BEST VIDEO on this topic. Others have mentioned the counter-clockwise procedure, but no one shoes a perfect visual like yours. The clock diagram and black line helped to make a very clear visual. THANK YOU !
If someone is interested why this rule works (I explained in the video but cut it to keep the video short, because most people don't care anyway) , it works because ALL spinning reels have rotors that rotate CLOCKWISE. However, if someone built a spinning reel where the rotor spins counterclockwise, then you would have to reverse this rule.
The water soaking only helps when spooling up 20-50lb mono tightly on a conventional reel. Helps keep your fingers from burning. That's about it. Great video. Glad you are calling out lots of bs some UA-cam fishing experts put up.
Water helping with burning - OK, I can see that! : ) - That makes more sense : ) . Conventional reels dont have line twist anyway, so if u take care of the the fingers burning you should be alright : )
I want to share that I found a lot of interest in your videos, you do not like to take things for granted and nothing is taken for granted until carefully examined. I even learned to love your accent and I am thinking of adopting it in my home :), so from me you have a huge 👍and continue on your beautiful path.
Awesome I'm going to try your technique I've got a lot of line to put on my reels next month for salmon fishing 🎣 I'll call you when the salmon start running good vid 🎣🎣👍😊
Thank you! Thank you! and one more time for good measure, Thank you! This should be one of the only videos that shows up when one searches how to spool a spinning reel. I watched so many videos that were so all over the place with so many tools, gadgets, and potions. I enjoyed the videos and the personalities, but they almost got me to let go of my kung-fu grip on the very short stack of greenbacks I have.
Great video Victor! I have the Piscifun spooler. I've only used it about 4 times. I purchased it a few years ago for about $25. I've yet to purchase the spinning reel you recommended, mainly because of the line twists that I was afraid to encounter. Thanks man now I can spool a spinning reel and try the jigs and line you sent me!😀👍
@@ifishcatfish lol I've been waiting for an instructional video with better results than the "torchure" devices can produce! I've been using baitcast reels simply for the fact that they are easier to spool!
Great video. I do however like to put 10 # backing on my spool, about 50 meters just to take up some space. Just cheap mono from Walmart, then a double uni knot to good quality braid. But my reeling method, same as you sir 🤙🏻
Great topic. I quit fighting with spinning reel line twist over 20 years ago. I bought one of those Berkley Cyclone Line Winder tools. I did all of what you said before I got the tool and it worked pretty well but there is nothing like winding the line like the sport shops do. Spooling up line with reel's spool side by side and parallel with new line spool with the line getting mounted with the same spiral that the line is coming off the feeder spool. Another trick if you get line twist is to let out about 30 to 40 yards of line (however much line you usually can cast plus some) , tie it to a post of something solid and give the line a little pull. Pull it just enough to stretch it a slight bit and that sets a new memory on the line and straightens it out.
No, you too?? People with technical background should be able to figure this without torture machines! Come on, the rotor is always spinning clockwise, so you want the coils to come out of the spool counter clock wise. Torture machines are not only ridiculous, but they actually feed STRAIGHT LINE into the reel, and the reel is making coils out of it. You need to form new memory. If you do it right you don't need to form new memory as the coils that come out of the spool are laid directly on the reel without deformation
@@ifishcatfish I don't think you understand what I have. This is what I have. See link. ua-cam.com/video/DDY77iSS29k/v-deo.html It's a light duty winder just like what you see at tackle shops. NO COILS EVER with this tool.
i have to admit, i have never seen this torture machine : ). Yes, this will never create twist, but you better have a steady hand with this. I doubt the line lay will be very pretty when you are done... I have done similar stuff with the drill, and the line lay is never looking good. If you want to show me how u spool line on an empty spool and it looks flat when you are done.. i am ready to see that. At the end there is still no need for all of that hassle.
@@ifishcatfish It's definitely a pleasure machine. I got really spoiled and started changing my line 4 times during each season. It's like any tool. Once you get the hang of it, spooling line flat is a breeze. Every spring all my fishing buddies get together and we have a line winding party. I bring my machine and I re-spool all their reels.
I have one of the torture machines and it works VERY well. I am very happy I have it. Saves a ton of time and effort so I can spend less time spooling and more time fishing.
I soak to warm water my braid line when i spool, i do this not for line twist but to get rid of the dye that was not fully absorbed especially when using the cheaper braids.
@@ifishcatfish literally just ordered. 👍 I may not be the best to provide feedback as I’ve just ordered an Okuma sst + legalis based on your recent videos. I am primarily a BFS bass fisherman but have been having a lot of fun targeting panfish and rip grande cichlids so I wanted a rod for that purpose
if u have ahigh quality BFS rig, you might be able to sling the S125 float as well.. if you have a long BFS rod. Total weight is about 5 grams, so it shouldn't be too hard
Lol, guess what ad preceded this video-- yep one of the line spooling contraptions. 😮 Nice material, especially liked the none harbor arbor knot it's news to me. 👍
@@ifishcatfish most people use an arbor knot to anchor to the spool, your's is unknown to me so I called it non arbor. An arbor knot with braid will not grab a smooth spool.
