Denver's High Altitude: An Unfair Advantage in Sports?
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"Every single sports team does better at home"
Miami Heat: Hold my beer
Lol, it amazes me that Miami's road record was just as good as the 76er's this year.
Fax my man
This pains me as a heat fan
I hate this as a heat fan but it is true.
Because the AA arena is literally on the sea
I can only imagine the struggle Nikola Jokic had when he first got to denver
Maybe that High altitude air made him a beast
Noah’s Arkwood where’s he’s from is kinda mountainous actually so probably not that big of a change
Jamesblah true but point still stands
@@jamesdelo9272 the city where he's from is 90 meters above sea level, Denver is 1500
Archduke Franz Ferdinand oh sorry, Serbia is a petty mountainous place, so I just assumed he was born in a high altitude place
That's why the spurs couldn't listen and we're just frozen in game 7
makes sense to me
Lmao
Don't you realize sound travels faster and louder in thin air? :D /s
@@taotaozhang4568 but you need oxygen to support your consciousness
Imma spurs fan and dis shii was funny😂
Taotao Zhang r/iamverysmart
There’s a reason why the US Olympic team trains in Colorado Springs.
Is this true?
Yep. The US Olympic Committee selected Colorado Springs to build their training center due to their high elevation which is 6,200 ft.
Most of the athletes train there and when they perform in an Olympic host city which is usually sea level, they’ll perform 20X better because their bodies got more red blood cells. Consider this the only doping the IOC will allow.
Ranel Gallardo it’s the same reason Ethiopian distance runner are so good, they train in high altitude
Aye who else lives in Colorado Springs
@@2phonebabykeem913 facts. Then when they go and race anywhere else, it's like they have an extra source of oxygen.
Golden State's proximity to the sea, gives them a constant dosage of salt.
Ur teams watching the playoffs from the couch
Ha
Lmaooooo
Danny Nichols and have millions of bandwagon fans that will only
Like them when they win
What lol
Shaq was on the verge of being winded at sea level
As someone from Denver this is something I’ve always been intrigued by
Yeah I live in Denver too and to me it's just normal air
El-ahrairah I moved here from New York so when I first started working out here etc it was such a drastic change my body could barely do half of my normal routines, so definitely a difference to some or at least me personally
you from denver or you from suburbs 👀
Leo suburbs I’m not Denver Denver but close enough lmao
@El-ahrairah The most extreme example I know of is the Bolivian national football ("soccer") team. They got temporarily banned from hosting World Cup games due to a gigantic high altitude advantage before a huge backlash made the FIFA revert that rule.
Is Detroit dirtiness a unfair advantage, I think so
They have holes in their court because it's an old YMCA
Wow, you're so funny.
@@fallenempire58-64 nah I'm pretty sure that's spelled correctly
FALLEN EMPIRE58- iguodala in Detroit?
@@jeremyfuller7730 it's Iguodala
Its like Bolivia in football. They're not a great team but have a tremendous home record, no one likes playing there. (Argentina lost 6-1 there yikes bro)
Exactly, and Kenyan marathon runners. They've got stamina for days
Yeah, but La Paz is over 2 times thigher than Denver (2.26 to be exact). So it's like, but not exactly. :)
Gavin Davis they were the reason that football games have to be played below 2000m above sea level
M C they develop a greater lung capacity from running at higher elevations at a young age
Came here to say this. Bolivia may not have a good football team but any team that goes to play them at La Paz struggle because of the altitude its a tough place to play
This is a big issue in international south american soccer tournaments. Some teams in Bolivia, Peru and Ecuador have stadiums that are 3600mts+ high (12000ft+).
Damn
Thx for the putting it in murican terms
Also explains the University of Wyoming having poor recruiting classes and superior outcomes for the abysmal recruitment ranks. Laramie is at 6800 feet while most recruits are from much lower altitudes. Wyoming players tend to end up with superior conditioning at lower altitudes resulting in 6 to 8 win teams often coming from 90th to 115th best recruiting classes.
@@Eibarwoman 7100ft*
Denver is the highest city in the US in more ways than one... ;)
Lmao
Rudie Obias they about to legalize shrooms over there too😂
Rudie Obias most cities there in Colorado are at least a mile high. Leadville is the highest city in the USA, Which is also in Colorado
😂😂😂
Denver doesnot make the top 100 in US
You could say the nuggets will be sky high if they win game 7
Taki Inuoe Stupid Taki. 🤦🏼♂️😂😂
The door is that way 👉🏻
@@makaveli9789 lol
Im not ok with this.
