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Rubber Floor Try | Underground Earthbag Building | Weekly Peek Ep76
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2017
- Again, you have given us so many great sound-proof floor ideas! We decided to go for a rubber floor install as we have never tried it. It is too irresistible! The result is yet to be determined...
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My concern would be cleaning. That loose rubber configuration means dust and pollen and anything else can fall down into the floor, and there's no good way to clean it out ... EVER. If someone accidentally spills milk down there, it'll sour, and then the floor will smell like sour milk for weeks.
The rubber works for playgrounds because it rains outside and washes away all the stuff that falls into the rubber ... but in an enclosed dry room, what ever falls into the floor is pretty much there forever.
Trusty powerful wet/dry vac with appropriate attachments.
ZombieTex they could try adding some more polyurethane, filling in the nooks.
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that would delete the reason for putting it there...the surface would be flat
I love how open you guys are to trying something different or non-conventional.
I'm afraid the smell of the floor will be overwhelming. I love watching your videos. Good job!
CORK is way more eco-friendly and less toxic to you. it's easy on the feet, has the sound proofing and insulating qualities you are looking for, and mostly it's cheap!!!
That was my recommendation after the last video. It's pretty cheap these days and comes in a wide variety of thickness and size for flooring applications.
Cheryl Taylor I loved my cork floor! I had it down in a massage treatment room. Easy to care for, although heavy furniture, without proper floor protectors, did leave dents.
you guys should make a 1ft x 1 ft mold with a couple of 2x4s to make rubber tiles so that you can weigh them down and make the floor more durable, dense and uniform
Something that might look kinda cool, and would be super cheap, would be to cover the floor with glitter before putting the final coat on. Lots of fancy stone tile floors have reflective sparklies. You could do something similar!
As for cleaning the floor, i wonder if you could make the surface less textured by applying some serious heat to the top and flatten it out. possibly with a clothes iron??
I must admit I had my doubts at the beginning but this earth bag building is coming together very nice
Here's the scoop!! Kitty litter Mus-Art floor infill. Buy the natural "bentonite clay" litter which is just absorbent dirt, basically. It comes in various colors which you could use to lay out a mural or decorative floor. :) You can broom/screed it almost flat for ease of maintenance. Seal it and Bam, done. Rock on MLH family.
Edit, Oh yeah...it's cheap too!!
Most creative family ever🤓
Horse stall rubber mat. It's about $38 per 4x8 sheet. 4x10 is a little more.
Yea that stuff is real durable,, not so cool looking though.
And it's dark and smells. But it sure does make a nice durable surface.
Love your videos. Been watching and learning for a long time. I Finally have a chance to hopefully help out. The ground rubber tire approach will not be a long lasting floor without a coat of polyurethane. Poly dries very hard and the result will be a bouncy sound. When we did or workout room we used the locking foam mats like you see in daycares. They were economical and easy to work with. I believe it comes in rolls like carpet now too. I hope this has been of some help. keep up the great work.
Wow you guys are living my dream I had a lot of good ones along the way lived on Maui lived in different lifestyles and now at 67 I wish I had one more life to create but we have a really nice place with the creek up near the Colville National Forest in Washington State tired of the Pacific Northwest Seattle area tired of Maui too much going on loving it out here in the forest love watching you guys
It's an awesome idea. I would use a mini cement mixer to make larger amounts and when the floor is done drying I would use resin to seal the gaps and cover the entire floor with resin, I've seen them cover even dirt floors with resin and it stays amazing.
It sure is great to know that I can offer up an idea and see you guys run with it. I guess that as you get more practiced with is you might be using your resident artist and come up with a dragon in the middle. Thanks again for sharing.
A company called West Systems makes a filler that can be used with polyurethane. You mix the filler into the poly to get a viscosity that works for your application, then pour it onto the finished rubber floor. It would act as almost a glue connecting everything and give you a flattened surface.
It's so great your doing this project as a family, not enough of that. You'll have to vacuum to clean the rubber floor.
Not sure about the rubber floor yet...
You can use gallons of plastidip for sealing and it would still keep the rubber-y-ness.