Does the 3,2,1 rule work with monofilament line as well? I was always taught that the spool line should come off the same direction it goes on the reel.
Oh odd, i have done this my whole life, didn't even realize i was so awesome. When i put line on, i use a towel, so i don't have braid color on my fingers or friction burn
I have used towel too, but notice my very last point. You don't want to hold the line too tight. The whole point is to use the coils that are already formed on the vendor spool. If you hold very tight, you erase the coils, and feed straight line into the rotor, and it is reforming new coils out of straight line. But yeah, you've been awesome and not even know it
Put a pen through the hole , get someone to grip loosely but no to lose on either side . Stand 5’-10’ away from rod and reel . Never failed in my 40 years of fishing 😂🇮🇪👌
I actually approve of that method too. You will have zero twist on the line. But if you try to fish with it right away, it will jump like crazy, because you are rewriting all the memory of the line. But after a week it should be fine. Or just be careful first few days
i just tie the line on the reel, throw the spool on the ground and start cranking. i think the most important is use a finger to keep some tension while you spool.
This can actually be OK, but in your case you DO have to hold tight. Since the spool will be flipping both ways, when it is the facing the wrong way you will get nasty line twist very fast, but you can keep all of that away from the reel with your fingers, as i will show in one of my next videos. However by holding it tight you voluntarily introduce a small amount of line twist, just so you avoid a lot of line twist. That's simply because you need to twist a straight line if you want to curl it on a spool with line roller, and your tight fingers make the line that comes to the spool straight. In contrast, with my rule, the line that comes IN is not straight, but is ALREADY CURLED UP, the right way, and you allow the old curls to lay on the new spool, and you need very little tension to make smaller new curls from the old big curls. I know its confusing, that's why i intentionally didn't try to explain this in the video. Better show people how to do it and don't explain much.
@@ifishcatfish i understand. i personally think this is way easier to mess up when retrieving a cast on the water. if the wrong lure is used, or a incorrect setup. it automatically add alot of twist real fast and i think this is why most people get birds nest while fishing.
Amazing video. One question tho' ...i just order shimano vanford 4000xgf (its coming tomorrow and cause' its my FIRST shimano reel, can u please explain the line manage to me ..those bushing under the spool you need to put for better braid laying) ...i'm from Slovenia, sorry for my bad English* best regards and i absolutely love your videos*
Great video as always, however I think this needs some more thinking. Basically what you suggest, ensures that the line that has been spooled is not twisted. So far, so good. The problem though is that when I cast a lure, the line is going to twist as it goes our of the spool, which is exactly what we DO NOT want. As I reel it in, then it's going to untwist again, but this serves no purpose to me. We do not want twisting as we launch the lure, right? I don't care how it's spooled in, it doesn't matter to me, what matters is what happens in action, i.e. when we cast lures. I might be wrong, but let me know your thoughts. Thanks!
When you buy a Shimano or Daiwa reel, instructions say to hold the spool vertical, and just reel. That is THE ONLY way to lay line on the spool without any twist at all. My video does allow a very small amount of twist on the line, because the line will come out of the spool just a little twisted. The reason I prefer my method over the Daiwa and Shimano method is PRECISELY because of what you are describing. My method allows some very small amount of twist on the spool, BUT PRESERVES THE ORIGINAL COILS. That is the key. That is the only way for line not to jump on you. Daiwa and Shimano's method will lay line without twist, but you need to form completely NEW COILS, and the line needs to be coiled in a plane perpendicular to the original plane. In my experience it can take months for the old line memory to be erased, and new coils to be formed, and sometimes it never happens. My method allows the original coils to lay on the spool with just a little compression. Yes, a little twist is originally added, but this is absolutely nothing compared to what will happen in normal fishing with soft drag. With my method you can put line on the reel, and go fish it right away.
they are not even easy to use! I understand if u make a sacrifice of quality to make your life easier, but you make your life harder, and it doesn't lay the line as well.. : )
@@ifishcatfish you're right Sir, double tape make more control for me. The rest is just reeling without worry my spool moving all over the place or grab by my pet
i usually put my reels on one of these ice fishing rods that have only 3 guides. Also its easier to turn around and not hit everything. But it makes no difference how many guides it goes through..
Man, I really appreciate that! I don't have anything set up, but now i will think how i can set this up and what can i do extra for patrons. I will let u know!
Hi. Really informative video. Could you please film a demo of how you actually do it ? When I try, the spool keeps jumping places and I can't keep the correct angle. Maybe I'm placing my rod wrong...
i know what you are talking about. I thought about adding tips for this, but then the video gets long and nobody wants to watch it. The problem is most spools have a corner where the line snags. I put a piece of tape over the corner. But that only works if you can put the tape neatly - otherwise the line will snag on the tape. The other way is even without tape, if you hold the tip of the rod above the part of the spool that is getting snagged. The line needs to come slack right where the snag is. I do it without tape any more, just hold the rod right over the part that snags.. But it takes some practice to figure out a smooth way.
