I just bought the Ultegra that you reviewed a while back and I’m blown away.. Line lay is so much better than my Exceller. What a reel! I’m so stoked man you could not believe. Love ❤
the exceller line lay should be exactly as what you see on this picture here... If worse than that, maybe you put line too thick or some other issue. But i have a bunch of excellers and there is nothing wrong with their line lay... its not as good as Ultegra or any shimano, but its still just fine..
I miss some of Daiwa's old reels that does come with worm gears. The line lays are still top notch, but yeah, any Shimano spinning reels that comes with worm gears are almost perfect when it comes to line laying. Wish some of Daiwa's new high-end reels will go back to worm gears. I don't mind the over size drive gears, but a lot of the times, it's a ball bearing issue and not the gears if fished correctly. I have almost all of the high-end spinning reels. But still can't wait to get my hands on the new 23 Stradic M series in the next couple months. A bit heavy, but super solid in performance. Great video Victor. Keep em coming.
Great vid! My only suggestion is to test the lines with the knots used while fishing, and to compare the strength with the initial test this gives a better overall idea of line quality as not all knot the same. Thanks keep up the content of great quality gear!
everyone uses different knots and everyone ties them differently. Most people know that the knot will reduce the breaking strength. As a matter of fact, at the end of the video i recommend always tying a leader just so u control where the line breaks when u get hung..
This video could not have come out at a better time, just got a presso reel and im pairing it with an presso imprimi. I will just go with the neo orange.
Hey mate, just wanted to mention, you were right, lol. On the Exist SF, it is true that it's a more finesse Exist, but more so in terms of just being a smaller lighter reel, however it really isn't that much more "free" to turn 😂. I'd say it's on par with the new Vanquish, infact the 1000ssspg Vanquish is already about the same size as the 1000 SF to be honest, and despite being double the price the SF doesn't have any ultralight advantage. I think at this point the only real reason to go there in terms of if you care about performance and nothing else (as of course the Exist is still the higher quality reel which many people value), then the only real upgrade is to go an Exist Sensitive tuned by SLP (where you either send yours to them and they rework it to reduce inertia and resistance, or you buy the SLP semi order exist direct from them and select to have the sensitive tune body whilst building it on their website). If you ain't gonna do that, the Vanquish has the same performance for half the price. And yes, SLP are offering a Sensitive tune service for the SF too, which is all I really needed to say 😂.
thats the first feedback i get on this reel. Where are u from? Why don't u send me one for review? : ) Do u remember 2017 Presso Limited? I said many videos ago that i am waiting for 2024 Presso Limited, that will be based on that Exist SF, but completely stripped of Magseal and with some lighter grease. Just like the current Presso is a Luvias stripped out of Magseal and with lighter grease. Same but with the Exist SF. Maybe some downgrade on something that doesn't matter, so to bring the price down to $500...
@@ifishcatfish Would be the dream, Daiwa definitely have the facilities to do it. The manufacturing quality of their Japanese made reels is unmatched (only Stella FK compares), but they just don't seem to care as much for the UL anglers as they used to, which hurts them no doubt. I mean imagine if they just made a zero inertia/resistance Airity, no magseal some light grease and maybe some special low friction bearings, even that would be an absolutely perfect UL reel... It's such a big miss. I'm always torn in this argument because personally it urks me that the Vanquish just isn't there in terms of how good reels can feel, but for ultralight it has the performance everyone wants, so it's always a toss up that the Vanquish usually wins purely based on that factor, a Daiwa actually focused on perfecting free spinning would make it easier. Again they can do it, the SLP sensitive tuned reels are legit exactly that, and SLP are a part of Daiwa themselves haha, but they need to stop doing it that way and just make a reel exactly like it from stock, like they did with the Presso LTD and 17 Steez, but with all the new tech (as much as I love the Presso LTD it's hard to deny that it does feel kinda dated at the point).