Since you are talking about putting a floor on the joists already, consider putting one and a half inch strips of sound/vibration absorbing material on the joists first. Strips of low pile carpet, strips of fatigue mat, strips of felt, something like that to help isolate the tappity tap of Diesel's claws (and other stuff) from the floor above when you are trying to capture clean sound down in the depths.
If you ever pull up the carpet you ended up putting in, you could tey horse stall mats. We use them in our garage and they work great for absorbing sound. We bought ours at tractor supply.
Use liquid pour resin. It will dry clear, and will basically be a plastic floor over the dirt. You can also buy the two parts in 50 gal barrels. If you go with the rubber floor.
Good luck vacuuming down there... LOVE YOUR WORK FAM
Suggestion: continue using the coarse rubber mulch concoction. After that, try to get a hold of the fine rubber granules that are used in synthetic athletic turf. Mix that with the urethane and use as a rubberized grout to fill and level the voids in the rubber mulch layer. Or, alternatively, try a mix of rubber mulch, astroturf granules, and urethane to see if you can achieve a smooth, rubberized floor in one step. A playground near me as such a surface in some areas that was mixed, poured, screed and troweled like concrete.
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Why is the "Pushes the Amazing Shinny Red Button Immediately" crossed out!? I swear I clicked that button! xD Ahaha!
i think the large chunks for flooring aren't very attractive, however, its unfinished and it's usefulness severely outweighs its need to look pretty. it does look interesting though, so sometimes things are better for provoking thought, so it's a different type of beauty. i love the idea. im not sure if you've seen it, but in a place where you want to be creative, there are these beautiful diy hanging lights that look like storm clouds that would be great to hang from the ceiling on either floor. they would give a lot of inspiration and would be cool on the top floor since the stove is a dragon. plus led lights can control color and function for different moods and things, they're also very efficient and long lasting. i think that type of project is very fitting for all of your personalities. after you're all done with this, maybe you'll consider a natural pool/pond for swimming, stocking fish for food and growing water living varieties of salad greens. it's something on my off grid list for sure. can't wait for next week!
Love that floor. Thanks for the great video.
YIkes! Those tires are toxic. NBC news has been reporting on crumb rubber soccer fields for years.
Probably not a big deal here since the rubber is sealed in polyurethane. It's still a consideration though.
Good job, y'all are doing great!
Maybe get a couple cans of Flex Seal and seal up all those gaps? Or, just put carpet over it? That's gonna be a major pain to clean if you leave it like that.
Bryson you are a superhero 🎉
I absolutely love your attitudes and ability to overcome obstacles!
To bind the ground up tires, you might look at a clear liquid roof coating. I'm sure you can buy it at Lowe's. I you should decide to use it, please read the MSDS to be sure it doesn't emit bad vapors since you are using it indoors. Good luck
After a lot of thought I believe the easiest most cost effective solution to the studio is to build a soundproof isolation room, this way you don't need to soundproof the whole room and require no acoustic treatment. This will solve many problems including floor treatments as well as how badly a round room is suited to a studio for audio quality. Insofar as floor treatments go, cork or those rubber mats for horse stalls would be your most effective and cost efficient solution. The rubber mulch and polyurethane is going to cause you no end of grief from the smell! For the record, well padded carpet works just fine and is as good as either cork or rubber flooring.
We have looked into building a 3 foot square sound booth.
I would go with bed liner. they use it on cinder blocks to hold them together in case of explosion. it can be sprayed. or rolled / brushed. or on the floor. I'd pour and let flow. maybe over the rubber! good luck!!!
use a pump sprayer to Seal. w either water base poly or oil base. Thin coats dry faster
Just so you know what you needed was "crumb rubber" you can buy it by the pallet very cheap.
Artificial turf! Surface area of blades allows random deflection of sound, soft, easy to vaccuum, fairly affordable...
It's a cool idea, but I don't know how much more toxic you could get than tires and liquid polyurethane, especially inside an air sink like that. Weren't you getting dizzy just laying down that small section? I like the idea of just laying down a sheet of polyethylene and putting thick carpet over it. It would absorb a lot of sound and be nice and soft on your feet.
Once the poly cures it doesn't emit an odor. So, if they use the poly to coat and "glue" everything, it shouldn't emit any more of an odor than any other poly finished item. Polyurethane is used for many furniture finishes, and once cured it almost odorless.
