Hello, all! If you're rewatching this video in the future, you might notice it's shorter than it originally was, or if you're watching it just for the first time now, you may notice that there are a few cuts that seem a bit wonky. That's because three weeks after the video premiered, WBTV claimed a large portion of it, and I had no choice but to remove it. I plan to re-edit the interlude that I cut and include it in the Dabb era. For now, if you wish to watch it I'll provide a link to it on google drive. drive.google.com/file/d/1T0kkJ4-6GHAMC5OB-VA07U9L4lUaRwyN/view Sorry for all of this nonsense!
You mention the Aquaria star, and it always reminded me of the Seal of Orichalcos from Yu-Gi-Oh, which funnily enough, has Enochian written in the border
For me what I didnt like about the latter seasons was the loss of otherworldliness and power of the angels and demons. In the earliest seasons up through the apocalypse angels and demons were played as powerful and otherworldly beings that seemed truly Biblical. Later seasons really had the angels and demons seeming like regular people, especially after the fall.
I totally get what you mean. In season one demons are opening doors on mid air planes, and one was beating Sam so bad that Dean had no choice but to use a bullet from the colt. In the later seasons they regularly beat up the demons as if they were just regular people. I remember the Folsom prison blues episode when Dean fought that big dude "Tiny" and the guy didn't even flinch. But later on in the show they're rocking demons, angels, monsters and deities with their bare hands. The show lost all consistency with how powerful these supposedly otherworldly beings were. They all felt like average humans being ran through by Sam and Dean. It almost felt like over kill for them to use ruby's knife, angel blades or any weapon to kill them because it seemed like they were going to kill them with their bare hands.
@film fan I'm talking about before they kill everything.. they throw hands for a little bit. During that time they actually are rocking the demons, angels and monsters. Which makes no sense because this is supposed to be creatures with super strength and durability. If anything throwing a punch shouldn't even be an option, it'd be more realistic if they broke their hands trying to do it. Especially with angels. Which actually happened once when Dean punched Castiel in the face. But now they're doing that all the time in the later seasons with no repercussions
@film fan Go to :48 on that video and Dean fucks his hand up punching Castiel in the face. Then in every season after him and Sam are punching monsters without any drawbacks. That honestly should be the result of them trying to punch any creature in the show. They all are Stronger and more durable than humans. Almost every single one.
What confused me, was Dean stated his few months in Hell was the equivalent to 30 years. Yet, later series they were treating hell like a Walmart and go to and fro with zero time problems. Made that Dean 30 year thing irrelevant. Sad, cause it was a powerful thing back in the series golden days.
I just figured hell is different if you are a prisoner or a visitor. That being said season one the demons didn't even like Hell. That is why they really hated being exorcised. They couldn't just leave again easily.
@@Lilacgem-02 well yeah, Michael being locked in the cage with him gave him someone to let his frustration out on. He needed enrichment in his enclosure.
@@BrettonFergusondemon gates opened in the interim, and hells hierarchy has been trimmed, so there are probably corners where lesser demons can go by relatively unnoticed now that Armageddon failed
So, his 3 months being equal to 30 years means hell either moves 120× faster than earth which means running errands in hell would actually put earth on pause, OR part of Dean's torture was accelerating his sense of time so he would start the apocalypse
One big problem with Supernatural is that it kills off it's side characters too early. I get that we have to keep having people introduced, get invested in them, then they die in order to give the story stakes. But every time it feels like the character died mid arc, or even midway through the story SETTING UP an arc. I think i realized somewhere between the death of Kevin and his mom, both of whom had a lot of potential that was never reached. Same with Charlie, Meg (they play with demon redemption so many times it's weird that it never really happens), Bela, Jo, etc
Yep. Totally agree with that. The way those deaths were written is problematic too. It is kind of depressing to see how many of them were Buckleming episodes (aka witten by Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Leming). They were constantly dragging the show down.
I'll never forgive the majority of the female fans who drove the women off the show. Especially Jo, Ellen, and Bela. A lot of it had to do with the showrunners not knowing how to keep their characters around and a lot of it was female fans who hated seeing the boys with any woman (mostly Dean). They took to harrassing the actresses irl and were so nasty that they had to kill them off.
@@enexius67 agreed, but it was still up to the writers and higher ups to stand by their actors. The situation with the girl playing Annabeth in pjo shows the power behind defending an actor getting harassed. The fans shouldn't have attacked them, but kripke and the other showrunners over the years could have kept them around or gave them proper send offs and defended them publicly
@@bombseel I agree 100%. Times were different back then, which doesn't excuse it, but it always made sense as to why the show has been criticized for being "underlyingly sexist" in recent years.
I mean, in the case of Meg it was her actress that asked for the character to be killed off, as Rachel Miner's Multiple Sclerosis was progressing and she knew she wouldn't be able to continue playing her much longer anyway. She's wheelchair bound now.
Dylan Everett who played young dean in about a boy deserves a award. He adapted jensens exact mannerisms so well if they made a prequel with young sam and dean he should definitely star in it.
@@tianshi2006 Yeah expect for the Winchesters which is coming and that looks garbage. However in the long future if there ever was a prequel on something good like a streaming service instead of the garbage that is the CW it'd probably come out pretty well
Misha Collins was GENIUS as Lucifer!!!!! It really was a tie back to the beginning as Lucifer really WAS very dry. It was absolutely spot on Lucifers sense of humor!
Crowley is one if not the only reason why I kept watching Supernatural, he had so little to do by the end so I understand Mark not wanting to return, I don't think they asked either way
I always thought there was a whole lot of missed opportunity when it came to Benny. The way he talked about having a different perspective than most vampires, helping Dean escape from purgatory, then there's episodes where Benny and Dean kill vampires. I honestly thought Benny was going to eventually become a hunter. A hunter/vampire, basically the Supernatural version of Blade. That would've been awesome, but no. The writers just tossed him aside. Oh yeah, I actually like season 9. Those episodes that you think are bad, I think they're kinda funny. Especially the episode with the pornstar. Love how Dean is so unapologetically Dean, it's one of the reasons why he's my favorite character. Kinda reminds me of myself.
They dropped the ball so bad with Benny. He was a fresh character to the show with a unique style of personality. My wish was that they finally made Castiel bow out as the nuke on the shoulder of the Winchesters and that he would take Castiels place as the Supernatural being that gives a helping hand to the boys without giving them such an overpowered ally.
I always kind of felt they introduce Benny as a kind of substitute for the Dean-Cas relationship. He seems like the "Bear"-Gay sterotype. Just a tool to further the gaybating, they are doing through out the season with the Destiel ship.
Dean telling Sam to shut up when he was apologizing at Charlie’s funeral like he didn’t get Kevin killed and he tricked Sam into letting an angel possess him
Thank you!!! Dean is never held accountable for all the crap he does while Sam gets hate no matter what he does or even doesn't do. But Dean stans will say it was the mark talking cause again Dean never does anything wrong
Everything after season 10 turned Supernatural into a joke, imo. 6- 10 had problems but were still watchable. If you all like it that's great but I think the show turned into a parody of itself even though it still had potential to be as serious as 1-5.
I really dug the Season 10 episode "Fan Fiction" with the school play built around Sam and Dean's "literary adventures" and its hard not to get choked up at the end when the kids are singing "Carry on Wayward Son".
One of my favorite episodes. The fact they didn't go after Adam both horrified me... and left me laughing. My wife and I quote that episode all of the time.
He had a stroke in 2017 and played cain last in 2015. How would that have effected his arc in any way? Dean killed him in season 10 years before his stroke.
@FlyingMonkies325 Demon traps work on any demon, even princes, knights and lilith, the only difference is that they are not at full power while inside the traps, but they could use their telekinesys and eventually scratch the painting, getting themselves free ... least that's my take on them Regarding cain, if it's stated that he escaped, then ok, i agree with you, other than that is just fan fiction ... Either way, good catch or good theory
The change in visuals was one of the biggest things that ticked me off about the later seasons of show. Still loved the show, but damn made such a big difference!
Not the guy with 1300 Subscribers putting more work into a video than people with millions of subscribers. I'm loving your work man, I just hope your channel growth is matching your effort. Hoping you hit a million subscribers within the next year.
I personally think that Season 8 and 11 are absolutely awesome. Nothing tops Season 1-5 but Season 11 plus 8 are very close. Seasons 9 and 10 are also solid. Season 8: 8/10 Season 9: 7/10 Season 10: 6.5/10 Season 11: 8/10
It always bothered me that seasons 6-11 weren’t as tightly written as the first five. I loved the over-arching storyline of seasons 1-5; it’s one of the reasons I really got into the show in the first place. And you’re right about there being a huge drop in quality for character writing in these seasons. It’s such a shame because they have a cast of genuinely talented actors. I’m relieved it’s not just me who didn’t really care for this era.
I absolutely love henry Winchester I definitely would love a show that centered around him I much prefer him over samuel Campbell with henry you can tell he cared about sam and dean
A story with Henry would have pick my interest more than the ne "The Winchesters" with John and Mary, I'm scare to watch it and see if the end up screwing the original canon lore....
@@sofialu226 Yeah, when I heard about that prequel series, I lamented that it wasn't a story about Henry Winchester in his earlier days. I even came up with a potential story line that borrows a bit from the original show to keep the themes of brotherhood and family going. My idea was that Henry's father and mother had two kids with Henry being the older brother, and they split sometime around Henry's eighth birthday. The reason for this split would've been that Henry's father never told his mother about the Men of Letters, and she didn't find out about it until after Henry already started the earliest stages of his training. She didn't want her children to be raised in that kind of life, but Henry's father was insistent, so she took the younger child and left him, leaving Henry behind because he was already involved and she saw that as something that could corrupt the younger child. Flash forward a little over a decade, and the younger sibling tracks down Henry to ask for his help, because something had killed their mother in a effort to get info on the MoL, which resulted in the younger sibling swearing revenge and becoming a Hunter. Henry would be reluctant, partly because of the MoL attitude towards hunters, and partly because he doesn't feel any obligation towards the mother that abandoned him. But he ultimately agrees after remembering that he did have some good memories of her, and that his younger sibling would likely get themselves killed because they would do this alone if they had to. This leads to them trying to track down this thing all over the country, trying to repair their relationship, while butting heads due to their differnt backgrounds, attitudes towards monsters, and just generally being very different people.
