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It's called the film that almost killed Disney, but how much of this animated black sheep is good and how much is not? The Nostalgia Critic takes a look at 1985's Black Cauldron.
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The Black Cauldron is a 1985 American animated adventure fantasy film produced by Walt Disney Feature Animation in association with Silver Screen Partners II and released by Walt Disney Pictures. The 25th Disney animated feature film, it is loosely based on the first two books in The Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander, a series of five novels that are, in turn, based on Welsh mythology.
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1:55 - 2:05 Oh, you just earned a spot on my s#*& list, Doug! FIEVAL, NO!!
Where did Malcom go?
you should do a review RV with Robin Williams
where Malcolm go
Id probably have given Tamara just a couple more lines but all in all this really feels like the NC I know and love let’s keep up this momentum this is the minimum amount of sketches I expect in an NC episode good work
Gurgi is Jar-Jar's voice crossed with Golum's mannerisms and proportions grafted onto an ewok.
Ah, the three best-known and best-loved pop culture characters.
Voiced by a drunk Donald Duck.
Luigicat11 😂😂😂
I'll take an entire trilogy on Jar Jar rather than see Gurgi for another minute. Jar Jar at least made me laugh 1 joke out of 10, Gorgi is consistently annoying throughout.
Makes sense knowing that Andy Serkis (the guy who played Golem) was inspired by Gurgi in this movie...... I'm not even kidding.
If he wanted to be specific, "swine" would be a better word to use than "pig".
Just call it something magical sounding like "the seer" or "the seance"
@@slevinchannel7589
I thought were talking about the pig
Or even just “the beast” make it sound super impersonal
It is even funnier in finnish: "possu"
I was not really bothered but "swine" would have been fine
Fun fact, my dad saw this in theaters because he liked the book it was based on. He was unimpressed and I wouldn't see it for myself until I was 21.
you mean the book of three? yeah i read it its such a good read....unlike this
Frozen doesn't even try to like the books it's based on.
It's scary I don't like this film. It should of never been made for children
Yeah, as usual, the books are much better.
Everyone in comments: Gorgi sounds like Gollum/jar jar
Me: Gorgi sounds like Stitch after smoking whole cigarett factory
But he does have some similar speech patterns.
and in the books he IS Gollum
He sounds like Jar Jar if he inhaled a whole big tank of helium.
You got me wheezing at 12 am
@@LadyOnikara And got covered in honey and hair like Doofenshmirtz at the end of that one episode of Phineas and Ferb (where Candace has a bad haircut and the two of them have to fix it before she has to attend a benefit).
Out of all the Disney movies that are being remade this is the one that really needs it.
Only if it’s animated, and not Lion King remake pretending to be live action.
I wholeheartedly agree!!! It's overdue!
EgotisticalGhost I think a live action adaptation that stuck to the source material could really work. Sadly, that probably wouldn’t be what we would get. Another studio could probably do it better.
And unfortunately that's the one we can be all pretty sure we aren't getting
No! No more remakes! For the love of all that is Disney, PLEASE no more remakes 😭😭😭
According to sources online, some of the deleted scenes involved:
Graphic violence
A man literally having his flesh and muscle disolved leaving a zombie skeleton
A much longer fight between Taran and the horned king
A half naked Eilonwy due to her dress being torn while hanging on a ledge.
This movie's dark, but it was meant to be darker
There should be an extended edition.
I guess it was too dark for colorful pg Disney.
That last one i would find hard to believe, but then again we also have the little mermaid getting away with that once Ariel turned human...
@@GarryDKing Maybe the difference is that while they both are children, Ariel is 16 while Ellowny is 12.
@@Moonlitwatersofaqua wait Ellowny is 12?
If they're going to remake this, as some people are suggesting, they should really go back to the source material, The Chronicles of Prydain series, by Lloyd Alexander, an excellent Young Adult fantasy series. The Disney movie is a mish-mash of elements from the first two books, The Book of Three and The Black Cauldron. It explains a lot of things, like why Eilonwy is considered a princess. If the names seem odd, that's because the author mainly drew them from Welsh mythology and legend, which inspired much of the rest of the feel of the series.
Eh, GENUINLY thought the movie was better. Particularily the villain. (I mean, have you SEEN the OG art of The Horned King? and the other villains in the series aren't quite as good as the king either)
Pretty sure that's the plan.
I absolutely love the chronicles of Prydain! They are such great books! And Taran actually did something😂
To make good movies from good Books means keeping a balance between, what has to Be changed, and what Must not. They did a good Job in Lord of the Rings and a Bad one on the Hobbit ( though some scenes remained pretty awesome). To Change things is absolutely neccesary, it‘s all about keeping the spirit of the original in Every Adaptation alive, not holding on to every Little detail.
im gonna be honest i enjoyed this movie as a kid more than mulan or alladin. please dont murder me in my sleep.
Gurgi may be annoying as hell, but honestly, the fact that he selflessly sacrificed his life to save the world deserves some respect.
No it doesn’t
@@Pizza-gremlin AHAHAHA 😭
gurgi is so much better in the book
He grew on me
well.. it was a relief that he died. but goddamn he came squeeling back. :@
"Well nobody likes black caulron, but that doesn't mean you don't like black cauldron."
"What the HELL does that mean!?"
I died of laughter at that moment.
It's complicated
For me it was Malcolm at 21:36 , he's becoming my favorite part of those critics ^^
"But Dolbin, why won't you come with me?"
"Rrrrrreumatism!!!!!"
Did only I expect this?
Nope. XD
That's exactly what I was thinking of when the Critic remarked on that part. Unfortunately, he thinks that his fans are sick of his older memes.
@@DeltaSpider_ Yes, key words being "he thinks".
what about lumbago this is a serious disease
Yep
I think it would have made more sense for Taran to sacrifice himself it would have made his character come full circle and he would have actually become a hero like he wanted.
"They're very merrily getting away!" That's the only way I _want_ to get away.
The water hurting the Horned King implies he's a Lich, which can can hurt by water.
Man, this movie will always be a childhood favourite, but I really didn't notice how annoying Gurgi was when I was four.
"You bring news, of the cookies"
"You bring news, of Wala-Wala Washington"
"You bring news, of the Nummy Muffin cocoa butter"
😂😂😂
You bring news of the death of Luke Perry!
