Budget Sleeper Gaming PC Build Ft. Dodgy eBay Parts...
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I remember talking my step dad into buying that exact compaq PC and oh boy the Team Fortress 2 and Battlefield Vietnam I played once I threw a graphics card in there
wouldn't have been that exact PC as it doesn't have an AGP or PCIEx slot.
Tf2 is da bomb!
@@OriginalBadRobotz I had an athlon 64 Compaq as well! good times!
Battlefield Vietnam is such a great game! I became a pro battlefield helicopter pilot because of that game.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Flying around while blasting "Fortunate Son" and "Nowhere to Run" was a whole experience.
"If they can do it 20 years ago, why can't they do it now?"
Because standardized parts means people can fix things on their own, and won't have to overpay for HP repair. If they have to rely on HP for repairs, HP can easily just say "Nope, entirely broken, gotta buy a new one."
Gotta learn from Apple
Thats a good point
Right to Rob-pair (repair)
At least the apu, ram and ssd are not soldered into the board
Yeah, but it's more about charging for upgrades. They know you can't just throw any GPU in there due to the power requirements and guess what doesn't fit, a standard PSU. HP and Dell have been doing this for years. Make a couple parts proprietary, like a side panel mounted CPU back plate and you'll have to pay more for their junk CPU cooler upgrade because standard coolers won't mount. You can't replace the motherboard, without buying a new case and vice versa. If you want to upgrade, come to us and we'll overcharge you for subpar parts and keep the money in our family.
When a 20 yo pre-build has better airflow than most modern ones, they really have gone backwards
+ The standards.
The 20 year old PC dosen't have a lot of weird proprietary stuff in it. The new one reminds me of a Dell Dawid did a video on. Who else couldn't help but think Dell when they saw the new one?
@@SJLtalentpicks If it was that I wouldn't be able to buy better parts to build a PC with. I do prefer to build my own. That way I don't get weird proprietary parts and pay too much for them. I also find it satisfying to do it myself. I built my last PC before the scalping nightmare began and caused PCs to cost 10 times more to build.
@@charleshines1553 I am buying s prebuilt due to the inflated prices of gpus and cpus, and it's around 1500$,everything in it is replaceable I think. The motherboard,gpu,cpu etc etc. I think it all comes down to how good u look,you can find some pretty good prebuilds,with a little modification. I got the AMD Ryzen 7 3800X, and for gpu AMD Radeon rx 6600 XT OC. Pretty good deal.
@@charleshines1553 p
Given the quality of pre-built PCs the system around the 5300G should just be seen as packaging material. Why use foam if you can use steel?
Haha!! I know right. Steel is more turtle friendly than foam. 😅
@@DawidDoesTechStuff turtle friendly lol
The cheap aluminium they use is probably worse than just wrapping it in a newspaper
Me: Why can't you just be normal?!
HP PC components: **screeches in unreplaceable**
Dell PC Components: scREEEEEEEE
Its actually insane how good amd entry level apus are
Wait till you see the RDNA2 APUs
@@matasa7463 - with attached ludicrous pricing no doubt.
yes... OEM only...
@@pietrocavicchioli6128 theres the 5600g and 5700g too
I was really impressed. I do agree with Matasa though, it's a shame that it is still based on Vega.
I enjoyed Llama's journey, especially when he caught fire👀🤣
Ah Yes at 5:10 the AMD HP changed his mind to being an Intel i5 for a Sec
nice find there, he probably just threw in some old B roll footage for a transition and thought no one would notice :)
Haha!! Damn, really hoped people wouldn't notice I had to refilm that broll. 😁
@@DawidDoesTechStuff nice way of flexing your multiple prebuilt copies on us
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I hope you took off that "intel inside" sticker, buster.
Oh man was that a Lite On PSU??? Who remembers the Lite On Light Scribe CD's where you had to buy special CD/DVD's so that you could etch a image on top?
I still got one that works.
I have a couple lying around. Had a Labelflash (Fujifilm's version) once and you could put a Lightscribe disc label down in a Labelflash drive and "etch" a wicked looking image onto the data side of the disc. Pretty neat at the time. The Labelflash drive would detect the Lightscribe data side as a Labelflash disc.
I'm surprise the seller didn't rip out 1 stick of RAM and left it as dual channel RAM.