@@angelaholmes8888 Umm, sorry, no, it’s horrible. It’s another CW teen drama with supernatural elements that happens to be set in the 70’s of the Supernatural universe and that’s about it. The writing is poor and the characters are boring and the core idea doesn’t work because the actors playing John and Mary have barely any chemistry and we have yet to see any indication as to why they would fall for each other. They just do because it’s necessary for Dean and Sam to exist. If you or others enjoy it, then great but it doesn’t make the show actually good and it seems like a lot of people who enjoy it just say that it’s good or great without any reason why other than seemingly just that it offers more Supernatural content.
season 11 is one of my favorites. excellent acting, drama, story, and arc. to me i think its a pretty underrated season and it needs more love. but then s12 kinda ruins everything imo.
i just think that s12 basically just ruined all the potential that the end of s11 had for the show. so, when they brought back Mary, it was exciting to know that she was finally gonna be a part of the boys’ lives over 30 years later. then of course the writers had to screw it all up by having Mary work with and trust the BMOL over her two sons, while also knowing they didn’t work well together and in the process nearly killed Sam & Dean. towards the end of s12 she did realize her error but she still kinda remained a useless character because the majority of s13 she’s trapped in the alternate universe, and even in s14 they didn’t really do that much with her other than the family reunion we got in the 300th episode. that’s just my personal intake on it, but yea, i had to vent about it lmao….. in the end it ended up being one the worst decisions the writers made imo
Great video man! Tons of hard work was put into this and it pays off. Thank you again for featuring my video about Kim. I'm glad you got where I was coming from in terms of how Supernatural would visually portray itself after the first 7 seasons. Also I laughed out loud at the "disagree with his later seasons" comments. Brings me back to the days of 12 when I felt like I was the only one seeing the cracks in the wall. It's all good though. That's the point of all of this. We can have different opinions but we can still discuss it in a civil manner ☺️ thank you again for featuring me in this epic video!
Thank you so much! And yeah, even when I didn't agree with your reviews, the critiques you brought up still made 100% sense and your reviews added a lot to my enjoyment! Very well thought out and said!
@@JayTheZoomster I meant to respond to this, but I was still in London at the time. When I finished this video, I wondered if you would be up for doing a collab discussion, about Supernatural in general, the good, the bad, the difference of opinions we have about the later seasons. I did a few collab videos with Jade awhile back and I've been wanting to do another video of similar style since. Let me know if it's something you would be interested in. *It might help motivate me through the bore that is Season 7 right now 😂*
I do have to wonder if Jared Padalecki (Sam Winchester’s) mental health had to do with him being less utilized as a character. For those who don’t know, Jared suffered a lot with depression during the run of the show to a life threatening degree. With the help of his castmates and wife (rubys actress) he was able to get help when he had a breakdown during the shows hiatus convention season, and his mental health seems to have improved a lot. Would more arcs have focused on him if he hadn’t had those struggles? 🤔
I love the whole purgatory theme and Dean and Cas ending up there was awesome. It would've been cooler if they had actually episodes that showed their stay there instead of those short flashbacks from Dean that we got. What I do love is the relationship between Dean and Benny, that was a fresh spin on the show. On another note, Crowley implied that the levians were still on Earth when he's talking to Sam and takes Kevin but we literally never see or hear about levians ever again after Dick is killed..
honestly I hated how they handled lucifer and chuck in season 11 they're supposed to be a mirror of sam and john in season 1 but instead they made it a cringe angsty teenager joke
I still remember *screaming* at my tv when the finale of Season 8 happened. I was not a fan of S6 & S7 and thought that S8 was a perfect time to end the show post-Kripke. With Sam sacrificing himself for the greater good, Castiel using the Angel tablet to actually seal the angels in Heaven (not cast them out like it happened), and have Dean left with a newly humanized Crowley would have left the show on a pretty good note. Hell, if they wanted to continue afterwards, it could have been a MotW season with Dean & Crowley as the duo. But then we got S9/10 which are so so so bad, and then S11 is amazing and AGAIN they could have ended there. But nope, had to drain the dead horse of all the blood for 12/13/14/15.
Now that the series is over, I always wondered WHY there was never a later episode that showed a flash back to when dean was rescued from hell. It could have been one hell of a scene and answered some questions as to what really happened instead of just going off of Castiel saying "I'm the one who gripped you tight and raised you from perdition". A scene actually showing Castiel pull dean from hell would have been, could been one of the coolest/ cinematic/ and profound scenes in the whole series. I can totally imagine it: Episode starts with Castiel commanding and giving instruction to an army of angels in heaven right before they decend down to earth and then into hell, laying seige and smiting all demons who stand in their way. With no actual context we're wondering "wait, what's going on here?" Then amidst the chaos of battle one of Castiel's soldiers urgently runs up to him saying "Sir, we found him! We found Dean Winchester!" It's here that we as the viewer start to realize that this is when Dean was rescued from hell, they just waited a few seasons to show us. Castiel proceeds to make his way to Dean, being led by a small platoon of his angel soldiers, swinging their swords and smiting demons who are trying to stop them. Finally, he arrives to where Dean is being held captive when he's not torturing souls. Dean, confused and frightened at all the ruckus and moreso now that Castiel, with utter fire in his eyes is walking towards him with a serious and intentive demeanor. Dean can't believe what he's witnessing and has no idea what to make of it. Before anymore time is wasted Castiel grabs Dean by his shoulder and with one mighty flap of his wings flys up and out of hell, carrying Dean back to earth. This, THIS is what happens right before Dean wokes up in that pine box. These are the events that led to Dean coming back from hell. Supernatural writers, you can have that one. Just make it happen.
Honestly, I’d rather not see it. It does sound like an awesome scene, but nothing on screen could ever do it full justice. I’d rather keep it in the real of imagination; the mystery lends the angels that much more power. Sometimes, less is more.
@@JayTheZoomster His era is a bunch of continuity errors and retcons to the series canon. And making God evil was stupid. I can't wait to hear your controversial take.
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 Exactly, nothing but continuity errors and retcon after retcon, even from one episode to the next. No continuity whatsoever under Dabb, and a lot of shoehorned political garbage to pander to part of the audience and alienate the other half. Highly disrespectful to the fanbase and just all around unprofessional and bad writing in general
The Amara season was a brief restoration of my faith in the series. Everything felt so good about it, well built up with a worthy threat. Unfortunately the seasons surrounding it were not as good to me
I really like your analysis of those seasons, and it is also really useful to remember what was going on with each season ! And I wanted to stress that several of the worst episodes you named were written by the same duo (Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Leming). Not all "bad" episodes of course, but created several which are plagued with out-of-character behaviour, offensive themes, and unecessary and rushed character deaths for no reason at all. One of the mistakes made by the showrunners, to me, was to keep hiring them - as they clearly dragged down the whole storyline...
I loved Supernatural from when the pilot first aired but man, I just always keep finding myself coming back to seasons 1-5. The Kripke era really was the peak for me.
Season 11 I keep trying to tell people is easily the 2nd best of the series next to 5. I love fantasy level high stakes and clever big finales. Also season 11 is the first ever season of Supernatural where Sam and Dean don't have some big secret they're keeping from eachother, taking away their biggest weakness.
I loved Demon Dean sooo much, the whole conflict with his loved ones and in himself as well should have been explored much deeper, in my opinion. It might have come from left field, but would have been really interesting to see, how he slowly finds his way back to his human side, maybe explore interactions with other demons and creatures, and this changed dinamic between the brothers.
Supernatural was a pretty formative part of my childhood, and I really enjoyed your videos on the series! Made me want to rewatch at least the first five seasons. I only made it through season 10 (and I honestly don’t think I finished it, or if I did, it didn’t stick), so it’s interesting hearing what happened and how the show was after I stopped watching. Im looking forward to your video on the last part of the series! All I know about those last few seasons comes from people making fun of the finale on Twitter.
Kevin and Charlie’s deaths honestly felt completely out of nowhere to me. Especially Charlie’s. She wanted space from Rowena’s nagging so she could focus on decoding the codex so Cass takes Rowena to a nearby room and then she just..leaves? Like, she would’ve been fine and safer figuring out the codex from where she was now but she instead chooses to leave without telling anyone and go to some random motel and the styne family just happen to find her and kill her?? I wasn’t even sad but just frustrated because it felt completely unnecessary.
The British Men of Letters was one of the worst additions to the show. They were horribly inconsistent, beginning being overpowered( one single member takes on Dean, someone that fought his way through Purgatory for almost a year, and Castiel, an angel single handedly) and then became hopeless morons later. They were annoyingly full of themselves and never seemed like real people.
I think I agree with you about Season 8, especially the Naomi-hacking-angels-thing. As a Stargate SG1 fan, every time Naomi appeared, I spent more time being glad that Amanda Tapping was on SPN, than I did actually caring about the character she was pretending to be. At least her acting ability made the character tolerable!
For me after season 5 till season 11 was something like this 1 - Opening : Wow this seasons gonna be dope 2 - Pre mid season finale : some random staff 3 - Mid season finale and opening : well now shit is going to be dope/yeah we gonna love the rest show 4 - Between mid season finale and the final eisodes : why why do i hope 5 - The last 2-4 episodes : well the next season gonnaa blow our minds 6 - Next season : Go to 1
Don't call me Shirley is ligitamently the best episode of Supernatural. The writing is great, the acting is perfect and the concept is one of the most interesting things the show ever did. This episode is why I HATE season 15. They character assisnated one of the most interesting characters of the show for "lols let's make God the last villain."