You bring news of the upcoming Elton John biopic Rocketman!
You bring news of the series finale of You're the Worst.
You bring news, of the Gummi Bears
You bring news, of Ponyville
You bring news, of the Gnomes
You bring news, of Blue's Clue
You bring news, of the Care Bears
@@enderfire1st_404 The last one is the absolute best because I know absolutely that was said officially in some form of media
"You bring news... of the puppy?"
"You bring news... of the chocolate pudding?"
"You bring news... of the pogo sticks?"
"You bring news... of the berri-?"
*Wood Nymph voice in the distance* "MY BERRIES????"
You bring news, of Fflewdurr Fflamm?
The horned king was an animatronic in one of Tokyo Disney’s attractions. It was ball-retractingly TERRIFYING.
At least that girgy wasn't one
Jack Mazeika ah, a fellow defunctlandien
Great
Isn't the Horned King some sort of Lich?
Just googled it and holy shit that's amazing.
9:59 You missed a “Rrrrrhuematism” joke
I was waiting for it
I'll have you know I liked Black Cauldron and the books were good too.
You know why Taren isn't a Disney princess? Because he doesn't get a high-pitched musical number.
Sounds like a D&D game whose players make it a trainwreck from beginning to end.
DM: "Okay, the region is menaced by the evil lich warlord, the Horned King, who is seeking the Black Cauldron to raise the army of darkness and make the land his own to rule. You're a humble pigkeeper tasked with protecting the future telling pig who can find the location of the Cauldron."
Taron: "Pigkeeper? I said I wanted to be a warrior!"
DM: "This is a game campaign, you can't start out as a warrior. You have to work your way up until you're strong enough to take on the boss. Your first quest is to escort and hide the pig. Your guardian sends you off with supplies and shows you the way to the forbidden forest..."
Taron: "I start swordfighting and doing cool warrior stuff"
DM: "You are a peasant with a staff!"
Taron: "Then I play pretend. For a hour."
DM (Grumbling): "Okay then...you busy yourself with daydreams for an hour, and when you come back to reality the pig is gone. The agents of the Horned King have pignapped her, but a furry creature offers to take you to safety where you'll find your other companions..."
Taron: "I storm the Horned King's fortress. On my own."
DM (Furiously rewrites the story): "Fine...you manage to sneak in and even snatch the pig away in your escape, but the army captures you again and throws you into the dungeon. There you meet up with your other companions, who have been captured as well. You may plan your escape now.
Elonwyn: "Hi, I'm a Princess"
DM: "Your character sheet didn't say that. You're a princess of what kingdom?"
Elonwyn: "Eh, i unno. Figured it would be cool to be the princess"
Pickles: "I'm the Bard."
Taron: "Cool, do you have any lore on this castle, or the Horned King, or whatever that can help us escape?"
Pickles: "Nope, I just tell jokes and make faces."
DM (Exhasperated): "Fine...you explore the castle and end up in the ancient king's grave. There you find an artifact holy sword that can move and attack on its own, making quick work of the henchmen on your heels. This is your chance to storm out of the gates"
Elonwyn: "I lean on the gate and tell Taron to do something"
Taron: "I stand there doing nothing"
DM: "Arrgh. Fine, the sword comes to life and opens the gate. Now that you're free, it's your chance to..."
Taron: "I trade the hags my magic swords for the Cauldron"
DM: "FINE! You have the cauldron now, and one of you needs to willingly give their life if they want to destroy it."
Taron: "Er...okay, let's just camp out here and do nothing about it"
DM: "Seriously? Fine, the army finally catches up to you and steals the Cauldron. The dead walk, the King's army is marching to conquer your country, and all is lost unless one of you sacrifices themselves..."
Taron: "The furry guy"
Pickles: "Furry guy"
Elonwyn: "Furry guy"
DM: "DAMMIT"
For someone who plays D&D religiously, *Y E S* this is EVERY SESSION with my haggle of tards I call my companions :)
Except our DM has some dignity and respect to let us do whatever we want and then punish us HEAVILY for it instead of just riding the shit wave lmao
I can hear the DM’s head explode from here. XD
Bitch, the bard is fleuder.
so accurate XD
Funnily enough, they actually statted out the Black Cauldron in an issue of _DRAGON Magazine…_
9:58 "Why don't you come with me?"
"Umm... Rheumatism!"
R to the H to the E to the U M A TISM!
That's exactly what I thought he'd say!
Yeah!!!
“Rheumatism yes.” 8>
"Pickles" is called Fflewddur Fflam, however the pronunciation of Fflewddur's name is wrong. "Dd" in Welsh is the same as "Ff", both produce the sound "fuh" so the characters pronunciation should be "Flewfur Flam".
Princess Eilonwy's name is a mix between "Eilon" which means fawn, and "wy" which means water. Also, according to the book's, Eilonwy's parents are dead, making her a queen and not a princess.
Taran in an earlier version of The Black Cauldron (film) was significantly more violent, using the sword to cut and kill many of the King's guards.
Gurgi exists because comic relief will forever be the darkest stain of cinema. The character in the book appeared more closer to a monkey and used weapons such as swords and bows.
I recently read the book
they did the characters so wrong
Actually "Dd" in Welsh is pronounced like "Th", like in the words That or Then. So it's pronounced Fflewthir Flam
All of that sounds fucking awesome and I want to beat Katsenburg with Gurgi for denying us anything closer to that than this.
With elonwys name what language are you using to translate the meaning of the name? Because 'wy' does not mean water in Welsh water in welsh is 'dŵr', 'Wy' is egg in Welsh
You clearly don't speak Welsh at all. "Eilon" doesn't mean "fawn"; it isn't a word at all; "wy" isn't a word either, and the word for water is "dŵr".
When I watched this movie when I was little, I didn't realize how whiny Taran was. At least Kylo wasn't constantly complaining.
Luke too in Episode 4.
Aw, I actually kind of liked Kylo Ren. Sure he's no Darth Vader but I still got invested in him maybe in part to Adam Driver's performance.
I'll stick up for Gurgi.
He's an obnoxious hairball with no social aptitude. He's also friendly and sociable but desperate for companionship and has little or no sense of self worth. When he finally found someone willing to tolerate him for a few days, he barely hesitates sacrificing himself to save them with no expectation that he'd be brought back, not for the least reason that he believed that he had no friends.