In calling it toxic, I am referring to the entire life cycle of the product, from manufacture, to application, to final use. Once it cures it may be almost odorless, but it doesn't mean it hasn't been a pollution source from the very beginning.
In addition to that rubber granulate, especially from recycled car tires contain large amounts of particles that cause cancer. I'd be aware of that and maybe use dust masks while working on this floor. In europe the use of rubber granulate from car tyres have been banned from use for domestic purposes, these are under stricter regulations than say granulate for industrial purposes. So it would be wise to seal it in proper.
Jesse Grimes I see what you're saying. I misunderstood your initial comment. And I agree, the footprint of the materials is pretty big.
Instead of the impossible to clean rubber floor, you might want to consider truck bed liner. much more durable and it will be fully sealed. Otherwise you may want to just install pad and carpet for the floor if sound deadening is your ultimate goal. they make acoustic carpet specifically for recording studios.
Hi Ya'll!!
what about sawdust mixed with the poly as a leveling compound over the rubber? You would retain the bounciness and the sound deadening qualities but smooth out the surface, give it a nice wood tone and make it finish-able. I was also wondering if you had tried epoxy instead of poly as your binder. That's a common way to do permanent pea-gravel walkways and pea=grave planters, using epoxy as a binder. There is very little curing time, although i honestly have no idea what kind of volatiles are released as it hardens, nor do i know if it ends up being as flexible as polyurethane is once cured.
My Daughters and I will be going the homestead lifestyle this summer and you guys provide so many ideas and so much insight ... Not only that you guys are Soooo inspiring... I Have a teen who suffers crippling depression and an Autistic 6 year old... the homestead life will help us so much and you guys as well... Thank you for existing... Also have you thought about using sawdust or wood shavings mixed with polyurethane as a flooring option... Wine corks are awesome as well!!!
When they ship very large rolls of paper on semi trucks they use a mat made of old tires to protect the ends of the roll from damage from the floor.
The companies that receive the shipments usually just throw them away.
They are usually only about an eighth of an inch thick about 3 ft wide and length varies.
They tear easily but hold up well to foot traffic. They are very uniform and could be stacked
I thought to use them as weed barrier but they weren't really suitable.
If you have a box manufacturer near it may be worth investigating.
If you freeze the rubber with liquid nitrogen then it will be more brittle while in the frozen state and it won't bounce off the shredder blades.
for a sealer use clear lacker and put 2 to 3 coats and u will be golden👌
go on the web and look for rubber flooring, it's not that expensive and a lot of them key together, you can get 3/8" to 1" thickness. Might also look for horse trailer floor covering.
building protection mats.... very cheap and easy to handle.
EVA foam floor padding, like the stuff used in kids playrooms, it is sound dampening, easy to clean, and easy to replace. It should only run about $150 for a room that size. and there would be no issue with off gassing, or even the need to seal it.
Cork dose sound like a much safer option. There is a big risk factor with the toxins that leak from rubber and Pollier thing. Cork may be more expensive, I don't know, but it would still absorb sound and give some bounce 🙃
personally I would go with a slurry of sand cement and sawdust. 4 sand 4 sawdust 1 cement 1 hydrated lime and toss in the tyre chips as well if you like. Finish by tamping down the combined mess. The cement slurry will bind everything else and coat the ingredients so any outgassing will be predominately CO2 rather what can be emitted from tyres and polyurethane. Should be cheap if you can source cheap sand and sawdust. Hardwearing. Another option is cement and glass chips from a recycler to radically cut costs over normal cement flooring and it looks great after polishing. Wet pour rubber is a tad expensive but it could act as a cost effective addition to the tyre chips and polyurethane floor you experimented with to bind and fill gaps. Check out Zulu polished mud floors which are a mix of dung and termite mounds that makes an exceptional earth floor that is easily polished to a mirrorlike finish. I take it you do not ever have wet years or rising damp issues due to you not having a waterproof membrane anywhere in the structure
PVA is another binder you can bulk buy in powder form and would mix well with sawdust as a filler for the experimental rubber floor perhaps
zombie i was thinking the same. I used to do rubber lining for chemical plant we used toluene to prep the rubber it makes the rubber start to melt some and bind together better. read the MSDS first tho make sure the off gassing is not a issue you cant deal with. may need different filters for your 3M respirator. You may find that acetone will do the same trick in the cleaning of the rubber before the polyurethane step. At any rate some good info on some of the rubber lining sites. you may even get the rubber at a good deal if they have scrap bin around just ask for a rubber knife you will never cut it with out one...lol
I would put some two-component silicone on that rubber. That stuff artists use for casting. But I don't know how expensive it would be...
