Brilliant video mate! So funny i was out practicing powerloops and when i asked you for advice on how best to do it with the avata 2 you were actually making a video about it!😂 great minds! Glad the footage helped.
Legend! Thanks matey, can't wait to get out there again for some more chase action! We're getting some epic shot. Your Avata 2 also makes for the best thumbnails ! 😆
Perfectly explained! I'm coming from being a qualified helicopter pilot so understood this very easily. My helicopter instructor was always saying that the helicopter is always trying to kill you so we always had very good control throughout the entire flight. Learnt in the R22 which is a very unforgiving helicopter if you don't show it respect. Well done on a great video!!
R22 cadet myself though had to take a break from it because life got in the way. Congrats on your PPLH though! I indeed know what a fidget the 22 is. My ex military instructor (who was very dry humoured) told me to pretend there was a jack Daniels and coke resting on the top of the console. Then when my hovering instantly improved he said "tight wallet eh? Won't spill a drop now will you!" White-knuckled as I was. I did burst out laughing.😂
Wow, you guys did a great job with this. As. Retired flight engineer, and jet engine tech, this took me back to the “Sciences of flight” days talking about energy, and prop wash, stalls, etc. My A-2 should be here on Tuesday, been flying Mini 3s 4 Pros, ready for first FPV experience! Later!
Great video! Very informative and will be super useful for beginner! I would add to the info that I think even with a 5" quad, we should almost never reduce the throttle to zero. I think during a powerloop we should allways and everytime keep on the throttle to look the best (probalby hence the name "power" loop) I think even "Le Drib" mentioned this in his powerloop tutorial video. In fact when I fly freestyle I pretty much never ever reduce the throttle to full zero. Whatever I do the minimum I have is something like 5-10% throttle at all times. This really gives a lot of stability to every trick and move. I'm still waiting for my Avata 2 to arrive, but I can't wait to try this out and see how it preforms! Again...amazing video!
Thanks for the kind words! Yes, as i mentioned breifly in the video there are a few ways to skin the rabbit here. Indeed you can leave the power in throughout a loop but that will carry more energy and thus more speed, which is a great thing to work towards but definitely makes it harder when learning. So a more power controlled method can help contain the speed a little more starting out. There are definitely also some instances, particularly when in more complex inverted manoeuvres where you do want the throttle at minimum, like floaty inverted yaw spins, but all the same priciples apply regarding clean air and not falling into turbulent airflow. Thanks for the great comment and im sure you will LOVE your Avata 2 when it arrives! :)
@@NJ-Tech Yeah you are absolutely right! I could easily think of situations where zero throttle input is mandatory. I'm only doing "flow" so for some reason, when I wrote that comment, it did not even cross my mind that there are other styles in FPV too 😅 I could not imagine sbang or juicy style with the throttle "allways on". And you are right, that for beginners it might be better to learn this way. Better be safe than sorry if you have a drone like the Avata. I guess if someone starts to like the freestyle part of flying, they will eventually get at least one 5" for these kind of experiments where you never input zero throttle. 😄
@@Ravasssz for sure! This thing is too expensive to abuse haha. But its a great flow machine. Let me know how you like it, im sure you will be smiling from ear to ear ;)
Great video. I'm a pretty new pilot, about a month in on my 2" freestyle, and I plan on buying this drone in another month. I think this is good advice for any quad to an extent. I've been trying to break the habit of cutting the power to zero once I see that inverted horizon. It makes my power loops look and feel bad. Its a tough habit to break but that steady roll on and roll off seems like a good skill to have
Absolutely! It's good practise for any quad. Once you've nailed a few good ones you'll know what you're aiming for and that's half the battle. You'll love the avatar 2, let me know how you get on and thanks for the comment!
Yaw washout is something that almost all ducted drone suffer. If you want to get into hard yaw manoeuvres then you need an open prop design. The duct and propgaurd drag just causes too many problems for that kind of free style. If you watch my latest video you can see where the limits are in pushing this drone I think.. its still very good for a consumer drone 😊
But we have fixed pitch props and add thrust by spinning faster, not by increasing pitch. If the prop spins faster doesn't the angle of incidence to the incoming air get shallower not steeper? In my head when I think through the relative motions of air and blade it seems like a faster blade at the same angle would have a larger horizontal relative velocity component compared to a slower blade, and thus a lower angle of attack.