Seems pretty relatable to someone with depression and social anxiety.
Legit.
It’s the voice that annoys me, not his character. That voice is so pitched that it feels like my ears are gonna bleed.
@@griffh7747 Well, yeah. He's annoying. I said that. I was just giving my reason for not lumping him in with truly useless anti-characters like Jar Jar Binks. Can't bring myself to hate the little guy.
Fuck that thing
I am your 100th like. :)
“Don’t be Howard the duck” Best quote of 2019. And 2019 just started
HYPERBOLE!!!!!!!
Mate its been a month
2015 dead meme 11 more months to go
NC:”Director’s Kids,or,Producer’s Kids?”
me:Probably Both
No, that's Bebe's kids
Comment s'more why don't ya
"Is anyone named bob in this movie? Look, there's Harrin kapapa! Theres gukagipu of shupipipthu! Behold, obnoxity of shutup!"
That bit gets me every time X''D
that hellfire parody killed me
Don't lie.
The fat stripper was hot.
@@kristaoconnors8878 "Don't shame me, it's my thing! I just love her rolls."
@@14mespider9 Like Donuts! Jelly Donuts!
We need full version, NOW!
The funny thing is, you could even say "Treasure Planet" was darker. Like, I mean yeah it can be light, but it gets kind of dark when its the only disney movie where the CHARACTER'S FATHER JUST LEAVES. Like, not killed or just non existing, but just leaves. I know you did it on an old disney sember, but maybe give it a FULL review, its a childhood classic.
That movie was so relatable to me as a kid.
I loved that movie. It’s a good movie but I agree with Doug, if they’re gonna make it so fi they should’ve made it proper sci fi. But I’ve a soft spot for it cause I loved it growing up and the characters, story and animation is still good.
Also yes thank you. Looking darker doesn’t make it darker. Black Couldron has some dark themes, but never explores them properly.
In treasure planet despite its light hearted moments actually let’s the death of characters sink in, it truly shows piracy, not the comedic types that were in Peter Pan, and still for all kids in difference from Pirates. Also it includes a “twist” villain that works greatly. Cause John Silver builds a real and emotional connection to Jim and is legitametly likeable and when he betrays Jim it’s not out of nowhere. So I agree, Treasure Planet can be argued as being darker than the Black Couldron.
More emotional, yes.
Darker?
U uh.
More emotional, yes.
Darker?
U uh.
Man, Gurgi attempting to juggle and then failing IMMEDIATELY while babbling incoherently never ceases to make me laugh out loud. Excellent work Doug. 😆
Gun That Never Misses,or,a Sword That Can Kick Ass on Its Own?I Pick The Sword,I Mean What if There’s Only 1 Bullet in The Gun,I Don’t Wanna Risk Wasting it
Well the wording is only the gun doesn’t miss, the bullets still could
Not if you specifically intend to shoot “anything and everything I would use this gun to shoot if I had it for the rest of my life”.
You can still throw the gun if you waste the one bullet. It never misses after all. But yeah, maybe pick the sword.
Just buy more bullets dingus
Ok, let me clear this mess up. The king from the intro is Arawn, he’s the original villain from the books, the Horned King was just one of his generals. This film is actually two books smashed together, “The Book of Three” and “The Black Cauldron”. One of the most important characters, Gwdion (basically King Arthur) is completely cut out. So is Arawn’s predecessor, Achren, yet another crucial character.. So basically, two books were smashed together, they cut out half the important characters. Arawn is replaced because horns. Yes, because Disney thought villains with horns were cooler, look it up.
R.I.P. Lloyd Alexander
I didn't know it was a book. Or three books. Or half of two separate books.
Is this a "the books were better" scenario? I have to say, I'm kinda interested.
@@Obstreperous_Octopus : It's a series of five novels (and a collection of short stories), only the first two were the source material. Although inasmuch as Arawn and the Cauldron-Born aren't defeated until the last book, I'd say that this movie is a mash of _three_ books. And the books are definitely better.
(By the way, it's ‘Gwydion’.)
Why does this sound like LotR?
@@JaniacTheHedgehog : Well, they're both high fantasy. Lloyd Alexander based his books on Welsh mythology, but he couldn't help but be influenced by Tolkien, who revitalized that whole genre. And while Tolkien mostly used Germanic mythology as his inspiration, he pulled in a lot of stuff from everywhere across Europe, including some Welsh stuff. Indeed, just as Alexander couldn't help but be influenced by Tolkien, Tolkien couldn't help but be influenced by the legends of King Arthur, which were originally Welsh. So it's all connected.
Fun fact: Disney is making a live action reboot of this film, only now they’re gonna follow the original book series.
I love this movie, but that might be interesting.
Damn. This will be the most hardcore Disney live action since pirates.
Your lying!
Oh god no
I'd rather they reanimate it but disney 2d theatrical animation is dead
“When she sees something so terrible she can’t contain it!”
*shows picture of Detective Pikachu, the best video game movie ever made*
Well that joke aged like fine vinegar!
More like milk. That movie was freaking good
SamuraiTurtle.26 The fighter of dimensions Ooh I agree man! One of the best films of 2019
Yeah, Original Sonic Live Action design would work. Though tbe redesign is actually quite good, the movie is decent as well.
At least it deserves its praise, unlike what people do with the Sonic movie.
Well , now “The Sonic Movie” is the best Video Game Movie ever made.
As someone who read through the entire Prydain chronicles, this movie was a big disappointment to me. I mean so many amazing moments left out, and wimpy moments left in! What were the screenwriters thinking?!
No offense but you're just making "the book was better" argument. That's like going to a restaurant, ordering lasagna and then saying you prefer your moms. Same basis, same ingredients different people and execution. Just a bit of a jerk move.
Just out of curiosity, how long are the books and which is book 1?
@@joghnythegurue2710 restaurants don't base their food off your mom's food, so that's not a suitable example.
@@joghnythegurue2710 The problem is that this film was directed by Richard Rich, when has he directed a good film?
@@joghnythegurue2710 Incorrect, sir. If you're going to adapt a book into a film, you tell the author's story. If you want to tell your own story, you shouldn't adapt a book (unless you wrote it).
The Black Cauldron: the Disney film that failed so hard it lost to the Care Bears
Nathaniel Foga ouch
Oof!
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
@@cadenmorris3680 That's what whoever made Care Bears told Disney. OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH!