@@cozab5487 im pissed they didnt put the stella gears in the vanquish. The stella gears feel like heaven and every angler would pay $30 more. I see the cost of the stella gears is just a little higher …
Hello Mr. Vic.. definitely food for thought as I continue my ultralight journey.. ? If I may, I’m a beginner at this UL, my Presso 1000sz just came in, and I got 2 spools of that Varivas ES2, how do I know the correct amount of backing to apply,…. Thnx
first of all, GET RID OF PHOBIAS that u can do this wrong! If u do no backing line at all, it will still cast pretty much perfect, because the spool is so shallow. If you look at bass anglers with the deep spools, they always leave a lot of space under the spool, much more than this completely empty spool. So its more important not to overfill it. You cannot underfill it. One crank of the handle puts about 3.5 feet of line, so 20 cranks of the handle will be about 70 feet. Thats about enough. Make sure your backing line is NO MORE than 0.15mm, so not to bunch up at the end
Any chance you have fished with the SOS line from Lelands? If so, do you consider it trash compared to the Varivas lines? I have a spool I picked up because it was $5 but dont want to lose a nice trout this season due to bad line.
Its not trash at all, its pretty reliable. Its kind of thick for diameter, and very stretchy, but otherwise reliable. I wouldnt use it for sensitivity applications, but for float fishing ot swimbait fishing its totally fine
@@ifishcatfish I found this on Daiwa site A maximized core diameter and reversed taper mean 100% useable line, with no more "dead" line buried in a deep core. You can fill it with line right up to the edge of the spool lip without fear of tangles. The ABS reverse tapered design causes less casting friction for longer and easier casting.
In contrast to classic cylindrical spool designs, ABS spools are tapered to limit the risks of tangling on the cast. What’s more, the lip reduces friction to boost casting distance. The new ABSII design has been optimised to let you reach record distances on the cast. @@ifishcatfish
@@exitar1 No, you will not get any records with any daiwa reel! The reason they went with this reverse taper is because they can't lay the line flat on the first place. The line on the bottom of the spool has a DIP in front of it, if you can imagine that, and its very easy for the coils at the back of the spool to slip out. Shimano doesn't have this problem! But daiwa does. To compensate for that, they came up with this stupid reverse taper desin, so the coils on the back of the spool don't just fall off the spool. Then, to hide and justify all of this, they write this marketing nonsense. The truth is that even the Exist cannot cast as far a Ultegra.
Great video! I just bought my first UL rod (Yamage Blue Current III) and am pairing with a 1000 Exceler. I am new to this area and it seems like ester line to fluro is the way to go if I am using small jugs in 2-20ft of water. I like high-vi line for tracking however want to avoid break offs which I think will happen a bit as I learn proper technique. Is there a thicker gauge ester line than a 2.3lb you might recommend? Does Varivas have a 3 or 3.5lb? Thanks
I don't recommend Ester line for beginners. It is very difficult to use and very brittle. U can use your high viz line as long as it is THIN, no more than 0.14mm. I don't care for pounds, don't tell me pounds, found nylon or fluorocarbon less than 0.14mm and u can use high viz, nothing wrong with that. I use Ester for sensitivity, not for strength. Strength of ester is very poor, compared to nylon and FC
@ifishcatfish Thanks for the note here, much appreciated. Perhaps by best option it seems is for a high quality Varivas braid 4-5lb as they are thin and keep up the sensitivity, then to pair with a high quality shock nylon leader for starting out then fluoro. Once I get more experience I'll look forward to trying my hand with ester!
@@garethmorris2042 I don't know why people NEVER EVER accept simple advice! Never once! Unless u give them some complicated and expensive advice, they think you are shorting them. I gave u my advice. If u want to learn things yourself, go spend $50 on Varivas braid, and come back and report here your experience in a few months.
