Thanks so much for the tutorials! Vent taming is something I have had a super big difficulty with in the game so its always nice to see it laid out so completely. Now to just understand the cooling loop setups for the aqua tuner.
The 500°C is actually quite great. Too bad it's gas so it actually doesn't have much heat energy. But you can use this to turn crude oil into petroleum without risk of overheating it to sour gar. But like said, the vent won't have much heat energy and even a tiny amount of oil will just soak all the heat from it. Still early on this is one of the easiest ways to get oil turned as it doesn't require steel nor plastic or any of the space materials.
Great design, i took the liberty to attach a cool box where the liquid lock used to be ran by the same aquatuner so the hydrogen going to my generators also snakes through the generator area cooling it down before being burned!
A decently cheap/low tech hydrogen tamer method is to make your hydrogen travel through a snake to get to your pump, moderately cool it around the pump and then backfeed and radiate this coolness back through the snake, cooling it before it reaches the pump. Then you just burn the re-heated hydrogen. While this works it also results in the hydrogen having a travel time to get to the pump resulting in a slower extraction speed.
That's a pretty neat way of doing it. Keeping the gas pump safe. Maybe next dormancy cycle I'll play around with your idea and see what I think but I came to this after thinking through my own solution. I used no temperature shift plates because I want all of that heat touching my metal tiles which touch the water basin on my industrial cube through a mechanized door in between more metal tiles doing the open and close trick to create the vacuum insulator if for some reason the cube rises close to overheat temps for steel machinery. But I doubt it will and I want to get maximum temperature out to the steam turbines if possible. I've tried this before with a PO2 vent but I don't remember if it was as hot. Either way, it cooled pretty much instantly to safe for gas pump temps and didn't give me the sauna temps I wanted. But this time my intended target is cooling the hydrogen and the steam heat is the byproduct. So maybe it'll be better. To make use of the hydrogen I use another mechanized airlock inside the sealed vent room. When the temperature gets low enough that I won't break the gas pump, the door opens and floods the pump on the other side of the door in its own vacuum with hydrogen.
Much like eric said its overkill for this vent. its either going to get burnt off vented into space or turned into liquid. Pre cooling it for liquid is pointless as its so cold in that set up it insta drops. 2nd thou is if that pump ever back up the vent will stop emitting thus you lose resources. The all time best set up to tame a vent and never get backed up is to use the same size area but you seal off the pump with a vertical 3 door compressor. moving all the gas from the vent to the pump keeping the vent in a vacuum.
Nice looking, but really excessive build. One way is how somebody mentioned snaking it in tiles and letting it cool naturally, but of course eventually heat will build up. So turbine is needed, but no aqua tuner. You put tempshift plates just behind the vent and some metal tiles just above the vent, some water on them, then insulated tiles and self-cooled turbine. This way You can extract hydrogen at 125 degrees, but if You willing to use more space and do some more work - You can make one tile-wide tunnel from insulated tiles for hydrogen to go up to the turbine, which could be submerged in a tree layers of liquid, where You can place the gas pump and let the self-cooled turbine to cooldown that hydrogen down to 95 C.
Very helpful information, thank you so much! I have hundreds of hours in ONI and have still been a bit scared to tap into a majority of the vents and geysers - I know many could be very helpful, but they could also cook my base alive and I've grown slightly attached to my dupes in this save, lol. XD So looking forward to the other tutorials you mentioned, very cool! Tyfs! Hope you're having a great week. Best of wishes.
I think you skipped a step... I couldn't find a point in the video where you talked about the liquid circulation you have going... When you talked about crude oil I have no idea what you were doing... I don't think I see any point in the video that shows your liquid pipe layout...
Granite is not a good insulator, actually works for pre-radiant pipes prior to having them, and generally as long as you are not heating your base up to absurd levels can just use granite normal pipes with some water to keep it at a good temp. Steal anything does not have 275 C before it overheats. It has an extra 275 C above the base overheat temp of whatever the item is. You could have used roughly 1/9th the diamond or even 0 in the hydrogen room. More eventually just lets less spiky temp changes, but again not needed if you do not have it. Can also use a different temp shift plate as long as it can take 500 C and it might not get to 400 C if it is done right. Could have made the steam room two tiles high with a lot less water. Then used a door to inject heat if needed. Almost all of the above would allow for at least 1000s of cycles. Not saying your design will not last for 1000s of cycles, but most of it is not needed.
