Agreed! James Purefoy is hugely charismatic. He can take a volatile, deeply flawed character and make him not only likable but downright sympathetic. Even when Mark Antony was being a bully, I still found myself taking his side.
+Bütes Mark Antony was a kind of prophet defining the superiority of ROME over GoT even if it had not existed yet. Despite winter is coming .... winter doesn't last forever. Spring comes, snows melt. Snows always melt. (Jon Snow and his fans shall not take it personal;)
Loved Purefoy's version of Marc Anthony. So badass, vulgar, and loveable. I love when he said, "now that is a real soldier for you. Most men would just slip away, but this one, he asks for permission before he deserts me." Delicious sarcasm.
@@carolinelynch2823 Sometimes he was. Sometimes he definitely was not. In general he was very generous to those loyal to him, but wouldn't bat an eye to have anyone who had crossed him murdered. In that sense he never learned from Caesar (a man who in plenty of times forgave and spared his enemies' lifes, and earned a lot of respect for doing so).
@@andrewwaldock Only because Caesar got overconfident. In his last months he wasn't even pretending anymore, probably he thought he was untouchable by that stage. Had he tried to at least dissimulate a bit, not be such "in your face" about the way he was grabbing power for himself, and had he been more attentive to the true results his actions were having (essentially, had he been a bit more "octavian-esque"), he'd not been assassinated. So I say it'd worked very well for him in the end because what got him killed wasn't his mercy, but his overconfidence.
“ ahh general Posca speaks” the dialogue & casting in this show it’s some of the best I’ve ever seen. So much chemistry between actors it all feels natural.
I just love, how in one scene they managed convey so much information, historical facts humor and still stick to the storyline. How it is possible this show did not have enough viewers?
Isabella H I don't think the viewers were the problem. It was very popular ( for its genre ) But 9-12 million per episode was just too expensive. Even Game of Thrones is only at 6 million per episode.
TOTCD Every second was worth every single penny spent. This kind of shows was not so popular 10 years ago. GOt was easier to produce, beceause it is a fiction. The producers do not need to meet any demands as far as historical accuracy.
Too cliche, methinks. One of the things that made Mark Antony famous was his speech for Caesar's funeral, and I think HBO wanted to divert from that stereotype Mark Antony, and focus on his military, and political endeavors instead
@@marvinamor1330 What's expensive about having him make a speech though...? They already have the sets and they included scenes with large amounts of extras all time, I don't understand.
@@StrawberryLegacy You still have to pay the actors, the prop guys, set creators, secondary characters, and other such people. That money that can be diverted into other parts of the show to help it along.
I think he did more good for Antony's forces than even Antony at that moment. Marc Antony is trying to keep morale up. If you're an ordinary soldier, you didn't hear what was said. You just see a high-ranking soldier leaving with Antony's permission. Probably on some kind of mission; why else would Antony permit such a thing? So then, Antony gives a defiant speech about how he's not beaten yet. Lots of losing generals make defiant speeches. It's usually empty threats and empty promises. But then Titus Pullo gives him a vote of confidence. It doesn't matter that he's not a soldier anymore, or even if none of the legionnaires know who he is (so much the better if they know his reputation). It's in Pullo's voice. He sounds strong, fierce, upbeat. He doesn't sound tired or defeated, he sounds positive. A soldier not knowing anything but Anthony's speech and Pullo's response is going to take heart.
Pullo's loyalty was to Lucius first and fuck the rest of them "Will do Chief" is a form of saying, "yep, no problem,boss" Let's get the fuck out of here before that prick, Mark Anthony changes his mind
If he didn't let him go, Antony knew that Vorenus would have left on his own. If he deserted, he would not come back. By letting him go, this gave both of them a reason to maintain a relationship.
@@immortaljanus Perhaps but still, he didn't know if Vorenus would have came back ansd what's more Mark Antony had lost so many soldiers than losing one as good and loyal as Vorenus must have been hard, that's why I'm sorprised of his reaction
I have to admire Posca. He's got the guts and the sharp wit to handle Marc Anthony. I think Anthony and Caesar respected him even though he was a slave .
@@MCshadr217 While Posca wasn't a real person, the slaves of the generals and emperors were very powerful. Augustus' slaves for instance were given important administrative jobs and even command of provinces, they were so powerful that they even talked down to senators. It's likely that there was a few slaves like Posca around Antony, Caesar and Octavian.
If you are going to look at it, the Tribune is the same soldier who reports under Ceasar about battle reports and soldier numbers/casualties. Along with Posca, Anthony still has the loyalty of Ceasars men.
Not sure which Tribunus it is here. Military tribunes of the Legions after Marian reform has a broad stripe tribune, who are usually young senatorial class members who's there to learn, as part of the cursus honorum, and the thin stripe, who are from equestrian class. They are 2nd in command to the Legatus. In the past, Tribunus had more responsibilities, such as Publius Scipio taking command after Cannae. But after the reform, Legatus essentially replaced Tribunus, with Caesar Legatus includes Labienus, Antonius to name a few. It would have been more appropriate for the soldier to have been a Legates. But, it's unnecessary.
Marc Antony had a point. Any terms that put Octavian on top would inevitably lead to Marc Antony's death. Even if Antony couldn't win, his choice is still to die in battle, or kill himself, or be taken captive, humiliated, tortured, and _then_ killed. So he had no reason not to fight to the bitter end... and things change. Maybe he could still win somehow. Other than perhaps as a heroic sacrifice to spare his men.
