Can You Beat Warcraft 2 as Orcs Deathless?
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
- Admiral Iddy here after successfully completing humans to see if the WAAAGH can have no casualties. A bit more grindy of a campaign but lets find out!
Follow me on twitch.tv/admiral_iddy to hang out most friday nights as we do other challenge runs or casual games.
0:00 Intro
1:57 Level 1
2:17 Level 2
2:36 Level 3
2:50 Level 4
3:11 Level 5
3:54 Level 6
4:29 Level 7
5:03 Level 8
7:35 Level 9
8:33 Level 10
10:50 Level 11
12:53 Level 12
15:34 Level 13
1702: Finale - Ігри
If memory serves me right, Grant had a clause for certain missions that could not be completed without losses (I think it mostly applied to allies though). I think you should have a clause for the sappers in mission 10 too, where as long as you use as few as you can get away with, it's fine. Just my two cents!
I agree, since it isn't due to something I myself had control over I think it can get a pass :) thanks for commenting!
Yeah, Grant had rules that if deaths were unavoidable (like with the sappers), then they dont count. Gotta bend the rules a bit with challenges like this :D
I agree wholeheartedly.
@@SvendleBerries That being said, he only did that after he tried pretty much EVERYTHING, so the suffering is not optional. See him CALCULATING the final terran mission. (Dont remember if that was deathless or Marines only tho)
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Oh yeah, I remember him trying speedrun strats to try and save units lol And sometimes he was successful. But not always, sadly.
Hey, thanks for a nice run and great taste in memes!
Deathless orc run sounds like a nightmare. You can't heal your units, so eventually you'll be stuck with half your army consisting of ogres with red hp, taking your supply and being useless.
I would probably go with troll berserkers just because of their regeneration ability.
thanks for watching and the comment! It definitely was tougher than humans besides the one lothar mission but my nakey boys did well ahha. Trolls may have regen but just get blown up by everything so fast! Overall blood dragons are the way to go though for sure
death knights can restore their health with death coil. Though they aren't the best tanks.
The expansion campaign is so hard for this game. Loved it.
Interesting tactics, especially the one on how to avoid polymorph!
On a side note, the campaigns themselves are standalone and are not continuations of the other one. In the human campaign, you have do drive the invading orcs back to the dark portal, while in the orc campaign you are, as you said, the invading force pushing the humans to the brink of extinction. Some of the missions are mirrored, as you correctly identified.
GG WP!
I plain forgot the ogre magi have the Runes ability since Bloodlust is the main reason to build them, but wow, Runes really saved the run on mission 11.
As to the sappers in mission 10, I still count this run as complete since it was flat out taken out of your hands and physically impossible to beat otherwise. We can pretend the sappers planted their bombs and went on to retirement in the mountains.
Maybe it's late autumn when wc2 takes place so the northern elven kingdoms are already under snow.
In retrospect, I like the oldschool fantasy style way more then the newer style of WC3 or WoW.
I remember the Kingdom of the Elves being in the snow as a kid, simply because it's further in the north.
15:09 A Spartacus reference? Nice
Something you didnt mention on either WC2 runs regarding Submarines
They can be destroyed without an air unit, Battleships and Juggernauts have the "attack ground" command, and if you can see where the enemy torpedo is coming from (be mindful of their range of 4), you can attack ground and ohko them even with unupgraded ships
You are absolutely right! On casual plays ill utilize this feature if missing a chopper but forgot to mention it, luckily didnt have too many dicey situations with subs. Been watching some competitive war2 matches as well and its always interesting to see what strats and units are used or not used. Thanks for commenting and watching!
you can also have a destroyer shoot at them if you hover a zeppelin/flying machine/eye of kilrogg over it :D
@@Raducu2oo5 but thats the "intended" way to counter them, as the air units detect them.
the tec to remember what you had build as humans would be coordinates and building type in a memory :D like save files do
5:16 i, for one, love the change of seasons there. gives you the feeling that this isn't a blitzkrieg, but a long* war.
*long for video game standards, at the very least.
