Tesla Model 3 Hypermiles On UK Country Roads, Does It Make A Difference?
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- Опубліковано 30 кві 2021
- If I used the same amount of electricity to cook a roast dinner? How many miles would that translate to in powering a Tesla Model 3? Can you hypermile a Tesla Model 3 to get even further?
Thats looked at in this video, where I'll compare what Tesla claims the MPGe is of the Model 3, versus what it can actually do under normal driving conditions, then we will go all out to increase the range, by doing the same route, but this time hypermiling to see how much further we can go.
The limit is 5kWh of battery used on each trip, accurately measured using a diagnostic tool. Can anybody beat what I get? Let me know in the comments? Could this be a new electric car challenge :)
The second attempt will see me adjusting my driving style, aerowheels, tyre pressures, excess weight and obviously the big one the effect the HVAC has on the Tesla Model 3's range.
How much further can you take a Model 3 by hypermiling on just 5kWh of electricity? Time to find out!
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Great video mate, really interesting stuff thanks.
No probs, glad you enjoyed it, more to come using this tool, its awesome
Adding a full mile per kWh is actually quite significant! Great video.
It makes you wonder whether taking the scenic routes to destinations might be the way forward. Be nicer views and better efficiency, it will just take a little longer
That’s better than my Leaf and I was probably driving the car you were stuck behind 😂
Ordered my Model 3 last week using your referral link, so hopefully you'll see extra miles in your account soon.
Awesome Gary, thanks for that. It'll help pay for all the road trips I have planned :). Very jealous you will be getting the much improved Made in China version. Enjoy it :)
Great video. Good to see the return of the cat, McLovin.
He loved the sun :)
Great example of how far ahead Tesla is in terms of efficiency
Totally agree, the fuel efficiency website highlights it really that the Model 3 is at the Top for loads of variants. Hyundai are close though to be fair
Love seeing you drive around my cycling routes 🤣
That is how I found where to drive, I cycle round there myself. It’s a good little circuit
Thanks for a great video! If you put the model 3 in chill mode can you push accelerator pedal fully to get full power ie none chill ? What app is that your using ? How much is it ? And does it require hardware ? I watch Tesla bron uses scan my Tesla looks good .
I don't think so, I'm sure I've tried it before and it doesn't do it. Be a good feature though to save you having to switch between the modes. The app was Tes Lax, and you need the same hardware for Scan my Tesla. I did buy Scan my Tesla originally as more user friendly, but it appears a bit limited on iOS, seems better on Android which is where it started. The TesLax one is more complicated, so still getting my head round it
Thanks for another great video! What's the name of the app?
I'll do another video on it to explain. The App is Tes Lax, but you need an OBD device to plug into the Model 3, so its not quite a simple as just the app
That’s pretty interesting! Would be good to see how a petrol or diesel car compares on that exact same route and what you can get if you really concentrate on driving style! Good video. 👍🏽
that’s not a bad shout. I also fancy trying it on a longer more high speed journey. I was surprised at the regen number, but proves that on a higher speed, regen wont effect the hypermiling element
@@TeslaTorque yeah, would agree. I think there’s probably a lot more factors with a petrol or diesel engined car, especially with a manual gearbox. Look forward to the follow up video comparison. 😁
Great! Can you share the diagnostic tool you're using please?
Yep, its just TesLax app, but you need a bluetooth adapter for your OBD2 port, which isn't the cheapest way to find out geeky stats on your Model 3 :)
Model X is a fun one to try and hypermiler, thankfully I've got years of experience and also have only had to do it a handful of times
What kind of numbers do you get? Must be difficult with the extra weight?
