have recovered were it not for Covid and the corruption within the government that it exposed which led to Johnson’s downfall and the appointment of Truss who’s budget blew a massive hole in the pockets of everyone which gave us Rishi. Sunak was blighted by a lack of vision and conviction that ultimately led us to where we are now. The welfare state suffered directly from the Austerity programme and subsequent poor economic policy and growth, GDP is affected by it taking people forever to get diagnosed and treated hence the burden on the treasury. The NHS is affected by austerity and ridiculous procurement measures that allow private enterprise to price gouge. Pensions were relatively safe until Truss but the lack of government investment has stifled growth which impacts on everyone. GDP is a pointless metric for measuring the success of the nation anyway but that’s a chat for another day!
@@Kingofturves yes i agree if a mechanic brakes there wrist we can get it fixed for another 20 years of work. it also means no NHS for those beyond pension age. i am so so glad you agree we can half the size of the nhs.
as for nhs staff wages it only matters if they increase productivity. for workers yes they do. for those who wont ever work again the investment will never get a return.
ether way you are advocating for slashing the NHS.
Quey?
Completely self inflicted, you must be so proud Sunak
'Thanks' for the awful mess you left us in.....nothing working, nothing easily mended PLUS a huge stench left by Bunter and Truss of incompetence and corruption.
“The benefits of being outside the EU”? 😂
The benefit of being outside the EU is that we can see how good it was being in the EU.
The eu was not perfect however we swapped it to be led by a bunch of corrupt aggorant idiots.lf that's what getting sovereignty back you can shoove it where the sun don t shine.
Their weather is as bad as ours!
However, they have the benefit of no caste system as holds in this country!
I'm glad I won't see it but can you imagine all the Normans dragging their ancestry out for 2066!
Long live the Battle of Sanforth Bridge!
The "I failed as a Conservative so everyone else should too" take.
The Tories are a woke-leftist, wet, remainer party. That space is already taken. They are a pointless party. Half of them believe in nothing and the other half wish they were in the Labour party.
They're picking at the corpse that is now the Conservative party. There's nothing left.
"Brexit did not fail, the Conservative failed Brexit"
There is no "making the best out of being outside the EU"! That's the major problem!🤣
It's farcical that these chancers are still peddling the myth of Brexit opportunities.
80 seat majority to ‘make a success of Brexit’, didn’t. Everything is measurably worse. Time they stopped peddling lies about ‘freedoms’, as yet, no Brexit benefits seen in the ‘sunlit uplands’. People often mention Brexit was about immigration but neglect the big lie on the side of the bus - they made it about improving the NHS which of course people want. And of course didn’t happen.
You what???!
These guys are the “socialism works, it’s just never been done right!” of the 2020s.
When your entire life in politics was in pursuit of that, it’s somewhat understandable that you would talk that kind of dribble when it has so manifestly failed.
@@Runboyrun89failed? Socialism works excellently and was doing so. Your understanding of politics is dire
@@jackiefisher1820name one Brexit benefit. Go on, you’ve got a week to find one.
Stockholm syndrome. Brexit is the way forward, but to win back seats from the left, we must not appeal to them, and instead move further right, however reform are on the right, and they are too farage, therefore Sunak and Theresa are the problem.
Unbelievable gibberish. Maybe I’m old fashioned, but if you enact policies that don’t appeal to the electorate, maybe you don’t get elected?
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He completely mis-reds the mood of the country. Being outside of the EU is the problem with the economy and our international position . There is no "most" of being outside of the EU to make of. Seems we are best rid of politicians like Fysh.
I was outside the EU for 35 yrs of my life!
Keep us outside for another and we could all join up to a European federation ,hopefully guided by Russia rather than the USA!
No wonder he losr his seat. I just cant imagine how such a fool ever got elected in the first place
A pig with a blue rosette?
@@johnwilliams7653 not in Yeovil, which is traditionally Liberal.
@@casadellangelo Yes. he Yeovil electtorate were conned by populistt nonsense. It shows the appeal of populism to those lacking in crittical tthinking skills that this prize brexiteer was elected in a constituency where the major employer is Italian owned helicopter maker Leonardo, a thoroughly EU company.
Well as you say all brexiteers are fools,and everything you say must be true????
Come on haven't you got a new song to sing!
We are clever we are judges,and teachers and will lie ,lie ,lie til our daddy takes the Brexit away!
Support REFORM!
