@@llab3903the warhammer ai channels are terrible, i could understand if they wrote the script and used an AI voice but they just chatGPT the script and call it a day and theyre all terrible
A very interesting look at the rivers and rot. Thanks for all the hard work in putting this video together. While I haven't put to much thought or investigation in this area myself, so much to look at in this world, I did have one small unimportant thing to share. The coffins, the text that makes them fly is Smithscript. Smithscript is formally introduced in the DLC with a series of weapons that can be thrown but will return to the wielder. These weapons have those symbols on them but for the best view the Smithscript shield icon is what you wanna look at. Unfortunately, this is one of those revelations that doesn't really offer much but scraps of certainty are very rare in Fromsoft Lore so anything you can take for 100% fact we gotta be thankful for lol.
@@Writh811 Thanks! That’s a very interesting connection I never noticed. Interestingly this seems to also be the same writing on the black knifeprint item.
We have Miquella, reborn as a god of the same Light worshipped by the Hornsent, and Malenia who, as this video posits, is part of, or related to, a consequence of the cruelties inflicted upon the Hornsent, both being children of the unified Marika and Radagon, the union of whom has been theorized to be the product of the Hornsent’s jar-creation-experiments… Perhaps it truly is all connected. Perhaps the curse mentioned by the Grandam runs even deeper than we suspected, beyond the appearance of Omen. …this was a wonderful video. Honestly one of the best of its kind; succinct AND convincing. You had me hooked with the visual parallel of Malenia’s impaling grab attack and Romina’s stinger grab attack, which I had never considered before. The only logistical issue I can see is the idea that Malenia’s curse, which she was born with, is related to Romina’s act of weaving the rot during/after the Crusade. It implies the Empyrean twins’ births would have been after the Crusade, which I don’t think many people would feel right in believing, even if there’s no real evidence pointing either way. …that said, I personally wouldn’t let it matter much, because these kinds of things are imagination/vibes-based. If it’s cool to think about, it should be thought about. Connecting the two major instances of Scarlet Rot through the buds and through the rivers is a wonderful thing to ponder. Keep up the great work!
13:06 what if… ALL of Marika’s children‘s afflictions come from hornsent curses. The omen curse is the most obvious one, but what if miquella’s eternal nascence and whatever took over godwyns corpse also comes from the hornsent
@@yunkinto This is definitely a possibility! The curse’s afflicting Marika’s children all seem to be tied to her past in some way. As you said, the curses of the omen twins, Malenia and maybe Miquella are likely linked to hornsent, but if we look at Messmer his curse might be more linked to the gloam eyed queen (who is associated with snakes).
1:05 first time i fought her i was so desperate, second time i was more chill, and i just noticed that not only that whole area feels like a Shadow Of The Colossus area, Romina battle music is also really reminiscing the SOTC songs
My personal pet theory is that the blind swordsman is just a personification of flowing water, as in, you use flowing water to clean yourself and to wash away the rot, some cultures might have deified and personified it as a grate protector from rot
This is a great way to look at and make sense of the lore. Everyone is trying to direct the flow of souls to their desired destination. It's a battle for souls. A spiritual war. We see it today and it's always been the case. Those fighting to shape your opinions and your reality and your belief system to fit their agenda are basically redirecting your soul to their own path.
great video! I’m definitely writing some stuff down as I was just looking for more information about golems myself lol 🫶 thank you for pointing out the crystal darts ~
Maybe the Nox were connected to the giant stone coffins. Maybe the Nox knew the giants of caelid and the mountain. They do show up next to water when Malenia bombed Radahn
Great video! This topic is sorely under covered, as is the engineering of the waters and lands themselves. I have a question for you as I have been pondering the lake of rot for some time. Why do you think it was made in the first place? Were the Nox attempting to amass spiritual energy with their damn? Why on earth is the other far side associated with Elden John and a more ritualistic ancient dynasty? Was this area meant as a repository for rot or is that a happy accident? And how on earth does the glintstone cluster /mushroom shelving at the center all play into this? The story of this region defies me still.
