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Can I get a link to that thumbnail? It's FIRE!

Objects of Faith and Intellect having the same origins is something that goes all the way back to Demon's Souls. "Regression is the pull of meaning; that all things yearn eternally to converge."

I think the elden beast landed in the village. There's the big crater in the village that has a golden light coming from its depths. Maybe Marika was seduced by promises of the Elden beast and then betrayed when she became nothing but a vessel for the elden ring.

Excellent video and I love the timeline of Merica’s rule!

19:21 I need to know what song this is!

traitorous means that they were once aligned but betrayed them.

After the dlc, the harpy song makes even more sense, mainly the part: “Golden one, at whom were you angry at ?”

Its difficult to hear you over the loud music.

Amazing video on Messmer. What is the ost at 20:20?

one note: i don't understand why you think the hornsents would put a curse only upon 2 of all Marika's children ? why only Mogh and Morgott ? in fact we have a proof in the dlc that this is not the case, they did put a curse upon everyone and each of her children: spirit NPC of the scorched ruins: "I know... All your resentment lingers yet... The raw stuff from which I shall surely forge a curse. Upon the bastard Messmer's head. Upon Marika's children each and all." each one of her children have a specific curse, and now we know why (as for Godwyn i invite you to look closely at the malformed dragon helm and ask yourself why and how the sentinels had this epiphany specifically)

I think Mesmer was the bastard son of marika and the snake lord and when she rose to godhod the divinity gate opened an access to the land between and she left it, Mesmer never saw his mother as growing up but countiued her vengeance and was surprised when a tarnished was sent to annilate him

That final shot with the ost is just so good

Theory: Godfrey was the Hornsent lord, who grew in size and lost his horns by consuming the dew of the Greattree. His trueborn sons both show horns, and cannot any longer consume the Greattree dew. The omen twins older brother was not born of Godfrey, but rather is an asexual offspring of Marikas who inherited her pure Golden hair and her pure melding ability(two traits his Godfrey Bros didn’t inherit)

That feeling when you pick up the tooth whip for the first time then realize what it means is a wild feeling

Well done!

The crucible and Marika/shamans have something in common. Both where mixing life.

Bro dropped a banger thinking im not gonna subscribe

Drivel. You aren't even conjecturing, you're just making things up. Radagon wasn't bonded with Marika yet, he was warlording around in Liurnia. Messmer was clearly written after the remembrance for Malenia was written, and you're presuming Marika's children being cursed is literal when their 'curses' are much more obviously explainable (Miquella leaks rejuvenating dew, hence the eternal youth, Malenia was possessed by an outer god).

Your use of music and imagery is amazing and brings me back to when I first started watching soulsborne lore videos

Great video exploring Marika's past. I disagree on some aspects, but we got a conscience narrative in how Messmer is truly a tragic figure in all of this. I have noticed that Marika's shaman youth could be despicted from the Nascent Butterfly. We do not get Miquella items by crafting them and we use a budding horn in tandem with them, not to mention that they are a rare drop from Ancestral Follower shamans. Anyways I am a firm believer that Marika is the GEQ and that the cycle of revenge between Marika and the Hornsent is the original sin.

I think Godfrey was a hornsent warrior king and he was seduced by marika

Messmer is aware of the tarnished despite being confined to the realm of shadow so the crusade has to have occurred some time after Marika sent Godwyn and his kin away. Personally, I don't like how late in the timeline its implied to be: how was an event and characters who existed alongside the golden order for so long so completely covered up and expunged from the Lands Between? Why did Marika wait so long to finish off the hornsent? My personal headcannon is that the crusade was one of Marika's first [secret] acts after ascending to godhood, and occurred either just before or concurrent with the war against the giants (while she directed all eyes towards the mountaintops, she directed her secret first born to carry out her true intentions, then covered up the whole thing after they had departed). Just makes for a tighter narrative that way imo (although it creates its own problems fitting Rellana and the Carians into the picture).

Where have you been all my tarnished life???

Man, this is so fucking sad. I love himmmmm! Great vid dude!

GG

Such an amazing video.... Didn't even realise how time flew while watching.... Much love ❤️ from India

Ive consumed so much elden ring content and about lore and theory and i just want to say i loved that.

19:56 this here, good reason to think why it would've been a whiiile after Marika ascended in Land of Shadow; it would've taken her and she would've wanted to take time to gather and grow a powerful standing force to send forth n destroy the Hornsent. Such a great world they've created ^_^ ~a random canadian subscriber dude

18:49 this right here is a REALLY compelling timeline, Messmer staying with the Carians, ooooooh =D Ty for the vid <3 ~a random canadian subscriber dude *constructive feedback, see what other commenters say: music audio level bit high when backgrounding your voice (wanna hear your voooice n details better. Am also dude in 40s, so maybe I am deaf heh)

Great video, love any little bit of lore or new takes I can get because LORD KNOWS miyazaki won't tell us lol

But morghott and mohg aren’t of the Radagon pairing so there goes that theory

What’s the OST that starts around 8:32? It’s so cool

Messmer's Not a demigod, fwiw, and Neither is Melina. He's simply "Demi-god Adjacent."

Wanton isn't pronounced like Won-ton (the Chinese food). The 'o' is pronounced more like a 'u'. Not a long 'u' like in "tune", but a short 'u' like in "fun".

