The Tories face 'oblivion' | Lord Eric Pickles
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- “Don’t think this is rock bottom, understand it could get worse."
There is no "magic bullet", the Conservatives face "oblivion", says Conservative peer Lord Eric pickles.
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Worst government of my lifetime.
You ain’t seen nothing yet
Contender for worst period of government in UK history.
Worst government of anyone's lifetime!
Worse than Thatcher's endless regime?
@@earlofdoncaster5018 Much worse.
Incompetence? More like criminal
Incompetent criminals.
Finger-crossed!! I hope it does get worse for them.
That tickled me 😁
Having a roof over your head in the UK is considered a premium, luxurious privilege. To me, this encapsulates the Conservative attitude towards the general public: the strong and wealthy thrive, while the rest must compete for a caravan.
When I was brought up as a tiny lad, the Profumo Affair was a disgrace. In the Johnson Administration it would have been a proud addition to a ministerial C.V.
For a lot of conservative MPs Politics is a HOBBY.😢
Yes - just pocket money! 😡
It’s a route in to line their own pockets.
You know you're in a bad way when Mr Pickles is wheeled out to give his advise on how a tory can do better. 😂
Broad church with no religion. They're finished. Done for. The Tories have stood for nothing since November 1990.
Very true and I am not a Tory....
In fairness Sir John brought us into Europe
The idea that Mr Pickles is a "lord" is laughable. He is barely qualified to be a greengrocer
Bill Maher asked if the House of Lords was a gay bar. It holds less combined intellect than your greengrocer's. Also, your greengrocer's is blessed by the absence of bishops. And, most greengrocers know how to balance a budget, or they disappear. Last I heard, they were talking about nearly 4 Bil GBP to repair the HoL. That would pay for the freakin Grand Palacio de Greengrocers! Why can't we get a competent Guy Fawkes?!? Find the right building next time!
Don’t insult greengrocers.
Typo. He's a lard.
He needs to see a greengrocer 😂😂
talks a lot more sense than many of the other privileged MPs
The fact that even those Tory MP's who have come from the working classes have this weird love affair with David Cameron as though he was a great leader tells me everything I need to know about why the tory party failed. Just because for some bizarre reason they loved him, did not mean the country did. I couldn't stand him and I think I speak for many millions of Brits. It beggars belief the tory party just cannot even see their gaping faults much less deal with nuanced problems.
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What's the deal with the new account, Ai generated profile and banner pics. Are you a bot account, because all signs point to you being a bot account.
Criminal investigation needs to happen
Pickles, who supported the Rwanda policy without reading it, thinking it meant successful claimants would be able to return to the UK. 😅
Example of the Tory incompetence that has destroyed them.
I’m not surprised that things could get worse
See what14 straight years of Thatcher style economics can do for a country. I cannot even imagine how you fix this mess.
Thatcher-style economics, as you put it, led to most people being far better off in 1990 than they were in 1979. For one thing she put an end to the incessant number of strikes that were crippling British industry. These reforms were so effective that Tony Blair's government left them in place.
@@whiteheatherclub "Thatcher-style economics, as you put it, led to most people being far better off in 1990 "
Yes, at least partly because we joined the EU .....
That's why Britain is in the toilet today. Thatchernomics.
Delusional Vogon is still as clueless as ever.
At least there's no poetry....
Resistance is useless!
@@brenglover72which one is the lump of green putty?
I don’t know what ‘good things’ have to be dismantled. What is he on about.
That will be the highly profitable Tory corruption.
Doesn't look like 'Lord' Pickles has much need of the food banks over the few years.
As an American, I regret that we will never have a figure named Lord Pickles
Take ours, you’re welcome to him.
Course you could. In America people can be given any name under the sun. If someone wants to call their child Lord Hippopotamus Periwinckle Eisenhower there's nothing to stop them.
What Mr Pickles didnt say was the Public will remember what the Tories have done for a very long time.
All the infrastructure projects they ignored & neglected. Crumbling hospitals & schools. Public Service incomes (except their own, obvs). They were just in it for themselves & their chums, eg. The handing out of PPI contracts whilst neglecting the deaths in elderly Nursing homes.
