So much work, expertise, time and money went into SC2, more than any other RTS, it's impossible to beat it with 1/10 the resources, SC2 got patched countless times, it doesn't need more patches, it is the ultimate RTS. Stormgate is a cool game that can definitely be enjoyed by RTS fans, is it better than the other 5 new RTS projects? I'm not sure.
i think it has some interesting interactions, i like how distinct each race is, i like that they looked at protoss and said "how can we make this race even more disgusting?" hahaha cheesiest race ever invented. will create some hilarious games i am sure. as well as a lot of salt. overall i would say i am pleased with the direction it moves in, but there are a lot of things to do still in terms of balance and polish (sound design, visual clarity etc.)
My biggest concern is that without a solid campaign, co-op, and custom game toolset, the game is gonna be doomed to fail. The majority of people who buy these games play less than 20 games of 1v1 queue. If the things that should be drawing in players, the campaign and co-op, are very weak then the game isn't likely to make much money. The fact that they are asking for so much for so few campaign missions as well doesn't look good when those campaign missions are so boring.
The toolset is robust, from what I heard, so custom maps and modes are on the table, and co-op is serviceable, albeit imperfect. Campaign, however... Its just ain't it, chief. Most of the new audience will play campaign at first and only then will go into matchmaking. But if campaign is subpar, then there is a non-zero chance the game will be DOA. I mean, I still can quote Illidan's monologue from WC3 campaign, or a Culling of Stratholme cutscene, over a twenty years later, and I will be hard pressed to remember one line from the Stormgate's campaign
@@VasiliyOgniov I'll be honest, I only remember the "Happy birthday, Dad" from the first cutscene because Amara does a completely incongruous finger drum as she says it. Like she's fuckin bored. Hum de dum, talking to my dead Dad as I go into combat.
I'd honestly predict SG is doomed to fail regardless of the gameplay's quality because the management fails to understand F2P monetization. The vast majority of successful F2P games get where they are by selling players a fantasy. No one's spending money just to have a byte incremented in a database or for a visual asset swap. They're buying status from having the only golden frying pan on the block, they're paying to make their eye candy waifu prettier, they want a pet that they can headpat and doesn't make a mess on the carpet. SC2 got away with its F2P transition because the devs had already fleshed out a universe for players to get invested in. Nova is cool, Tychus is cool, Carriers are cool. Making the characters, unit visuals and audio, and campaign lore-i.e., the things you can actually sell-afterthoughts instead of the top priorities was the polar opposite of what Frost Giant should have done. You can't simply open up a microtransaction store and expect people to come spend if you don't make any effort to sell the product in stock.
Idk man Halo f2p was massive failure. It's a fun game, it's just difficult to remain competitive in the video gaming industry. Also, this is literally early access. We're seeing/playing the beta. Just have fun bro. That's what video games are for.
@@aresix8239 I mean Halo Infinite was a massive failure not because it was F2P nor because it had a microtransaction store. Infinite launched with absolutely zero content. Like most F2P games make sure to have at least some variety of content and then not long after launch add more but Infinite launched with very few maps, no actual progression system to unlock armor, you couldn't pick the color or your armor like in every other Halo game (it was locked to microtransactions and some free unlocks via preconfigured color schemes), custom games didn't work, the variety of modes in multiplayer was laughable. It was an abysmal fumble never seen before. Then to take that monumental fumble and multiply it in magnitude several times over 343 took 2 YEARS to add forge mode (map editor) and more than a year to add basic features that were available at launch for every Bungie Halo title.
As I an enjoyer of watching pro sc2, stormgate disappoints in the graphics and aesthetics. I honestly think thst even Red Alert 3 to this day looks better. And SC2 is waaaay better. Also I haven't experienced anything that I can't already get with sc2.
Man I miss RA3. It had some real problem bugs that they never addressed and prbly frustrated the heck out of the competitive scene anyway. Getting Submarines stuck under terrain to shoot buildings was hilarious. The main problem of course was the ladder experience. EA pretty much just killed the game after a year or 2, now you can only play it with fan clients. The whole thing about Stormgate looking worse than SC2 or RA3 doesn't hold water to me though. Do you like 1v1 RTS? If yes you will love Stormgate at this moment in time. Are you waiting for coop, 3v3 or campaign? Ya gotta wait. Just say it how it is.
Main problem for me is fundamental : this game is just more of the same. They said they would revolutionize rts but made the exact same thing as sc2 war3 when they could have been more bold with their core mechanics and architecture. Battle aces on the other hand had the balls ( and funds sure) to come up with something that feels and plays very different.
tbh this game feels like just a cash grab for some old developers who were out of job since blizzard/rts downfall. Everything looks extremely generic, as if they were on auto-pilot recycling the same stuff from 20 years ago, the art direction looks like AI level of blandness ... well they raised millions from the fans and got a steady paycheck for 5 years now so that is that.
The problem with RTS genre is not lack of new ideas. It's that most of RTSes have too high threshold - and that's the problem that SG tackles. That's why you have creep camps, that's why you have bot that can automatize your macro. SC2 from the very beginning was developed as an e-sports game. Without Arcade and Co-op it would have died.
My main problem with it is how GENERIC the art style looks and how BADLY it runs despite it looking like shit..... It's not just mindless hate but sc2 is so much cooler.I could at least deal with it if it didn't look like generic F2P mobile graphics. with super lame unit design.
pretty much.. when he says he didn't mind art design im like "hmmm... cant agree on that one" because I 've been keeping a close eye on this game for years, and even played the campaign, but still I think the graphics suck after all this time
it's this kind of hyperbole that leads me to believe you would still hate it even if it looked like... whatever game u'r imagining. "looking like shit" just go touch grass. What are you even doing?
I think it's deliberately bland so they can sell more interesting skins. It's a F2P after all. That said, the terrain desperately needs improvement. It currently looks worse than Wings of Liberty maps (admittedly a high standard, but that's over a decade ago).
To me Stormgate ends with me going "might as well play SC2". Unlike WC3 or AoE2 or Red alert 2, since there's no other like it, you tend to stick to it, each is a unique addition to the genre. Would I really add "another SC2 clone?", if so I'd rather play Battle Aces casually.
Agreed! I think the "game essence" like you said is really good. The parts that are "done" are really good, but there are a lot of parts of the game that don't have any polish yet. I'm enjoying what I've played so far, and hope it gets enough time and money to finish their vision.
Honestly, I had the exact opposite impression. The idea's are nice but what is there just feels off. The control is just not as crisp as in Starcraft - not as immediate. And I do not know whether this is even fixable because its so essential/fundamental to the engine
It is nice to see someone mention, "being a fresh undiscovered game" as a major positive for Stormgate. As I think its one of the biggest positives it can have. Dont get more wrong, like everyone else I understand sc2 to be an excellently crafted game, however, its a game we've seen thousands of times to the point the the "skill" on display in tourneys for the game are more focused on tight consistent execution's, rather than inventive strategies and impressive unit control. Stormgate brings back the variety.
Thank you for focusing on the core aspects of the game while also acknowledging the things that need polish, you can fixes things like art, menus, sound designs, but you can't make a bad game good if the core design is bad
@@SKillousYT Fair enough, but I think development could speed up with its recent uptick in popularity. Immortal has been in development for around 6 years, while it's been around 4 years for Stormgate. I think Immortal is more impressive though, considering its budget and popularity. It made $150K on Kickstarter, whereas Stormgate made $2.3M (and then received additional funding in the realm of $35M). Stormgate is definitely further along, but both games feel very unpolished. I do prefer Immortal's visual design and general gameplay though. If I've learned anything from playing these games, it's that sc2 isn't going anywhere.
Gates of pyre let me down so much. Just didn’t feel good to play. Storm gate has the engine and the mechanics. Gonna be a great game. Been having a blast on ladder.
You can take the developer out of blizzard but you can't take blizzard out of the developer. The art direction is so mind boggling to me. Its as if they took the art direction of what was popular during stormgate's inception instead of coming up with their own style. They claim that this is 100% original but most people agree that this looks like the fortnite of RTS. Made more plausible by the fact that they introduced monetization on an early access that you have to pay despite accumulating $35M from investors and $6M from crowdfunding. The bar is so low for RTS that people who say that they're enjoying it are merely experiencing that because there's no alternative.
Agreed. And even the gameplay is nothing special. I just don't see much reason to play it over existing RTSes - it doesn't bring a whole lot to the table atm. I think if more of the other upcoming RTSes were already out it would be getting a LOT less play. It's getting played some atm because it's one of the only shows in town
People have no concept for how much money it takes to make a game. $41 million might sound big to you but game developers in the US cost on average something like $150k per year per employee - then there's all sorts of other costs to running a business. The likely reason they launched the game early access with monetization is because if they don't start making money they will have to shut down. They probably didn't have enough money to develop for another year before launching. That doesn't mean you owe them anything or that you have to like the game - but we can still be understanding of why they made the decisions they made.
Red Alert 3 is 16 years old, was shitted on because it looked """too cartoonish""" and it looks miles better than this with its graphics. While also not frying your processor ffs
on the subject of optimisation: a thing i just noticed watching this gameplay is that about 25% of the rendered frame is wasted under the UI essentially cutting GPU performance by 25%. all so you can see a tiny sliver of the game on the bottom left and bottom right. seems like they could just have the UI extend to the edge of the screen and then just not render that whole section. free 25% performance boost :D
@@00jknight That is not entirely true. If you are rendering in passes (e.g. most engines/games) that part of the depth buffer might not be occluded in the depth map. Also, even if the UI gets rendered in the same render pass as 3D geometry (highly unlikely), if the order of draw calls is not "UI first", again, the depth map will not see those texels as occluded and will run the fragment shader on them. That is my understanding at least.