@@The808basshead Thanks! I agree the lake of rot is definitely a very interesting but mysterious region. Since we have so little information on the region, there are lots of valid theories. My interpretation is that the ancient dynasty ruins (grand cloister) predates the lake of rot, and that the blind swordsman defeated the god of rot there much later, possibly around the time of the Nox. When he defeated the god, it’s essence was sealed within the lake, making it the lake of rot. The Nox built the dam at this time so that no more spiritual energy would enter the lake in an attempt to prevent the spread of the rot. It’s also very possible the ancient dynasty was involved with the god of rot though. As for the glintstone cluster, if you check the map it is actually right under Raya Lucaria. Rot can infect glintstone, as we can see with the rotten cystallians, so maybe that is another source of energy for the rot. I also think the lake of rot could be the reason Liurnia is sinking into the water above ground. It’s definitely an interesting piece of world design.
In the scorched ruins of the gravesite plain, you can find a spirit of a hornsent weaving a curse on Marika's lineage. he says he will forge it from the raw resentment of his slain kin. Could this be why the Omen of the Lands between are haunted by bitter spirits? with their horns being a sign of spiritual potency, manifestations of the spirits of dead Hornsent haunting them would cause their horns to run even more wild than the Hornsent, because the Hornsent have horns as a controlled result of their spiritual practices, whereas the Omen have horns unwillingly as a result of their blood ties to Queen Marika tying them in to the curse wrought on her. Maybe these would have merely been people with a couple horns here and there, were it not for the spirits of the race Marika slaughtered clinging to them bitterly. All of these spirits were Crucible-touched. Makes sense that Omen horns grow beyond all reason. And if spirits travel through the water, then they aren't limited in their travel to and from the Realm of Shadow, as a massive bay-lake-thing is all that remains linking the land of shadow and the lands between physically. Side note, in the Elder Scrolls series, water doesn't necessarily contain spirits themselves, but memory. Memory which is reabsorbed by all and accumulates in potency as experience passes. Interesting how both of these ideas contain the idea that water contains something of the dead that continues to shape the living ad infinitum.
I would love to see more discussing the death legacy of the palace ruins and if they connect to the Nox, as well as the Nox’s own connections with death. I was disappointed there wasn’t more revealed about them in the DLC.
That’s a cool connection. I’m also curious how their relation to Marika’s shaman people relates to the broader story, like if the shamans are a separate group descending from the palace culture or something. Excited to see whatever else you plan on discussing!
Hey its parallwl lmao I personally think it would be a mischaracterization to say romina realized she could achieve divinity through the rot Instead i think this is more akin to the bloodfiends, who in their grief, beheld their fallen ancestor, and in doing so beheld the formless mother In other words, her grief revealed to her a divinity she was foreign to, and her grief imprinted on the rot in a way
@@parallellines2568 🚨Parallwl spotted 🚨 Yeah that’s fair, the way I worded it might have forced the goals of the hornsent onto Romina too much. Romina may not have wanted to achieve divinity through rot, but I think in creating the scarlet rot she imprinted the idea of blooming flowers to try to save the buds of her church. That blooming was a divine act which remained a path to divinity, but creating a god was likely not a goal of Romina, and more a byproduct.
@@dgalloway107 Possibly! Another reason many rivers are connected to the underworld in myth is that they are thought to purify the soul. I’m not entirely familiar with the cultural basis of baptism, but I think it plays a similar role of purifying the spirit, just before you die instead of after!
@@Stormking66324 Well I'm apostate now, but I was raised baptist so its always nice to see other perspectives on one of the wierdest events of my childood in my opinion.
thank god a lore channel that not AI
i dont think i’ve seen one elden ring lore channel done by ai. i’d kinda prefer them to the nasally british ones 😅 (not smough he’s great)
@@timelineenjoyer me neither, it either has a ASRM like narration or none at all
Are you drunk
@@timelineenjoyerI haven’t either. Warhammer however…
@@llab3903the warhammer ai channels are terrible, i could understand if they wrote the script and used an AI voice but they just chatGPT the script and call it a day and theyre all terrible
A very interesting look at the rivers and rot. Thanks for all the hard work in putting this video together. While I haven't put to much thought or investigation in this area myself, so much to look at in this world, I did have one small unimportant thing to share. The coffins, the text that makes them fly is Smithscript. Smithscript is formally introduced in the DLC with a series of weapons that can be thrown but will return to the wielder. These weapons have those symbols on them but for the best view the Smithscript shield icon is what you wanna look at. Unfortunately, this is one of those revelations that doesn't really offer much but scraps of certainty are very rare in Fromsoft Lore so anything you can take for 100% fact we gotta be thankful for lol.
