What we need is the manual transmission brought back. People complain about different things relating to the automatic. People say the transmissions shifts too much, or too little, and all sorts of other things. To solve all of these issues, put the manual transmission back in and everyone will be happy.
@@rock-uu7qreh, not really. Those 10 speeds have 3 over drive gears and one extra under drive gear compared too an 8 speed. It’s useless too have 3 overdrives and it’s gonna hunt for gears a lot more and cook your transmission fluid leading too premature failure especially under load.
@@rock-uu7qr The ZF 8-speed is widely considered to be one of the best if not the best mass produced transmissions in the world. I can't speak to this heavy duty version but it's been perfect in my Gladiator. Honestly the best transmission I've owned in a truck and this is my 8th truck. It'll probably die tomorrow ha ha.
I was a life long ford guy I mean to the death, and ram has completely made me switch sides lately, with the styling awesome interiors spacious cabs and superior ride quality with a Cummins, and now a zf8 for the hd trucks as well!? I’m sold.
Too bad they took away the manual trans. I had a 2012 3500 with the 6.7 and a 6 spd manual. It needed a new clutch pretty quickly, but what a solid setup once I put a dual disc in it. I didn't know what I had at the time!
I had an 01 5.9 with a 6 speed a long time ago. Selling that was a mistake… now I’m waiting for when my dad wants to sell his 2014 with a 6 speed so I can buy it from him.
@@PolskmofoBringing the manual transmission back will stop everyone's problems with the automatics' shift patterns. The driver gets to choose when to shift.
The 8 speed ZF has been a workhorse for years. Im glad to see its involvement in the heavier series. Its easily a transmission, maybe even one of all time!
Looks like way too much transmission for a 3/4 ton , it’s specs align with the Allison 3000 series we run in our class 8 trucks,but with less torque capacity. Probably perfect for the 3500-5500 series Chassis cabs .
@@UTBanjoit still had better payload and towing than a half ton, just not quite as much as the one ton. I got a Ram 3500 not for the extra capability, but because it's the only one that offered a reliable transmission (Aisin). As a transmission mechanic, I will never own a 68rfe powered truck. I look forward to a ZF8 Cummins 3/4 ton.
@@UTBanjoI don't use my truck to haul stuff in the bed. I use it to tow my 16k pound 5th wheel, my 8k Pound (empty) gooseneck with my Jeep, Suburban, Kubota, and steel on it. Or my Gooseneck Dump trailer. I've also had almost 3k in Laminate Flooring in the bed of my truck and a 3k Camper in the bed. Was definitely fun with the factory air and sway but it handled the weight without a problem. 🤷🤷 Love my 2500 CCLB w/ Factory Air.
I just rolled 300k on my 6 speed. Admittedly, i dont tow heavy loads, but 300k with zero hiccups seems good to me. Also, zero engine, fuel, turbo issues either.
Looking forward to this new transmission, really hope it proves to be a good unit. The 10 speeds have developed some less than stellar reputations, hopefully this kicks them in the rear and helps to get them sorted. Great video, looking forward to the next one.
ZF makes transmissions for Formula 1 cars, LaMans, Grand Prix, the ZR 1 vet, semi trucks, the 91 -92 Pontiac Fire Hawk, ships, planes, helicopters. I’m glad Ram stayed with ZF.
It's a premium product for sure. But it costs more to pay ZF royalties. Then they have to pay Cummins it's share. That's why to compete with Ford, the have to build them in Mexico vs the USA. To keep costs down. I like ram
Kinda funny, in the marine world they are #2 in a field of two. They still work and are cheaper, but twin disc they are not. Just kinda weird to hear the spoken of in hused and reverent tones.
Wipe off your chin buddy… lolol. Everyone loves a HD truck that drives like a box truck… If history is a good example, Ram will figure out a way to screw the trans up.
This is my third Ram pick up truck, One 3.0 liter Turbo diesel (2015) and one 5,7 liter (2020) both with ZF transmission. What a breeze this ZF transmission; reliable, smooth and well calibrated. My new 3500 with the HO Cummins is a totally different story; slow, bumpy and lacking gears. Very often instead of changing gears, they use the turbo pressure to compensate for the lack of gears and it is slow to adjust to my commands. I have the feeling to drive a CVT….. Looking forward to go back to my ZF sweetheart!
That's because the Aisin is basically an industrial Toyota transmission. It's made to tow, not be comfortable. Which is backwards for the half tons. Which are comfortable and useless.
The Duke says, exactly. If it isn't designed to handle 1,000 ft lb of torque, what good is it? Sounds like it's an old design from the panzers in world war II. Oh and by the way, panzers can only drive a few miles before the transmission went out. The transmissions were terrible. Just saying. What did I teach you?
I have a Jeep Wrangler EcoDiesel with the ZF. I love the way that transmission runs, it’s like it’s designed to protect itself and work the engine instead. Very conservative with gearing and shifts. It also seems to defuel at shifts. Can’t wait to see the bigger brother of it.
This what irritates me about buying an American truck. You rarely are buying an American truck. Yes it assembled in North America but you’ll find components from all over the world. Come on Detroit, make America great again!
Bien waiting on Ram to update there transs couldn't justify $75k+ on a ram truck with a 6spd trannny that will help me pull that trigger on a new Ramm just got wait en see know on🤙🏽🤙🏽 great video💯🤙🏽
I'm glad I held off buying a new Ram. I was in the market for a 16+ 3500HO Mega/dually max tow air/4.10 gears for awhile until I decided to keep my 99' 7.3 F250 4r100(4 Speed)once I installed gear vendor unit which allows me to "split the gears" which is technically a 8-speed now it made a tremendous difference towing a 40' triple axle 5w toy hauler on the highway and up steep hills. As a guy that works on his on stuff the I6 Cummins is a dream to work on compared to a Duramax or the 6.7 Power-stroke rats nest with the Power-stroke being that absolute worse with everything stacked on top of each other(Hot V Turbo Engine). On top of that every time I see a hotshot truck on the highway 9/10 its a Ram 2500/3500HD .The ease of accessing different components cannot compare to a I6 with the intake components on one side and the exhaust on the other. Honestly the Cummins doesn't need a 10 speed it just needed 1 extra gear but 2 more huge game changer. I wouldn't doubt that it will have a higher towing capacity than the new F-450 H.O
Yeah the HO w/ the ZF in the 2500 is making me seriously considering a new truck. And I was never planning on selling the truck I have. Maybe someone will figure out how to swap the ZF into older trucks. My "Standard Output" 2500 is already tuned and set up how I like it. Transmission is the only thing I've been nervous about. I was thinking of just doing an Ally swap but the ZF is looking nice!!
@@wj2791 piece of mind personally. I tow fairly heavy (for my 2500) frequently. 5th Wheel is 16k wet, Gooseneck with a Truck bed camper on the front for long distance wheeling trips is 15k with my Jeep and gear. And occasionally I'll move my Kubota M62 Backhoe which is 13k including the trailer. So far my 68RFE has been ok (knock on wood) big with 35s and a Tow Tune I can definitely see the difference in Trans Temps and pulling hills even with the Transmission locked out of 5th and 6th. My old Duramax would hail the exact same loads without blinking transmission wise. But I def prefer my Cummins. A transmission swap has always been the plan when the 68 gives up the magic smoke. ROI is me keeping the truck I really like that's setup how I like and almost paid off vs trading it in for a new truck that's likely going to be 90k for a similar package and I still will have to do my Suspension Tunes Wheels and Tires over again to the tube of another $8k to $10k.
I think there is one thing to consider. Just like the new 10 speed “Allison” in the Duramax is not exactly the same as the 10 speed Allison behind the 6.6 gas engine, doesn’t mean Ram didn’t send their own specs to ZF…
I think it should be called a Allison like the old real Allison manufactured tranns it's just a Joke🤡🤡 calling it Allison trannny get the 10spn got approved by Allison but it's not and Allison what a joke🤡🤡😪
@@jamesgeorge4874 I have been reading press releases about this transmission and the new facility that this transmission will be built at for the past 4 years. This transmission was designed and built with the Ram HD in mind right from the beginning. Will it slide into other applications? Yeah, but the main focus was the Ram.
