Bern was just spitting up facts, there wasn't ONE fragment where the Ushirumiyas didn't murderthemselves. Even in the possibility that Beatrice hasn’t existed but Leon, the fate would have been the same. That's the truth
That's all she can have energy to live: seeing other suffering. It's cruel but also sad. She can't anymore feel happiness of simple things like listening music or hanging around friends. She just can't feel it.
@@rsg5314 Not really, there was like I think like 1 in a million possiblity that Lion exists and dies later according to Bern, but that doesn't mean that another Lion, second one in 2 million possibilities has to die as well.
Tragedy in Lion's world still confused me. I think there are things that need to be explained. We're all agree that Beatrice is born because Lion is living the life as Yasuda Sayo, which after they learned the truth, they became twisted and planning on massacre the whole family. However, Lion's world is different, they live as normal human being and don't even have murder intent. So, the tragedy shouldn't be happening..... Right? Ok, it isn't just solely on Lion. 1. The trigger was indeed from VIP Room. However, Beatrice doesn't exist. No one prepare the weapons, such as riffles and the bomb. No one explaining the mechanism of the bomb either. I don't think Kinzo also trying to muder everyone. I believe he wanted Lion to be alive, so he might just proposing the epitapth 2. I'm not sure if any of the adults bring any weapon. I mean they were supposed to come to VIP Room without any weapon, right? In Beatrice world, I feel like Kyrie and Rudolf just spontaneously carried out the massacre because there are opportunity. Beatrice explaining things, leaving all the weapons, which later would be used by Kyrie/Rudolf plan as excuse/alibi if they survive. In Lion's world, they maybe only find the VIP Room. Arguments between Eva and Natsuhi maybe still happen, but it shouldn't be to the point where Eva is able to kill Natsuhi. In the end of the day, everyone maybe just leave the room to calm their head and discuss things another time. 3. Even if Rudolf and Kyrie have murder intent from the start ,they should brought their own weapon. That aside, how they plan to carry this out? The bomb isn't activated, so they can't really remove the traces. The option probably either burrying the corpses or throwing them to the ocean. However, assuming Kyrie and Rudolf succeed, they still have to remove at the very least 12 corpses (cmiiw). That isn't a simple task. If they burry them, police might still discover Rokkenjima anyway. Since the bomb isn't activated, the traces might be more accessible to be discovered. If they throw them to ocean, there's a possibility that the corpse end up floating and will be arrived somewhere. Either way, it's a risky move. 4. I think Eva surviving in this world probably doesn't leave really good impression on her too. It makes so much sense that she will be accused as the culprit, at the very least shortly after she left Rokkenjima. Further investigation might find out the possibility of Kyrie being a culprit instead of Eva (Kyrie fingerprint on the Riffles and Jessica corpse probably). If someone want to accuse Eva, I don't think they have proof just as strong as Kyrie Fingerprint (Eva wear her gloves, so her fingerprint on the evidence might not be discovered). Ok, that aside, I think it's between Eva needs to reveal the truth or put all blame on herself to protect Ange. The investigation might still be going on, even if Eva intently hide the truth, there's higher possibility that the truth would be discovered compared to Beatrice world.
The main point is the irony that Beatrice, the figure who is lauded as the curse that traps Rokkenjima and the Ushiromiya family and the source of their misery, was never the deciding factor on the tragedy of that night. The Ushiromiyas are a dynasty built on misery and blood, their rotten foundations where going to cave in on themselves any second. Beatrice was just a convenient illusion to distract from that fact, embodied in Sayo Yasuda who had the misfortune of being born as the culmination of everyone's sins. 1. Kinzo set up the bomb way before Lion was born so that no one could steal the gold, and also as a sort of suicide bait to motivate himself to think of a solution every time he had a problem with his business. 2. Even if there are no weapons in the room at that moment, the mansion is still full of them, and the siblings _truly_ hate eachother. Or rather, is more that they all would rather loose than allow the others to win even if they win too. Look at what happened in Sayo's world: splitting the gold evenly was the obvious solution, but the problem is that that would put them all _on equal footing_ , so Krauss pressed things so that he would have an advantage over them. Then when Krauss died and the obvious solution was to split the card and maybe some gold, Rosa took the opportunity to knock Eva down. 3. Back to the first point, Kyrie and Rudolph set the bomb to explode because they realized first than everyone else (including Eva) that the explosion will erase whatever proof of their being a murder on the island, providing them with infallible plausible deniability, a cat box for whatever happens that night. Eva could not stand the stinkeye of the public suspecting her, but Kyrie and Rudolph are much worse lowlifes than her, so they probably thought that wouldn't be a problem.
