Considering 2 out of the 4 are in the hall of Fame, Val was an extremely over midcard guy in WWE, and Al Snow is a widely respected wrestling mind, I'd say you have no idea what underrated means like most people on UA-cam.
The first half of this interview needs to be shown to the AEW locker rooms. Theres a small handful of the roster who actually understand what storytelling in the ring is and actually do it during their matches but the majority, in my opinion, don't understand. The way Val explained it was perfect!
A match doesn't have to be 20+ mins long with constant super kicks and doing the craziest looking moves back and fourth to be good. Kicking out of 3 finishers with both wrestlers having barely any personality. It gets boring. In the Attitude era the storytelling was so good it made the matches more interesting. It looked more like a fight that's why so many fans wanted to see Austin and The Rock. They didn't flip around flying over the third rope outside the ring. They kicked asses.
That is not completely true. They do tell a story, it’s just very fast paced story. It’s a live action wrestling game. Go back to the late 90’s early 00’s wrestling games. Those kids loved high octane crazy spots they could do in wrestling games. That generation has now grown up and many are today’s wrestlers and fans. That’s what they like to see. Is it better or worse? It’s a different style for a different generation. No different than how 80’s fan’s don’t like older wrestling styles. Many didn’t like the attitude era. It happens. So don’t think they don’t tell stories.
@@josheisert8380 its almost like age is relative to the person... 28 is old to a 5 year old, 56 is old to a 25 year old. It really isn't that difficult to understand
As an old school wrestling fan/80's kid, I'm glad I stumbled into this shoot. Story telling makes a match more entertaining and compelling. Val Venis you the man, thank you for stating facts.
In ring Story telling is what makes it worthwhile. Otherwise they rely too much on acrobatics and manufactured interpersonal drama… then it’s not worth while.
"How do you put backstage drama over winning the world title?" The only reason I can figure is if one's ego is so big that he feels entitled to the championship so it's really no big deal to him. Backstage drama is a big deal because that's what bruises the ego.
Or maybe he's just tired of being exploited and f---ed around and no longer has to take it? What good did val always doing everything he was told do Val? Got him buried in RTC for like a year and then he was gone.
@@HarkerDirge the point isn't about money, it's about some people not being willing to be quiet and be compliant and roll over on cue . Val is basically saying he would never do that to his masters. Punk hadn't been broken like an old plow horse it would seem. Why don't you go check out his interview with cabana when he left the wwe. 3 million or not, I'm sure if you had to deal with the small daily doses of shit you'd have a different outlook. Or maybe you're just a sheep through and through, telling yourself "if they made me champ I'd NEVER fail to shut up and kiss s$$ like I'm told!!!" 🪱🐛
@@johnst3296 I appreciate your point of view as well as your passionate fandom of Mr. Brooks. I will assume that your personal attacks are just done in the heat of the moment and do not speak to your general disposition in daily life.
@@johnst3296 Not true. Chief Morley was actually a pretty big character on Raw after that. Plus even as Val, he was a highlighted upper midcarder during the days that nearly 10 times the amount of people were watching compared to punk's world title days. Like it or not, even guys like Steve Blackman had more eyes on them than today's main eventers. Sorry for the reality check.
Everybody else has. If you listen to Jim cornette And Brian Last, their visceral hatred of the EVPs has downplayed Punks whole role to "he's just a poor employee, picked on by those EVPs".
@@marvellis6762 I mean, youre replying in the same comment section, so we're on equal grounds here. Also Val Venis made so many rants on various platforms he's banned from all of them and once called rock a pedophile, a guy he had nice words for in this shoot. you call that level headed? sounds like a guy who cant keep his head on except for this specific interview. Thats why i said thats something no one else would say anywhere hesides this shoot interview
Great point about Punk, the Belt and his selfish meltdown. It's similar to if Matthew Stafford were to enter the post-Super Bowl scrum and began by attacking an old WR or backup QB that he had in Detroit, before screaming "I'M GOING TO DISNEYLAND!"
I don’t get why people are so pissed with punk!! He’s right! The elites need to be fired! Aew ratings have sunk because of those guys comedy and they don’t bring any ratings! Fire the elites now!!
I know right!! He’s right abou the elites!! They need to be fired cause they are sinking aew ratings!! Punks the one bringing the ratings while those guys are killing the show!! And they’re immature!! Fire the elites now!!
@@waynesworldofmodeling2574 Weirdly, though - you're welcome to your opinion of course - but the wrestlers (who I hasten to add ARE IN THE LOCKER ROOM, WHERE WE ARE NOT) all seem to be siding against Punk. Not necessarily WITH the Elite, but definitely against Punk. In fact I remember Punk saying he is one of the two most hated men in the business... So, yeah, maybe Punk stood up to people. That doesn't mean he is immediately in the right just because he did so. Seems to me that the guy's reputation is petulant and disliked, and that seems to follow him through life. So, I'm not sure your point? Does him having the courage to do something make him immediately in the right? No. As the other poster said, Terry Funk had respect of his peers. I don't know many who respect Punk backstage, and the people who are where we are not, tell us he's a petulant brat. I don't actually hear people saying that about, say, Kenny Omega or Hangman. I hear it about the Bucks, but not Omega or Page.