Frost Giant generally has a weird way of developing and handling the game. Obvious issues like the stupidly loud tree sounds or insane balance issues are not adressed, or take way more time than they should. At least the ridiculous monetization is working I guess. Frost Giant is very confident in their stance of "it is early access, it will get fixed soon^TM" while they charge a lot for it like 10 Euro for a commander in coop, while being not as deep but twice as expensive as a SC2 one, and insane work-in-progress campaign charging up to 27 euros. Releasing it in early access now is a big mistake, and they are going to suffer from it unfortunately. Shame, the game can be good if taken care of properly.
@@d0k0night they got a fortune in kickstarter, they should deliver something much better than was promisse, This shit jjust looks like a generic mobile game, SO BAD.
Do we need another RTS game that doesn't bring anything new to the table? We have BroodWar, Startcraft 2, Warcraft III, AoE. They are distinctive to one another and people with different preferences and play style could find what they want in one of them. Yes, these are old games, but I don't think they are lacking anything in the technical aspects. I would like to try a new RTS, but some which actually has some novelty, fresh ideas, some genuine innovation. Stormgate looks just as a clone of Starcraft with some Warcraft elements blended in. It's doesn't offer anything which would make me switch from the old Blizzard RTSes to it. Also, as subjective as it might be, the cartoonish style of their design is very ugly and washed out.
My thoughts as well. It brings nothing new to the table, and everything it does (be it gameplay or graphics) it does worse than existing games. It's not a terrible game but I don't see any logical reason to play it. They need to be way more bold going forward
@@EB-bl6cc "nothing new" >< You never played competitive 1v1. This is the most refreshing thing I've experienced in YEARS. I'm addicted already. SC2 1v1, bye bye
@@KaiserMattTygore927 That's very fair feedback Cool Frost Giant is working on other game mods that are full multiplayer based Stormgate is the next Blizzard It will do everything, from MOBAS to Diablo likes The best feeling I had in years Frost Giant is next Blizzard Blizzard is dead No good Blizzard game will exist No, I'm no investor
Im liking, just started a few days ago. The gameplay is nailed, it's just missing massive features like replays, and map previews. Modes like ffa, 8 players maps not existing does suck, but not as much as the features.
It's not very good. Creep camps in this type of game make no sense. Balance is nowhere near complete. The style is league of legends - bad anime/pixar mix. It's intended to draw in sc2 players, but many of the RTS players are simply tired of the fast clickfest that is sc2. So the target audience is the niche of a dying niche. It can't sell well.
I'm fine with the roughness of it all as it's early days, but the graphic style is a poor choice, and it's too slow. It is trying to market itself as a SC2 beater, but it's more Warcraft.. and so far, it outdoes neither. Disappointed is my gut feeling at the moment, but will keep an eye on it. As an extra, I feel the camera is too high on this, so I think it makes seeing the units in big battles quite difficult
Agree with pretty much all of your points. Anyway, I like the game and I think it has a lot of potential. Feels a lot like SC2, but units are tankier and overall gameplay is less volatile + creep camps add to the gameplay.
there's pros and cons for me too in regards to Stormgate! I think the gameplay is fun, and that's probably the most important part. I actually like them taking risks and experimenting with Celestials - I even wish other races were a bit more experimental and outthere too. I guess I have an easier time than you waiting for the inevitable balance patches. probably because I know they're coming, and waiting for 5-10 days is totally fine for me 😅 as for cons, the cartoony art style really detracts from the game for me, I just don't like it. but I understand that stylized art is a lot easier, cheaper and faster to produce. and I'm not sure a lot of people have strong enough computers to render like 400 supply of units done in a more detailed style. I agree with you about the UI - can't wait for them to improve it. it's clearly placeholder and I understand it's not a top priority for early access. also agree on the importance of sound design. some of the unit lines, esp. for Infernals and Celestials, aren't very well written or voice-acted. some of them remind me of Dark Eldar unit replies from Dawn of War - a bit too long, done quietly and in a raspy voice. it's hard to hear what they're saying and a bit distracting. all in all, I bought the game a few days ago to support the devs, and I don't regret the decision. would love to see more Stormgate content from you - e.g., with build orders, guides or "special tactics" shenanigans :)
stylized art also ages far better than anything approaching realism. I hate when people complain about the art and then don't give examples. What kind of RTS art style would you like? Ye the sfx needs way more polish. A ton of units just don't have good voice lines, abilities just don't impact. Infest for example should be a lot more obvious imho. Gaunts should be attacking with green booger attacks and having different sfx once they got the upgrade. Stuff like that to communicate things better.
@@Broockle I really love the original SC1 art, not the hd-remaster (which is a lot worse). It's grittier, darker, more grimy. I think the problem is not just the art style, but also the setting? The world of SC1 has more darkness, dust and dirt in it (and that makes it more realistic, not the graphics). In SC1, Terran tech looks cobbled together and worn out with use. There's rust, huge gaps between metal sheets, bent corners. Even Protoss tech looks old and dusty, just in a different way - like ancient architecture. The cutscenes did a lot of heavy lifting here: Phoenix dies in some crumbling stone hallway drowning in sand and dust. Terrans are literal hillbilly stereotypes, but in space: guns, beer, sweat, country music, janky old trucks, flags... The tank they bring out to shoot that dragoon in one of the cinematics is just hilariously old and rattly. For SC2, they cleaned all of that up. Now all Protoss stuff looks like jewellery: gleaming gold, cleanest crystals, not a speck of dust, etc. Terran stuff is also new and squeaky clean - no rust, no bent metal or poorly fit parts, everything is brand new and advanced in a typical sci-fi way. Just look at the marine: he used to be a small, sweaty guy with an ugly mug and a mean attitude. Grease is literally dripping off of his skin in the portrait. In SC2, he's a fucking stern, stoic hero with a noble profile and a powerful jawline. The SC1 remaster did the same thing: they washed him up, made him paler for some reason and less mean, and even stuck some blue sci-fi readouts into his helmet. The SC1 marine don't read no readouts, I'm not even sure that dumb mf-er can read. So the cartoonification hit more than just the art style. It also hit the setting, the worldbuilding itself. And the world of Stormgate is a lot closer to SC2, if not Overwatch. It's a valid artistic choice, just not the one I'd make.
@@Broockle Stylized art is okay. They just missed it. It doesn't look nice. Maybe it can be improved but so far I really dislike the art style. Would be better if they went into more of a fantasy art or more Dark art. But this comix-borderlands is just not nice. Its my opinion tough
@@kathorsees well this is refreshing. Some actual criticism. Yeah I agree with all this. SC2 made some changes a lot of fans don't agree with. The most egregious by far being Kerrigan's amnesia and redemption arch. Stormgate units look very clean atm, I have heard that nitpick and I kinda agree. In the campaign story, the humans have been invaded by infernals for 20 years and are a battle hardened, scattered, ragtag team with cobbled together gear. Would be amazing if the aesthetics of the units and buildings reflect all of that.
@@kraldada6557 Ye that's fair, I'm thinking they will keep the cartoony feel of it all but there will be more vfx and sfx that will still add a lot of needed flavor. Even things like ground effects, blood splats and earth shatters, scorched earth, things like that should already put it more into what you're describing I think. More scuffed materials on all the Vanguard buildings would be cool too I think, maybe even dynamically from when it takes damage. Little things like that on all ends would really make this game come alive I think.
this looks so similar to sc2 in the way it is played (and yet less refined even though it's a new game) that I don't understand why I should play it instead of sc2. It's so unimaginative it's almost frustrating
Gameplay doesnt feel fun. Fights are a mess and are boring. Sc2 is much better in this aspect, first you can see whos winning, fights are fun, drops are fun, units are better and more fun, everything is better in sc2.
бля, скиллыч, спасибо тебе и жирный лайкос за то, что высказался против злобных комментариев! согласен с тобой, вижу кучу необоснованного хейта и просто мега-негатива. совершенно нормально написать "мне не нравится то-то и то-то", критиковать и т.п. напр., я не фанат их рисовки, просто не люблю мультяшность. но абсолютно не нормально переходить на личности и писать "разрабы жадные суки!!", "фу что за за говно кто так рисует 🤮", "чтоб они сдохли все" и т.п. на том конце сидит живой человек, который пытается сделать что-то творческое, порадовать игроков и прокормить семью. который тоже чувствует, тоже может ошибиться, или устать, или прочитать стену брызжащих слюной и ненавистью комментов и насмерть расстроиться. давайте жить дружно, короче!) в мире и так полно говна сейчас, зачем ещё добавлять. всем добра, а тебе удачи в SC2! ❤
Stop making excuses for Frost Giant. They have repeatedly behaved in dishonest and misleading ways with the community - they don't deserve anyone's sympathy. They raised $35M from investors and $6M from the community and then proceeded to light it on fire. The last thing we need are people justifying this behavior.
@@allanshpeley4284 without any arguments to back them up, these are just baseless and toxic accusations. "dishonest and misleading behavior" - like what?