Lots of love from Wolverhampton.
@@jackiefisher1820 While the Reform voters were disadvantaged unfairly by FPTP I'm still unwilling to accept any view other than that they are a bunch of ghastly racists, fascists & nutters best consigned to the unmown parts of the Churchyard as so as practical.
What does it feel like to be absolutely useless and finished as a political party because of your ignorance and arrogance?
He'll be getting a job at a bank of a local authority near you shortly!
I can understand falling for the "milk and honey with no downsides" of Brexit. Provided you have no concept of the need for local trade or how much customs barriers will cost you of course. However now its obvious that the countries further away still dont want out stuff but we've made our exports more expensive for Europe... Now its obvious that as a smaller market with less buying power than the EU, we get worse trade deals... Now its obvious that we have a worse exchange rate and more trade barriers, everything we import is more expensive, therefore more inflation than would have been, therefore higher interest rates than would have been, therefore lower tax receipts for public services or tax cuts if that's your thing... How can anyone intelligent still support Brexit and claim it wasn't done properly or enough? Its total brainwashing.
Marcus Fysh is why the Tories did so bad, he IS the problem.
One of them most certainly.
I wouldn't want him on my team!and possibly not the other !
Deluded. Truss tried Singapore on Sea. It didn't work and wasn't wanted
Yes we've all heard this gobbit of English but for 20 marks can you explain what it means?
Phrases like “using our independence “ are meaningless. To think that the brexiteer led Tory government didn’t want to make a success of brexit is laughable. They just couldn’t because as predicted it was a disastrous decision and has left us in a losing position.
Quisling!
Utterly true: the despicable, malignant Tories. He absolutely nailed it. 🇬🇧🦖☄️
To be fair...The One Nation Tories have abandoned the party for Labour and Lib Dem.
The right should just join reformed.
Policy was not the cause of failure but dishonesty and incompetence leading to abject failure on multiple fronts. Starting with Cameron and going downhill ever since.
Someone has to steer the ship of state!
You can't all be "nice"!
But the Tories deserve their defeat most assuredly for the way they treated Andrew Bridgen!
Stick with REFORM!
The longer unelectable, the better. Proud remoarner
Rats and ships?
Perhaps there isn't a viable future outside the EU.
Sttatting the obvious.
Cheer up chicken maybe the asteroid will hit!
Only by becoming the 51st state of the USA. But that isn't a future that most people want.
@@baltasarnoreno5973 nor would Biden or Trump give it to us!
It needs to split. Let the moderate, centre right element of the party keep the name and what not and the right wing element should go make their own party or join Reform.
Reform isnt a party.
I see a lot of the rats jumping ship for self preservation reasons...a lot of hurt egos
And Yeovil voted for this man to represent them in Parliament?
Not this time.
The people can vote for whom so ever they want, at the moment ,that is?
The advantages of being outside of the EU. Once again not a single example - since he clearly can't identify one. Ah- blue passports
....which are Black! lol.
I like travelling in Europe But
I don't want to me ruled by them!
In 1972 we were promised by Ted Heath that if we joined the Common Market we wouldn't need to buy the £10.00 Travel passport to visit Europe!
So we did, no one wants to be allied to the amorphous idea of The EU run by unelected foreigners who we will probably have to fight against in the next 39 yrs!
The Tories took us to the shut party they promised to bring us back!They left us and we had to send out for the Brexit Taxi...then they tried to hack up the can and steal the wheels!
The Tories are dead Support REFORM!
Lots of love from Wolverhampton.
I can think of one that is obvious and means we are better off immediately, we aren't paying 20 billion a year for so called free trade, no doubt the EU would have increased our membership fees by now and made us pay for their cnvid fkkups. And we aren't paying welfare for millions more from the EU that would be coming here.
No the people of uk, do not want them to to do that if we had a ballot on Brexit now it would be a overwhelming no we where lied to and misinformed, this man is puzzled and has reached the wrong conclusion!
Like so many others, it seems!
The Conservatives put party and ideology first and country last and they would not take some sensible actions because it was against their ideology, but ideology also split the party. I can't see them giving up that approach soon, as their think tanks are probably funded by the American right and they still have hardline rightists in the Conservative Party though some were ejected in the election. The fear of Reform overtaking them will keep the Conservatives anchored to rightist ideology.
Conflicted and contradictory tangled around the mystic Brexit.
Words of wisdom!!!!
NOT!