It has been running for over 50 cycles now. No back ups and we are using 100% of the hydrogen as power. Eventually the steam would heat to a point where the pump would melt on equilibrium with the hydrogen side, that is the reason for the steam turbine. What's great is that the aquatuner runs less than 3% of time too. At the minimum, it has shown everyone another way of dealing with it.
@@ericab3919 Sorry, combing responses. Someone else said that we would lose resources, and I was letting them know the steam turbine prevents that. I realized in the vid that I think the aquatuner could probably go away and be just fine.
Nice tutorial. I like your style, in both tutorial and let's play. I think you need a 'Aaand we're back'- kinda thing, you know who I am referring to, there are much similarities. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the tutorial. Very helpful. One question, is there an alternative metal shift plate material that will still work? I don't have aluminum at the moment. Thanks!
Once i tried to cool the hydrogen from the vent with several wheezeworts. It didn't work. Darn thing belched so much hot gas, it overwhelmed everything. Bah. If you can get Saturn trap plants, use them instead to generate hydrogen. All you need for farming them are extra critters to feed the plants.
In ONI there are a dozen ways to do everything. If you have an idea, keep trying! Nice recommendation on the trap plants. I plan on doing something with them too.
Any way i could get away with some more standard materials, like ceramic instead of diamond as TS plates, or copper or tunsten instead of aluminum as metal plates? Have no aluminum or cobalt. Thanks for excellent vids!
This is a really nice video. However I don't really get how you cool the hydrogen down to 20 ºC. Hasn't it been exchanging heat with 100ºC steam with gold amalgam as the mediator?
The thermo aquatuner has crude oil probably at 20C which passes behind the steam turbine. The hydrogen and crude are both using radiant pipes, and since there's 10kg of crude vs max 1kg of hydrogen, the short 5-tile exchange is enough to cool the hydrogen from 100C to 20C.
You don't need to double wall if you don't let the plate spread heat into them. You don't need to have the plate touching each other. They even out the heat 1 tile around themselves. Plus, if you set the senor to 3000 you won't get a temp spike when it's going off. More gas helps soak up the heat evening it out because the 3000 is cooler and takes longer to heat up than 500. Nice build thou. But you need to show how to store the extra gas. Without that when the vent isn't active your generators aren't running because they have no gas. It been wasted running your generators all the time burning gas off, so the vent doesn't over pressure.
I have a quick question if anyone can help me? Echo mentioned having the liquid pipe thermo sensor set at -20c but said that this is only temporary. What temp should i set it to? I'm still a little confused about the function of the aquatuner here. I know he mentions in the video that it could possibly work without the aquatuner but I'm not sure I wanna risk it
Huh I'm kinda surprised I made something similar just finding things out but I made one that goes vertical so the hot metal would be touching the water first before the void for faster conversion but I didn't pass the hydrogen through the steam and instead put a separate container on the side that had water that I turned to ice using the aquatuner since I was lacking in the steel department and didn't want my generators overheating coz I made them from cheep metal.
I lost you on the aquatuner bit. Is the aquatuner taking the steam to steam generator and bringing water back to the steam room to become steam after absorbing heat from the hydrogen geyser? Does that mean the steam generator is not putting out heat around it?
Great tutorial, nice solid setup! However the setup is rather expesive, I think your system can handle 5 more hydrogen vents :D Cooling 98,5 g/s of hydrogen from 500C to 125C is only 88,6 DTU/s of heat that needs to be removed, less then 8 wheezeworts of cooling.
Run. It is too hot to deal with early game unless it is dormant. If you do catch it dormant, put some insulated tiles around it and approach it later in suits.
it's just not worth it. if you have the thermal mass you can try to push through relatively early. like piping it through a cold biome, a huge pool of water and so on, but it will eventually have to be tamed. and it's main problem is where you put the gas pump, since eventually it will overheat. meaning you have to bring down the hydrogen down to the working temperature of the pump, if it is steel - to around 250. so if a colder biome is close by you can build a tunnel to there, so it can cool down a bit, pump it and pass it through water. but that is a huge project that will backfire eventually. the time you will spend building it, will be better put at progressing to the midgame, where you will be able to tame it more properly.