Val is a great wrestler and has a smart mind for the business, should honestly be ab agent or producer for some promotion. I think what has stopped that is his social media political rants and him owning a weed dispensary. To each his own and he is entitled to his own opinion and life style and he seems to be doing very well for himself in life after wrestling, but I do believe he would be a great asset for a company to have as a producer agent or trainer
I quit watching wrestling when punks like him broke in. Not believable for a 180 lb kid to beat A 280 wrestler. Don't get me started on this puke ..I mean punk.
@@richardmorris7063 By that logic, it's also not believable for a 300 lb Hulk Hogan to beat a 500 lb André the Giant. Even in real life, it is possible to beat a bigger person. Watch early UFC, back when they didn't have weight classes, and you will see a ton of examples of this. A 5'11, 200 lb fighter named Keith Hackney easily beat the 6'8, 600 lb Emmanuel Yarbrough.
@@markmorabito1643 oh I seen it, I also saw punk in the UFC, so there's that. He can't compete in his wt class against bottom of the barrel. But I will give him credit for trying.
Val's take on the CM PUNK scrum is probably the best view I have heard on it of everybody. That scrum should of been centered on the AEW title and nothing else.
Punk was already very popular on the indies when he did this match. He had already wrestled 5 star matches with Samoa Joe in ROH, so he wasn't that green. It was surreal at the time to see him on Sunday Night Heat then.
How can you expect someone to care about a title (that's literally just handed to them) when he KNOWS he can literally hold ANY world title for any company he wants at any time??
Oh no!! Don’t take Nashes side! He’s a trump supporter! He’s evil, punk is a democrat like me that stands up for womens rights to abortion and evil racists in this country!
Like Punk said "OMG I thought Nash was dead" & for somebody like Nash to talk when his & Hogan's "Fingerpoke Of Doom" helped destroy WCW he should just STFU
I understand his view from a wrestler point of view. For me, a European who used to follow wrestling years ago, I had not heard or seen anything about AEW untill the CM Punk Interview. I am even watching this video because of that interview happening. While it may have been disrespectful from one point of view, from another point or view you can have a yes-sayer who talks up the belt, but I would not have seen the interview nor would I have seen this video or even remembered there is such a thing as AEW.. Love or hate CM Punk, he draws crowds and attention both wrestling and even more so speaking.
CM Punk was a real life jobber in the UFC. Nobody can forget those performances. Any promotion that puts a belt on him, even a fake one, has zero credibility.
I LOVE Val. One of the most underrated workers in the business from a technical point... ... But his memory is definitely shot as he tells stories that don't always match the facts. And here, he really is smoking the air. No way in whatever year this was that people were going ape for a Val Venis match. From about 2003 until he left the company, Val's matches weren't getting much of any reaction from the crowd. So I say, no way were the crowd going wild just because Punk did a chop block, and it being all because Val schooled Punk in storytelling as a heel. Frankly, and I say this as someone who does NOT currently like Punk whatsoever, he definitely had more knowledge of the wrestling industry than Venis gives him credit for here. Punk knows psychology. He knew it before he wrestled in WWE. That's why he's been a multiple world champion in various companies... Val? Never did. Not saying Val didn't have it - he certainly did - but Punk was just on another level than Val, and to be on that level, you need charisma, skill AND technical proficiency. Punk definitely had it before Val, who was washed up at the time, worked with him. I do agree with Val though - shame on CM Punk for his shoot.
Agree with him or no Punks action burried the title and the company. For something in its infancy to have this black mark on its title history is very damaging. You can pretend title histories don't matter in 2022 but they absolutely do.
Also not a punk fan by any mean, but i think this was missing quite a lot of context which i wish the interviewer would have pointed out. Punk didn't put his belt down and start to rant about cabana and evps on his own. Punk was asked a question and he answered. True, he could've decided not to speak or to say the things he did but we all know how punk is. He got extremely pissed off about being asked yet again about cabana in fucking 2022. He was just done in a match where he bladed and got hurt for real. Again, i don't want to justify punk by any means, but this to me looked like val had no clue of the whole picture, and that's where the interviewer should have stepped in to bring some context. I'm sure if val had the whole context, he'd probably had a different view on it.
@@davidepannone6021 I just checked again. Nick from wrestling Inc introduces himself, then Punk cuts him off and asks if he does improv with Scott Colton. Punk even say "I'll start" The AEW feed starts too late, but there are other videos that show this clearly.
CM Punk should never have been pushed to main event status. He doesn't have the personality deserving of it. He's got the ring craft that makes him good enough to be a solid mid carder who puts the real main eventers over. There, I said it. There are other guys on every roster who deserve it more than CM Punk
I’m a cm punk fan. Being from my hometown Chicago and his 2011 pipebomb promo got me back into wrestling. But not going to lie that media scrum made him look terrible. Val said it perfectly, how he put his ego first over winning the biggest title in AEW. “He has a bank account with his mother that should tell you everything about the guy.” Wtf are you talking about Phil? It was just a bunch of nonsense. And then Tony just sitting there awkwardly shows he has no handle on the locker room. But the bucks are a bunch children too taking jabs with their elite show and Journey song return. So really the media scrum turned me off the AEW product and really made everyone look amateur.