I also like the graphics changes with the snow and vines growing on the buildings, really great spritework
I swear I heard the same sea and seagull sounds that you've got in your intro when I visited the beach in Leisure Suit Larry Laffer 6, the last time I played it some odd 20 years ago
The mystery was solved! Kings Quest 6 beach screen is where I recorded the birds, you have a good ear!
Warcraft 2 challenge runs, never thought I'd see the day!
The art style and music of that game is such a treat, even if the gameplay is dated. Still, it's at least much more playable than Warcraft 1. It is wild how much improvement was crammed into just over a year.
We go from having to select commands on the side bar before clikcing, only having a max select of 4 units, low resolution sprites, and low quality music... To right clicks being enabled, attack move, 9 unit selection, and good iconic spriteworks and nice clean music.
If I enjoyed the Human campaign in WarCraft. I was neutral to very sad when I took on the Orc campaign as a kid. My heart literally sunk during the Northlands arc of the Orc campaign, the icing on the cake was me becoming very distraught after clearing "The Dead Rise as Quel'Thalas Falls".
Maps alternate through summer - swamp (autumn/spring) - winter. I always thought it was to give an impression of time elapsing and this war actually taking several years.
Warcraft 2 is still the best part of the whole series. The story was so much better than all this strange stuff the put in in WC3. Your words on the intro when you describe the difference between campaigns is also a good example for the in point storytelling. Humans are defending their lands, the orcs are invading them.
Neat videos! I'm really curious to see if you can do beyond the dark portal deathless, as that campaign is a pretty massive difficulty spike in basically every way!
Also, I get what you mean when it comes to the dopamine effect. Its insane how much power a little comment from a random stranger has for us. Just don't let it drive you insane, and make sure you're always enjoying what you're creating! Speaking from experience here, lol, because it absolutely can.
Thanks for the kind comment bro! Im gettin a lot of questions about btdp and it will happen eventually ahha although I am anxious about it 🤣.
You are spot on too bro, I dont market myself much and make what i enjoy and it seems people are finding it eventually! If I build it they will come 😁 luckily im not relying on this for a job so I dont have to be beholden to a schedule. Life in the navy and being a lazy ape gets in the way haha
That sounds hellish, I replayed both WC II and BTDP and the expansion is insanely more difficult.
I do love me some WC2. Nostalgia here, my dad got this game for himself but I played a lot of it when I was around 10 years old too. No way in hell I beat it without cheats at that age but the music and sound effects are ground into my head as formational memories
Literally me as well, wacrafts 1-2 are such nostlagia trips for me. Sitting next to dad and watching as he played, always 1 level ahead of me! Thanks for watching bro always glad to make people happy
I recall War2's Orc Mission #7 being PAIN, like being harder than much the rest of the campaign!
OMG this brings back so many memories. This was my first RTS next to C&C. I played it when it came out.
Great Video! Love these kind of videos especially for games from my childhood. I wonder though if there is a way to bug out the game of do a glitch within the game to get around to avoid killing the goblins. I don't know enough about computers to know how or even if.
Thank you for putting in the insane amount of time to get through these deathless attempts
@@rellsw02 its the first time work has been fun and worth it 😁 for all the nice comments and community that is building around me. Time well spent. Thanks for watching!
Oh wow I miss Warcraft 2. Even though it had its issues, I still prefer Warcraft 2 over Warcraft 3. (Unless we add player created content in the mix for Warcraft 3 of course)
Great run.
I agree the sappers on 10 are an exception. The same way that GGGs no production run on HotS fails on the first mission due to a mission objective of making stuff.
For some reason, I liked the Human campaigns way more, must be my manthing bias.
I feel the human campaigns are a bit more interesting too, most of the orc missions are go in and blowup the enemy! although they are still cool to play kind of like terrans in starcraft nothing like a good ol man in a suit of armor and a sword!
The Nation of Azeroth fled to Lorderon, so it makes sense that they have some sorta camp near the capital. And while the Kul Tiran's are allies... not sure how they got their navy to lake lorderaon...