Lord have mercy upon them for they don’t know what they have done
The problem was, no one had any idea how to do brexit, there was no plan. It was a campaign built on hot air and lies see Johnson/Farage. The biggest trading block is on our doorstep and we have made it full of red tape, which is what vote leave argued, leave would reduce beuracracy, it has increased it which is hurting business and the economy. Its the elephant in the room in parliament. What would this guy propose we do with Brexit ?
As a normal man, I was a manual worker, all i witnessed so many times was just about all the conservatives had their own agenda regardless of party policy, and continually arguing, many seemed more interested in lining their own pockets with outside jobs, consultant’s was the buzzword or director of some large corporations, ( only two days a week 🤬two days not doing what they were supposed to do for the people who voted them in) basically out for themselves rather than working for the people who voted them to public office !!! Which clearly they forgot, this results I feel many thought the same.
Saw an interview with Fysh on TV this morning. He is a dyed in the wool Brexiteer who is totally clueless. He claimes that they did not get Brexit done, as if they did not do enough damage. Meanwhile he seems not to have noticed that the largest employer in Yeovil, Leonardo, is an Italian helicoptter maker, based firmly in the EU.
The Tories have essentially become the Labour Party during the late 80s and early 90s. Listless and disjointed. Then Tony Blair swooped in and New Labour was born. Perhaps the Conservatives need the same energy.
Not strictly true about Blair. It was John Smith's stewardship that steadied the Labour 'boat'. It was only after his untimely death that Blair 'swooped' in for his 'Standing on the shoulders of giants' moment.
As for the Tories, it was the infighting that killed them off in the mid to late 90's, with Europe been the main bone of contension. How the wheel turns? The ERG finally got what they wanted and still couldn't govern the country or themselves.
Poor guy, you can hear his heart breaking. After investing years of his life into the Tories, he sounds as if has huge regrets. They really are exhausted after a crazy decade.
"They didn't vote for us loonies coz we weren't loony enough".. yawn.
He is being a big sulky pants because he lost and still don't get it why they lost
The Tories have beaten the whole country into a senseless mind numbing low point over 14years. So have no sympathy. But lets remember who put them there - the slenderest of a majority of the British electrorate. I still have great deal coming to terms with that 1% margin of population who did us in in 2016. A significant number of those have (literally) died of since and the sentiment changed to the opposite of those who were there but have come to realise (too late) they were duped.
Nice to be soon clever!
Anagram of Tories: i.e. rots.
awww I just broke my tiny violin....
Is anyone else totally unable to discern what possible point he's trying to get across?
The Conservative Party worked best when the average backbencher was a retired army officer or a market town solicitor etc. Ironically, it's the generation of MPS that came to adulthood during the Thatcher years that trashed the Conservative Party.
I would have thought anyone who lived through The Thatcher years would trash the tories!
However she did tell the truth and explain how she was selling off the family silver, these rotters wouldn't know truth if it jumped up and bite them!As it did on the 4th of July!
To be honest I think he is right about one thing within the conservatives there is not one potential leader in the whole bunch and the whole party is tainted by the nightmares of the last fourteen years.
Sunak presumably could not find any suitable candidate amongst all mps for the job of foreign secretary so he dug up Cameron.says all you need to know about the lack of talent in the Conservative party if he was the best they had.
Fysh fingers the wets as reason to throw all the toys out the pram. Still, it's nice to hear this kind of nonsense knowing he & his ilk no longer hold the reins.
Garrr!
This is almost porographic!
Lots of love from Wolverhampton.
Now we have to try and re-build from this train crash the Tories have left after 14 years of austerity, Brexit, Trussenomics and wealth protection at the collective cost of increased inequality!
No mention of Austerity or Liz Truss
There wasnt any austerity, spending went up every single year. The only thing that went down slightly was the rate of increase in spending.
He is quite right about Cameron and May, and Mr Sunak.
Let's get this straight... is he saying that as soon as the Tory Party ceases to be the automatic choice of government it should cease to exist?
"If I can't stay elected, no one else should be."
No acknowledgement that some of those who voted Tory in 2019 in Yeovil, voted for the young Lib Dem candidate Adam Dance.
You have to be "nice" to vote libdem!
There are so few "nice" people, usually they have "independent " means of teach!
So sorry the rest of us have holds up our a...es!