What got aew more attention and more talking about.......cm punk winning the championship in a pro wrestling...where everyone knows that it doesn't really mean he beat anyone...or.........evps that couldn't manage a target...and punching one of the 'young' bucks? work or not ...i believe the latter is what more people care about and are interested in...why ....cause people want to believe its real. It reminds me of stone cold steve austin in the late 90's .......what was more important to the people .....him winning the championship..??? or austin beating the f. out of his boss like most people want to do at some time.? I think the latter.
Being a good promo shouldnt be all that you need to be champion. Punk is a midcard wrestler pushed to the main event because he had a certain look and could talk. His matches were just ok.
@@FallicIdol Uh, DUH! There's no such thing as a jobber in MMA! You don't "job" to anyone in MMA - you're SUPPOSED to try to win. Also, nothing about CM Punk was ruined just because he failed at MMA. If you mean by that that it exposed the wrestling business, that's ludicrous, since society was decades removed from what kayfabe once was, and everyone knew that MMA and professional wrestling are DIFFERENT lines of physical work. It's so stupid how years before Punk's UFC run, there were supernatural angles and Mae Young GIVING BIRTH TO A HAND which all had no realism whatsoever, yet to some people Punk losing in a different line of work they knew he was inexperienced in and starting too late in life at makes the wrestling business look illegitimate.
@@FallicIdol If you're not going to take notice, that just makes you look more stupid for replying. But I guess it's no wonder when you clearly know nothing of crying and think that jobbing exists in MMA.
It has always bothered me immensely when someone treats a championship with disrespect. Being recognized as the best and getting the spotlight and big money is the groundwork for everything else that happens. I'll spare a lengthy dissertation, but I blame the cultural shift toward people being ruled by their emotions and not wanting to earn things for the extreme focus on feuds over titles.
I don't think he handled it in the best way that he could have. But I know for a fact that there was no best way to handle it outside of just letting these fake journalists write fake stories that slander him. This whole situation has been ridiculous, and I'm a guy who has said for a very long time CM punk is one of the more overrated wrestlers in the industry, but to have any other take outside of Tony Khan is a shitty booker, a worse owner, and three three 40 year olds who label themselves as executive vice Presidents behaving like middle school children is unforgivable. They used to CM punk's troubled past with WWE, which let's be real, it's just because he spoke his mind and stuck up for himself. I challenge any of you in this comment section to ever try to work for Vince McMahon, 9 out of 10 and you would be crying, and calling your mother's after the first day. They used that though to make him a scapegoat. Now what sense is that? Your number one draw, you're going to use as the scapegoat? This is ridiculous, all these wrestling channels and people bashing punk are objectively wrong.
I have to be honest. I just never liked CM Punk. But when people say stuff about him being a A hole, or selfish, or whatever they say I don't agree because the Wrestling business has always been a cesspool of sh t, just like the entertainment industry, so while the things he says and does might sound f cked up to the real world, in the Wrestling World it seems almost business as usual.
Even if it's a work, I'm not interested in it cause the people he went off on weren't there to make a rebuttal and being suspended afterwards killed that possible angle. Also him making TK his bitch in the scrum and completely dismissing the fact he was gifted another championship, when his body can't clearly go as it used to is another buzz kill.
So if the belt is the pinnacle…and the results are predetermined what does it mean to be championed of the organization…. Does it mean you bring the most eyes to the org. The one that sells the most pay previews …the one that sell the most merchandise… the one that takes the most orders from the org. Because it clearly doesn’t mean you’re the best athlete or wrestler 🤔
A good question would have been, did you always talk like that or did you start talking like that because of the Val Venis character and just stuck with it? And if you took Edge's gimmick instead of the adult film star gimmick do you think you would still be leading the Judgement Day right now?
@@valvenisfanclub3669 Edge said that he was pitched the Val Venis gimmick first and turned it down. It was great at the time, but I can see how there wouldn't be an expectation of longevity (ha ha) with that character. He still seems like a heck of a guy, wish they were able to evolve him better, although I don't really remember how his run in WWE ended.
To be honest punk was never your typical Indy wrestler, not as val intended here (work way too fast, too many bumps, no selling). Punk was a lot more methodical and had high ring IQ even being a "Indy wrestler".
The problem is that Val used to be all about free speech and speaking your mind - but really he's just a corporate company guy. Then again, that's what usually happens as you get older. You give up. You stop being on the cutting edge and standing up for what you believe in and just sell out completely either because you're too tired or the money is good - or maybe you just hopped on a bandwagon when you were younger and never really believed anything you were saying.
I dunno man. I respect VV. But what would he know? He's never been in that position, not in this era of wrestling. Punk has. Kayfabe isn't what Venis used to recognize anymore. This is a problem in wrestling. People always talk about how each organization benefits purely while taking advantage of the talent. And yet when a talent speaks up/walks out/creates a moment, they get judged for being ungrateful. The two chicks in WWE recently got crucified for walking away when they felt they were getting taken advantage of. Punk gets judged for the press conference. Punk won. And shoot or not, he was creating ANOTHER legendary moment in wrestling. He does that consistently. So why are we pretending that he committed yet another unwritten/unspoken wrestling taboo? You tune in to see some real shit... then real shit happens, then people get confused.