Yes it does, you certainly have a point, however the real world outcome is that the upward acting airflow is so massively turbulent around the gaurds/body/prop of the quad that straightening out that to become a laminar flow in the total opposite direction that will stick to the top side of the wing is almost futile once developed, and why a huge increase in thrust does almost nothing. Especially as the stall is deveoping and intertia building. We are however talking about a perfectly vertical drop into ones own downwash. Even a slight tilt can quickly help restore inflow relative to the chord. An open prop (no gaurds) has a much easier time of re-establishing flow along with brust force if your power to weight is significant enough. Thanks for such a thoughtful comment! I did come across some really good wind tunnel/smoke testing videos on enclosed vs open prop stall behaviours which gave a great visual on all this, but i cant find it again for the life of me! Long story short, its a huge mess of wake you definitely want to avoid in your piloting. There is a relatively good example of a VRS recovery technique with smoke in a real helicopter that is the closest example of watching a developed blade stall recovery through doing nothing with pitch and power but basically side splipping the stalled air column. You see immediately the effect getting just outside that stalled column. ua-cam.com/video/HjeRSDsy-nE/v-deo.html
Thanks for this explanation NJ Tech , i just got an avata 2 and today my rc controller will arrive and i was going to start giving it a try because i dont have any other fpv quad yet and this makes sense . I love the avata 2 but am starting to regret buying it and not have started with an avata 1 or the dji fpv because of the avata 2 goggles3 and controller 3 are not compatible with all the other drones .. i feel like i want to break the avata 2 use the part to make an fpv drone with just the avata 2 parts but not using the plasticky frame . I feel it is a joke
@Graphicales although it's plastic it is very light compared to the dji fpv and your average custom build which means low inertia, and this makes it a lot more crash resistant thank you might think. Although if you fly around a lot of concrete that is a different story 😂
@@NJ-Tech So I went out this afternoon to practice my loops, not with A2, but with your little sketch in my head. Just watched the footage and after an hour, and a a spill or two, my loops are smoother than ever!
If I understand correctly, you should throttle this way to powerloop (using clock analogy)? Throttle: 6-11 Release/coast: 11-2 Slightly throttle: 2-3 Throttle: 3+
That's a pretty good way to look at it yes! The main thing is to keep the Quad moving through to loop, and away from its own disturbed air. I'll do a stick camera video at some point.
I have a question, i am without EU, i bought my Avata 2 here, i assume it's in CE (or C1?) Mode... At the moment i comeback to my country (Venezuela, Latinamerica) should my dron put in FCC Mode automatically? Or should i do it "manually"? Also before to go back to my country i will visit Indonesia, i guess the dron will put automatically in FCC Mode too? Thanks a lot in advance
I. Pretty sure it's GPS based. You can tell if you're in FCC mode by whether you can change the transmission chanel. If it's greyed out saying 'auto' then you're in CE. Let me know the result?
Thanks a lot... In a few weeks i will be out of EU then i Will try.... Btw another guy told me that even Indonesia is in CE Mode... I don't know if this is true or not.... I guess i will need to wait or maybe some pilot from there can answer that question..... Thanks a lot
@@NJ-Tech So for slowly circling objects, such as a car, 15-20 degrees would be better, as the drone will then not want to fly so far forward when looking at the object. Is that correct? 🤔
@DerZaubererFN yeah it will help keep it slower. But you're flying more sideways when circling so it doesn't matter too much. 20 is a good place to keep things slower whilst learning.
Is that the same for the original Avata? If I follow your instructions I won’t slam into the ground coming out of a power loop? Awesome video. Not sure I am ready to spend $1k on the new avata maybe $500 if they make it backwards compatible with the goggles integra and the fpv remote control.
Every quad will have a different power to weight so will feel different, but as i mention at the end of the video, its all good piloting practice to make these rules habbit. I've never flown the Avata 1 so i can't say how different it would be, but just start off with nice big loops and work on those 4 sections to make it a smooth circle. I'm sure you can get it to behave in just the same way!
@@NJ-Tech I will let you know after some more practice. I probably have only flown 30 times on the avata and am not doing tons of flips yet. Thank you.