@@Writh811 Thanks! That’s a very interesting connection I never noticed. Interestingly this seems to also be the same writing on the black knifeprint item.
Thanks being able to help me clarify connect the dots better on my thoughts on the Flower aspect of the Crucible
We have Miquella, reborn as a god of the same Light worshipped by the Hornsent,
and Malenia who, as this video posits, is part of, or related to, a consequence of the cruelties inflicted upon the Hornsent,
both being children of the unified Marika and Radagon, the union of whom has been theorized to be the product of the Hornsent’s jar-creation-experiments…
Perhaps it truly is all connected. Perhaps the curse mentioned by the Grandam runs even deeper than we suspected, beyond the appearance of Omen.
…this was a wonderful video. Honestly one of the best of its kind; succinct AND convincing. You had me hooked with the visual parallel of Malenia’s impaling grab attack and Romina’s stinger grab attack, which I had never considered before.
The only logistical issue I can see is the idea that Malenia’s curse, which she was born with, is related to Romina’s act of weaving the rot during/after the Crusade. It implies the Empyrean twins’ births would have been after the Crusade, which I don’t think many people would feel right in believing, even if there’s no real evidence pointing either way.
…that said, I personally wouldn’t let it matter much, because these kinds of things are imagination/vibes-based. If it’s cool to think about, it should be thought about. Connecting the two major instances of Scarlet Rot through the buds and through the rivers is a wonderful thing to ponder.
Keep up the great work!
Just found your channel and so glad! Great work!
13:06 what if… ALL of Marika’s children‘s afflictions come from hornsent curses. The omen curse is the most obvious one, but what if miquella’s eternal nascence and whatever took over godwyns corpse also comes from the hornsent
@@yunkinto This is definitely a possibility! The curse’s afflicting Marika’s children all seem to be tied to her past in some way. As you said, the curses of the omen twins, Malenia and maybe Miquella are likely linked to hornsent, but if we look at Messmer his curse might be more linked to the gloam eyed queen (who is associated with snakes).
1:05 first time i fought her i was so desperate, second time i was more chill, and i just noticed that not only that whole area feels like a Shadow Of The Colossus area, Romina battle music is also really reminiscing the SOTC songs
apt considering rauhs implied connection to the golems!
My personal pet theory is that the blind swordsman is just a personification of flowing water,
as in, you use flowing water to clean yourself and to wash away the rot,
some cultures might have deified and personified it as a grate protector from rot
This is a great way to look at and make sense of the lore. Everyone is trying to direct the flow of souls to their desired destination. It's a battle for souls. A spiritual war. We see it today and it's always been the case. Those fighting to shape your opinions and your reality and your belief system to fit their agenda are basically redirecting your soul to their own path.
Excellent video!!
Your theory...... 10/10. Good job!
great video! I’m definitely writing some stuff down as I was just looking for more information about golems myself lol 🫶 thank you for pointing out the crystal darts ~
Maybe the Nox were connected to the giant stone coffins. Maybe the Nox knew the giants of caelid and the mountain. They do show up next to water when Malenia bombed Radahn
@@Throne6810 The clayman bubble sorceries of the ancient dynasty do share a sigil with the Sellian/Nox spells, possibly implying a relation.
The production quality here is really high, Kudos. 1080p would have been nice though, it shows when you're watching on >1080p resolutions.
Great video! This topic is sorely under covered, as is the engineering of the waters and lands themselves.
I have a question for you as I have been pondering the lake of rot for some time. Why do you think it was made in the first place? Were the Nox attempting to amass spiritual energy with their damn? Why on earth is the other far side associated with Elden John and a more ritualistic ancient dynasty? Was this area meant as a repository for rot or is that a happy accident? And how on earth does the glintstone cluster /mushroom shelving at the center all play into this? The story of this region defies me still.