You know movie's bad when you compare it to Care bears
The names are Welsh: Eilonwy, Taran, Fflewddur Fflam.... The film was based on a book series called Chronicles of Prydain, which was loosely based on the Welsh myths and legends in the Mabinogion.
Mr. Flibble like the crow from Maleficent , Theova
I’m not familiar with the name Theova. Are you sure that’s correct? Also, Sleeping Beauty was a French story.
If I was to hazard a guess, the first element “theo-“ is either from Greek “theos” meaning “God,” or from proto-Germanic “theud” meaning “of the people.” Either way, not Welsh.
Mr. Flibble idk , I can’t spell any words
Funny detail is that in Spanish I remember the bard was just called Faust, so... It's hilarious for me of the translators being "damn this name is difficult, we're gonna call him Faust"
Is that book series good?
This is probably my most favourite (modern) Nostalgia Critic episode.
"When my hamster puts him balls into kool-aid he can watch Gilligan's Island."
And this really takes the cake: 14:09 😅
Wasn’t the reason why Don Bluth left Disney was because his ideas were considered too dark and creepy?
Michael Plurad
No. Disney only rejected his idea to do an animated adaptation of ‘The Secret of NIMH’ before the idea was agreed at Metro Goldwyn Mayer.
Which is odd because his next film would be A Troll in Central Park. Weird.
TheNerdyBirdyShow
No. It was An American Tail (1986).
A Troll in Central Park was in 1994
Bluth left because Disney's Son-in-Law Ronald Miller was an idiot.
He left because he didn’t like where Disney was going leadership wise.
That toaster will haunt my dreams.
Annoying Orange looks to have gotten worse in the later years
It looks like it came straight from the Annoying Orange.
I think you mean NIGHTMARES!!!!!
That toaster is already haunting my dreams
That's why I played the Nightmare Face music
Brawn should have won an award for being one of the only surrviver from 1984 in transformers the movie
I loved how terrifying the Horned King was!
I don't care what anyone says, the Black Cauldron is a classic.
*I'M A WARRIOR*
When they said that the only way to stop the caudron was for someone to be sacrificed to it, I immediately thought "throw the dog in there".
I agree, I love this film! A youtuber called Breadsword did a fantastic video on why it deserves to be seen as a Halloween classic.
This film is gold!!!!
@@dariuswatson6298 I actually watched that video!!!! Lol
It definitely had some really cool visuals, and the concept was interesting. It's one movie that would probably do well with a remake (in the right hands).
The art style of this movie is so much like *Don Bluth* that I used to think he animated it.
THAT'S CAUSE HE DID AND GOT NO CREDIT.
It was in development so long that Bluth was probably still with Disney animation when it started.
Does Netflix Even Make DVDs Anymore?
Yes, they still rent by mail. Pay $7.99 a month and you can rent all the DVDs you want via your mailbox
...Do they even give you the option to order the DVD? They used to, but I'd assumed that feature had long since been consigned to the Pit of Profiteering, aka, the Farm of Physical Media Flagellants. o.o
@Jake Rumschik Your dad is a hero of ancient times long forgotten.
@Jake Rumschik I still do as well.
Sure, I can download the film or show from my Google play store, but once in a while the title is unavailable.
The Black Cauldron is based on a book of a novel series called The Chronicles of Prydain. Here are the elements in the movie vs the elements in the book and the stuff I researched that made them different:
Movie: Taran lives with Fflewddur Fflam, a farmer/bard
Book: Taran lives with Dallben, a 379-year-old enchanter and an aged farmer/retired warrior named Coll. Fflewddur Fflam (yes, I had to look his name up) is a king by birth but chooses to be a bard
Edit: I realized it actually is Dallben in the movie but in my defense him and Fflewddur Fflam look too alike in the movie
Movie: Princess Eilonwy (yes, I had to look her name up too) has no seemingly royal connection
Book: Princess Eilonwy is princess of a FAMILY OF ENCHANTRESSES (yes, really and yes, that is made VERY CLEAR)
Movie: Hen Wen is a farm animal/supposed pet who Taran is to care for, whom he loses while fantasizing
Book: Taran is to care for Hen Wen due to her prophetic visions, and HE is kidnapped by the Horned King NOT HER
Movie: Gurgi is introduced after Taran loses Hen Wen
Book: Gurgi is introduced very early on after (and presumably not as annoying)
Movie: The Horned King's army currently is dead, and he wishes to use it to raise them
Book: They're ALREADY undead as the series begins, called the "Cauldron Born" and are relevant for at least two books)
Movie: Horned King wants the Black Cauldron, and he is the only main antagonist antagonist as a result
Book: A tyrant named Arawn is the antagonist (at least for the last book) and he wants to conquer the kingdom), whereas the Horned King is only relevant for two of FIVE BOOKS of the series
EXTRA FUN FACT: The movie the author has stated has nothing to do with the books, but the author thought was pretty entertaining, as well as Roger Ebert who gave it a positive rating
Pays to read the source material, huh?
The Brave Little Toaster looked far more terrifying than the Annoying Orange.
Are kidding me? annoying Orange far out creepy then the brave little toaster because picture flute on Orange and facial expressions.
Synchro-vox animation will always be creepy.
I know, right?! They should have just had him animated like they did with Mrs. Brisby!
So was the film, meanin: the brave little toaster.
You should see the live action annoying orange, it’s 100% terrifying
“How did he never get a Disney ride?”
Ohoho, poor naive Critic.
Not really for the Black Cauldron alone, Tokyo Disney used to have a haunted tour that used the Horned King very prominently. He’s basically the final boss that a little kid would be selected from the audience to fight.
I saw it on Defunctland, it was super awesome but unfortunately not around anymore. Now it’s a Disney Princess tour.
That's "The Horned King's Ride", not Talwim's ride.
Boltizar nooo
So................... Not only did he have the look of a Raid Boss....... HE WAS...... Technically a raid boss in the Japan park
Defunctland is awesome
There was also a castle show that included Maleficent to promote the release of this film.
Whenever NC Shows a Scene With Rob in it All I Can Focus on is His Lame Wig
"Throw the boy into the dungeon."
Man, does this take on a whole different meaning as an adult.
The biggest problem with the film is that it was directed by Richard Rich. When has this guy ever been useful?????????
