Never in a million years would I have imagined sitting through an hour video of product testing for an auto coating material. This is the most fascinating, comprehensive, understandable, and unbiased product test I've ever seen. Jason, you've done an outstanding job. I am truly impressed. Wished you lived and worked in the Miami area.
There is a twenty minute video on washing microfibre cloths somewhere. Brilliant, like this. PS, I got the Mrs to get liquid detergent for the washing machine and not powder because of that video. Don't tell her why though.
I wish every mechanic, store, shit I buy, other services, doctors, etc was as honest, transparent, thorough, curious and as detailed as this guy. What an amazing video
This reminds me more of the investigative journalism stories that used to exist years (decades) ago. How refreshing to see this kind of reporting hasn't been lost like so much else.
Now coat half of a car in Graphene, and the other half in CSL. Live with it for 6-12 months, and report back monthly. This is the only real way to test a coating in my opinion. From my hands on experience with CSL that slickness you love will diminish quickly, as well as the crazy hydrophobicity unless topped with EXO. This is a great starting point, but I think it needs to be expanded and tested further for a true conclusion.
I have my vehicle with one side Avalon king and the other side Adam’s graphene. It has been over a year. Both are doing well but I think graphene is not as slick to me. I don’t think graphene makes much of a difference from what I experienced so far talking to other retailers and my own experience.
I appreciated what Jason did here. He put the industry first, as a whole, over individual profits. The responses from the various Graphene coating companies is very telling of what is going on with these underdeveloped products. He saved me from buying $500 in coatings for my business that truly hasn't been properly vetted or developed.
Appreciate CAP for making this vid on graphene! After watching the entire vid, I’d have to agree with the chemist from Dr Beasley, this is more marketing hype than an actual new product that is superior to ceramic coatings. I also take it that CAP came to the same conclusion as they mentioned in the description that they no longer carry Ethos Graphene!!
Jason, after watching all six different videos by the UA-cam superstars on the 303 graphenes, and so many others about the newest product in ceramics, the graphene, I think Ethos represents all of them in your example. My take is that your video has far surpassed all the others in its depth, scope, and conclusions. From what I can gather over the last couple of months and more specifically the last two weeks, Graphene is more of a new "Buzz" word than an actual new product that covers your car in graphene for protection. It is more of a different recipe within the ceramic world. AMMO NYC explains it better than anyone I have read or watched. Your test validates exactly what he explained on his charts, graphs, and chemical analysis. After everything has been said and done, my conclusion is that the "new" ceramic we are now calling "Graphene" are a little easier to apply than some of the other ceramics, but when it comes to all the other attributes, gloss, protection, water beading, water spot issues, and durability, well, they seem very similar indeed. The greatest video I have seen in a long time and I would love to see you and AMMO NYC join in producing a video. Thank you so much.
I would ad that the mfr Adams graphene may have other properties that make it excel even though graphene itself may be a buzzword. In tests I saw (on UA-cam, admittedly) the durability and persistence of Adams was very easy to witness.
That chemist from Dr. Beasleys impresses me. You can tell he's honest to a T and doesn't have that corporate salesman type of talk. I'm definitely going to look into their products
Another good stuff. I always think that the advancement of technology is getting more and more remarkable rapidly. In the near future, ceramic coatings may get the feature of bulletproof.
I use graphene ceramic coating on all of my clients vehicles and I’ve found out it that it keeps it’s water heading for years. I had a previous ceramic coating on my personal vehicle and i polished again and applied the graphene coating and it goes on very easy, it wipes off easy and so far after a year it looks like the first day that I put it on
How has your graphene coatings held up? Your message was 3 years ago so id be interested to hear your opinion on graphene now that a lot of time has passed...i personally love the 303 nano graphene spray...it applies so easy, doesn't require a ton of orep work and can easily be reapplied as needed. Do uou orefer a specific product?
This is one of the best videos on the internet when it comes to facts, knowledge, and just common sense when it comes to Graphene. I could listen to Jim explain things all day long
Our industry needs more of this level of education. We as pros are not immune to the marketing buzz words (in fact, most of us probably use them, i.e. "hand wash" etc.) Thanks CAP for this video! I'm always looking for the best for my customers and feel that I stick my neck out hoping these products live up to the claims. At the end of the day, I'm the one that the customer will hold responsible. Thanks again.
Nice to know there are companies out there that still strives to do the best work possible and cares about their customers. Where are u located bro. I'm an Birds fan so you must be Philly/ South Jersey
Absolutely love it, thank you for taking the time to put together such a comprehensive review! I learned a ton and I think you had the right guys for the discussion. The graphene can be stronger than steel and kevlar and still not be bulletproof. A single atom layer of steel or kevlar is not bulletproof either. You need a good thickness of those materials that are millions and millions of atoms thick.
I appriciate the investigation format of this video. This is one of the biggest questions in the industry right now and there are no clear answers. All this investigation and info is greatly appriciated. Thank you.
Jason, a message from a real coatings chemist with a PhD: Hydrofluoric Acid of any strength is potentially lethal if splashed on your skin. I would not do what you did unless I was wearing a specialist chemical protection suit. Bare arms and exam gloves are a trip to your local chemical burns unit. Always have calcium gluconate cream to hand if you must use HF.
For real… That’s what street bombers use to etch tags on windows cause it just eats away at the glass leaving a permanent cloudy surface behind. But it’s well known that it’s VERY dangerous to deal with…if you accidentally spill some on your hand or arm it’s gonna melt away the flesh instantly. It’s literally the acid you think of when you see monster movies where they dissolve bodies in barrels of acid lol
Hydroflouric acid does NOT burn skin silly. It is odorless and looks like water and goes through the skin and starts eating the calcium in your bones. You are thinking of hydrochloric acid maybe.
As a car guy I want to thank you for the videos that you make. My detail game, which didn't exist until I started watching your channel and Pan the Organizer, will never be the same. As a chemist, I have a couple issues with your episode. I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned these yet (forgive me, but I didn't read all 250 comments); however, to measure the temperature resistance of the coating you would need to measure the temperature from the bottom of the hood. Preliminarily, I would suggest that the higher temperature of the graphene side is actually encouraging. It's tells you that there is more energy being repelled on the graphene side than on the ceramic side. This should occur whether the uninterrupted layer is intact or not because the conductive properties are inherit to the particle (as far as I've read anyway) if connected to another particle or not. In other words, it should offer the heat displacement as long as the suspended particles are present, random or latticed. Secondly, when you were using chemicals at the end you used Hydrochloric Acid, not Hydrofluoric Acid... Or you would be dead... For reference look up the SDS on Hydrofluoric Acid. It's really nasty stuff. I helped stabilize a coworker who had concentrated HF splashed on her neck. I'll spare you the details, but even now I can remember the scene as if it just happened. So, HCl, not HF. Otherwise, keep up the good work!
Mostly for cleaning mineral crust around door jamb and emblems. The minerals in my country is nasty. There's no single deposit remover made for car detailing able to cut through it. And I already tried most of it, from Optimum HDR to Modesta M5 Flame. Anyone who use it should be a higly trained professional, and remember not even nitrile gloves able to withstand it.
@@arapaimagold8088 let me think about it a little and reply once I come up with an idea. Using HF for car detailing seems... Well... Just not worth it. That being said, there has to be a solution (pun intended 😁) to this problem. One that doesn't require you to handle an acid that eats the calcium from your bones when soaked in through your skin. Okay, so what minerals and metals are giving you problems. The more exact you are the better. Also, how do you keep it from eating the aluminum and/or whatever other metal it's being sprayed on? How are you neutralizing it?