They didnt
So that's how Jokic survived 65 minutes playtime
Makes sense to me ;D
This man was about to die 😂
theglitchedcontroller17 I would’ve lost like 20 pounds
Let's get some Himalayan NBA teams.
That way a team can go 35-0 at home
you tryna let a team go 0-82 or something?
I think half the nba teams will just die on the way there
jtstearns 😂😂😂
I live in Quito which is the 2nd highest city in South America and the only reason our national team plays their soccer games here is because of the altitude. Because there are much nicer stadiums on the coast of Ecuador with capacities of 65.000 seats, but our already bad national team would lose every game if we didn’t use this altitude as an advantage.
Michael Smith Yeah, I remember hearing about this during the World Cup qualifiers. This is also something that Bolivia does with their national team.
Bolivia and Ecuador national teams choose to play their games always in La Paz and Quito instead of Santa Cruz de La Sierra and Guayaquil. But Colombia doesn’t do the same thing. They don’t play in Bogota, but in Barranquilla. I have no idea why they dont use this “advantage”.
Rockies: No World Series Wins
Nuggets: No championships
Avalanche: havent won since 2001
Broncos: 3 Superbowl wins
Superbowls arent played at home stadium so broncos dont get advantage there
Jack Stenson because their teams suck
Maybe even players of Denver teams dont like playing there. Wonder why Arenado signed a huge extension tho
The players on the team have nothing to do with the advantage. They might have had shit players but thoss shit players had a better chance of playing better
You act like 2001 is a long time to go without winning the cup
The Avs won right after moving to Colorado.
*The Ecuador soccer team laughs in the distance*
Fr
Can you explain?
C. J. For World Cup qualifiers, the South American teams play 10 fixtures home and away. Ecuador’s capital, Quito, is 2800 meters above sea level and therefore they have an advantage there. They beat superior teams there all the time
They don't play in quite though they played the qualifiers in guayaquil 😒
Daniel Peru false, they play at El Stadio Olimpico in Quito
“ if you live in North America or Canada” lol Canada is North America 💀
False. I have been told by experts that Canada is its own continent surrounded by maple syrup.
Lol.
@@MDJiang as a Canadian I can confirm this is true
Mike Hegarty Canadians aren’t Americans but they still live in North America look on google lol what countries are in North america
@Mike Hegarty did you fail science
so in that case, Nuggets in 7
nope
Lmao
Lol
Bet you feel stupid now
😂😂😂😂😂NOPE!
I say high altitude definitely has some advantages. In football (soccer to Americans). International teams such as Brazil, Argentina etc always have problems playing Bolivia and struggle when in La Paz. Teams often go to Bolivia 4-5 days in advance if possible to acclimatise.
No I think it's fine-Blazers Fan
warriors in 4
Genius level content.
I commend you for your research and putting all this together the way you did man
As a Coloradan my favorite thing to do when people visit from out of state is take them up to the mountains and see how long it takes for them to black out.
Meet the Denver Nuggets an NBA team with a MILE HIGH VERTICAL
Gonna be a hard game 7 for my Blazers :(
At least you didn’t have to watch your team get murdered by Giannis and become a laughing stock after the extremely high expectations on them
Luke Bashian I did, but with the Pistons
@@nutssack nobody gave detroit a high expectation tho
At least your team didn't miss the playoffs.
At least your team to a KDless warriors :(
I was in Denver for two days, went for a run for an hour and played paintball with my cousins once, and I had a splitting headache for the next two. I did play golf though later and hit a 350 yard drive multiple times. I almost holed out on a par four.
Denver native here...great video!
12:05 is incorrect. For much of the NBA season, Phoenix is in the GMT -6 (US Mountain Standard) time zone. During Daylight Saving in the USA, Phoenix is GMT -7, but from late October through March, Phoenix is the third GMT -6 team.
Good breakdown. All things I've thought about in passing but never put it together.
Really well researched too
It’s like in real futbol in the Conmebol going to Bolivia and that high altitude has left some players in the hospital for months
Real what? Oh! You mean soccer
soccer but okay
And Ecuador
AK-S no one calls it soccer lol
@@jeremyfuller7730 it's called football cause it's played with feet, just like handball is played with the hands. Why do americans call that bootleg rubgy football? Idk
“ you live in North America or Canada”😂😂😂😂😂
This video was very informative and well made! Really enjoyed watching it! Please keep such interesting content coming. :)
I’ve always felt they should COMPETE at the ALTITUDE they IDENTIFY WITH
😅
Bro distinguish the difference between courts and fields lol
Who’s here before Lakers play Nuggets 😂
I’m here after the game, unfortunately.