@@theprogram863 Anthony was between a rock and a hard place. On one hand, he hated politics, on the other hand, he did not want to serve under a little boy (Octavian).
Technically speaking Octavian didn't win, Aulus Hirtius and Pansa won the battle but were killed in combat at Mutina and Forum Gallorum, that is why later on in the show Antony said "he never even left his tent" which is true. Even then Antony inflicted more casualties on them and managed to retreat in good order without routing, and he did all that even though he only had half their number.
Octavian was the one directing his forces from his tent or what not he was still calling the shots on strategy as the imperator.Besides Augustus Octavian would go on to humiliate Antony and the Egyptian slut Cleopatra Navy at the battle of actium.So what's your point
@@taskforceknight9336 Wasnt Octavian either, that was Agrippa. Its actually pretty well documented that Octavian did very little military commanding, but he just absolutely dominated economics, personal wealth and the political game.
@@taskforceknight9336 Dude Octavian didn't know and cared shit about military and battle tactics. Read a book. Agrippa was his go to guy when it comes to war. Octavian just funded Agrippa and Agrippa won the battles for him. That's why later in Octavian's rule Agrippa was in such a powerful position, Octavian feared that he will defy him because he didn't have another general as great as Agrippa. He averted the civil war with a diplomatic marriage. If you make a list of greatest generals of Rome, Agrippa would be in top 3 and Octavian wouldn't even make it to the top 100. Agrippa was badass. Shame this show portrayed him as a young foolish guy. They did the same to Lepidus as well.
@@taskforceknight9336 octavian didnt have any official power at that point in time. Hirtius and Pansa were the appointed consuls Octavian also was maybe the worst military leader of romes leaders. He couldnt handle his nerves, had a well documented panic attack vs Brutus in Greece. Only help was that Brutus & Cassius equalled him in incompetence. His strenghts lied elsewhere. In short Octavian sucked bigtime regarding anything tactical on the battlefield. The absolute opposite to Caesar in that regard.
@@randomuser6175 They never really portray Octavian as a military leader in the show either. Even when Octavian was out in the field, he was basically just delegating the task to others who were more qualified, which is actually smart. A lot of military leaders have made huge mistakes precisely because they took it upon themselves to make big decisions, rather than to rely on more experienced subordinates to make those decisions. Octavian was like a much more modern political leader in this respect. They're able to make strategic decisions about when to go to war, and they make managerial decisions regarding the hierarchy and composition of the military, but they leave the specifics of field command up to their generals and admirals.
I think I have a condition. I have a small middle aged Greek in my ear. It won't go away and is most persistent with it's assurances of fiscal solvency and inevitable world dominion. Have tried rinsing with saline. No success.
@@michaellejeune7715 I was going to suggest banishing him to the island of Bankruptos, where real Greek values are still practised, but in the end I went for this instead.
This whole scene, is both humorous and great for Purefoy's version of Antony. From asking to desert, to the stitching, and his talk with Posca. I loved this show and laughed while having to take him seriously. You also never see many soldiers or men portrayed like this much or very often anymore.
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants I know this is a reply to a comment made 3 year ago, but that's one of the points. When he was a slave, he was super subservient. But when he became free, he became more and more lazy and arrogant. The transition would've been more smooth if they had more seasons but the second season was so rushed that his character development was too rough
@@donnymoney4222 It is a known bug of the vanilla Rome experience, factions offering protectorate/"please do not attack" and doing it next turn (attacking), the Rome Remastered apparently fixes this.
@@DutchGuyMike I hope they even fixed the constant rebellions of cities reaching a certain population level. no matter if you are playing with the German and manage your German-culture cities or you are going with one of the Roman factions and managing Latin-cities, or any other culture can be mentioned, they always fucking rebel. when any of the Roman cities reach 25k pop, you can have a fucking Hippodrome, Grand Coloseum, biggest freaking temples, nothing helps. just leaving the city with the garrison, recapturing it and fucking massacre them to make them stand in line again, at least for a certain amount of time
+Badjoke Maker Better General than Republic leader, I'll say. Never heard much in the way of complaints of him as a General or military soldier. Just as a politician and handling money.
Antony was an excellent "general" or may be military commander. It is not commonly known, but he supressed rebel in Judea when he was 26, he took part in Egyptian civil war between Ptolemy Aulet and his eldest daughter Berenice. Later he came straight to Caesar in Gaul. In Caesar's commentaries are excellent descrptions of ambushes prepared by Antony fighting pompeians in civil war. Philippi was his idea as Octavian didn't have any military experinece.
Badjoke Maker ..Mark Antony was not defeated by that fucking boy,when Caesar was murdered by some members of the senate,Octavion knew about the plan to kill Caesar,why that fucking boy did not face alone with his 4 legions to Brutos? when Antony took charge of Egipt and all Asia,he was fighting 2 wars,one with the fucking called himself caesar ant the other war was when he tried to fight THE PERSIAN ARMY he wanted to conquest the persian as ALEXADER DID IT.50.000 romans soldier died with trying to take control.for Antony,Brutos were the though guys after caesar died.
HBO Rome's version of Marc was not a good political leader, but damn he knew how to lead and inspire fighting men. I cannot praise the writing and acting highly enough.
I lie to compare him to murat or ney under napoleon they were great commanders as long as they served under someone else leading a part of an army is a whole different thing than leading an army no matter how large it is and of course antony was great at both but he was better at serving
Sebastian Schwärzel First off, I already like you for knowing who Ney and Murat are. They were great subordinates but not very good supreme commanders; Mark Antony on the other hand was a great subordinate and almost as good in overall command. He just wasn't nearly as good of a politician as he was a soldier where the reverse is true of Octavian, but he had Agrippa to handle all of his military affairs. However Antony did not have a "political Agrippa".