As a newer detailer I appreciate the testing and the content on your channel... saves my business a ton of time and money. Money I'll probably spend at one of your classes/courses.
To clarify, because I don't think Beasley property answered your question about graphene in relation to the strength. The notion that graphene is 200x stronger than steel is ONLY true when you talk about a ONE ATOM thick layer, which is how graphene lays out, compared to one atom thick of steel. Steel, like "bullet proof glass," is not actually bullet proof until they reach a certain thickness. Furthermore, the "strength" of graphene is based on a linear force test, since graphene itself is 1 layer thick, and means that pulling it apart from both ends (effectively) makes it the strongest. But the question then becomes, how then does that play a role in a coating when the formula obviously contains 98%+ NON-graphene material. Still waiting on that answer.
The answer is that he has not seen any benefit of adding Graphene into a coating because it’s not creating the lattice structure needed to create the “barrier” layer.
Maze to confusion But we don’t know from what. I have been asking this question since graphene was first toted. Nobody has given even a basic explanation for HOW the graphene itself causes that. It *could* be helping, but we don’t know if it is something else in the formula.
The notion of producing that structural chicken wire layer has yet to be explained. We know Graphene as a product entity has great potential, adding it as a ratio does not in itself improve strength..or function.
Graphene is being explored in the bike industry for thinner thus lighter frames. But, they have difficulty of forming the material in whatever process they have available. I can imagine graphene can only be added for coating a surface in the smallest amount that it has no advantage over a ceramic.
Jason I don’t know about the chemistry nor do I care. I’m just like you I just want to know what works the very best for my customers but with that said Adam’s Graphene Coating IMO is by far the most durable long lasting coating I’ve ever seen & I’ve been applying these for 6 years now. I put it on my car and go through the tunnel wash (purposely) daily for 1 1/2 years now and I don’t have a single scratch & it’s as durable as day 1. This is in harsh N Michigan environment also. It’s absolutely amazing. No water spots also!! I’m so impressed with it!
You can't accurately measure the surface temperature of the hood with a infrared thermometer without knowing the emissivity of the coating. The one used in the video isn't adjustable either. Best to use a thermocouple fastened to the bottom of the hood below each coating. It's unlikely that there'd be a measurable difference however given that they're both on the same metallic substrate. The middle of the hood itself would transmit heat between the hotter side and the cooler side. I better test would be to use to separate hoods (1 per treatment).
Earned my respect cause you didn't Shill the NEW hype product and did a legit comparison, Need more of this from the Industry cause its full of HYPE *cough* BS *cough* products.
I put the ethos graphene matrix on about three months ago on my tundra. It was the first coating I ever applied. What I can say about it is amazing. It was easy to apply, great gloss and slickness but again this is my first coating. Great video though love to see honest educated videos! Keep it up Jason
I became a Graphene "fan" immediately upon hearing about it. I have been so excited about the MANY applications and developments, and THESE interviews with Jim and Tim are among the most helpful for me out of a couple of hundred videos!!
Ethos seems kinda worried. Everything will be tested it's just a given. Owner doesn't want drama?? Well it's the detail world it's very competitive. Jason you are badass!!
One of my new favorite Detailing videos. Full of knowledge and passion. I love science too! Thanks so much! From Dream Auto Detailing and Services LLC in Columbia md
I am currently testing ethos on my 2020 Corvette C8. I just put out a video on the full detail of it and using ethos for the coating. I drive my Vette a lot so it will be a bit more of a real world test in terms of durability. I will also also be applying ethos on my daily driver detail van that sits outside and see how it holds up. More videos to come on that on my detailing channel for anyone who may be interested in my results of it.
Tim Coats sounds like the kind of guy that doesn't want to know the details of the chemistry from his suppliers, so he doesn't have to outright lie to people when it doesn't do anything different. Based on the two of them talking about their products, I trust Jim Lafeber way more. It also looked like his product underperformed the Gtehcniq slightly. Either way, great video. Appreciate the work you put into this, it's the kind of approach I would take if I was in your shoes.
I cant beleive I actually watched this all the way to the end without fast forwarding, I want to use one of them in my boat, and for the price I'll stick with the ceramic, thanks again great video
Thanks for the video. It very clearly demonstrated that overall there is little difference between graphene and ceramic coatings. And the little difference there is, seems to be in favor of ceramic. But the most important metric is the price to performance ratio. And Gtehcniq Crystal Serum Light beat out Ethos Graphene with ease.
Would be nice to see Adam’s graphene coating tested. I used it on my cars recently and love it but the time will show more. Also I used avalonking ceramic coating on my tv, monitors etc, great results. Now I will compare these two side by side on my spare car door.
I tried Crystal Serum Light and Avalonking Armor Shield both, and the durability from Armor Shield seems better to me. The car with Crystal Serum Light on it is starting to slowly fade, but not the Armor Shield IX car. Let me know your results
Avalonking has a great reputation and so far my coated tv, monitors and few other items look amazing after 2 months so far. I will have to test it on car paint next to Adam’s graphene coating as I mentioned before, long term.
@@samabhinnn The graphene coating seems stronger on our half license plate cover compared to the other half with ceramic coating. Its a real life test, also on one of my cars being outside all year round: There are water spots still, little hard to remove. Overall I’m happier than waxing the cars. Paint still needs protection and care no matter what coating we use, no magic bullet;)
I'm obviously late seeing this video, but woww it was excellent! This video should be a must watch for anyone getting into the detail business or even those that have been going it for years.
I have come to the conclusion that I should apply blue tape to my vehicle in order to protect it. Lol Awesome video, you really do have an analytical mindset when it comes to evaluating products and I appreciate the time you took to talk to experts from the world of coatings.
Thanks Jason for taking the time to conduct this unbiased review. I'll tell you what, the best thing about the video is the new Rupes line ;). I love CSL and can't wait to give Ethos's Grapehne matrix a spin. One thing not mentioned often is that Ceramic coatings aren't going to get much better and that Graphene coatings (however they are made) are arguably nearly as good as the Ceramic that have been tested/proven with R & D over the years. Graphene is still in its infancy and overtime, I believe that it'll be better than Ceramic coatings, but it's not there yet.
Adam's UV Graphene Ceramic Coating is a clear, nanocrystalline coating that protects your vehicle from weather, chemicals, and UV rays while repelling water, dirt and other contaminants. Providing 9H hardness, 7+ years of protection even in the harshest conditions.
Rock star dude! One of the best You Tube videos I’ve seen on ANYTHING! You really dig in to the tech. Thanks a million - or at least for the cost of my paint job. Cheers
I am not yet half way thru and I was thinking of doing a graphene coating but once he said that once it gets a kink it becomes brittle or fractures I think he said makes me think about how it will do in my climate being in Ottawa Ontario Canada. The second thing I am leary on is the flash time because I dont have a climate controlled garage (or even garage to fit my car with walking space all the way around) and found it hard as the flash time was constantly changing every few minutes being outdoors. Absolutely love this kind of content thanks for all the work that went into this video!
Another test you could do that may be interesting is a thickness test. If one leaves more on the surface it may stand out or stand up better just not sure if it would show up on a paint depth gauge
Amazing how chemical resistant they both are,,,Makes me feel good that if I have a little overspray they won't peel right off. Ethos makes really good products at least from my experience ... It would beinteresting to see Gtechcniq compared to a 50 bottle off of amazon.... Cost vs benefit etc..great info..thankyou for the time spent putting this together
Amazing? They are the same chemcial product one just happens to have graphine included so you buy their product and are charged 30 more for it. Grpahine is snake oil talk. Its impossible to distribute speicifc molecular requirements for the benefits of graphine to be utilized. Whats next aerogel coating?