Then throw the dungeon in the dungeon, then throw the dungeon in the boy!
Black Cauldron: I'm the darkest, edgiest Disney project that took the most risks!
Return To Oz, Hunchback, Pinocchio, Bambi, Night on Bald Mountain, Sleepy Hollow: You're adorable.
Don't forget the hunchback of notre dame.
Sonic The hedgehog he said that.
No argument here
The original cut of the Black Cauldron was much darker than ALL of those you mentioned. It had Terran killing people on screen and brutal deaths with flesh being melted from bones, lol. In fact, the original cut of this movie scared the test audience into fleeing from the theater. The Black Cauldron, without being edited for kids, would have been Disney's first R rated film in its original format.
@@wiseguy01 honestly I desperately want to see the first version 😂 my cruel dark heart wants it
"Well nobody likes Black Cauldron. But, that doesn't mean you don't like Black Cauldron"
"What the hell does that mean?!?!" Honestly my favorite part! 😂😂
Holy cow! 524 likes! Thanks for all the likes!!
Count again
It's based on a book called The cronicals of pydain
It was also tied to “Trick or Treat” so...
I love this review, it has a feeling of "Old school" Nostalgia Critic.
Idk about y'all but Labyrinth's "older man who is trying to control my life ultimately has no power over me" message sticks really well
Dude Malcolm doing the intro to the film? More of that please!
I thought the same thing! I was expecting the comment section to be full of such comments but yours was the first I found in at least 10
"Put a piece of sugar in and wait for a bug to fly in"
Didn't the witch say it had to be WILLING to sacrifice itself.
Pretty sure you're right. By the lore, I don't think it would count if you baited/trained any kind of animal to enter the cauldron. Even if the creature entered on its own power, it would need to possess the mental capacity to understand that it will die, what good will come of it, and decide that losing its life is worth the good it will do. Thus any non-sentient being wouldn't count.
All the movie line said was that it had to willingly go into the cauldron. Not that it had to know about its own sacrifice.
I guess a fly would be WILLING to make the effort fly to the sugar?
Yeah, that's like saying "To summon the dark lord of the abyss one must take the life of another sentient being beneath the light of the moon" and then killing a cockroach in the middle of the day since moonlight is just reflected sunlight, then crying about it not making sense of being rational when it doesn't work!
Well... the fly is WILLING to enter the cauldron for the sugar cube. Idk the rules must be analized deeper in other storys or in a remake of this.
to me,it Sounded Like The Minstrel Was Saying His Name Was”Flute of Fun”
more like flute of phlegm
@Pixel Wizard ok
How hard up was Nigel Hawthorne to play this role?
**Clears throat and summons the welsh**
“Flywder Fleym”
The biggest gripe I had was that Disney tried to condense The Prydain Chronicles into a single film. Written by Lloyd Alexander, the five books of the Prydain Chronicles are based off of Welsh and Celtic legends. The Black Cauldron was only the second book of the five, though the eponymous cauldron was mentioned in nearly all five. The original books are long overdue for a big-screen adaptation, as each book is an epic adventure in it's own right. If only a studio existed that would faithfully adapt the books with proper respect. It certainly won't be Disney, who has made an industry out of bastardizing classic stories in the name of "social justice."
Maybe one day...
700 years after we're all dead
The Black Cauldron's fatal flaw is lack of conflict. We have a vague but workable goal for the villain. But no real goal for the heroes. Compare this with Fellowship of the Ring. Sauron wants the ring, to plunge the world into darkness. Frodo doesn't want his world plunged into darkness. So both take action to achieve their respective goals. Sauron sends the Nazgul. Frodo takes the ring to Bree, and onward to Rivendell and so on. In Cauldron, the Horned King wants the Cauldron. (It would help if we knew what he needed an undead army over the army he already has.) But what do our heroes want? To keep the pig alive? To stop this Army of Darkness? Good storytelling needs conflict.
I'd fix it this way. 1) The pig doesn't see the future. He can find anything. Maybe its a truffle hunting pig and that's how its power became know. The Horned King still wants the pig, but its more directly tied to his goals. 2) Make Princess Calla (I refuse to call El by her name because of my long standing feud with the Welsh language) the descendant of the Evil King. Princess or scullery maid doesn't matter. She is linked to the legacy of the cauldron. 3) Start the story with her in the dungeon and she engineers her own escape. In her escape, she comes across Cavin and Chaucer and they WORK together to escape. But Cavin is serious about rescuing the pig. It's only after they escape, that the Horned king makes himself known. He punishes the guards and sends his dragons after them.
Now you have a story. You have conflict, mystery, action in the escape. now you're good to go.
Sounds better
Actually Taran wanted to stop the Horned King in the beginning of the movie and was implied that the horned king has been around for a long time causing mayhem. Henwen was just a plot device to not only push Taran into that direction, but also to confirm the cauldron existent since the horned king had doubts about it "so it does exists!" When the horned king finally know the cauldron does exist, Taran wanted to destroy it to prevent the horned king from using it. The conflict for the hero was to stop the horned king from taking over the world by either not confirming the cauldron's existence or destroying the cauldron. Because as stated in the prologue, you can not only raise the army of dead, but also command the army to take over the world, this was shown how that was later in the film when the dead army seems invisible since it can turned living beings into dead skeletons (a scene that was cut out of the film). Also the horned king state this: "How long I have thirst to be a god among mortal men."
There's more to it than having a story, you also need to be executed well, while your idea may seem like a story it is not guaranteed to be executed well. There is also no significance to your Calla's character either. Since the horned kings knows the pig can find the cauldron, there is no need to keep her alive especially long enough for her to make an escape. A story not only need's conflict, but also, character interaction, character development, climax, exposition, beginning, middle, and end. Your idea only has ideas and a beginning that's it.
Rahsaan Footman they tried to squish a whole book series into a one hour movie. And named it after the second book when it was about the first book. It was an all around mess :’) A pretty mess but messy all the same
Better solution, simply make it like the incredible book series.
@@icecreamhero2375 To say it sounds better is a friggin' understatement tbh. It sounds like an ACTUAL high fantasy to me.
You know, out of all the disney movies out there I think that The Black Cauldron is the one that could actually use a live action remake.Hell they could just adapt the books that the movie was based on.
That and the Sword in the Stone--which was also loosely based off of a series of books as well.
Except Sword and the Stone is a better movie than this.