Thanks mate! I've been struggling with this issue for a couple of days now, sometime I made it work, sometimes I did not, but now I understand why. I wonder can you share your profile rates? I run on 150,600,0.75 for raw, pitch and yaw and I feel its not right for freestyle.
Very welcome, thanks for the comment! So i tend to run stock centre sensitivity (perhaps reduce yaw a tiny bit to increase the deadzone - this helps when moving the throttle stick a lot that you dont nudge the Yaw accidentally so much) then for rates, 550 roll, 500 pitch. Expo just see how things feel around centre, if you seem to be a bit twitchy the increase this bit by bit to soften and smooth out small corrections. but personally im at 0.7 on all.
It'd a little hard to know without seeing your footage but I recommend you check an old video of mine which covers the basics quite nicely, here ua-cam.com/video/TxN_pUjoHDo/v-deo.htmlsi=_GPIxlvi0StaB7bQ
Maybe outside from EU. In EU power is so restricted that it can not be called fpv drone. I know its not drone fault, its EU fault. If you take your drone to somewhere else, it will perform fine.
I have to disagree here. I'm in the UK in CE mode and the range is incredible! Far better than any of my analogue fpv drones by a long way. It's great as an FPV drone on CE mode!
@lauriL90 well that law doesn't actually apply to the UK. So I hope DJI remove it. But then this only affects sport mode. In manual mode I can hit over 60 mph no problem. There is no way for them to limit the speed in manual mode.
@DerZaubererFN yes but you can do the HAM hack which won't affect your care refresh, that hack has been around for years and never caused an issue with refresh. Personally I feel the drone is less safe with a power limit. So I would always do the hack.
For me I bought it for acro, but not "full acro" I have my diy drone for that....I wanted a acro like flying "mavic" wierd I guess...I don't plan on going ham with it
Because the motion controller is working with a self levelling mode, while you might feel like your diving, actually the quad is level and the camera is pointing down, so the short answer is no. An actual fast dive can only be done in manual mode.
Great explantion of the power loop with these ducted quads. Liked and subscribed! - This is same I found with the first Avata, my first practice power loop with it ua-cam.com/video/d2qVD3jlHhU/v-deo.html They are more of a challenge to acro than your standard 5" quads but I think this makes it more fun.
Brilliant video mate! So funny i was out practicing powerloops and when i asked you for advice on how best to do it with the avata 2 you were actually making a video about it!😂 great minds! Glad the footage helped.
Legend! Thanks matey, can't wait to get out there again for some more chase action! We're getting some epic shot. Your Avata 2 also makes for the best thumbnails ! 😆
I know it was about how to do Powerloops on Avata 2 (which suits me), but vest explanation of how to do powerloops I've seen. Thanks.
Thanks very much Gordon, i'm glad it helped. I always worry with longer videos i'm just boring my audience haha. Cheers, NJ.
Complete sense! it’s very capable and you’re explaining it well. 🙏🏼
Appreciate that Steve! 🙏🏼
Thank you for the instructional video. I really enjoyed the video that you and Andy did while chasing each other. Great stuff.
Thanks Bob! :)
Perfectly explained! I'm coming from being a qualified helicopter pilot so understood this very easily. My helicopter instructor was always saying that the helicopter is always trying to kill you so we always had very good control throughout the entire flight. Learnt in the R22 which is a very unforgiving helicopter if you don't show it respect. Well done on a great video!!
R22 cadet myself though had to take a break from it because life got in the way. Congrats on your PPLH though! I indeed know what a fidget the 22 is. My ex military instructor (who was very dry humoured) told me to pretend there was a jack Daniels and coke resting on the top of the console. Then when my hovering instantly improved he said "tight wallet eh? Won't spill a drop now will you!" White-knuckled as I was. I did burst out laughing.😂
Wow, you guys did a great job with this. As. Retired flight engineer, and jet engine tech, this took me back to the “Sciences of flight” days talking about energy, and prop wash, stalls, etc. My A-2 should be here on Tuesday, been flying Mini 3s 4 Pros, ready for first FPV experience! Later!
Appreciate the great comment sir! You will love the avata 2 and FPV, enjoy!
Great piece of information! Both funny and educational :)
Appreciate the knowledge and no-bullshit approach!