This is the guy that overturned convention to keep Tories in control in his council, and pushed through prayers before meetings. Christian prayers of course.
And why not Christian prayers as Christians far outnumber people of other religions in this country?
Rees-Mogg warned about this years ago but I bet he didn't ever consider he would lose his seat. That's the real benchmark.
Vebatim: "Si non viderim quomodo asinum meum ex tito meo dicas, incendam!"
@@jonb5493 Typo aside, I am sure Sir Jacob would appreciate your candour with both a degree of amusement and recognition of the importance of a point of view :).
What are the good things they did that Labour will dismantle? Is someone or their mates about to lose some lucrative contracts.
@@1pauljs Labour don't dismantle, they reconstruct and build where possible.
Taking us out of the European Union and giving us back control ovef our own affairs for a start.
There's a very big lesson for all the politicians to learn and the Tories in particular.
You have been elected to serve this country and its citizens.
You have not been elected to look after your personal interest and serve your allies regardless of them being international criminals or disrespectful to the international human rights.
You have been elected to look after the welfare of the citizens and their wellbeing.
Be honest, sincere, loyal and faithful to this country.
Stop arming and supporting the tyrants, corrupt and the bloodthirsty.
Concentrate on simple things like our NHS, education, constructive foreign policy, etc.
Listen to the needs and concerns of the public and stop living in your own castles.
Don't use racism and religion as political football to divert the public's attention from your crimes and wrongdoings.
Jeez,how subsidised is the house of lords tuck shop
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Actually, it as though he's lost a lot of weight...
Jenrick was on Kuenssburg this morning and one of the first things he said was, ‘the Conservative Party is a broad church.’ I immediately said back to the telly, ‘er….no. No it isn’t. That’s the problem.’
So you think that including Pro-Brexit and pro-EU MPs is not a broad church. Or you think that including people who are in favour of gender theory and people who oppose it is not a broad church? Or including people whose instinct is to raise taxes and people who prefer to lower taxes is not a broad church? Part of the Tory problem is that they spent so much of the last 14 years fighting each other than being a united party.
Zero seats! Zero seats! LOL
Hope Starmer gets back all the ppe corrupt money etc
He'll put it in his pension fund. He has his own Act of Parliament to guarantee his huge pension, and it allows him to break all the rules that others have to obey, e.g. no lifetime cap on contributions. One rule for Starmer, another for you.
Indeed, and I also hope that the individuals who awarded illegal contracts are tried and punished accordingly.
Pickles is a walking heart attack
The voters won't decide if the Tories are finished. Their donors will make this decision for them.
the tory party donors that arent now team labour are pushing Reform like Murdoch
Actually it will be the membership that makes the decision. And they're well to the right of the parliamentary party.
Their local organisers have left already. Back in 2015, when Cameron called them swivel-eyed loons.
Thank you, Lord Pork Pie.
The Tories lost the trust of the British people by pulling out of the European Union on the flimsy basis of a referendum.
...which was based on lies by scoundrels.
That was democracy in action I think you will find, however the campaign played on fear and promised benefits that were not their gift to give.
The original vote to join the EEC was quite a good thing for Britain problem was we were never asked about further integration both politically economically and legally, given where we are now we are better placed under Labour to reach accommodations over our relationship with Europe and a possible further referendum at some point the secret will be whst question we ask the voters in or out will not suffice.
Its called democracy, were you not consulted?
@@maccagrabme No, democracy is not rule by referenda. Representative democracy means you elect politicians to make decisions on your behalf.
@@maccagrabme "Its called democracy, were you not consulted?"
It's not democracy when the candidates knowingly lie. That's fraud.
Freedom of the individual rather than realising that it is the collective effort of a society that produces it's best work.....
Not sure what that is supposed to mean. Are you saying that the "collective effort of a society" should replace "freedomm of the individual"? That would sound rather Marxist and would have gone down well in Stalin's Soviet Union.