😂
The RAM stick only has 4 lonely memory chips on the entire PCB. It looks too pathetic for the seller to rip them out.
Seller was probably only overfocused on the GPU; buying old PCs as GPUs with stuff attached to them and can't be arsed to part everything else out. Sell the rest as quick as possible for a bit extra to buy more used prebuilts for the GPUs, rinse and repeat.
It's not duel channel if one stick is missing, u said "if the seller removed 1 stick and left it as duel channel" :/
please don't encourage sellers to do that stuff it makes me want to go on a seller killing spree when I see sellers selling computers in single channel and say it's dual channel
the clip of you puttign the case down at the 5min mark says core I5... ha ha caught you out on your b roll. I like sleeper pc builds though, so I hope you do more :)
Wow that slipped right past me.
Haha!! Damn, you caught me. 😅
I seen that as well.
I love building PCs in old cases like that. Feels like you're giving it a new life.
Aesthetics aside they were usually built pretty sturdy and a side bonus is it might act as a theft deterrent
And he just said that in the video 😂
@@FoggySwe LMFAO 🤣
I find my wife doesn't get mad at me for buying a new computer if I put it in the old case.
PLEASE get some IDE to SATA Adapter to make the DVD and Disk drives functional!
Would be really nice to see you refurbish this.
Switching one for a BD drive would also be neat! :D
@Tano why are you so angry, mate?
You'd be surprised how long those drives actually last. I got multiple who are probably older than the ones in the video and they are still working.
@Tano That looks like it would take a front monitor like LGR did a review on recently.
or just get some SATA DVD Drives
And IDE adapter won't work for the disk drive they have there own Floppy controller.
But you can still get it working anyway I know because I have done exactly this for my PC. Using a Floppy to USB board and an internal USB hub to plug the Floppy Drive into the PC through USB worked just fine and Windows is still going to give it a nativ A: letter.
Also for IDE could he also use a PCIe IDE controller card there aren't all that expensive and only need an X1 slot to work.
This video has so much going for it.
First off, getting to see the difference between a 20 year old prebuilt and how they are made today sheds light on how dodgy these companies have become.
Then going on to see how well the APU performs for it’s price is value goals.
And finally the new power color card and final sleeper result was just dope.
Good work son.
Old cases had much better cooling. No glass or plastic crap on sides, metal is much better thermal conductor. Also, graphic card on the bottom, with hot air rising and cold air getting down.
I think that back then, computers were mainly for enthusiasts so OEMs (which were, speaking from my memory of those days, the main way of getting computers up until the 2000s) screwing them over would likely mean losing customers. Now computers are a bigger market, but a lot of people "just want it to work" and don't really care if they get screwed over in the process.
I see this with my mum who keeps suggesting me a Surface because it's nice and shiny and "it just works", but I'll definitely go DIY with my next system (or buy from an SI who doesn't hate people that want to fuck around with their stuff).
@@freedomseekr Not necessarily, big part of the business was selling PCs to companies. Gaming PCs were something of a oddity, you would usually have them with somewhat better graphics card, but at those days graphic acceleration was still not a thing. Lot would depend on CPU, even in gaming. Therefore, OEMs would build standard office computer and throw in somewhat better card and that's it. Cases were practically the same, enclosed for all sides and really just a place to store your components, not fancy expensive garbage like today.
@@freedomseekr This is true but for 30 years back. Not 20.
@@aleksazunjic9672 Expensive garbage like Chromebooks. They make good paperweights and table leveling pieces.
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I actually have an old Compaq Presario MAtx case from 2008 laying around because I love how it looks. Its got that piano black front finish with hideaway optical tray drives.
You actually made a balanced machine with these 2 components.
Dawid: starting that HP took worryingly long
Me: ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT
yeah i was thinking that,, like it was perfectly fine, right?
I remember having something with 2gb of ram with vista. it was a mess, I constantly had to wait for Windows to load whilst having black screens and blue screens a lot and playing modern warfare all low at 800x600p barely at 30fps
He must've cut the video though...
It was an edit. I didn't think looking at a blank screen for 9 minutes was good content. 😅
@@DawidDoesTechStuff lmao you could maybe save a situation like that for April fools
I'm going to take the parts from this fully functional PC and use them to upgrade this other PC to make a PC that isn't any better then the donor PC was to start. This is why I love this channel.