His OVW job I’d imagine, I don’t remember the “call up” story, but I don’t think it was too romantic. The punchline of this is Val thinking punk was a “spot monkey”. He’d already worked some fairly well thought of feuds w/ Joe and Raven, etc…but I guess Val is to thank for everything. Cool.
That's my thinking. I love Val, and he's a great ring general, but Punk's pre-WWE work wasn't snap happy indyrific style wrestling. It was really good stuff. In fact, Punk had learned a lot from Raven apparently, and Raven is not remotely a spot monkey fan. Maybe Val gave his opinion to Punk, and maybe Val led the match, but in no way did Val inform Punk beyond that. Punk already knew what he was doing. Apparently, more than Val, because Punk became world champion.
It's safe to say Val just didn't know who Punk was and assumed he was the usual indy guy. At least he's not denying that punk knew what he was doing during that match.
Val Venis really should not be talking about unprofessional bullshit. And why are we still giving this guy a platform? Let him just rot in obscurity for the rest of his life.
Val didn't really crap on Punk. He just spoke facts. Respect.
yea punk cldnt do his " high flying stuff" , val is full of sht
Val Venis, Al Snow, Billy Gun, and The Godfather are some of the most underrated mid card workers of all time
I’d add Perry Saturn to that list
Considering 2 out of the 4 are in the hall of Fame, Val was an extremely over midcard guy in WWE, and Al Snow is a widely respected wrestling mind, I'd say you have no idea what underrated means like most people on UA-cam.
Steve Blackman was a solid mid-carder as well. I was a big fan 🙂
Don't Forget D Lo Brown Too
Godfather bored me. I preferred him as papa shango and Kama Mustafa (pre nation)
The first half of this interview needs to be shown to the AEW locker rooms. Theres a small handful of the roster who actually understand what storytelling in the ring is and actually do it during their matches but the majority, in my opinion, don't understand. The way Val explained it was perfect!
His career in the WWE came to an end during the transition from in ring storytelling large focus on acrobatics.
Probably because most it them are self trained trampoline cowboys who are clueless
A match doesn't have to be 20+ mins long with constant super kicks and doing the craziest looking moves back and fourth to be good. Kicking out of 3 finishers with both wrestlers having barely any personality. It gets boring. In the Attitude era the storytelling was so good it made the matches more interesting. It looked more like a fight that's why so many fans wanted to see Austin and The Rock. They didn't flip around flying over the third rope outside the ring. They kicked asses.
sad part is most young people nowadays don't want advice from older generation. i get it, early 20s is the time where everyone is arrogant.
That is not completely true. They do tell a story, it’s just very fast paced story. It’s a live action wrestling game. Go back to the late 90’s early 00’s wrestling games. Those kids loved high octane crazy spots they could do in wrestling games. That generation has now grown up and many are today’s wrestlers and fans. That’s what they like to see. Is it better or worse? It’s a different style for a different generation. No different than how 80’s fan’s don’t like older wrestling styles. Many didn’t like the attitude era. It happens. So don’t think they don’t tell stories.
It's amazing to hear all these older guys. Thanks for doing this.
"all these OLDER GUYS". Sigh
@@josheisert8380 I'm 48....guess I'm old too...ha ha
@@phildodson6141 46 here. Weird as hell to hear someone describe Val Venus as an older guy lol. Hello Ladies....
@@josheisert8380 its almost like age is relative to the person... 28 is old to a 5 year old, 56 is old to a 25 year old. It really isn't that difficult to understand
As an old school wrestling fan/80's kid, I'm glad I stumbled into this shoot. Story telling makes a match more entertaining and compelling. Val Venis you the man, thank you for stating facts.
In ring Story telling is what makes it worthwhile. Otherwise they rely too much on acrobatics and manufactured interpersonal drama… then it’s not worth while.
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"How do you put backstage drama over winning the world title?" The only reason I can figure is if one's ego is so big that he feels entitled to the championship so it's really no big deal to him. Backstage drama is a big deal because that's what bruises the ego.
Or maybe he's just tired of being exploited and f---ed around and no longer has to take it? What good did val always doing everything he was told do Val? Got him buried in RTC for like a year and then he was gone.
@@johnst3296 A three million dollar contract and top billing as champion isn't exactly the definition of being exploited.
@@HarkerDirge the point isn't about money, it's about some people not being willing to be quiet and be compliant and roll over on cue . Val is basically saying he would never do that to his masters. Punk hadn't been broken like an old plow horse it would seem.
Why don't you go check out his interview with cabana when he left the wwe. 3 million or not, I'm sure if you had to deal with the small daily doses of shit you'd have a different outlook. Or maybe you're just a sheep through and through, telling yourself "if they made me champ I'd NEVER fail to shut up and kiss s$$ like I'm told!!!" 🪱🐛
@@johnst3296 I appreciate your point of view as well as your passionate fandom of Mr. Brooks. I will assume that your personal attacks are just done in the heat of the moment and do not speak to your general disposition in daily life.
@@johnst3296 Not true. Chief Morley was actually a pretty big character on Raw after that. Plus even as Val, he was a highlighted upper midcarder during the days that nearly 10 times the amount of people were watching compared to punk's world title days. Like it or not, even guys like Steve Blackman had more eyes on them than today's main eventers. Sorry for the reality check.