@@whiteheatherclub So the Soviet Union was communist not socialist. Clement Atlee stood by the principle of collective effort and there is a good reason why academics have cited him as the best and most effective prime minister that Britain has ever had. There are multiple ways socialism can be applied to a country and it can often be very effective. It isn’t about completely giving up freedom but about not being greedy which total freedom of the individual often causes. A large part of the mess we are in goes back to Thatchers policies which tempted people at the time to buy out all the social housing because of the so called “ freedom of the individual” and now that housing is no longer available.
Don't mention Brexit.
Lord Pickles looks like he ate all the pickles in the Big Macs.....and then all the big Macs too.
You leave Humpty alone.
It was inevitable that after their loss the Conservatives would try to find out why the country did not want them to rule any longer but the reasons were obvious
.Every circus needs a few clowns to make people laugh and liven up the atmosphere but when the clowns outnumber the serious performers nobody interested anymore.
Take some time and deliberation in picking the next leader......
Indeed, veiled reference to not electing Braverman or Patel.
Until they realize that being honorable means just that, and they sadly took the road to selfish greed not caring about the country but taking the tax payers for granted, they will,never change their ways of thinking for their education teaches them that money is the prime objective in ones life.
Not over yet.
The factions in the Tory Party are like sodium and water.
Rubidium and water.
Gin and Orange
It was hilarious to see 'Honesst' Bob on Laura K saying that the electorate punished them for not doing things, seemingly unaware that they had been judged on the things they had done. Their behaviour in government was horrible. But the man who the obliteration of a cartoon on a children's reception centre could only behave thus.
Bubble bass over here.
STILL NO PICKLES
Why, is he going to eat them? The embodiment of tory greed.
If they had, had a person like him leading the TORY Party for the last 5 years Labour would not be in government today.
If they carry along the path that put them in opposition then it's curtains....
The trouble is - the Tories are well funded(the big building companies and a few big multi nationals) - I can't see them getting destroyed(as much as I would like it).
I don’t think they are that popular now, after Brexit.
@@patrikfloding7985And after a certain PM's "F*** Business"
We should Neve look down our nose at somebody who had the misfortune of going o Eton.
Exactly.
We all kn ow what goes on there.
I think Lord Eric has been eating too many pickles .
Growing up in the 70s & 80s, you Knew what the Conservative Party stood for ; Law & Order, Strong Defence, Keeping Taxes down and Public Spending low. There were a few scandals (usually sex-based), but you always got the impression that the senior Tories knew they were there to SERVE the country and show Patriotism. Labour winning three GEs panicked the Tories into also becoming a LIBERAL party - and their traditional values were tossed aside. Now, Tory voters are tossing Them aside. Blame yourselves. Reform is the new Opposition.
Can’t believe they seem so shocked they lost so badly, we tried to tell them. Some seem to think going further right is the answer which baffles me because that’s why they lost in the first place.
They were right? From a foriegn nationals perspective the UK Conservative party seems very left and they were good at it hence why they lost.
They were too far left for Corbyn
@@andyseeley4972 well this is a democracy and the MAJORITY of the country are centre or centre left so moving to the right may be great amongst the right wing but even if you add reforms votes to the Tories and also share… it’s still less than labours, greens combined and also Lib Dem’s, many Tories voted for them because of the shift to the right the Tory party has taken, so add those up to, the far right reform ideological exercise will always be a minority opinion in this country.
Whatever you think of him it's an accurate summary of the Tory party's current malaise.
Too little, too late. The Tories are already into oblivion!
Yep, the Tories definitely got PIckled.
If labour does a good job nobody will vote tory again for 25 years
Like how he turned the SMUG, privately school educated Adam Boulton’s question back onto him! Having a pop when he himself went to Tower House School! Cheek
Piggy Pickles - so arrogant he complained he was being detained too long while giving evidence at the Grenfell enquiry.
Understand that it could get worse, they could abolish the house of Lords
I'm surprised he reacted to the class issue as he did. It was almost like it touched a raw nerve.
Generally on the other issues he was spot on.
Suggesting David Cameron could be a man of the people when he wanted to be. I'm sorry but that is wrong. David Cameron and George Osborne were the worst, most out of touch leaders I have seen in my life time.