I really don't say stuff like that often but some of your video ideas are just amazing. I would never think of possible altitude issues in Denver or even the one video you did about the possiblity of a shot going in. Great stuff.
I love living and watching sports in Denver
My dude, you got nerdier than usual. Keep up the good work.
Broncos have most success among Denver sports teams, despite home court advantage meaning less in NFL than NBA and also NFL playoffs don't have multiple game series(unlike any other sports), so they sometimes have to play the only gave of a playoff round in away arena. Reason, Broncos managed to build better teams than other Denver teams. They've had John Elway and Peyton Manning as their QB's.
@@bballgriotd-e-e-e-troitbba604 Broncos did good job in general. I just mentioned top stars, didn't go into details. Their defense was most impressive during their last superbowl run.
Manning was a below average QB when they won the superbowl. Their defense won it for them
@@drone124 he was still great leader and decision maker on the court. His body was not in place, his mind was. They couldn't get close to that next year without him. It was not the most impressive win for a QB and you are right that the defense was key, but don't totally discredit him. And also, I was talking about the whole body of work the organization did 5o be successful and getting Peyton Manning was a big deal. And he gave them amazing years before getting injured.
The NFL has a very high variance, and together with the hard cap, is a league of parity whereas the other 3 sports aren't. The Broncos did get very lucky acquiring Elway too. Elway threw a tantrum refusing to play for the Colts, and the Broncos only got Elway because they had somebody the Colts wanted.
However, do keep in mind the Broncos has given up the most points in Super Bowl history. Not exactly an honor you'd want.
@@jyashin It's the story of the #1 defense vs the #1 offense, Broncos got destroyed by the Seahawks with the #1 D while they had the #1 O, and then the Broncos beat the Panthers with the #1 O while they had the #1 D (arguably the best defensive performance ever, accounting for manning being statistically the worst QB in a superbowl game)
Just wait when the sports team move to Colorado Springs
Love the content man! Keep it up and more uploads please!
With the way people love talking about their altitude, you would think Denver has won at least top 3 most championships in the league
fun fact they have only made 3 WCF and have never made it to the Finals
FJ Nemo fun fact it’s mostly exercised by broncos fans. And rightly so as they’re one of the better 10 franchises in league history.
LJ Wells top 5
LJ Wells yeah high altitude is emphasized a lot in broncos games
@@matiasavellanal5244 That wasn't a "fun" fact at all. I want my money back.
Their is a mark at Denver that marks exactly a mile, 5280 ft
This is good stuff mark really unique content
Remember the formula F = G M_1 M_2/(R^2) where F is force of gravity, G is gravitational constant, M_1 and M_2 are masses of earth and ball or other object respectively, and R is distance between centers of mass of earth and ball or other object; R in turn breaks down as R = R_1 + R_2, where R_1 is the radius of earth's sea level and R_2 is the height above sea level. So R^2 breaks down as R^2 = (R_1)^2 + 2 R_1 R_2 + (R_2)^2. For Denver, R = 6,371,041 m (6,369,432 m at sea level) whereas for the San Francisco Bay Area which shares I-80, R = 6,370,152 m (at sea level). Thus delta R^2 (which we care about) is 11,326,920,577 m^2 in favor of Denver (I did the math in excel to make absolutely certain). But M_1 = 5.9722 by 10^24 kg, whereas G = 6.674 by 10^(-11) m^3/kg s^2. Gravitational acceleration ("accel") is thus 9.819734 m/s^2 for Denver, 9.822475 m/s^2 for SFBA, hence a delta accel of 0.002741 m/s^2 in favor of Denver. If Steph Curry's three-pointer bangs at Oracle, it's too strong and instead goes just off the back rim in Denver.
One thing I have to point out. Hockey requires WAAYYYYY more cardio/aerobic than basketball.
Vladimir Turturica that is true
But even the best players are only on for 20-25 minutes a night.
Soccer I think beats out basketball since there’s only one break.
The Denver Nuggets have never been to the NBA finals
Edgar Mota lmao what do you mean
Hello everyone watching this video after the Nuggets make it to the finals
Edgar Mota avalanche have won though
@@myleshoward8850 it didn't happen yet if it does
@@myleshoward8850 they deff aren't beating the warriors. If the rockets would have won maybe. But denver be lucky to beat Portland tonight.
This is why I really like watching your vids. Keep it up, man.
This is an excellent informed video thank you . Do the Denver player find it easier to play in lower altitude?
14:11 The Nuggets never made the Finals. 1976 was the famous Celtics/Suns series.
ABA
@@gothbossbaby The NBA doesn't acknowledge those final appearances or any ABA accomplishment. But they should.