Хз где ты таких отбитых нашел, читаю комменты сверху вниз - везде вполне адекватная критика. Может они внизу осели, я хз. А так в целом, если игра едва играбельна, а магазин за реал там уже работает совершенно нормально, выводы о жадности разработчиков напрашиваются сами собой. Не хотите подвергаться нападкам за жадность - сначала делайте игру, а потом доите бабло с фанатов. Я хз, в мое время таких клоунов гнали ссаными тряпками с рынка, а теперь люди им в очередь выстраиваются заносить зеленых президентов.
@@ivanivanovich1020 чувак) ты сам ровно такой отбитый коммент и написал. "клоуны", "доите бабло", "гнать ссаными тряпками", "жадность"... это дикий токс. если мы с тобой зайдём в кафе или любой офис и такое скажем тем, кто там работает - нас с тобой оттуда пинками выгонят, если не поколотят. это конкретная злобная ругань. а что ещё грустнее - ругань совершенно необоснованная. игра _бесплатная_. скачиваешь и играешь сколько хочешь. не хочешь - не платишь ни копейки. за тебя и твой отдых платят те игроки, которым понравилась игра и у которых есть желание что-то себе взять или поддержать разраба. так что ж ты ругаешься-то? тебе бесплатно плюшки дают - а тебе всё мало?) как им на бесплатной игре без стора деньги-то зарабатывать? они должны инвесторам, которые их несколько лет разработки кормили - и эти деньги надо возвращать. они платят зарплаты своим работникам, которые работают над патчами и новым контентом. они платят за серваки, на которых мы играем. а в наше время такого тупо не было - бесплатные игры) плати за диск, а потом надейся, что установится и заработает. если не заработало - твои проблемы. никаких дискордов, где тебе саппорт отвечает, никаких патчей раз в неделю - куда там)
I'm loving the game. Got 75hrs so far, because playing games isn't my job, otherwise I'd have more than you haha. But I love how similar in game play it is to WC3 and SC2. Yet it's got a lot of new rts things. People need to give it a chance, it's very addictive.
There's a good foundation here, and I think in about a years time the game will be in a great place but the devs need to get away from all the references from SC and WC. Right now it feels like a game trying to be that rather than its own thing. We know there working on improving the visuals which is great because the art style is fine but the game needs an improvement in visual clarity. And hopefully they will sort out the units voice lines as well as most of them are hard to hear. Ok start but the game needs alot of work.
I have a VERY hard time believing they have funding issues. I think they have tried to toe the line of garnering support and making people feel comfortable about the future to the detriment of their reputation. If I'm correct that they haven't wanted to make RTS fans too comfortable, I would assert that this is short sighted. For people to feel comfortable investing time into a game to get good at it, they need to feel like the game won't just disappear rendering their newfound skill worthless. They need to address this concern about funds because they are trying to monetize as much as possible (WHICH THEY SHOULD) but it's interpreted badly with the air of concern looming.
You clearly don't know what's going on if you think they're not having financial trouble. They were required by law to release their financials when they opened their StartEngine campaign. Their SEC filing indicated they had $6.8M left as of February and that they're spending $1M+ per month. Since they were unable to obtain additional capital, the only other funds they have access to are a $2M line of credit and whatever pocket change Kakao Games gave them to promote the game in Asia. They were very clear that they need to make money during Early Access to continue building the game.
I dream about a super advanced and complex RTS with dozens of factions that plays completely different from one another (Goblins faction, Gaia faction, Robot faction, Parasites faction, Elf faction, Wizards faction, Warrios faction, etc etc etc...) , each one of them having near 100 different units that are usable in certain situations or strats, dozens of different unique buildings and a deep tech tree on each of them, ultra advanced graphics that makes the world compelling and rich, a variety of maps that incentives different approaches on each of them, hundreds of different unique techs... In summary a ultra hardcore deep modern RTS. I would gladly waste my entire life playing this thing if it was available... Sadly this seems like a distant dream that won't become a reality in my lifetime...
I really like the game. I've always struggled with starcraft but I had a lot of fun playing stormgate being new to the genre. Really hopeful for the games future
Battle Aces will most likely be the next top RTS game for years to come. Also created by people who worked on Starcraft (David Kim). Innovative, fast, simple. Fun to play, fun to watch. Beta was an absolute blast to play!
BattleAces are cool. But it's a very different genre, I personally didn't find it as interesting because I really like base building. Maybe I will reconsider later.
battleaces will never get really big and it will not be the next to RTS game for years to come. It's a cool game but too shallow and not additive enough to play all the time. The beta peaked at 600 players
the game feeling fresh is just a natural state for it now since its completely new so I wouldnt really put it as a special point because every new game has lots to discover
does stormgate have any future? I would say not sure and im not optimistic for this games future. i think that the devs should have delayed this game all the way to 2028. releasing it in this half baked and and under cooked state and already selling MTX shows me that this game is an already finished product. look i really want this game to succeed, but the state it is in right now is not acceptable. if this is the best that FGS can accomplish with the current state of the ea launch then this it is pathetic and shows me that the devs were using the good ol made be "ex veteran devs that brought you SC2 and WC3" to generate hype and sell the product and right now the game looks like crap. will need to see a alot and i mean ALOT of improvements and updates to the game in order for me to trust the devs that they are not going to become the next blizzard and become the ambitious, innovative, and amazing company that blizzard failed to hold up.
I would agree. It's so laggy and buggy too. Way more than broodwar. I can't even multitask up to my normal speed of 200-300 APM because it lags, like it won't register commands if you play that fast.
Really balanced takes here! Agreed people should give it a try if they enjoy StarCraft. The pace of the game makes it very fun for average players imo. Lots of polish and balance left to improve though!
I think they made a mistake showing the campaign so early, it's clearly not done. And you don't need people's feedback on some of the stuff, it's just basics. I understand wanting to hear people's opinions and share the work you've been doing. But at the same time you're first impressions are so important.
Well, I never play campaigns in any games so I'm not the best to judge anything. I watched some people play SG on YT, I think first cinematic is very good (except when the "bad" dude comes out of the gate). Cutscenes with ingame models looked funny, probably could be done better, but I have barely any reference (all I remember is that in HoMM5 it looked worse than that, but I loved it)
So my first impression - I get why so many people are disappointed it is very in very rough state still, but I see what they are trying to go for so I am going to give them benefit of doubt ATM and keep trying it out.
I definitely appreciate the balanced look at the game, just because nostalgia clouds it up, doesnt mean we shouldnt hold the game to certain standards, that being said, for the people who are incredibly upset about the current assets and voice acting, like, way too mad for your own good. In all reality, they dont want to release the finished assets until a solid large section of it is done. Now, to be fair, i also dont like their pricing model, but, it is a hybrid model so we will have to see how it works over a few years.
Stormgate should tow the part of Immortals Gates of Pyre which instead of copying everything about SC2 adapted some of the designs. That's how it will survive in the long run
The thing I really hate is that the balance patch DIDNT fix many balance issues and exxagerated others. and also the fact that the game was SO, SO much better balanced in previous builds, is just insane for me.
@@SKillousYT yeah they fixed core rush (kinda). but the thing is, they never touched the exo eventhough everyone was complaining about it from day1 all the way back in february open beta, with quickdraw hustle (just a horrible upgrade in general, infinite kiting with a faster, longer ranged unit is never good as it has no counter before the late late game).
my dude, it's an early access game. people just got their hands on it. give it time! it's inevitable that there's going to be imbalance - players are smart, and outnumber the devs 2000 to 1 or more. tens of thousands of brains playing the game and experiencing it in practice will _always_ beat 60 brains developing the game and imagining the meta in theory. the combined brainpower of players is too great to fully predict and prevent all possible cheeses and broken strats. it's the joy and pain of having a fresh new game! the wild west days of a young RTS title. enjoy this freedom and creative chaos while you can, because in mere months there will be established optimized builds, and in a year a lot of them will feel stale and predictable.
I would love to see some Stormgate content, seems like once it's balanced it can be really fun. In earlier phases it did not look that well so I guess it's going in the right direction, but I have not played yet so that's opinion before.
Gonna be honest, most of the other upcoming RTS games seem more promising than Stormgate at this point. Despite Stormgate having a lot of things you'd think would make it work (a lot of SC2 community people being onboard the entire process, a very good initial vision of what they wanted, etc. etc.) it just isn't working out that well atm. Game isn't complete trash, but currently there's 0 reason to play it over existing RTS games
I have similar opinion. Game speed. StarCraft 2 was too fast for me, Warcraft was too slow. This speed here is balanced and is quite good. Of course units bugged. Hot keys are not my jam (I use ctrl shift group of units from StarCraft) but still. This is something ew and fresh. I can manage macro without stress comparing to sc2. Coop is fun , you can chill really, on the paper you think stupid change duo coop from StarCraft and here 3 people coop but is much more fun really. Maybe it will be boring after some time like with every game sometimes but still. Anyone who likes rts and feel of commander of big army this is at least, ATLEAST worth try for some time and then choose do you like it or not.
The endless process of creation and fundrising is obviously superior to the resulting performance. Seems devs just don't know what is a concept, what is alpha, what is beta, what is 1.0 and so on. They are still showing a low quality gameplay design concept, some adjustments for multiplayer (to get free adv from wc3&sc2 content creeators) and thats is sad
Думаю Ангелы-Протосы еще визуально несьедобные. Войска теранов демонов еще различаю но селесы это каша:) Мне не все 3 тир юниты нравятся. Ангелы дракон норм , а остальные пока сомнительно. По эстетике Шторм ближе к Варику конечно, деревья которые можно рубить, легкая мультяшность. Главное преимущество это что юниты не умирают за секунду и есть время подумать. Для зрителей может это и хуже, но игроков будет больше. Однако переживаю за всякие аое юниты атаки , они могут нарушить этот опыт :') одни только аое ямато чего стоят
The grafics look like a mix of Warcraft and StarCraft in the asthetics of Overwatch. Nothing really new, basic rts. And my problem with free to play is that the playerbasis of 1 v 1 is much different in relation to campaign and 3 v 3 differs again. As I understand it, the bulk of the money will come from the campaigners, so esports and Casual gameplay have two totally different goals, which will not be easy.