Purefoy's performance really made this show. Sarcastic, crude, just over the top enough to be awesome. At this stage, one doesn't see how he could EVER lose to Octavian but....well...along came CLEO.
This show really is stuck in my brain. Whenever I read about the actual historical figures, I can only picture the actors from this show. ESPECIALLY James Purefoy as Mark Antony.
I love how they showed no one was really Caesar's equal. Marc Antony had his war skill and charisma, Octavian had his PR and manipulation, and Brutus had his prestige and family connections. But none of them had them all, and eventually Octavian came out on top. Idk if it was like that in real life, but it's an interesting one in this story.
It was to an extent, Octavian relied a lot on Marcus Agrippa who was a brilliant general, they were a match made in heaven because Octavian DID have the charisma, political skills, and family prestige of Caesar, however he was sickly and physically weak and not as martially brilliant as Caesar, but he had Agrippa to back him up so he was just as unstoppable as Caesar
It’s funny that you say that. The one thing I’m really sorry about in any product that talks about Caesar is that they always forget about Caesar’s equal. There was this guy, Labienus. Same age as Caesar, long time friends. On Caesars first run as Consul he put Labienus as Praetor (the second most prestigious office in Rome) and when he left for Gaul he took Labienus with him as his second in command. Had things gone in Ceasar’s way, we wouldn’t be talking about Mark Anthony because most of the things Caesar put him to do were things he normally would’ve sent Labienus to do. But Labienus sided with Pompey at the beginning of the Civil War and the he died at a battle in what today is Spain, so Caesar needs someone to replace him. In comes Anthony. Who messes up big time when Caesar left him in charge of Rome. Caesar then replaces him with Lepidus, who does a decent job, I guess, but not outstanding and not particularly popular. The in comes Octavian, who has the name, a bit of the charisma and a bit of the money, but is a complete mess in military subjects and is a bit careless in political issues. But, he has an advantage. The guy makes friends wherever he goes. Caesar’s about to kill a Pompeyan supporter, Octavian pops up with the man’s son and convinces Caesar to spare his life. The son’s name is Marcus Agripa by the way. Caesar sends Octavian to a school out of Italy, he comes back with a friend who turns out to be the best propagandists guy of his generation. I can imagine Caesar’s mental process while writing his will being something like: “Well, I couldn’t make out half a Labienus out of those 3 childs even if I combine them. But at least the brat Octavian has no problem learning from those around him and has enough common sense to not mess with stuff he doesn’t understand and let the pros work. Yep, to glory you go kid.”
Nice to see Gracus standing in the back, he was marching with Caesar in the first season and Caesar asked him to change the marching music, this show paid so much attention to these small details
I feel like a fool for not buying the Rome DVD before, because I already have seen many versions of this history, from the Italian TV to the some U. S. versions, never the less, all of them have in common that had a very idealistic view of Octavian, Julius Caesar and Mark Antony, even Cleopatra, but this TV Show, show how really were the Roman politics were, and I only see that briefly in the Italian miniseries about Octavio Augusto.
"I do hope so, if this is the afterlife it is extremely disappointing!" LOL Posca. XD I loved Posca. "ARE YOU STITCHING ME UP OR MAKING A DRESS?!?!?!?!" Antony, once more a lovable jackass. "And after that?" "...I'll think of something. GODDAMMIT MAN!!!!!!" Classic anyone/Antony banter.
I am fascinated about Ancient Rome,all the opulence and intrigues.This show was so good..the characters,the script and the decors.Mark Antony had an unique irony,brilliant🤩
"A true soldier. Most men just slip away into the night, he asks for permission before he deserts me." If that doesn't describe me to a T I don't know what does.
The writing is extraordinarily good, just read the comments. A bad writer will just show the two leaving. But here, we see how Antony is soldier-like, how Posca is sarcastic and realistic, as well as how Pollo is playful and carefree. All in a single scene.
This was the best show about Rome that I have ever watched. They literally put the best actors, story line, the environmentm music and potentially the portrayal of life between the nobles and roman citizens to slavery. I feel that if all forms of government collapsed and a new one emerges in infancy, I feel as though we would all go back to the same form of how Rome was structured. As long as there is a ruler, there is a government.
@@ottomanpapyrus9365 At Actium things did not go his way, soldiers were ill because of staying too close to the water for too long, defection, i read somewhere someone stole is war plan and took it to octavian, the presence of Cleopatra certainly did not help
Hate it how Anthony lost... Octavian is a scheming, cowardly, nerdish little bookworm who tries too hard, while Anthony is a real man and a charismatic leader.
A couple of errors here: Antony's time was decades after the military reforms of Gaius Marius, which eliminated the maniple as a military unit in favor of the cohort. Each legion was comprised of 10 cohorts. We the viewer hear the damage done to the 8th, 9th, and 10th cohorts of what is most likely Anthony's third legion, followed up by a preview of the damage done to his fourth legion (even though Antony did not command a Legio III or Legio IV at Mutina). Antony then orders the disbandment of the 4th cohort to reinforce the 3rd, but the question remains - what of the other mauled cohorts? This leaves one logical conclusion: he meant to say "disband the 4th LEGION and use the survivors to reinforce the Third."
- It's my children, sir. They're alive, and in slavery.
- Good news, bad news, eh?