@3:30 - Warcraft 2 only predates Red Alert by a year, and Red Alert has a persistent campaign map. Everything you or the Soviet AI build on Allied 2 returns in an expanded map for Allied 4 - so if you're clever and know about this, you can pull shenanigans aplenty with buildings pre-placed to stop their advances or even give you a ready path to steal a Soviet war factory and get better tanks. This is also used again in the secret ant missions in RA's first expansion.
Love tour videos man!
Really good videos, i LOVED playing this game, it was one of the first rts i ever played, and i still play the campaing to this day! Even of my english is not the best, i learned every dialogue of the units, they are SO charming, hope you keep going strong
Thats so awesome to hear man! I actually met a spanish marine while deployed and he learned English ENTIRELY on gaming which I thought was so badass. I adore this game too, play it once or twice a year if not more just to get the nostalgia feels :) thanks for watching!
Amazing.. great video. Looking forward to the expansion packs, yes expansion and not DLC 😊
Steel counts for deathless for me. You could count those sappers as 'unavoidable ally' too. It unavoidable even with god mode cheat.
That runes use was badass! Well done!!
hello, nice play.
i myself also played similar chalenge. but i played not only without deaths but even without receiving any damage.
and yes i beaten all original orc missions like this exept last mission 14
i beatened them without receiving even 1 damage by any of my units.
also about mission 10 with sappers - i beaten this too without single damage, but this happened because sappers when they blow up they DO NOT deal damage to themselves, they just die by script, so it was allowed in my chalenge.
i can say this 100% sure about sappers cuz i saw it directly in source code of the game😁
unfortunately i wasnt able to beaten mission 14 yet, and also some human missions like mission 13 is impossible cuz u have 3 knights that will get damage from the start og game no matter what, BUT they still can run away and be saved though🙃
thats wild what was the main strategy? I imagine a lot of towers, spellcasters and kiting into ranged attacks. Well done! and thanks for watching :)
@@Admiral_Iddy most of strats depended on taking enemy over with starting army because if u spend time building anyting, enemy also building units and attack you. main strat was to not allow enemy to attack entirely, fastest way possible to kill peons/interrupt resources, also for water maps mostly was only needed to kill transport to stop comps from doing anyting for some time and get more time for myself.
also i used special microcontrol techiques that allows any of 2 melee low tier units to kill high tier units without getting damage.
for example 2 peons can kill ogre with right microcontrol and without any hit from ogre. And if AI not running to attack me, any permanently standing still units can be lured out and killed 1 by 1. so with this metod even 2 peons can kill unlimited amout of ogres.
also was many save loads, like thousands reloads in one mission😁
most pain was caused by archers and towers cuz u cannot dodge their attacks, so they was taken of with ballistas or pack of my archers.
also i not only received any damage on my movable units, but also not received damage on any buildings, because buildings in this game is units too.
so my strats wasnt able to use towers🙃
@@ed_gorod dam! thats a looot of patience, much respect! :) I would probably get too frustrated doing that haha I chose a challenge my smoothebrain could have a chance at completing, and in a good enough time for the viewer to not get too bored.
Nice videos! I remember Runes... what a hilarious troll spell.
I remember finding out as a kid playing warcraft 2 that enabling fog of war makes enemies less aggressive because they probably don't know where you are
Here After the human campaign! great vid!
Love the persistant map saves ideas across campaigns. That would be cool in any game. Imagine killing some cool hero or base you spent hours building up in the previous campaign.
Well done! Would you consider trying Warcraft 1? Even if its ground youve covered in your own time, I dig the lessons here. Comparing units and game philosophy to other games in the series; I love stuff like that. Totally up to you though, its your channel lol
When I was like 6 I was a fan of Orcs for the sole reason that my older brother preferred playing humans and I had to be contrarian.
Orcs ftw! I just liked evil greenskinned badasses! Although knights in armour were also badass, warcraft 1 footmen and knights are so metal my god
Seeing these challenge runs for one of my favorite games is beyond cool! The only thing I just have to comment on: orc invasion on Tol Barad is happening before the mirror mission in alliance campaign. And blizzard went for "kinda continuity" back then - you see blackrock orcs invading right from the start and has to repel the invasion. Of course they don't invade with the exact units you used in orc mission. At least because you don't even required to play orc campaign prior to that.