I see you use auto sweepers to move your coal to your coal gennies, and to use your steel maker, I tried doing the same thing for my coal generators but the auto sweepers do nothing, how do you get them to transfer coal from the storage to the generator?
This is kinda late for your question but a sweeper by itself is supposed to do nothing. It only takes an item and moves it but has no inventory or capability to put it on a conveyor belt. You need to have a conveyor loader in it's range so the sweeper puts the item in the loader's inventory and then the loader puts it into the conveyor belt so it moves or a conveyor receptacle, which takes items from the conveyor belt into it's inventory and then the sweeper takes them out of the receptacle into a storage box or whatnot. Just don't forget to set the filters on the loader and receptacle to take in the items you want to move so for your example that would be coal. Hope this helps if you still didn't know how to do it
Thanks so much for the tutorials! Vent taming is something I have had a super big difficulty with in the game so its always nice to see it laid out so completely. Now to just understand the cooling loop setups for the aqua tuner.
I will do a tutorial on the aqua tuner soon!
@@EchoRidgeGaming That would be amazing!
The 500°C is actually quite great. Too bad it's gas so it actually doesn't have much heat energy. But you can use this to turn crude oil into petroleum without risk of overheating it to sour gar. But like said, the vent won't have much heat energy and even a tiny amount of oil will just soak all the heat from it. Still early on this is one of the easiest ways to get oil turned as it doesn't require steel nor plastic or any of the space materials.
Great design, i took the liberty to attach a cool box where the liquid lock used to be ran by the same aquatuner so the hydrogen going to my generators also snakes through the generator area cooling it down before being burned!
Tempshift tiles, from what i understand, should not be touching the insulated tiles and that entire room doesn't need to be filled with them.
A decently cheap/low tech hydrogen tamer method is to make your hydrogen travel through a snake to get to your pump, moderately cool it around the pump and then backfeed and radiate this coolness back through the snake, cooling it before it reaches the pump. Then you just burn the re-heated hydrogen.
While this works it also results in the hydrogen having a travel time to get to the pump resulting in a slower extraction speed.
That's a pretty neat way of doing it. Keeping the gas pump safe. Maybe next dormancy cycle I'll play around with your idea and see what I think but I came to this after thinking through my own solution. I used no temperature shift plates because I want all of that heat touching my metal tiles which touch the water basin on my industrial cube through a mechanized door in between more metal tiles doing the open and close trick to create the vacuum insulator if for some reason the cube rises close to overheat temps for steel machinery. But I doubt it will and I want to get maximum temperature out to the steam turbines if possible. I've tried this before with a PO2 vent but I don't remember if it was as hot. Either way, it cooled pretty much instantly to safe for gas pump temps and didn't give me the sauna temps I wanted. But this time my intended target is cooling the hydrogen and the steam heat is the byproduct. So maybe it'll be better.
To make use of the hydrogen I use another mechanized airlock inside the sealed vent room. When the temperature gets low enough that I won't break the gas pump, the door opens and floods the pump on the other side of the door in its own vacuum with hydrogen.
This is really expensive. You could get away with a lot less.
Much like eric said its overkill for this vent. its either going to get burnt off vented into space or turned into liquid. Pre cooling it for liquid is pointless as its so cold in that set up it insta drops.
2nd thou is if that pump ever back up the vent will stop emitting thus you lose resources. The all time best set up to tame a vent and never get backed up is to use the same size area but you seal off the pump with a vertical 3 door compressor. moving all the gas from the vent to the pump keeping the vent in a vacuum.
Nice looking, but really excessive build. One way is how somebody mentioned snaking it in tiles and letting it cool naturally, but of course eventually heat will build up. So turbine is needed, but no aqua tuner. You put tempshift plates just behind the vent and some metal tiles just above the vent, some water on them, then insulated tiles and self-cooled turbine. This way You can extract hydrogen at 125 degrees, but if You willing to use more space and do some more work - You can make one tile-wide tunnel from insulated tiles for hydrogen to go up to the turbine, which could be submerged in a tree layers of liquid, where You can place the gas pump and let the self-cooled turbine to cooldown that hydrogen down to 95 C.