@@ifishcatfish What do you think of using some vertical axle to keep the spool spinning flat ? Would that compromise the process ? Also, do you recommend to hold the Rodolphe on top of the spool or more on the side ? Thanks for your awesome videos, by the way...
Hi Victor, when spooling up Ester line what knot do you use to tie to the reel arbor before you begin spooling? And another question? Do you apply tension when spooling up Ester line or just spool up regular? Thank you sir 👍
OMG Ive never had issues spooling a spinning reel so I dont normally watch these videos but soaking line, conditioners and those crazy contraptions arent needed. LOL
So are you telling me that even though the supply spool is much larger and the line coming off makes only one revolution compared to the reel spool makeing 2 or 3 revolutions does not matter? I believe zero twist would be a 1 to 1 ratio with both spools the same diameter. When fishing the line is not coming off the spool the same way it went on. Say you bought a new 100' extersion cord and was a 1 or 1 1/2' diameter coil and you rewound it in a much tighter diameter you will fight with twist. Another thought - reeling in line while the drag is active, the spool rotating with no line coming in will cause line twist which means the spinning reel by it's design causes line twist. Your thoughts?
Going from big coils to small coils obviously does not create twist. Yes, you tighten the coils, but you are not twisting the line. The vendors make the spools big on purpose, so you can tighten them and form coils around your own spool. The torture machines for comparison feed straight line to the line roller, and now the line needs to be bent to form NEW coils. After using torture machines you have to leave the reel for a week before fishing, so the straight line can form memory around the new coils. The second question is not related to this video and I am not going to answer it because once you go on a tangent you forget what the title of this video is. But coincidentally the video i am releasing tomorrow talks about that, so maybe check it out, but in this video i want to discuss only this topic
Another good vid but my line problems still are not solved. Since mfg’s don’t include spare spools anymore, how do you determine how much mono backer to put on a reel so that 150 yds of braid will fill the spool? I hate burning up 300 yds of braid every time I fill my 2000/2500 reels. Is there relief for this greedy plot to take our money and waste line?
there is a way but its too complicated. But I do this so often that i eyeball it pretty close now. Also, you only have to eyeball it once. Then keep the same backing forever
Varivas sent me some products to test. There is a video on my channel from a few weeks ago with unboxing and their website. The gosen i got off ebay, i think, as i didn't find it anywhere.
Victor you have to put a quartz crystal in the water with the line and soak it under a full moon....That's the only way to do it if you cant get a JuJu fruit from the Galápagos' Island.
Actually I just put it on with no thought or system and expect it to be slightly unruly until I fish it a few times and try to make very long casts when first using. Its like it needs to settle in....?
Long first cast can help remove all twist, if you did it wrong. But if you leave the new line on the spool for too long, then it will deform and start to build the line twist in its memory. There is definitely benefit in doing it this way. The line will never jump.
@@ifishcatfish I definitely will be using the 321 method you covered. I also use the loop method on my reels, even baitcasters. You have to take the spoon out the side plate to get it on, Not my idea but that is how my father taught me.
i dont think thats quality control. Every Vanford 2000 size is rough, i tried a dozen already. If it was quality control at least one would be smooth. I think the idle gears in the Vanford are different compared to the more expensive models
Basically what you're saying is to make sure the line is coming off the spool in a counter-clockwise rotation. Also, it should be noted that both Daiwa and Shimano instructions for loading spinning reels is to hold the main spool with a pencil in a vertical position ( like you would for a baitcaster) and to make sure the line comes off from the bottom of the main spool. Just sayin'.
yes, counter clock wise, but this doesn't sound nice and is not easy to remember. I don't recommend holding the spool vertical, especially with stiff line. It will want to jump, as you are making coils from straight line. If you do it as described in the video, the line will come out of the spool not in a straight line, but in coils, and the coils are in the same direction as they will lay on your spool. Holding the spool vertical can also work if your line is soft, or if you keep it for a week on the spool before fishing, so the straight line can form memory for the new coils. It will definitely work for braid. But it will NOT work for these polyester lines i am using.
OMG this video is making me laugh. This is the ONLY video that uses the exact same spool knot method I use. A super simple knot to use and self tightening. I use the same knot on my mooring lines. Must be a european thing cause my dad showed me this. Although it will slip using braid. Then I use a thin piece Scotch double face tape on the spool.
I want to hear your opinion on my gloves when u get them. I think u will like them. I think my gloves are better than anything out of Japan. I also think the same about my floats, Japan for some reason has no good floats, only some weird stuff. Best floats i've seen are in Russia
@@ifishcatfish Some of your viewers may fish for bass like myself on heavier gear and will use braid and need to know how to apply it to the spool. Why do you dislike braid? Polyester line is streach free as well. You use Polyester for carp?
Fishing line doesn't need 'backing'. If you want to put some cheap line on the bottom of the spool so u don't use that much expensive line, just put it the same way. Most ultralight reels have very shallow spools and there is no need for cheap line on the bottom.