hi, thanks for explaining. I still feel confused, did kinzo activate the bomb during the epitapth even if it would put Lion in danger? I feel like he wanted Lion to live their best, which also part of his forgiveness to Beatrice. About the bomb, iirc Sayo is the one who explained the detail of the bomb mechanism. It is even after she explained about her plan. How did Kyrie and Rudolf figure out about the bomb in Lion's world? I think without enough detail, they might only know it as a rumor. They might not even know which device to activate, aren't they?
@@someoneelseee_ Again, the mechanism of the bomb exists beyond Lion, although Kinzo probably stopped playing with it with Lion around. Still, both him and Genji are alive in that timeline, and Genji in particular was waiting for Sayo when she solved the epithet in her timeline. Either of them probably explained the mechanism to the siblings, and then Kyrie and Rudolph took their chance.
@@someoneelseee_ Regardless of the world, it was explained that at the time of the family reunion every sibling was in desperate need of money and planing to do anything to get it. It was a situation where everyone could be a killer given the right circunstances, regardless of Beatrice or not. And the room with the gold is the same room with the detonator. Kinzo would probably explain what it was they found it to avoid accidents. Then they would fight, someone would die, and the tragedy happens. Rokkenjima on October 4th and 5th was a powder keg, figuratively and literaly. The only good thing is that in Lion's world Battler would survive and be there for Ange.
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Bernkastel Destroying Ange Using LOGIC and FACTS
More like with CRUELTY and GASLIGHTING
I feel sorry for poor Ange.
Bern is so cruel.
Bern was just spitting up facts, there wasn't ONE fragment where the Ushirumiyas didn't murderthemselves. Even in the possibility that Beatrice hasn’t existed but Leon, the fate would have been the same. That's the truth
She spits facts in a cruel way.
That's all she can have energy to live: seeing other suffering. It's cruel but also sad. She can't anymore feel happiness of simple things like listening music or hanging around friends. She just can't feel it.
@@rikuvakevainen6157bern is a danganronpa fan, that is my golden truth
@@rsg5314 Not really, there was like I think like 1 in a million possiblity that Lion exists and dies later according to Bern, but that doesn't mean that another Lion, second one in 2 million possibilities has to die as well.
Bern's expressions are chaotic🤣
I like how Bern is like 120cm and a fckin menace
Kino
Kinzo
Tragedy in Lion's world still confused me. I think there are things that need to be explained. We're all agree that Beatrice is born because Lion is living the life as Yasuda Sayo, which after they learned the truth, they became twisted and planning on massacre the whole family. However, Lion's world is different, they live as normal human being and don't even have murder intent. So, the tragedy shouldn't be happening..... Right? Ok, it isn't just solely on Lion.
1. The trigger was indeed from VIP Room. However, Beatrice doesn't exist. No one prepare the weapons, such as riffles and the bomb. No one explaining the mechanism of the bomb either. I don't think Kinzo also trying to muder everyone. I believe he wanted Lion to be alive, so he might just proposing the epitapth
2. I'm not sure if any of the adults bring any weapon. I mean they were supposed to come to VIP Room without any weapon, right? In Beatrice world, I feel like Kyrie and Rudolf just spontaneously carried out the massacre because there are opportunity. Beatrice explaining things, leaving all the weapons, which later would be used by Kyrie/Rudolf plan as excuse/alibi if they survive. In Lion's world, they maybe only find the VIP Room. Arguments between Eva and Natsuhi maybe still happen, but it shouldn't be to the point where Eva is able to kill Natsuhi. In the end of the day, everyone maybe just leave the room to calm their head and discuss things another time.