An episode that I really liked that I felt really stands out in season 9 was episode 7. The one with the boys home that dean spent time at. That one always hits me in the feels
I totally agree with you about the cinematography in the show's later seasons and im actually a subscriber of Jeremy's channel👍 I really wanted demon dean to last longer Jensen did a good job it definitely would had been interesting if cain had been the big bad of season 10 🤔
Yeah pretty bang on with Season 8. When I was starting it, I was fairly bored by it, but the second half surprised me big time, with being some of the best since Season 5
As much as I can relate with your reviews, they seem far too race-focused. I highly doubt the "non-white characters" are treated badly or any less. It's in the writing and not by the color of their skin. The idea of this is pretty silly in my opinion. Other than that, I love your videos! This semi-brilliant series really needed a good well edited retrospective. You delivered that to us. Thank you! EDIT: Thank you for the rant on the visuals, nobody ever talked about this. Hated them.
I always felt like the bad episodes were meant to be kinda a funny break episode from all the darker more intense hopeless feeling episodes to be honest
There is a good way to do those episodes. They are called Breather Episodes which are meant to give the audience a break from the angst drama. Hell House in season 1, Tall Tales from season 2, Ghostfacers in season 3, Monster Movie in season 4, The Curious Case Of Dean Winchester in season 5, even Clap If You Believe from season six were examples of breather episodes. And, of course, Baby from season 11. THOSE were written and performed well. Just because they are breather episodes does NOT mean they can't be done well.
To call it the dark age in an artistically negative point of view. Well that’s just your opinion from your own perspective. I’m currently finishing up my 2nd binge marathon watch of the show now and I still don’t have any ill feelings towards the show, I still enjoy it and I feel perfectly content on the trajectory narrative the show takes even up to the series finale. It’s a brilliant show and one of the best TV series to ever been created and given to us during our lifetime. I will be a Supernatural fan until I draw my last breath.
I found Claire and early Rowena to be the most annoying characters in this show. Rowena at least had a decent arc whereas Claire kept ending an episode learning her lesson then to go and act the same exact entitled way the next time you see her
WAIT I GOT IT! seasons 8-11 are jeremy carver taking a shot at the cw! "You liked my work on past seasons and want something similar? Okay guys, we're reshooting seasons 3-5! Chucks gone, but you have his writer... no... SCRIBE"
Its so nice to get a real and honest review of the show and the characters. I'm so sick of the Dean girls who hate on Sam and think he is the perfect hard done by brother. Also no shipping crap.
I’m a photographer and I’m currently binge watching supernatural already on season 5. That coloring and use of shadows to look more dreary and gory was the first thing I noticed. For some reason all of Hollywood is shooting with this same style. Nonetheless I hadn’t watched an episode of supernatural since cass burst out in the lake.
There are moments of greatness in late-era Supernatural. I usually just recommend the first five seasons but I also tell people to watch The French Mistake and Fan Fiction. Those are my two favorite episodes even if I didn't like the show anymore at that point. I also think the Chuck reveal is the best scene in Supernatural history. Also, I have had a crush on Katie Sarife since the episode aired. I don't think I had ever realized that a beret could look that good on a woman. I have never seen her in anything else but I've never forgotten her
Season 10 - Loved the Cain storyline and wish they would have expanded it, just as I would have liked to see more of Purgatory in Season 8. I have to go back to Season 8 because that was the worst season for me - Sam's storyline about why he didn't find or save Dean could have gone in SO many infinitely better directions. How many monsters and angels want revenge? I'm sure his capture and torture would have made a better story arc for Dean to come home to. Working with Benny on the mystery of finding and rescuing Sam, and then seeing a lean, Dean fighting machine fresh from his upleveling in Purgatory would have been way better than the garbage they gave us. Even soap opera levels of plotlines like Samnesia, comas, or incarceration for criminally insane would have been preferable as to the reason why he didn't look for and find Dean. UG - I'm never getting over that season.
I think Ben Edlund (creator of the tick and also worked on venture bros) leaving after season 8 was a real death blow to the shows creativity and sense of humor. If you look at the episodes he wrote, they're some of my personal favorites for their humor and self contained nature. Night Shifter, Hollywood Babylon, the French Mistake, and Monster Movie are my favorite ones he wrote.
Generally good retrospective, but complaining about nonwhite people dying in a show in which EVERYONE, including main characters, dies is pretty silly and gives me the cringe.
these seasons were the dark era for sure but it was also weird because the episodic one off episodes were always really fun. it was really the season storylines that were bland. although Demon Dean is a fan favourite for sure
For me watching season 1-5 was enjoyable and loved it. everything afterwards just felt like a chore to watch. forcing myself to watch it to see where it went and see how it ended, but ultimately it just felt repetitive and not enjoyable
Ad season 9: I beg to differ. For me the most interesting plotline of that season was the mark of Cain. The problem was they did nothing with it. Dean being a demon should have been the main issue of season 10, and they turned him back into a human after what? 3 episodes? If season 10 made demon Dean the main villain, forcing Sam, Castiel and Crowley to make the most difficult choice in order to save what they care about, that plot would have been interesting. But they were spooked by making the main character go bad, because then the show might have been interesting again, and who needs that in seasons 10 and onward?
exactly and i heard its all because of the fanfiction episode likewhat such a good plot wasted for 1 FOR ONE good episode like really ???? i loved demon dean too too bad his character never lasted longer than 3 eps soulless sam got half a season so why not demon dean?
Season 8 started weak to me but was a step up from seasons 6 and 7 I really enjoyed the character benny and the friendship with dean I totally agree with you about the man's best friend episode
12 By itself is the worst season of anything I had to watch. 13 stopped trying to recreate the SPN fórmula and started going into this more action approach with a bunch of Magic mambo jump. 14/15 felt like a CW super hero/Doctor Who/Buffy the vampire slayer type of TV show
Can’t believe you went through the whole video without mentioning Gadreal, who in my opinion has an awesome character arc. I agree with your sentiments here, Especially with Sam. Though strangely I found him more compelling in this side, where he try’s to redeem himself and later Dean. I do agree with the fact that they shouldn’t have killed Kevin and Charlie, but that is the supernatural way, kill the side characters first then one of the brothers. I liked Amara, and I feel like they should of set up season 11 to be an ending to the previous 5 seasons, since I agree the British men of letters set up detached away from the main plot. I liked Amara a lot, though it feels unfair that Donotello, Metatron, and everyone who was killed by Amara are left dead or souless. She’s as powerful as Chuck, and can’t return them?
@@noahmagana137 Dabb's era is indeed trash, there were a few episodes here and there that were decent, but for the most part after 11, the show was hot garbage. Just more low budget CW pandering woke nonsense.
one of the reasons supernatural looked different after season 5 was the switch from film cameras to digital. that i think was out of the showrunners' control. on the other hand, they could have easily kept up the color grading, lighting, set design, and cinematography that was so intentional and great in the earlier seasons. but to make some lemonade, the later seasons having them stiffly jump around like barbie dolls on a blank set under bright studio lights has entertaining, if not entirely redeeming, metanatural implications.
One other issue with Bloodlines is it takes place in Chicago, which is the same setting of The Dresden Files. Now, Dresden Files is a book series about a Wizard Private Investigator, trying to save people, do his job, and dealing with Monsters, Vampires, Fallen Angels, Fairy Queens, and regular old Gangsters. It's a great series, and has a lot of action and humor, any fan of Supernatural would probably enjoy it. But I can't imagine that the writers of the show had never heard of Dresden Files, and it makes everything in Bloodlines at best a pale imitation, and at worst blatant plagiarism.
Season 11 was definitely one of the best seasons I really enjoyed the darkness amara she was a great villain she's one of my favorite female characters in the show I also enjoyed misha collins as Lucifer he definitely pulled off the role way better than rick Springfield love the baby episode and just my imagination
real,cassifer was goofy but hey at least hes enjoyable. he played it really well loved season 11 as well such a biiiiiig plot advancement very interesting
I was watching this show as it aired and 9 was where I had started missing episodes and not care as much. 10 is where I dropped out completely. Been watching this series to see if I should rewatch the show. I think I’m going to give it another go.
i really enjoy these introspective videos you’ve been doing for this show. it’s my favorite show too actually so it’s nice to go back. i’m disappointed you didn’t put as much research as i hoped into the seasons though
Dean was such an efficient killer with the mark of Cain, he wiped out the whole Stein bloodline. In one night. In one house.. when, “we’ve got family all over the world”. Huh
@ 5:40 In my opinion it’s not that carver doesn’t know how to right Sam, however it’s just that this is where Sammy is at currently, one of the signs of good righting is when someone is able to right a character that doesn’t only change for the better but sometimes makes changes for the worst, and with that said we see Sammy get back to feeling essentially the same way he did 8-9 years earlier before he lost Jess and had to drop out of law school, because and “let me try this again Dads on a hunting trip, and he hasn’t been back in a few days” Sam knew what Dean meant way back then, and knew the best thing to do was not to get involved, that it was the best way to be there to protect Jess, and focus on there future together. It’s only after Dean re emphasized his concerned that Sam decided to go with him. Which only proved to reinforce his decision to trust his instincts eight years later, do to what happened to Jess
IT makes sense that sam is no longer trying to see the good in monsters. Look at how many times that bit him. He's getting tired of putting his family before the good of the world. That's why he didn't try to get dean out of purgatory. I feel like you're missing a few things.
As someone who haven't watched Supernatural (only knowing slightly about its setting and lore), but having watched Buffy and Charmed previously, I see a repeated pattern. Buffy had 7 seasons. The first five felt like a conslusion with her dying for a 2nd time. Bringing her back set up the meta-commentary we will see in the latter seasons of Supernatural. And while some seasons vary in being fantastic or simply just good, it felt like the threat made a slight increase each season (with the exception of the 6th meta-season), where they were literally fighting the concept of Evil, and it ended there. I know there are continuations (Angel for starters should have had another season), but Buffy ended where it was needed. Charmed I think, made a similar progress up until they face off against the Source, and later on, Cole as the Source. After beating him and the emotional bagage it left us, it was hard to continue on from there. Sure they kinda found their footing again with the Hogwarts-inspired school, but the last season surely outstayed its welcome!
Season 8 - Sam's out of character writing was a travesty in this season. "Lazy writing to create friction between the brothers" = SAD TRUTH. The whole Amelia plot line was horrible; in addition to being out of character for Sam (choosing her over Dean 🙄🤔😤), they had NO chemistry compared to watching Sam with characters like Sarah Blake in season 1, Madison in season 2 and Ruby in season 4.