It's not an Allison transmission since 2019. Truthfully it's just Allison tested and stamped. The 10 speed in Ford and Chevy are not great transmissions.
@samuelhatch8470 thats way it should be called Allison transmission😵😵 even though it was tested by them... Chevy is weak on that move for that its like Ram making there own engine try say it's a Cummings😵 what a joke my manon Chevy's behave🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️😂🤡🤡😵
If you ignore the millions of failures in the 1989 and up previous gens that took them 20 years to fix . Heard of one ,million mile Cummins Dodge truck ,that was on its 9 th transmission .
2025 ram cummins 450 horse and 1100 foot pounds of torque . There will only be one engine 450 horse across the board with one transmission across the board .
Hey hey hey leave the failure transmissions to the 94-up the first gens were decent. Idk about that 727 but my A518 has given me 400K without an issue just fluid and filter changes.
Ram has always been backwards .they give more gears for the gas engines that need to rev for power and less gears for the diesel that is agoveren lower rpm . In 03 diesel 4 speed gas 6 speed the diesel 6 speed gas 8 speed what was ram thinking .
The 68RFE is not a bad transmission. Are there better ones out there? I have no doubt. Can this be a positive outcome for the RAM HD family? I'm sure it will be. Having said that, I still say the 68RFE is not a bad tranny. Unfortunately, it's gotten a lot of flak over the years. It's my opinion that most of the issues arise from modifications to the vehicle. Whether it be engine tuners, oversized wheels/tires, lifts, etc. I own one that is all original and have never had an issue with it. I've known others who have owned them for years w/o mods as well and they never seem to have any problems either. I'm convinced that people are unknowingly wrecking their own trucks to include transmissions by doing all these mods and then blaming the manufacturer when it goes boom. I see just as many Ford's and Chevy's in the shop for self-induced problems just the same as RAM. The engineers design them for specific things and then people buy them and add a bunch of stuff that was never in the plans of the vehicles original design. Maybe people here will disagree with me on all this, but these are my own observations on the subject.
I know a guy with a concrete cutting business. He has an 04 3500 qc longbed. He hauls his equipment in the utility bed. He's got 364 K on his 68RFE beating the shit out of it. Regular trans service, a new valve body and a torque convertor in all these years.
You seem very “Getty” about this! 😜. It will be interesting what gearing they offer. My 2023 chevy 3500 6.6 gasser has a 3:73. Wish it had a 4:10 option. The 8 speed in the Cummins might tempt me to switch in 5 years.
Now, there are many issues with this info. The powerline that will be available in the pickups WILL NOT BE THE SAME AS THE CLASS 8 trucks. Same case, different internals. The Allison 1000 was over built for a 2000s era truck. The Allison 1000 isn't really a heavy duty transmission. The 1000 and 2000 ate the same case with different gears(straight vs helical cut gears). That comes down to noise. The 1000 and 2000 were never rated over over 26,001lbs gross(GVWR or GCWR) there was a Allison 1350(GCWR 30,000lbs) only for RVs and there were the 2500/2550 that were rated to 30,000lbs aswell(different ratios). Fords 6R140 has a GCWR or 50k now. Looking at the 10R140 it's at 48000lbs(F450 High capacity gooseneck package) 46,700lb stan dard. The only Aisin over 22,500lbs is the AS69RC in the Ram. That 1000lbft is the commercial spec(class 5-8) transmissions, and the Aisin isn't in an application over that in the commercial arena either. The Aisin just like the Allison are great transmission when used at the design capacity. Allison's would go into limp mode as soon as people started adding power, not that something was wrong, the electronics detected more slip that allowed(way more torque than designed to handle). Personally I hated(and still do) the Allison 1000s and the 3000 series, and dislike the 4000 series I have driven. I only seem to like the B500 and B500R, but these are 13-15L engines sending power through them. I don't mind them as the shift strategy only relies on the torque converter in 1st gear and part of 2nd. I dont care for many 6 speeds, the 8s in the rams are ok but smaller steps(more gears) makes for more efficient torque delivery(torque is the ONLY FORCE). If the powerline is only available with the 1000lbft input, it won't be a popular option in the class 8 segment, any truck I have driven at 56k or more always had 1150lft or more, and that's a dog of a truck. Highway coaches are 54-56k and they all have 410hp/1550lbft or more, that's the slower accelerating ones. Those 9,12, and 16speeds are all AUTOMATED MANUALS. Very differnt animals, the 12spd(Freedomline 12spd) came out in the early 90s. This ZF Powerline has been in service for almost 4 years. There is a video of a Ram 3500 with a powerline as a testbed for. 5 years ago. It's a 2019 interior. 2nd gear start, they have been tested I am sure there are more than a few school buses out there with them. There are only 2 engines available with the Powerline transmission. Both are Cummins the PX7 and PX9 only in Paccar trucks. Neither are popular or sold I huge numbers. Allison has a comparison video to the ZF powerline and they say at best this is a 2500RDS competitor. That's a bit below 56k GVW. They also point out the PLASTIC oil pan, TCM in the oil pan and a lack of fill points. Personally I wouldn't by it. The Aisin is probably a better transmission. Stepping up the automotive transmission isn't a great idea. Look at the 68RFE(beefed up 545RFE). I think Ford is still going to DOMINATE the HD pickup truck sales.
5.7 HEMI and ZF 8-speed AT is the best powertrain combo available in a half-ton truck. I have been saying this for many years now. Thanks, Alex. You are a smart man. Appreciate your content.
Thanks for the info. It's sad Ram can't get it together. They always sucked on transmission builds! The Hindenburg ZF transmission will fail! It's designed in Germany for Americans! 🎉🎉🎉
Great video! I love this Power Wagon 🤗👍 ZF = Zahnradfabrik (Gear Factory) Friedrichshafen (the city where it was founded) Greetings from Germany! 🇨🇦 🇩🇪
@@TheGettyAdventures Thank you for your great videos, Alex! I learnt already so much about trucks. These are not so common over here; but I guess their popularity is growing. Pronounciation was excellent, keep it up! 👍
Well the powerline is rated at 1000 lb/ft for 56k pounds, if the 3500 tops out at 35k maybe they can bump up the input torque spec accordingly? So those 2 ratings go hand and hand wouldn't they?
Kinda dumb that Ram has ZF build a transmission for there diesel that’s not even capable of handling the torque of the Cummings! So it’s probably an off the shelf tranny , all the talk how heavy duty it is but not rated for the motor it’s supposed to back up ! Ram 😮
I did find that a little odd myself. ZF is not directly building this for Ram so In guess you call it an off the self. But I have no doubt this ZF will be a fantastic transmission once they figure that out.
did you read the next couple lines down???...that 1,000 ft-lbs is also for a vehicle with a 57,000 lb GCWR. MAYBE Ram & ZF worked out something to increase the input torque rating by not using the trans in vehicles at that full GCWR.
Serios observation here. I don't understand why we're not manually shifting anymore. Why has pulling a load become so technical? My old 7.3 F-350 4X4 dually with a 6 speed manual did a fine job. I don't pull anymore and my old truck is long gone but is there just absolutely no market for a manual truck?