Really appreciate that, thank you 🙏🏼
Great video! Very informative and will be super useful for beginner! I would add to the info that I think even with a 5" quad, we should almost never reduce the throttle to zero. I think during a powerloop we should allways and everytime keep on the throttle to look the best (probalby hence the name "power" loop) I think even "Le Drib" mentioned this in his powerloop tutorial video. In fact when I fly freestyle I pretty much never ever reduce the throttle to full zero. Whatever I do the minimum I have is something like 5-10% throttle at all times. This really gives a lot of stability to every trick and move. I'm still waiting for my Avata 2 to arrive, but I can't wait to try this out and see how it preforms! Again...amazing video!
Thanks for the kind words! Yes, as i mentioned breifly in the video there are a few ways to skin the rabbit here. Indeed you can leave the power in throughout a loop but that will carry more energy and thus more speed, which is a great thing to work towards but definitely makes it harder when learning. So a more power controlled method can help contain the speed a little more starting out. There are definitely also some instances, particularly when in more complex inverted manoeuvres where you do want the throttle at minimum, like floaty inverted yaw spins, but all the same priciples apply regarding clean air and not falling into turbulent airflow. Thanks for the great comment and im sure you will LOVE your Avata 2 when it arrives! :)
@@NJ-Tech Yeah you are absolutely right! I could easily think of situations where zero throttle input is mandatory. I'm only doing "flow" so for some reason, when I wrote that comment, it did not even cross my mind that there are other styles in FPV too 😅 I could not imagine sbang or juicy style with the throttle "allways on". And you are right, that for beginners it might be better to learn this way. Better be safe than sorry if you have a drone like the Avata. I guess if someone starts to like the freestyle part of flying, they will eventually get at least one 5" for these kind of experiments where you never input zero throttle. 😄
@@Ravasssz for sure! This thing is too expensive to abuse haha. But its a great flow machine. Let me know how you like it, im sure you will be smiling from ear to ear ;)
Love the video! Thank you! Can't wait to get out and apply some of the practices you taught us all! You've also got a new subscriber!
Really appreciate that! Thank you 🙏🏼
Great explanation. Thnx
@@bartoszbrankaphotography425 appreciate it 🙏🏽
Great educational explanation on this topic. Nicely explained
Thanks, Appreciate the comment! 🙏🏼
Very nice video. Congrats and thanks. Have a nice weekend.
Appreciate the kind words, thank you 😊
Excellent explanation!
Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
Excellent breakdown thanks dude.
Appreciate that brother! 🙏🏼
Good looking out. 👌
Great video. I'm a pretty new pilot, about a month in on my 2" freestyle, and I plan on buying this drone in another month. I think this is good advice for any quad to an extent.
I've been trying to break the habit of cutting the power to zero once I see that inverted horizon. It makes my power loops look and feel bad. Its a tough habit to break but that steady roll on and roll off seems like a good skill to have
Absolutely! It's good practise for any quad. Once you've nailed a few good ones you'll know what you're aiming for and that's half the battle. You'll love the avatar 2, let me know how you get on and thanks for the comment!
What a quality video kudos mate
Appreciate that brother. Thank you!
Great video, thanks!
Could you make one on how to avoid yaw wash out and falling with avata 2?
Yaw washout is something that almost all ducted drone suffer. If you want to get into hard yaw manoeuvres then you need an open prop design. The duct and propgaurd drag just causes too many problems for that kind of free style. If you watch my latest video you can see where the limits are in pushing this drone I think.. its still very good for a consumer drone 😊
thank you! Will check it out right now
Great video ! Thanks
thank you 🙏🏼
Thanks, very useful!
Thank you 🙏🏼
@@NJ-Tech I recently purchased the M4P and trying to get in flight time before going for the Avata2.
@@Khan84 you can never have too many drones ;)
But we have fixed pitch props and add thrust by spinning faster, not by increasing pitch. If the prop spins faster doesn't the angle of incidence to the incoming air get shallower not steeper? In my head when I think through the relative motions of air and blade it seems like a faster blade at the same angle would have a larger horizontal relative velocity component compared to a slower blade, and thus a lower angle of attack.