Had lots of fun watching, cant wait for Beyond the Dark Portal :)
Thanks for watching bro! Got a backlog of games and videos to be done so might be a while!
BTDP would be very tough lossless
Funny thing about level 9, because the objective is more nuanced than "kill guys" my father who loved this game could not beat this stage since he never knew what to do since he doesn't know english, I had to come back later once I knew english to properly finish the level
You blowing up the Sappers still resulted in 0 enemy kills. Good enough.
Never thought I'd learn about Russian battleships from a Warcraft 2 video haha. Back in the later half of the 90s we were playing it in high school. I remember a guy getting mad to me having a lot of stuff and accusing me of cheating lol. WC2 is so great to have navy too, WC3 couldn't deliver it and also turned fighting system into something incomprehensible to me.
5:58 "It's the only nuclear-powered surface vessel in existence, too." Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying here, but I'm pretty sure plenty of aircraft carriers (which are obviously also surface vessels) are nuclear-powered as well.
whoops you are correct! I guess while I was off script I wasn't considering the largest surface vessels of all! Ill fix that pronto thanks for pointing that out.
Awesome video series. Hoping to see beyond the portal next. That should be much harder, perhaps even impossible. Nonetheless I'd like to see you try it!
GGG has serious competition! Great stuff!
thanks man! to be compared to him is awesome because he is definitely the godfather, Ive tried to avoid games he has already covered to not step onto his turf :)
This is good content, I can see why UA-cam recommended this channel to me.
Thanks man! Im quite humbled by all the nice people finding me lately haha never expected much but happy to see 😁
@@Admiral_Iddy -- You're welcome. Keep up the good work, I'm looking forward to new content from you.
That's how I tried playing this game as a kid, but I always gave up at the last Alliance mission, way too many losses upfront, with lots more while trying to establish a base. I still beat it, but not deathless.
Does GOG have the campaign editor with it? I think it would be really neat to try and fix some of the missions and triggers that got broken even if its a custom map version
OH MY! Thanks for doing this: I've asked GGG so many MANY MANY times to do this to no avail!
Thanks man! I was worried he would beat me to this game since he does a lot of blizzard stuff! I dont wanna steal his thunder or copycat him too much though 🤣
@@Admiral_Iddy This time, he'll seem to appear like a copycat now lol!
Well played !
I'm barely sentient enough to figure out how to do the campaign at all. Seeing all these cool tricks was impressive. Beyond the Dark Portal? Sacrificial goblins there?
i suggest you to trying playing beyond dark portal too
and also did you heard about new cool Warcraft2 custom campanigns? they named Alaunter and Stonia:Expedition of Gedsun, they are super cool, very recommended to play, guaranteed to get a lots of fun😉👍
Sappers @Stratholme, you dont get kills in statistic by blowing up Sappers
Really weird to see wc2 without the fog of war
Great stuff! And I know the rush of watching the stats on UA-cam! I need to go back and do some wc2 on my channel too❤
So with your mention of wanting to face the base you built already and it being beyond the tech of the time. Well less than a year later, Red Alert 1 does have a mission where you revisit your old base. Whatever you had in the second Allied mission you'll have when you revisit the area in the fourth Allied mission. A one off example but proof the tech may not have been that far off.
Oh man another banger of a game, hoping for a remaster soon but yeah that is a good example, dynamic campaigns as it were!
So about that... It already has happened as a double pack with the original C&C and actually came out in 2020. Very nice remaster, can even toggle to play with the original 90s graphics if you wanted to!
The run is still good in my opinion, since the game forces you to sacrifice the unit. There is no way around, so it doesn't count for the challenge.
Hey man,first off,awesome beard.Second video I watched and you have my sub sir.Keep up the good work!Oh no,just progressed in the vid,the beard is gone,woe is me
the beard is back! more clean than before haha im never shaving again, my chin's chin was just flabbing around haha
@@Admiral_Iddy Awesome man,I just shaved,growing my beard back too and gonna take care of it this time😁
awesome. subbed
Missions like the one you have to blow up the sappers to even really start the mission. I do not count that as unit lost, as it has mandatory losses.