Wrestling Psychology 101. Thanks for the lesson!
Why is no one saying anything about the EVP's & their part to play in this?
Everybody else has. If you listen to Jim cornette And Brian Last, their visceral hatred of the EVPs has downplayed Punks whole role to "he's just a poor employee, picked on by those EVPs".
Dude. Your interviews are amazing! I absolutely love watching these clips...
Keep it up bro!
Val Venus... The memories... Such good times. So glad to see Val still around telling wrestling stories. He needs to do more podcasts.
Excited for the full interview! I'm sure you asked him about his time in Japan, Mexico and Puerto Rico.. that stuff just fascinates me.
Val is such a level headed guy.... wrestling wisdom that should be used
things that have never been said anywhere else lol
That input was really worth it Seth. Sad not having a life.... run along now little boy!!
@@marvellis6762 I mean, youre replying in the same comment section, so we're on equal grounds here. Also Val Venis made so many rants on various platforms he's banned from all of them and once called rock a pedophile, a guy he had nice words for in this shoot. you call that level headed? sounds like a guy who cant keep his head on except for this specific interview. Thats why i said thats something no one else would say anywhere hesides this shoot interview
@@sethh5106 stfu and go cry somewhere else
@@sethh5106 marvelous hasn't seen the rant about John Morrison and Melina. Lmfao
Val Venis is an excellent shoot interview
Hello, ladies ! ( saxophone 🎷 playing )
I was at this match in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania...People knew who C.M. Punk was because we were all chanting his name.
Great point about Punk, the Belt and his selfish meltdown. It's similar to if Matthew Stafford were to enter the post-Super Bowl scrum and began by attacking an old WR or backup QB that he had in Detroit, before screaming "I'M GOING TO DISNEYLAND!"
Adam Page sucks
You have a reply on this but it's hidden. WSI is an aew mark .
I don’t get why people are so pissed with punk!! He’s right! The elites need to be fired! Aew ratings have sunk because of those guys comedy and they don’t bring any ratings! Fire the elites now!!
@@johnst3296 it's more likely UA-cam shadow banning again
@@johnst3296 its UA-cam, not the channel that is deleting comments, idiot
When I started watching this channel there wasn’t many followers but I knew this thing would blow up. It’s just too well done not to. Good work
Wrestlers nowadays just want 30 to 45 minutes to spam out as many moves.
Val is a talent who learned how to wrestle a story in a 3 to 5 minute match.
Great segments Val is a straight shooter, Salute
people Val was on point with everything he spoke. I enjoyed this
Why is Val getting hate hate in the comments? Haters wanted the money shot but never got it?
Val looks stoned in the thumbnail! 🤣🤣
I really enjoy His takes and the reasons why. Great interview
That's rich coming from Shane Douglas, who threw the NWA title to the ground.
People talking shit about punk because he stood up to a bunch of kids 🤣 if Terry funk tells you something you damn do it
I know right!! He’s right abou the elites!! They need to be fired cause they are sinking aew ratings!! Punks the one bringing the ratings while those guys are killing the show!! And they’re immature!! Fire the elites now!!
Yeah, but he aint no Terry Funk. Funk had respect from the locker room, unlike Punk. Punk was the biggest child in the room.
@@raidernat7045 when you have Kenny Omega the young bucks and hangnail page 🤣
@@waynesworldofmodeling2574 Weirdly, though - you're welcome to your opinion of course - but the wrestlers (who I hasten to add ARE IN THE LOCKER ROOM, WHERE WE ARE NOT) all seem to be siding against Punk. Not necessarily WITH the Elite, but definitely against Punk. In fact I remember Punk saying he is one of the two most hated men in the business...
So, yeah, maybe Punk stood up to people. That doesn't mean he is immediately in the right just because he did so. Seems to me that the guy's reputation is petulant and disliked, and that seems to follow him through life. So, I'm not sure your point? Does him having the courage to do something make him immediately in the right? No.
As the other poster said, Terry Funk had respect of his peers. I don't know many who respect Punk backstage, and the people who are where we are not, tell us he's a petulant brat. I don't actually hear people saying that about, say, Kenny Omega or Hangman. I hear it about the Bucks, but not Omega or Page.
Val is a great wrestler and has a smart mind for the business, should honestly be ab agent or producer for some promotion. I think what has stopped that is his social media political rants and him owning a weed dispensary. To each his own and he is entitled to his own opinion and life style and he seems to be doing very well for himself in life after wrestling, but I do believe he would be a great asset for a company to have as a producer agent or trainer
Great interview,
You should interview Paul London
And still no wwf ice cream bars
It's real, till it's not and then it is!😂
I’d like for him explain how he came up with the finisher “the money shot”
Val's opinion is worth its weight in gold, knows his stuff 😎
Even after all this time, Punk vs Val, is one of my favorite Dark Matches I've ever seen. Incredible selling in the match.
Punk has a fitting name :)
I quit watching wrestling when punks like him broke in. Not believable for a 180 lb kid to beat A 280 wrestler. Don't get me started on this puke ..I mean punk.