Sour vegetable by name ...
The anger of the betrayed public is beyond belief The Tories ruined the country and saying sorry is not enough people want retribution someone should pay for this deceit and betrayed. As it stands the voters suffers and pays the cost
Awwww You Tube defending the Tories got offended by one of my comments and removed it! I wanted to point out Mr Pickles Disgusting Comment about the British Electorate: he said "We want it all and we want it now"
I think this comment s one of the most DISGUSTING COMMENTS I have ever heard.
14 YEARS OF AUSTERITY, Mr Pickles.
WHAT DID YOU GIVE US?
Simpole question: Is Governmemt spending now higher or lower than it was in 2010?
Conservatives should look at there selection process for MP's (to be fair, other parties should too), Liz Truss should never have been a MP, never mind a minister or PM. Personally, I think every MP / Lord in parliament should after pass a economics test and a common sense / wisdom test.
What is Lord Egg head taking about?... It obvious his opinions are they very problem.. he represents no one. He lives in a world that we don't.
I've always found Pickles a bit jarring.
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I'm not a fan of Pickles, but he does seem to have a sensible view of where the Tories are right now
"Let the members decide" (on the next leader). Look at their track record - Johnson, Truss and not Sunak.
Gammon and pickles for supper
"Many good things we put together being dismantled by the Labour party"? Hahahahahahahaha. Just when he was beginning to sounds serious and genuinely self-aware, he comes out with that cobblers
It might be all too easy to characterise a personality such as Lord Eric Pickles, coming from where he does, as one who should surely be attracted to the idea of the Tory Party chasing after Reform UK, but it is to his credit that he sees right through that. It can be nothing but a dead end for the party.
What happens next must depend on what the post election MPs consist of. The Tories have been virtually annihilated because they are no longer a Conservative Party. However if the post election MPs are as left wing as the pre election Tories then electing a new leader is a waste of time. The party has to split with the left wingers being left behind and the true right of centre MPs ( if there are any) going their own way. If they were then to move to Reform there might be a way ahead.
What they should do and what they will do will be two separate things. They will have a right punch up (pun intended) and put the most right wing and abrasive candidates forward to their extreme party members. The winner of the contest will be on a very short leash given the low bar on the number of letters required to trigger a recall election and hopefully they'll repeat the Hague, IDS, Howard process and take a long time over it. Their track record on selecting the final two candidates has been awful: May/ Leadsom (DNF), Johnson/Hunt, Truss/Sunak, Sunak /Johnson(bottled it, allegedly).
Clearly in a group of one but I thought he spoke very well for the conservatives. Clearly it is a very low bar but credit where credit is due IMHO.
Here’s a novel idea, how about we socialise the profit & privatise the costs. Give the middle class & working poor a break from austerity & let the filthy rich pay it for a change.
My god.....who ate all the pies!
Can bearly speak amidst those heavy jowells.
You cant put Humpty Dumpty back together again for the Tories.The great fall is what it is.
Lord Piks looks like he’s been living high on the hog for quite some time.
The main problem is Brexit, Brexit, Brexit. The most ridiculous self-harming policy that was forced onto the British people. Farage the Fascist is mainly to blame followed by Cameron who didn't have the guts to stand up against him!!
You omit to mention the scruff-in-chief
God that man got so mutch from being cut this cut that except for mPsperks and dodgy scams with lies about can’t be done he should be in jail not the lords
Did he eat all the pickles
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Pickles represents everything wrong with the Tories!
Bitter Pickles.😊
I prefer the ones in chilli dill.
I truly don't want to "body-shame", which I absolutely admit is about as convincing as "I''m not racist, but...", but, I don't think Eric's ever had to make a choice between eating or heating. If he has, he must be really, really cold - someone give him a hug.
What dya mean? He's trimmed down a LOT, by a quantity equivalent to the average body weight of the homeless outside my local supermarkets.
Mr Pickles looks like the stereotypical friendly neighborhood butcher to me.