I would try sharpening the blender blades and then add water to the rubber while blending
Try to let it cure a little while and then go over with a compactor, in fact I bet if you did that when putting down the rubber you might get better tighter floor. just wax the bottom of the compactor. like the large flat bottom vibrating for setting pavers. Light bulb after first cure you could fill in the gapes with colored flooring sand and put down a top coat. of urethane.
You might try filling in with sawdust and seal with more poly.
beautiful
what about an outdoor carpet in sections for cleaning?
I just love the tire mulch idea ! Really excited 2 C the finished product. Just worried that if U finish upstairs floor there will not B enough ventilation with the polyurethane. I used it on my floors & the fumes were almost unbearable even with windows & doors open with exhaust fans. PLEASE B CAREFUL ! Take care.
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epoxy floor over the tire would look real nice, and would stop water and off gasing.
My thought is that this will be a difficult floor to clean and may be a trip hazard. What about just laying carpet on the floor? That would make it easy to clean, eliminate the trip hazard, and maintain the nice soft feel of the floor while not altering the acoustic properties. It would be like recycled tire carpet padding! Just an idea.
They did mention they were putting carpet on top of it, (will be nice & soft).
So I guess they will use a vacuum to clean it. still early in the project looks to me.
For the tire floor add clear oppoxie on top
Try ag mat. cheap thick hard rubber flooring designed for animal trailers and stalls.
Sumo wrestling! Looking forward to that video!
Maybe rubber cement as a sealer?... or the mix able rubber latex that ppl use for making model molds?...
They also sell mask making latex by the gallon!.. it's a little pricey but might be the best way to keep the rubber, Bouncy!!!...
Why not compress and cure the flooring in a form, build your own tiles. You'd avoid some off gassing as well if it's a concern. In any case, I'd be looking to compress it much more to avoid the large gaps and use less binder/poly. Similarly, commercial epoxy as used to pebble coat your pool deck would be my binder of choice.
Shredded rubber in smaller "grit" is available commercially too.
Worse case, you use the existing as a subfloor.
Many comments here I didn't really think of, odour etc, but I wonder how comfortable it would be. It looks pointy to me, could you wait till it was half cured then tamp it down to smooth it out. Loving the work again guys
DUH! I just realised your putting carpet on top lol silly me
Please more videos
Hey have you guys not thought about printing out a family picture on a ceramic tile and using it as part of the building process so people can see it in years to come :-) You guys are awesome!
Flooring Sealer - Elastek is an elastomeric roof sealant. Basically it is like thick rubber paint. they make it as a roof sealer for homes here in the desert. We have the upper sun deck on our house coated in it and it stands up to the sun and foot traffic. Might have some rubber smell for a few days while it cures but after that you are good.
elastek.com/products/retail-finish-coats/114theshield/
And it's made in Tuscon. Keep your dollars local and you might be able to save if you pick it up directly.
A "poultice" of sand or fine sawdust and polyurethane squeegeed over the top of the floor to fill the crevices, maybe?
over the rubber floor, that is.
Rubber and poly is not safe. But I love they way you build ty
Try an old meat grinder. I have looked at how to get it smaller and that is something I was thinking about.
I am surprised you didn't have hundreds of comments telling you that there are no tools tough enough to mulch tire rubber.
hey Bryson, with your haircut and facial hair, you remind me of Arthur Darvill as Rory on Dr. Who or Rip Hunter on DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
What if you could get the rubber mats that snap together like they put on a garage floor that comes in all kinds of colors ! =) =)
you should put glass above the ruber
MORE SHAE! She's adorable
Gabriel Strom Shae is my least favorite one, Bree is much cooler
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One good mosh pit down there, and I doubt the floor would survive.