He speaks as though Brexit was a brilliant idea that failed in its execution. This is of course nonsense, but like most Brexiteers he fatly refuses to accept his part in this fiasco and continues to maintian that it was a brilliant idea that was simply not pursued with sufficient vigour or purity. Blinkered self absolution.
You mean there wasn't a completely illegal court decision which voiced the will of the entire nation?
Making the most at being outside the EU, so he says! He then does not address how that is done, as if it’s just obvious, if it were it would have been done by the Tories! Brexit was sold on a premise that there would be no adverse economic effects and that the world would give us the type of preferential trade agreements we could not get in the EU, that was their mantra! THE EXACT OPPOSITE has occurred with sub-standard post Brexit trade deals, lowered inward investment (Honda gone, AZ gone, Britishvolt fell flat) and many of the last of UK manufacturing industry bribed to stay (Nissan, BMW (Mini) and Jaguar/Landover to the tune of £750,000,000 of public monies). No services in the T&CA that led to £2.3 TRILLON of Euro Derivative trade leaving the City in May 2021, and that is for starters!!
They've be going down in hundreds since the 1960's!
Thatcher destroyed much of our industry in the 80's!
Good education is completely denied to the working classes, once grammars were destroyed by the Labour party!
Oh and when did we decide to come off the gold standard!
And who decided to take the pound from 240 pennies to 100?
There's more to skinning this rabbit than calling it Brexit!
Bring back History and stuff humanities!
Lots of love from Wolverhampton!
(Once known as the workshop of the world!lol)
Why would anyone ask about the campaign? In macro the opinion polls did not change. Whilst Farage may have galvanised Reform they were running in almost all seats anyway and plenty were voting that way at the beginning. So even that element of the campaign changed the details but not the outcome. People may have been aghast at the D-Day performance but that did not matter as the Tories actually outperformed the opinion polls taken after that. The Conservatives lost because they took tax payers money and gave it to their global rich supporters. They lost because they are corrupt and transparently so. They are the remnants of the Norman Conquest, the dukes the barons the earls, our feudal landowning overlords. They deserve the dustbin of history because they work for the 0.01% whilst pretending to work for the country.
Yeah DC called the referendum then promptly resigned, thereby causing the problems.
Not promptly. Only after it had been held. There was no way that he could stay on pushing a policy that he did nott believe in.
The Tories doubled the UK govts Nation debt and UK tax payers ( not the wealthy offshores) have the highest persoanl burden since 1948. At least know the numbers mister.
I didn't comply with kick down or take the gene therapy!
I didn't see the Labour or lib dems condemn the Tory action plan!
Was there any free and frank discussions in the Corporate Media!
Who screeched louder at the science denyiers!
Grow up and read a few books!
Start with Kennedy,'s "Fauchi" and maybe your eyes might be opened!
No mention of crime,prisons,nhs or families and conservative has no connection to the things across every community
The house is on fire and he’s jilted, not gonna stick around to help put out the fire he helped start. Wet wipe! 😅😂
In the entire political set up in the UK, is not fit for purpose.
95 % off mps need clearing out of parliament. Wasted money. And the whole system needs updated to make the voting system work for the people not the top hats 🎩
Five stages of Grief - denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. I think Marcus is in between depression and acceptance.
He should do penance as a taxi driver and maybe write a book!
I was a Tory has been!
Lots of love from Wolverhampton!
9 minutes, zero actual specifics. Nothing but slogans and generic, vague bullshiat that doesn't mean anything.
"Poor" Mr. Churchill 😂😂😂😂😂
Churchill would have joined 'Change' Labour , and so would RA Butler.
@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence 😂🤝🤣Oportunism- Surviving recipe... AGREED... No trace of morality for the" Elite" !
That man thought that a week's worth of rations was for a day!
Glad he wasn't on Blenheim Battlefield!We'd have been talking French a lot earlier than 2005!
@@jackiefisher1820 GOOD LUCK UK... THE FUTURE LOOKS SO BRIGHT!
Find out who were still members of the wider Conservative party beyond parliament the day Truss resigned, and FORWARD THEM THE ENTIRE BILL FOR ALL THE DAMAGE THEY CAUSED BY ELECTING HER (having been warned IN ADVANCE by Rishi Sunak himself just how disastrous her policies would be). I would exempt most Tory MPs themselves, because to do them justice, most of them shared the GENERAL PUBLIC's preference for Rishi Sunak over Truss. (The only actual Tory MPs who should be billed personally for all the damage caused, should be Truss herself, her Chancellor of the Exchequer, and the rest of her ministers).