This ^^^
Very helpful information, thank you so much! I have hundreds of hours in ONI and have still been a bit scared to tap into a majority of the vents and geysers - I know many could be very helpful, but they could also cook my base alive and I've grown slightly attached to my dupes in this save, lol. XD So looking forward to the other tutorials you mentioned, very cool!
Tyfs! Hope you're having a great week. Best of wishes.
I hope you have a great week as well! Thank you for the comment and I hope you continue your adventures in ONI with new found courage ;)
You're right mate they are a good resource, thanks!
When i made mine, i used four petro loops to help the heat exchange, this is far better than what i built.
i'm just gonna remove the aquatuner, and put steam room at the top. hydrogen counterflow is a good idea
I think you skipped a step... I couldn't find a point in the video where you talked about the liquid circulation you have going... When you talked about crude oil I have no idea what you were doing... I don't think I see any point in the video that shows your liquid pipe layout...
13:18 - Shows the coolant layout.
Granite is not a good insulator, actually works for pre-radiant pipes prior to having them, and generally as long as you are not heating your base up to absurd levels can just use granite normal pipes with some water to keep it at a good temp.
Steal anything does not have 275 C before it overheats. It has an extra 275 C above the base overheat temp of whatever the item is.
You could have used roughly 1/9th the diamond or even 0 in the hydrogen room. More eventually just lets less spiky temp changes, but again not needed if you do not have it. Can also use a different temp shift plate as long as it can take 500 C and it might not get to 400 C if it is done right.
Could have made the steam room two tiles high with a lot less water. Then used a door to inject heat if needed.
Almost all of the above would allow for at least 1000s of cycles. Not saying your design will not last for 1000s of cycles, but most of it is not needed.
This is super overkill lmao. Oni gases have a bonus temperature transfer rate to solids, so you could probably just have a steam room and metal tiles.
It has been running for over 50 cycles now. No back ups and we are using 100% of the hydrogen as power. Eventually the steam would heat to a point where the pump would melt on equilibrium with the hydrogen side, that is the reason for the steam turbine. What's great is that the aquatuner runs less than 3% of time too. At the minimum, it has shown everyone another way of dealing with it.
@@EchoRidgeGaming pump wouldn't melt. Equilibrium would be slightly above the steam temperature of 125.
Oh I meant steam room + turbine, but no tempshift plate or cooling loop
@@ericab3919 Sorry, combing responses. Someone else said that we would lose resources, and I was letting them know the steam turbine prevents that. I realized in the vid that I think the aquatuner could probably go away and be just fine.
@@EchoRidgeGaming you the best I woke up this morning and watched your whole video over a cup of coffee. Most oni builds are overkill imo.
Nice tutorial. I like your style, in both tutorial and let's play. I think you need a 'Aaand we're back'- kinda thing, you know who I am referring to, there are much similarities. Keep up the good work.
FJ's build is much more ludicrous that I can't follow, only to watch in awe. This build is more humane and copyable for casual player.
Thanks for the tutorial. Very helpful. One question, is there an alternative metal shift plate material that will still work? I don't have aluminum at the moment. Thanks!
Cobalt is great too.
I literally just dug the smallest hole and put a gold amalgam gaspump idk why but it never gets pass 120°c
You could also just not tame it and directly feed it into a hydrogen generator but you would lose a lot of energy from the heat that way.
Once i tried to cool the hydrogen from the vent with several wheezeworts. It didn't work. Darn thing belched so much hot gas, it overwhelmed everything. Bah.
If you can get Saturn trap plants, use them instead to generate hydrogen. All you need for farming them are extra critters to feed the plants.
In ONI there are a dozen ways to do everything. If you have an idea, keep trying! Nice recommendation on the trap plants. I plan on doing something with them too.
Any way i could get away with some more standard materials, like ceramic instead of diamond as TS plates, or copper or tunsten instead of aluminum as metal plates? Have no aluminum or cobalt. Thanks for excellent vids!
why you didn't put any temp shift plate inside the steam room?
This is a really nice video. However I don't really get how you cool the hydrogen down to 20 ºC. Hasn't it been exchanging heat with 100ºC steam with gold amalgam as the mediator?