@@The808basshead Thanks! I agree the lake of rot is definitely a very interesting but mysterious region. Since we have so little information on the region, there are lots of valid theories. My interpretation is that the ancient dynasty ruins (grand cloister) predates the lake of rot, and that the blind swordsman defeated the god of rot there much later, possibly around the time of the Nox. When he defeated the god, it’s essence was sealed within the lake, making it the lake of rot. The Nox built the dam at this time so that no more spiritual energy would enter the lake in an attempt to prevent the spread of the rot.
It’s also very possible the ancient dynasty was involved with the god of rot though.
As for the glintstone cluster, if you check the map it is actually right under Raya Lucaria. Rot can infect glintstone, as we can see with the rotten cystallians, so maybe that is another source of energy for the rot. I also think the lake of rot could be the reason Liurnia is sinking into the water above ground. It’s definitely an interesting piece of world design.
In the scorched ruins of the gravesite plain, you can find a spirit of a hornsent weaving a curse on Marika's lineage. he says he will forge it from the raw resentment of his slain kin. Could this be why the Omen of the Lands between are haunted by bitter spirits? with their horns being a sign of spiritual potency, manifestations of the spirits of dead Hornsent haunting them would cause their horns to run even more wild than the Hornsent, because the Hornsent have horns as a controlled result of their spiritual practices, whereas the Omen have horns unwillingly as a result of their blood ties to Queen Marika tying them in to the curse wrought on her. Maybe these would have merely been people with a couple horns here and there, were it not for the spirits of the race Marika slaughtered clinging to them bitterly. All of these spirits were Crucible-touched. Makes sense that Omen horns grow beyond all reason. And if spirits travel through the water, then they aren't limited in their travel to and from the Realm of Shadow, as a massive bay-lake-thing is all that remains linking the land of shadow and the lands between physically.
Side note, in the Elder Scrolls series, water doesn't necessarily contain spirits themselves, but memory. Memory which is reabsorbed by all and accumulates in potency as experience passes. Interesting how both of these ideas contain the idea that water contains something of the dead that continues to shape the living ad infinitum.
I would love to see more discussing the death legacy of the palace ruins and if they connect to the Nox, as well as the Nox’s own connections with death. I was disappointed there wasn’t more revealed about them in the DLC.
@@brnecessities3335 The clayman bubble sorceries of the ancient dynasty do share a sigil with the Sellian/Nox spells, possibly implying a relation.
That’s a cool connection. I’m also curious how their relation to Marika’s shaman people relates to the broader story, like if the shamans are a separate group descending from the palace culture or something. Excited to see whatever else you plan on discussing!
Excellent video. Immediately subbed
Thank you for a good watch.
Is the runes on the stone coffins alike those on the weapons from Eochaid?
Hey its parallwl lmao
I personally think it would be a mischaracterization to say romina realized she could achieve divinity through the rot
Instead i think this is more akin to the bloodfiends, who in their grief, beheld their fallen ancestor, and in doing so beheld the formless mother
In other words, her grief revealed to her a divinity she was foreign to, and her grief imprinted on the rot in a way
@@parallellines2568 🚨Parallwl spotted 🚨
Yeah that’s fair, the way I worded it might have forced the goals of the hornsent onto Romina too much. Romina may not have wanted to achieve divinity through rot, but I think in creating the scarlet rot she imprinted the idea of blooming flowers to try to save the buds of her church. That blooming was a divine act which remained a path to divinity, but creating a god was likely not a goal of Romina, and more a byproduct.
@Stormking66324 i do like the idea that this is some form of extension of the hornsent's goals, only defiled by grief
First question response: ...I mean, I used a horse ox thing to do 99% of my traversal.
i love this vid
Great video… you will see me next time 🤘
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So wait, does that mean that from other cultures' perspective, my baptism was me getting pushed and pulled to and from the Underworld?
@@dgalloway107 Possibly! Another reason many rivers are connected to the underworld in myth is that they are thought to purify the soul. I’m not entirely familiar with the cultural basis of baptism, but I think it plays a similar role of purifying the spirit, just before you die instead of after!
@@Stormking66324 Well I'm apostate now, but I was raised baptist so its always nice to see other perspectives on one of the wierdest events of my childood in my opinion.
I like how the dlc explains how Marika got cursed to have cursed children
Bro, use a crossfade