I have to confess that I fell prey to those spooler scams. It's the perfect trap for people who overthink things. Really, why does the spool have to rotate upon 2 axes in order for the line to come off in the same direction that your rotor is turning? But probably worse than that is when we think we just prevented line twist forever.
Im only 3 mins in and I've laughed a lot. These "Spanish Inquisition torture devices"😂😂😂 look very stupid yes and are a total waste of money and carbon emissions.
I-fish, you are wrong, that way the line is perfect in your reel but when the line is coming out is twisted and we need the line straight when we are fishing . you have to read the factory advice, reel the line coming straight and twisted in the reel Sorry for my english
i am aware of the factory advice but you rewrite all the memory of the spool. You are trying to bend all of the line on 90 degrees and it doesn't want to, and tends to jump. Also, if u think about the twist u create when the drag is slipping, it is opposite to this twist, so in a way it straightens it.
The only one talking nonsense is YOU. You come across as a closed minded old man who is stuck in his old ways and is not open to new technologies. If you don't like modern ways that's fine but you don't need to lie and be critical of other people that do. I have used the Piscifun line spooler and it definitely works. Have you actually tried it ? Also, you are wrong about soaking in water. I have personally run tests on soaking line and a short soak in water ABSOLUTELY softens the line and does help somewhat with line twist. It will not eliminate it, but it does help.
Technology?? From PISCIFUN??? Are you out of your mind? Now if Shimano release that product i would give it a thought.. And like you said yourself, soaking in water does not do anything about twist. Soaking in hot water WILL temporarily soften your line, but if you did that with a twisted line, when the line dries, it will feel horrible. I don't want to argue with you because if anyone believes soaking in water can fix this, we cannot possible use the same arguments in debate
@i_fish You are obviously too old and set in your ways to be reasonable and open to new things. I wouldn't be surprised if you still have a horse and buggy instead of a car. Enjoy.
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BEST VIDEO on this topic. Others have mentioned the counter-clockwise procedure, but no one shoes a perfect visual like yours. The clock diagram and black line helped to make a very clear visual. THANK YOU !
Finally someone is showing the real way!!!
Best video I have ever seen on this subject. You are a natural teacher, and I look forward to your other videos!
If someone is interested why this rule works (I explained in the video but cut it to keep the video short, because most people don't care anyway) , it works because ALL spinning reels have rotors that rotate CLOCKWISE. However, if someone built a spinning reel where the rotor spins counterclockwise, then you would have to reverse this rule.
As a Tenkara Fisherman I find this fascinating.
THANK YOU!!! I almost gave up after several attempts to spool my spinning reel with instructions from other UA-cam videos and failing repeatedly.
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Great video. I just spooled a reel tonight! I loved all the tips and glad to know what NOT to do!
I was cracking up! Spanish inquisition torture chamber! Love watching you. You tell it like it is!
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Always glad to see you around Justin
3,2,1,
Now i know how to spool my reel properly.
It is almost science 😇
Thanks for sharing, much appreciated!
You're welcome 😊
Thank you very much for your great advice,, 🐟🐟
The water soaking only helps when spooling up 20-50lb mono tightly on a conventional reel. Helps keep your fingers from burning. That's about it.
Great video. Glad you are calling out lots of bs some UA-cam fishing experts put up.
Water helping with burning - OK, I can see that! : ) - That makes more sense : ) . Conventional reels dont have line twist anyway, so if u take care of the the fingers burning you should be alright : )
Good points!
thank you sir! Means more to me when it comes from patriots.
Great information. Thank you.
thank You!
Wow. Great video man! Lots of great info!
thanks for stopping mr Enduro
I want to share that I found a lot of interest in your videos, you do not like to take things for granted and nothing is taken for granted until carefully examined. I even learned to love your accent and I am thinking of adopting it in my home :), so from me you have a huge 👍and continue on your beautiful path.
thank you : )
I lol’ed most of that, great vid!
Awesome I'm going to try your technique I've got a lot of line to put on my reels next month for salmon fishing 🎣 I'll call you when the salmon start running good vid 🎣🎣👍😊
dont forget
Thank you! Thank you! and one more time for good measure, Thank you! This should be one of the only videos that shows up when one searches how to spool a spinning reel. I watched so many videos that were so all over the place with so many tools, gadgets, and potions. I enjoyed the videos and the personalities, but they almost got me to let go of my kung-fu grip on the very short stack of greenbacks I have.
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No Victor. I need that spooler! HAHAHA!!! I will try your methods my friend. Thank you again for the awesome videos.
Just.. make sure nobody can see you when you do it : )
Great video Victor! I have the Piscifun spooler. I've only used it about 4 times. I purchased it a few years ago for about $25. I've yet to purchase the spinning reel you recommended, mainly because of the line twists that I was afraid to encounter. Thanks man now I can spool a spinning reel and try the jigs and line you sent me!😀👍
well go for it man, what have you been waiting for! : )
@@ifishcatfish lol I've been waiting for an instructional video with better results than the "torchure" devices can produce! I've been using baitcast reels simply for the fact that they are easier to spool!