Hey Skillous, thank you for the video, you made some great points. One piece of feedback I have for you is that, you are so close to speaking perfect English, that it makes your minor missing pieces of English pronunciation stand out even more. You particularly should work on your R's, when you say words like "Pattern" "Creep" "Everything" "Clarity" "UA-camr" "Starcraft", "Alerts" or "Addressed". If you just got better at R's you would sound much closer to fluent. I am sure you speak beautifully in Russian but in English I feel I can give you a little feedback. I am also learning a language so I know the struggle. Sorry if this comes off as negative, I am just trying to help and support your work by saying this.
It kinda feels like a SC2 custom map with worse visuals, even tho the game is much older. The visuals and design is what repels me the most. It all looks so generic, bland and soulless. Everything is too cute, too harmless ... no atmosphere at all.
Everyone wanted Stracraft 3 and Warcraft 4 which, like the 2 and 3, would have been the same games but improved. But now they are doing this with Stormgate, it's not good because it's the same as SC2 and W3
An actual sequel to a game is a little different than a game that copies those game's homework fuses the worst aspects of them and does it all worse. Weird take.
I think the problem is attempting to cater to pros. Cater to players if you want anyone to play your game. A dog campaign locked behind micro transactions means this is dead on arrival.
this game.... speed is good, reduce army size, more dmg, make this game even more microwise and forget sc2 aspects, this game would be better if it would be little bit more like wc3 cause it fails as a sc clone
How are people surprised that this game sucks so much? Did anyone actually believe it would be the next Starcraft?Stormgate was from the beginning a scam. 35 million dollars to make this steaming pile of $#%^ 😂😂😂
my biggiest problem with stormgate is, why should i play this whan Starcraft 2 exist?? this looks like a descount starcraft, lacking all the years of patchs and content Starcraft already have
This is the first time I watched a video on 0.75 speed unironically :)) I really don't like stormgate right now. I think the UI is very unintuitive, the game looks fine but sounds really bad, and it just feels too much like starcraft. I already played starcraft, if I want to play it I'll just play that. I think the biggest reason for why it feels so derivative of SC2, is that Vanguard is too much like Terrans. If Vanguard didn't exist or were a completely different race, I would be more on board.
i watch warcraft 3 all the time. even this old game has a more sophisticated surface. its just a lazy blend of colors mostly with some structures. you can find more of that in every other blizzard game. this annoys me a lot. its part of the experience and it looks lazy or it looks like a old game when it should look at least on par as starcraft
So, here's the problem...the things people like you are calling "Polish" issues are not "Polish" issues. They are things that FGS has adamantly defended for over a year now. Chalking things up to the game being "Unfinished" is such a cop out in place of real criticism, it's sugar coating. The reality is, FGS has made some extremely bad design decisions and they need to rework some of the core designs if this game is going to have any chance. You can say people are being mean, but FGS has been openly ignoring feedback since the god damn Alpha and they are only now starting to budge on anything because they received a god damn flood of the same feedback because they went public. The FGS team has been downright disrespectful of their player base from day 1.
Well, with polish I mostly mean getting rid of all the placeholders at least. It ruins a lot of experience for me, especially with sound. With graphics too sometimes, I mentioned the "scouting drone" from Van for example.
Stormgate just does not look good. I mean for the type of game, I suppose, but it is in no way a replacement to sc2. It looks and feels much more like sc3.
Bro, I already paid for the game but only the basic, tried it and went back to SC2, I just can replay SC2 Campaign any day and jump into the online any moment and it is miles better than Stormgate. The gameplay itself looks decent at least but nowhere close in the animations or distinctions between characters, the art direction is quite questionable but in the campaign the cutscenes... oh may gaush I can't stand it, it looks so bad... the writing could be decent maybe? As long as I played the script isn't garbage to me but nothing spectacular neither. I hope it gets better, I won't ask for refund since I see myself playing it again in some future but I will never waste in this game the 5% time I invested into playing SC2 and was 100% worth there.
I have played a lot of wc3 and sc2 ranked 1v1 but i was never a pro, however i think the game mechanics of stormgate are awesome. They way the units are designed, to prevent massing big units like the dragon and forcing to micro manage more, instead of macro only like in sc2 is the one thing i like. Furthermore the creeps and units being able to gain experience and become a little bit more stronger is a better mechanic then heroes in warcraft 3, who dictate the outcome of the game or whose strength is severely increased from lvl 2 to lvl 3. They took the best elements from wc3 and sc2 in my opinion and balanced them. However this game is not intended for casuals, but if it was there would be no reason to play it competitively along sc2 and wc3. Therefore it was obvious FG had to focus on gameplay and mechanics instead of visuals. And furthermore i also dont care about visuals, since i play wc3 which is more than 20 years old 😂😂😂
What's your opinion on the game? I'm curious to know what my audience thinks!
TTK is too slow and the game takes too long in the early stages to expand / build workers
Nice and honest opinion, just found ur channel hope to see more stormgate content here.
So much work, expertise, time and money went into SC2, more than any other RTS, it's impossible to beat it with 1/10 the resources, SC2 got patched countless times, it doesn't need more patches, it is the ultimate RTS. Stormgate is a cool game that can definitely be enjoyed by RTS fans, is it better than the other 5 new RTS projects? I'm not sure.
@@heavenstarcraft thats what i like ... sc2 got so speed uped in LOTV i stopped playing and i like this is much more like WoL
i think it has some interesting interactions, i like how distinct each race is, i like that they looked at protoss and said "how can we make this race even more disgusting?" hahaha cheesiest race ever invented. will create some hilarious games i am sure. as well as a lot of salt. overall i would say i am pleased with the direction it moves in, but there are a lot of things to do still in terms of balance and polish (sound design, visual clarity etc.)
My biggest concern is that without a solid campaign, co-op, and custom game toolset, the game is gonna be doomed to fail. The majority of people who buy these games play less than 20 games of 1v1 queue. If the things that should be drawing in players, the campaign and co-op, are very weak then the game isn't likely to make much money. The fact that they are asking for so much for so few campaign missions as well doesn't look good when those campaign missions are so boring.
Agreed. Campaign and coop are very important.
The toolset is robust, from what I heard, so custom maps and modes are on the table, and co-op is serviceable, albeit imperfect. Campaign, however... Its just ain't it, chief. Most of the new audience will play campaign at first and only then will go into matchmaking. But if campaign is subpar, then there is a non-zero chance the game will be DOA.
I mean, I still can quote Illidan's monologue from WC3 campaign, or a Culling of Stratholme cutscene, over a twenty years later, and I will be hard pressed to remember one line from the Stormgate's campaign
@@VasiliyOgniov It's hard to get modders and mapmakers to care without a base though.. just look at Starfield.
@@VasiliyOgniov I'll be honest, I only remember the "Happy birthday, Dad" from the first cutscene because Amara does a completely incongruous finger drum as she says it. Like she's fuckin bored. Hum de dum, talking to my dead Dad as I go into combat.
I'd honestly predict SG is doomed to fail regardless of the gameplay's quality because the management fails to understand F2P monetization. The vast majority of successful F2P games get where they are by selling players a fantasy. No one's spending money just to have a byte incremented in a database or for a visual asset swap. They're buying status from having the only golden frying pan on the block, they're paying to make their eye candy waifu prettier, they want a pet that they can headpat and doesn't make a mess on the carpet.
SC2 got away with its F2P transition because the devs had already fleshed out a universe for players to get invested in. Nova is cool, Tychus is cool, Carriers are cool. Making the characters, unit visuals and audio, and campaign lore-i.e., the things you can actually sell-afterthoughts instead of the top priorities was the polar opposite of what Frost Giant should have done. You can't simply open up a microtransaction store and expect people to come spend if you don't make any effort to sell the product in stock.
With the campaign being so amazing the free to play was more like a trial version for most people.
Idk man Halo f2p was massive failure. It's a fun game, it's just difficult to remain competitive in the video gaming industry. Also, this is literally early access. We're seeing/playing the beta. Just have fun bro. That's what video games are for.
@@aresix8239 I mean Halo Infinite was a massive failure not because it was F2P nor because it had a microtransaction store. Infinite launched with absolutely zero content. Like most F2P games make sure to have at least some variety of content and then not long after launch add more but Infinite launched with very few maps, no actual progression system to unlock armor, you couldn't pick the color or your armor like in every other Halo game (it was locked to microtransactions and some free unlocks via preconfigured color schemes), custom games didn't work, the variety of modes in multiplayer was laughable. It was an abysmal fumble never seen before. Then to take that monumental fumble and multiply it in magnitude several times over 343 took 2 YEARS to add forge mode (map editor) and more than a year to add basic features that were available at launch for every Bungie Halo title.
As I an enjoyer of watching pro sc2, stormgate disappoints in the graphics and aesthetics. I honestly think thst even Red Alert 3 to this day looks better. And SC2 is waaaay better. Also I haven't experienced anything that I can't already get with sc2.