Broader party memberships of WHATEVER party, who represent nobody but themselves, HAVE NO BUSINESS interfering with the selection process of a prime minister, which should be the absolutely EXCLUSIVE PRESERVE of the general public's duly elected representatives in the House of Commons. Accordingly, the choice of prime minister should be by SECRET BALLOT of MPs alone, to prevent any improper influence being exerted by broader memberships of ANY party. If the then preference for Rishi Sunak over Truss, of both the general public and of actual Tory MPs themselves, had prevailed over the wishes of reactionary Tory party activists, significantly LESS damage would have been caused. (Though that could have had the unfortunate side effect of the Tories potentially surviving this general election, the deeper moral should still be obvious.) The imposition of Truss on the general public, against both their wishes and those of most Tory MPs by reactionary Tory party activists, was a conspiracy against the general public, for which those Tory party activists should be forced to PAY. AND INCIDENTALLY, IF, PERISH THE THOUGHT, SIR KEIR STARMER WERE EVER TO RESIGN, THE CHOICE OF SUCCESSOR SHOULD RESIDE EXCLUSIVELY WITH ACTUAL LABOUR MPs.
I wish someone would describe what they mean by "left" and "right" and "centre".
One has to wonder why he remained in the Tory party in parliament. He must have seen this evolving over 4 leaders.
The interviewer should have pressed him on why he would not join Reform. Is it just a social issue - his friends would not want him to do that.
It means nothing. A relic from the parliament of the 1700s. Not sure why they continue to use it prescriptively.
Reform is a right wing populist protest movement, not a sensible political party. Farage would happily join the Cons, but only small fish would go the other way.
TBF, the Tories operated like a protest party as well when they were in government. But that just shows us what Reform would be like with power.
Agree - the interviewer may as well not have been there.
He maybe right about disbanding the Tory party but if he thinks any party can get elected by moving even further away from our biggest trading partners, he is nuts.
You cannot be serious!
@@jackiefisher1820 well, how has moving away from the EU going for the Tories?
The Conservative Party is no longer conservative.
And all the partying has caused a hangover.
It hasn't been for some time now. When Michael Howard became leader, he accepted the Blair agenda and then Cameron wanted to be "the heir to Blair" - that is why the Tories are in the mess.
It was only Brexit keeping them on life support and they werent even serious about that.
Lenin first came up with sending migrants to Rwanda.
Not a party either ,it would seem!
Delusional
Why doesn't he join Reform UK?
He will, I'd wager.
This guy is talking complete and utter nonsense.
Here here!😂
I see that Sunak as soft right definitely not centre left. I would be interested to hear what this chap would call center right policies.
Exactly. I think Sunak is actually further to the right than that, but not as far as Johnson was. I think we all know what this guy considers "centre right" and the rest of us call it fascism.
The underlying sentiments, that the party was / is fractured are true. there are at least 3 political outlooks within the conservative party that were unable to reach consensus (either by logic or leadership) To the point the party was unrecognisable to the public. Surely those liberal, green or socialist members would have been more suited elsewhere. Or are they all so entitled that putting country before self and party was an alien concept. Still, a great "How not to do it" moment for future PPE graduates
Aw the bitter sting of BrexiTears
David Cameron begrudgingly called for a vote on brexit, and he knew that the public wanted to go through with it and yet he didn't support brexit and rather than implement the will of the people, he showed cowardice and chickened out and resigned, leaving it to the rest of the conservatives
Cameron was well aware Brexit would be a disaster although I imagine it's even worse than he could have imagined. If you hated asylum seekers or immigrants in general, you wanted cheaper food, better trade, more money for the NHS or whatever other lies that were believed, none of it has happened. In fact it has all gotten much worse. Brexit truly is a cult, "you just have to believe"...
Centre-right? Tories are currently centre-right? That's their problem. They don't even know what they are anymore. Today's Tories have no self-awareness and don't realise quite how far they have moved to the right wing
They can dress which ever say is the most pleasant!
Just get back to good old Powell politics!
Lots of love from Wolverhampton.
Maths Profs say Gareth must start Trent. In a 343 system. Also use inform Palmer & Gordon as impact subs as per Serial Winner Souness in MoS 7/7/24. Allardyce & Steve Bruce also back Souness.
Foden is off it.
Why would a Party with 24% of the vote and over 120 seats and thousands of lical councillors dissolve?