@ifishcatfish Thanks. Yes I will steer clear from ester for a while and will take your advice. If you also think a tougher braid is a bad idea, which line would you recommend I start with? I did buy a 2lb Leland nylon just to see how thin it was, and was going to use it for my daughter's reel, perhaps I should just spool that up first before I try jdm options.
i want to recommend again what i said in my first post. It is very simple and affordable and easy to fish. I didn't say anything about tough braid-don't know where u got that. And i don't know the diameter of that SOS line, but your commend is kind of condescending about it, saying that it is not good enough for you, but for your daughter. All of your posts have this kind of demeanor. That yhou are too good for simple tackle. If that is the case, you need a higher quality advice than what i can offer
yes, i have used one of their PEX8 that cost about that much. Good line, casts great, sensitive and all that, but i don't like the feel of braid and i gave it away to subscriber
@@ifishcatfish hmm alright, I think I’ll use a 3lb leader then as that’s what my rod maxes out on. Also what kinda of leader knot do you tie? Would an Alberto knot work for connecting polyester to fluoro?
you can use 100 pounds leader, that has nothing to do with the rod ratings : ) If the rod says 3lb line max, that means thicker line will not be able to go through the guides. This is PURELY about the diameter of the guides... but the leader will not go through guides, if u put only 2 feet or so..
@@ifishcatfish oh I did not know that. I always thought the line rating is there to tell you what line strength would break just before the rod would. Thanks for the information! The diameter of the guides on my rod are very small so what you said makes sense. thank you!
Not Miravel, Ultegra is the first reel with perfect line lay. Miravel has the same locomotive oscillation as daiwa. Ultegra is the cheapest shimano reel with oscillation worm. Miravel is alright, but not comparable to Ultegra
@@ifishcatfish I guess I was lucky, then. I don’t do a lot of ultra light fishing, and mostly use large salt water tackle. However, I fish for trout throughout the winter season, and have 2 Miravel spinners that I use for that, exclusively. Both the 1k and 2k Miravels I own have absolute perfect line lay, when I use the 6lb Sufix 832 braid. PS. I watched your drag modification video, and it reminded me that my favorite drag sound (by far) is in the Shimano Saragosa SW. that thing is so crisp and loud…! Completely different clicker system, altogether.
there is no luck in the line lay.. Miravel will always be concave like Daiwa, and Ultegra will always be flat. Its not bad, there is nothing wrong with it, but Miravel is just not flat.
I do check my blood pressure regularly! :) So far its fine.. 4-6 lb line will not go through the guides of this specific rod, but my catfish and carp tackle is loaded with 6lb mono!
thats not how reels work. Line twist is your fault, but u can't control where the line goes on the spool. Thanks for the comment. I bet there was 100 people who liked the video but were too lazy to leave a comment, but you did. I will take it.
They have better knot strength ,abrasion resistance, they stretch more, come in clear or colors, they also have less memory and are much less money... @ifishcatfish
@@exitar1 my advice to you is, Say No to Bullshit! Copolymer is the new and modern name for nylon/monofilament. I dont mind using nylon/monofilament for float fishing, where sensitivity and stretch don't matter, but for swimbaits i still want decent sensitivity and low stretch. Also, fluorocarbon is a little heavier and helps run on the bottom. Also it is thinner than all those nylons. Copolymer is a fake category and companies resort to that because these days it is very hard to sell good old nylon to people
That's a good tip on the leader. Hadn't thought of it that way. Thanks!
yup, you can control where the line breaks when u snag..
Thank you Captain. Good stuff.
I just bought the Ultegra that you reviewed a while back and I’m blown away.. Line lay is so much better than my Exceller. What a reel! I’m so stoked man you could not believe. Love ❤
the exceller line lay should be exactly as what you see on this picture here... If worse than that, maybe you put line too thick or some other issue. But i have a bunch of excellers and there is nothing wrong with their line lay... its not as good as Ultegra or any shimano, but its still just fine..
I miss some of Daiwa's old reels that does come with worm gears. The line lays are still top notch, but yeah, any Shimano spinning reels that comes with worm gears are almost perfect when it comes to line laying. Wish some of Daiwa's new high-end reels will go back to worm gears. I don't mind the over size drive gears, but a lot of the times, it's a ball bearing issue and not the gears if fished correctly. I have almost all of the high-end spinning reels. But still can't wait to get my hands on the new 23 Stradic M series in the next couple months. A bit heavy, but super solid in performance. Great video Victor. Keep em coming.
its marketing wars. If either of them changes their line lay, it would be admitting that they were wrong and the other guy was right.