@@glowworm2 The Sword In The Stone is already getting a remake only for the Disney+ service.
I have though this for years the books were actually good, but the cartoon did a terrible job of adapting the books. I would love to see a live action version of The Chronicles of Prydain done right
I also think that two movies that really need a live action remake are treasure planet and Atlantis
What's interesting is that first movie is based on the first book, "The Book of Three" by Lloyd Alexander. "The Black Cauldron" is actually the name of the second book in the series.
Horned King was always my favorite Dosney villain. The voice, the creepiness, it just rocked
Judge Claude Frollo and Cruella de Vil: we are the scariest disney villains
The Horned King: hold my beer
No professor call a khan is my favorite does ney villan.
Replace the Detective Pikachu joke with Will Smith’s Genie reveal and it’ll be funnier 😂
IzzyVEntertainment7 yeahhh he’s just hates pokemon
@Queenofawesome25 *Sonic the Hedgehog trailer. Yikes is it awful (except maybe for Jim Carrey).
The Detective Pikachu movie doesn't suck.
He still hates Pokémon tho
YOu're all outdated now the new eldritch horror is Live Action Trailer SOnic
I have a month theme idea you ready?
*NETFLIX MONTH!*
So we can all Netflix and chill with you...
Jay Play I see what you did there.
I still want James Bond month.
Or Hulu Month
So we can Hulu and relax
@@FrequentUser99 definitely Bird Box, or just shitty Netflix movies..
Might I recommend Leo the Lion
You'll probably have to wait 'till March because since 2018 he decided to change the "Themed Month" event to March from that point on.
I wanna see Malcom do a full length review of a movie. Doug is funny, but Malcom has a calmness to his voice that I feel we don’t get enough of.
8:46
Boy, that joke didn’t age very well, did it?
He just hates Pokemon
@@GabrielUngacta
"POKEMON SUUUUCKS!"
_"LA-LA-LAAAAA"_
"Your names all sound like preservatives" Doug is shocked by all the Welsh names in this film adaptation of a Welsh novel.
Stormy Dragon To be honest we all forgot that Wales exists. I’m pretty most British people do as well.
Lol, the most people know about Wales is that Diana was called the Princess of Wales.
I didn’t know the names were Welsh 😅
I want to hear the film with specifically Welsh accents now, it might actually sound better.
Silly Jorge. Wales is a fish not a country.
This movie had so much potential, Disney just poorly executed the story for Black Cauldron. The Horned King would’ve been a great villain if Disney didn’t cut so much screen time of the violent scenes.
I doubt the uncut version would have made it to Toon Disney and become a big part of my childhood.
That one frame with the pig's face at 15:30 still gets me XD
WorkInProgress yes it would be a great idea for Disney to try making it better! Even when it was on Toon Disney, it was still good, even Dark Crystal was once shown on Disney Channel.
Black Cauldron=Disney's Chris Benoit
@@Markimark151 I always seem to forget that dark crystal is a Disney movie. I had watched and owed it for years on vhs before I realized.
Hey critic, was just wondering, have you ever thought of doing The Princess and the Goblin? I was actually really surprised not to find it reviewed on your channel as you have hit basically every weird little film from my childhood.
18:42 PICKLES! I’m calling him Pickles! 😂
The Horned King straight up gave me nightmares as a kid.
Still loved the movie though, despite its flaws.
Ever read the books? I had the misfortune of only seeing this a few years ago after having read the series multiple times.
"Dont Be Like Howard the Duck" is a poster I desperately need
How about Donald Trump Cocky???
I am so gonna live by that quote from now on.
"Hey Chaplin, you're Keaton now."
Don't think you want Batman to be your cat, NC. He'll set you on fire and then nobody will complain that Batman doesn't kill. :P
God, that look on Frollo's face at 14:20 after looking into the fire kills me
6:20 Fun Fact: the narrator describing the Caldron is the legendary actor & director, John Huston. He is also best know by Tolkien fans as the voice of Gandalf from the 1977 Rankin/Bass animated version of The Hobbit & 1980’s The Return of the King.
Hint hint: please review both these animated films in the future!
He did an "Old vs. New" episode about both versions of The Lord of the Rings a long time ago.
Louis Duarte But not the Rankin/Bass versions. And he needs to & should do an Old vs. New review of the animated 1977 The Hobbit versus the live action 2012-2014 The Hobbit Trilogy.
@@hobbitfan8686 Dude...The 2012-2014 Hobbit Trilogy SUCKED. There...it's been reviewed.
@@hobbitfan8686 That is an interesting idea. IMO the Peter Jackson version of the Hobbit wins by a landslide.
I love me some Rankin Bass Hobbit.
This is the Disney film that could benefit from a live action remake. It has flaws and those can be improved upon. Beauty and the Beast is flawless yet gets a subpar remake
Yeah, but the original Beauty and the Beast made money and people know and like it. This film... Most people don't know that Disney made this film (and in their defence if you lost out to The Care Bears movie would you admit it existed?)
Also while I can see you could get a decent movie out of a remake of this I'd rather see Atlantis the lost empire get one. Who doesnt want to see a giant robot lobster in live action?
A few years ago Disney actually reacquired the rights to the Prydain series with the intent to remake The Black Cauldron. I haven't heard anything since so I presume that project is dead.
Actually YES PLEASE! With the tone of something like the Jungle Book or Maleficent, a Black Cauldron remake could be something really special.
Marvelously said Ulick.
Unicorn Bunny The Lord of the Rings trilogy is live action fantasy and it’s one of the best film series of all time.
"I'm a warrior" might have given me PTSD. I saw the image of him saying it whilst Critic was talking over it and I got chills.
I’m being honest here, as I kid I loved this movie but only because I was big into Zelda and thought Taran looked a lot like Link on the box. Hated his character, but liked him only because he looked like Link. I agree with all the critic’s points and I would have loved to see the more darker take, but I agree that it’s not as great as I remember. But one thing that will never change is that box art Taran still looks like a hatless Link to me
The dog thing sounds like gollum after he's been inhaling helium.
Gasses and wheezes precious!
What even is he?
*and this was before huffing internet gas was actually a thing*
More like Stitch's methed up cousin.
I really wanted Gurgi to stay dead
“What if it’s not all folks? What if it’s only the beginning folks?” I died laughing at that
Just got to that line. I can't breathe...send help.