If you want a real truck just buy a Sport Chassis M2 Freightliner which may...or may not...come with stick shift(dual clutch.) That truly is something you can put millions of miles on but of course need to pay for that biggest problem still being Def Fluid and why I got out of trucking. Automatic transmission in an M2 is even more amazing and helps with keeping both hands on the wheel I think is the point...or why I chose to stick with an automatic Class 8 when I had one as a "temporary" anyways. Always hated Dodge Trucks because of the chassis with an horrific scandal of axles coming off back in the 1990s that never made the news before being sold to I think Mercedes-Benz back in the 1990s who didn't do all that much to fix the problem. Looking at these massive machines though and it would appear that issue has at least been seriously addressed anyways. This transmission combined with a straight 6 Dodge is also coming out with could really shock GM and Ford at how robust these massive machines are compared to their offerings. Everyone is starting to feel the pressure from pure play BEV full size trucks suddenly and yes they have zero transmission and yes they have instant torque to go with that. Plus the Cybertruck for as long as it stays in production is an actual Tank so trust me if you just happen upon one it will amaze just to try and put a dent into...plus is all stainless steel. #crazy having said that pure play ICE Platform remains super competitive with also Toyota and Nissan having full size though no heavy duty...all with automatic transmissions very true. Wouldn't be surprised to see a return to a manual if pricing pressures start to get really intense tho as is already true in the F150, 1500 for GM and Dodge, Tundra, Titan even Honda is making an 8 cylinder outboard motor for boats. I think the point of these transmissions is to produce massive amounts of low end torque in the meantime and also relatively okay fuel economy. One huge advantage of high displacement engines over where the industry except Ford and GM have gone is that heavy displacement actually produces far less emissions as it operates at much low rpms. If that's enough to get rid of the crazy engine killing Def monster might be worth ... half of what is currently asked anyways..
If the price is under $55k😵 (being generous on the price mark🏷)on the Manuel trannny then okay but if it's any were over that no thank new generation new tech got get away from Manuel as fast as possible💯🤙🏽 especially paying over $70k+ on thise Diesel trucks gorgeous by the away on all of thise Diesel truck🤩🤩
myself I would love it, but it would have to be a heavy clutch on there to hold all that torque. the fourth gen rams with the manuals actually cut torque from the cummins behind the clutch couldn't handle the power. But I think Ram knowns a manual is cool but probably would not sell and they would be at a loss developing it.
@@lauderdalechad people that need these trucks for their intended purpose would. I had a manual 94 that I hauled a case dozer and 416 cat all around the area. 225 k miles with same clutch and transmission. Unit was bulletproof. The auto transmission for work trucks are a solution looking for a problem.
@@VHP7044 consumers have spoken loud and clear, maybe 10ppl out of 10,000 want a manual. Automatics do the job better, more efficient, and can handle way more power. Thousands of hot shot drivers with 300k miles plus on their stock autos are the proof. You, my friend, are a very very small minority that simply lives in the "good ol days" that weren't actually that good
Minutes 12:13 about getting a code i think it shouldn't be much trouble dropping a transmission out of the truck then separating the cab and chassy like Ford to work on some parts of the engine so pulling down trannns no biggie lol that i straight forward process
Hoo ray Alex! Love whatever flavor ZF transmission come in! I have one in my Dodge Challenger behind the 6.4 Hemi, I have one in my Jeep Wrangler behind the 6.4 Hemi, and my Gladiator, even though its behind the pentastar. yeah I get it, that one is not as strong as the ZF 8 HD's but its great also. NOW the big question, do you think they will have a kit to let you put that Big ZF behind the Cummins 5.9? That would be awesome! I have been waiting years, trying to keep that that 48RE shifting smooth in my 05 Dodge Cummins. But I tell you, only four gears, it sure could use the ZF8 HD! Wouldn't that be great! No DEF and a ZF ! Nirvana! Awesome video's Alex, best regards chuck😁
Chuck you have got a small collection of vehicles I see! But hey I agree the 8 speeds so far have been wonderful units for Chrysler/fiat. It would be very cool to put an 8 speed behind a 5.9 but you may need a little elbow grease to make that combo work lol
Thanks so much for this Video I have been waiting for them to update the Ram HD, I am itching to buy one and I have started to look at the Fords and Chevys but with this info I'll hold tight for 2025 and see what happens. Please Ram WOW us so I can come buy my 3500
They had a perfect transmission in their HD trucks. It was called the G56. Unfortunately their main demographic has been pussified into a fat, lazy country of convenience and rowing gears is “just too much work, 😭 “
I am really surprised you barely mentioned the aisin transmission that comes with the HO Cummins. I have a 2018 ram 3500 dually with 90k miles now, pulling a fifth wheel all over the us and canada. You never really said why is 8 speed better than the aisin 6speed. More is not necessarily better. Larry😊
the aisin has been rock solid. ive had 5 trucks with the aisin 6speed all have been rock solid. they tow everyday and get drain and fills every 25k miles filters every 50k. no issues no complaints hopefully they will still offer the aisin at least in the tradesman work truck 3500 models
Man I’m absolutely excited too see when these come out. Not a fan of the 10 speeds in the gm’s and the fords they’re really jerky and unpredictable. Ram has been killing it with their trucks
Jerky? I have a 22 duramax, the 10L1000 is smooth as butter and had been for 32k…not even a hiccup. I had to buy a banks gauge because I couldn’t feel it shift and didn’t know what gear I was in. It’s that smooth.
I think it's a good choice to wait for this transmission rather than trying to put something like an 8hp75 on the 6.7L diesel. Better to have less gears, then to have gears that cannot handle their workload.
8:31 you said this is a 10 speed transmission, you are incorrect. They did not go away from the allison 1000 6 speed transmission until 2020, the truck you are standing by is very clearly a 2017-2019 GMC.
In my opinion, the 6.7 HO paired with the ZF 8 speed that I think will be made to cope with maybe 1300lbft is a winner. I think the 8 speed is ideal as a 10 speed would be changing gear too much.
I wonder if I can get one for my 2014 ram 2500. I bought her with only 70,500 miles on the OD. No bullshit. Laramie longhorn crew cab with the scrollwork or whatever you call it in the stitching.
Id wager that the new transmissions sky high tow rating of 55K is certified reliable with 1000lbs or less of torque. Certify that trans for 40,000lbs and I bet you can bump the input torque rating up to 1100 or 1200 for the same durability.
We can’t wait!!! Thank you for update on that. Hope the prices will come down. The Aisin transmission won’t be beat for heavy duty. but it’s not for every day driver but heavy duty. We need a smoother better driving tranny that is reliable. Also. The Allison tranny is not a Allison anymore even tho they have the badge.
This is great. But same old dodge /ram. I don’t understand why they don’t get together with Cummins and ZF and design a transmission specifically for the platform. Especially since Cummins and ZF have been paired so many times before. Seems to be with the two of them getting together to build a transmission for the Cummins platform in the ram trucks would be a no brainer.
At least this will be a real ZF transmission unlike GM using fake Allison transmissions in their 2500 and 3500 trucks that 10 speed is a Ford/GM collaboration
The 10 speed in the gm trucks was a joint venture with ford .when the zf 8 speed transmission comes out there will be only one output cummi s. It will be 450 hp 1100 foot pounds of torque .ram doesnt have enough clean air credits for more power .
LOL, Dodge and"bulletproof transmission" do not belong in the same sentence. That thing is probably going to be as junk as the 68RFE and twice the cost to repair.
I really wouldn't use the term bulletproof for anything remotely related to Stellantis. My '14 GC has a ZF tranny but it was build by Stellantis boys under license not Germans.
Just got out of a 21 Powerstroke because I just didn't like that 10 speed. Never owned a ram but I don't know, maybe I'll have to give them a look now.
Its not the transmission per se thats the problem. The problem is that it only has 6 speeds. Engines with a narrow range of peak torque need lots of closely spaced gears to perform well. The Cummins has always needed more gears to keep the engine in its peak torque range, and while Chevy and Ford have 10 speeds behind engines that have a greater range of peak torque than the Cummins, the Dodge 8 speed seems late to the party. The Cummins already needed a 10 speed to be competitive and its only going to get and 8 speed- next year 🙄
I love my 68rfe. I’ve got a custom built and tuned one but it’s a beast. That said I can’t wait for Ram to release this Cummins ZF setup and work out the bugs. I’ll be buying one
They finally are getting something more than 6speed…. But to call the ZF bulletproof. It hasn’t been behind the weight of a truck yet nor dealt with the torque
The gmc you showed never came with the 10 speed allison that was the next generation... but yeah the gm designed "allison" definitely pisses on Allison's name
you won't have problems with the Aisin in your truck, they are built stoutly and very high quality internals, when your hauling heavy you don't need 10 speeds, you need reliability in extreme conditions, hot or cold, and when the competition is hauling heavy loads they are not in 10th gear , they are in 5th or 6th maybe , thats where its needed, with over 40 yrs in the heavy equipment industry and lots of exposure to Aisin, any issues were usually owner /operator neglect, ZF also has a very coloured history and built shit transmissions in the 80's for a large part of the European car companies and they were garbage and brought ZF close to losing all these manufacturers, these included Volvo and Saab AB, commercial trucks, so yes ZF is good, it is no better than an Aisin transmission 👍
@@99unclebob Absolutely love the Aisin in the 2024 year model. It's engagement and shifts are near perfect. Weather Initial Engagement, Heavy towing or Empty the Aisin senses and engages perfectly to match the conditions at hand. With the bonus of a Sturdy, Proven Build.