It's definitely better than the HP one in terms of CPU cooling, though. Intel Stock Coolers are notorious. Then again, the old one seems to have more ventilation but I don't trust looks for all we know they added a plastic sheet behind the front panel to obstruct airflow for no good reason.
@@TheEtueify The stock cooler could easily be replaced with a 3rd party cooler, just one with Intel mounts.
'20 year old case' and 'good airflow' aren't really two terms that go well together. :)
Video card too close to floor, here hold my beer where's the drill
@@fred_derf I don't think you can, GamersNexus just reviewed a slew of prebuilts, and on the Ryzen chips, the "puck" is larger, because the Intel coolers are expecting a larger IHS. So you can't even upgrade to a nice Intel style cooler on the Ryzen/HP system cause the cooler won't reach the CPU. At this point, HP is a joke.
@@th3R0b0t I am getting s prebuilt but not from HP or Dell, it has all replaceable parts,coudl I replace the stock cooler if needed from my AMD cpu?
I tried doing this kind of build with a dell from a few years ago with an i5 4460,the proprietary part turned out to be _the power button connector._
thats easy to work around, just buy front panel extensions and connect them to the pins i did that for an hp 520, had an engineering sample of an i5-4460 with 8gb ram and an rx 470 at the time i build it
Same
at 8:39 I would have just drilled some HP Special hole layout in the case put in the standoffs and called it a day :D
This is Dawid: Hot melt glue!
Self taping screws.
Next hole to drill in is yours
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This was great fun, thanks again for yet another compendium of magnificent similies and tech shenanigans!
That powercolor card looks like a great little unit, despite all the negative press about the 6600xt
It's a great card. Got one from Microcenter at launch. Nice cool temps and a solid upgrade from the RX570
theres pretty much nothing negative about it honestly, look at the 6400 and 6500XT xD
Thats and awesome sleeper build and I love that you kept the Compaq background. It's also nice how all the front panel switches, lights, and usb ports are all standard and you could use them without issues
It’s funny that compaq is identical to the original PC that my parents got when I was in middle school like 5th grade in like 2005 or so ! It was the first PC that I disassembled and then upgraded, and then transplanted to a new case with some mods!!!
Those are surprisingly upgradeable while also having very standard parts compared to today’s prebuilt. I was actually able to just buy a graphics card for it and go then upgrade the case and power supply!
After all that I built my first complete gaming Pc and sparked my interest in electronics repair among other computer and tech things I did all thru high school 😌… they still have the case in the attic I believe lol …..Those where so much better for upgrades then some new prebuilt PCs with custom one off parts !
seeing this performance at 720p makes me very excited for the steam deck.
I expect that steam deck GPU will easily be about 50-80% faster than this!
lol "just looks like a HP computer, wow that's alot of bloatware" You know that's the damn truth too.
I have this exact same Compaq sitting under my desk at this very moment and got pretty excited when it showed up in your videos....thought about a sleeper build with it but ended up freshening up as a retro gamer
A relatively easy way to even further improve the airflow there is to drill many holes to the bottom of that case and possibly to the back, too.
"We just need a couple of these holes to line up, and we should be ok."
Insert dirty joke in lined up holes.
YEP... one hole at a time just doesn't get the job done. Need at least two, ideally four or more.
You can use net_graph "1" or "2" or "3" in the console in CS:GO by the way
My first PC that I was ever able to buy on my own, was this model. I loved that pc!
This exact PC was my family's desktop in the early 2000s, complete with all the stickers (except it was an Athlon 64 instead of an Intel CPU). It's so fun seeing the case run modern titles!
I love how HP is also doing the Dell thing of sticking a hockey puck on an Intel cooler to make it fit on AMD CPUs.
I've seen a couple HP small form factor PCs (HP Pavilion Slimline), back in the day, that had socket 755 mounting on an Asus AMD Athlon 64 motherboard. It's been a thing for a while.
@@AtariBorn bruh
I had an HP with an amd a8 that had the Intel cooler mounting.
"I feel like we've gone backwards"
Yes, you get it now! My man!