That line always gets me🤣
I spat my drink out
Not great, not terrible.
3.6 cohorts wiped out.
Soldier loses his leg
"He'll be fine, I've seen worse."
How is he alive? He got stabbed through his stomach and was killed in the previous episode.
Purefoy's flawless performance as Antony was undeniably the best thing about this great series. He stole the show.
He seems to do that. I felt he stole the show in The Following, as well. He's very underrated and my favorite actor.
You have taste. I hope he get's a Game of Thrones role before it's over.
I think I remember reading that him and Kevin McKidd hate GoT for "stealing their show"
Agreed! James Purefoy is hugely charismatic. He can take a volatile, deeply flawed character and make him not only likable but downright sympathetic. Even when Mark Antony was being a bully, I still found myself taking his side.
+Bütes Mark Antony was a kind of prophet defining the superiority of ROME over GoT even if it had not existed yet.
Despite winter is coming .... winter doesn't last forever. Spring comes, snows melt.
Snows always melt.
(Jon Snow and his fans shall not take it personal;)
"If this IS the afterlife I'm extremely disappointed" HAHAHA, Posca, what a guy.
LOL !!! Yeah that was a funny line. Posca could get away with speaking his mind and cracking wise to both Caesar and Antony.
Posca is lowkey my fav
He a comedians
General Posca, herald of Jupiter.
How could you not get this quote right though, it's right there in the video :|
Loved Purefoy's version of Marc Anthony. So badass, vulgar, and loveable. I love when he said, "now that is a real soldier for you. Most men would just slip away, but this one, he asks for permission before he deserts me." Delicious sarcasm.
Kashiroymaru has very beautiful brown eyes too.
Was Mark Antony a merciful man?
@@carolinelynch2823 Sometimes he was. Sometimes he definitely was not. In general he was very generous to those loyal to him, but wouldn't bat an eye to have anyone who had crossed him murdered. In that sense he never learned from Caesar (a man who in plenty of times forgave and spared his enemies' lifes, and earned a lot of respect for doing so).
Though how well that worked out for Caesar is debatable :)
@@andrewwaldock Only because Caesar got overconfident. In his last months he wasn't even pretending anymore, probably he thought he was untouchable by that stage. Had he tried to at least dissimulate a bit, not be such "in your face" about the way he was grabbing power for himself, and had he been more attentive to the true results his actions were having (essentially, had he been a bit more "octavian-esque"), he'd not been assassinated. So I say it'd worked very well for him in the end because what got him killed wasn't his mercy, but his overconfidence.
"Surrender!? That's fucking slave talk! We'll have no more of that." Antony had so many damn good lines
😂😂😂
“If we ask kind enough, Pompey might even suck Poskas dick!”
Yeah, sure. It's been remembered like "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn." and "I'll make'im an offer he can't refuse." 🙄
There are rumours that Antony is still being stitched.
What I heard was that he did finally finish the stitching, but that Marc Anthony now wears a dress on this shoulder.
There are rumours that there will be rumours
Even to this day..
@@melablu8888 What a turn
My father, a thread maker, passed the trade down to me. Generations of my family spent in service
“ ahh general Posca speaks” the dialogue & casting in this show it’s some of the best I’ve ever seen. So much chemistry between actors it all feels natural.
Posca could have been a renowned Roman if he had been free/commanded an army, I'm sure!
@@DutchGuyMike As of this point in the story, Posca is a free man after Julius had died as part of his will.
posca as a slave had more power than anyy other man, ceaser himself would cousle him
😂😂😂😂
@@Excalibur01 He enjoyed being with Caesar and later with Antony
I just love, how in one scene they managed convey so much information, historical facts humor and still stick to the storyline. How it is possible this show did not have enough viewers?
***** The show had enough viewers but was too expensive in the making. Same reason reason Boardwalk Empire got cancelled for example.
Isabella H I don't think the viewers were the problem. It was very popular ( for its genre )
But 9-12 million per episode was just too expensive. Even Game of Thrones is only at 6 million per episode.
TOTCD
Every second was worth every single penny spent. This kind of shows was not so popular 10 years ago. GOt was easier to produce, beceause it is a fiction. The producers do not need to meet any demands as far as historical accuracy.
Isabella H You think it would be a bigger hit if it came out in this decade?
***** Sadly so true..
James Purefoy is truly Mark Antony, it is such a pity they cut out his funeral oration for Caesar. That would have been something.
Too cliche, methinks. One of the things that made Mark Antony famous was his speech for Caesar's funeral, and I think HBO wanted to divert from that stereotype Mark Antony, and focus on his military, and political endeavors instead
@@MM-vs2et The only reason they cut it off was because of budget constraints. Even the director wanted to show it if they had the budget.
@@marvinamor1330 What's expensive about having him make a speech though...? They already have the sets and they included scenes with large amounts of extras all time, I don't understand.
I wanted to see how they'd do the scene from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar where he tries to offer Caesar a crown, too
@@StrawberryLegacy You still have to pay the actors, the prop guys, set creators, secondary characters, and other such people. That money that can be diverted into other parts of the show to help it along.
haha I love how Pullo kind of kills the seriousness of what Antony is saying.
"Will do Chief!"
TheGorilla55215 hahahahahaha just thinking the same. Pullo can't wait to get on his bike.
TheGorilla55215 especially that he’s on the other side 😂😂
I think he did more good for Antony's forces than even Antony at that moment. Marc Antony is trying to keep morale up. If you're an ordinary soldier, you didn't hear what was said. You just see a high-ranking soldier leaving with Antony's permission. Probably on some kind of mission; why else would Antony permit such a thing?