Almost 900k on my 2016 3500 aisin srw going for at least a million or 1.2. Can't tune it but don't care don't want to blow it up, the shifting seems lazy sometimes depending on throttle input but it's been like that since day one. Seems like it protects itself. Even after extending the fluid intervals to 100 drain and fill and another 100 K with filter replacement I'm always amazed how clean the pan is
Dodge hasn't had a good reputation when it comes to the automatic transmissions they put behind the Cummins and that engine has always deserved to have a good trans behind it but never got it. Years ago there was a rumor going around that Dodge was considering putting a Allison behind the Cummins but I think they didn't like the price tag on the Allison.
It sounds like they’re doing the same old thing take a transmission from a gas and put it behind a Diesel. That’s not even gonna be rated for what the high output puts out. Why even bother it’s gonna be the same transmission problems.
Look I’ll give ford full credit for building their powerstroke and driveline in house. But at if the partnership works to make a good product so be it.
Same goes for Chevy then. The duramax is made by Isuzu and the transmission is Allison. Ford is the only one out of the big three that makes their own power train with the 6.7 Powerstroke.
I’ll take a Cummins and ZF over whatever garbage they would make themselves. I appreciate they use the expertise and billions of dollars in R&D other companies have invested.
The Duke says, at least Ford motors and transmissions and everything else are made in America. Can't say that about ram. Now they're putting parts made by the Nazis. Did you see the video? Panzer tanks... Really? Do the new Rams come with bumper stickers that say" I did that", or build back better? I'll stick to my American-made F550. What did I teach you?
10:31 These numbers are for a vehicle that are much heavier than the RAM HD. With the lighter weight of the RAM HD, the torque number will go up. @TheGettyAdventures
It would make sense, I guess that 1000 lb-ft is a little more abstract but thats why I wanted to touch on it because I wasn't sure what the end result would be for the HO cummins.
Did you look into it yet???? You might want to do another video about it. The ZF spec sheet is throwing a lot of people off. Class 5 trucks (as seen on the right side of the spec sheet) weight 16,001-19,500 pounds. RAM HD trucks are Class 2A at 6,001-8,500 pounds. That’s a huge difference. I’m sure there’s a formula that can give us the estimated torque numbers of the ZF under the RAM HD. 😉
so, @ The Getty Adventures …please explain exactly what about the 68RFE is “holding back” the 6.7 Cummins. I realize the greater number of forward gear ratios the better the chance of finding an optimum ratio for a given load and road conditions. I have. 6.7 Cummins Ram and have towed extensively with it an 18ft HD trailer (est. 2700#) and loads there on up to about 6k additional wt. My routes have included flatlands and mountainous terrain in CO, AR, PA, TN etc. Never had any reason to think my eng/trans combo was deficient. Be interested your ‘reasoning’ to support your opinion. Before this truck, I had an ‘04 5.9 Cummins with a 4 speed Mopar automatic and towed with it extensively for 97xxx miles…no complaints. 0:17
That’s because you’ve only hauled 8,700lbs. Pull some more weight. That said 68rfe stock nowadays are not bad. RAM owners just beat on their trucks without doing proper maintenance unlike the other two, rarely see them hauling anything.
That’s because you’ve only hauled 8,700lbs. Pull some more weight. That said 68rfe stock nowadays are not bad. RAM owners just beat on their trucks without doing proper maintenance unlike the other two, rarely see them hauling anything.
What we need is the manual transmission brought back. People complain about different things relating to the automatic. People say the transmissions shifts too much, or too little, and all sorts of other things. To solve all of these issues, put the manual transmission back in and everyone will be happy.
I special order a 2007 with a manual.
This has been LONG overdue for the Cummins!
long overdue and still behind sadly why cant they get there shit together
@@rock-uu7qrwhy is it behind?
@@wizard_of_poz4413 duramax makes less power and still tows better due to its 10 speed. Dodge needs to get a 10 speed
@@rock-uu7qreh, not really. Those 10 speeds have 3 over drive gears and one extra under drive gear compared too an 8 speed. It’s useless too have 3 overdrives and it’s gonna hunt for gears a lot more and cook your transmission fluid leading too premature failure especially under load.
@@rock-uu7qr The ZF 8-speed is widely considered to be one of the best if not the best mass produced transmissions in the world. I can't speak to this heavy duty version but it's been perfect in my Gladiator. Honestly the best transmission I've owned in a truck and this is my 8th truck. It'll probably die tomorrow ha ha.
I was a life long ford guy I mean to the death, and ram has completely made me switch sides lately, with the styling awesome interiors spacious cabs and superior ride quality with a Cummins, and now a zf8 for the hd trucks as well!? I’m sold.
I have aisin in mine.no problems for past 260k .been hotshoting and hauling containers since day 1. Lets hope zf hold up just as good.
I have heard good things about the Aisin. How often do you change filter and fluid?
Too bad they took away the manual trans. I had a 2012 3500 with the 6.7 and a 6 spd manual. It needed a new clutch pretty quickly, but what a solid setup once I put a dual disc in it. I didn't know what I had at the time!
I had an 01 5.9 with a 6 speed a long time ago. Selling that was a mistake… now I’m waiting for when my dad wants to sell his 2014 with a 6 speed so I can buy it from him.
@@PolskmofoBringing the manual transmission back will stop everyone's problems with the automatics' shift patterns. The driver gets to choose when to shift.
Noisy suckers though. I don't tow or carry a camper anymore so I'm going back to dmf and the near silent trans.
The 8 speed ZF has been a workhorse for years. Im glad to see its involvement in the heavier series. Its easily a transmission, maybe even one of all time!
Of all the transmissions they've put in these trucks, this is definitely one of them.
Looks like way too much transmission for a 3/4 ton , it’s specs align with the Allison 3000 series we run in our class 8 trucks,but with less torque capacity. Probably perfect for the 3500-5500 series Chassis cabs .
ABOUT. DAMN. TIME!
I might actually be interested in a RAM 2500 for once now
IMHO a diesel 3/4 ton is a useless truck. Why buy an HD truck with the payload capacity of a half ton?
@@UTBanjo I agree. Will never buy a 3/4 with a 10000lbs rating
@@UTBanjoit still had better payload and towing than a half ton, just not quite as much as the one ton. I got a Ram 3500 not for the extra capability, but because it's the only one that offered a reliable transmission (Aisin). As a transmission mechanic, I will never own a 68rfe powered truck. I look forward to a ZF8 Cummins 3/4 ton.
@@UTBanjoI don't use my truck to haul stuff in the bed. I use it to tow my 16k pound 5th wheel, my 8k Pound (empty) gooseneck with my Jeep, Suburban, Kubota, and steel on it. Or my Gooseneck Dump trailer. I've also had almost 3k in Laminate Flooring in the bed of my truck and a 3k Camper in the bed. Was definitely fun with the factory air and sway but it handled the weight without a problem. 🤷🤷
Love my 2500 CCLB w/ Factory Air.
This is exciting. I bought my ram mainly for the 8hp70.
Can't wait to see that transmission in a 3500 Cummins pickup
I just rolled 300k on my 6 speed. Admittedly, i dont tow heavy loads, but 300k with zero hiccups seems good to me. Also, zero engine, fuel, turbo issues either.
Looking forward to this new transmission, really hope it proves to be a good unit. The 10 speeds have developed some less than stellar reputations, hopefully this kicks them in the rear and helps to get them sorted. Great video, looking forward to the next one.