Love the content and that ending 😂!
Now i cant wait to try this out
wear goggles
Keep the videos coming. Maybe I will see you out fishing someday.
hollar if u do!
great video thanks for sharing.
thank you for the continued patronage! It is noticed and appreciated.
Great video. I do however like to put 10 # backing on my spool, about 50 meters just to take up some space. Just cheap mono from Walmart, then a double uni knot to good quality braid. But my reeling method, same as you sir 🤙🏻
If u have big reels and deep spools, i do that too for the big reels. But my ultralight reels are mostly shallow spool and dont need filler
Great video , tons of confusing examples out there for what is a simple but important process.
Yes finnallllyyy someone in YT know how to do it the right way Thank you
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This could also be titled......."Straight talk with an engineer". I love it.
This is very informative.
thank you sir
Great topic. I quit fighting with spinning reel line twist over 20 years ago. I bought one of those Berkley Cyclone Line Winder tools. I did all of what you said before I got the tool and it worked pretty well but there is nothing like winding the line like the sport shops do. Spooling up line with reel's spool side by side and parallel with new line spool with the line getting mounted with the same spiral that the line is coming off the feeder spool. Another trick if you get line twist is to let out about 30 to 40 yards of line (however much line you usually can cast plus some) , tie it to a post of something solid and give the line a little pull. Pull it just enough to stretch it a slight bit and that sets a new memory on the line and straightens it out.
No, you too?? People with technical background should be able to figure this without torture machines! Come on, the rotor is always spinning clockwise, so you want the coils to come out of the spool counter clock wise. Torture machines are not only ridiculous, but they actually feed STRAIGHT LINE into the reel, and the reel is making coils out of it. You need to form new memory. If you do it right you don't need to form new memory as the coils that come out of the spool are laid directly on the reel without deformation
@@ifishcatfish I don't think you understand what I have. This is what I have. See link. ua-cam.com/video/DDY77iSS29k/v-deo.html It's a light duty winder just like what you see at tackle shops. NO COILS EVER with this tool.
i have to admit, i have never seen this torture machine : ). Yes, this will never create twist, but you better have a steady hand with this. I doubt the line lay will be very pretty when you are done... I have done similar stuff with the drill, and the line lay is never looking good. If you want to show me how u spool line on an empty spool and it looks flat when you are done.. i am ready to see that. At the end there is still no need for all of that hassle.
@@ifishcatfish It's definitely a pleasure machine. I got really spoiled and started changing my line 4 times during each season. It's like any tool. Once you get the hang of it, spooling line flat is a breeze. Every spring all my fishing buddies get together and we have a line winding party. I bring my machine and I re-spool all their reels.
Make a video next time u do it. I want to see that steady hand.
Thanks man I was getting ready to buy one of them torture machines thank you for the information
I have one of the torture machines and it works VERY well. I am very happy I have it. Saves a ton of time and effort so I can spend less time spooling and more time fishing.
I do it the same way, but I put the line through a book for the tension when reeling.
dont use heavy book. For very thin line dont use any book, just fingers...
Awesome video I was waiting for you to make a how to video 👏👏
The winter is my time for those. No fishing till march for me :)
@@ifishcatfish same I don’t ice fish
I soak to warm water my braid line when i spool, i do this not for line twist but to get rid of the dye that was not fully absorbed especially when using the cheaper braids.
that makes more sense... but it will happen after a few casts anyway.. so why get messy..
very entertaining video. bought some of your floats. thanks for keeping it reel
did u receive the floats? I want first impressions when u get them
@@ifishcatfish literally just ordered. 👍 I may not be the best to provide feedback as I’ve just ordered an Okuma sst + legalis based on your recent videos. I am primarily a BFS bass fisherman but have been having a lot of fun targeting panfish and rip grande cichlids so I wanted a rod for that purpose
@@GrnBltSniper excellent!
if u have ahigh quality BFS rig, you might be able to sling the S125 float as well.. if you have a long BFS rod. Total weight is about 5 grams, so it shouldn't be too hard
When I put new braid. I normally tie a loop, tighten the loop around spool an then do 4 half hitches!
I dont think u need 4 but i don't see what difference does that make..
Lol, guess what ad preceded this video-- yep one of the line spooling contraptions. 😮 Nice material, especially liked the none harbor arbor knot it's news to me. 👍
is this the name of my knot? : ) I dont even know..
@@ifishcatfish most people use an arbor knot to anchor to the spool, your's is unknown to me so I called it non arbor. An arbor knot with braid will not grab a smooth spool.
Victor,
When are you and Randy Goad doing a video together!?
Thanks for the new video. Always waiting for a tackle video from you!
We need to get on the same boat and hit some panfish, thats for sure!
Love this! But still looking for a way to keep new line jumping around as I’m spooling?
its not easy.. The vendors don't want you to do this, so they cut the spool..
Does the 3,2,1 rule work with monofilament line as well? I was always taught that the spool line should come off the same direction it goes on the reel.