3. Even if Rudolf and Kyrie have murder intent from the start ,they should brought their own weapon. That aside, how they plan to carry this out? The bomb isn't activated, so they can't really remove the traces. The option probably either burrying the corpses or throwing them to the ocean. However, assuming Kyrie and Rudolf succeed, they still have to remove at the very least 12 corpses (cmiiw). That isn't a simple task. If they burry them, police might still discover Rokkenjima anyway. Since the bomb isn't activated, the traces might be more accessible to be discovered. If they throw them to ocean, there's a possibility that the corpse end up floating and will be arrived somewhere. Either way, it's a risky move.
4. I think Eva surviving in this world probably doesn't leave really good impression on her too. It makes so much sense that she will be accused as the culprit, at the very least shortly after she left Rokkenjima. Further investigation might find out the possibility of Kyrie being a culprit instead of Eva (Kyrie fingerprint on the Riffles and Jessica corpse probably). If someone want to accuse Eva, I don't think they have proof just as strong as Kyrie Fingerprint (Eva wear her gloves, so her fingerprint on the evidence might not be discovered). Ok, that aside, I think it's between Eva needs to reveal the truth or put all blame on herself to protect Ange. The investigation might still be going on, even if Eva intently hide the truth, there's higher possibility that the truth would be discovered compared to Beatrice world.
The main point is the irony that Beatrice, the figure who is lauded as the curse that traps Rokkenjima and the Ushiromiya family and the source of their misery, was never the deciding factor on the tragedy of that night. The Ushiromiyas are a dynasty built on misery and blood, their rotten foundations where going to cave in on themselves any second. Beatrice was just a convenient illusion to distract from that fact, embodied in Sayo Yasuda who had the misfortune of being born as the culmination of everyone's sins.
1. Kinzo set up the bomb way before Lion was born so that no one could steal the gold, and also as a sort of suicide bait to motivate himself to think of a solution every time he had a problem with his business.
2. Even if there are no weapons in the room at that moment, the mansion is still full of them, and the siblings _truly_ hate eachother. Or rather, is more that they all would rather loose than allow the others to win even if they win too. Look at what happened in Sayo's world: splitting the gold evenly was the obvious solution, but the problem is that that would put them all _on equal footing_ , so Krauss pressed things so that he would have an advantage over them. Then when Krauss died and the obvious solution was to split the card and maybe some gold, Rosa took the opportunity to knock Eva down.
3. Back to the first point, Kyrie and Rudolph set the bomb to explode because they realized first than everyone else (including Eva) that the explosion will erase whatever proof of their being a murder on the island, providing them with infallible plausible deniability, a cat box for whatever happens that night. Eva could not stand the stinkeye of the public suspecting her, but Kyrie and Rudolph are much worse lowlifes than her, so they probably thought that wouldn't be a problem.
hi, thanks for explaining. I still feel confused, did kinzo activate the bomb during the epitapth even if it would put Lion in danger? I feel like he wanted Lion to live their best, which also part of his forgiveness to Beatrice.
About the bomb, iirc Sayo is the one who explained the detail of the bomb mechanism. It is even after she explained about her plan. How did Kyrie and Rudolf figure out about the bomb in Lion's world? I think without enough detail, they might only know it as a rumor. They might not even know which device to activate, aren't they?
@@someoneelseee_ Again, the mechanism of the bomb exists beyond Lion, although Kinzo probably stopped playing with it with Lion around. Still, both him and Genji are alive in that timeline, and Genji in particular was waiting for Sayo when she solved the epithet in her timeline. Either of them probably explained the mechanism to the siblings, and then Kyrie and Rudolph took their chance.
@@someoneelseee_ Regardless of the world, it was explained that at the time of the family reunion every sibling was in desperate need of money and planing to do anything to get it.
It was a situation where everyone could be a killer given the right circunstances, regardless of Beatrice or not.
And the room with the gold is the same room with the detonator. Kinzo would probably explain what it was they found it to avoid accidents. Then they would fight, someone would die, and the tragedy happens.
Rokkenjima on October 4th and 5th was a powder keg, figuratively and literaly.
The only good thing is that in Lion's world Battler would survive and be there for Ange.
Words are inadequate
This in of itself is a catbox, no? So Will and Lion inadvertently live in a way
What's the ost starting from 0:16?
Infant Queen Bee
@@Agustin-vx8ir Thank you!
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