More parts, less reliable. It's always been that way. 10 gears is too many.
ZF makes transmissions for Formula 1 cars, LaMans, Grand Prix, the ZR 1 vet, semi trucks, the 91 -92 Pontiac Fire Hawk, ships, planes, helicopters. I’m glad Ram stayed with ZF.
It's a premium product for sure. But it costs more to pay ZF royalties. Then they have to pay Cummins it's share. That's why to compete with Ford, the have to build them in Mexico vs the USA. To keep costs down. I like ram
Forgot pdk from Porsche designed with porsche the best trans out there
Kinda funny, in the marine world they are #2 in a field of two. They still work and are cheaper, but twin disc they are not. Just kinda weird to hear the spoken of in hused and reverent tones.
And Prevost busses…. 500 HP and 1500lbft
I love your content man, the different cuts between all the trucks and how well it flows is really good, love watching your videos
Appreciate it sir. I had fun looking into these 8 speeds.
Wipe off your chin buddy… lolol. Everyone loves a HD truck that drives like a box truck… If history is a good example, Ram will figure out a way to screw the trans up.
This is my third Ram pick up truck, One 3.0 liter Turbo diesel (2015) and one 5,7 liter (2020) both with ZF transmission. What a breeze this ZF transmission; reliable, smooth and well calibrated. My new 3500 with the HO Cummins is a totally different story; slow, bumpy and lacking gears. Very often instead of changing gears, they use the turbo pressure to compensate for the lack of gears and it is slow to adjust to my commands. I have the feeling to drive a CVT….. Looking forward to go back to my ZF sweetheart!
That's because the Aisin is basically an industrial Toyota transmission. It's made to tow, not be comfortable. Which is backwards for the half tons. Which are comfortable and useless.
@@SupramanTRDIt's reliable but has way too few gears!
How is it rated for class 8 trucks but only handles 1000 lb-ft torque? Maybe I missed something?
Im studying input tq now… it may be the torque converter that allows u to go beyond but im not sure
The Duke says, exactly. If it isn't designed to handle 1,000 ft lb of torque, what good is it?
Sounds like it's an old design from the panzers in world war II. Oh and by the way, panzers can only drive a few miles before the transmission went out. The transmissions were terrible. Just saying.
What did I teach you?
I have a Jeep Wrangler EcoDiesel with the ZF. I love the way that transmission runs, it’s like it’s designed to protect itself and work the engine instead. Very conservative with gearing and shifts. It also seems to defuel at shifts. Can’t wait to see the bigger brother of it.
This what irritates me about buying an American truck. You rarely are buying an American truck. Yes it assembled in North America but you’ll find components from all over the world. Come on Detroit, make America great again!
What from this video irritates you? Didnt he say that the transmission is built in South Carolina?
I think he's upset the bolts and things of that sort are possibly made in other countries @@ALMX5DP
What moment in time was Detroit, MI great? .. Music you say? .. Agreed 1000%. ..
Detroit needs to get their shit together first! I will always buy American cars only but damn some of them need better QC
@@michaelschneider-loved Motown
Hmm, figures. I finally break down and spend $70K on a new truck, and all of a sudden, HEY, we are upgrading the transmission to a new one.
Bien waiting on Ram to update there transs couldn't justify $75k+ on a ram truck with a 6spd trannny that will help me pull that trigger on a new Ramm just got wait en see know on🤙🏽🤙🏽 great video💯🤙🏽
agreed I could not wrap my head around getting a 6.7 cummins with a lacking 6 speed 68RFE behind it.
I'm glad I held off buying a new Ram. I was in the market for a 16+ 3500HO Mega/dually max tow air/4.10 gears for awhile until I decided to keep my 99' 7.3 F250 4r100(4 Speed)once I installed gear vendor unit which allows me to "split the gears" which is technically a 8-speed now it made a tremendous difference towing a 40' triple axle 5w toy hauler on the highway and up steep hills. As a guy that works on his on stuff the I6 Cummins is a dream to work on compared to a Duramax or the 6.7 Power-stroke rats nest with the Power-stroke being that absolute worse with everything stacked on top of each other(Hot V Turbo Engine). On top of that every time I see a hotshot truck on the highway 9/10 its a Ram 2500/3500HD .The ease of accessing different components cannot compare to a I6 with the intake components on one side and the exhaust on the other. Honestly the Cummins doesn't need a 10 speed it just needed 1 extra gear but 2 more huge game changer. I wouldn't doubt that it will have a higher towing capacity than the new F-450 H.O
Great decision. My 2023 Ram 3500 limited DRW 4.1 is great, except the mpg. I get 15.5 on empty.
Yeah the HO w/ the ZF in the 2500 is making me seriously considering a new truck. And I was never planning on selling the truck I have. Maybe someone will figure out how to swap the ZF into older trucks. My "Standard Output" 2500 is already tuned and set up how I like it. Transmission is the only thing I've been nervous about. I was thinking of just doing an Ally swap but the ZF is looking nice!!
Yeah I wouldn't mind switching out the 6E for the ZF
@@TyphoidSnaily I will not swapping out anything unless something is broken. What do you get for ROI?
@@wj2791 piece of mind personally. I tow fairly heavy (for my 2500) frequently. 5th Wheel is 16k wet, Gooseneck with a Truck bed camper on the front for long distance wheeling trips is 15k with my Jeep and gear. And occasionally I'll move my Kubota M62 Backhoe which is 13k including the trailer. So far my 68RFE has been ok (knock on wood) big with 35s and a Tow Tune I can definitely see the difference in Trans Temps and pulling hills even with the Transmission locked out of 5th and 6th. My old Duramax would hail the exact same loads without blinking transmission wise. But I def prefer my Cummins. A transmission swap has always been the plan when the 68 gives up the magic smoke.
ROI is me keeping the truck I really like that's setup how I like and almost paid off vs trading it in for a new truck that's likely going to be 90k for a similar package and I still will have to do my Suspension Tunes Wheels and Tires over again to the tube of another $8k to $10k.
I think there is one thing to consider. Just like the new 10 speed “Allison” in the Duramax is not exactly the same as the 10 speed Allison behind the 6.6 gas engine, doesn’t mean Ram didn’t send their own specs to ZF…
FCA decided to select a transmission that ZF already builds, for class 5/6/7 trucks.
I think it should be called a Allison like the old real Allison manufactured tranns it's just a Joke🤡🤡 calling it Allison trannny get the 10spn got approved by Allison but it's not and Allison what a joke🤡🤡😪
@@jamesgeorge4874 I have been reading press releases about this transmission and the new facility that this transmission will be built at for the past 4 years. This transmission was designed and built with the Ram HD in mind right from the beginning. Will it slide into other applications? Yeah, but the main focus was the Ram.
It's not an Allison transmission since 2019. Truthfully it's just Allison tested and stamped. The 10 speed in Ford and Chevy are not great transmissions.
@samuelhatch8470 thats way it should be called Allison transmission😵😵 even though it was tested by them... Chevy is weak on that move for that its like Ram making there own engine try say it's a Cummings😵 what a joke my manon Chevy's behave🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️😂🤡🤡😵
Funny,when ram got the Asian trans.everyone was bragging about it,how does Asian and zf compare
There’s no such thing as an overbuilt work truck that people rely on to make a living.
There are hundreds of thousands 68RFEs that are flawless and have hauled millions of miles..
If you ignore the millions of failures in the 1989 and up previous gens that took them 20 years to fix . Heard of one ,million mile Cummins Dodge truck ,that was on its 9 th transmission .
2025 ram cummins 450 horse and 1100 foot pounds of torque . There will only be one engine 450 horse across the board with one transmission across the board .
Well said!! 👍
Hey hey hey leave the failure transmissions to the 94-up the first gens were decent. Idk about that 727 but my A518 has given me 400K without an issue just fluid and filter changes.
Ram has always been backwards .they give more gears for the gas engines that need to rev for power and less gears for the diesel that is agoveren lower rpm . In 03 diesel 4 speed gas 6 speed the diesel 6 speed gas 8 speed what was ram thinking .