Go watch SC2 Alpha, that looks horrible in comparison.
Man I miss RA3. It had some real problem bugs that they never addressed and prbly frustrated the heck out of the competitive scene anyway. Getting Submarines stuck under terrain to shoot buildings was hilarious.
The main problem of course was the ladder experience. EA pretty much just killed the game after a year or 2, now you can only play it with fan clients.
The whole thing about Stormgate looking worse than SC2 or RA3 doesn't hold water to me though. Do you like 1v1 RTS? If yes you will love Stormgate at this moment in time.
Are you waiting for coop, 3v3 or campaign? Ya gotta wait. Just say it how it is.
I love how RA3 looks. Played a lot when I was a kid.
@@Broockle RA3 was awesome. but it only ran in 30FPS that was probably the main issue
@@SKillousYT By far the best RTS for me. I loved how everything could transform into a boat or fly. Awesome
Main problem for me is fundamental : this game is just more of the same. They said they would revolutionize rts but made the exact same thing as sc2 war3 when they could have been more bold with their core mechanics and architecture. Battle aces on the other hand had the balls ( and funds sure) to come up with something that feels and plays very different.
tbh this game feels like just a cash grab for some old developers who were out of job since blizzard/rts downfall. Everything looks extremely generic, as if they were on auto-pilot recycling the same stuff from 20 years ago, the art direction looks like AI level of blandness ... well they raised millions from the fans and got a steady paycheck for 5 years now so that is that.
I feel the same, it’s just the same thing, even basically copied the races
The problem with RTS genre is not lack of new ideas. It's that most of RTSes have too high threshold - and that's the problem that SG tackles. That's why you have creep camps, that's why you have bot that can automatize your macro.
SC2 from the very beginning was developed as an e-sports game. Without Arcade and Co-op it would have died.
is battle aces free to play? where can I download it?
there is also Godsworn and Immortal Gates of pyre which has more different approach
My main problem with it is how GENERIC the art style looks and how BADLY it runs despite it looking like shit..... It's not just mindless hate but sc2 is so much cooler.I could at least deal with it if it didn't look like generic F2P mobile graphics. with super lame unit design.
pretty much.. when he says he didn't mind art design im like "hmmm... cant agree on that one"
because I 've been keeping a close eye on this game for years, and even played the campaign, but still I think the graphics suck after all this time
it's this kind of hyperbole that leads me to believe you would still hate it even if it looked like... whatever game u'r imagining.
"looking like shit" just go touch grass. What are you even doing?
I think it's deliberately bland so they can sell more interesting skins. It's a F2P after all.
That said, the terrain desperately needs improvement. It currently looks worse than Wings of Liberty maps (admittedly a high standard, but that's over a decade ago).
@@Trazynn I like the water colors look.
But ye more terrain types would be amazing.
@@Broockle "you would still hate it even IF" put that imagination to good use son.
To me Stormgate ends with me going "might as well play SC2". Unlike WC3 or AoE2 or Red alert 2, since there's no other like it, you tend to stick to it, each is a unique addition to the genre. Would I really add "another SC2 clone?", if so I'd rather play Battle Aces casually.
My exact feeling. Like what's the point if I have SC2 already installed on my pc 😆
Yeah, it's too similar, while at the same time looking weird somehow.
You listed three other RTSs that are just as unique as sc2 yet you act like SC2 is the only unique one.
Aoe2, SC2 are just better games period. Everyone wants Stormgate to be great but I don’t see it lasting for a long time. It’s boring.
@@razzendahcuben Man, I literally said those 3 are as unique as SC2.
Agreed! I think the "game essence" like you said is really good. The parts that are "done" are really good, but there are a lot of parts of the game that don't have any polish yet. I'm enjoying what I've played so far, and hope it gets enough time and money to finish their vision.
“Top pro” LMAO
Honestly, I had the exact opposite impression. The idea's are nice but what is there just feels off. The control is just not as crisp as in Starcraft - not as immediate. And I do not know whether this is even fixable because its so essential/fundamental to the engine
I'm having fun playing the game! Would love to see more Stormgate videos from you!
It is nice to see someone mention, "being a fresh undiscovered game" as a major positive for Stormgate. As I think its one of the biggest positives it can have. Dont get more wrong, like everyone else I understand sc2 to be an excellently crafted game, however, its a game we've seen thousands of times to the point the the "skill" on display in tourneys for the game are more focused on tight consistent execution's, rather than inventive strategies and impressive unit control. Stormgate brings back the variety.
Thank you for focusing on the core aspects of the game while also acknowledging the things that need polish, you can fixes things like art, menus, sound designs, but you can't make a bad game good if the core design is bad
This game looks too "efficient", its like it was made for pros that will most likely play on Low setting anyway, it has no cool factor in it.
Suddenly gates of pyre looks much better to me atm. Did not expect such an outcome. Will see how it goes.
My problem with Gates of Pyre is that it seems they need 10 more years to finish the game.
@@SKillousYT Fair enough, but I think development could speed up with its recent uptick in popularity. Immortal has been in development for around 6 years, while it's been around 4 years for Stormgate. I think Immortal is more impressive though, considering its budget and popularity. It made $150K on Kickstarter, whereas Stormgate made $2.3M (and then received additional funding in the realm of $35M).
Stormgate is definitely further along, but both games feel very unpolished. I do prefer Immortal's visual design and general gameplay though.
If I've learned anything from playing these games, it's that sc2 isn't going anywhere.
@@unrighteous8745unpolished is the word, but given its an early access, I can live with that !
Gates of pyre let me down so much. Just didn’t feel good to play. Storm gate has the engine and the mechanics. Gonna be a great game. Been having a blast on ladder.
I loved IGP! I'm also optimistic about SG, but in their current states, I enjoy IGP more.
You can take the developer out of blizzard but you can't take blizzard out of the developer. The art direction is so mind boggling to me. Its as if they took the art direction of what was popular during stormgate's inception instead of coming up with their own style. They claim that this is 100% original but most people agree that this looks like the fortnite of RTS. Made more plausible by the fact that they introduced monetization on an early access that you have to pay despite accumulating $35M from investors and $6M from crowdfunding.
The bar is so low for RTS that people who say that they're enjoying it are merely experiencing that because there's no alternative.
Minor correction: they got $3.5M from crowdfunding (kickstarter + startengine).
Agreed. And even the gameplay is nothing special. I just don't see much reason to play it over existing RTSes - it doesn't bring a whole lot to the table atm. I think if more of the other upcoming RTSes were already out it would be getting a LOT less play. It's getting played some atm because it's one of the only shows in town
I'm sure people would call the Celestials "Roblox angels" if the RTS community knew what Roblox is. Comically inept. Even their name is FGS.
- Adûnâi
So those dudes are all rich now? They put like Zero effort into the game. It's kinda disgusting honestly.
People have no concept for how much money it takes to make a game. $41 million might sound big to you but game developers in the US cost on average something like $150k per year per employee - then there's all sorts of other costs to running a business.
The likely reason they launched the game early access with monetization is because if they don't start making money they will have to shut down. They probably didn't have enough money to develop for another year before launching.
That doesn't mean you owe them anything or that you have to like the game - but we can still be understanding of why they made the decisions they made.
Sc2 is 14 years old and is levels above this. That’s why we love SC2.
WC3 is 22 years old and is way better than this.
sc1 is 25 years old and is dimensions above this.
Sc2 isn't even that great. It's good sure, but it's not the best game ever. SG is just really lame.
@@Ht9ehtoom I didn’t say it was the best game ever. PUBG is the best game ever.
Red Alert 3 is 16 years old, was shitted on because it looked """too cartoonish""" and it looks miles better than this with its graphics. While also not frying your processor ffs
Very cool to see a pro's perspective on Stormgate SKillous
Skillous you are badass man - I LOVE when PiG, Lowko, and Winter cast your Protoss matches. Always entertaining.
Nice to see you on UA-cam. I remember seeing you do really well in our tournament The Siege Perilous hosted by Creighton Olson
on the subject of optimisation: a thing i just noticed watching this gameplay is that about 25% of the rendered frame is wasted under the UI essentially cutting GPU performance by 25%. all so you can see a tiny sliver of the game on the bottom left and bottom right. seems like they could just have the UI extend to the edge of the screen and then just not render that whole section. free 25% performance boost :D
Im a game developer. The fragment shader for fully occluded elements will not run. So no, your statement is inaccurate.
I guess the problem is that UI is adjustable. I have it at maximum 120%.
@@00jknight That is not entirely true. If you are rendering in passes (e.g. most engines/games) that part of the depth buffer might not be occluded in the depth map. Also, even if the UI gets rendered in the same render pass as 3D geometry (highly unlikely), if the order of draw calls is not "UI first", again, the depth map will not see those texels as occluded and will run the fragment shader on them. That is my understanding at least.
@@00jknight you sure do talk a big talk without knowing jack shit :)
@@SKillousYT that makes a lot more sense!
Good video, I feel similarly. I do wish the graphics/art style was a bit more gritty. The unit design is really creative.
nice win in the ESL weekly today! cheers
Frost Giant generally has a weird way of developing and handling the game. Obvious issues like the stupidly loud tree sounds or insane balance issues are not adressed, or take way more time than they should. At least the ridiculous monetization is working I guess. Frost Giant is very confident in their stance of "it is early access, it will get fixed soon^TM" while they charge a lot for it like 10 Euro for a commander in coop, while being not as deep but twice as expensive as a SC2 one, and insane work-in-progress campaign charging up to 27 euros. Releasing it in early access now is a big mistake, and they are going to suffer from it unfortunately. Shame, the game can be good if taken care of properly.