Yes it does, you certainly have a point, however the real world outcome is that the upward acting airflow is so massively turbulent around the gaurds/body/prop of the quad that straightening out that to become a laminar flow in the total opposite direction that will stick to the top side of the wing is almost futile once developed, and why a huge increase in thrust does almost nothing. Especially as the stall is deveoping and intertia building. We are however talking about a perfectly vertical drop into ones own downwash. Even a slight tilt can quickly help restore inflow relative to the chord. An open prop (no gaurds) has a much easier time of re-establishing flow along with brust force if your power to weight is significant enough. Thanks for such a thoughtful comment! I did come across some really good wind tunnel/smoke testing videos on enclosed vs open prop stall behaviours which gave a great visual on all this, but i cant find it again for the life of me! Long story short, its a huge mess of wake you definitely want to avoid in your piloting. There is a relatively good example of a VRS recovery technique with smoke in a real helicopter that is the closest example of watching a developed blade stall recovery through doing nothing with pitch and power but basically side splipping the stalled air column. You see immediately the effect getting just outside that stalled column. ua-cam.com/video/HjeRSDsy-nE/v-deo.html
Thanks for this explanation NJ Tech , i just got an avata 2 and today my rc controller will arrive and i was going to start giving it a try because i dont have any other fpv quad yet and this makes sense . I love the avata 2 but am starting to regret buying it and not have started with an avata 1 or the dji fpv because of the avata 2 goggles3 and controller 3 are not compatible with all the other drones .. i feel like i want to break the avata 2 use the part to make an fpv drone with just the avata 2 parts but not using the plasticky frame . I feel it is a joke
@Graphicales although it's plastic it is very light compared to the dji fpv and your average custom build which means low inertia, and this makes it a lot more crash resistant thank you might think. Although if you fly around a lot of concrete that is a different story 😂
Great video!!
Thank you! :)
@@NJ-Tech So I went out this afternoon to practice my loops, not with A2, but with your little sketch in my head. Just watched the footage and after an hour, and a a spill or two, my loops are smoother than ever!
@TooBarFoo fantastic! Really pleased to hear that 🙌
Thanks for the upload! Cool fact, it seems the motors are rated at 3500kv
Thanks. Didn't know that! Good to know 🙂
If I understand correctly, you should throttle this way to powerloop (using clock analogy)?
Throttle: 6-11
Release/coast: 11-2
Slightly throttle: 2-3
Throttle: 3+
That's a pretty good way to look at it yes! The main thing is to keep the Quad moving through to loop, and away from its own disturbed air. I'll do a stick camera video at some point.
@@NJ-Tech awesome, thanks again for the helpful video and comments!
Really helpful!
Thank you! 🙏🏼
Nice
I have a question, i am without EU, i bought my Avata 2 here, i assume it's in CE (or C1?) Mode... At the moment i comeback to my country (Venezuela, Latinamerica) should my dron put in FCC Mode automatically? Or should i do it "manually"? Also before to go back to my country i will visit Indonesia, i guess the dron will put automatically in FCC Mode too? Thanks a lot in advance
I. Pretty sure it's GPS based. You can tell if you're in FCC mode by whether you can change the transmission chanel. If it's greyed out saying 'auto' then you're in CE. Let me know the result?
Thanks a lot... In a few weeks i will be out of EU then i Will try.... Btw another guy told me that even Indonesia is in CE Mode... I don't know if this is true or not.... I guess i will need to wait or maybe some pilot from there can answer that question..... Thanks a lot
Great video, really appreciate the tips. Just one question, whats your camera angle when flying?
Thanks! I fly generally at 25 degrees but sometimes 30 for a little more pace.
@@NJ-Tech So for slowly circling objects, such as a car, 15-20 degrees would be better, as the drone will then not want to fly so far forward when looking at the object. Is that correct? 🤔
@DerZaubererFN yeah it will help keep it slower. But you're flying more sideways when circling so it doesn't matter too much. 20 is a good place to keep things slower whilst learning.
Is that the same for the original Avata? If I follow your instructions I won’t slam into the ground coming out of a power loop? Awesome video. Not sure I am ready to spend $1k on the new avata maybe $500 if they make it backwards compatible with the goggles integra and the fpv remote control.
Every quad will have a different power to weight so will feel different, but as i mention at the end of the video, its all good piloting practice to make these rules habbit. I've never flown the Avata 1 so i can't say how different it would be, but just start off with nice big loops and work on those 4 sections to make it a smooth circle. I'm sure you can get it to behave in just the same way!