Been researching to learn more on ceramic coating for my car and saw this greatly put video. Informative yet entertaining at the same time. Subscribed right after the video! 👍🏻
Thanks for taking the time to create this video. Looking forward to the days when Graphene coatings can protect against door dings! For now I'll continue to park in BFE!
👆 This! 👆 Just its ability to disperse heat alone is incredibly promising. Not only a lighter more powerful battery, but a safer and more durable battery that can be pushed much harder with a much longer life cycle and greatly reduced charge times. It has the potential to finally bridge that practical performance gap that still exists between gas and electric and corded and cordless tools.
Awesome video. With such a close comparison outcome the logical choice for me would be to purchase the one that has the best reputation, proven longevity and cost. Kinda like the old saying goes " if its not broken don't fix it" Ive had my vehicles ceramic coated with great results. Just purchased a new truck and thought id do some research on new and maybe improved products. From what I gathered there is no reason for me to switch. Thanks for very informative video.
I know this is a 1.5+-year-old video and many things have changed in that time (or has it?) Can you possibly do an update on Graphene coatings today in 2022? THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO! Great information! Subscribed and Notified for all new ones!
A friend had his 2019 ZL1 1LE Camaro done with a graphène coating. The person does many high dollar cars with it & he warrantees is for 5 years. Pretty darn impressive to me.
That was an interesting comparison. My takeaway is that both seem to be good options. I'd need a couple years of actual use and exposure to the harsh conditions we endure here in northern Illinois to decide which is better. Maybe time will tell. When ceramic coatings first came out, the claims were overblown in my opinion. Ceramics are great, and I've had good luck with the one I chose, but you can't just apply a ceramic and expect it to hold up. Booster products help maintain water beading or sheeting properties. After two years of road salt, semi frequent washing, various bird bombs, and brake dust, it's time for a paint correction and re-coating. While Jason may have been bummed that both coatings polished off quite easily in the bonus footage, I'd consider that a plus. I'd hate to have to be too aggressive with compounds just to remove a previous coating. Gentlest test spot that produces the desired result wins.
Some observations... 1. The Graphene coating seems to have a slightly deeper lustre. 2. The Ceramic coating seems to have slightly better hydrophobic properties. 3. Get a better stand with lockable wheels on it so you don't have to drag it across the floor. Overall a great in-depth review.
I work for Artdeshine who manufacture SPS Graphene and Artdeshine Nano Graphene Coating. Many levels of this are true, but there are many generalisations as well and it isn't fair to speak of the entire industry when we are looking a a few manufacturers. 100% graphene is a buzz word and is being used by companies to generate hype around their new products and some of these products offer minimal benefits over traditional SIO2 coatings, but it's not fair to the rest of the industry who actually have good products with graphene that DO provide real benefits to customers. If people want to talk chemistry that's great and offers a level of insight, but EVERYONE remember the best test you'll ever see is side by side testing of coatings, and from that we've deduced that our coating outperforms major brand ceramic coatings. So take everything you see with a grain of salt, just because on chemist or a few groups don't know how to work with graphene doesn't mean the entire sector are in the same ball game.
Just finished in mid September applying Gtechniq Crystal Serum Light and topped it with C2v3 not EXO . I know living in Toronto Canada that this is at best a 2 year real world coating . I will be maintaining the coating with toppers and proper washing techniques but at the 2 year mark , September 2022 i will have to decide between ARTDESHINE METAL OXIDE , ADAMS GRAPHENE COATING, OR OWNERS PRIDE CERAMIC COATING.
Fantastic video. Thanks. I'm a DiY detailer just taking care of my dozen or so vehicles but since 2000 my company in Poland has been engaged in nano science primarily conductive materials for microelectronics (silver, copper, gold, Ti, etc.) and you caught my eye with the graphene (which was super over hyped in conductive materials ... conducts really well in 1 axis and absolutely dead in the other so molecular alignment was essential and expensive since the material doesn't auto assimilate bonds). You've got to understand that nanometer is just "scale" which is equal to 1000 microns ... the material Si, Ti, graphene, ceramics, etc can be any size from gobs measure in millimeters to microscopic/atomic sized particles measured in nanometers.
Nice to see you talking with the maker of Dr. Beasley's. Not sure why you don't hear a lot of people using or talking about Dr. Beasley's I used there 1201 on my wife's car and it is still working great after a year. Garage kept but daily driven.
Appreciate the effort and scientific content that went into the video. I wish more manufacturers offered actual chemistry and testing data rather than buzz words
Thing is dr B’s chemist was only talking about adding pure graphene into coatings. When ask what a oxide is he did not really get into it. We know graphene oxides are used in these coatings .. wonder if that would change things for Dr B’s if he went that route?
He didn’t get into it because he probably doesn’t know how to reduce the graphene into an oxide to add to the solution. Studied it for 6 years and he only did very few tests on it? It would have been more informative to ask a research student in a chem lab that’s studying graphene and it’s oxides. He also said he’s been trying to get the one atom thick coating that is something that would extremely difficult to do by hand.
I'm with you on this. Everyone thinks this dude was incredibly knowledgeable but Im sitting here thinking... Im not a chemist and I know that they arent putting Graphene powder into the coating. It's Reduced Graphene Oxide. I didn't see everyone freak out and discredit CarPro when they came out with a TiO2 (titanium oxide) coating.
I bought an Ethos graphene and an Adams graphene for 3 cars to compare. One white, one black and one a goldish/tan (chevy suv). So far I've done the goldish/tan with the adams and it really turned out nice. I only used 1/2 the bottle on it with 1/2 being two layer and all glass done also. We just did a road trip and vacation to the mountains. The bugs, dirt and tree sap came righ off of the graphene coat. Beading is phenominal. It had Cquartz UK 2.0 and at 3 years it was completely gone. Not unexpected for an ungaraged Arizona car that's rarely washed. Next will be the white with what's left of the Adams. I saved the Ethos for my Audi. Another detailer's site talked with a major car care formulater and he said the graphene helps to mask the hydroxyl goup of the SiO2 that water sticks to creating water spots. From what I've seen, beading on Adams graphene is much better than CQuartz UK. Something Beasleys said he never reviewed.
I’m a student taking biomedicine and I love this. I would love to chat with tim about the chemistry of this. If Jim sees this, can he answer some of my questions on the chemistry of this? So with a polysilizane for traditional theromosetting, the aging process after it starts to adhere is due to ammonia reacting, creating R3si-NH2 (R being something that IDK because I’m not too sure on what can form the best adhesion). Is that what is used in ceramics as well? Because I would assume it would require ammonia in it which isn’t that present the smell of some ceramics. Is inorganic silizane ( H2Si-NH) a useful compound? I hypothesize this is not a strong enough compound because upon contact with water, the water will try to stick to the h2SI due to cohesion (the oxygen atom being attracted to the negatively charged SI, but also the H). I’d really like to speak to Jim and get to know different properties of chemical compounds with different structures, differing functional groups and the effects in a compound in the real world. For now I’m just learning the basics, but I sure would love to learn about it. I think it’s really cool
Thanks for a great video, I particularly liked Jim from Dr Beazley, he was honest, coherent and owned up to his own limitations; yes he could have been clearer on the strength of graphene vs steel but why exactly do you need something that is stronger than steel, wear resistance, corrosion resistance or something else? I got very nervous when you started with the Hydrochloric acid, bare arms and shorts for heavens sake! Spraying all sorts of chemicals with no mask on surely can't be the best thing for your health.
if you just have a jumble of graphene molecules thats basically graphite right? Although graphite is stacked sheets of graphene. Maybe having a riprap of single-molecule-thick sheets has some additional effect..