Yeah , with a name like that, we shouldn't expect any different from him
@@richardmorris7063 By that logic, it's also not believable for a 300 lb Hulk Hogan to beat a 500 lb André the Giant. Even in real life, it is possible to beat a bigger person. Watch early UFC, back when they didn't have weight classes, and you will see a ton of examples of this. A 5'11, 200 lb fighter named Keith Hackney easily beat the 6'8, 600 lb Emmanuel Yarbrough.
@@markmorabito1643 oh I seen it, I also saw punk in the UFC, so there's that. He can't compete in his wt class against bottom of the barrel. But I will give him credit for trying.
@@markmorabito1643 And by the way,Andre would have killed Hulk..
Great video! I love Val Venus 💚
You should have got a , "Hello ladies" from VV
Val should definitely do colour commentary in WWE or Impact with his wrestling analysis. A bit like Tazz from 2002.
Val's take on the CM PUNK scrum is probably the best view I have heard on it of everybody. That scrum should of been centered on the AEW title and nothing else.
Punk was already very popular on the indies when he did this match. He had already wrestled 5 star matches with Samoa Joe in ROH, so he wasn't that green. It was surreal at the time to see him on Sunday Night Heat then.
I agree on literally everything Venis said,
awesome, more with val!
Val Venis was so good. Shame he doesn’t get his due like action figures or other merch.
He had an action figure in 98
@@cfhcowboy9292 Yeah but a modern one would be nice. LoL
Thats the thing. Colt was nowhere to be found. His segueway into that was a complete joke
A reporter asked him about it 🤡🤡🤡
@@RogerAM78 A reporter asked Punk about Colt? That’s not what happened
How can you expect someone to care about a title (that's literally just handed to them) when he KNOWS he can literally hold ANY world title for any company he wants at any time??
Just won the belt but u gotta talk about Colt Cabana
Sean Strickland VAL VENIS IS YOUR FATHER! I don’t care what anyone says, they have to related somehow
Hello.ladies Val venis is a legend
Shame on Val for never drawing a dime
Val as a mid card act was bigger draw than 95% of talent today
@@kingofkings69ner for about the first year and a half of his initial WWF run he had one of the loudest pops
Piss poor zoomer take
🤣🤣🤣 you're an absolute joke
Punk is one of the main reasons I quit watching wrestling. Like Nash said, it's like watching a cook from Waffle House out there.
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Oh no!! Don’t take Nashes side! He’s a trump supporter! He’s evil, punk is a democrat like me that stands up for womens rights to abortion and evil racists in this country!
Like Punk said "OMG I thought Nash was dead" & for somebody like Nash to talk when his & Hogan's "Fingerpoke Of Doom" helped destroy WCW he should just STFU
Dark match? Didn't this match air on Sunday Night Heat?
I understand his view from a wrestler point of view.
For me, a European who used to follow wrestling years ago, I had not heard or seen anything about AEW untill the CM Punk Interview.
I am even watching this video because of that interview happening.
While it may have been disrespectful from one point of view, from another point or view you can have a yes-sayer who talks up the belt, but I would not have seen the interview nor would I have seen this video or even remembered there is such a thing as AEW..
Love or hate CM Punk, he draws crowds and attention both wrestling and even more so speaking.
CM Punk was a real life jobber in the UFC. Nobody can forget those performances. Any promotion that puts a belt on him, even a fake one, has zero credibility.
Val nailed it' if there no pay off and it can't be used to further a storyline or the company what was the point.
I LOVE Val. One of the most underrated workers in the business from a technical point...
... But his memory is definitely shot as he tells stories that don't always match the facts. And here, he really is smoking the air. No way in whatever year this was that people were going ape for a Val Venis match. From about 2003 until he left the company, Val's matches weren't getting much of any reaction from the crowd.
So I say, no way were the crowd going wild just because Punk did a chop block, and it being all because Val schooled Punk in storytelling as a heel. Frankly, and I say this as someone who does NOT currently like Punk whatsoever, he definitely had more knowledge of the wrestling industry than Venis gives him credit for here. Punk knows psychology. He knew it before he wrestled in WWE. That's why he's been a multiple world champion in various companies... Val? Never did.
Not saying Val didn't have it - he certainly did - but Punk was just on another level than Val, and to be on that level, you need charisma, skill AND technical proficiency. Punk definitely had it before Val, who was washed up at the time, worked with him.
I do agree with Val though - shame on CM Punk for his shoot.
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Agree with him or no Punks action burried the title and the company. For something in its infancy to have this black mark on its title history is very damaging. You can pretend title histories don't matter in 2022 but they absolutely do.
Also not a punk fan by any mean, but i think this was missing quite a lot of context which i wish the interviewer would have pointed out. Punk didn't put his belt down and start to rant about cabana and evps on his own. Punk was asked a question and he answered. True, he could've decided not to speak or to say the things he did but we all know how punk is. He got extremely pissed off about being asked yet again about cabana in fucking 2022. He was just done in a match where he bladed and got hurt for real. Again, i don't want to justify punk by any means, but this to me looked like val had no clue of the whole picture, and that's where the interviewer should have stepped in to bring some context. I'm sure if val had the whole context, he'd probably had a different view on it.
Finally someone with common sense
@@RogerAM78 i know right? Always rarer and rarer to find these days.
He wasn't asked a question though.
@@DR.64A9 he was. Watch the original clip.