The 68RFE is not a bad transmission. Are there better ones out there? I have no doubt. Can this be a positive outcome for the RAM HD family? I'm sure it will be. Having said that, I still say the 68RFE is not a bad tranny. Unfortunately, it's gotten a lot of flak over the years. It's my opinion that most of the issues arise from modifications to the vehicle. Whether it be engine tuners, oversized wheels/tires, lifts, etc. I own one that is all original and have never had an issue with it. I've known others who have owned them for years w/o mods as well and they never seem to have any problems either. I'm convinced that people are unknowingly wrecking their own trucks to include transmissions by doing all these mods and then blaming the manufacturer when it goes boom. I see just as many Ford's and Chevy's in the shop for self-induced problems just the same as RAM. The engineers design them for specific things and then people buy them and add a bunch of stuff that was never in the plans of the vehicles original design. Maybe people here will disagree with me on all this, but these are my own observations on the subject.
I know a guy with a concrete cutting business. He has an 04 3500 qc longbed. He hauls his equipment in the utility bed. He's got 364 K on his 68RFE beating the shit out of it. Regular trans service, a new valve body and a torque convertor in all these years.
Don't worry, they will find a way to make the ZF garbage too.
You seem very “Getty” about this! 😜.
It will be interesting what gearing they offer. My 2023 chevy 3500 6.6 gasser has a 3:73. Wish it had a 4:10 option.
The 8 speed in the Cummins might tempt me to switch in 5 years.
It’s about time! Shouldn’t have to pull the unit for any electrical would all be accessible from the pan or valve body drop.
Now, there are many issues with this info. The powerline that will be available in the pickups WILL NOT BE THE SAME AS THE CLASS 8 trucks. Same case, different internals. The Allison 1000 was over built for a 2000s era truck. The Allison 1000 isn't really a heavy duty transmission. The 1000 and 2000 ate the same case with different gears(straight vs helical cut gears). That comes down to noise. The 1000 and 2000 were never rated over over 26,001lbs gross(GVWR or GCWR) there was a Allison 1350(GCWR 30,000lbs) only for RVs and there were the 2500/2550 that were rated to 30,000lbs aswell(different ratios). Fords 6R140 has a GCWR or 50k now. Looking at the 10R140 it's at 48000lbs(F450 High capacity gooseneck package) 46,700lb stan dard. The only Aisin over 22,500lbs is the AS69RC in the Ram. That 1000lbft is the commercial spec(class 5-8) transmissions, and the Aisin isn't in an application over that in the commercial arena either. The Aisin just like the Allison are great transmission when used at the design capacity. Allison's would go into limp mode as soon as people started adding power, not that something was wrong, the electronics detected more slip that allowed(way more torque than designed to handle). Personally I hated(and still do) the Allison 1000s and the 3000 series, and dislike the 4000 series I have driven. I only seem to like the B500 and B500R, but these are 13-15L engines sending power through them. I don't mind them as the shift strategy only relies on the torque converter in 1st gear and part of 2nd. I dont care for many 6 speeds, the 8s in the rams are ok but smaller steps(more gears) makes for more efficient torque delivery(torque is the ONLY FORCE). If the powerline is only available with the 1000lbft input, it won't be a popular option in the class 8 segment, any truck I have driven at 56k or more always had 1150lft or more, and that's a dog of a truck. Highway coaches are 54-56k and they all have 410hp/1550lbft or more, that's the slower accelerating ones. Those 9,12, and 16speeds are all AUTOMATED MANUALS. Very differnt animals, the 12spd(Freedomline 12spd) came out in the early 90s. This ZF Powerline has been in service for almost 4 years. There is a video of a Ram 3500 with a powerline as a testbed for. 5 years ago. It's a 2019 interior. 2nd gear start, they have been tested I am sure there are more than a few school buses out there with them. There are only 2 engines available with the Powerline transmission. Both are Cummins the PX7 and PX9 only in Paccar trucks. Neither are popular or sold I huge numbers. Allison has a comparison video to the ZF powerline and they say at best this is a 2500RDS competitor. That's a bit below 56k GVW. They also point out the PLASTIC oil pan, TCM in the oil pan and a lack of fill points. Personally I wouldn't by it. The Aisin is probably a better transmission. Stepping up the automotive transmission isn't a great idea. Look at the 68RFE(beefed up 545RFE). I think Ford is still going to DOMINATE the HD pickup truck sales.
5.7 HEMI and ZF 8-speed AT is the best powertrain combo available in a half-ton truck. I have been saying this for many years now. Thanks, Alex. You are a smart man. Appreciate your content.
with 392 rear gear is great 2019 Rebel
It's works in every way to the 10r80 5.0 combo but if slower worse mpg and less hauling the pack of trucks it's winning
@@mddunlap03 HUH? I've reread this many times and still can't make any sense of it.
5.7 iforce and A750F enters chat
I completely agree, best 1/2 ton setup out there.
Thanks for the info.
It's sad Ram can't get it together. They always sucked on transmission builds! The Hindenburg ZF transmission will fail! It's designed in Germany for Americans! 🎉🎉🎉
what are your thoughts on the aisin? our truck has it and it sucks. it might hold the power great, but the shifting is slushy and vague.
That sums that trans up. That's its normal operation. Shifts like shit but tows and holds power well.
Great video! I love this Power Wagon 🤗👍
ZF = Zahnradfabrik (Gear Factory) Friedrichshafen (the city where it was founded)
Greetings from Germany! 🇨🇦 🇩🇪
Thank you sir, and hopefully I didn't butcher the pronunciation that bad!
@@TheGettyAdventures Thank you for your great videos, Alex! I learnt already so much about trucks. These are not so common over here; but I guess their popularity is growing.
Pronounciation was excellent, keep it up! 👍
Well the powerline is rated at 1000 lb/ft for 56k pounds, if the 3500 tops out at 35k maybe they can bump up the input torque spec accordingly? So those 2 ratings go hand and hand wouldn't they?
Ya I was going to say ZF makes stronger transmissions in general. They know what they need to do to get the specs right.
Kinda dumb that Ram has ZF build a transmission for there diesel that’s not even capable of handling the torque of the Cummings! So it’s probably an off the shelf tranny , all the talk how heavy duty it is but not rated for the motor it’s supposed to back up ! Ram 😮
I did find that a little odd myself. ZF is not directly building this for Ram so In guess you call it an off the self. But I have no doubt this ZF will be a fantastic transmission once they figure that out.
I've heard people mispronounce it as "Cummings", but you're literally spelling it with a "G"!
did you read the next couple lines down???...that 1,000 ft-lbs is also for a vehicle with a 57,000 lb GCWR. MAYBE Ram & ZF worked out something to increase the input torque rating by not using the trans in vehicles at that full GCWR.
So they upgraded the transmission and fell short to match the other two brands and are still last in line on that part of the truck
Serios observation here.
I don't understand why we're not manually shifting anymore.
Why has pulling a load become so technical?
My old 7.3 F-350 4X4 dually with a 6 speed manual did a fine job.
I don't pull anymore and my old truck is long gone but is there just absolutely no market for a manual truck?
There is no reason it's about money been trying get a manual older truck they are hard to find.
If you want a real truck just buy a Sport Chassis M2 Freightliner which may...or may not...come with stick shift(dual clutch.) That truly is something you can put millions of miles on but of course need to pay for that biggest problem still being Def Fluid and why I got out of trucking. Automatic transmission in an M2 is even more amazing and helps with keeping both hands on the wheel I think is the point...or why I chose to stick with an automatic Class 8 when I had one as a "temporary" anyways. Always hated Dodge Trucks because of the chassis with an horrific scandal of axles coming off back in the 1990s that never made the news before being sold to I think Mercedes-Benz back in the 1990s who didn't do all that much to fix the problem. Looking at these massive machines though and it would appear that issue has at least been seriously addressed anyways. This transmission combined with a straight 6 Dodge is also coming out with could really shock GM and Ford at how robust these massive machines are compared to their offerings. Everyone is starting to feel the pressure from pure play BEV full size trucks suddenly and yes they have zero transmission and yes they have instant torque to go with that. Plus the Cybertruck for as long as it stays in production is an actual Tank so trust me if you just happen upon one it will amaze just to try and put a dent into...plus is all stainless steel. #crazy having said that pure play ICE Platform remains super competitive with also Toyota and Nissan having full size though no heavy duty...all with automatic transmissions very true. Wouldn't be surprised to see a return to a manual if pricing pressures start to get really intense tho as is already true in the F150, 1500 for GM and Dodge, Tundra, Titan even Honda is making an 8 cylinder outboard motor for boats. I think the point of these transmissions is to produce massive amounts of low end torque in the meantime and also relatively okay fuel economy. One huge advantage of high displacement engines over where the industry except Ford and GM have gone is that heavy displacement actually produces far less emissions as it operates at much low rpms. If that's enough to get rid of the crazy engine killing Def monster might be worth ... half of what is currently asked anyways..