@@TeslaTorque the weight and wide tires make it tough, my best is the high 200s, average in the mid 300s (when not really trying) and on the track about 400-500 (lower than all the Model 3s especially the Performance ones that day at the track, and I wasn't being easy on it as you can see in the video)
Another great video. What I like about your channel is that you cover a lot of material we don't see elsewhere. 😎 Who needs another delivery day video? Definitely deserve more subs. Not sure whether I've missed something obvious, but what is the diagnostics tool? You don't seem to mention it anywhere. Reminds me of the BBC shows where the manufacturer's/product's name is always hidden😉
I don’t really understand it, it’s the device you plug into the vehicles port to monitor the cars diagnostics, it’s mostly used for monitoring emissions in combustion’s cars. You then get a Bluetooth app to access the info
OK. Thanks. I used to use Torque in my MX5 plugged into the OBD2 port. A lot of people use Scan My Tesla but yours doesn't look like that or Torque. I just set up Teslalogger on my M3P using a Raspberry pi and linked it to ABRPLanner..so lots of nerdy hours to come🙂
@@TeslaTorque I think he was asking what’s the name of the app
@@SirHackaL0t. I think I was👍
It was TesLax and you need to have a bluetooth connection from the OBD2 port, I bought the OBD MX+ device that "Scan my Tesla" app suggest
nice
I was pretty surprised at the numbers to be fair, even though I wasn’t driving particularly quick. On the country roads I’d say I was between 40-50mph. So some decent numbers
Thank you for doing this very informative video. I have found that there is a significant difference in mileage depending on whether the battery is at ambient temperature or near an 80 degree F operating temperature. Did you observe the battery temperatures for the runs and can one elevate the battery temperature to an optimal point before beginning the trip?
You can monitor battery temperature through it. I did look and it didn't really change much between runs, but not sure whether it was at optimal or not. The only way I could think of elevating the battery temperature before setting on would be to program that you are going to a supercharger so it starts to pre-condition the battery, or start to charge it. Either way though I imagine its going to use more energy than it saves. You could schedule departure on your console so that the battery finishes charging just before you set off, to have it as warm as possible
Thanks
Interesting video!
Cheers. Cant wait to do more with the diagnostics tool 😬
@@TeslaTorque can u do a v3 video? 2 per cent to. 90.per cent? In a v3 supercharger? Please?
2%!!! If I get that wrong driving to the supercharger I'll be screwed 😂, Yep, I'll revisit the supercharging again as I failed to get anywhere near the expected 170kW on my first attempt, may not go as low as 2% though :)
How did you remove the center cap to put on the aero cover?
I tried and it's very hard!
A very little screw driver, one that usually gets out those tiny electronic screws or repairs iPhones. I was worried about that very moment when I first put them on. You just need to be careful not to scratch the alloys
Great demo. In my experience with the app, the car gives an erroneous amount to 'regen' braking. It appears your app has the same error. My best efficiency test run was 177 Wh/mile, with a Model S.
What makes you think it was wrong? I had no reason to doubt it? and it fitted with the wh/mile stats that’s the console gave?
@@TeslaTorque based on my experience, 2.77 kWhr of regen is not realistic on a 4.5 kWhr journey. Your trip was not particularly hilly. There was no major elevation change. There didn't seem to be much stop and go traffic. Based on the app, Regen was 2/3 of 4.5 kWhr, which would mean you're gaining 2 miles worth of regenerative energy for every 3 miles you travel. Based on what i can see in the video, that's why I questioned the accuracy of the regen calculation. On the energy graph, you should see 2 miles of green regen for every 3 miles of orange. Do you see that on the graph?
What is the diagnostic app you are using please, would really help me work out the true cost of charging at home
Hi Martyn, possible not worth it, you need to buy an OBD port device, that Bluetooths to your phone, then the App was Tes Lax, but expensive way of doing it. I'll do another video and ask you guys to suggest what you want me to test. Save everyone buying one :)
Clutch-in freewheeling uses more fuel than coasting in gear on most modern cars! Do you usually lean towards driving in standard mode most of the time then? I almost exclusively use chill and occasionally switch to standard when some clown pulls up beside me in an M140i
It's a pain to switch though, they really need an override when you nail it!
Completely agree 👍
I have recently bought and fitted an OBD2. There is a video available by another UA-camr showing how to put the car to sleep before inserting the unit. As I have Android I use Scan my Tesla. My only problem is the difficulty of neatly providing power to the phone whilst mounting it at dashboard level. I have a 2021 MiC Model 3 which has the very neat cordless charging pads. Whilst this is a good upgrade, the USB cables are inside the front console locker and it isn't easy to route USB cables from there up to dashboard level without the cable looking a mess. With the pre 2021 Model 3 it was possible to find a hidden exit to the console locker. The new centre console is sealed. If I could even find a hidden 12v source close to the steering wheel shroud that would be an alternative. If anyone has any ideas on this I would appreciate it.