I love your videos and your channel sm! I really hope you continue to grow & get more subs & views bc you truly deserve it. Your take on video essays is super unique
Jeremy Carver had a "3 year plan" because his plan was to rewrite seasons 3, 4, and 5. Starting with Dean being resurrected, ending with the ultimate evil being unleashed.
I never noticed how much the show's look changed. But that's a fantastic point. Now that I know, I can't ignore it. And it certainly helps my opinion that why the show kinda went downhill was that it lost its nitty-gritty "horror" feel.
Cole made no sense because the actors ages weren’t far enough apart to make it make sense that Dean killed his father. Would have been more interesting to bring Amy Pond’s son back for revenge. Not to mention the actor that played Cole was HUGELY problematic in the fandom - like, the actor was a psycho - which was part of why the character never was brought back.
😬...you lost me after saying season 9 was not even that good buahahaha. We all have our own opinions but very little was boring about this season. Also, we get to see how Deans whole persona changes, showing Jensen Ackles wide acting range. We get "The Mark"...and one of the most intense endings that leads to Demon Dean👍👍🕴️
S8: I hated how out of character Sam was and how quickly Dean returned. I think it would have been better if there were several episodes with Sam actively searching for Dean while checking on Kevin (who also would help search for Dean in his own way) even while Sam was dating Amelia, again balancing the Family and Hunter life (I love seeing this type of storyline, ok), juxtaposed with Dean's life in purgatory. Then after a few episodes Amelia learning of her Military boyfriend being alive and her and Sam going through that together (with Sam leaving Amelia so she can be happy) and Sam losing hope at ever finding Dean while struggling with his memories of Amelia then an episode of Sam trying to live without Amelia and Dean and diving into hunting, then bringing Dean's return back. That would have added so much more bulk to that storyline while introducing the closing the gates of hell storyline with Sam checking on Kevin. Also, I was disappointed that they killed off Meg. I actually liked her character (I personally liked Rachel's version of Meg (S5, S6, S7, S8) more than Nicki's version of Meg (S1, S2, S4), just my opinion.) I wanted to see more of the Megstiel relationship and how a Demon/Angel relationship would work haha. (I read the Fanfiction "In The Lethe" by Tea and Chess to fill this void, but still). S9: Wasn't a fan of this season itself either. I didn't like Metatron, I found him to be an annoying villain. But Curtis Armstrong's acting was really funny and good. I think this season would have been more compelling if they concentrated more on the Angels trying to figure out life on Earth rather than automatically going into a civil war. Introducing some specific named Angels and how they handle this new life in a variety of ways: good, bad, neutral, wanting to go back to heaven or wanting to stay on Earth, etc. And bring Sam, Dean and Cas into this by trying to track down these angels and see how this fall from Heaven affected them and trying to help them. The factions idea could have been brought in later on based on how these named angels handled this new life on Earth. There could be moments where they disagreed on the other factions' views and maybe some angels being killed in the process all sides trying to convince the other that they are better. So, Sam, Dean, and Cas could be all trying to figure out how to reopen heaven while also trying to deal with Crowley, Abaddon, Gadreel, and Metatron causing their own chaos. I'd also think it would have been a better plot for the Faction Angels Aligning with Sam, Dean, Cas, Metatron, Gadreel etc. The episode "Bloodlines" was too much info in one episode, it would have been more interesting if they spread this out over several episodes. My favorite episode of S9 was "Dog Dean Afternoon" XD
S10: Although I found Demon Dean to be pretty funny, I'm glad it only lasted a few episodes. I love Rowena as a character. I would have loved to see more of Cain as a villain before Dean actually killed him. I wanted to see more of Castiel and Claire. The conflict of Claire dealing with knowing Castiel in her father's body, but also wanting to reconnect with her family after years of being on her own. Along with her just being a teenager. Castiel trying to get Claire on a better path, due to his promise of taking care of Jimmy's wife and daughter. It would have been a really interesting plotline. In combination with the whole Claire and Randy thing. I also loved the episode where Dean and Claire interacted it was pretty good. I wish they could have done more with Castiel in this season. He is an awesome and they could of used him more with his Seraph powers rather than pushing him on the back burner. I HATED the Stein family! Their concept was pretty interesting. But then they killed Charlie...Yeah. Charlie was my favorite character she reminded me alot of myself (well not so much about the red hair and being a master computer hacker. More of her personality and her hobbies and interests). I think they should have had death mention The Mark of Cain holding in The Darkness much earlier and then talking about the Darkness and what she would do once released and why she was locked up in the first place. That could have added more to Dean, who's always wanting to save everyone, being in conflict about releasing The Darkness with the information that Death gave him. My Favorite episodes of S10 were "About a Boy" (Dylan Everest did such an amazing job taking on Dean's personality and quirks.) and "Fan Fiction" (it was just Awesome ok!) S11: Misha did an awesome job when Cas was possessed by Lucifer. Misha is such an amazing actor. I liked the character of Amara/The Darkness. And this plot with the Darkness was done really well. My favorite episode of S11 was "Safe House" just showing Sam and Dean taking on a case that Bobby and Rufus did years ago was creatively done! and it was great seeing Bobby and Rufus back again.
Meg was great. Both actors did the character justice, but I tend to agree with your take. That exorcism scene in S1 E22 with the first actor, that was the episode that really hooked me on the show. S2 is my favourite.
I really didn't like how later seasons of the show would have most monster of the week creatures to be a ghost. With all the demons and angels, ghosts seems too close to home to feel like a disconnect from the main story. Season 1-3 have the best monster of the weeks
I actually really enjoy this era. It definitely has some speed bumps (especially Sam being out of character for half of season 8, even if I do believe it just gets better and better as it goes along), but when it's working, it's really great, and I really enjoyed all of the additions to the lore, especially the Men of Letters. The finale for season 11 felt like such a natural end point. I didn't like where it went at all from there and eventually just fell off. Having heard a lot of the things they did in the remaining 3 or so seasons I didn't watch, I'm starting to think I'm glad that I stopper when I did, because it really feels like they jumped the shark. Kinda hard to top the literal manifestation of primordial darkness... (also why did they have to make Chuck/God a legit bad guy? It messes with eo much about the show and especially the implications of the golden era. I hate it so much.)
the natural end to Supernatural was when Sam got locked in Hell and Dean got out of Hunting it was the natural end to it. Also the actor who plays Metatron played the character of Booger in the Revenge of the Nerds movies so him playing a villain didn't really work for me because I've seen him in those movies
48:16 I agree that Lucifer has always been “easygoing” and funny. I also find it cool that he only really tried to be serious and menacing when he was in his true vessel, Sam.
My biggest complain with the show is that if Lucifer was banished for believing angels were superior to humans, then why do nearly all angels share the same mindset? I feel like even as antagonists, they should at least believe that they are doing what is right for humanity.
Hello, all! If you're rewatching this video in the future, you might notice it's shorter than it originally was, or if you're watching it just for the first time now, you may notice that there are a few cuts that seem a bit wonky. That's because three weeks after the video premiered, WBTV claimed a large portion of it, and I had no choice but to remove it. I plan to re-edit the interlude that I cut and include it in the Dabb era. For now, if you wish to watch it I'll provide a link to it on google drive.
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Sorry for all of this nonsense!
Would you ever do a video on your top favorite male or female characters in the show 🤔
For season nine my favorite episode when the bad boys episode 7
You mention the Aquaria star, and it always reminded me of the Seal of Orichalcos from Yu-Gi-Oh, which funnily enough, has Enochian written in the border
Why not upload on odysee or other streaming sites?
Are you gonna finish the series?
For me what I didnt like about the latter seasons was the loss of otherworldliness and power of the angels and demons. In the earliest seasons up through the apocalypse angels and demons were played as powerful and otherworldly beings that seemed truly Biblical. Later seasons really had the angels and demons seeming like regular people, especially after the fall.
I totally get what you mean. In season one demons are opening doors on mid air planes, and one was beating Sam so bad that Dean had no choice but to use a bullet from the colt. In the later seasons they regularly beat up the demons as if they were just regular people. I remember the Folsom prison blues episode when Dean fought that big dude "Tiny" and the guy didn't even flinch. But later on in the show they're rocking demons, angels, monsters and deities with their bare hands. The show lost all consistency with how powerful these supposedly otherworldly beings were. They all felt like average humans being ran through by Sam and Dean. It almost felt like over kill for them to use ruby's knife, angel blades or any weapon to kill them because it seemed like they were going to kill them with their bare hands.
@@mazokuwarrior sam and dean grinded way too much exp and got overleveled
@film fan I'm talking about before they kill everything.. they throw hands for a little bit. During that time they actually are rocking the demons, angels and monsters. Which makes no sense because this is supposed to be creatures with super strength and durability. If anything throwing a punch shouldn't even be an option, it'd be more realistic if they broke their hands trying to do it. Especially with angels. Which actually happened once when Dean punched Castiel in the face. But now they're doing that all the time in the later seasons with no repercussions
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@film fan Go to :48 on that video and Dean fucks his hand up punching Castiel in the face. Then in every season after him and Sam are punching monsters without any drawbacks.
That honestly should be the result of them trying to punch any creature in the show. They all are Stronger and more durable than humans. Almost every single one.
Dean’s Jawline and Sam’s hair saved this whole era.
Preach!!
You're sounding like the book fandom. Probably a Becky. You're a Becky.
@@cjheadbird3476 I actually really enjoyed watching Becky lmao. Don’t like the magical roofie bit but other than that she was a whole mood
This also what destroyed the show lol, keeping the women and geys entertained.
@@devilface97 what do you mean?
What confused me, was Dean stated his few months in Hell was the equivalent to 30 years. Yet, later series they were treating hell like a Walmart and go to and fro with zero time problems. Made that Dean 30 year thing irrelevant. Sad, cause it was a powerful thing back in the series golden days.
There were inconsistencies because of the change of writers.
Lucifer felt like a different character before season 5 and after season 5.