I've read the first book in the series that this was based on, and while I didn't think it was all that extraordinary, it was still a simple and enjoyable read. Much better than the movie.
If they ever did a remake of this, they need to do the entire Prydain Chronicles. AND stay faithful to the books.
They will remake it.
How does one describe Gurgi's voice? Let me count the ways.
It's like... imagine Smeagol trying to do his best impression of Donald Duck.
Imagine trying to produce a Shakespearean play, except the lead actor is constantly getting strangled.
Imagine trying to recite poetry while you're in the middle of pushing out a shit roughly half as thick as a tree trunk that never wants to pinch off.
I lost it at the last description
Imagine if Dobby and Kreacher from Harry Potter were one house elf while chewing sand paper.
Imagine if Whitey from Eight Crazy Nights inhaled Sulfur Hexaflouride
Imagine Alvin the Chipmunk corrupted by Saurons Ring.
Imagine if Megaman from Captian N smoked an entire Marlboro factory then swallowed several pieces of broken glass.
Man... still can't believe John Hurt has passed away like 2 years ago. Atleast we can look back on his talent.
Susan Sheridan, Princess Eloinwy's voice actress, died only a couple years earlier from that as well.
LucienTheFirst He was amazing as The War Doctor!!! I really wished we got more episodes with him in it
@@ToonReel001 how she die?
@@slanetroyard92 I think it was cancer.
@@ToonReel001 wonder why it's always cancer.
12:57 I wonder how many tries it took then to make this scene without laughing. 😂
Gurgi is what happens when someone asks "Hey, ever wonder what Smeagol would look like as a furry??"
In the book, the evil king is the main antagonist, isn’t trapped in the Cauldron, and his name is Arawn. Also the Horned King is his warlord who goes around burning people in wicker baskets.
Sounds like a much more interesting character tbh
I gotta read this book
To be fair princess ionway?(I cant spell her name lol) is technically the first Disney princess to actively NOT be a damsel. Heck in her very first scene she's saving the main character as opposed to the other way around (she led him out of the area he was stuck in)
She's also a massive bitch, just like all modern Disney princess'.
Eonwe, I think. It's been a long time since I read those books.
*Eilonwy☺️
I vaguely remember reading the book for school in 5th grade and remember there being more stuff and Gurgi being better. Mainly because you can give him a better voice in your head.
The joke at 14:28 might be one of my favorites by NC! 🤣
I actually did have a long runnign theory that Ellonwyn WASN'T a princess but instead, much like our other protag, was so disatisfied by her actual job that she pretended to be a princess.
notably, the Horned King doesn't call her Princess but instead calls her Scullery Maid.
I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out there was a deleted scene of her revealing she wasn't a princess
I had exactly the same idea when the Horned King said that line.
It's kinda weird how that is supposed to be according to the books, actually. She is, in fact, a princess, but she was kidnapped as a baby by an evil sorceress. She never TELLS anyone she is a princess, though. That little tidbit is discovered by her friends later. Eilonwy actually has a very tragic back story.
The reason for the kidnapping: Eilonwy's family line consists of very powerful female sorcerers wielding incredible magical powers, powers that are passed down mother-to-daughter (her kingdom was a Matriarchy). There are other magic wielders in the world, but the House of Llyr (Eilonwy's family) were truly exceptional. By the time of the Black Cauldron, Eilonwy is actually the last living member of that line, and the ancestral castle (due to an unspecified but relatively recent catastrophe) is about a mile offshore of the island they used to rule and partially flooded. The evil sorceress's plan: Raise Eilonwy to be her own personal magical super weapon and take over the known world.
At the beginning of the first book in the series (The Book of Three - the Black Cauldron is the immediate follow up to it), Eilonwy believes that the evil sorceress is her Aunt, and they live together at a place called Spiral Castle. Eilonwy knows her "Aunt" is an evil sorceress, and despises her, but what can she do? Family, right?
So one might ask, if the Sorceresses of the House of Llyr are so powerful, how was Eilonwy kidnapped in the first place? and also why didn't Angharad (Eilonwy's mother) use her awesome powers to find and rescue her daughter? Well to understand that you have to know that in the world of Prydain, magic both requires the caster to have innate magical potential and is realized by using complex incantations and rituals. The Llyr family spells are kept in a spellbook that requires illumination from a special magical light to even be read. Princess Angharad fled her kingdom to elope with a commoner, and took the family spellbook and magic light with her. At some point during their constant game of run and hide from the family, Angharad gave birth to Eilonwy, and her husband died. Rather than go back home and risk the utter rejection of her daughter, Angharad decided to tough it out and she kept her magic use very low-key (likely to avoid being recognized and captured, but this is never explicitly stated). It is at some point during this time that her own mother died and the unspecified disaster happened in the kingdom. It is likely that as far away from home as Angharad had managed to run, she didn't even know about it. And then Eilonwy was kidnapped and Angharad was brutally murdered while trying to find her missing daughter.
So why didn't Angharad do an "Aw, fuck it" and use her magic before she died to find Eilonwy? Well, Eilonwy's bauble (the glowing ball that follows her around in the movie) IS the magical light required to read the spellbook. The bauble was magically bound to Eilonwy, and when she was kidnapped, the bauble automatically went with her, leaving Angharad with the now useless spellbook. The evil sorceress had assumed that the bauble was all that was required for the family spells and only realized her mistake when it was far too late. The spellbook vanished with Angharad and Eilonwy would not have access to the powerful and unique spells she was heir to. So the evil sorceress went to Plan B and tried to teach Eilonwy her own spells while always looking out for any sign of the lost House of Llyr spellbook that contained the super-premium stuff (spoiler alert: it gets found and abused in a later book). The problem with this plan was that most of the sorceress's spells were of the "inflict pain and suffering" and "make myself beautiful" variety, and Eilonwy, not naturally being very vain or inclined towards being evil, didn't really care for them. Thus her efforts in learning them were minimal. Of course, being a good person raised alone by an evil sorceress made Eilonwy's personality... odd.