So then, Antony gives a defiant speech about how he's not beaten yet. Lots of losing generals make defiant speeches. It's usually empty threats and empty promises. But then Titus Pullo gives him a vote of confidence. It doesn't matter that he's not a soldier anymore, or even if none of the legionnaires know who he is (so much the better if they know his reputation). It's in Pullo's voice. He sounds strong, fierce, upbeat. He doesn't sound tired or defeated, he sounds positive. A soldier not knowing anything but Anthony's speech and Pullo's response is going to take heart.
@@EzraDair Ya that's the best part, Antony isn't even his chief. That fact probably crosses Marc's mind after Pullo says that but he's like, whatever.
I love Pullo he is like "Will do Chief" lol
is Pullo's way of saying "yes yes, ok"
lol yeah considering Pullo was already sworn to Augustus. Sure I'll tell them alright.
It's the British version of "Sure thing brah!" :D
Pullo's loyalty was to Lucius first and fuck the rest of them
"Will do Chief" is a form of saying, "yep, no problem,boss"
Let's get the fuck out of here before that prick, Mark Anthony changes his mind
But Pullo never asked to leave the legion. Just Vorenus 🤔
I like how Mark Antony really cares for Lucius Vorenus. I was actually amazed when he let them go from the army so easily
Or Vorenus' loyalty to Antony. Even in his darkest final days Vorenus stuck by Antony's side and refused to betray him.
@@bronxgroyper6568 Yes Vorenus has always been a loyal person to his friends and military partners, even in the worst moments
If he didn't let him go, Antony knew that Vorenus would have left on his own. If he deserted, he would not come back. By letting him go, this gave both of them a reason to maintain a relationship.
@@immortaljanus Perhaps but still, he didn't know if Vorenus would have came back ansd what's more Mark Antony had lost so many soldiers than losing one as good and loyal as Vorenus must have been hard, that's why I'm sorprised of his reaction
How is he alive? He got stabbed through his stomach and was killed in the previous episode.
Oh, general Posca speaks
I have to admire Posca. He's got the guts and the sharp wit to handle Marc Anthony. I think Anthony and Caesar respected him even though he was a slave .
Anne Boleyn respecting him? That's fucking slave talk no we will have no more of that
Anna Boleyn damn ive never considired encounter one of you on youtube
He's also a fictional character. Caeser never had a slave like this.
NothingToo Spiffy That’s just back and forth however, as you can see Anthony didn’t mind continuing to hear him out after he yelled that.
@@MCshadr217 While Posca wasn't a real person, the slaves of the generals and emperors were very powerful. Augustus' slaves for instance were given important administrative jobs and even command of provinces, they were so powerful that they even talked down to senators. It's likely that there was a few slaves like Posca around Antony, Caesar and Octavian.
Posca and Antony together are just golden.
Sacha Daenens prefer Posca and Julius Caesar
I prefer Antony and his sidekick Cato The Younger
If you are going to look at it, the Tribune is the same soldier who reports under Ceasar about battle reports and soldier numbers/casualties. Along with Posca, Anthony still has the loyalty of Ceasars men.
Some of them did. Many others sided with Octavian as the lawful and rightful heir of Caesar.
Not sure which Tribunus it is here. Military tribunes of the Legions after Marian reform has a broad stripe tribune, who are usually young senatorial class members who's there to learn, as part of the cursus honorum, and the thin stripe, who are from equestrian class. They are 2nd in command to the Legatus. In the past, Tribunus had more responsibilities, such as Publius Scipio taking command after Cannae. But after the reform, Legatus essentially replaced Tribunus, with Caesar Legatus includes Labienus, Antonius to name a few. It would have been more appropriate for the soldier to have been a Legates. But, it's unnecessary.
Marc: That fucking slave talk?
Posca: North to the mountains then! LOL
Marc Antony had a point. Any terms that put Octavian on top would inevitably lead to Marc Antony's death. Even if Antony couldn't win, his choice is still to die in battle, or kill himself, or be taken captive, humiliated, tortured, and _then_ killed. So he had no reason not to fight to the bitter end... and things change. Maybe he could still win somehow. Other than perhaps as a heroic sacrifice to spare his men.
@@theprogram863 Anthony was between a rock and a hard place. On one hand, he hated politics, on the other hand, he did not want to serve under a little boy (Octavian).
Technically speaking Octavian didn't win, Aulus Hirtius and Pansa won the battle but were killed in combat at Mutina and Forum Gallorum, that is why later on in the show Antony said "he never even left his tent" which is true. Even then Antony inflicted more casualties on them and managed to retreat in good order without routing, and he did all that even though he only had half their number.
Octavian was the one directing his forces from his tent or what not he was still calling the shots on strategy as the imperator.Besides Augustus Octavian would go on to humiliate Antony and the Egyptian slut Cleopatra Navy at the battle of actium.So what's your point
@@taskforceknight9336 Wasnt Octavian either, that was Agrippa. Its actually pretty well documented that Octavian did very little military commanding, but he just absolutely dominated economics, personal wealth and the political game.
@@taskforceknight9336 Dude Octavian didn't know and cared shit about military and battle tactics. Read a book. Agrippa was his go to guy when it comes to war. Octavian just funded Agrippa and Agrippa won the battles for him. That's why later in Octavian's rule Agrippa was in such a powerful position, Octavian feared that he will defy him because he didn't have another general as great as Agrippa. He averted the civil war with a diplomatic marriage.