Uhhh, how ya gonna clean that floor? Lots o' nooks and crannies!
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I don't see how you can seal it and still keep the sound deadening. my thoughts are epoxy, so you can still see your cool floor. but that would waste the expense of the mulch.
Hmm. Just had a thought. What about using a heat gun or an iron to soften the top of the floor. then use a dirt tamper (sprayed with some cooking spray, I think that would work on the stickage) to flatten it out a bit. Then you can use an oil based poly to seal it... without having deep puddles of poly that will dry cloudy. Rollt it on uber thin a couple of times and maybe the gassing issue will be solved while not breaking the bank and keeping some sound deadening.
I love everything you guys do but I really don't like that rubber mulch floor. Maybe kids rubber puzzle mats? Walmart sells them for cheap. They come in different colors, sizes, and materials
contact the Grange hall in Taylorsville, Ca for details on a floor with flex.
I would've tried the nutribullet.
I'm just curious. How do y'all plan on cleaning that floor? You do have teenagers so I can only imagine they'll be eating down there. Can't mop it. Can't vacuum it. Can't sweep it.
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what's wrong with diesel? too much sun baking that dark head of his! silly doggy. will you be featuring more of shae's project anytime soon?
I have a concern about using this product in an enclosed space. Doesn't it have a toxic component? My son-in-law is in environmental tester and has mentioned tires as toxic. I thought that was why they use this as mulch and playground padding because it is outside. Just wondering...
Oh, yeah one more last thing.... HURRY UP , We want to see it finished... lol
I am really worried about the odors you're going to be getting from that I think it will be very toxic. You should look into something low VOC since you're going to be at such a airtight area.
I'd can that flooring idea. Read the comments below. Too much toxicity. Carpet padding is recycled material with outdoor carpet on top of it. There's plenty of different colors these days and if you look on Craigslist sometimes you can find great deals.
are there issues with "offgassing" when using tire bits? (heard this is a big problem with earthships using tire thermal mass walls)
How ya gonna clean the floor if there are gaps between the rubber bits?
What's the cost contrast for the rubber flooring ?
why didnt you just put in EVA foam floor mats??
ok the big ? is why are you putting it down so thick . it looked like it was about 1/2 to 1 inch thick . it might work better to go 1/4 of a inch so it can cure out faster
you can do a 2nd coat on it to make it thicker if needed . or make a few molds and make them outside were they can sit in the sun to cure
I think that floor texture will be impossible to clean.
Did you consider buying the ready made recycled rubber mats and cutting them to fit like carpet, in my area they are readily available at farm stores like Rural King, Tractor supply Quality Farm and Fleet, Big Blue and they use them in horse stalls, under equipment, standing mats for work areas they are pretty cheap and available in sizes like 3'& 4'x6',8',&10' they are about 1/2" thick and they are smooth so you can move chairs with wheels over them, They probably wouldn't even require to be glued down, And man you are going to use a truck load of urathane and that suff isnt cheap if you buy the flexible kind.
Having been in the construction business for 36 years I love the fact that you guys just try everthing I am curious what area or county are you in that doesnt have 800 pinheaded Government employees telling you all the things you cant do, We couldnt do any of the things you are doing here, I want to find a place like this to retire to so I can spend my remaining days doing stuff like this.
Just my thoughts love the show, You guys are the best, Continued success. Greg
I love your videos! BUT I'm going to be honest here, in my opinion those tire floors are not very attractive and I wish you guys would have plastered the downstair walls. The thing that bothers me about the walls is that they feel unfinished. You all put so much time into building them, why not just finish the job? The things that irk me about the tire flooring is that they will be next to impossible to clean and the health risks just aren't worth it.
I don't want to just give you guys constructive criticism. I want to also applaud you guys on the things I personally love about the project as well. As far as the roof, the intricacy is very beautiful and unique! The sky light is a perfect match to the roof and the clear brick tiles were very innovative! The circle inside a circle idea is very natural and eye catching. Also it saves space beautifully. I can't wait to see what you guys do next. Thank you for sharing your journey!
one last thing. How about contracting to build these homes else where for other people??? codes all over are changing for new building tech. I mean why meet the standard when you can be the standard!!!!