Same goes for when allies gets killed at a 100% of the time, they should not count as well, there is no way to prevent them.
Warcraft 1 Deathless When? :D
Putting the video together as we speak 😉 ill finish the footage on stream this friday
Now do the expansion! n.n
Did you use an Eye of Kilrog and it died? Run failed! JK, but I think units like Sappers are exempt for the rule because they are purposefully sacrifice units. They only count if killed before they explode!
I never use eye of kilrog even casually so no worries on deaths there 😉 yeah it was a dam shame they force me to use it, but the enemy didnt kill them so i think the rule can slide
10:50 arthas did killed 90 % of the blood elves tho
Just saw this and the human run. Will we get the same for the Beyond the Dark Portal expansion?
I invented running through Badlands with Cho Gall (i wanna believe) to bad my video is gone
I love these games and I hate the massive amount of retcon that happened with WoW. The only good change was Lothar fell in the Battle of Blackrock Spire agsinst Doomhammer and not that stupid parley mission.
Yeah I think a lot of shadow council stuff with ner'zhul and blackhand got retconned too and that dissapointed me too those characters were badasses! I mean nerzhul is the og lich king!
@@Admiral_Iddy I think they wrote themselves into a corner with having to write 20+ years of lore for WoW. They took the easy way out and retconned the lore from 1 and 2 since most WoW players were not even aware of it.
@@Knights_Oath makes sense but its a shame wars 1-2 have some cool lore especially in the manuals alas! We still have them to cherish at least 😁
heya admiral, how about star wars galactic battlegrounds next?
ooh a good suggestion I actually adore that game, with long hopes of a definitive edition like the age series but not counting on it haha i shall add it to my list! (got a big backlog here)
The sappers blowing up don’t credit the enemy does it though
The game forced your hand on mission 10.
In my opinion, the mission did not start until you are past that sapper tutorial. If you go by that standard then yes, you can beat every mission without losing a unit.
Aaaaah yeeeeeees
Got the stones to do Beyond the Dark Portal deathless? :)
some day I will try, i think it will be MUCH more tricky since there are a lot of no build missions and deathwing level haha but im backlogged on so many projects I wanna do it will be a while, warcraft 1 is almost done just gotta put a video together :)
@@Admiral_Iddy Nice. I've never actually played WC1 despite the vast amounts of time I've spent in all of Blizzard's other RTS games.
@@Creedonator its a LOT more rudimentary and stiff (no right click for example) but still a banger, charming as all hell and my first EVER gaming experience so its dear to my heart. Its on GOG.com if you wanted to check it out!
@@Admiral_Iddy Nice. I remember playing the WC2 demo on DOS when I was a very small lad. Think you're a wee few years my elder.
@@Creedonator haha Legally only 32 but my bones and grey hairs say otherwise! I remember war2s launcher on dos was so cool with preview videos for diablo and starcraft with lord of the clans too!
I wonder why you didnt mention Moskva flagship
Can you do the 2 beyond the dark portal campaigns?
They are on the list! might be a while but I will get to them eventually :)
Any one else finding that the volume is extremely low.
Uh oh! If its too low I can try raising it for the next video, still learning what works and what doesnt for these videos 😁
So when is the expansion up for deathless ;)?
Soon! Got some other ideas first but it will happen for sure 😁
@@Admiral_Iddy must say I love wc2 content :) i grew up with tides of darkness and dark portal. Keep up the good work!
@@Adamius_ thanks man! I might try and stream some more warcraft 2 stuff tomorrow or soon, the people demand it!
FOllowing the videos in
Looking forward to the WC3 equivalent next ;)
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Also, if mandatory, you have to kill the unit. It remains a deathless run.
Don't compare juggernaughts to russian ships (If you don't think juggernaughts are thrash). 😉
Haha definitely you are right functionality juggs are better but aesthetically with all the pollution they are similar ahha
Yeah... This is only possible if you load every 4 seconds. Kind of stupid honestly. I wouldn't even call this a run.
nice!