In my personal experience the graphene coating was easier to apply than ceramic coating and its less fussy also shine is better with graphene but that was my experience.
Ethos is okay so far. This is my first time using ceramic coating, I don't have another experience to judge it against. Application was very easy, I did 2 layers. So far water spots have washed off. I hand wash then blow dry with a leaf blower. The finish looks like a mirror, just like it did after I detailed it almost 2 months ago. 9H hardness is laughable, it's not even 7H. Ethos Graphene Coating is better than wax, it's better than using nothing. I do spray the car with quick detailer after its dry.
Great video, I am doing a test on my personal vehicle with SPS graphene vs Cquartz vs CSL. It is a bit unfair test since its pro vs consumer but its what I had access to at the time. Enjoyed the inclusion of Ethos and Dr. Beasley, I like seeing both sides of the story but in the end... The results are what we are after.
The guys at Detail Ease South Africa combined the Ceramic and Graphene all in one as just as they have done the Decon with wheel cleaner ,tar and break buster all on one and it works perfectly
The reason it failed the oil test wasn't that it removed the coatings, it just covered over them. If you wash it again really well it should return back to normal.
Well, since the ceramic coating proves to be "much slicker", one should be able to expect better shedding of water (and possibly other contamination). If it also lasts as long as graphene coating, it can be considered the superior product, I would say. I would happily apply it a bit sooner again.
Well not sure what happened in your test. My wife drives a black dodge charger had been doing ceramic coating. Had water spot problems but with the ceramic but since i switched to graphene her car doesn't seem as hot and water spotting has been night and day. So idk what happened maybe you got a bad batch from ethos. I used adams graphene coating so idk if they are that much different.
super props going for and PUTTING out the truth. Speaks volumes of your business and character. Too many subjects sensor material because it is revealing. Not here. Might pick up beasleys products too, that guy keeps it real.
Moral of the video, don't waste your money on the Buzz word of Graphene as it is no better than a decent Ceramic. The tell for me was how much slicker the ceramic was when taking the gloss tests. I did my F150 with CquartzUK 3.0 September 2018 and other than regular washes and an occasional wipe with Reload, it is still slick to the touch. Great video, learned a lot, and also have been looking for a decent buffing setup for my DA as I have a very messed up CC to correct on a car I painted years ago that has sat in the garage with barn cats jumping on it. I made a huge mistake and blended flex with the clear and it never truly hardens. If I can get the gloss back then I will lay somce quartz on it to see if it holds up better before I go through the process of reclearing it.
I never heard anything about graphene until yesterday at Walmart. I mean you see all the crazy stuff, and you never know what they are selling. But I bought and used Black Magic Intense Graphene on my Black Acura TL today as a lubricant for a CLAY BAR.. And I was amazed at how good it came out.. And I have used the Meguiar's Ceramic hybrid wax a few times. And I think this Graphene gave me a more WOW factor but I also got it real smooth with the Claybar too.. So it may not be a fair comparison.. But I think the Black Magic Graphene made the color look blacker, deeper, and it seems more "greasy" if that makes sense.. Which is great for a Black car. It just makes the color deeper. I dont know if that was from the graphene or just the Black Magic solution itself. But I think this graphene product fills in imperfections better. Great Shine!! Trying to keep my old car New!
Helps if you apply a product correctly, Ethos clearly says to wait an hour to apply a second coat. "When layering one hour minimum is required between coats.". This invalidates your tests in my view.
That was very interesting indeed. I did invest the time to watch the complete video because I’ve ordered a new C-8. I want to protect my investment. The C-7 was CeramicPro coated and I was pleased with the result after 7 years. Of course, I’ve never tried to destroy the finish like you did. I suspect I’ll stick to CeramicPro. Thank you for the excellent video. Cheers!
Thank you for this VERY thorough review, research, and testing. GREAT stuff. And I agree, it's best to test products ourselves. I try and do so myself, as my environment (Southern California) is much different than yours, or others out there testing products. Thanks Jason
Never in a million years would I have imagined sitting through an hour video of product testing for an auto coating material. This is the most fascinating, comprehensive, understandable, and unbiased product test I've ever seen. Jason, you've done an outstanding job. I am truly impressed. Wished you lived and worked in the Miami area.
There is a twenty minute video on washing microfibre cloths somewhere. Brilliant, like this.
PS, I got the Mrs to get liquid detergent for the washing machine and not powder because of that video.
Don't tell her why though.
Fantastic job thank you so very much
Same here.
I learned a lot from that video
Project Farm is another great source.
If I've learned anything from this video, it's that the best protection for your vehicles bodywork is purple tape.
Bruh!! they do make vinyl..like that stuff your girl put's on her nail's...
@@Jibs-HappyDesigns-990 That was hilarious!!
or don't drive the vehicles.
LMAO!!!
@@papagen00 Maximum Garage Isolation!
I wish every mechanic, store, shit I buy, other services, doctors, etc was as honest, transparent, thorough, curious and as detailed as this guy. What an amazing video
This reminds me more of the investigative journalism stories that used to exist years (decades) ago.
How refreshing to see this kind of reporting hasn't been lost like so much else.
Now coat half of a car in Graphene, and the other half in CSL. Live with it for 6-12 months, and report back monthly. This is the only real way to test a coating in my opinion. From my hands on experience with CSL that slickness you love will diminish quickly, as well as the crazy hydrophobicity unless topped with EXO. This is a great starting point, but I think it needs to be expanded and tested further for a true conclusion.
Agree!
I have my vehicle with one side Avalon king and the other side Adam’s graphene. It has been over a year. Both are doing well but I think graphene is not as slick to me. I don’t think graphene makes much of a difference from what I experienced so far talking to other retailers and my own experience.
@EclisseDetailing so u think the avalon king ceramic coating is better than the Adam's graphene ceramic coating?
Jim is so fun to listen to when he is talking chemistry. Thanks for digging into this. Someone needed to do it! Well done Jason.
I appreciated what Jason did here. He put the industry first, as a whole, over individual profits. The responses from the various Graphene coating companies is very telling of what is going on with these underdeveloped products. He saved me from buying $500 in coatings for my business that truly hasn't been properly vetted or developed.
Jim is a straight up, down to earth, intelligent dude. Thanks for the support Matt.
Appreciate CAP for making this vid on graphene! After watching the entire vid, I’d have to agree with the chemist from Dr Beasley, this is more marketing hype than an actual new product that is superior to ceramic coatings. I also take it that CAP came to the same conclusion as they mentioned in the description that they no longer carry Ethos Graphene!!
No need to go down that rabbit hole now...
Agreed. Great video.
Jason, after watching all six different videos by the UA-cam superstars on the 303 graphenes, and so many others about the newest product in ceramics, the graphene, I think Ethos represents all of them in your example. My take is that your video has far surpassed all the others in its depth, scope, and conclusions. From what I can gather over the last couple of months and more specifically the last two weeks, Graphene is more of a new "Buzz" word than an actual new product that covers your car in graphene for protection. It is more of a different recipe within the ceramic world. AMMO NYC explains it better than anyone I have read or watched. Your test validates exactly what he explained on his charts, graphs, and chemical analysis. After everything has been said and done, my conclusion is that the "new" ceramic we are now calling "Graphene" are a little easier to apply than some of the other ceramics, but when it comes to all the other attributes, gloss, protection, water beading, water spot issues, and durability, well, they seem very similar indeed. The greatest video I have seen in a long time and I would love to see you and AMMO NYC join in producing a video. Thank you so much.