They are probably running out of $$$ and need to release just something.
@@d0k0night they got a fortune in kickstarter, they should deliver something much better than was promisse,
This shit jjust looks like a generic mobile game, SO BAD.
@@d0k0night Where'd all that 40 mil go?
AoM:R is going to crush this game when it releases at end of month
True. Heck AoE2 is already crushing this game.
@@allanshpeley4284 sg has what 1400 concurrent on steam, the game is doa
Do we need another RTS game that doesn't bring anything new to the table? We have BroodWar, Startcraft 2, Warcraft III, AoE. They are distinctive to one another and people with different preferences and play style could find what they want in one of them. Yes, these are old games, but I don't think they are lacking anything in the technical aspects. I would like to try a new RTS, but some which actually has some novelty, fresh ideas, some genuine innovation. Stormgate looks just as a clone of Starcraft with some Warcraft elements blended in. It's doesn't offer anything which would make me switch from the old Blizzard RTSes to it. Also, as subjective as it might be, the cartoonish style of their design is very ugly and washed out.
My thoughts as well. It brings nothing new to the table, and everything it does (be it gameplay or graphics) it does worse than existing games. It's not a terrible game but I don't see any logical reason to play it. They need to be way more bold going forward
@@EB-bl6cc "nothing new" ><
You never played competitive 1v1. This is the most refreshing thing I've experienced in YEARS. I'm addicted already.
SC2 1v1, bye bye
@@noquarter9700😂😂😂😂😂 great joke
@@noquarter9700 Most of us have 0 interest in 1v1 ladder climbing stuff.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 That's very fair feedback
Cool Frost Giant is working on other game mods that are full multiplayer based
Stormgate is the next Blizzard
It will do everything, from MOBAS to Diablo likes
The best feeling I had in years
Frost Giant is next Blizzard
Blizzard is dead
No good Blizzard game will exist
No, I'm no investor
Thanks for your perspective. I feel like what you’ve said is fair
I really love the game, the main point as you said is this fresh feeling and if they keep updates regularly I will keep playing for sure
One main issue is unlimited money from creeps/ how much you earn from creeps ruins a lot of the game from being PvP to building around PvE lol
Im liking, just started a few days ago. The gameplay is nailed, it's just missing massive features like replays, and map previews. Modes like ffa, 8 players maps not existing does suck, but not as much as the features.
It's not very good.
Creep camps in this type of game make no sense.
Balance is nowhere near complete.
The style is league of legends - bad anime/pixar mix.
It's intended to draw in sc2 players, but many of the RTS players are simply tired of the fast clickfest that is sc2.
So the target audience is the niche of a dying niche.
It can't sell well.
You very smart predicting futur. WOw, Big brain.
You just suck at RTS.
I've never played or watched Stormgate but your speech was very clear
thanks ✨
I really want it to succeed, but it's looking grim. I hope a lot of people play it and it becomes amazing.
I'm fine with the roughness of it all as it's early days, but the graphic style is a poor choice, and it's too slow. It is trying to market itself as a SC2 beater, but it's more Warcraft.. and so far, it outdoes neither. Disappointed is my gut feeling at the moment, but will keep an eye on it. As an extra, I feel the camera is too high on this, so I think it makes seeing the units in big battles quite difficult
why is the robot breathing in the first few seconds?
Agree with pretty much all of your points. Anyway, I like the game and I think it has a lot of potential. Feels a lot like SC2, but units are tankier and overall gameplay is less volatile + creep camps add to the gameplay.
there's pros and cons for me too in regards to Stormgate!
I think the gameplay is fun, and that's probably the most important part. I actually like them taking risks and experimenting with Celestials - I even wish other races were a bit more experimental and outthere too.
I guess I have an easier time than you waiting for the inevitable balance patches. probably because I know they're coming, and waiting for 5-10 days is totally fine for me 😅
as for cons, the cartoony art style really detracts from the game for me, I just don't like it. but I understand that stylized art is a lot easier, cheaper and faster to produce. and I'm not sure a lot of people have strong enough computers to render like 400 supply of units done in a more detailed style.
I agree with you about the UI - can't wait for them to improve it. it's clearly placeholder and I understand it's not a top priority for early access.
also agree on the importance of sound design. some of the unit lines, esp. for Infernals and Celestials, aren't very well written or voice-acted. some of them remind me of Dark Eldar unit replies from Dawn of War - a bit too long, done quietly and in a raspy voice. it's hard to hear what they're saying and a bit distracting.
all in all, I bought the game a few days ago to support the devs, and I don't regret the decision. would love to see more Stormgate content from you - e.g., with build orders, guides or "special tactics" shenanigans :)
stylized art also ages far better than anything approaching realism. I hate when people complain about the art and then don't give examples.
What kind of RTS art style would you like?
Ye the sfx needs way more polish. A ton of units just don't have good voice lines, abilities just don't impact. Infest for example should be a lot more obvious imho. Gaunts should be attacking with green booger attacks and having different sfx once they got the upgrade. Stuff like that to communicate things better.
@@Broockle I really love the original SC1 art, not the hd-remaster (which is a lot worse). It's grittier, darker, more grimy. I think the problem is not just the art style, but also the setting?
The world of SC1 has more darkness, dust and dirt in it (and that makes it more realistic, not the graphics). In SC1, Terran tech looks cobbled together and worn out with use. There's rust, huge gaps between metal sheets, bent corners. Even Protoss tech looks old and dusty, just in a different way - like ancient architecture. The cutscenes did a lot of heavy lifting here: Phoenix dies in some crumbling stone hallway drowning in sand and dust. Terrans are literal hillbilly stereotypes, but in space: guns, beer, sweat, country music, janky old trucks, flags... The tank they bring out to shoot that dragoon in one of the cinematics is just hilariously old and rattly.
For SC2, they cleaned all of that up. Now all Protoss stuff looks like jewellery: gleaming gold, cleanest crystals, not a speck of dust, etc. Terran stuff is also new and squeaky clean - no rust, no bent metal or poorly fit parts, everything is brand new and advanced in a typical sci-fi way.
Just look at the marine: he used to be a small, sweaty guy with an ugly mug and a mean attitude. Grease is literally dripping off of his skin in the portrait. In SC2, he's a fucking stern, stoic hero with a noble profile and a powerful jawline. The SC1 remaster did the same thing: they washed him up, made him paler for some reason and less mean, and even stuck some blue sci-fi readouts into his helmet. The SC1 marine don't read no readouts, I'm not even sure that dumb mf-er can read.
So the cartoonification hit more than just the art style. It also hit the setting, the worldbuilding itself. And the world of Stormgate is a lot closer to SC2, if not Overwatch. It's a valid artistic choice, just not the one I'd make.
@@Broockle Stylized art is okay. They just missed it. It doesn't look nice. Maybe it can be improved but so far I really dislike the art style. Would be better if they went into more of a fantasy art or more Dark art. But this comix-borderlands is just not nice. Its my opinion tough
@@kathorsees well this is refreshing. Some actual criticism. Yeah I agree with all this.
SC2 made some changes a lot of fans don't agree with.
The most egregious by far being Kerrigan's amnesia and redemption arch.
Stormgate units look very clean atm, I have heard that nitpick and I kinda agree. In the campaign story, the humans have been invaded by infernals for 20 years and are a battle hardened, scattered, ragtag team with cobbled together gear.
Would be amazing if the aesthetics of the units and buildings reflect all of that.
@@kraldada6557 Ye that's fair, I'm thinking they will keep the cartoony feel of it all but there will be more vfx and sfx that will still add a lot of needed flavor.
Even things like ground effects, blood splats and earth shatters, scorched earth, things like that should already put it more into what you're describing I think.
More scuffed materials on all the Vanguard buildings would be cool too I think, maybe even dynamically from when it takes damage. Little things like that on all ends would really make this game come alive I think.
this looks so similar to sc2 in the way it is played (and yet less refined even though it's a new game) that I don't understand why I should play it instead of sc2. It's so unimaginative it's almost frustrating
Gameplay doesnt feel fun.
Fights are a mess and are boring.
Sc2 is much better in this aspect, first you can see whos winning, fights are fun, drops are fun, units are better and more fun, everything is better in sc2.
i rly like its much more like WoL then LotV. LotV moved in a way i wasnt rly a fan of and this feels like they not done the same here so far.
бля, скиллыч, спасибо тебе и жирный лайкос за то, что высказался против злобных комментариев! согласен с тобой, вижу кучу необоснованного хейта и просто мега-негатива.
совершенно нормально написать "мне не нравится то-то и то-то", критиковать и т.п. напр., я не фанат их рисовки, просто не люблю мультяшность.
но абсолютно не нормально переходить на личности и писать "разрабы жадные суки!!", "фу что за за говно кто так рисует 🤮", "чтоб они сдохли все" и т.п.
на том конце сидит живой человек, который пытается сделать что-то творческое, порадовать игроков и прокормить семью. который тоже чувствует, тоже может ошибиться, или устать, или прочитать стену брызжащих слюной и ненавистью комментов и насмерть расстроиться.