@@davidepannone6021 I just checked again. Nick from wrestling Inc introduces himself, then Punk cuts him off and asks if he does improv with Scott Colton. Punk even say "I'll start"
The AEW feed starts too late, but there are other videos that show this clearly.
I heard first match of CM Punk was against Maven.
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CM Punk should never have been pushed to main event status. He doesn't have the personality deserving of it. He's got the ring craft that makes him good enough to be a solid mid carder who puts the real main eventers over. There, I said it. There are other guys on every roster who deserve it more than CM Punk
I’m a cm punk fan. Being from my hometown Chicago and his 2011 pipebomb promo got me back into wrestling. But not going to lie that media scrum made him look terrible. Val said it perfectly, how he put his ego first over winning the biggest title in AEW. “He has a bank account with his mother that should tell you everything about the guy.” Wtf are you talking about Phil? It was just a bunch of nonsense. And then Tony just sitting there awkwardly shows he has no handle on the locker room. But the bucks are a bunch children too taking jabs with their elite show and Journey song return. So really the media scrum turned me off the AEW product and really made everyone look amateur.
What got aew more attention and more talking about.......cm punk winning the championship in a pro wrestling...where everyone knows that it doesn't really mean he beat anyone...or.........evps that couldn't manage a target...and punching one of the 'young' bucks? work or not ...i believe the latter is what more people care about and are interested in...why ....cause people want to believe its real.
It reminds me of stone cold steve austin in the late 90's .......what was more important to the people .....him winning the championship..??? or austin beating the f. out of his boss like most people want to do at some time.? I think the latter.
Being a good promo shouldnt be all that you need to be champion. Punk is a midcard wrestler pushed to the main event because he had a certain look and could talk. His matches were just ok.
Getting beat by a jobber in MMA ruined his brand too
@@FallicIdol Uh, DUH! There's no such thing as a jobber in MMA! You don't "job" to anyone in MMA - you're SUPPOSED to try to win.
Also, nothing about CM Punk was ruined just because he failed at MMA. If you mean by that that it exposed the wrestling business, that's ludicrous, since society was decades removed from what kayfabe once was, and everyone knew that MMA and professional wrestling are DIFFERENT lines of physical work. It's so stupid how years before Punk's UFC run, there were supernatural angles and Mae Young GIVING BIRTH TO A HAND which all had no realism whatsoever, yet to some people Punk losing in a different line of work they knew he was inexperienced in and starting too late in life at makes the wrestling business look illegitimate.
Like MJF said, he looks like a meth head. It was hard for me to take AEW serious when they signed Punk.
@@ryanodonovan9497 Didn’t read your full sperg. Cry mor
@@FallicIdol If you're not going to take notice, that just makes you look more stupid for replying. But I guess it's no wonder when you clearly know nothing of crying and think that jobbing exists in MMA.
It's work it's work
Jesus.. what happened to Val?
He’s about 54 man😂
He aged... come on man... it happens to the lucky ones
He also lost weight due to training for marathons
He still works out but when you get off the juice you lose major weight
@@valvenisfanclub3669 this answer makes the mor sense.
Val looking like Gillberg these days...oh my.
Yeah that happens. It's called getting old. I know this is hard to fathom, but it happens to everyone..
Youll look like shit in 20+ years too.
@@MrRwk314 not likely. I'm almost 40 and people still mistake me for being in my mid-late 20s.
It was the muffins
It has always bothered me immensely when someone treats a championship with disrespect. Being recognized as the best and getting the spotlight and big money is the groundwork for everything else that happens. I'll spare a lengthy dissertation, but I blame the cultural shift toward people being ruled by their emotions and not wanting to earn things for the extreme focus on feuds over titles.
I'm just bummed out cause Punk's nonsense overshadowed all the great stuff from that night. Shame.
I don't think he handled it in the best way that he could have. But I know for a fact that there was no best way to handle it outside of just letting these fake journalists write fake stories that slander him. This whole situation has been ridiculous, and I'm a guy who has said for a very long time CM punk is one of the more overrated wrestlers in the industry, but to have any other take outside of Tony Khan is a shitty booker, a worse owner, and three three 40 year olds who label themselves as executive vice Presidents behaving like middle school children is unforgivable. They used to CM punk's troubled past with WWE, which let's be real, it's just because he spoke his mind and stuck up for himself. I challenge any of you in this comment section to ever try to work for Vince McMahon, 9 out of 10 and you would be crying, and calling your mother's after the first day. They used that though to make him a scapegoat. Now what sense is that? Your number one draw, you're going to use as the scapegoat? This is ridiculous, all these wrestling channels and people bashing punk are objectively wrong.
amen!
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I have to be honest. I just never liked CM Punk. But when people say stuff about him being a A hole, or selfish, or whatever they say I don't agree because the Wrestling business has always been a cesspool of sh t, just like the entertainment industry, so while the things he says and does might sound f cked up to the real world, in the Wrestling World it seems almost business as usual.
It's a work
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Even if it's a work, I'm not interested in it cause the people he went off on weren't there to make a rebuttal and being suspended afterwards killed that possible angle. Also him making TK his bitch in the scrum and completely dismissing the fact he was gifted another championship, when his body can't clearly go as it used to is another buzz kill.