I just figured hell is different if you are a prisoner or a visitor. That being said season one the demons didn't even like Hell. That is why they really hated being exorcised. They couldn't just leave again easily.
@@Lilacgem-02 well yeah, Michael being locked in the cage with him gave him someone to let his frustration out on. He needed enrichment in his enclosure.
@@BrettonFergusondemon gates opened in the interim, and hells hierarchy has been trimmed, so there are probably corners where lesser demons can go by relatively unnoticed now that Armageddon failed
So, his 3 months being equal to 30 years means hell either moves 120× faster than earth which means running errands in hell would actually put earth on pause, OR part of Dean's torture was accelerating his sense of time so he would start the apocalypse
One big problem with Supernatural is that it kills off it's side characters too early. I get that we have to keep having people introduced, get invested in them, then they die in order to give the story stakes. But every time it feels like the character died mid arc, or even midway through the story SETTING UP an arc. I think i realized somewhere between the death of Kevin and his mom, both of whom had a lot of potential that was never reached. Same with Charlie, Meg (they play with demon redemption so many times it's weird that it never really happens), Bela, Jo, etc
Yep. Totally agree with that. The way those deaths were written is problematic too. It is kind of depressing to see how many of them were Buckleming episodes (aka witten by Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Leming). They were constantly dragging the show down.
I'll never forgive the majority of the female fans who drove the women off the show. Especially Jo, Ellen, and Bela. A lot of it had to do with the showrunners not knowing how to keep their characters around and a lot of it was female fans who hated seeing the boys with any woman (mostly Dean). They took to harrassing the actresses irl and were so nasty that they had to kill them off.
@@enexius67 agreed, but it was still up to the writers and higher ups to stand by their actors. The situation with the girl playing Annabeth in pjo shows the power behind defending an actor getting harassed. The fans shouldn't have attacked them, but kripke and the other showrunners over the years could have kept them around or gave them proper send offs and defended them publicly
@@bombseel I agree 100%. Times were different back then, which doesn't excuse it, but it always made sense as to why the show has been criticized for being "underlyingly sexist" in recent years.
I mean, in the case of Meg it was her actress that asked for the character to be killed off, as Rachel Miner's Multiple Sclerosis was progressing and she knew she wouldn't be able to continue playing her much longer anyway. She's wheelchair bound now.
Dylan Everett who played young dean in about a boy deserves a award. He adapted jensens exact mannerisms so well if they made a prequel with young sam and dean he should definitely star in it.
Won't be a prequel
They tried with that stupid Chicago spin off and wayward sisters
@@tianshi2006 Yeah expect for the Winchesters which is coming and that looks garbage. However in the long future if there ever was a prequel on something good like a streaming service instead of the garbage that is the CW it'd probably come out pretty well
for real! looking at dylan portray ackles was an exact resemblance and you could just see ackles older self in him😅 if that makes sense😂
Chad Everett played old Dean (loved it) No relation.
Facts!
Misha Collins was GENIUS as Lucifer!!!!! It really was a tie back to the beginning as Lucifer really WAS very dry. It was absolutely spot on Lucifers sense of humor!
Crowley breaking as he slowly becomes human is still in my top 3 Supernatural moments.
"I DESERVE TO BE LOVED! I just wanna be loved.." 😭
This scene is great
Spike getting his soul restored - Buffy did it better.
Crowley is one if not the only reason why I kept watching Supernatural, he had so little to do by the end so I understand Mark not wanting to return, I don't think they asked either way
The actor wanted to continue but they ended the contract. He talked about it on a podcast.
Ya Crowley was a necessary character doing away with him was so meh and the way they did it was just mind boggling
I always thought there was a whole lot of missed opportunity when it came to Benny. The way he talked about having a different perspective than most vampires, helping Dean escape from purgatory, then there's episodes where Benny and Dean kill vampires. I honestly thought Benny was going to eventually become a hunter. A hunter/vampire, basically the Supernatural version of Blade. That would've been awesome, but no. The writers just tossed him aside.
Oh yeah, I actually like season 9. Those episodes that you think are bad, I think they're kinda funny. Especially the episode with the pornstar. Love how Dean is so unapologetically Dean, it's one of the reasons why he's my favorite character. Kinda reminds me of myself.
They dropped the ball so bad with Benny. He was a fresh character to the show with a unique style of personality. My wish was that they finally made Castiel bow out as the nuke on the shoulder of the Winchesters and that he would take Castiels place as the Supernatural being that gives a helping hand to the boys without giving them such an overpowered ally.
I always kind of felt they introduce Benny as a kind of substitute for the Dean-Cas relationship.
He seems like the "Bear"-Gay sterotype. Just a tool to further the gaybating, they are doing through out the season with the Destiel ship.
Dean telling Sam to shut up when he was apologizing at Charlie’s funeral like he didn’t get Kevin killed and he tricked Sam into letting an angel possess him
Dean was not told over and over that it would lead to something worse, Sam was
Dean needs to be told by this point?
Dean had the mark. Probably wasn’t in his best mind
Thank you!!! Dean is never held accountable for all the crap he does while Sam gets hate no matter what he does or even doesn't do. But Dean stans will say it was the mark talking cause again Dean never does anything wrong
Season 11 is so good. It has thrill, horror, drama, humor, great narrative, awesome acting. It is my third favourite season after 2 and 5.
Yes season 11 is really great it's in my top 3 right next to season 5 and season 4
I go back to Season 8-11 a lot too.
@@angelaholmes8888 My top 3 seasons, too.
Everything after season 10 turned Supernatural into a joke, imo. 6- 10 had problems but were still watchable. If you all like it that's great but I think the show turned into a parody of itself even though it still had potential to be as serious as 1-5.
@film fan I really like 13, as well.
I really dug the Season 10 episode "Fan Fiction" with the school play built around Sam and Dean's "literary adventures" and its hard not to get choked up at the end when the kids are singing "Carry on Wayward Son".
Yeah then they mention Adam or Michael and still don’t even get him out till season 15 I was like what was the point of that.
@@brianwt1 IKR? I was thought that when the kids brought it up, they would follow up on it, but nah, rot in the cage, Adam. Wow.
That was my Least favorite episode too much pandering for me, but I'm glad You liked it
One of my favorite episodes. The fact they didn't go after Adam both horrified me... and left me laughing. My wife and I quote that episode all of the time.
The actor who played Cain had a stroke, which forced the show runners to change what they originally had planned
Do we know what the original plan was for Cain?
He had a stroke in 2017 and played cain last in 2015. How would that have effected his arc in any way? Dean killed him in season 10 years before his stroke.
me when i lie
@FlyingMonkies325Cain was killed by dean, he couldn't have teleported because he was inside a demon trap
@FlyingMonkies325 Demon traps work on any demon, even princes, knights and lilith, the only difference is that they are not at full power while inside the traps, but they could use their telekinesys and eventually scratch the painting, getting themselves free ... least that's my take on them
Regarding cain, if it's stated that he escaped, then ok, i agree with you, other than that is just fan fiction ... Either way, good catch or good theory
I agree. CAIN WAS AN AWESOME CHARACTER ...should've been more episodes of Cain.
The change in visuals was one of the biggest things that ticked me off about the later seasons of show. Still loved the show, but damn made such a big difference!
Personally I hated the dingy grey blue color grading that permeated the first 3 seasons, I think the show only started to look good after season 4
the first 3 seasons had a horror vibe to it
I have always wondered why they mangled Sam' personality so much in season 8. I agree he was written insanely out of character!
Same.
Not the guy with 1300 Subscribers putting more work into a video than people with millions of subscribers.
I'm loving your work man, I just hope your channel growth is matching your effort. Hoping you hit a million subscribers within the next year.
Thank you so so much! Comments like these mean the world to me and I'm so glad my content is viewed that positively to others.
I personally think that Season 8 and 11 are absolutely awesome. Nothing tops Season 1-5 but Season 11 plus 8 are very close. Seasons 9 and 10 are also solid.
Season 8: 8/10
Season 9: 7/10
Season 10: 6.5/10
Season 11: 8/10
Season 8 is my 3rd favorite after 4&5
Agreed people just suck and so do their opinions. The only seasons I didn't care for in the entire run are 6 and 7.
It always bothered me that seasons 6-11 weren’t as tightly written as the first five. I loved the over-arching storyline of seasons 1-5; it’s one of the reasons I really got into the show in the first place. And you’re right about there being a huge drop in quality for character writing in these seasons. It’s such a shame because they have a cast of genuinely talented actors. I’m relieved it’s not just me who didn’t really care for this era.
I absolutely love henry Winchester I definitely would love a show that centered around him I much prefer him over samuel Campbell with henry you can tell he cared about sam and dean
A story with Henry would have pick my interest more than the ne "The Winchesters" with John and Mary, I'm scare to watch it and see if the end up screwing the original canon lore....
@@sofialu226 Yeah, when I heard about that prequel series, I lamented that it wasn't a story about Henry Winchester in his earlier days. I even came up with a potential story line that borrows a bit from the original show to keep the themes of brotherhood and family going. My idea was that Henry's father and mother had two kids with Henry being the older brother, and they split sometime around Henry's eighth birthday. The reason for this split would've been that Henry's father never told his mother about the Men of Letters, and she didn't find out about it until after Henry already started the earliest stages of his training. She didn't want her children to be raised in that kind of life, but Henry's father was insistent, so she took the younger child and left him, leaving Henry behind because he was already involved and she saw that as something that could corrupt the younger child. Flash forward a little over a decade, and the younger sibling tracks down Henry to ask for his help, because something had killed their mother in a effort to get info on the MoL, which resulted in the younger sibling swearing revenge and becoming a Hunter. Henry would be reluctant, partly because of the MoL attitude towards hunters, and partly because he doesn't feel any obligation towards the mother that abandoned him. But he ultimately agrees after remembering that he did have some good memories of her, and that his younger sibling would likely get themselves killed because they would do this alone if they had to. This leads to them trying to track down this thing all over the country, trying to repair their relationship, while butting heads due to their differnt backgrounds, attitudes towards monsters, and just generally being very different people.