Seth Kasso Oof that sucks the NFL at least acknowledges the AFL's championships.
@@dylanf3108 The NBA even traces it's own origin back to the wrong league. The NBL forced the BAA to merge with it, creating the NBA, but the NBA only acknowledges BAA history.
I'm a Blazers fan, didn't know this, lets see what you have to say
TD #CSGO Dame is too talented.
Good luck man, the odds are against you and your club. Hope the game is competitive on Saturday. Game 6 was great. Dame and the rest of his team mates are playing their hearts out throughout this series. Same goes to Denver. Saturday looks like one for the books as there are going to be 2 if not 3 game 7s. Great day for all basketball fans.
Pasicho basketball is about making shots my guy. murray and Harris can breath all they want, but when shots aren't falling they aren't falling
Dame also trains a lot in Utah so he should be use to the altitude so he should be good
TD #CSGO we did it #RipCity
Your videos are so unique love it man💯
I just watched my first video and subscribed in 30 seconds. You’re one of the best youtubers I’ve watched man
this is exactly the video i was looking for after the nugs won it all. thank you!
one question: does it hold water to claim that humidity in other cities give an equivalent amount of trouble to athletes used to dry denver air?
i live in Colorado and trust it doesn't give us an advantage because our players are always stoned
Great video! Well researched and ordered
Its not normal how well researched this video is mad props dude🔥
Good vid. Outside of a handful of NBA teams with history who travel well, and a couple popular teams, there's fewer road fans at most NBA games compared to the other 3 major sports. Just my observation.
I like the concept of this video. Nice 👍
I actually moved from florida to Colorado. the altitude wasn't really noticeable at first it wasn't until I jogged up a couple flight of steps that I realized how much harder it was to breathe. my 3 mile runs turned to 2 mile runs, I couldnt play both sides in my flag football league like I used too and I actually had to slow down my weight training and take longer breaks between sets so I could get enough oxygen to complete 8-10 reps. really is a struggle physically for someone to come from a low altitude environment into a place like Denver.
Thank you for leaving the link in for the study, very insightful
This is cool. Blazers in 7
TheObesePanda you were right
Cool blazers won warriors in 4... Oh wait... Warriors literaly won in 4
Steelers fan here, always sucked when Ryan Clark had to sit out every time we faced Denver
Love the research dude. Excellent work.
Great vid. Really packed info in there.
In my anecdotal experience, hypoxia matters. 20% less oxygen at that altitude...it’s why all the boxers and fighters train at altitude.
I’m from New York, spend my time close to sea level.
I’m not in pro athlete shape, but i exercise enough to take a hike without wheezing by the end.
However, when I was out there, I got a bike from the hotel and rode around Boulder a lot, and took hikes up to the Flatirons (it’s roughly the same Alt. as Denver.) and it’s just a tired feeling in your muscles, unlike just regular strain from exercise.
When I rode up hills I felt okay at first but any prolonged muscle strain, would burn to the core.
So that Hypoxia, definitely kicks your butt.
That said, I went to see the Nuggets play. With a crazy crowd, the Pelicans at Denver was a 30pt blowout for the Pelicans. Lol, so the hypoxia wasnt good enough that night.
Can’t get much lower than New Orleans in altitude. AD did NOT seem tired at all and he totally ran that game & was a 1 man team, doing it all on both ends of the floor from start to finish despite a good performance by the Nuggets.
But in short, anyone not used to altitude will feel it. I talked to someone who moved out there from back East. He told me it took a couple months to get used to it.
I’ll tell you what’s unfair the army expecting you to run the same 2 mile time in South Korea
1:28 if you live in North America or Canada.
as a Canadian I feel sad
This video is exactly why You are the most unique NBA UA-cam. Love it!
Sidenote.. In football (socker ) Bolivia has the same or even greater advantage since its National Stadium is in LaPaz... 3637 meters.
Keep it up Marc.
The last summer Olympics at altitude was Mexico City in 1968. Track and other endurance athletes were at a disadvantage and times were slow. Mexico City's altitude is over 7,000 feet above sea level which is considerably higher than Denver's.
The city where I live is 2200 m above sea level, and a few years ago a semi-pro football Denver's team came to play a againts college team, here in Mexico, they were blowout, and it happen to be that one the player's had a youtube channel in which he said they lost because of the altitude, I found this ironic
It isnt an advanced in the NBA at least, since the nuggets have a grand total of 0 championships
Maybe because they don’t play home games every game in the postseason
They're a small market team so it's usually hard for them to build a team with 3 or 4 allstars
suchdoge whatever you say, you must have higher intelligence
@@cooldudeplanet5779 I mean he's right I'm from Denver too and the market for basketball is considerably smaller than other cities. Footballs another story though. If basketball was as popular as football in Denver the nuggets would kick ass.