Weird dial control knob for shift engagement…no thanks.
The best 2 things about the RAM. The motor and transmission..... both not made by ram 😂
Could just offer a durable 7 speed manual. No fuss no muss, reliable and simple.
If the price is under $55k😵 (being generous on the price mark🏷)on the Manuel trannny then okay but if it's any were over that no thank new generation new tech got get away from Manuel as fast as possible💯🤙🏽 especially paying over $70k+ on thise Diesel trucks gorgeous by the away on all of thise Diesel truck🤩🤩
myself I would love it, but it would have to be a heavy clutch on there to hold all that torque. the fourth gen rams with the manuals actually cut torque from the cummins behind the clutch couldn't handle the power. But I think Ram knowns a manual is cool but probably would not sell and they would be at a loss developing it.
Nobody would buy it.
@@lauderdalechad people that need these trucks for their intended purpose would. I had a manual 94 that I hauled a case dozer and 416 cat all around the area. 225 k miles with same clutch and transmission. Unit was bulletproof. The auto transmission for work trucks are a solution looking for a problem.
@@VHP7044 consumers have spoken loud and clear, maybe 10ppl out of 10,000 want a manual. Automatics do the job better, more efficient, and can handle way more power. Thousands of hot shot drivers with 300k miles plus on their stock autos are the proof. You, my friend, are a very very small minority that simply lives in the "good ol days" that weren't actually that good
Hope this new transmission is trouble free. Alex is so Canadian with the plaid shirt, lol...
Minutes 12:13 about getting a code i think it shouldn't be much trouble dropping a transmission out of the truck then separating the cab and chassy like Ford to work on some parts of the engine so pulling down trannns no biggie lol that i straight forward process
Lol fair enough.
Hoo ray Alex! Love whatever flavor ZF transmission come in! I have one in my Dodge Challenger behind the 6.4 Hemi, I have one in my Jeep Wrangler behind the 6.4 Hemi, and my Gladiator, even though its behind the pentastar. yeah I get it, that one is not as strong as the ZF 8 HD's but its great also. NOW the big question, do you think they will have a kit to let you put that Big ZF behind the Cummins 5.9? That would be awesome! I have been waiting years, trying to keep that that 48RE shifting smooth in my 05 Dodge Cummins. But I tell you, only four gears, it sure could use the ZF8 HD! Wouldn't that be great! No DEF and a ZF ! Nirvana! Awesome video's Alex, best regards chuck😁
Chuck you have got a small collection of vehicles I see! But hey I agree the 8 speeds so far have been wonderful units for Chrysler/fiat. It would be very cool to put an 8 speed behind a 5.9 but you may need a little elbow grease to make that combo work lol
Thanks so much for this Video I have been waiting for them to update the Ram HD, I am itching to buy one and I have started to look at the Fords and Chevys but with this info I'll hold tight for 2025 and see what happens. Please Ram WOW us so I can come buy my 3500
They had a perfect transmission in their HD trucks. It was called the G56.
Unfortunately their main demographic has been pussified into a fat, lazy country of convenience and rowing gears is “just too much work, 😭 “
I am really surprised you barely mentioned the aisin transmission that comes with the HO Cummins. I have a 2018 ram 3500 dually with 90k miles now, pulling a fifth wheel all over the us and canada. You never really said why is 8 speed better than the aisin 6speed. More is not necessarily better. Larry😊
Oh goody. Unproven trans and you get to take it to a dodge dealer for a warranty claim. Sounds like a lot of headache for first year buyers 😂
Potentially, but ZF does not mess around. I would bet this HD 8 speed will be a winner.
@@TheGettyAdventures .. +1. .. The German ZF Company is Tier 1 in what they engineer and manufacture; Transmissions, Suspensions, etc. ..
Paccar calls it the TX8 in Kenworth and Peterbilt, so Ram isn't exactly going out on a limb IMHO.
Transmission swap in future
the aisin has been rock solid. ive had 5 trucks with the aisin 6speed all have been rock solid. they tow everyday and get drain and fills every 25k miles filters every 50k. no issues no complaints hopefully they will still offer the aisin at least in the tradesman work truck 3500 models
Aisin has supplied autos for Toyota for ages.
Time to go truck shopping. I’m in the market for an HD truck.
Man I’m absolutely excited too see when these come out. Not a fan of the 10 speeds in the gm’s and the fords they’re really jerky and unpredictable. Ram has been killing it with their trucks
Jerky? I have a 22 duramax, the 10L1000 is smooth as butter and had been for 32k…not even a hiccup. I had to buy a banks gauge because I couldn’t feel it shift and didn’t know what gear I was in. It’s that smooth.
I think it's a good choice to wait for this transmission rather than trying to put something like an 8hp75 on the 6.7L diesel. Better to have less gears, then to have gears that cannot handle their workload.
This was supposed to happen years ago. I ended up with a 2020 3500 with an Aisin instead. I refuse to ever own a truck with a 68rfe.
8:31 you said this is a 10 speed transmission, you are incorrect. They did not go away from the allison 1000 6 speed transmission until 2020, the truck you are standing by is very clearly a 2017-2019 GMC.
In my opinion, the 6.7 HO paired with the ZF 8 speed that I think will be made to cope with maybe 1300lbft is a winner. I think the 8 speed is ideal as a 10 speed would be changing gear too much.
I wonder if I can get one for my 2014 ram 2500. I bought her with only 70,500 miles on the OD. No bullshit. Laramie longhorn crew cab with the scrollwork or whatever you call it in the stitching.
Id wager that the new transmissions sky high tow rating of 55K is certified reliable with 1000lbs or less of torque. Certify that trans for 40,000lbs and I bet you can bump the input torque rating up to 1100 or 1200 for the same durability.
We can’t wait!!! Thank you for update on that. Hope the prices will come down. The Aisin transmission won’t be beat for heavy duty. but it’s not for every day driver but heavy duty. We need a smoother better driving tranny that is reliable. Also. The Allison tranny is not a Allison anymore even tho they have the badge.
zf too complicated. have to go thru a sequence to change the fluid. expensive to strengthen for fun.
Reliability sells over gadgets. Superior stopping power, fuel economy and reliability will sell. Pull some of that crap off while you are at it.
I heard in 2025, Ram is dropping the standard output, Cummins. All 6.7 will be the HO. You will only get one transmission option and that is a ZF.
This is great. But same old dodge /ram. I don’t understand why they don’t get together with Cummins and ZF and design a transmission specifically for the platform. Especially since Cummins and ZF have been paired so many times before. Seems to be with the two of them getting together to build a transmission for the Cummins platform in the ram trucks would be a no brainer.
I love ZF. That single decision to put their 8 speeds in their trucks took chrysler from having the absolute worst transmissions to the best.
It is something that doesn’t get talked about enough but I completely agree.
At least this will be a real ZF transmission unlike GM using fake Allison transmissions in their 2500 and 3500 trucks that 10 speed is a Ford/GM collaboration
The 10 speed in the gm trucks was a joint venture with ford .when the zf 8 speed transmission comes out there will be only one output cummi s. It will be 450 hp 1100 foot pounds of torque .ram doesnt have enough clean air credits for more power .