Hey Victor over here in Fly Fishing Poly Leaders are used but with either fluorocarbon tippets.
Thanks for doing the experimentation on fishing lines, so we do not have to An important public service message. :)
thanks Gary
Great vid! My only suggestion is to test the lines with the knots used while fishing, and to compare the strength with the initial test this gives a better overall idea of line quality as not all knot the same. Thanks keep up the content of great quality gear!
everyone uses different knots and everyone ties them differently. Most people know that the knot will reduce the breaking strength. As a matter of fact, at the end of the video i recommend always tying a leader just so u control where the line breaks when u get hung..
This video could not have come out at a better time, just got a presso reel and im pairing it with an presso imprimi. I will just go with the neo orange.
well, i hope u can control your nerves..
Hey mate, just wanted to mention, you were right, lol. On the Exist SF, it is true that it's a more finesse Exist, but more so in terms of just being a smaller lighter reel, however it really isn't that much more "free" to turn 😂. I'd say it's on par with the new Vanquish, infact the 1000ssspg Vanquish is already about the same size as the 1000 SF to be honest, and despite being double the price the SF doesn't have any ultralight advantage. I think at this point the only real reason to go there in terms of if you care about performance and nothing else (as of course the Exist is still the higher quality reel which many people value), then the only real upgrade is to go an Exist Sensitive tuned by SLP (where you either send yours to them and they rework it to reduce inertia and resistance, or you buy the SLP semi order exist direct from them and select to have the sensitive tune body whilst building it on their website). If you ain't gonna do that, the Vanquish has the same performance for half the price. And yes, SLP are offering a Sensitive tune service for the SF too, which is all I really needed to say 😂.
thats the first feedback i get on this reel. Where are u from? Why don't u send me one for review? : )
Do u remember 2017 Presso Limited? I said many videos ago that i am waiting for 2024 Presso Limited, that will be based on that Exist SF, but completely stripped of Magseal and with some lighter grease. Just like the current Presso is a Luvias stripped out of Magseal and with lighter grease. Same but with the Exist SF. Maybe some downgrade on something that doesn't matter, so to bring the price down to $500...
@@ifishcatfish Would be the dream, Daiwa definitely have the facilities to do it. The manufacturing quality of their Japanese made reels is unmatched (only Stella FK compares), but they just don't seem to care as much for the UL anglers as they used to, which hurts them no doubt.
I mean imagine if they just made a zero inertia/resistance Airity, no magseal some light grease and maybe some special low friction bearings, even that would be an absolutely perfect UL reel... It's such a big miss. I'm always torn in this argument because personally it urks me that the Vanquish just isn't there in terms of how good reels can feel, but for ultralight it has the performance everyone wants, so it's always a toss up that the Vanquish usually wins purely based on that factor, a Daiwa actually focused on perfecting free spinning would make it easier.
Again they can do it, the SLP sensitive tuned reels are legit exactly that, and SLP are a part of Daiwa themselves haha, but they need to stop doing it that way and just make a reel exactly like it from stock, like they did with the Presso LTD and 17 Steez, but with all the new tech (as much as I love the Presso LTD it's hard to deny that it does feel kinda dated at the point).
@@cozab5487 im pissed they didnt put the stella gears in the vanquish. The stella gears feel like heaven and every angler would pay $30 more. I see the cost of the stella gears is just a little higher …
Hello Mr. Vic.. definitely food for thought as I continue my ultralight journey.. ? If I may, I’m a beginner at this UL, my Presso 1000sz just came in, and I got 2 spools of that Varivas ES2, how do I know the correct amount of backing to apply,…. Thnx
first of all, GET RID OF PHOBIAS that u can do this wrong! If u do no backing line at all, it will still cast pretty much perfect, because the spool is so shallow. If you look at bass anglers with the deep spools, they always leave a lot of space under the spool, much more than this completely empty spool.
So its more important not to overfill it. You cannot underfill it. One crank of the handle puts about 3.5 feet of line, so 20 cranks of the handle will be about 70 feet. Thats about enough. Make sure your backing line is NO MORE than 0.15mm, so not to bunch up at the end
Any chance you have fished with the SOS line from Lelands? If so, do you consider it trash compared to the Varivas lines? I have a spool I picked up because it was $5 but dont want to lose a nice trout this season due to bad line.