Can you link the video or article where AMMO NYC talks about graphene? I can't seem to find it.
@@randylee7557 look up his Reflex Pro video, he talks about it a few minutes in
I would ad that the mfr Adams graphene may have other properties that make it excel even though graphene itself may be a buzzword. In tests I saw (on UA-cam, admittedly) the durability and persistence of Adams was very easy to witness.
That chemist from Dr. Beasleys impresses me. You can tell he's honest to a T and doesn't have that corporate salesman type of talk. I'm definitely going to look into their products
(With a Southern Belle charm) Amen! ;)
Another good stuff.
I always think that the advancement of technology is getting more and more remarkable rapidly.
In the near future, ceramic coatings may get the feature of bulletproof.
The chemist seems knowledgeable, however there also seems to be a small hint of bias in his explanations, since he’s got a coating as well.
I'm just going 2 drink the whole sweet bottle...
He's a salesman, to my mind; he could have said no it's not going to stop a bullet ... giggle ...
I use graphene ceramic coating on all of my clients vehicles and I’ve found out it that it keeps it’s water heading for years. I had a previous ceramic coating on my personal vehicle and i polished again and applied the graphene coating and it goes on very easy, it wipes off easy and so far after a year it looks like the first day that I put it on
How has your graphene coatings held up? Your message was 3 years ago so id be interested to hear your opinion on graphene now that a lot of time has passed...i personally love the 303 nano graphene spray...it applies so easy, doesn't require a ton of orep work and can easily be reapplied as needed. Do uou orefer a specific product?
This is one of the best videos on the internet when it comes to facts, knowledge, and just common sense when it comes to Graphene. I could listen to Jim explain things all day long
Our industry needs more of this level of education. We as pros are not immune to the marketing buzz words (in fact, most of us probably use them, i.e. "hand wash" etc.) Thanks CAP for this video! I'm always looking for the best for my customers and feel that I stick my neck out hoping these products live up to the claims. At the end of the day, I'm the one that the customer will hold responsible. Thanks again.
Nice to know there are companies out there that still strives to do the best work possible and cares about their customers. Where are u located bro. I'm an Birds fan so you must be Philly/ South Jersey
THIS kinda content is what my brain NEEDS, regardless of subject matter. I want to get the deep dive to know why and how a product works.
Correction 6:24 Ethos recommends waiting 1 hour before applying second layer
Ethos Car Care does this mean it was an unfair test of the product?
Jay G not at all, it just means it’s one layer vs one layer.
Chicago Auto Pros I totally agree but the test was manufacturer recommendation, which is two for Ethos
@@ChicagoAutoPros who take the best ?
If graphene exhibits certain magical properties only when it is one atom thick, why would anyone recommend putting on 2 applications?
46:18 so basically hes saying the guy being interviewed before him was lying? 😮
I like that the wait time or cure time for gradine is much quicker. I don’t have time to wait for a week for a product to cure before it gets wet
Hey Bud! As a professional looking into these products, I cannot stress the gratitude to you for doing this video!
Thanks !!
You’re welcome!
Absolutely love it, thank you for taking the time to put together such a comprehensive review! I learned a ton and I think you had the right guys for the discussion.
The graphene can be stronger than steel and kevlar and still not be bulletproof. A single atom layer of steel or kevlar is not bulletproof either. You need a good thickness of those materials that are millions and millions of atoms thick.
Everything about graphene is dependent on you having it in one big sheet . Not a little pieces.
I appriciate the investigation format of this video. This is one of the biggest questions in the industry right now and there are no clear answers. All this investigation and info is greatly appriciated. Thank you.
Jason, a message from a real coatings chemist with a PhD: Hydrofluoric Acid of any strength is potentially lethal if splashed on your skin. I would not do what you did unless I was wearing a specialist chemical protection suit. Bare arms and exam gloves are a trip to your local chemical burns unit. Always have calcium gluconate cream to hand if you must use HF.
For real… That’s what street bombers use to etch tags on windows cause it just eats away at the glass leaving a permanent cloudy surface behind. But it’s well known that it’s VERY dangerous to deal with…if you accidentally spill some on your hand or arm it’s gonna melt away the flesh instantly. It’s literally the acid you think of when you see monster movies where they dissolve bodies in barrels of acid lol
Hydroflouric acid does NOT burn skin silly. It is odorless and looks like water and goes through the skin and starts eating the calcium in your bones. You are thinking of hydrochloric acid maybe.
As a car guy I want to thank you for the videos that you make. My detail game, which didn't exist until I started watching your channel and Pan the Organizer, will never be the same. As a chemist, I have a couple issues with your episode. I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned these yet (forgive me, but I didn't read all 250 comments); however, to measure the temperature resistance of the coating you would need to measure the temperature from the bottom of the hood. Preliminarily, I would suggest that the higher temperature of the graphene side is actually encouraging. It's tells you that there is more energy being repelled on the graphene side than on the ceramic side. This should occur whether the uninterrupted layer is intact or not because the conductive properties are inherit to the particle (as far as I've read anyway) if connected to another particle or not. In other words, it should offer the heat displacement as long as the suspended particles are present, random or latticed. Secondly, when you were using chemicals at the end you used Hydrochloric Acid, not Hydrofluoric Acid... Or you would be dead... For reference look up the SDS on Hydrofluoric Acid. It's really nasty stuff. I helped stabilize a coworker who had concentrated HF splashed on her neck. I'll spare you the details, but even now I can remember the scene as if it just happened. So, HCl, not HF. Otherwise, keep up the good work!
Yeah, HF is really nasty. And I still can't find any chemical resistant sprayer able to withstand it.
@@arapaimagold8088 honestly, you're better off not using it unless absolutely need to. What are you using HF for?
@@arapaimagold8088 I'm sure there's an alternative... That is unless you're doing compliance radiochemistry like my coworker was. 😉
Mostly for cleaning mineral crust around door jamb and emblems. The minerals in my country is nasty. There's no single deposit remover made for car detailing able to cut through it. And I already tried most of it, from Optimum HDR to Modesta M5 Flame. Anyone who use it should be a higly trained professional, and remember not even nitrile gloves able to withstand it.
@@arapaimagold8088 let me think about it a little and reply once I come up with an idea. Using HF for car detailing seems... Well... Just not worth it. That being said, there has to be a solution (pun intended 😁) to this problem. One that doesn't require you to handle an acid that eats the calcium from your bones when soaked in through your skin. Okay, so what minerals and metals are giving you problems. The more exact you are the better. Also, how do you keep it from eating the aluminum and/or whatever other metal it's being sprayed on? How are you neutralizing it?
As a newer detailer I appreciate the testing and the content on your channel... saves my business a ton of time and money. Money I'll probably spend at one of your classes/courses.
TL DR: "Graphene coatings" are not graphene coatings. They're ceramic coatings with graphene/graphite additive.
So what's the difference?
@@rhodesianwojak2095 watch the video.
Rhodesian Wojak nothing. It’s a marketing gimmick
They're using the same carrier, only MSDS will be able to tell if there's any silicon dioxide or polysiloxane in it.
Hate to break it to you, but ceramic coatings aren't ceramic coatings. They're coatings with ceramic additive.
To clarify, because I don't think Beasley property answered your question about graphene in relation to the strength. The notion that graphene is 200x stronger than steel is ONLY true when you talk about a ONE ATOM thick layer, which is how graphene lays out, compared to one atom thick of steel. Steel, like "bullet proof glass," is not actually bullet proof until they reach a certain thickness.