All lines, no exception
Oh odd, i have done this my whole life, didn't even realize i was so awesome. When i put line on, i use a towel, so i don't have braid color on my fingers or friction burn
I have used towel too, but notice my very last point. You don't want to hold the line too tight. The whole point is to use the coils that are already formed on the vendor spool. If you hold very tight, you erase the coils, and feed straight line into the rotor, and it is reforming new coils out of straight line.
But yeah, you've been awesome and not even know it
Big ups
Put a pen through the hole , get someone to grip loosely but no to lose on either side . Stand 5’-10’ away from rod and reel . Never failed in my 40 years of fishing 😂🇮🇪👌
I actually approve of that method too. You will have zero twist on the line. But if you try to fish with it right away, it will jump like crazy, because you are rewriting all the memory of the line. But after a week it should be fine. Or just be careful first few days
i just tie the line on the reel, throw the spool on the ground and start cranking.
i think the most important is use a finger to keep some tension while you spool.
This can actually be OK, but in your case you DO have to hold tight. Since the spool will be flipping both ways, when it is the facing the wrong way you will get nasty line twist very fast, but you can keep all of that away from the reel with your fingers, as i will show in one of my next videos. However by holding it tight you voluntarily introduce a small amount of line twist, just so you avoid a lot of line twist. That's simply because you need to twist a straight line if you want to curl it on a spool with line roller, and your tight fingers make the line that comes to the spool straight.
In contrast, with my rule, the line that comes IN is not straight, but is ALREADY CURLED UP, the right way, and you allow the old curls to lay on the new spool, and you need very little tension to make smaller new curls from the old big curls.
I know its confusing, that's why i intentionally didn't try to explain this in the video. Better show people how to do it and don't explain much.
@@ifishcatfish i understand. i personally think this is way easier to mess up when retrieving a cast on the water. if the wrong lure is used, or a incorrect setup. it automatically add alot of twist real fast and i think this is why most people get birds nest while fishing.
well you can't fix everything
Amazing video. One question tho' ...i just order shimano vanford 4000xgf (its coming tomorrow and cause' its my FIRST shimano reel, can u please explain the line manage to me ..those bushing under the spool you need to put for better braid laying) ...i'm from Slovenia, sorry for my bad English* best regards and i absolutely love your videos*
you don't need to put anything anywhere to use braid. Just reel it on
Great video as always, however I think this needs some more thinking. Basically what you suggest, ensures that the line that has been spooled is not twisted. So far, so good. The problem though is that when I cast a lure, the line is going to twist as it goes our of the spool, which is exactly what we DO NOT want. As I reel it in, then it's going to untwist again, but this serves no purpose to me. We do not want twisting as we launch the lure, right? I don't care how it's spooled in, it doesn't matter to me, what matters is what happens in action, i.e. when we cast lures. I might be wrong, but let me know your thoughts. Thanks!
When you buy a Shimano or Daiwa reel, instructions say to hold the spool vertical, and just reel. That is THE ONLY way to lay line on the spool without any twist at all. My video does allow a very small amount of twist on the line, because the line will come out of the spool just a little twisted.
The reason I prefer my method over the Daiwa and Shimano method is PRECISELY because of what you are describing. My method allows some very small amount of twist on the spool, BUT PRESERVES THE ORIGINAL COILS. That is the key. That is the only way for line not to jump on you. Daiwa and Shimano's method will lay line without twist, but you need to form completely NEW COILS, and the line needs to be coiled in a plane perpendicular to the original plane. In my experience it can take months for the old line memory to be erased, and new coils to be formed, and sometimes it never happens. My method allows the original coils to lay on the spool with just a little compression. Yes, a little twist is originally added, but this is absolutely nothing compared to what will happen in normal fishing with soft drag. With my method you can put line on the reel, and go fish it right away.
Spooling stations are absolute junk! 100% agree with the counterclockwise method; so simple and zero issues.
they are not even easy to use! I understand if u make a sacrifice of quality to make your life easier, but you make your life harder, and it doesn't lay the line as well.. : )
I use double tape on line spool to make them stay still on the table when i reeling in to my spinning reel, work for me. Hope that can help too
thats not necessary but if it help you then use it. Doesn't hurt anything.
@@ifishcatfish you're right Sir, double tape make more control for me. The rest is just reeling without worry my spool moving all over the place or grab by my pet
Great stuff....do you run the line thru the entire Rod when spooling your line?
i usually put my reels on one of these ice fishing rods that have only 3 guides. Also its easier to turn around and not hit everything.
But it makes no difference how many guides it goes through..
every video i watch on your channel is one of a kind, just amazing!
Also, how do i sign up to be a patron of the channel?
Man, I really appreciate that! I don't have anything set up, but now i will think how i can set this up and what can i do extra for patrons. I will let u know!
@@ifishcatfish yeah that would be great!
Thanks Victor!
Very interesting......
What can I do .... For me Lloyd Charmers version works
dont even know what that is, but if it works...
I have the piscifun speed X to put my fishing line on I never have any problems it cast a mile
oh, come on : )
Does the 3-2-1 rule apply for baitcaster reels as well? Thanks
NO. For baitcasters the slool must be vertical!