Its not trash at all, its pretty reliable. Its kind of thick for diameter, and very stretchy, but otherwise reliable. I wouldnt use it for sensitivity applications, but for float fishing ot swimbait fishing its totally fine
Can you explain how Daiwa’s reverse taper spool works for better casts?
It doesnt. It reduces line slipping out and making nests.
@@ifishcatfish I found this on Daiwa site
A maximized core diameter and reversed taper mean 100% useable line, with no more "dead" line buried in a deep core. You can fill it with line right up to the edge of the spool lip without fear of tangles. The ABS reverse tapered design causes less casting friction for longer and easier casting.
@@exitar1 like i said, it reduces slipping out since the line is its own brake. But doesn't increase distance. If anything it reduces it
In contrast to classic cylindrical spool designs, ABS spools are tapered to limit the risks of tangling on the cast. What’s more, the lip reduces friction to boost casting distance.
The new ABSII design has been optimised to let you reach record distances on the cast.
@@ifishcatfish
@@exitar1 No, you will not get any records with any daiwa reel! The reason they went with this reverse taper is because they can't lay the line flat on the first place. The line on the bottom of the spool has a DIP in front of it, if you can imagine that, and its very easy for the coils at the back of the spool to slip out. Shimano doesn't have this problem! But daiwa does. To compensate for that, they came up with this stupid reverse taper desin, so the coils on the back of the spool don't just fall off the spool. Then, to hide and justify all of this, they write this marketing nonsense. The truth is that even the Exist cannot cast as far a Ultegra.
Great video! I just bought my first UL rod (Yamage Blue Current III) and am pairing with a 1000 Exceler. I am new to this area and it seems like ester line to fluro is the way to go if I am using small jugs in 2-20ft of water. I like high-vi line for tracking however want to avoid break offs which I think will happen a bit as I learn proper technique. Is there a thicker gauge ester line than a 2.3lb you might recommend? Does Varivas have a 3 or 3.5lb? Thanks
I don't recommend Ester line for beginners. It is very difficult to use and very brittle. U can use your high viz line as long as it is THIN, no more than 0.14mm. I don't care for pounds, don't tell me pounds, found nylon or fluorocarbon less than 0.14mm and u can use high viz, nothing wrong with that. I use Ester for sensitivity, not for strength. Strength of ester is very poor, compared to nylon and FC
@ifishcatfish Thanks for the note here, much appreciated. Perhaps by best option it seems is for a high quality Varivas braid 4-5lb as they are thin and keep up the sensitivity, then to pair with a high quality shock nylon leader for starting out then fluoro. Once I get more experience I'll look forward to trying my hand with ester!
@@garethmorris2042 I don't know why people NEVER EVER accept simple advice! Never once! Unless u give them some complicated and expensive advice, they think you are shorting them. I gave u my advice. If u want to learn things yourself, go spend $50 on Varivas braid, and come back and report here your experience in a few months.
@ifishcatfish Thanks. Yes I will steer clear from ester for a while and will take your advice. If you also think a tougher braid is a bad idea, which line would you recommend I start with? I did buy a 2lb Leland nylon just to see how thin it was, and was going to use it for my daughter's reel, perhaps I should just spool that up first before I try jdm options.
i want to recommend again what i said in my first post. It is very simple and affordable and easy to fish. I didn't say anything about tough braid-don't know where u got that. And i don't know the diameter of that SOS line, but your commend is kind of condescending about it, saying that it is not good enough for you, but for your daughter. All of your posts have this kind of demeanor. That yhou are too good for simple tackle. If that is the case, you need a higher quality advice than what i can offer
Hey Vic, what backing line did you use? was it the same line (Absolute AAA)?
i use cheap ebay lines for backing, no name.. Unless i have leftovers from some other spool..