Furthermore, the "strength" of graphene is based on a linear force test, since graphene itself is 1 layer thick, and means that pulling it apart from both ends (effectively) makes it the strongest. But the question then becomes, how then does that play a role in a coating when the formula obviously contains 98%+ NON-graphene material. Still waiting on that answer.
The answer is that he has not seen any benefit of adding Graphene into a coating because it’s not creating the lattice structure needed to create the “barrier” layer.
Maze to confusion But we don’t know from what. I have been asking this question since graphene was first toted. Nobody has given even a basic explanation for HOW the graphene itself causes that. It *could* be helping, but we don’t know if it is something else in the formula.
Great point. You would still poke your finger through 200x atoms width of steel.
The notion of producing that structural chicken wire layer has yet to be explained.
We know Graphene as a product entity has great potential, adding it as a ratio does not in itself improve strength..or function.
Graphene is being explored in the bike industry for thinner thus lighter frames. But, they have difficulty of forming the material in whatever process they have available. I can imagine graphene can only be added for coating a surface in the smallest amount that it has no advantage over a ceramic.
Jason I don’t know about the chemistry nor do I care. I’m just like you I just want to know what works the very best for my customers but with that said Adam’s Graphene Coating IMO is by far the most durable long lasting coating I’ve ever seen & I’ve been applying these for 6 years now. I put it on my car and go through the tunnel wash (purposely) daily for 1 1/2 years now and I don’t have a single scratch & it’s as durable as day 1. This is in harsh N Michigan environment also. It’s absolutely amazing. No water spots also!! I’m so impressed with it!
CSL + EXO is where it's at. I think of CSL great for durability with EXO boosting the water behavior.
Thank you for taking the time to compare these 2 coatings and really put them to the test. Well done!
You can't accurately measure the surface temperature of the hood with a infrared thermometer without knowing the emissivity of the coating. The one used in the video isn't adjustable either. Best to use a thermocouple fastened to the bottom of the hood below each coating. It's unlikely that there'd be a measurable difference however given that they're both on the same metallic substrate. The middle of the hood itself would transmit heat between the hotter side and the cooler side. I better test would be to use to separate hoods (1 per treatment).
Earned my respect cause you didn't Shill the NEW hype product and did a legit comparison, Need more of this from the Industry cause its full of HYPE *cough* BS *cough* products.
I'm more impressed with that tape holding up then both the coatings 😅
I had the same thought as I watched this.
Same here. That tape is impressive
Exactly what I came to say. That tape needs to be sent off to Project Farm for testing.
3M Automotive painters tape for curved surfaces.
It’s good stuff.
I'm going to try the tape as a full PPF wrap! (No not really! 😉🤣)
Thanks, great work and keeping strictly to the scientific process.
I put the ethos graphene matrix on about three months ago on my tundra. It was the first coating I ever applied. What I can say about it is amazing. It was easy to apply, great gloss and slickness but again this is my first coating. Great video though love to see honest educated videos! Keep it up Jason
I became a Graphene "fan" immediately upon hearing about it. I have been so excited about the MANY applications and developments, and THESE interviews with Jim and Tim are among the most helpful for me out of a couple of hundred videos!!
Ethos seems kinda worried. Everything will be tested it's just a given. Owner doesn't want drama?? Well it's the detail world it's very competitive. Jason you are badass!!
The Ethos owner is a drama catalyst
One of my new favorite Detailing videos. Full of knowledge and passion. I love science too! Thanks so much! From Dream Auto Detailing and Services LLC in Columbia md
I am currently testing ethos on my 2020 Corvette C8. I just put out a video on the full detail of it and using ethos for the coating. I drive my Vette a lot so it will be a bit more of a real world test in terms of durability. I will also also be applying ethos on my daily driver detail van that sits outside and see how it holds up. More videos to come on that on my detailing channel for anyone who may be interested in my results of it.
Have you researched adama graphene?
Tim Coats sounds like the kind of guy that doesn't want to know the details of the chemistry from his suppliers, so he doesn't have to outright lie to people when it doesn't do anything different. Based on the two of them talking about their products, I trust Jim Lafeber way more. It also looked like his product underperformed the Gtehcniq slightly.
Either way, great video. Appreciate the work you put into this, it's the kind of approach I would take if I was in your shoes.
He said that the Kevlar reference wasn't put there to mislead. But that's precisely the reason it was used, to plant that seed.
I cant beleive I actually watched this all the way to the end without fast forwarding, I want to use one of them in my boat, and for the price I'll stick with the ceramic, thanks again great video
Thanks for the video. It very clearly demonstrated that overall there is little difference between graphene and ceramic coatings. And the little difference there is, seems to be in favor of ceramic. But the most important metric is the price to performance ratio. And Gtehcniq Crystal Serum Light beat out Ethos Graphene with ease.
Winner, the blue tape, through thick and thin, power washer, it wasn’t removed?
1:01:31
Would be nice to see Adam’s graphene coating tested. I used it on my cars recently and love it but the time will show more. Also I used avalonking ceramic coating on my tv, monitors etc, great results. Now I will compare these two side by side on my spare car door.
I tried Crystal Serum Light and Avalonking Armor Shield both, and the durability from Armor Shield seems better to me. The car with Crystal Serum Light on it is starting to slowly fade, but not the Armor Shield IX car. Let me know your results
Avalonking has a great reputation and so far my coated tv, monitors and few other items look amazing after 2 months so far. I will have to test it on car paint next to Adam’s graphene coating as I mentioned before, long term.
been 2 years now and whats ur opinion on graphene coating long term?
@@samabhinnn The graphene coating seems stronger on our half license plate cover compared to the other half with ceramic coating. Its a real life test, also on one of my cars being outside all year round: There are water spots still, little hard to remove. Overall I’m happier than waxing the cars. Paint still needs protection and care no matter what coating we use, no magic bullet;)
I'm obviously late seeing this video, but woww it was excellent! This video should be a must watch for anyone getting into the detail business or even those that have been going it for years.
I have come to the conclusion that I should apply blue tape to my vehicle in order to protect it. Lol Awesome video, you really do have an analytical mindset when it comes to evaluating products and I appreciate the time you took to talk to experts from the world of coatings.
Paint protection film buddy, just like a clear wrap. Best protection out there period
Thanks Jason for taking the time to conduct this unbiased review. I'll tell you what, the best thing about the video is the new Rupes line ;). I love CSL and can't wait to give Ethos's Grapehne matrix a spin. One thing not mentioned often is that Ceramic coatings aren't going to get much better and that Graphene coatings (however they are made) are arguably nearly as good as the Ceramic that have been tested/proven with R & D over the years. Graphene is still in its infancy and overtime, I believe that it'll be better than Ceramic coatings, but it's not there yet.
Dylan Riggs I agree 100%
@@ChicagoAutoPros what would you recommend for a matte black paint?
So, I take it a ceramic coating is still the way to go. Just real ,honest , straight forward info. Great video!
The BEST video yet... Keep up the great work... Thanks for the honest review!
I have been waiting for someone to explain graphene coating for some time, much appreciated guys great video
Adam's UV Graphene Ceramic Coating is a clear, nanocrystalline coating that protects your vehicle from weather, chemicals, and UV rays while repelling water, dirt and other contaminants. Providing 9H hardness, 7+ years of protection even in the harshest conditions.
I've been detailing just short of 12 years. Been using graphene the last couple years and absolutely love it thus far.
"I got out of the coating industry drama but I decided to create a new coating" LOL okay guy.