@@NJ-Tech I will let you know after some more practice. I probably have only flown 30 times on the avata and am not doing tons of flips yet. Thank you.
Very informative video! Thanks! By the way the link you have to Andy's youtube is not working.
Thank you! I'll get that fixed, cheers for the headsup!
Just subed good video bro.
Thanks bro. Appreciate it 🙏🏼
Great video.
Now, where can I buy the controller 3?
@@bigal1968ful straight from DJI was very fast for me in the UK
Everywhere is out of stock and pre-order only at the moment. 😢
@bigal1968ful no way! No doubt ebayers will hike the price on them in the mean time🙄
Thanks mate! I've been struggling with this issue for a couple of days now, sometime I made it work, sometimes I did not, but now I understand why. I wonder can you share your profile rates? I run on 150,600,0.75 for raw, pitch and yaw and I feel its not right for freestyle.
Very welcome, thanks for the comment! So i tend to run stock centre sensitivity (perhaps reduce yaw a tiny bit to increase the deadzone - this helps when moving the throttle stick a lot that you dont nudge the Yaw accidentally so much) then for rates, 550 roll, 500 pitch. Expo just see how things feel around centre, if you seem to be a bit twitchy the increase this bit by bit to soften and smooth out small corrections. but personally im at 0.7 on all.
@@NJ-Tech Thank you, I'll give it a try right after the weather allows it. can't wait! :)
What simulator do you recommend ??
Liftoff is a really decent sim and worth the few bucks!
Badly needs a throttle expo setting in manual mode.
I've only ever flown a linear throttle. Expo on the throttle would definitely throw my manoeuvres out! 😂
@NJ-Tech It's perfectly fine for free flying. When I want to use it as a tool for filming houses and stuff expo makes it so much easier.
@@SickocrowAU I can def see a use for that. Would be a nice option
What about rolls? I seem to get washout or tumbling as I finish the roll and come back to level. Not all of the time but more than I like.
It'd a little hard to know without seeing your footage but I recommend you check an old video of mine which covers the basics quite nicely, here ua-cam.com/video/TxN_pUjoHDo/v-deo.htmlsi=_GPIxlvi0StaB7bQ
Maybe outside from EU. In EU power is so restricted that it can not be called fpv drone. I know its not drone fault, its EU fault. If you take your drone to somewhere else, it will perform fine.
I have to disagree here. I'm in the UK in CE mode and the range is incredible! Far better than any of my analogue fpv drones by a long way. It's great as an FPV drone on CE mode!
@@NJ-Tech but top speed is 17ms instead of 27ms as everywhere else. Huge difference.
@lauriL90 well that law doesn't actually apply to the UK. So I hope DJI remove it. But then this only affects sport mode. In manual mode I can hit over 60 mph no problem. There is no way for them to limit the speed in manual mode.
@@NJ-Tech UK does not suffer from EU limitations. You guys have full power without FCC hack
@DerZaubererFN yes but you can do the HAM hack which won't affect your care refresh, that hack has been around for years and never caused an issue with refresh. Personally I feel the drone is less safe with a power limit. So I would always do the hack.
Subbed where r u located in NJ because I’m in New Jersey too
Thanks! I'm in the UK, my name is NJ 😉
For me I bought it for acro, but not "full acro" I have my diy drone for that....I wanted a acro like flying "mavic" wierd I guess...I don't plan on going ham with it
Exactly the sweet spot this drone lives in. Couldn't agree more. Nice little flow machine.
Hi man great video and glad to see you back !!!
So should I order ?? Lol
Sharon! Hope you are well man, been a long time. I think you will enjoy this quad for sure 😉
Can you dive with the motin control? Like down a mountain side
Because the motion controller is working with a self levelling mode, while you might feel like your diving, actually the quad is level and the camera is pointing down, so the short answer is no. An actual fast dive can only be done in manual mode.
Great explantion of the power loop with these ducted quads. Liked and subscribed! - This is same I found with the first Avata, my first practice power loop with it ua-cam.com/video/d2qVD3jlHhU/v-deo.html They are more of a challenge to acro than your standard 5" quads but I think this makes it more fun.
quit blaming me I didn't do anything 😆
haha! Yeah...damn quad ruining my moves 😆
How come the acro doesn’t show up on my top screen ?
It shows an M down at the bottom left instead of N or S