Taran and Flewdur Fflam were not rescued by Eilonwy from the Horned King's dungeons, they were rescued from the evil sorceress's. And Eilonwy did it to annoy her "Aunt". When they got lost in the ancient and unexplored tunnels under Spiral Castle and found the sword, removing it from the crypt caused the castle to collapse (via curse), theoretically killing the evil sorceress (spoiler alert: it didn't), and Eilonwy became homeless. At the end of the Book of Three, Dalben (the old man from the movie, and a potent sorcerer in his own right) offers to let her live with him and Taran while he attempts to make better arrangements for her, more suited to her rank (these arrangements actually sort of come to fruition in the third book, The Castle of Llyr, when she is sent off to learn how to be a proper lady and there is an attempt to wed her into the family that subsequently assumed the rule of her kingdom, thus legitimizing their rule). Her chores while living at Caer Dalben are the cooking and cleaning (make of that what you will). It is kind of a subtle gag throughout the Black Cauldron how many people really believe that she is nothing more than an orphan Scullery Maid.
The books were very well written, and for the most part, everything that happens in them follows a logical progression. The problem with the movie is that it cuts out and changes so much stuff to fit into a single movie that the story is nearly incoherent. To properly do this book series justice would either require a full series or a film treatment like Lord of the Rings (not The Hobbit). There's just too much there to chop this into a 1.5 hour one-off film and have it make any sense. The movie we ended up with is a weird bastardization of about 3 or 4 chapters drawn from both The Book of Three and The Black Cauldron and kinda mixed together. That being said, I still mostly enjoyed the visual style and tone of the film.
@@michaelmiller3012 huh. What's this series called again?
@@MrsSetsuna101 The series is called the Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander. The books are, in order: The Book of Three, The Black Cauldron, The Castle of Llyr, Taran Wanderer (personally my least favorite of the series), and The High King. He wrote a collection of short stories also set in Prydain called The Foundling, and the story of Princess Angharad's elopement is in there.
I ' M A W A R R I O R
With a stick.
And he got his ass kicked by a goat.
With a plastic knife as a weapon
*bottles clinking* 🎵Warrior! Shut the hell up!🎵
@Sebastian Emond now theres an idea... This kid and gurgi getting dimensionally teleported into 1970's new york just as The Warriors are first running from the amassed rival gangs.....one ill-timed "i'm a warrior " later,and we have some quality,though short lived, entertainment
The thing that confuses me was just how massive the difference was in the audio quality in this movie in 1985, vs the great mouse detective just one year later in 1986. In this one it sounds like they were using microphones from the 1960s, all the audio sounds super washed-out, whereas in great mouse detective it was basically on the same level as we expect from the most recent movies. Why is that? What changed?
While I do agree that this is one of the weaker Disney films, but I actually do enjoy it as a guilty pleasure. It was a nicely done grasp to it's source material (BTW the film is an adaptation to the first two books in The Chronicles of Prydain), the animation is beautiful, the action scenes are pretty intense and grippin, The Horned King is an awesome villain, the music for the most part is pretty good and I really love how Disney is more than capable of making films that aren't entirely light-hearted, innocent, and happy-go-lucky and have a more serious tone. Granted, the film does come with it's flaws such as the climax was weightless, the leads are mix bag, Taran's personality of dreaming about becoming a knight and better then the life that he's got is clichéd, I do agree that there is no reason for Eilonwy to be a princess, I personally think they could have her be a normal person and nothing would change, Gurgi does get annyoing at times since he has pretty obnoxious and cowardly personality and their arc's do come across as underdeveloped at times, as does the plot.
So...we get remakes of the classics, which didn't need any remakes at all...and THIS ONE is left untouched for years...
HUH?!?!?!?!?
Don't worry, I'm sure Disney will get around to it eventually. They're trying to extend their copyright on their properties.
It would be too much to ask for Disney to erase the Gurgi character though, so I don't want a remake bringing him back again! Even as a young kid I hated that annoying piece of trash and he ruined the movie for me.
@@misseli1 idk if its about that. They havent redone bambi but did lion king, which doesn't need that. Its less than 30 years old. Bami is like, 75 years old, which thats more reasonable to re do. I think its only for money
Making copies of golden geese.
@@ghostuscoyote I thought he was cute tbh lol
The reason he didn't go with the boy was due to...
RHEUMATISM!
You mean "R-R-R-R-R-RHEUMATISM."
Ha!
I was expecting him to make that joke...more disappointed than I care to admit that he didn’t
Old but gold NC meme.
Matthew Whisennand
I was looking for this comment.
Bless this!
First of all, I love the HELL out of this movie. Are the characters and story perfect? No. But the characters (minus Gurgi) are an interesting and somewhat endearing group to follow, the animation is done well (duh) and the dark fantasy aesthetic and tone is spot on. Still, I agree with pretty much everything said in this review. In fact, here are the moments that made me laugh my ass off the most while watching this review:
7:48-8:20 I'm a WARRIOR!!!
9:41-9:46 Really? That was the tipping point for you?
9:50-9:55 He's totally gonna fail me.
10:41-10:53 John Hurt realizing he didn't put money in his parking meter
11:20-11:44 OOOOH NOOOOO!!!
11:44-12:40 Critique of Gurgi
16:29-16:36 Pointless rock scene (I can only guess how the animators felt about spending time on that for nothing)
11:53 don’t forget Gollum
Gurgi wasn't even remotely like Jar Jar by any stretch of the imagination. Gurgi acted and sounded like Smeagol.
I agree
Literally a 2 bit knockoff Gollum lmao
I kinda want him to review strange magic....and little Nicky. You know it must be done!
Only problem is that I think little nicky is one he straight up admitted he would never do.
@@thehowlinggamer5784 and Freddy Got Fingered was one of the movies he initially said was never gonna review. Life works in mysterious ways. But seriously, why did George Lucas make a animated musical?
@@nealmcbealthenavysealicall794 He also made Howard The Duck so everyone makes mistakes sometimes...
And waiting on an MCU Howard the Duck movie like...
@@26th_Primarch Well, he already has camo in Guardians of the Galaxy ;D
Problem is that Howard himself was a satire, so people ask more why he get movie? Then complain how fuck up the idea is. He definitely would work as one shot comedy. Maybe parody of marvel post scenes?
@@nealmcbealthenavysealicall794 I don't know why don't they come out with a movie where somebody gets turned on by an anthropomorphic duck? George Lucas is f****** weird.
Gurgi sounds like Donald Duck mixed with Gollum!
Wish someone would have the guts to upload the cartoon onto YT. It's probably the rarest animated Disney film.