When I first saw it, I wanted to know so much more about Henry and Millie as well. I have a headcanon that Dean's middle name is Henry.
@@sofialu226 the Winchester's is actually good show so far
@@angelaholmes8888 Umm, sorry, no, it’s horrible. It’s another CW teen drama with supernatural elements that happens to be set in the 70’s of the Supernatural universe and that’s about it. The writing is poor and the characters are boring and the core idea doesn’t work because the actors playing John and Mary have barely any chemistry and we have yet to see any indication as to why they would fall for each other. They just do because it’s necessary for Dean and Sam to exist. If you or others enjoy it, then great but it doesn’t make the show actually good and it seems like a lot of people who enjoy it just say that it’s good or great without any reason why other than seemingly just that it offers more Supernatural content.
season 11 is one of my favorites. excellent acting, drama, story, and arc. to me i think its a pretty underrated season and it needs more love. but then s12 kinda ruins everything imo.
Yep yeah are right season 12 totally ruined it 💯
damn straight it did
@@angelaholmes8888 what did S12 ruin?
i just think that s12 basically just ruined all the potential that the end of s11 had for the show. so, when they brought back Mary, it was exciting to know that she was finally gonna be a part of the boys’ lives over 30 years later. then of course the writers had to screw it all up by having Mary work with and trust the BMOL over her two sons, while also knowing they didn’t work well together and in the process nearly killed Sam & Dean. towards the end of s12 she did realize her error but she still kinda remained a useless character because the majority of s13 she’s trapped in the alternate universe, and even in s14 they didn’t really do that much with her other than the family reunion we got in the 300th episode. that’s just my personal intake on it, but yea, i had to vent about it lmao….. in the end it ended up being one the worst decisions the writers made imo
I hurts to remember how Sam's character was after Dean's Purgatory time 🥲
How would the actual Sam just abandon Dean 😂😂🤨
@Akshat Singha I feel you.
The Amelia flashbacks were unwatchable.
@@bela516 I feel you.
Great video man! Tons of hard work was put into this and it pays off.
Thank you again for featuring my video about Kim. I'm glad you got where I was coming from in terms of how Supernatural would visually portray itself after the first 7 seasons.
Also I laughed out loud at the "disagree with his later seasons" comments. Brings me back to the days of 12 when I felt like I was the only one seeing the cracks in the wall. It's all good though. That's the point of all of this. We can have different opinions but we can still discuss it in a civil manner ☺️ thank you again for featuring me in this epic video!
Thank you so much! And yeah, even when I didn't agree with your reviews, the critiques you brought up still made 100% sense and your reviews added a lot to my enjoyment! Very well thought out and said!
@@JayTheZoomster I meant to respond to this, but I was still in London at the time. When I finished this video, I wondered if you would be up for doing a collab discussion, about Supernatural in general, the good, the bad, the difference of opinions we have about the later seasons. I did a few collab videos with Jade awhile back and I've been wanting to do another video of similar style since. Let me know if it's something you would be interested in.
*It might help motivate me through the bore that is Season 7 right now 😂*
Yeah that'd be awesome!
I do have to wonder if Jared Padalecki (Sam Winchester’s) mental health had to do with him being less utilized as a character. For those who don’t know, Jared suffered a lot with depression during the run of the show to a life threatening degree. With the help of his castmates and wife (rubys actress) he was able to get help when he had a breakdown during the shows hiatus convention season, and his mental health seems to have improved a lot. Would more arcs have focused on him if he hadn’t had those struggles? 🤔
I love the whole purgatory theme and Dean and Cas ending up there was awesome. It would've been cooler if they had actually episodes that showed their stay there instead of those short flashbacks from Dean that we got. What I do love is the relationship between Dean and Benny, that was a fresh spin on the show. On another note, Crowley implied that the levians were still on Earth when he's talking to Sam and takes Kevin but we literally never see or hear about levians ever again after Dick is killed..
honestly I hated how they handled lucifer and chuck in season 11 they're supposed to be a mirror of sam and john in season 1 but instead they made it a cringe angsty teenager joke
If you think that then you know nothing about the devil and check
I still remember *screaming* at my tv when the finale of Season 8 happened. I was not a fan of S6 & S7 and thought that S8 was a perfect time to end the show post-Kripke. With Sam sacrificing himself for the greater good, Castiel using the Angel tablet to actually seal the angels in Heaven (not cast them out like it happened), and have Dean left with a newly humanized Crowley would have left the show on a pretty good note. Hell, if they wanted to continue afterwards, it could have been a MotW season with Dean & Crowley as the duo.
But then we got S9/10 which are so so so bad, and then S11 is amazing and AGAIN they could have ended there. But nope, had to drain the dead horse of all the blood for 12/13/14/15.
I definitely give Jeremy Carver the silver medal he was a great showrunner for the show I'm glad he brought back the biblical lore
except for the S9 part!
Now that the series is over, I always wondered WHY there was never a later episode that showed a flash back to when dean was rescued from hell. It could have been one hell of a scene and answered some questions as to what really happened instead of just going off of Castiel saying "I'm the one who gripped you tight and raised you from perdition". A scene actually showing Castiel pull dean from hell would have been, could been one of the coolest/ cinematic/ and profound scenes in the whole series.
I can totally imagine it: Episode starts with Castiel commanding and giving instruction to an army of angels in heaven right before they decend down to earth and then into hell, laying seige and smiting all demons who stand in their way. With no actual context we're wondering "wait, what's going on here?" Then amidst the chaos of battle one of Castiel's soldiers urgently runs up to him saying "Sir, we found him! We found Dean Winchester!" It's here that we as the viewer start to realize that this is when Dean was rescued from hell, they just waited a few seasons to show us. Castiel proceeds to make his way to Dean, being led by a small platoon of his angel soldiers, swinging their swords and smiting demons who are trying to stop them. Finally, he arrives to where Dean is being held captive when he's not torturing souls. Dean, confused and frightened at all the ruckus and moreso now that Castiel, with utter fire in his eyes is walking towards him with a serious and intentive demeanor. Dean can't believe what he's witnessing and has no idea what to make of it. Before anymore time is wasted Castiel grabs Dean by his shoulder and with one mighty flap of his wings flys up and out of hell, carrying Dean back to earth. This, THIS is what happens right before Dean wokes up in that pine box. These are the events that led to Dean coming back from hell.
Supernatural writers, you can have that one. Just make it happen.
Honestly, I’d rather not see it. It does sound like an awesome scene, but nothing on screen could ever do it full justice. I’d rather keep it in the real of imagination; the mystery lends the angels that much more power. Sometimes, less is more.
Jeremy Carver's Era of Supernatural may have some issues here and there but compared to the Andrew Dabb's Era, it's a masterpiece.
you'll be surprised by my Dabb era video then I guess
@@JayTheZoomster His era is a bunch of continuity errors and retcons to the series canon. And making God evil was stupid.
I can't wait to hear your controversial take.
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 I agree
@@giovannigiovanni.7220 Exactly, nothing but continuity errors and retcon after retcon, even from one episode to the next. No continuity whatsoever under Dabb, and a lot of shoehorned political garbage to pander to part of the audience and alienate the other half. Highly disrespectful to the fanbase and just all around unprofessional and bad writing in general
@@farcryfromheaven2320 👏
The Amara season was a brief restoration of my faith in the series. Everything felt so good about it, well built up with a worthy threat. Unfortunately the seasons surrounding it were not as good to me
Season 10 was where I jumped off. As soon as Dean killed Death I was just kinda like “…nah, I’m good.”
I really like your analysis of those seasons, and it is also really useful to remember what was going on with each season ! And I wanted to stress that several of the worst episodes you named were written by the same duo (Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Leming). Not all "bad" episodes of course, but created several which are plagued with out-of-character behaviour, offensive themes, and unecessary and rushed character deaths for no reason at all. One of the mistakes made by the showrunners, to me, was to keep hiring them - as they clearly dragged down the whole storyline...
I loved Supernatural from when the pilot first aired but man, I just always keep finding myself coming back to seasons 1-5. The Kripke era really was the peak for me.
I personally love seasons 9 and 10 i felt actually interested while feeling burnt out by 6 up to the ending of 8.
Season 11 I keep trying to tell people is easily the 2nd best of the series next to 5. I love fantasy level high stakes and clever big finales. Also season 11 is the first ever season of Supernatural where Sam and Dean don't have some big secret they're keeping from eachother, taking away their biggest weakness.
bro season 11 is peak
Season 11 actually killed the show for me. I watched a couple episodes of 12, saw it didn't get better, and never watched anything beyond that.
I loved Demon Dean sooo much, the whole conflict with his loved ones and in himself as well should have been explored much deeper, in my opinion. It might have come from left field, but would have been really interesting to see, how he slowly finds his way back to his human side, maybe explore interactions with other demons and creatures, and this changed dinamic between the brothers.
Supernatural was a pretty formative part of my childhood, and I really enjoyed your videos on the series! Made me want to rewatch at least the first five seasons. I only made it through season 10 (and I honestly don’t think I finished it, or if I did, it didn’t stick), so it’s interesting hearing what happened and how the show was after I stopped watching. Im looking forward to your video on the last part of the series! All I know about those last few seasons comes from people making fun of the finale on Twitter.
Kevin and Charlie’s deaths honestly felt completely out of nowhere to me. Especially Charlie’s. She wanted space from Rowena’s nagging so she could focus on decoding the codex so Cass takes Rowena to a nearby room and then she just..leaves? Like, she would’ve been fine and safer figuring out the codex from where she was now but she instead chooses to leave without telling anyone and go to some random motel and the styne family just happen to find her and kill her?? I wasn’t even sad but just frustrated because it felt completely unnecessary.
I never got the hate for season 6&7. The cliffhanger for 6 was absolutely nuts
The British Men of Letters was one of the worst additions to the show.
They were horribly inconsistent, beginning being overpowered( one single member takes on Dean, someone that fought his way through Purgatory for almost a year, and Castiel, an angel single handedly) and then became hopeless morons later.
They were annoyingly full of themselves and never seemed like real people.