@@ifishcatfish thank you:)
Hi. Really informative video. Could you please film a demo of how you actually do it ? When I try, the spool keeps jumping places and I can't keep the correct angle. Maybe I'm placing my rod wrong...
i know what you are talking about. I thought about adding tips for this, but then the video gets long and nobody wants to watch it.
The problem is most spools have a corner where the line snags. I put a piece of tape over the corner. But that only works if you can put the tape neatly - otherwise the line will snag on the tape. The other way is even without tape, if you hold the tip of the rod above the part of the spool that is getting snagged. The line needs to come slack right where the snag is. I do it without tape any more, just hold the rod right over the part that snags.. But it takes some practice to figure out a smooth way.
@@ifishcatfish What do you think of using some vertical axle to keep the spool spinning flat ? Would that compromise the process ? Also, do you recommend to hold the Rodolphe on top of the spool or more on the side ? Thanks for your awesome videos, by the way...
Great Video Victor, much appreciated.
JDM Line label Down. Any other, label up?
Thank you
no, there is JDM with label up too. U have to go by 321
@@ifishcatfish Thanks Victor!!
Quality material Always
Hi Victor, when spooling up Ester line what knot do you use to tie to the reel arbor before you begin spooling? And another question? Do you apply tension when spooling up Ester line or just spool up regular? Thank you sir 👍
this is hard to describe in post. But i will make a video.
@@ifishcatfish that would be awesome! Thank you!!
OMG Ive never had issues spooling a spinning reel so I dont normally watch these videos but soaking line, conditioners and those crazy contraptions arent needed. LOL
indeed .. : ) . But now that you've seen this video, go and search some videos on this topic and go watch some and you will see what i mean...
@@ifishcatfish This is one of the reasons I subscribe to you. You will tell the truth and I find your dry humor to be funny.
i literally pis my self from laughing on the Spanish tourcher machine, this is why baitcaster is they way to go
yeah, no line twist in baitcasters. I have no choice though, there is no baitcaster for 1 gram jigs..
So are you telling me that even though the supply spool is much larger and the line coming off makes only one revolution compared to the reel spool makeing 2 or 3 revolutions does not matter? I believe zero twist would be a 1 to 1 ratio with both spools the same diameter. When fishing the line is not coming off the spool the same way it went on. Say you bought a new 100' extersion cord and was a 1 or 1 1/2' diameter coil and you rewound it in a much tighter diameter you will fight with twist. Another thought - reeling in line while the drag is active, the spool rotating with no line coming in will cause line twist which means the spinning reel by it's design causes line twist. Your thoughts?
Going from big coils to small coils obviously does not create twist. Yes, you tighten the coils, but you are not twisting the line. The vendors make the spools big on purpose, so you can tighten them and form coils around your own spool. The torture machines for comparison feed straight line to the line roller, and now the line needs to be bent to form NEW coils. After using torture machines you have to leave the reel for a week before fishing, so the straight line can form memory around the new coils.
The second question is not related to this video and I am not going to answer it because once you go on a tangent you forget what the title of this video is. But coincidentally the video i am releasing tomorrow talks about that, so maybe check it out, but in this video i want to discuss only this topic
Another good vid but my line problems still are not solved. Since mfg’s don’t include spare spools anymore, how do you determine how much mono backer to put on a reel so that 150 yds of braid will fill the spool? I hate burning up 300 yds of braid every time I fill my 2000/2500 reels.
Is there relief for this greedy plot to take our money and waste line?
there is a way but its too complicated. But I do this so often that i eyeball it pretty close now. Also, you only have to eyeball it once. Then keep the same backing forever
@@ifishcatfish thanks, common sense wins!
Where did u order those lines from? What website or whatever?
Varivas sent me some products to test. There is a video on my channel from a few weeks ago with unboxing and their website. The gosen i got off ebay, i think, as i didn't find it anywhere.
can we do this with baitcaster?
No. For baitcaster just hold spool vertical. Put a pen through the spool so it stays vertical. Don't dip in water and sh1t
Victor you have to put a quartz crystal in the water with the line and soak it under a full moon....That's the only way to do it if you cant get a JuJu fruit from the Galápagos' Island.
Actually I just put it on with no thought or system and expect it to be slightly unruly until I fish it a few times and try to make very long casts when first using. Its like it needs to settle in....?
Long first cast can help remove all twist, if you did it wrong. But if you leave the new line on the spool for too long, then it will deform and start to build the line twist in its memory. There is definitely benefit in doing it this way. The line will never jump.
@@ifishcatfish I definitely will be using the 321 method you covered. I also use the loop method on my reels, even baitcasters. You have to take the spoon out the side plate to get it on, Not my idea but that is how my father taught me.
So basically counter clock-wise?
Yes. But i have found that people have trouble remembering that word
Hey, have you watched shimano's new reel, complex xr c2000 f4?
yes. im gona get it just because it looks nice. But if the gears are rough again...
@@ifishcatfish if that model is made in Japan, I think there's nothing to worry about
why would that matter for roughness?