That Compaq computer is the exact model of computer that I had for years from when I was really little up until like ten years ago! I didn't know how to take care of computers back then though so the poor thing probably never got dusted... I wish I hadn't given it away after I upgraded... So great to see one turned into a sleeper!
Thanks for the advice. I've been burglaring lately and I already skipped on 2 PCs that look like this because I didn't think they could hide something good inside. I will be more careful from now on.
What a weird coincidence. That’s the exact PC I just picked up from my parents’ barn to do a similar project and video. Guess I’ll bin it now lol.
C'mon man, you can do something creative with it. You and Dawid might have gotten a similar idea, but hey, great minds think alike, eh?
Try to liquid cool inside it. I'm talking full case modding gore.
Damn been awhile since I’ve seen a Dawid video. Crazy how much he’s grown. Nice job bro
Surprisingly good for an APU, the end result is super clean looking inside and better hardware wise than what you started with. Maybe this build could benefit from some fun cooling mods to the case to get air flowing, maybe holes in the bottom of the case or similar. I also understand this APU overclocks pretty well.
13:32 That is the same clearance my 2 GB Asus Dual AMD HD 7770 has in my 2011 Emachine.
My Pentium Pro 180 was the first PC with ATX form factor. Crazy that this is still the common forma factor today.
Did you upgrade it with a slocket 500 mhz celeryon?
I love laughing at trash pc when myself dont even own one
The dell one?
I had this compaq as a kid. Im picking up one on monday. So excited. Making it a xp gaming pc.
good job sir well done nice video my dual burner multimedia system is based on the same concept right down to a compaq case (though not as old) i put in the guts of another old but much more capable dell xps 8500 not nearly as powerful as newer parts but it was still a fun little project and i can now convert an entire physical library to digital or backup physical copies with ease
The smell of the PC and the time it took to get there makes me wonder if it got delayed by one of the many forest fires raging right now.
awful
I'm not going to lie, you're making me want to buy a 20 year old PC case and put some modern hardware under the hood. I think Dawid just started a trend right here.
Right there with you - have two of these same cases. As for what's inside them these days, 'only my hairdresser knows for sure'...I didn't go full gonzo like you, but basically the same sleeper gig.
That Compaq computer is the exact model of computer that I had for years from when I was really little up until like ten years ago! I didn't know how to take care of computers back then though, so the poor thing probably never got dusted or cleaned... I remember there towards the end playing Minecraft on in when it first became really popular... I wish I hadn't given it away after I upgraded... So great to see one turned into a sleeper!
The seller could have purposefully had the prebuilt delayed in shipping so it wouldn't be backed by eBay guarantee so he could scam people
Nah, a delay in shipping doesn't impact the ebay guarantee.
The clock starts ticking when the buyer receives it or the "estimated" delivery(when no tracking number is provided) is reached.
You've got, upto, 30 days to start the process after delivery or "estimated" delivery is reached.
damn 5300g performance is pretty impressive
THIS! This is the type of video I subbed DDTS for! Thanks Dawid!!! That is badass!!
Fantastic video as per! Thanks Dawid!💙💙
Noticed that when you booted the HP on the start menu was the Nvidia Folders so I think you guess on the GPU being ripped out and sold separately was spot on, also the other clue being the holes for where a GPU would have sat.
Legit Dawid, my dad has this exact same desktop that he still uses today 🤣
Thanks for the tips on burglary
I really enjoyed the sewer gator and wood fire bit.
I get this feeling you've never seen Jayz2cents video about how you can just drill new holes for the mb standoff spots =D
i have'nt watched it also,but just drilling is so-so (imo),to do it properly you should drill and then "tap" the thread into holes (requiring a tapping kit not many ppl own)!?
Jay has drilled through a motherboard before.
@@leonefurlan137 The point is that the mb was borked after that procedure. They are multi layered with traces inside you can't see from outside.
@@leonefurlan137 It's like M3 or a similar SAE, which means the taps are generally available in the HW store. Lay down your board and mark the holes with sharpies and carefully drill out slightly smaller, then thread the tap in.
For the PSU, I probably would have either broken out a multimeter and spliced cables so I had a "normal" PSU that fit the case or made an adapter bracket for the new PSU (assuming, of course, that the length fits). A dremel and a small bit of sheet metal (maybe harvesting the side of the HP e-waste case) would get him into position and not look too jank.