He literally says o mother, just like the gesture. You’re the first person I’ve seen to notice the connection

Very well put, someone that isn’t trying to confuse people with nonsense like messmer is the child of the gloem eyed queen a video that came to the same conclusion as me but you should have mentioned that since radagon was at the divine gate that means he was the first Elden lord and Melina was also born before lord Godfrey became Elden lord

I’m grateful that content creators like you continue to produce Elden Ring dlc lore videos. I’m not sure why the big names haven’t made as many so keep it up!

this was a really good video. the ending got to me.

I know how it's spelled. But its pronounced JAIL... like siofra is pronounced SHEfra, and scadu is pronounced SHADOW

Editing Lucifer into Messmer for the thumbnail is pretty clean, ngl

Messmer did nothing wrong

A well done and accurate lore video? Impossible. Great job on this, I’m really enjoying it so far, the presentation is top notch. Not too sure if I agree with 13:05, I don’t think the Nox ever held the Elden Ring, in actuality I feel they are directly *opposed* to it, instead in search of their own Lord. I’m also not sure if the Hornsent built the Divine Gate to specifically claim the Elden Ring, but rather achieve Godhood/enlightenment. We see this through Miquella using the Divine Gate while the Elden Ring is still present within Marika, Miquella is still able to form his own Order while another is currently active. I actually think the idea of Order being represented by overlapping rings is not fundamental to the existence of the Elden Ring but merely a way it manifests when certain visions are impressed upon it (i.e. the Golden Order). There is also an important notice of an Order being enforced, to quote Miyazaki: “The rings that you’re looking at in the logo are not so much a representation of those factions, as you put it, but more a representation of the law of the world, the rules and the order. This Golden Order is something that the Elden Ring may have once represented, but not directly. It’s more about how you apply those rules and how you enforce them on the physical world and what effects they have on it. So it’s more the influence of these demigods that existed a long time before and how they applied these concepts of order and discipline. That’s what’s being represented by the Elden ring and these overlapping intersecting rings. It gets a little bit more complicated than that, but I’ll leave it there for now.” To put it into a formula, an Empyrean is someone who is born with the ability to create and house (on a divine level) higher ideologies, with the power of Divinity (light from the Greater Will) they are able to form their ideas and impress them upon reality itself, through strength you must enforce these rules and subject others under it, a dramatization of belief in a way-if no one believes in your ideology it has no power, only in the case of Elden Ring its literal. As for the Hornsent, I believe they completely subvert this system in favor of simply worshipping Divinity *itself,* rather than utilizing it. Here’s a few key reasons why: The Hornsent already have an aspect of Divinity within them, it is what grants them their budding horns. This leads them to worship these Divine aspects and thus attempt to amplify and understand them, but it does not lead them to forming these ideas into a higher belief, likely because they are already innate to the current and most intrinsic state of nature-the Crucible. The Hornsent clearly have the power to enforce any Order they chose, though they abide strictly by the Crucible and its nature. Miyazaki even said the Hornsent were the main governing force before the Erdtree in a pre-release interview, a culture of strength and a culture with no Order above the Crucible. The Hornsent are also able to produce Empyreans, we see this directly with the Empyrean Grandam, whose most prominent figure is her horn covered eyes. Eyes in Elden Ring are windows into one’s mind, and further what their belief is. Faith in the Golden Order is marked by Golden eyes, partaking in Dragon Communion grants serpentine red eyes as you delve into draconian nature, the Frenzied Flame is also expressed through the eyes before burning them out entirely, a marking of a completely lacking of mind and individuality. For the Empyrean Grandam it’s no wonder her eyes, a vessel for a possibly new ideology, are grown over by the primal ideology. Finally, the research found at Midra’s Manse could suggest the Hornsent are in fact ignorant of the Empyrean process and the Two Finger’s purpose as a whole. Within Midra’s Manse we can find pieces of the Finger Ruins veiled by yellow cloth scattered alongside the tortured and Frenzied shadows that inhabit the derelict abode, this to me is a key indicator of not only the Manse’s purpose but why also the cause of the inquisition. Midra, either by decree of the Hornsent or by his own behest sought deeper enlightenment through the mystery of the Finger Ruins, through this avenue of discovery did he find the ruinous Frenzied Flame driving him and the occupants of the Manse mad. To note, I’m not sure whether it was merely Midra glancing into the cosmological and being unable to comprehend what he saw driving him insane and causing the Flame to manifest (we see similar happening with the Frenzied dwellers within the Yelough Anix Ruins), or if it’s him literally encountering the Flame and Three Fingers themselves which caused his Frenzy (possibly it was both, or one led to the other, either way we know he encountered the Fingers from the fingerprints in the Manse). Due to this discovery the Hornsent issued an inquisition on his Manse causing a complete sealing off of his woods and a further festering of Frenzy via the torture implemented by the Inquisitors. From this end I believe the Hornsent fully forsook any further investigation of the Finger Ruins as result of the ruinous fate of Midra, causing them to further lack understanding of the “proper” causality of life, divinity, and Order. That’s it for now, excuse any mistakes I’m writing this incredibly late. If you, or anyone else, ends up seeing this I’d be interested in any comments. These are just my ideas and I’m still wrestling with them. Once again, great video, I’d highly recommend. Edit: just finished the video, holy shit man. Amazing work, already loved the first half, the second is simply sublime.

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Your thumbnail caught my interest your monotone and awful audio quality made me immediately lose it. Good luck to you and your channel sir 0:02

Just like the "curse" of the undead Marika's blessing couldn't cure Messmer, because he is already working as intended

Hey so um, this is utterly perfect. The speculation, the storytelling, everything is genuinely amazing. 🩷

Just a heads up, gaol is pronounced like jail.

I like your montage in the beginning. Very good video and research