@@ifishcatfish nothing much, just hoping the Japan quality control is is better than Malaysian one
i dont think thats quality control. Every Vanford 2000 size is rough, i tried a dozen already. If it was quality control at least one would be smooth. I think the idle gears in the Vanford are different compared to the more expensive models
Basically what you're saying is to make sure the line is coming off the spool in a counter-clockwise rotation. Also, it should be noted that both Daiwa and Shimano instructions for loading spinning reels is to hold the main spool with a pencil in a vertical position ( like you would for a baitcaster) and to make sure the line comes off from the bottom of the main spool. Just sayin'.
yes, counter clock wise, but this doesn't sound nice and is not easy to remember. I don't recommend holding the spool vertical, especially with stiff line. It will want to jump, as you are making coils from straight line. If you do it as described in the video, the line will come out of the spool not in a straight line, but in coils, and the coils are in the same direction as they will lay on your spool.
Holding the spool vertical can also work if your line is soft, or if you keep it for a week on the spool before fishing, so the straight line can form memory for the new coils. It will definitely work for braid. But it will NOT work for these polyester lines i am using.
But Victor, what if I have my reel in reverse? 😂
Im trying to imagine that bit i cant : )
Ok but just as a yes or no. The spanish inquisition machine works or not??🤔
Does he mean the line needs to be coming off counter clockwise?
OMG this video is making me laugh. This is the ONLY video that uses the exact same spool knot method
I use. A super simple knot to use and self tightening. I use the same knot on my mooring lines. Must be a european thing cause my dad showed me this.
Although it will slip using braid. Then I use a thin piece Scotch double face tape on the spool.
nobody should use braid for fishing. Braid is for sawing clothes.
I want to hear your opinion on my gloves when u get them. I think u will like them. I think my gloves are better than anything out of Japan. I also think the same about my floats, Japan for some reason has no good floats, only some weird stuff. Best floats i've seen are in Russia
@@ifishcatfish 🤣
@@ifishcatfish Some of your viewers may fish for bass like myself on heavier gear and will use braid and need to know how to apply it to the spool. Why do you dislike braid? Polyester line is streach free as well. You use Polyester for carp?
0:50 "Putin" line on the reel... I thought he was in Russia! lol 🙂
What about backing?
Fishing line doesn't need 'backing'. If you want to put some cheap line on the bottom of the spool so u don't use that much expensive line, just put it the same way. Most ultralight reels have very shallow spools and there is no need for cheap line on the bottom.
I will be using very thin one :) 0,07mm or 0,2 by Japan
@@Shavrovas2 if u are putting braid, just hold the spool vertically
So in other words line comes off the spool anti clockwise
yes. but thats easy to confuse with clockwise in your memory. while my rule gets burned in your brain and u remember it forever
I have to confess that I fell prey to those spooler scams. It's the perfect trap for people who overthink things. Really, why does the spool have to rotate upon 2 axes in order for the line to come off in the same direction that your rotor is turning? But probably worse than that is when we think we just prevented line twist forever.
*But probably worse than that is when we think we just prevented line twist forever.*
If the source of the line and the destination of the line are both rotating the same direction it will minimize twist.
Im only 3 mins in and I've laughed a lot. These "Spanish Inquisition torture devices"😂😂😂 look very stupid yes and are a total waste of money and carbon emissions.
don't get me started on carbon emissions
I-fish, you are wrong, that way the line is perfect in your reel but when the line is coming out is twisted and we need the line straight when we are fishing . you have to read the factory advice, reel the line coming straight and twisted in the reel
Sorry for my english
i am aware of the factory advice but you rewrite all the memory of the spool. You are trying to bend all of the line on 90 degrees and it doesn't want to, and tends to jump. Also, if u think about the twist u create when the drag is slipping, it is opposite to this twist, so in a way it straightens it.
2:23 my god they aren’t even spooling that reel up the right way 🤦🏻
they almost never do. You would think they would try to do it right at least while they are demonstrating
The only one talking nonsense is YOU. You come across as a closed minded old man who is stuck in his old ways and is not open to new technologies. If you don't like modern ways that's fine but you don't need to lie and be critical of other people that do. I have used the Piscifun line spooler and it definitely works. Have you actually tried it ? Also, you are wrong about soaking in water. I have personally run tests on soaking line and a short soak in water ABSOLUTELY softens the line and does help somewhat with line twist. It will not eliminate it, but it does help.
Technology?? From PISCIFUN??? Are you out of your mind? Now if Shimano release that product i would give it a thought..
And like you said yourself, soaking in water does not do anything about twist. Soaking in hot water WILL temporarily soften your line, but if you did that with a twisted line, when the line dries, it will feel horrible. I don't want to argue with you because if anyone believes soaking in water can fix this, we cannot possible use the same arguments in debate
@i_fish You are obviously too old and set in your ways to be reasonable and open to new things. I wouldn't be surprised if you still have a horse and buggy instead of a car. Enjoy.
well... i do wish i were younger..
@@ifishcatfish Don't we all.