So if the belt is the pinnacle…and the results are predetermined what does it mean to be championed of the organization…. Does it mean you bring the most eyes to the org. The one that sells the most pay previews …the one that sell the most merchandise… the one that takes the most orders from the org. Because it clearly doesn’t mean you’re the best athlete or wrestler 🤔
Its was a work
Punk. He is a good fighter but his ego is his greatest enemy. Never forget it's happened twice under different management
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Punk is a punk
A good question would have been, did you always talk like that or did you start talking like that because of the Val Venis character and just stuck with it? And if you took Edge's gimmick instead of the adult film star gimmick do you think you would still be leading the Judgement Day right now?
I don't think so, I think they cast both character correctly , sad Val couldn't get past the mid card
@@valvenisfanclub3669 Edge said that he was pitched the Val Venis gimmick first and turned it down. It was great at the time, but I can see how there wouldn't be an expectation of longevity (ha ha) with that character. He still seems like a heck of a guy, wish they were able to evolve him better, although I don't really remember how his run in WWE ended.
Great mind for the buisness
To be honest punk was never your typical Indy wrestler, not as val intended here (work way too fast, too many bumps, no selling). Punk was a lot more methodical and had high ring IQ even being a "Indy wrestler".
CM Skunk
Tony Khan or I don't have to answer that question do i?
CM Punk is talented, but he’s a cry baby.
Val should know girls there and champagne flowing with ric doesn’t have to be winning a title brushing his teeth is a reason aswell
CM Punk is honest to a fault. he just lost out on a lucerative 3 year contract. Shame he was too stupid to pick a hill
Val Venus the biggest no talent hack in pro wrestling who really believes he was good.
This guy val venis. You can tell was on a ton of steroids when he was in the wwe
Thank goodness punk worked with val or the world wouldn't know about him. Gtfoh
Val is a Legend
The problem is that Val used to be all about free speech and speaking your mind - but really he's just a corporate company guy. Then again, that's what usually happens as you get older. You give up. You stop being on the cutting edge and standing up for what you believe in and just sell out completely either because you're too tired or the money is good - or maybe you just hopped on a bandwagon when you were younger and never really believed anything you were saying.
Dude phill brooks /cm punk is a asshole period .he's a trouble maker runs his mouth waaaay to much hope he enjoys being unemployed
You sound like an insufferable leftist
Well that comment was stupid lol
In what way does this opinion make Val a company guy?
What are you talking about?
I dunno man. I respect VV. But what would he know? He's never been in that position, not in this era of wrestling. Punk has. Kayfabe isn't what Venis used to recognize anymore.
This is a problem in wrestling. People always talk about how each organization benefits purely while taking advantage of the talent. And yet when a talent speaks up/walks out/creates a moment, they get judged for being ungrateful. The two chicks in WWE recently got crucified for walking away when they felt they were getting taken advantage of. Punk gets judged for the press conference.
Punk won. And shoot or not, he was creating ANOTHER legendary moment in wrestling. He does that consistently. So why are we pretending that he committed yet another unwritten/unspoken wrestling taboo? You tune in to see some real shit... then real shit happens, then people get confused.
His OVW job I’d imagine, I don’t remember the “call up” story, but I don’t think it was too romantic. The punchline of this is Val thinking punk was a “spot monkey”. He’d already worked some fairly well thought of feuds w/ Joe and Raven, etc…but I guess Val is to thank for everything. Cool.
That's my thinking. I love Val, and he's a great ring general, but Punk's pre-WWE work wasn't snap happy indyrific style wrestling. It was really good stuff. In fact, Punk had learned a lot from Raven apparently, and Raven is not remotely a spot monkey fan.
Maybe Val gave his opinion to Punk, and maybe Val led the match, but in no way did Val inform Punk beyond that. Punk already knew what he was doing. Apparently, more than Val, because Punk became world champion.
It's safe to say Val just didn't know who Punk was and assumed he was the usual indy guy. At least he's not denying that punk knew what he was doing during that match.
Punk better watch out, every wrestler saw his MMA career
And?
Why is punk the bad guy? No offence val, you were a mid card wrestler at best, what do you know about being a top guy?
Colt cabana vs cm punk needs to happen, it will draw
Val would be the last guy I’d interview, but I guess Virgil must have been busy.
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He was there in a prominent role during two of the most popular eras in the company. Why would you not want to interview him?
You’re a dork, Josh.
Val is the last opinion I'd care about. He's shown how much of a thinker he is with his Q lover mentality. He couldn't hold Punk's jock strap.
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Dude cm punk can't hold his own jock strap shut up fan boy cm punk basically screwed himself out of a job lol
Tell us you're a Punk fangirl without saying you're a Punk fangirl.
No subs & thinks Val being Val for years =Q mentality. Good to see libtards still reee in their bubbles, give or take the salt.
Funny how when they say "Telling A Story" when in truth, they mean "Keep The Match Boring As Hell"
Val Venis really should not be talking about unprofessional bullshit. And why are we still giving this guy a platform? Let him just rot in obscurity for the rest of his life.
Hello ladies
He’s awesome. Just cause he’s not some woke lib doesn’t make him a bad person
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Who are you?
And yet Val is more professional than CM Phil