If you make a list of greatest generals of Rome, Agrippa would be in top 3 and Octavian wouldn't even make it to the top 100. Agrippa was badass. Shame this show portrayed him as a young foolish guy. They did the same to Lepidus as well.
@@taskforceknight9336 octavian didnt have any official power at that point in time. Hirtius and Pansa were the appointed consuls Octavian also was maybe the worst military leader of romes leaders. He couldnt handle his nerves, had a well documented panic attack vs Brutus in Greece. Only help was that Brutus & Cassius equalled him in incompetence. His strenghts lied elsewhere. In short Octavian sucked bigtime regarding anything tactical on the battlefield. The absolute opposite to Caesar in that regard.
@@randomuser6175 They never really portray Octavian as a military leader in the show either. Even when Octavian was out in the field, he was basically just delegating the task to others who were more qualified, which is actually smart. A lot of military leaders have made huge mistakes precisely because they took it upon themselves to make big decisions, rather than to rely on more experienced subordinates to make those decisions. Octavian was like a much more modern political leader in this respect. They're able to make strategic decisions about when to go to war, and they make managerial decisions regarding the hierarchy and composition of the military, but they leave the specifics of field command up to their generals and admirals.
I think I have a condition. I have a small middle aged Greek in my ear. It won't go away and is most persistent with it's assurances of fiscal solvency and inevitable world dominion. Have tried rinsing with saline. No success.
These are Romans
+Imperator_Caesar cgavin1's joke SAILED right over your head.
Posca IS Greek.
WiseGuy5674 posca is a jew
@ Yeah, that joke was old ten years ago.
@@michaellejeune7715
I was going to suggest banishing him to the island of Bankruptos, where real Greek values are still practised, but in the end I went for this instead.
This whole scene, is both humorous and great for Purefoy's version of Antony.
From asking to desert, to the stitching, and his talk with Posca. I loved this show and laughed while having to take him seriously. You also never see many soldiers or men portrayed like this much or very often anymore.
Van Zan Siegfried every bois in 2017 got their balls cut off. Most of us anyways.
How is he alive? He got stabbed through his stomach and was killed in the previous episode.
@@gritlup2089 wasn't that cato?
@@venmis137 No, I'm pretty sure it was Mark who was stabbed through the stomach by Lucius.
Posca was the real hero of the series. long live general posca!
general posca indeed LoL
He was a thief many people suffered and died because of him personally.
He's the king of sarcasm
Dan he was the mind and Caesar was the hand.
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants I know this is a reply to a comment made 3 year ago, but that's one of the points. When he was a slave, he was super subservient. But when he became free, he became more and more lazy and arrogant. The transition would've been more smooth if they had more seasons but the second season was so rushed that his character development was too rough
I just love Posca, he knows the world :)
Posca was the google search of the ancient era
I love how Posca and Antony can speak so candidly with one another.
Which goes to show how personal/body slaves had it better than most. They were like best friends/advisors, even companions to their owners.
0:33 me trying to salvage what's left of my army after a major defeat in RTW
Why does rome always ask me to become it's protecterste and then attack me right after tho?
@@donnymoney4222 It is a known bug of the vanilla Rome experience, factions offering protectorate/"please do not attack" and doing it next turn (attacking), the Rome Remastered apparently fixes this.
@DutchGuyMike shit was like kinda annoying but wasn't. They kept on giving me like 17.5 lol
@@DutchGuyMike I hope they even fixed the constant rebellions of cities reaching a certain population level. no matter if you are playing with the German and manage your German-culture cities or you are going with one of the Roman factions and managing Latin-cities, or any other culture can be mentioned, they always fucking rebel. when any of the Roman cities reach 25k pop, you can have a fucking Hippodrome, Grand Coloseum, biggest freaking temples, nothing helps. just leaving the city with the garrison, recapturing it and fucking massacre them to make them stand in line again, at least for a certain amount of time
My kids “I’m hungry”
Me “That’s f**king slave talk, we will have no more of that!”
I fucking admire Anthony but....he wasn't made to lead the republic. He needed a Caesar to tell him what to do and have fun.
+Badjoke Maker Better General than Republic leader, I'll say. Never heard much in the way of complaints of him as a General or military soldier. Just as a politician and handling money.
Oh yes of course. I forgot to mention that.
Ya he was more of a general then a leader of Rome. There is a big difference between the two
Antony was an excellent "general" or may be military commander. It is not commonly known, but he supressed rebel in Judea when he was 26, he took part in Egyptian civil war between Ptolemy Aulet and his eldest daughter Berenice. Later he came straight to Caesar in Gaul. In Caesar's commentaries are excellent descrptions of ambushes prepared by Antony fighting pompeians in civil war. Philippi was his idea as Octavian didn't have any military experinece.
Badjoke Maker ..Mark Antony was not defeated by that fucking boy,when Caesar was murdered by some members of the senate,Octavion knew about the plan to kill Caesar,why that fucking boy did not face alone with his 4 legions to Brutos? when Antony took charge of Egipt and all Asia,he was fighting 2 wars,one with the fucking called himself caesar ant the other war was when he tried to fight THE PERSIAN ARMY he wanted to conquest the persian as ALEXADER DID IT.50.000 romans soldier died with trying to take control.for Antony,Brutos were the though guys after caesar died.
Antony and Posca are the two funniest characters on the entire damned show. What a masterpiece of television this was.
HBO Rome's version of Marc was not a good political leader, but damn he knew how to lead and inspire fighting men. I cannot praise the writing and acting highly enough.