The Tory party lost the election because of deception of partygate, the incompetence of Liz Truss' government, and this year trying to out reform the reform party, taking them over to the hard right. Overall, the English people are conservative with a small c. So if the Tories ever want to govern again, they need to get back to advocating centre-right policies.
Loyal? Mr Pickles goes to Greggs
Oven baked ready ....aukus raucus caucus .... yes that Boris strategy went well did it not ? Pickles and Fish! Tories had plenty of time to get it right...but took the arrogant superior attitudes instead. Too bad. Humility is not a Tory attribute Lord P. Good luck with that.
lord pickles..it sums up the torys.....seeing that...and how many will sunak elevate to the lords.....
Are honesty and decency Conservative principles? Just asking.
This chap is part of the problem. He was the future once and if they are going to have any chance in the future they need to clear out the old duffers and get some younger charismatic people involved.
Lol, Lord Pickles
Not sure this gentleman is the right person to ask, the Conservstives haveva lot of reflection to do and a great deal of reconstruction of trust to do with voters as they proved so untrstworthy and self interested over such a long time it could take a long timd before average voters are prepared to listen to them.
I suggedt they get on with being an effective oppodition and avoid cosying up to Reform as a large proportion of the defection of voters to them are motivated by ideoligies that centre leaning conservative voters find abhorrent.
Ha pickles is a salad dodger
Mid Dirset and N Poole did not have Reform candidate and Tories lost to the Lib Dems
Lord Pickles 😂😂😂
Bro change your name, it'd only be better if your first name was Tommy 😂😂😂
Conservative Principles? Lying, stupidity, cruelty, these are the principles that are inherent in the Conservative Party.
You forgot corruption!
@@RichardBrook-kq8dm Yes, too many to remember
Anyone else amused how everyone is saying the same thing? Doesn't matter where in the party they sit, it's clearly a time for the Tort party to rethink its focus because quite obviously the party has been rejected. Also the answer to where the party needs to refocus is wherever the commentator or MP already thought the party should refocus because unlike the rest of the party they don't need to pause and reflect. If anything the Tory loss just demonstrated they've been right all along. But everyone else needs to have a bit of a rethink.
I have yet to see anyone stand up and be surprised that after getting a large enough majority after years of Tory policy being implemented that it turns out Tory policies being put into practice just aren't that popular. The members of the party aren't that popular. Tory party culture, borderline toxic. You can't just keep scaring people talking about culture war nonsense or immigration, you have to actually be able to run a country.
"Derbyshire is a wonderful place but I never led Derbyshire Council." That put the Times Radio man in his place. Another southerner who can't tell the difference between Derbyshire and Bradford and another misguided fellow who seems to think that money grows on trees.
OK Boomer
The Racist Pickles ,? he was the one as secretary of state for the Tories,He thought he could decide alone to pull a Racist card in the planning Laws ,to just take the traveller communities planing application alone,,till the court decided he was unjust ,,he was force to stop it,,,a traveller woman took him to court and won, his there one normal Tory ever going to come on these Show...lololololo..
The conservative party banned smoking. I dont know any actual conservative who even thought of that as a priority. They've been anything other than conservative for the past 14 years
It saves us from having the NHS treat all those lung, oesophageal, and lip cancers and the rest of us paying for that.
Stop forcing me to pay the NHS consequences of your legal drug use.
@@harrybarrow6222 smoking saves the NHS money because smokers die young and don't need healthcare in their 80s and 90s since they are dead.
@NeonVisual not a fan of the government using free health care as an excuse to tell me what i can and can't do recreationally, I feel the same about the sugar tax
@@lewis123417 Yes poor parenting often leads to people who think the rules don't apply to them and can't handle being told what to do.
People like you are the reason we have laws for what would be common sense. Smokers should have no NHS access whatsoever, including dental, GP and A&E.
Poor and disabled people face devastating cuts and victimisation under the Labour plans to save money and help their wealthy friends.
Are you a bit confused? Where is your evidence?
Stop talking about the Tories and start talking about Labour.
If Bad-Enoch a black Mickimouse is the next Conservative Party Leader Oblivion will prevail!