Great video job well done. 1 thing to take note regarding the MLB @ Coors Field is the disadvantage elevation has on pitching as well. Breaking balls will break & curve less. Changeups & fastballs with lateral movement move less for the same reasons. This makes it easier to make contact regardless of home field advantage. The difference between Rockies pitchers and everyone else is that they're accustomed to that disadvantage at home which in turn becomes an advantage...especially up against NL East pitchers that probably only pitch there once a year. I've also heard from Rockies players that it takes a day to adjust playing at lower elevations b/c sliders/curveballs move much more and they go straight to the curveball machine to prepare.
This is really great research. Great job!
I'm in pretty good shape. I live in low Ohio. I went to medicine Mount in South Dakota and let me tell you. Walking up a hill kinda made my breath short
lmw 02 we visited my uncle in Colorado a few years back. This was when I was running like crazy for cross country in high school. I could just up and run 6 miles if I wanted back then. In Colorado I got to maybe 2 before I had to quit.
Doesn't matter - Cj Mccollum
Awesome and very original video. Good job man.
This makes a lot of sense to me. I work in extremely hot environments when repairing industrial aluminum melting furnaces that retain high heat for days after shutting down . Even when you are able to “suit up” with protective clothing that blocks much of the radiant heat you still have to deal with breathing the hot, thin air. You can not only train your body to work in the environment but you also learn to adjust your physical limits and learn to pace yourself and pay more attention to feeling when your muscles are lacking oxygen and know that if you don’t slow down that it will quickly lead to poor balance and bad decisions. I have seen many people in excellent physical condition (much better than me) that were not able to handle this type of work because they don’t understand and have never experienced trying to perform when oxygen was a limiting factor.
Who came here due to Denver vs Miami finals?
And yet the Avalanche still
lost to the Sharks in 7 game while last year in baseball the Rockes got swept by the Brewers in the NLDS
Almost like Denver teams are shit on the road.
@@waifubreaks1572 Almost like you don't have indisputable video evidence of landeskog being offsides... oh neither does Toronto.
My first week living in Utah I noticed the altitude when hiking or playing basketball, but I kind of got used to it after that
Interesting video. Cheers mate!
Fast forward in time, now the nuggets have won a ring
Does the same advantage exist for Utah, as SLC is around ~4100 feet in elevation?
watch the video he answer that 😑
The third highest is Calgary, home of the Flames which have the NHL biggest home advantage.
Good stuff bro!
Cool video man I live in Houston but my family lives in Colorado so it’s always a struggle working out when I get up there.
Explains why jokic is gasping for air in the 3rd
Good video...But...i don't feel as basketball is the not the most physically demanding sport. Hockey is way more physical.
It's about endurance. In hockey you'll get hit by other people way before you're run out of breath.
@@archiebellega956 idk about that one chief hockey players are hauling ass the whole game it doesn't look like it but they're fucking MOVING. Imagine if nba games were played at full sprint, the whole time. Hockey takes WAY more endurance.
You had me there for a minute. Im from colorado in a city that sits at 6,200ft. And the effects are real, but like homie said, your players coaches, game plan. That matters more than our thin air.
Nice Video you earned my subscription!
Well portland didn't buy this
I have to admit
Your immaculate beard makes you extremely handsome
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No homo
The fuck? What beard? There’s no beard there.. bum fluff maybe.
Niiice !
I always noticed the Broncos were tough to beat at Mile High
.. and, In the NFL a game or two, can make a 'big' difference
Great analysis, man
I take issue with you calling basketball the most aerobic sport. Despite the fact that they rest more often, hockey players, when they are on the ice, are going full speed for a minute, and then get a quick break. Hockey, in my opinion, requires far more endurance
Great content, even with your fuzzy face.
This is awesome content ! very underrated channel
Bruh your videos are fire
You also forgot Matt Prater broke Jason Elams field goal distance record. Which he happen to set in Denver lol.
Jason Elam also set his record in Denver. Same with Sebastian Janikowski.
I guess this is why the Nuggets, Rockies and Broncos win every year.
Oh, wait.....
Broncos used to be one of the most dominant teams in the NFL
Same with the Avs they were one of the best if not the best team for a decade
I live in Denver and it’s true, it’s very nice to play basketball out of the state because I very rarely get out of breath I can play entire games without sitting which is very nice
This aged heavenly