@@lordofhyphens sure man,it's not a big deal,but just saying (imo) everybody has a drill+drillbits at home,but not many have a tapping kit. But as you said,it is available in any hardware store...
I cry every night because of how much this man puts himself through
If you want more space in that case you can pop of the front plastics of the dvd drives and then glue them to the case.
I built three computers like this. All because I was told I couldn't do so lol. One was in a HP Compaq DC7600 convertible mini tower and a Dell Optiplex GX270 clamshell system and lastly a Dell dimension 2400. My friends thought I was crazy. I'm glad someone else is doing this as well lol
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Another great little video! Thanks dude
No problem! Thanks for watching. 😁
That was a really fun video! I enjoyed watching that. I’ve been an intel man all my life so I’m also interested in seeing life on the amd side (with only dual channel ram of course). Keep up the great work. Love the new place.
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You're so right Dawid, we have gone backwards in 20 years where PC building is concerned. Plus components offered genuinely good value for money back in 2001.
I'll kindly disagree.
Over the last 20 years, in regards to pc building, nothing's really changed.
Proprietary parts have always existed.
People just have a lack of familiarity with the diversity of components that exist.
As far as "value", hasn't changed either.
In 2001 a "good" system could easily run $1000(usd).
For instance, an HP pavillion 6835 had a launch price of $699, with no discreet gpu.
The current HP system dawid is showing, starts at $799, with a 1650 super.
If one adjusts for inflation, that 6835 comes in at ~$1100 usd in today's market.
Honestly that's the scariest thing about a Ryzen build is how long that first boot takes.
hey it's an HP give the poor thing a break Hp says it all why it takes forever
I just built my first system with a 3100 and it legit took 2 minutes to boot, I thought it was broken haha
@@denverdean2663 well that's now your record to figure out how to beat make it boot up faster now
@@raven4k998 yeah it only did that for the first time, it boots fine now
I just built the opposite. I stuffed a super socket 7 motherboard with an AMD K6-2 450, 256 meg of ram, an 8 GB SD card as the hard drive and a FX 5000 into a modern mATX case. It has a 3 front facing RGB fans sealed behind glass and a tempered glass side panel which for any modern system would be the equivalent of leaving a puppy in a car on a hot summer day. For a system like this with a 60 mm CPU fan it's overkill and I love it.
Time get reto to do some DOS/Windows 98 gaming.
always love seeing sleeper builds
Love a sleeper build. It’s unfortunate how things are all going proprietary in terms of form factor and connections. It’s a trend that needs to stop at the very least from an environmental point of view so things can actually be used again rather than just being ewaste.
Companies making practically everything proprietary on these ubiquitous prebuilts was one of the worst decisions they ever made.
Not just because it makes upgradability practically impossible but replacing parts and stuff is a pain in the ass.
But things aren't going "all proprietary" in the PC building space. Gamers Nexus has tested a bunch of prebuilts from a variety of different companies and (if my memory is correct) only Dell had proprietary bullshit in their build.
@@richardsinclair7661 HP also loves to use proprietary stuff but both they and Dell or OEM's.
System Integrators usually use regular components (properly because they don't have the 100000 PC for schools and offices deals that OEM's usually get and so can't afford to make there own proprietary parts)
its the difference between OEMS and SI's. System integrators are the way to go for prebuilds and not OEM companies
I completely agree. I hate this trend of planned obsolescence.
Burgrlars will never be the same after this video.
My first custom PC was a mix of a Dell XPS motherboard with an AMD RX580 with the standard dell power supply with mustard cables. It was a fun .... Experience for my brother and I lol.
3:34 yeah as ive seen lately u can strap a video card to any pc even office ones and game at top quality... like the whole pc dosnt matter at all just the card... kinda crazy but it shure saves a ton of cost for a gaming build
At 5:09 the computer has a Ryzen sticker. but then at 5:11 it has a intel i5 sticker??????
LOVE the "tricking this badboy out" music. Perfect choice! #standardizedformfactorsaresexy
I have one of those Hellhound cards, they run super cool!
I’ve built a sleeper inside of an old corona ppc400 from 1984. It was AWESOME.
Dawid's catch phrase: "So, I ordered it..."
You could have drilled the holes yourself for the standoffs to make the motherboard fit, just saying 😏
Considering I have a case from 2008, this build is my absolute favorite on the channel so far!