I think I agree with you about Season 8, especially the Naomi-hacking-angels-thing. As a Stargate SG1 fan, every time Naomi appeared, I spent more time being glad that Amanda Tapping was on SPN, than I did actually caring about the character she was pretending to be. At least her acting ability made the character tolerable!
Season six is awesome. "Caged heat", " Appointment in Samara", " The French Mistake" and more are great episodes.
But the finale sucked. An archangel like Raphael killed with a snap. What a waste of a character and a season.
For me after season 5 till season 11 was something like this
1 - Opening : Wow this seasons gonna be dope
2 - Pre mid season finale : some random staff
3 - Mid season finale and opening : well now shit is going to be dope/yeah we gonna love the rest show
4 - Between mid season finale and the final eisodes : why why do i hope
5 - The last 2-4 episodes : well the next season gonnaa blow our minds
6 - Next season : Go to 1
Don't call me Shirley is ligitamently the best episode of Supernatural. The writing is great, the acting is perfect and the concept is one of the most interesting things the show ever did. This episode is why I HATE season 15. They character assisnated one of the most interesting characters of the show for "lols let's make God the last villain."
An episode that I really liked that I felt really stands out in season 9 was episode 7. The one with the boys home that dean spent time at. That one always hits me in the feels
the only episode from that season that I love
You never reboot or retcon your myths. Tolkien never did that, neither Did C.S Lewis. You build upon it by expanding it.
If only DC would learn that lesson.
I totally agree with you about the cinematography in the show's later seasons and im actually a subscriber of Jeremy's channel👍
I really wanted demon dean to last longer Jensen did a good job it definitely would had been interesting if cain had been the big bad of season 10 🤔
thanks for the comment Angela 😊
Yeah pretty bang on with Season 8. When I was starting it, I was fairly bored by it, but the second half surprised me big time, with being some of the best since Season 5
As much as I can relate with your reviews, they seem far too race-focused. I highly doubt the "non-white characters" are treated badly or any less. It's in the writing and not by the color of their skin. The idea of this is pretty silly in my opinion.
Other than that, I love your videos! This semi-brilliant series really needed a good well edited retrospective. You delivered that to us. Thank you!
EDIT: Thank you for the rant on the visuals, nobody ever talked about this. Hated them.
I always felt like the bad episodes were meant to be kinda a funny break episode from all the darker more intense hopeless feeling episodes to be honest
There is a good way to do those episodes. They are called Breather Episodes which are meant to give the audience a break from the angst drama. Hell House in season 1, Tall Tales from season 2, Ghostfacers in season 3, Monster Movie in season 4, The Curious Case Of Dean Winchester in season 5, even Clap If You Believe from season six were examples of breather episodes. And, of course, Baby from season 11. THOSE were written and performed well. Just because they are breather episodes does NOT mean they can't be done well.
To call it the dark age in an artistically negative point of view. Well that’s just your opinion from your own perspective. I’m currently finishing up my 2nd binge marathon watch of the show now and I still don’t have any ill feelings towards the show, I still enjoy it and I feel perfectly content on the trajectory narrative the show takes even up to the series finale. It’s a brilliant show and one of the best TV series to ever been created and given to us during our lifetime. I will be a Supernatural fan until I draw my last breath.
I found Claire and early Rowena to be the most annoying characters in this show. Rowena at least had a decent arc whereas Claire kept ending an episode learning her lesson then to go and act the same exact entitled way the next time you see her
WAIT I GOT IT! seasons 8-11 are jeremy carver taking a shot at the cw! "You liked my work on past seasons and want something similar? Okay guys, we're reshooting seasons 3-5! Chucks gone, but you have his writer... no... SCRIBE"
Its so nice to get a real and honest review of the show and the characters. I'm so sick of the Dean girls who hate on Sam and think he is the perfect hard done by brother. Also no shipping crap.
I’m a photographer and I’m currently binge watching supernatural already on season 5. That coloring and use of shadows to look more dreary and gory was the first thing I noticed. For some reason all of Hollywood is shooting with this same style. Nonetheless I hadn’t watched an episode of supernatural since cass burst out in the lake.
“… abuse of the shows’ non-white characters…” My eyes rolled so hard that I detached my retinas…
Get bent
@JayTheZoomster that's your response? You make a completely loaded statement, and your retort is "get bent." Go cry harder
I had chills just listening to you talking about the S8 finale! Angels falling was truly one of the show's best finales.
There are moments of greatness in late-era Supernatural. I usually just recommend the first five seasons but I also tell people to watch The French Mistake and Fan Fiction. Those are my two favorite episodes even if I didn't like the show anymore at that point. I also think the Chuck reveal is the best scene in Supernatural history. Also, I have had a crush on Katie Sarife since the episode aired. I don't think I had ever realized that a beret could look that good on a woman. I have never seen her in anything else but I've never forgotten her
Season 10 - Loved the Cain storyline and wish they would have expanded it, just as I would have liked to see more of Purgatory in Season 8.
I have to go back to Season 8 because that was the worst season for me - Sam's storyline about why he didn't find or save Dean could have gone in SO many infinitely better directions. How many monsters and angels want revenge? I'm sure his capture and torture would have made a better story arc for Dean to come home to. Working with Benny on the mystery of finding and rescuing Sam, and then seeing a lean, Dean fighting machine fresh from his upleveling in Purgatory would have been way better than the garbage they gave us. Even soap opera levels of plotlines like Samnesia, comas, or incarceration for criminally insane would have been preferable as to the reason why he didn't look for and find Dean. UG - I'm never getting over that season.
I think Ben Edlund (creator of the tick and also worked on venture bros) leaving after season 8 was a real death blow to the shows creativity and sense of humor. If you look at the episodes he wrote, they're some of my personal favorites for their humor and self contained nature. Night Shifter, Hollywood Babylon, the French Mistake, and Monster Movie are my favorite ones he wrote.
Generally good retrospective, but complaining about nonwhite people dying in a show in which EVERYONE, including main characters, dies is pretty silly and gives me the cringe.
funny thing about demon dean is it's something they pulled from season 3 X 10.
Your supernatural series on this channel is fantastic. Looking forward to seeing you wrap it up!
12:14 that shot of Naomi with the light behind her almost shaped like wings is one of the best I’ve seen.
these seasons were the dark era for sure but it was also weird because the episodic one off episodes were always really fun. it was really the season storylines that were bland.
although Demon Dean is a fan favourite for sure
For me watching season 1-5 was enjoyable and loved it. everything afterwards just felt like a chore to watch. forcing myself to watch it to see where it went and see how it ended, but ultimately it just felt repetitive and not enjoyable
Ad season 9: I beg to differ.
For me the most interesting plotline of that season was the mark of Cain. The problem was they did nothing with it. Dean being a demon should have been the main issue of season 10, and they turned him back into a human after what? 3 episodes?
If season 10 made demon Dean the main villain, forcing Sam, Castiel and Crowley to make the most difficult choice in order to save what they care about, that plot would have been interesting. But they were spooked by making the main character go bad, because then the show might have been interesting again, and who needs that in seasons 10 and onward?
exactly and i heard its all because of the fanfiction episode likewhat such a good plot wasted for 1 FOR ONE good episode like really ???? i loved demon dean too too bad his character never lasted longer than 3 eps soulless sam got half a season so why not demon dean?
Season 8 started weak to me but was a step up from seasons 6 and 7
I really enjoyed the character benny and the friendship with dean
I totally agree with you about the man's best friend episode
12 By itself is the worst season of anything I had to watch. 13 stopped trying to recreate the SPN fórmula and started going into this more action approach with a bunch of Magic mambo jump. 14/15 felt like a CW super hero/Doctor Who/Buffy the vampire slayer type of TV show
if thats how you feel don't watch the next video 💀
Can’t believe you went through the whole video without mentioning Gadreal, who in my opinion has an awesome character arc.
I agree with your sentiments here, Especially with Sam. Though strangely I found him more compelling in this side, where he try’s to redeem himself and later Dean. I do agree with the fact that they shouldn’t have killed Kevin and Charlie, but that is the supernatural way, kill the side characters first then one of the brothers.
I liked Amara, and I feel like they should of set up season 11 to be an ending to the previous 5 seasons, since I agree the British men of letters set up detached away from the main plot. I liked Amara a lot, though it feels unfair that Donotello, Metatron, and everyone who was killed by Amara are left dead or souless. She’s as powerful as Chuck, and can’t return them?
That's a good point about Amara, actually.
I liked amara too even if she was the darkness I was still tryna get some of that kool aid
amara could have been the end game and should have ended there
Season 8 is a very solid season imo. With season 8 and the beginning of 9 feeling pretty well attached
This was not the dark age. Seasons 12 and 14 are the dark age
nah
@@JayTheZoomster yes. Those two seasons are trash though 14 made me want to physically vomit
@@noahmagana137 Dabb's era is indeed trash, there were a few episodes here and there that were decent, but for the most part after 11, the show was hot garbage. Just more low budget CW pandering woke nonsense.
Oh yes, my two least favorites. 14 especially made me constantly mad while watching it
@@sk70091 me too
one of the reasons supernatural looked different after season 5 was the switch from film cameras to digital. that i think was out of the showrunners' control. on the other hand, they could have easily kept up the color grading, lighting, set design, and cinematography that was so intentional and great in the earlier seasons. but to make some lemonade, the later seasons having them stiffly jump around like barbie dolls on a blank set under bright studio lights has entertaining, if not entirely redeeming, metanatural implications.
One other issue with Bloodlines is it takes place in Chicago, which is the same setting of The Dresden Files. Now, Dresden Files is a book series about a Wizard Private Investigator, trying to save people, do his job, and dealing with Monsters, Vampires, Fallen Angels, Fairy Queens, and regular old Gangsters. It's a great series, and has a lot of action and humor, any fan of Supernatural would probably enjoy it. But I can't imagine that the writers of the show had never heard of Dresden Files, and it makes everything in Bloodlines at best a pale imitation, and at worst blatant plagiarism.