In this scene, yes, but in other scenes, he acts like such a clown that I can't reconcile one with the other.
How is he alive? He got stabbed through his stomach and was killed in the previous episode.
The real Antony wasn’t politically savvy either
Marc Antony was not a perfect General
But he was one of the best soldiers rome ever had
Well, to clarify, he was a great general (however there was not such military title that time) until Clepatra started meddling in his affairs.
I lie to compare him to murat or ney under napoleon they were great commanders as long as they served under someone else leading a part of an army is a whole different thing than leading an army no matter how large it is
and of course antony was great at both but he was better at serving
In real life he was good general and good soldier. But totally inept as politician. And THIS killed him. Rome portrays this well.
Sebastian Schwärzel First off, I already like you for knowing who Ney and Murat are. They were great subordinates but not very good supreme commanders; Mark Antony on the other hand was a great subordinate and almost as good in overall command. He just wasn't nearly as good of a politician as he was a soldier where the reverse is true of Octavian, but he had Agrippa to handle all of his military affairs. However Antony did not have a "political Agrippa".
That's why caesar kept him around. He was easily the best subcommander caesar had and was instrumental in the victory at alesia
“Are you stitching me up or making a dress? Hurry up man !!!”
Antony: "You Tell everyone that Marc Antony is Not Defeated!"
Pullo: "Will do Chief!"
Pullo and Vorenus are still spreading the word that Antony is not defeated
God this was a great show.
The first season was a little slow but it really picked up in the second.
İ was reading your comment with robert baratheon's voice. Gods! This was a great show back then...
Why was it canceled after 2 seasons?
[insert excuse here]
So awesome. This dude projects real attitude
Purefoy's performance really made this show. Sarcastic, crude, just over the top enough to be awesome. At this stage, one doesn't see how he could EVER lose to Octavian but....well...along came CLEO.
"OF SURRENDER? THATS FUCKING SLAVETALK" lol nice
This show really is stuck in my brain. Whenever I read about the actual historical figures, I can only picture the actors from this show. ESPECIALLY James Purefoy as Mark Antony.
"Whenever I read about the actual historical figures, I can only picture the actors from this show." Haha, same!
- 8000 ?!
- Oh, do cheer up...you're still alive, aren't you ?
Purefoy' masterpiece of a performance. Such an iconic duo with Ciaran Hinds chaps. Truly unforgettable!
I love how they showed no one was really Caesar's equal.
Marc Antony had his war skill and charisma, Octavian had his PR and manipulation, and Brutus had his prestige and family connections. But none of them had them all, and eventually Octavian came out on top.
Idk if it was like that in real life, but it's an interesting one in this story.
It was to an extent, Octavian relied a lot on Marcus Agrippa who was a brilliant general, they were a match made in heaven because Octavian DID have the charisma, political skills, and family prestige of Caesar, however he was sickly and physically weak and not as martially brilliant as Caesar, but he had Agrippa to back him up so he was just as unstoppable as Caesar
It’s funny that you say that. The one thing I’m really sorry about in any product that talks about Caesar is that they always forget about Caesar’s equal.
There was this guy, Labienus. Same age as Caesar, long time friends. On Caesars first run as Consul he put Labienus as Praetor (the second most prestigious office in Rome) and when he left for Gaul he took Labienus with him as his second in command. Had things gone in Ceasar’s way, we wouldn’t be talking about Mark Anthony because most of the things Caesar put him to do were things he normally would’ve sent Labienus to do. But Labienus sided with Pompey at the beginning of the Civil War and the he died at a battle in what today is Spain, so Caesar needs someone to replace him. In comes Anthony. Who messes up big time when Caesar left him in charge of Rome. Caesar then replaces him with Lepidus, who does a decent job, I guess, but not outstanding and not particularly popular.
The in comes Octavian, who has the name, a bit of the charisma and a bit of the money, but is a complete mess in military subjects and is a bit careless in political issues. But, he has an advantage. The guy makes friends wherever he goes. Caesar’s about to kill a Pompeyan supporter, Octavian pops up with the man’s son and convinces Caesar to spare his life. The son’s name is Marcus Agripa by the way. Caesar sends Octavian to a school out of Italy, he comes back with a friend who turns out to be the best propagandists guy of his generation.
I can imagine Caesar’s mental process while writing his will being something like: “Well, I couldn’t make out half a Labienus out of those 3 childs even if I combine them. But at least the brat Octavian has no problem learning from those around him and has enough common sense to not mess with stuff he doesn’t understand and let the pros work. Yep, to glory you go kid.”
Nice to see Gracus standing in the back, he was marching with Caesar in the first season and Caesar asked him to change the marching music, this show paid so much attention to these small details
Purefoy as Antony,just perfect.Always Smart and funny,never get enough of him🤩💙
Mark Anthony was Rome's Robert Baratheon, drunkard, womanizer, awful civilian administrator, yet a hell of a battle commander.
Posca: "I do hope so, if this is the afterlife it is extremely disappointing"
He asks for permission before he deserts me, what an honourable man!
I wish they would bring this show back. Highly underrated back in the day
Another reason why I respect Mark Antony is because he wrote a book called,
"Am I a drunkard?"
The acting, in this series, is unreasonably good.
This appears in my recommendations at least once a month. How? I'm not complaining, just intrigued.
"If this is the afterlife, it's extremely disappointing." Posca is such a boss.
Posca for Consulship!