давайте жить дружно, короче!) в мире и так полно говна сейчас, зачем ещё добавлять. всем добра, а тебе удачи в SC2! ❤
спасибо за этот коммент :)
Stop making excuses for Frost Giant. They have repeatedly behaved in dishonest and misleading ways with the community - they don't deserve anyone's sympathy. They raised $35M from investors and $6M from the community and then proceeded to light it on fire. The last thing we need are people justifying this behavior.
@@allanshpeley4284 without any arguments to back them up, these are just baseless and toxic accusations.
"dishonest and misleading behavior" - like what?
Хз где ты таких отбитых нашел, читаю комменты сверху вниз - везде вполне адекватная критика. Может они внизу осели, я хз. А так в целом, если игра едва играбельна, а магазин за реал там уже работает совершенно нормально, выводы о жадности разработчиков напрашиваются сами собой. Не хотите подвергаться нападкам за жадность - сначала делайте игру, а потом доите бабло с фанатов. Я хз, в мое время таких клоунов гнали ссаными тряпками с рынка, а теперь люди им в очередь выстраиваются заносить зеленых президентов.
@@ivanivanovich1020 чувак) ты сам ровно такой отбитый коммент и написал. "клоуны", "доите бабло", "гнать ссаными тряпками", "жадность"... это дикий токс. если мы с тобой зайдём в кафе или любой офис и такое скажем тем, кто там работает - нас с тобой оттуда пинками выгонят, если не поколотят. это конкретная злобная ругань.
а что ещё грустнее - ругань совершенно необоснованная. игра _бесплатная_. скачиваешь и играешь сколько хочешь. не хочешь - не платишь ни копейки. за тебя и твой отдых платят те игроки, которым понравилась игра и у которых есть желание что-то себе взять или поддержать разраба. так что ж ты ругаешься-то? тебе бесплатно плюшки дают - а тебе всё мало?)
как им на бесплатной игре без стора деньги-то зарабатывать? они должны инвесторам, которые их несколько лет разработки кормили - и эти деньги надо возвращать. они платят зарплаты своим работникам, которые работают над патчами и новым контентом. они платят за серваки, на которых мы играем.
а в наше время такого тупо не было - бесплатные игры) плати за диск, а потом надейся, что установится и заработает. если не заработало - твои проблемы. никаких дискордов, где тебе саппорт отвечает, никаких патчей раз в неделю - куда там)
I'm loving the game. Got 75hrs so far, because playing games isn't my job, otherwise I'd have more than you haha. But I love how similar in game play it is to WC3 and SC2. Yet it's got a lot of new rts things. People need to give it a chance, it's very addictive.
There's a good foundation here, and I think in about a years time the game will be in a great place but the devs need to get away from all the references from SC and WC. Right now it feels like a game trying to be that rather than its own thing. We know there working on improving the visuals which is great because the art style is fine but the game needs an improvement in visual clarity. And hopefully they will sort out the units voice lines as well as most of them are hard to hear. Ok start but the game needs alot of work.
I have a VERY hard time believing they have funding issues. I think they have tried to toe the line of garnering support and making people feel comfortable about the future to the detriment of their reputation. If I'm correct that they haven't wanted to make RTS fans too comfortable, I would assert that this is short sighted. For people to feel comfortable investing time into a game to get good at it, they need to feel like the game won't just disappear rendering their newfound skill worthless. They need to address this concern about funds because they are trying to monetize as much as possible (WHICH THEY SHOULD) but it's interpreted badly with the air of concern looming.
You clearly don't know what's going on if you think they're not having financial trouble. They were required by law to release their financials when they opened their StartEngine campaign. Their SEC filing indicated they had $6.8M left as of February and that they're spending $1M+ per month. Since they were unable to obtain additional capital, the only other funds they have access to are a $2M line of credit and whatever pocket change Kakao Games gave them to promote the game in Asia. They were very clear that they need to make money during Early Access to continue building the game.
I dream about a super advanced and complex RTS with dozens of factions that plays completely different from one another (Goblins faction, Gaia faction, Robot faction, Parasites faction, Elf faction, Wizards faction, Warrios faction, etc etc etc...) , each one of them having near 100 different units that are usable in certain situations or strats, dozens of different unique buildings and a deep tech tree on each of them, ultra advanced graphics that makes the world compelling and rich, a variety of maps that incentives different approaches on each of them, hundreds of different unique techs... In summary a ultra hardcore deep modern RTS. I would gladly waste my entire life playing this thing if it was available... Sadly this seems like a distant dream that won't become a reality in my lifetime...
I really like the game. I've always struggled with starcraft but I had a lot of fun playing stormgate being new to the genre. Really hopeful for the games future
Will be happy to hear your opinion! Also, will leave more comments later if will disagree about some part of video)
Battle Aces will most likely be the next top RTS game for years to come. Also created by people who worked on Starcraft (David Kim).
Innovative, fast, simple.
Fun to play, fun to watch. Beta was an absolute blast to play!
BattleAces are cool. But it's a very different genre, I personally didn't find it as interesting because I really like base building. Maybe I will reconsider later.
battleaces will never get really big and it will not be the next to RTS game for years to come. It's a cool game but too shallow and not additive enough to play all the time. The beta peaked at 600 players
Eh, I don't like how every RTS it seems like is trying to move away from base building. pass on that one too.
the game feeling fresh is just a natural state for it now since its completely new so I wouldnt really put it as a special point because every new game has lots to discover
Definitely would like to see storm gate content from you. Спасибо, Никита
Hey man I really enjoyed this video. You’ve got my sub.
Looking forward to seeing more content.
Keep working on your english too (:
i personally am really enjoying the game, mostly because celestials are VERY much up my alley, both visually and mechanically
does stormgate have any future? I would say not sure and im not optimistic for this games future. i think that the devs should have delayed this game all the way to 2028. releasing it in this half baked and and under cooked state and already selling MTX shows me that this game is an already finished product. look i really want this game to succeed, but the state it is in right now is not acceptable. if this is the best that FGS can accomplish with the current state of the ea launch then this it is pathetic and shows me that the devs were using the good ol made be "ex veteran devs that brought you SC2 and WC3" to generate hype and sell the product and right now the game looks like crap. will need to see a alot and i mean ALOT of improvements and updates to the game in order for me to trust the devs that they are not going to become the next blizzard and become the ambitious, innovative, and amazing company that blizzard failed to hold up.
I would agree. It's so laggy and buggy too. Way more than broodwar. I can't even multitask up to my normal speed of 200-300 APM because it lags, like it won't register commands if you play that fast.
Really balanced takes here! Agreed people should give it a try if they enjoy StarCraft. The pace of the game makes it very fun for average players imo. Lots of polish and balance left to improve though!
did you see the campaign cutscenes or the characters?
let's just say I can understand why casual pve folks are not super pleased...
I think they made a mistake showing the campaign so early, it's clearly not done.
And you don't need people's feedback on some of the stuff, it's just basics.
I understand wanting to hear people's opinions and share the work you've been doing. But at the same time you're first impressions are so important.
@@Buttersman It's certainly very concerning that they thought it is a good idea to show this to the public...
Well, I never play campaigns in any games so I'm not the best to judge anything.
I watched some people play SG on YT, I think first cinematic is very good (except when the "bad" dude comes out of the gate). Cutscenes with ingame models looked funny, probably could be done better, but I have barely any reference (all I remember is that in HoMM5 it looked worse than that, but I loved it)
@@SKillousYT you should definitely check out starcraft 2 in that regard. The cinematics are the best of the best ;)
Going to check it out for free and say how I feel maybe even tomorrow, depending if I have enough time.
So my first impression - I get why so many people are disappointed it is very in very rough state still, but I see what they are trying to go for so I am going to give them benefit of doubt ATM and keep trying it out.
I definitely appreciate the balanced look at the game, just because nostalgia clouds it up, doesnt mean we shouldnt hold the game to certain standards, that being said, for the people who are incredibly upset about the current assets and voice acting, like, way too mad for your own good. In all reality, they dont want to release the finished assets until a solid large section of it is done.
Now, to be fair, i also dont like their pricing model, but, it is a hybrid model so we will have to see how it works over a few years.
Stormgate should tow the part of Immortals Gates of Pyre which instead of copying everything about SC2 adapted some of the designs. That's how it will survive in the long run
Copy pasting the homework but still got everything wrong
The thing I really hate is that the balance patch DIDNT fix many balance issues and exxagerated others. and also the fact that the game was SO, SO much better balanced in previous builds, is just insane for me.
Yeah, the fact that vector rush didn't get nerfed to oblivion is very sad. But at least some of the Celestial rushes got fixed, right?
@@SKillousYT yeah they fixed core rush (kinda). but the thing is, they never touched the exo eventhough everyone was complaining about it from day1 all the way back in february open beta, with quickdraw hustle (just a horrible upgrade in general, infinite kiting with a faster, longer ranged unit is never good as it has no counter before the late late game).
it wasnt better balanced the abuses just wasnt found out publicy
@@snowdrop9810 they nerfed the exo oO
my dude, it's an early access game. people just got their hands on it. give it time!
it's inevitable that there's going to be imbalance - players are smart, and outnumber the devs 2000 to 1 or more. tens of thousands of brains playing the game and experiencing it in practice will _always_ beat 60 brains developing the game and imagining the meta in theory. the combined brainpower of players is too great to fully predict and prevent all possible cheeses and broken strats.
it's the joy and pain of having a fresh new game! the wild west days of a young RTS title. enjoy this freedom and creative chaos while you can, because in mere months there will be established optimized builds, and in a year a lot of them will feel stale and predictable.