Rock star dude! One of the best You Tube videos I’ve seen on ANYTHING! You really dig in to the tech. Thanks a million - or at least for the cost of my paint job. Cheers
the real mvp is that painters tape
I am not yet half way thru and I was thinking of doing a graphene coating but once he said that once it gets a kink it becomes brittle or fractures I think he said makes me think about how it will do in my climate being in Ottawa Ontario Canada. The second thing I am leary on is the flash time because I dont have a climate controlled garage (or even garage to fit my car with walking space all the way around) and found it hard as the flash time was constantly changing every few minutes being outdoors. Absolutely love this kind of content thanks for all the work that went into this video!
Another test you could do that may be interesting is a thickness test. If one leaves more on the surface it may stand out or stand up better just not sure if it would show up on a paint depth gauge
Amazing how chemical resistant they both are,,,Makes me feel good that if I have a little overspray they won't peel right off. Ethos makes really good products at least from my experience ... It would beinteresting to see Gtechcniq compared to a 50 bottle off of amazon.... Cost vs benefit etc..great info..thankyou for the time spent putting this together
Amazing? They are the same chemcial product one just happens to have graphine included so you buy their product and are charged 30 more for it. Grpahine is snake oil talk. Its impossible to distribute speicifc molecular requirements for the benefits of graphine to be utilized. Whats next aerogel coating?
Been researching to learn more on ceramic coating for my car and saw this greatly put video. Informative yet entertaining at the same time. Subscribed right after the video! 👍🏻
Thanks for taking the time to create this video. Looking forward to the days when Graphene coatings can protect against door dings! For now I'll continue to park in BFE!
Congratulations for being at a point in your business where vendors need to call you when they find out your testing there products.
Interesting video.
Btw, Graphene is going to be massive in battery technology. Lighter, lower temps and twice the capacity for the same size battery
👆 This! 👆
Just its ability to disperse heat alone is incredibly promising. Not only a lighter more powerful battery, but a safer and more durable battery that can be pushed much harder with a much longer life cycle and greatly reduced charge times.
It has the potential to finally bridge that practical performance gap that still exists between gas and electric and corded and cordless tools.
Meh I’ve had many graphene lithium polymer batteries…nothing to write home about.
Awesome video. With such a close comparison outcome the logical choice for me would be to purchase the one that has the best reputation, proven longevity and cost. Kinda like the old saying goes " if its not broken don't fix it" Ive had my vehicles ceramic coated with great results. Just purchased a new truck and thought id do some research on new and maybe improved products. From what I gathered there is no reason for me to switch. Thanks for very informative video.
I know this is a 1.5+-year-old video and many things have changed in that time (or has it?) Can you possibly do an update on Graphene coatings today in 2022? THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO! Great information! Subscribed and Notified for all new ones!
A friend had his 2019 ZL1 1LE Camaro done with a graphène coating. The person does many high dollar cars with it & he warrantees is for 5 years. Pretty darn impressive to me.
That was an interesting comparison. My takeaway is that both seem to be good options. I'd need a couple years of actual use and exposure to the harsh conditions we endure here in northern Illinois to decide which is better. Maybe time will tell. When ceramic coatings first came out, the claims were overblown in my opinion. Ceramics are great, and I've had good luck with the one I chose, but you can't just apply a ceramic and expect it to hold up. Booster products help maintain water beading or sheeting properties. After two years of road salt, semi frequent washing, various bird bombs, and brake dust, it's time for a paint correction and re-coating. While Jason may have been bummed that both coatings polished off quite easily in the bonus footage, I'd consider that a plus. I'd hate to have to be too aggressive with compounds just to remove a previous coating. Gentlest test spot that produces the desired result wins.
Some observations...
1. The Graphene coating seems to have a slightly deeper lustre.
2. The Ceramic coating seems to have slightly better hydrophobic properties.
3. Get a better stand with lockable wheels on it so you don't have to drag it across the floor.
Overall a great in-depth review.
Love the phone call, not kiss ass at all, straight to the point, top marks.
This was awesome! Best hour I spent watching UA-cam. Very excited to try this on my Audi
I work for Artdeshine who manufacture SPS Graphene and Artdeshine Nano Graphene Coating. Many levels of this are true, but there are many generalisations as well and it isn't fair to speak of the entire industry when we are looking a a few manufacturers. 100% graphene is a buzz word and is being used by companies to generate hype around their new products and some of these products offer minimal benefits over traditional SIO2 coatings, but it's not fair to the rest of the industry who actually have good products with graphene that DO provide real benefits to customers. If people want to talk chemistry that's great and offers a level of insight, but EVERYONE remember the best test you'll ever see is side by side testing of coatings, and from that we've deduced that our coating outperforms major brand ceramic coatings. So take everything you see with a grain of salt, just because on chemist or a few groups don't know how to work with graphene doesn't mean the entire sector are in the same ball game.
Boom! I agree.
Just finished in mid September applying Gtechniq Crystal Serum Light and topped it with C2v3 not EXO . I know living in Toronto Canada that this is at best a 2 year real world coating . I will be maintaining the coating with toppers and proper washing techniques but at the 2 year mark , September 2022 i will have to decide between ARTDESHINE METAL OXIDE , ADAMS GRAPHENE COATING, OR OWNERS PRIDE CERAMIC COATING.
Fantastic video. Thanks. I'm a DiY detailer just taking care of my dozen or so vehicles but since 2000 my company in Poland has been engaged in nano science primarily conductive materials for microelectronics (silver, copper, gold, Ti, etc.) and you caught my eye with the graphene (which was super over hyped in conductive materials ... conducts really well in 1 axis and absolutely dead in the other so molecular alignment was essential and expensive since the material doesn't auto assimilate bonds). You've got to understand that nanometer is just "scale" which is equal to 1000 microns ... the material Si, Ti, graphene, ceramics, etc can be any size from gobs measure in millimeters to microscopic/atomic sized particles measured in nanometers.
Great video. Thanks you Jason for putting this together.
Nice to see you talking with the maker of Dr. Beasley's. Not sure why you don't hear a lot of people using or talking about Dr. Beasley's I used there 1201 on my wife's car and it is still working great after a year. Garage kept but daily driven.
Appreciate the effort and scientific content that went into the video. I wish more manufacturers offered actual chemistry and testing data rather than buzz words
Very nice. Watching you from Goiania city, Brazil.
Thing is dr B’s chemist was only talking about adding pure graphene into coatings. When ask what a oxide is he did not really get into it. We know graphene oxides are used in these coatings .. wonder if that would change things for Dr B’s if he went that route?
He didn’t get into it because he probably doesn’t know how to reduce the graphene into an oxide to add to the solution. Studied it for 6 years and he only did very few tests on it? It would have been more informative to ask a research student in a chem lab that’s studying graphene and it’s oxides. He also said he’s been trying to get the one atom thick coating that is something that would extremely difficult to do by hand.
I'm with you on this. Everyone thinks this dude was incredibly knowledgeable but Im sitting here thinking... Im not a chemist and I know that they arent putting Graphene powder into the coating. It's Reduced Graphene Oxide. I didn't see everyone freak out and discredit CarPro when they came out with a TiO2 (titanium oxide) coating.
I bought an Ethos graphene and an Adams graphene for 3 cars to compare. One white, one black and one a goldish/tan (chevy suv). So far I've done the goldish/tan with the adams and it really turned out nice. I only used 1/2 the bottle on it with 1/2 being two layer and all glass done also. We just did a road trip and vacation to the mountains. The bugs, dirt and tree sap came righ off of the graphene coat. Beading is phenominal. It had Cquartz UK 2.0 and at 3 years it was completely gone. Not unexpected for an ungaraged Arizona car that's rarely washed. Next will be the white with what's left of the Adams. I saved the Ethos for my Audi.