Season 11 was definitely one of the best seasons I really enjoyed the darkness amara she was a great villain she's one of my favorite female characters in the show I also enjoyed misha collins as Lucifer he definitely pulled off the role way better than rick Springfield love the baby episode and just my imagination
real,cassifer was goofy but hey at least hes enjoyable. he played it really well loved season 11 as well such a biiiiiig plot advancement very interesting
I was sad that Charlie Bradbury was killed off same goes for death I didn't see that coming I was shocked
I was watching this show as it aired and 9 was where I had started missing episodes and not care as much. 10 is where I dropped out completely. Been watching this series to see if I should rewatch the show. I think I’m going to give it another go.
i really enjoy these introspective videos you’ve been doing for this show. it’s my favorite show too actually so it’s nice to go back. i’m disappointed you didn’t put as much research as i hoped into the seasons though
Dean was such an efficient killer with the mark of Cain, he wiped out the whole Stein bloodline. In one night. In one house.. when, “we’ve got family all over the world”. Huh
just stumbled across these--really great video, love your thoughts.
@ 5:40 In my opinion it’s not that carver doesn’t know how to right Sam, however it’s just that this is where Sammy is at currently, one of the signs of good righting is when someone is able to right a character that doesn’t only change for the better but sometimes makes changes for the worst, and with that said we see Sammy get back to feeling essentially the same way he did 8-9 years earlier before he lost Jess and had to drop out of law school, because and “let me try this again Dads on a hunting trip, and he hasn’t been back in a few days” Sam knew what Dean meant way back then, and knew the best thing to do was not to get involved, that it was the best way to be there to protect Jess, and focus on there future together. It’s only after Dean re emphasized his concerned that Sam decided to go with him. Which only proved to reinforce his decision to trust his instincts eight years later, do to what happened to Jess
IT makes sense that sam is no longer trying to see the good in monsters. Look at how many times that bit him.
He's getting tired of putting his family before the good of the world. That's why he didn't try to get dean out of purgatory. I feel like you're missing a few things.
As someone who haven't watched Supernatural (only knowing slightly about its setting and lore), but having watched Buffy and Charmed previously, I see a repeated pattern. Buffy had 7 seasons. The first five felt like a conslusion with her dying for a 2nd time. Bringing her back set up the meta-commentary we will see in the latter seasons of Supernatural. And while some seasons vary in being fantastic or simply just good, it felt like the threat made a slight increase each season (with the exception of the 6th meta-season), where they were literally fighting the concept of Evil, and it ended there. I know there are continuations (Angel for starters should have had another season), but Buffy ended where it was needed.
Charmed I think, made a similar progress up until they face off against the Source, and later on, Cole as the Source. After beating him and the emotional bagage it left us, it was hard to continue on from there. Sure they kinda found their footing again with the Hogwarts-inspired school, but the last season surely outstayed its welcome!
Season 8 - Sam's out of character writing was a travesty in this season. "Lazy writing to create friction between the brothers" = SAD TRUTH. The whole Amelia plot line was horrible; in addition to being out of character for Sam (choosing her over Dean 🙄🤔😤), they had NO chemistry compared to watching Sam with characters like Sarah Blake in season 1, Madison in season 2 and Ruby in season 4.
I love your videos and your channel sm! I really hope you continue to grow & get more subs & views bc you truly deserve it. Your take on video essays is super unique
Jeremy Carver had a "3 year plan" because his plan was to rewrite seasons 3, 4, and 5. Starting with Dean being resurrected, ending with the ultimate evil being unleashed.
I never noticed how much the show's look changed. But that's a fantastic point. Now that I know, I can't ignore it. And it certainly helps my opinion that why the show kinda went downhill was that it lost its nitty-gritty "horror" feel.
great retrospective! love the video. Interesting to revisit these seasons this way.
Cole made no sense because the actors ages weren’t far enough apart to make it make sense that Dean killed his father. Would have been more interesting to bring Amy Pond’s son back for revenge. Not to mention the actor that played Cole was HUGELY problematic in the fandom - like, the actor was a psycho - which was part of why the character never was brought back.
😬...you lost me after saying season 9 was not even that good buahahaha. We all have our own opinions but very little was boring about this season. Also, we get to see how Deans whole persona changes, showing Jensen Ackles wide acting range. We get "The Mark"...and one of the most intense endings that leads to Demon Dean👍👍🕴️
S8:
I hated how out of character Sam was and how quickly Dean returned.
I think it would have been better if there were several episodes with Sam actively searching for Dean while checking on Kevin (who also would help search for Dean in his own way) even while Sam was dating Amelia, again balancing the Family and Hunter life (I love seeing this type of storyline, ok), juxtaposed with Dean's life in purgatory.
Then after a few episodes Amelia learning of her Military boyfriend being alive and her and Sam going through that together (with Sam leaving Amelia so she can be happy) and Sam losing hope at ever finding Dean while struggling with his memories of Amelia then an episode of Sam trying to live without Amelia and Dean and diving into hunting, then bringing Dean's return back. That would have added so much more bulk to that storyline while introducing the closing the gates of hell storyline with Sam checking on Kevin.
Also, I was disappointed that they killed off Meg. I actually liked her character (I personally liked Rachel's version of Meg (S5, S6, S7, S8) more than Nicki's version of Meg (S1, S2, S4), just my opinion.) I wanted to see more of the Megstiel relationship and how a Demon/Angel relationship would work haha. (I read the Fanfiction "In The Lethe" by Tea and Chess to fill this void, but still).
S9:
Wasn't a fan of this season itself either. I didn't like Metatron, I found him to be an annoying villain. But Curtis Armstrong's acting was really funny and good.
I think this season would have been more compelling if they concentrated more on the Angels trying to figure out life on Earth rather than automatically going into a civil war. Introducing some specific named Angels and how they handle this new life in a variety of ways: good, bad, neutral, wanting to go back to heaven or wanting to stay on Earth, etc. And bring Sam, Dean and Cas into this by trying to track down these angels and see how this fall from Heaven affected them and trying to help them. The factions idea could have been brought in later on based on how these named angels handled this new life on Earth. There could be moments where they disagreed on the other factions' views and maybe some angels being killed in the process all sides trying to convince the other that they are better.
So, Sam, Dean, and Cas could be all trying to figure out how to reopen heaven while also trying to deal with Crowley, Abaddon, Gadreel, and Metatron causing their own chaos. I'd also think it would have been a better plot for the Faction Angels Aligning with Sam, Dean, Cas, Metatron, Gadreel etc.
The episode "Bloodlines" was too much info in one episode, it would have been more interesting if they spread this out over several episodes.
My favorite episode of S9 was "Dog Dean Afternoon" XD
S10:
Although I found Demon Dean to be pretty funny, I'm glad it only lasted a few episodes.
I love Rowena as a character.
I would have loved to see more of Cain as a villain before Dean actually killed him.
I wanted to see more of Castiel and Claire. The conflict of Claire dealing with knowing Castiel in her father's body, but also wanting to reconnect with her family after years of being on her own. Along with her just being a teenager. Castiel trying to get Claire on a better path, due to his promise of taking care of Jimmy's wife and daughter. It would have been a really interesting plotline. In combination with the whole Claire and Randy thing.
I also loved the episode where Dean and Claire interacted it was pretty good.
I wish they could have done more with Castiel in this season. He is an awesome and they could of used him more with his Seraph powers rather than pushing him on the back burner.
I HATED the Stein family! Their concept was pretty interesting. But then they killed Charlie...Yeah.
Charlie was my favorite character she reminded me alot of myself (well not so much about the red hair and being a master computer hacker. More of her personality and her hobbies and interests).
I think they should have had death mention The Mark of Cain holding in The Darkness much earlier and then talking about the Darkness and what she would do once released and why she was locked up in the first place. That could have added more to Dean, who's always wanting to save everyone, being in conflict about releasing The Darkness with the information that Death gave him.
My Favorite episodes of S10 were "About a Boy" (Dylan Everest did such an amazing job taking on Dean's personality and quirks.) and "Fan Fiction" (it was just Awesome ok!)
S11:
Misha did an awesome job when Cas was possessed by Lucifer. Misha is such an amazing actor.
I liked the character of Amara/The Darkness. And this plot with the Darkness was done really well.
My favorite episode of S11 was "Safe House" just showing Sam and Dean taking on a case that Bobby and Rufus did years ago was creatively done! and it was great seeing Bobby and Rufus back again.
Meg was great. Both actors did the character justice, but I tend to agree with your take.
That exorcism scene in S1 E22 with the first actor, that was the episode that really hooked me on the show.
S2 is my favourite.
I really didn't like how later seasons of the show would have most monster of the week creatures to be a ghost. With all the demons and angels, ghosts seems too close to home to feel like a disconnect from the main story. Season 1-3 have the best monster of the weeks
I actually really enjoy this era. It definitely has some speed bumps (especially Sam being out of character for half of season 8, even if I do believe it just gets better and better as it goes along), but when it's working, it's really great, and I really enjoyed all of the additions to the lore, especially the Men of Letters. The finale for season 11 felt like such a natural end point. I didn't like where it went at all from there and eventually just fell off. Having heard a lot of the things they did in the remaining 3 or so seasons I didn't watch, I'm starting to think I'm glad that I stopper when I did, because it really feels like they jumped the shark. Kinda hard to top the literal manifestation of primordial darkness... (also why did they have to make Chuck/God a legit bad guy? It messes with eo much about the show and especially the implications of the golden era. I hate it so much.)
16:53 "The Aquarius Star symbol is really cool"
*Aquarian* Star.
the natural end to Supernatural was when Sam got locked in Hell and Dean got out of Hunting it was the natural end to it. Also the actor who plays Metatron played the character of Booger in the Revenge of the Nerds movies so him playing a villain didn't really work for me because I've seen him in those movies
48:16 I agree that Lucifer has always been “easygoing” and funny.
I also find it cool that he only really tried to be serious and menacing when he was in his true vessel, Sam.
thats the best part and it makes sense too cuz he went insane in the cage when he was thrown there in s5 samifer is different like that part very much
My biggest complain with the show is that if Lucifer was banished for believing angels were superior to humans, then why do nearly all angels share the same mindset? I feel like even as antagonists, they should at least believe that they are doing what is right for humanity.