U ever used 5.6 lbs braid line varivas saltwater finesse pe x8 it’s # 0.2 for bluegill or crappie it’s like $66-$74
yes, i have used one of their PEX8 that cost about that much. Good line, casts great, sensitive and all that, but i don't like the feel of braid and i gave it away to subscriber
@@ifishcatfishwas ist das Gefühl von Zopf?
@@troutfishingnorth ich scprechen sie deutche nicht
Sie mögen das Gefühl von Ester?
Es ist leiser!?
So for bluegill you use that orange line without a fluoro leader? I’m looking to try it but I’m not sure if I should use leader or not
ALWAYS leader, on any line, no exceptions.
@@ifishcatfish hmm alright, I think I’ll use a 3lb leader then as that’s what my rod maxes out on. Also what kinda of leader knot do you tie? Would an Alberto knot work for connecting polyester to fluoro?
you can use 100 pounds leader, that has nothing to do with the rod ratings : )
If the rod says 3lb line max, that means thicker line will not be able to go through the guides. This is PURELY about the diameter of the guides... but the leader will not go through guides, if u put only 2 feet or so..
@@ifishcatfish oh I did not know that. I always thought the line rating is there to tell you what line strength would break just before the rod would. Thanks for the information! The diameter of the guides on my rod are very small so what you said makes sense. thank you!
What are your thoughts on the 500 size reels?
only for ice fishing
Do you recommend braids for Legalis LT 2023?
i dont recommend braids for anything at all
Nobody does line-lay like a mid-high range Shimano.
Even my Miravel lays it perfectly. At that price point, it’s quite a feat (apparently).
Not Miravel, Ultegra is the first reel with perfect line lay. Miravel has the same locomotive oscillation as daiwa. Ultegra is the cheapest shimano reel with oscillation worm. Miravel is alright, but not comparable to Ultegra
@@ifishcatfish I guess I was lucky, then.
I don’t do a lot of ultra light fishing, and mostly use large salt water tackle.
However, I fish for trout throughout the winter season, and have 2 Miravel spinners that I use for that, exclusively.
Both the 1k and 2k Miravels I own have absolute perfect line lay, when I use the 6lb Sufix 832 braid.
PS.
I watched your drag modification video, and it reminded me that my favorite drag sound (by far) is in the Shimano Saragosa SW. that thing is so crisp and loud…!
Completely different clicker system, altogether.
there is no luck in the line lay.. Miravel will always be concave like Daiwa, and Ultegra will always be flat. Its not bad, there is nothing wrong with it, but Miravel is just not flat.
Curve winding because of backing.
How so??
It looks like you over filled the spool…
Not really
'Not really' is how i would put it too
You should have your blood pressure checked regularly. You sweat the small stuff way to extreme. Free yourself Victor, but 4-6lb 😊
I do check my blood pressure regularly! :) So far its fine..
4-6 lb line will not go through the guides of this specific rod, but my catfish and carp tackle is loaded with 6lb mono!
.5 kilo on the orange line should be 1.8#....
no, the orange breaks 25% under what label says.. and thats brand new, on the bench, not in the water
Is your line lay maybe you're fault from your spooling technique?
Just sayin!
thats not how reels work. Line twist is your fault, but u can't control where the line goes on the spool. Thanks for the comment. I bet there was 100 people who liked the video but were too lazy to leave a comment, but you did. I will take it.
Just say no to fluorocarbon fishing line, copolymers are better…
teach me about copolymers, WHY are they better?
Why better? I am curious too :) which copolymer do you use?
They have better knot strength ,abrasion resistance, they stretch more, come in clear or colors, they also have less memory and are much less money... @ifishcatfish
Sufix Tritainium plus, Trilene Sensation, Gamma High Performance...@@garylake998
@@exitar1 my advice to you is, Say No to Bullshit! Copolymer is the new and modern name for nylon/monofilament. I dont mind using nylon/monofilament for float fishing, where sensitivity and stretch don't matter, but for swimbaits i still want decent sensitivity and low stretch. Also, fluorocarbon is a little heavier and helps run on the bottom. Also it is thinner than all those nylons. Copolymer is a fake category and companies resort to that because these days it is very hard to sell good old nylon to people