When I went to build my first PC, I wanted to make a sleeper build... but I wasn't able to find a classic Full ATX case (Coincidentally, my job at the time was scrapping two wonderful old PCs... AT (non X) and BTX! I regret not taking the more traditional styles, since they didn't look as cool).
So, I got a modern case and decked it with Woodgrain vinyl, then treated my Switch with woodgrain and gold vinyl. And it looks way better than I could have hoped!
Still hoping for a sleeper build, someday, even if those chances are becoming rarer by the day.
you "new" guys need to learn to turn and wiggle the cooler before ripping the cpu out of a pga-socket....
I tried really hard last time I replaced my CPU to not rip it out and just couldn't. I ran benchmarks before to get the thermal paste really soft, wiggled it, etc. and the 3600 still got ripped out. I am sure you are right, and you can get it off without ripping it out of the socket, but I think Ryzen CPUs are just prone to this.
@@frankguy6843 as were athlon 64´s or fx, dont remember about p3 or athlon´s anymore
Love these kind of videos ! Keep up the good work !
Thank you Dawid, your videos helped me lot. Manscaped shipped and on the way.
Love these vids of from you man, you have one of my the best personality out of all the other tech tubers.
Also thanks the 20 % off discount for the hedge trimmers!
Yeah I was thinking that even if you got 2 or 3 of the holes lined up, there's a good chance the other standoff bumps might be touching the back of the motherboard where it shouldn't and that could short something out. I don't know why hp and dell think it's fun to make stuff proprietary. If anything, that just steers potential buyers away.
The best part of Dawid's vids are all of his hilarious turns of phrases and descriptions. He could probably find a colorful, entertaining way to make a full video about reading the ingredients list off the back of a bag of potato chips.
This PC case brings back memories...
I had one of those Compaq Presario S0000 PCs when I was growing up.
I wish I could find an empty case online to build either a sleeper build or a high end XP build in one of them.
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Great show man!
Dude, I like the idea of sleeper build using APU. I have an unused, atleast 12 years old cpu case that I can use to make a sleeper build on my own when I build it (someday lol)
Thanks for the idea!!
Bro i can watch this guy everday, each vid is so entertaining dam bruh im not even into computer stuff that much i just play the thing and get prebuilt onea but watching this guy talk is fun
I bought a similar HP 4700G build, it had it's own unique variety of VD. I guess some critical driver (even on clean installs) hogs Core 0 all to itself, shows up as kernel stuff in Task Manager.
I spent a fair bit of time last year upgrading a Dell SFF desktop into a gaming PC for one of my kids.
Initially it was just adding a GPU to the i5 7400 system, then I realised I'd need a bigger PSU, then I realised I'd need a new case, then I realised I'd need power adaptor cables to use the new PSU, then I realised I couldn't connect the front panel buttons to the motherboard and had to steal the power button from the Dell case and position it under the top mesh panel on the case.
However, the frankenstein PC did work, and it only took me a week to realise it was then just easier to buy a proper motherboard and CPU and rebuild the Dell to sell it.
Lesson learned. It's easier and cheaper to build from scratch when it comes to gaming pcs 😂
I think the airflow to that graphics card was probably a bit better then you might have been expecting, the perforated side panel and the maybe one inch of space might just barely have been enough for it.
I've seen modern ITX cases with similar clearances that seem to do just fine too, i suspect it'd doubly help if part of the graphics card is exhausting hot air out of the back of the case.
When using a radeon gpu (or apu) in CS:GO you could enable the overlay in the Performance tab to get more info
My dad has and sometimes uses a compact presario it’s just on the floor next a another computer with an intel i5 gen 2
the non standard form factor motherboards can be good for mounting in something that is not an at or atx case... like an old radio or in some very old and very non standard 70s or 80s computer case
Would love to see you Dawid reviewing PC Specialist OEM builds! Just bought myself one and feels solid!
The new HP case looks very good actually, love the green light, very unique.
I love those vintage prebuilt cases
I keep my media server in an old AT case I bought new in the '80s. It originally had a Seagate 20MB MFM HD, now it has 17TB of SATA 6 and 1.5TB of SSD on it. It doesn't game very well, but as a storage server, cannot beat it.