General Posca lol
I feel like a fool for not buying the Rome DVD before, because I already have seen many versions of this history, from the Italian TV to the some U. S. versions, never the less, all of them have in common that had a very idealistic view of Octavian, Julius Caesar and Mark Antony, even Cleopatra, but this TV Show, show how really were the Roman politics were, and I only see that briefly in the Italian miniseries about Octavio Augusto.
Pullo: "Will do, Chief!"
🤣
“Eh…good news bad new then?”
My man just not giving a fuck!
"I do hope so, if this is the afterlife it is extremely disappointing!" LOL Posca. XD I loved Posca.
"ARE YOU STITCHING ME UP OR MAKING A DRESS?!?!?!?!" Antony, once more a lovable jackass.
"And after that?" "...I'll think of something. GODDAMMIT MAN!!!!!!" Classic anyone/Antony banter.
Legend has it, he’s still setting that example!
Amazing that we are still talking about ancient Rome after all these centuries.
Western society as we know it wouldn't exist today if not for Rome. So it's understandable
Octavian? "He never even left his tent!" -Antony
Lol
Posca: Err..Tony about my wages.
Antony: Not now money grubber!
What are you doing back there? You stitching me up or you’re making a dress?! 😂
I am fascinated about Ancient Rome,all the opulence and intrigues.This show was so good..the characters,the script and the decors.Mark Antony had an unique irony,brilliant🤩
I truly enjoyed this show.
"A true soldier. Most men just slip away into the night, he asks for permission before he deserts me." If that doesn't describe me to a T I don't know what does.
How is he alive? He got stabbed through his stomach and was killed in the previous episode.
marc is wonderful historical character and purefoy does well in depicting him.
Vorenus, the ultimate soldier.
Every time my boss ask me to do something my replied is.... "will do chief"
The writing is extraordinarily good, just read the comments.
A bad writer will just show the two leaving. But here, we see how Antony is soldier-like, how Posca is sarcastic and realistic, as well as how Pollo is playful and carefree. All in a single scene.
The entire Rome cast was pretty amazing - but James Purefoy nothing less than AWESOME.
Posca: "While we still have the semblance of an army, I would have thought that we should offer terms"
MA: "Shut up, slave."
He wasn’t though. Caesar freed him as part of his will.
@@sparklegirl19 Yes but since he USED to be a slave, MA wanted to point that out that Posca's suggestion is "slave talk"
I say “Will do, Chief” all the time and no one ever gets it but I laugh every time
I loved that caracter... "that" Mark Anthony is probably the best MA in the history of film and series...
“I’ve lost many good men today, one more won’t make any difference”
Titus Pullo: Am I a joke to you?
Pullo wasn’t fighting for Antony.
Aahhh, general Posca speaks. 😂
One of my favourite tv shows,James Purefoy performance was great.
8000!!!
ohh DO cheer up....your still alive aren't you
Well I certainly hope so! Because if this is the afterlife - it is extremely disappointing!
@@nathanmills335 ha ha
General Posca lmao
Posca is like "I wish Caesar were alive goddamnit"
Antony got patched up more than Rome II Total War in this scene.
My favourite bit is telling the officer to set an example and show confidence and leadership.
This guys is having incredible dialogue with 3 people at once …. Absolutely incredible acting
Amazing performance
james purefoy you did a fantastic job as marc antony
Damn I miss this show.
God to love Pullo, not even in Anthony’s army and still calls him chief
Will do Chief!
This was the best show about Rome that I have ever watched. They literally put the best actors, story line, the environmentm music and potentially the portrayal of life between the nobles and roman citizens to slavery. I feel that if all forms of government collapsed and a new one emerges in infancy, I feel as though we would all go back to the same form of how Rome was structured. As long as there is a ruler, there is a government.
Great product but too much in other scenes justifying promiscuity-- the downfall of a conscience and a society
Anthony faced 2 armies with like 4 legions while still holding siege lines. Guy was a good commander
Maybe but there were no excuses at Actium.
He was not. He failed later against the Parthian also..
@@ottomanpapyrus9365 At Actium things did not go his way, soldiers were ill because of staying too close to the water for too long, defection, i read somewhere someone stole is war plan and took it to octavian, the presence of Cleopatra certainly did not help
See, a real soldier asks for permission before he deserts.
Pullos' out of the army and he still calls him chief. Now that's class.
Old habits die slowly.
Excellent
Hurry up man! Haha such delivery
Mark Antony was the best character in the show lol
Super Awesome
Hate it how Anthony lost... Octavian is a scheming, cowardly, nerdish little bookworm who tries too hard, while Anthony is a real man and a charismatic leader.
Welcome to history
history is full of disappointments and what ifs
Well, sure, up until he was unmanned by that Egyptian Sorceress and was ready to hand over Rome to some Macedonian Woman and her bastard son.
A couple of errors here: Antony's time was decades after the military reforms of Gaius Marius, which eliminated the maniple as a military unit in favor of the cohort. Each legion was comprised of 10 cohorts. We the viewer hear the damage done to the 8th, 9th, and 10th cohorts of what is most likely Anthony's third legion, followed up by a preview of the damage done to his fourth legion (even though Antony did not command a Legio III or Legio IV at Mutina). Antony then orders the disbandment of the 4th cohort to reinforce the 3rd, but the question remains - what of the other mauled cohorts? This leaves one logical conclusion: he meant to say "disband the 4th LEGION and use the survivors to reinforce the Third."
Who cares mate
Masculine Antony
Yeah which you have to look far and wide to find today.
An expensive, awesome drama, that ended far too quickly :(
I love his attitude. 😎
Great series. Should have been more.