Finally 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
LOL, Dodge and"bulletproof transmission" do not belong in the same sentence. That thing is probably going to be as junk as the 68RFE and twice the cost to repair.
I really wouldn't use the term bulletproof for anything remotely related to Stellantis. My '14 GC has a ZF tranny but it was build by Stellantis boys under license not Germans.
2020 ram 6.7l with the 68rfe with 76k miles transmission gave wouldn’t shift out of 4th.
Just got out of a 21 Powerstroke because I just didn't like that 10 speed. Never owned a ram but I don't know, maybe I'll have to give them a look now.
Its not the transmission per se thats the problem. The problem is that it only has 6 speeds. Engines with a narrow range of peak torque need lots of closely spaced gears to perform well. The Cummins has always needed more gears to keep the engine in its peak torque range, and while Chevy and Ford have 10 speeds behind engines that have a greater range of peak torque than the Cummins, the Dodge 8 speed seems late to the party. The Cummins already needed a 10 speed to be competitive and its only going to get and 8 speed- next year 🙄
Now if we could abolish the EPA WE WOULD HAVE IT MADE
I love my 68rfe. I’ve got a custom built and tuned one but it’s a beast. That said I can’t wait for Ram to release this Cummins ZF setup and work out the bugs. I’ll be buying one
You must not drive it much they blow up yearly up here in canada I don't care what billet parts you got in there...
Now if only Ram can significantly upgrade the front suspension to haul that heavy Cummins on a long term basis….
They finally are getting something more than 6speed…. But to call the ZF bulletproof. It hasn’t been behind the weight of a truck yet nor dealt with the torque
The gmc you showed never came with the 10 speed allison that was the next generation... but yeah the gm designed "allison" definitely pisses on Allison's name
40 years too late. I’ll never own another junk ram. Ram is special ed. Takes them decades to fix something they should fix in a year.
Will they be available as a replacement for the 68RFE in older trucks?
My 8 speed ram 1500 jerks a lot when I go to accelerate. The truck only has like 2200 miles on it.
I'm skeptical. The ZF in my 18 charger started slipping before needing its first service and now needs to be replaced.
Glad to have bought the HO/Aisin this year. Will wait for “Mickey” to test the ZF for a few years.
you won't have problems with the Aisin in your truck, they are built stoutly and very high quality internals, when your hauling heavy you don't need 10 speeds, you need reliability in extreme conditions, hot or cold, and when the competition is hauling heavy loads they are not in 10th gear , they are in 5th or 6th maybe , thats where its needed, with over 40 yrs in the heavy equipment industry and lots of exposure to Aisin, any issues were usually owner /operator neglect, ZF also has a very coloured history and built shit transmissions in the 80's for a large part of the European car companies and they were garbage and brought ZF close to losing all these manufacturers, these included Volvo and Saab AB, commercial trucks, so yes ZF is good, it is no better than an Aisin transmission 👍
@@99unclebob Absolutely love the Aisin in the 2024 year model. It's engagement and shifts are near perfect. Weather Initial Engagement, Heavy towing or Empty the Aisin senses and engages perfectly to match the conditions at hand. With the bonus of a Sturdy, Proven Build.
Almost 900k on my 2016 3500 aisin srw going for at least a million or 1.2. Can't tune it but don't care don't want to blow it up, the shifting seems lazy sometimes depending on throttle input but it's been like that since day one. Seems like it protects itself. Even after extending the fluid intervals to 100 drain and fill and another 100 K with filter replacement I'm always amazed how clean the pan is
68RFE is the worst trans I've ever experienced. Wonder if fan boys will admit it now. doubt it
Dodge hasn't had a good reputation when it comes to the automatic transmissions they put behind the Cummins and that engine has always deserved to have a good trans behind it but never got it. Years ago there was a rumor going around that Dodge was considering putting a Allison behind the Cummins but I think they didn't like the price tag on the Allison.
It sounds like they’re doing the same old thing take a transmission from a gas and put it behind a Diesel. That’s not even gonna be rated for what the high output puts out. Why even bother it’s gonna be the same transmission problems.
Surprised they don't just scale down semi truck transmissions. Could do an automated manual. Or full manual or automatic.
I bought a 2023 2500 in 2023 now im PISSED. no way im gonna get robbed tragmding it in but WTF.
Changing fluid and filter i n these ZF trans sucks. I have 2nd and 3rd degree burns from doing my 1st change and refill.
Hopefully the ditch the shifting knob. They are incredibly annoying
I have the knob in my 2023 Ram 2500 Hemi I absolutely luv my knob ! 😊
I hope they don’t. Best design choice when all these transmissions shift from a computer anyway.
Loved the rotary knob in my 21 2500
I tow with a 68rfe and 12000lbs feels like it's never there running 80mph no problem
Imagine being so bad at building pickup trucks that you don't actually build anything but the body, which rot very quickly.
Look I’ll give ford full credit for building their powerstroke and driveline in house. But at if the partnership works to make a good product so be it.
Same goes for Chevy then. The duramax is made by Isuzu and the transmission is Allison. Ford is the only one out of the big three that makes their own power train with the 6.7 Powerstroke.
I’ll take a Cummins and ZF over whatever garbage they would make themselves. I appreciate they use the expertise and billions of dollars in R&D other companies have invested.
@@Lq32332 lol your ass is still bolted in the garbage they do make themselves
The Duke says, at least Ford motors and transmissions and everything else are made in America. Can't say that about ram. Now they're putting parts made by the Nazis. Did you see the video? Panzer tanks... Really? Do the new Rams come with bumper stickers that say" I did that", or build back better? I'll stick to my American-made F550.
What did I teach you?
I wish there was a manual more than anything for the cummins.
10:31 These numbers are for a vehicle that are much heavier than the RAM HD. With the lighter weight of the RAM HD, the torque number will go up. @TheGettyAdventures
It would make sense, I guess that 1000 lb-ft is a little more abstract but thats why I wanted to touch on it because I wasn't sure what the end result would be for the HO cummins.
Did you look into it yet???? You might want to do another video about it. The ZF spec sheet is throwing a lot of people off. Class 5 trucks (as seen on the right side of the spec sheet) weight 16,001-19,500 pounds. RAM HD trucks are Class 2A at 6,001-8,500 pounds. That’s a huge difference. I’m sure there’s a formula that can give us the estimated torque numbers of the ZF under the RAM HD. 😉
@@TheGettyAdventures👆🏾See my post above.
so, @ The Getty Adventures …please explain exactly what about the 68RFE is “holding back” the 6.7 Cummins. I realize the greater number of forward gear ratios the better the chance of finding an optimum ratio for a given load and road conditions. I have. 6.7 Cummins Ram and have towed extensively with it an 18ft HD trailer (est. 2700#) and loads there on up to about 6k additional wt. My routes have included flatlands and mountainous terrain in CO, AR, PA, TN etc. Never had any reason to think my eng/trans combo was deficient. Be interested your ‘reasoning’ to support your opinion. Before this truck, I had an ‘04 5.9 Cummins with a 4 speed Mopar automatic and towed with it extensively for 97xxx miles…no complaints. 0:17
That’s because you’ve only hauled 8,700lbs. Pull some more weight. That said 68rfe stock nowadays are not bad. RAM owners just beat on their trucks without doing proper maintenance unlike the other two, rarely see them hauling anything.
That’s because you’ve only hauled 8,700lbs. Pull some more weight. That said 68rfe stock nowadays are not bad. RAM owners just beat on their trucks without doing proper maintenance unlike the other two, rarely see them hauling anything.
Mercedes transmission are better . Putting them in everything . 😂
Amazing transmission in the 1500s. We've had 3 Ecos. Really put the power to the ground. Should do well behind the 6.7.
How many miles did you have on those trucks
I don’t want to jump the gun but ZF makes damn good transmissions
Excellent ZF transmissions in the 2019+ 6.4 HD trucks
How bout they update the now 14 year old CAB AND BED!!!! Common Ram
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Are your hands tie to your mouth? Can’t move one and keep the other still? It’s very distracting
Keep you darn hands in your pocket or something, stop flashing your hand in front of the friggin camera