Hello Skillous, this is UA-cam.
So where is the opinion of the "top sc2 Pro"?
Still waiting on that moba with beat-em-up controls where your abilities need a button combo to input. League of Rage :)
I would love to see some Stormgate content, seems like once it's balanced it can be really fun. In earlier phases it did not look that well so I guess it's going in the right direction, but I have not played yet so that's opinion before.
Plenty of Stormgate content already out there 😅
@@Zibit21 hahaha sure there is, but hard to tell what is promotional what is more honest approach
Gonna be honest, most of the other upcoming RTS games seem more promising than Stormgate at this point. Despite Stormgate having a lot of things you'd think would make it work (a lot of SC2 community people being onboard the entire process, a very good initial vision of what they wanted, etc. etc.) it just isn't working out that well atm. Game isn't complete trash, but currently there's 0 reason to play it over existing RTS games
I really spect more from this game but it looks like a fusion of warcraft starcraft and diablo not an new fresh innovate game
Having a blast playing Stormgate. So much potential. And a good RTS with developer support and new content is been my dream lol. Fuck blizzard.
is it free? or is it a open beta or something? i know nothing about the game
It is going to be free starting tomorrow.
@@AstatorTV thx for the info
I have similar opinion. Game speed. StarCraft 2 was too fast for me, Warcraft was too slow. This speed here is balanced and is quite good. Of course units bugged. Hot keys are not my jam (I use ctrl shift group of units from StarCraft) but still. This is something ew and fresh. I can manage macro without stress comparing to sc2. Coop is fun , you can chill really, on the paper you think stupid change duo coop from StarCraft and here 3 people coop but is much more fun really.
Maybe it will be boring after some time like with every game sometimes but still. Anyone who likes rts and feel of commander of big army this is at least, ATLEAST worth try for some time and then choose do you like it or not.
Battle Aces > StormwarstarcrafCopyGate
BA is not for me. At least the last play test I didn't find that fun.
Not a fan of either of them for different reasons.
Need to update art style and or sound for everything first, the gameplay comes second cause the art is trash
Now I can’t decide between playing StarCraft 2 and this lol.
The endless process of creation and fundrising is obviously superior to the resulting performance. Seems devs just don't know what is a concept, what is alpha, what is beta, what is 1.0 and so on. They are still showing a low quality gameplay design concept, some adjustments for multiplayer (to get free adv from wc3&sc2 content creeators) and thats is sad
Думаю Ангелы-Протосы еще визуально несьедобные. Войска теранов демонов еще различаю но селесы это каша:)
Мне не все 3 тир юниты нравятся. Ангелы дракон норм , а остальные пока сомнительно.
По эстетике Шторм ближе к Варику конечно, деревья которые можно рубить, легкая мультяшность.
Главное преимущество это что юниты не умирают за секунду и есть время подумать. Для зрителей может это и хуже, но игроков будет больше. Однако переживаю за всякие аое юниты атаки , они могут нарушить этот опыт :') одни только аое ямато чего стоят
Ага, Анимансеры у Селестиалов и Батоны с бомбами уж слишком сильное аое.
Работы над визуалом нужно еще много, конечно!
Maps look like the type of map you create yourself as your first ever map in sc2/wc3 editor. Really bad. 0 detail.
It seems that scII is an update of stormgate and not the opposite
The grafics look like a mix of Warcraft and StarCraft in the asthetics of Overwatch. Nothing really new, basic rts. And my problem with free to play is that the playerbasis of 1 v 1 is much different in relation to campaign and 3 v 3 differs again. As I understand it, the bulk of the money will come from the campaigners, so esports and Casual gameplay have two totally different goals, which will not be easy.
Hey Skillous, thank you for the video, you made some great points.
One piece of feedback I have for you is that, you are so close to speaking perfect English, that it makes your minor missing pieces of English pronunciation stand out even more.
You particularly should work on your R's, when you say words like
"Pattern" "Creep" "Everything" "Clarity" "UA-camr" "Starcraft", "Alerts" or "Addressed".
If you just got better at R's you would sound much closer to fluent.
I am sure you speak beautifully in Russian but in English I feel I can give you a little feedback. I am also learning a language so I know the struggle. Sorry if this comes off as negative, I am just trying to help and support your work by saying this.
Thank you for this comment, I just need to find some time to work on my pronunciation. I agree, this is important.
@@SKillousYT
It kinda feels like a SC2 custom map with worse visuals, even tho the game is much older. The visuals and design is what repels me the most. It all looks so generic, bland and soulless. Everything is too cute, too harmless ... no atmosphere at all.
This looks like a much shittier version of SC2 in every aspect of the game.
Everyone wanted Stracraft 3 and Warcraft 4 which, like the 2 and 3, would have been the same games but improved.
But now they are doing this with Stormgate, it's not good because it's the same as SC2 and W3
An actual sequel to a game is a little different than a game that copies those game's homework fuses the worst aspects of them and does it all worse.
Weird take.
I think the problem is attempting to cater to pros. Cater to players if you want anyone to play your game. A dog campaign locked behind micro transactions means this is dead on arrival.
Your first benefit about the game is that it's getting a lot of dev attention? It's in early access, no shit....
This game feels like trying to emulate something successful with no understanding of why it got successful to begin with
ZeroSpace looks much more promissing than Stormgate.
6:00 skillpous play without hands
this game.... speed is good, reduce army size, more dmg, make this game even more microwise and forget sc2 aspects, this game would be better if it would be little bit more like wc3 cause it fails as a sc clone
Nothing about this game hooks me, I'll go back to the SC EVO mod instead.
How are people surprised that this game sucks so much? Did anyone actually believe it would be the next Starcraft?Stormgate was from the beginning a scam. 35 million dollars to make this steaming pile of $#%^ 😂😂😂
It's literally a scam. Like jucero, or cyberpunk.
Take investor money, release some crap. Doesn't matter, made money.
Honestly I just came from watching a Grubby Wc3 video and I gotta say it still looks way more fun than this. And it ain't even the reforged version
I love the game. I wanna see more.
Top SC2 pro? You wish my dude.
my biggiest problem with stormgate is, why should i play this whan Starcraft 2 exist??
this looks like a descount starcraft, lacking all the years of patchs and content Starcraft already have
This is the first time I watched a video on 0.75 speed unironically :))
I really don't like stormgate right now. I think the UI is very unintuitive, the game looks fine but sounds really bad, and it just feels too much like starcraft. I already played starcraft, if I want to play it I'll just play that. I think the biggest reason for why it feels so derivative of SC2, is that Vanguard is too much like Terrans. If Vanguard didn't exist or were a completely different race, I would be more on board.
Do I speak too fast? Or because of the accent?
@@SKillousYT you definitely speak at a fast pace!
Yes, it has. And a bright one :P
😂
i watch warcraft 3 all the time. even this old game has a more sophisticated surface. its just a lazy blend of colors mostly with some structures. you can find more of that in every other blizzard game. this annoys me a lot. its part of the experience and it looks lazy or it looks like a old game when it should look at least on par as starcraft
So, here's the problem...the things people like you are calling "Polish" issues are not "Polish" issues. They are things that FGS has adamantly defended for over a year now. Chalking things up to the game being "Unfinished" is such a cop out in place of real criticism, it's sugar coating. The reality is, FGS has made some extremely bad design decisions and they need to rework some of the core designs if this game is going to have any chance.
You can say people are being mean, but FGS has been openly ignoring feedback since the god damn Alpha and they are only now starting to budge on anything because they received a god damn flood of the same feedback because they went public. The FGS team has been downright disrespectful of their player base from day 1.
Well, with polish I mostly mean getting rid of all the placeholders at least. It ruins a lot of experience for me, especially with sound. With graphics too sometimes, I mentioned the "scouting drone" from Van for example.
Nah, Sc 1 & 2 is enough. And other RTS hidden gem that need some attention : Battle Realms.
Stormgate just does not look good. I mean for the type of game, I suppose, but it is in no way a replacement to sc2. It looks and feels much more like sc3.
Bro, I already paid for the game but only the basic, tried it and went back to SC2, I just can replay SC2 Campaign any day and jump into the online any moment and it is miles better than Stormgate. The gameplay itself looks decent at least but nowhere close in the animations or distinctions between characters, the art direction is quite questionable but in the campaign the cutscenes... oh may gaush I can't stand it, it looks so bad... the writing could be decent maybe? As long as I played the script isn't garbage to me but nothing spectacular neither.
I hope it gets better, I won't ask for refund since I see myself playing it again in some future but I will never waste in this game the 5% time I invested into playing SC2 and was 100% worth there.
I have played a lot of wc3 and sc2 ranked 1v1 but i was never a pro, however i think the game mechanics of stormgate are awesome. They way the units are designed, to prevent massing big units like the dragon and forcing to micro manage more, instead of macro only like in sc2 is the one thing i like. Furthermore the creeps and units being able to gain experience and become a little bit more stronger is a better mechanic then heroes in warcraft 3, who dictate the outcome of the game or whose strength is severely increased from lvl 2 to lvl 3. They took the best elements from wc3 and sc2 in my opinion and balanced them. However this game is not intended for casuals, but if it was there would be no reason to play it competitively along sc2 and wc3. Therefore it was obvious FG had to focus on gameplay and mechanics instead of visuals. And furthermore i also dont care about visuals, since i play wc3 which is more than 20 years old 😂😂😂
there is no love. no originalityy..its just something to play because its a new RTS.. what other RTS is there?? zero