The thermo aquatuner has crude oil probably at 20C which passes behind the steam turbine. The hydrogen and crude are both using radiant pipes, and since there's 10kg of crude vs max 1kg of hydrogen, the short 5-tile exchange is enough to cool the hydrogen from 100C to 20C.
You don't need to double wall if you don't let the plate spread heat into them. You don't need to have the plate touching each other. They even out the heat 1 tile around themselves. Plus, if you set the senor to 3000 you won't get a temp spike when it's going off. More gas helps soak up the heat evening it out because the 3000 is cooler and takes longer to heat up than 500. Nice build thou. But you need to show how to store the extra gas. Without that when the vent isn't active your generators aren't running because they have no gas. It been wasted running your generators all the time burning gas off, so the vent doesn't over pressure.
9:15 lmao
I have a quick question if anyone can help me? Echo mentioned having the liquid pipe thermo sensor set at -20c but said that this is only temporary. What temp should i set it to? I'm still a little confused about the function of the aquatuner here. I know he mentions in the video that it could possibly work without the aquatuner but I'm not sure I wanna risk it
Huh I'm kinda surprised I made something similar just finding things out but I made one that goes vertical so the hot metal would be touching the water first before the void for faster conversion but I didn't pass the hydrogen through the steam and instead put a separate container on the side that had water that I turned to ice using the aquatuner since I was lacking in the steel department and didn't want my generators overheating coz I made them from cheep metal.
You kinda sound like Carl's sims guide
I lost you on the aquatuner bit. Is the aquatuner taking the steam to steam generator and bringing water back to the steam room to become steam after absorbing heat from the hydrogen geyser? Does that mean the steam generator is not putting out heat around it?
Why bother to bring pipes all the way up if you brought heavy wat wire downstairs anyway?
Do you think this will work for a hot polluted oxygen vent? They both erupt at 500 degrees. Now that I think of it, a CO2 vent is also 500 degrees.
Great guide :)
Thank you.
Great tutorial, nice solid setup!
However the setup is rather expesive, I think your system can handle 5 more hydrogen vents :D
Cooling 98,5 g/s of hydrogen from 500C to 125C is only 88,6 DTU/s of heat that needs to be removed, less then 8 wheezeworts of cooling.
Yeah, it is more than we need, but at least we know it will last :)
yeah...I am completly lost lol, I guess I am stuck with solar, I have no idea what you did here. isnt there easier setup than this insanity ?
Can I use water for vacuuming too?
That is a good guide. Do you have any tips for what to do with it if you find one early game, the first 100 cycles?
Run. It is too hot to deal with early game unless it is dormant. If you do catch it dormant, put some insulated tiles around it and approach it later in suits.
@@EchoRidgeGaming Thank you. The one I fund is covered up.
it's just not worth it.
if you have the thermal mass you can try to push through relatively early. like piping it through a cold biome, a huge pool of water and so on, but it will eventually have to be tamed. and it's main problem is where you put the gas pump, since eventually it will overheat. meaning you have to bring down the hydrogen down to the working temperature of the pump, if it is steel - to around 250. so if a colder biome is close by you can build a tunnel to there, so it can cool down a bit, pump it and pass it through water. but that is a huge project that will backfire eventually.
the time you will spend building it, will be better put at progressing to the midgame, where you will be able to tame it more properly.
I see you use auto sweepers to move your coal to your coal gennies, and to use your steel maker, I tried doing the same thing for my coal generators but the auto sweepers do nothing, how do you get them to transfer coal from the storage to the generator?
This is kinda late for your question but a sweeper by itself is supposed to do nothing. It only takes an item and moves it but has no inventory or capability to put it on a conveyor belt. You need to have a conveyor loader in it's range so the sweeper puts the item in the loader's inventory and then the loader puts it into the conveyor belt so it moves or a conveyor receptacle, which takes items from the conveyor belt into it's inventory and then the sweeper takes them out of the receptacle into a storage box or whatnot. Just don't forget to set the filters on the loader and receptacle to take in the items you want to move so for your example that would be coal. Hope this helps if you still didn't know how to do it
I can see mickey mouse delivering water to that room....