Another detailer's site talked with a major car care formulater and he said the graphene helps to mask the hydroxyl goup of the SiO2 that water sticks to creating water spots. From what I've seen, beading on Adams graphene is much better than CQuartz UK. Something Beasleys said he never reviewed.
I’m a student taking biomedicine and I love this. I would love to chat with tim about the chemistry of this. If Jim sees this, can he answer some of my questions on the chemistry of this?
So with a polysilizane for traditional theromosetting, the aging process after it starts to adhere is due to ammonia reacting, creating R3si-NH2 (R being something that IDK because I’m not too sure on what can form the best adhesion). Is that what is used in ceramics as well? Because I would assume it would require ammonia in it which isn’t that present the smell of some ceramics. Is inorganic silizane ( H2Si-NH) a useful compound? I hypothesize this is not a strong enough compound because upon contact with water, the water will try to stick to the h2SI due to cohesion (the oxygen atom being attracted to the negatively charged SI, but also the H).
I’d really like to speak to Jim and get to know different properties of chemical compounds with different structures, differing functional groups and the effects in a compound in the real world. For now I’m just learning the basics, but I sure would love to learn about it. I think it’s really cool
Damn bro you are invested lol
Impressive nonetheless.
Good video I ran across when looking up ceramic coatings! Enjoyed his personality!
Thanks for a great video, I particularly liked Jim from Dr Beazley, he was honest, coherent and owned up to his own limitations; yes he could have been clearer on the strength of graphene vs steel but why exactly do you need something that is stronger than steel, wear resistance, corrosion resistance or something else? I got very nervous when you started with the Hydrochloric acid, bare arms and shorts for heavens sake! Spraying all sorts of chemicals with no mask on surely can't be the best thing for your health.
if you just have a jumble of graphene molecules thats basically graphite right? Although graphite is stacked sheets of graphene. Maybe having a riprap of single-molecule-thick sheets has some additional effect..
In my personal experience the graphene coating was easier to apply than ceramic coating and its less fussy also shine is better with graphene but that was my experience.
Ethos is okay so far. This is my first time using ceramic coating, I don't have another experience to judge it against. Application was very easy, I did 2 layers. So far water spots have washed off. I hand wash then blow dry with a leaf blower. The finish looks like a mirror, just like it did after I detailed it almost 2 months ago. 9H hardness is laughable, it's not even 7H. Ethos Graphene Coating is better than wax, it's better than using nothing. I do spray the car with quick detailer after its dry.
Great video, I am doing a test on my personal vehicle with SPS graphene vs Cquartz vs CSL. It is a bit unfair test since its pro vs consumer but its what I had access to at the time. Enjoyed the inclusion of Ethos and Dr. Beasley, I like seeing both sides of the story but in the end... The results are what we are after.
Let me know what you come up with! I am a SPS installer and Love it!
What was the winner? CSL?
@@skmg2888 CSL by itself has failed already. july is 1 year mark. cquk 3.0. sps. csl+exo cquk+gliss are all still beading
The guys at Detail Ease South Africa combined the Ceramic and Graphene all in one as just as they have done the Decon with wheel cleaner ,tar and break buster all on one and it works perfectly
Very thorough and informative. You have a new subscriber here
Thanks for taking the time to demonstrate the differences between the two products.......
The reason it failed the oil test wasn't that it removed the coatings, it just covered over them. If you wash it again really well it should return back to normal.
I use graphene audio interconnect cables for its sound characteristics.
It’s also I used to make some speaker cones for it light and stiff properties.
How about swirl prevention when improper washing and such.
This is the big question I have as well hopefully can get some input.
Excellent research! I was not expecting this level of commitment in a product review.
Would be nice to see a comparison of the Ethos Graphene Coating and the Adams Polishes Graphene Coating.
I would also add Artdeshine (SPS) Graphene Nano
Well, since the ceramic coating proves to be "much slicker", one should be able to expect better shedding of water (and possibly other contamination). If it also lasts as long as graphene coating, it can be considered the superior product, I would say. I would happily apply it a bit sooner again.
Well not sure what happened in your test. My wife drives a black dodge charger had been doing ceramic coating. Had water spot problems but with the ceramic but since i switched to graphene her car doesn't seem as hot and water spotting has been night and day. So idk what happened maybe you got a bad batch from ethos. I used adams graphene coating so idk if they are that much different.
super props going for and PUTTING out the truth. Speaks volumes of your business and character. Too many subjects sensor material because it is revealing. Not here. Might pick up beasleys products too, that guy keeps it real.
Absolutely great information and great testing at the end! I appreciate all your hard work on this Jason!
Moral of the video, don't waste your money on the Buzz word of Graphene as it is no better than a decent Ceramic. The tell for me was how much slicker the ceramic was when taking the gloss tests. I did my F150 with CquartzUK 3.0 September 2018 and other than regular washes and an occasional wipe with Reload, it is still slick to the touch. Great video, learned a lot, and also have been looking for a decent buffing setup for my DA as I have a very messed up CC to correct on a car I painted years ago that has sat in the garage with barn cats jumping on it. I made a huge mistake and blended flex with the clear and it never truly hardens. If I can get the gloss back then I will lay somce quartz on it to see if it holds up better before I go through the process of reclearing it.
Your conclusion is disappointing, would have been good to spend more time on outcome, you glossed over who clear winner was.
Awesome content! Keep these long in depth boys coming and keep I interviewing supplier experts!
1:00:57 "I threw every single chemical that we have in the shop at it". Sooo you don't have any brake fluid sitting around?
I never heard anything about graphene until yesterday at Walmart. I mean you see all the crazy stuff, and you never know what they are selling. But I bought and used Black Magic Intense Graphene on my Black Acura TL today as a lubricant for a CLAY BAR.. And I was amazed at how good it came out.. And I have used the Meguiar's Ceramic hybrid wax a few times. And I think this Graphene gave me a more WOW factor but I also got it real smooth with the Claybar too.. So it may not be a fair comparison.. But I think the Black Magic Graphene made the color look blacker, deeper, and it seems more "greasy" if that makes sense.. Which is great for a Black car. It just makes the color deeper. I dont know if that was from the graphene or just the Black Magic solution itself. But I think this graphene product fills in imperfections better. Great Shine!! Trying to keep my old car New!
Helps if you apply a product correctly, Ethos clearly says to wait an hour to apply a second coat. "When layering one hour minimum is required between coats.". This invalidates your tests in my view.
You are correct. I did that wrong, but there is still one layer of coating and Tim states that a second layer is optional.
Honestly, any coating you dont IR cure between coats you arent building up any extra layers
That was very interesting indeed. I did invest the time to watch the complete video because I’ve ordered a new C-8. I want to protect my investment. The C-7 was CeramicPro coated and I was pleased with the result after 7 years. Of course, I’ve never tried to destroy the finish like you did. I suspect I’ll stick to CeramicPro. Thank you for the excellent video. Cheers!
Thank you for this VERY thorough review, research, and testing. GREAT stuff. And I agree, it's best to test products ourselves. I try and do so myself, as my environment (Southern California) is much different than yours, or others out there testing products. Thanks Jason
And here I am still waiting for my ethos test bottle 😂. Sorry I couldn’t resist. Seeing Jim come in was cool.
@@MikeGDetailing haha. Don't wait. I got some other coatings we can try out.
One of the best and informative videos I've seen. Congratulations on your attention to detail and integrity.