Soz, I don’t run mine all the time, so I just use it as and when. Hopefully someone else will come up with a plan
i went out and i put car in to sport mode and went to the same place as i had done on standard mode
The simple fact is that the modes make no difference it is more dependant on how you drive as in standard and sport mode i got the same 5.6 miles to a kW. the bigger difference came to the display i had in sports mode.
For most tests you can not match what happens on the road. nor get speed to be the same all the time. the saving may be just down to your mind set to not be as aggressive on the accelerator.
for me the first miles i do the car is charging up the 12v for the 1st apx 10 miles after that is just replacing what is used. this has effect on the miles to a kW. which can for this be in the 4 miles a kW once this is done the miles then climb up to end with most trips at the 5.4 to 5.6 with mixed driving.
yep. I just find it easier to do slow controlled acceleration in chill mode, where as standard it’s easy to overdo it and use more power. but you’re right, if you accelerate the same, the mode will make no difference. it’s just harder to do it slow in standard, the temptation gets the better of me 😂
Good consumption. I wish I could do that in my Model 3. :)
Go out driving on a Sunday and you won't have a problem :)
@@TeslaTorque Actually, we went out on Sunday and drove to the new Rugby services. Got 206wh/m which I was happy with. :)
Great video - what is the diagnostic tool? Will you make a video about it?
It looked like tes-lax but I’m not sure why he kept it a secret!?
Yep, it was Tes-lax, wasn't intending to keep it a secret, just you need the additional hardware for it to work, so didn't want loads of people trying to download it, not realising that you need additional stuff for it to work
@@TeslaTorque , let me ask you this, I have the harness and the app but every time I try to install it it doesn’t work, my car wakes up but when I press the brake again it does not turn on (no indication of the gear shift scale on the left side). I’m wondering if my cable is the culprit. Mine is a 2021. Did you have any issues?
You should be charging to full running this experiment then using an evse charger with energy meter to charge to full again. This method probably understates consumption by 15% or so since the energy meter in the car doesnt measure charging losses which you still need to pay for
I'm not quite sure what you mean? I would have thought that if I started with say 35kWh of battery on the diagnostic tool, then drove until the 30kWh that would have been a 5 kWh drain regardless of the source? I understand if I was just using the Model 3 wh/mile as it wouldn't consider stationary/phantom drain? My aim was to see the energy consumption on a trip and how driving technique could improve it, not necessarily say over the entire week, which like you said would then include phantom drain and would skew figures.
The diagnostics gives you a breakdown of total discharge of the battery in kWh, versus total kWh used driving, so I guess the difference between the two would be the phantom drain and for an MPGe over the lifetime, would be the total discharge/odometer
@@TeslaTorque This 5kwh is a measurement of battery to wheels. from the point of view of cost you are paying for kwh from the wall so it will take more than 5kwh from the wall to give you 5kwh from the battery. The difference should be stationary loss like you said as well as the charging losses and just generally speaking the wall meter on something like a chargepoint should be more accurate. The epa numbers for example are supposed to be wall to wheels. I'm curious about this because based on the Tesla forums people have been seeing like 20-30% worse than what is displayed in the car measured this way.
I must be doing something wrong, in my M3P the best I generally get (on a warm day) is 280
Whats your temperature gauge set at? Mine generally hovers around 20C, and that can give me 250 wh/mile without thinking about it. Tyre size, pressure, driving style, average speed will all affect it.
If you are doing lots of straight runs at reasonable speeds where regen braking doesn't contribute much, 280 would be about right. In winter I get 300-330 wh/mile. If you are in the UK, the outside temperature is still meaning the heater is going to be keeping the cabin warm, and that hammers range, maybe try reducing your cabin temperature and using the heated seats instead?
@@TeslaTorque My temp is usually 20 all tyre pressures fine.. Perhaps it's my lead foot lol
14d outside but you’re using the AC because the Sun is heating the car? Is all of the glass in a Tesla an overheating problem?
I hadn't given it much thought until this video. But I wonder if they have done this on purpose, that on a cold day outside, you are almost using solar heating to keep the car warm, which avoids using the energy intensive heater, and therefore better range. The aircon unit keeps the car cool even on hot days and doesn't use anywhere near as much energy as the heater, so its the better position to be in. I've never thought it too warm....but then I'm in the UK ;)
@@TeslaTorque I'll admit that I've yet to sit in a Tesla, but I've often wondered how all that glass would go in a hot Australian summer.
To be honest, when it is 14deg outside and sunny, I feel quite hot in my Leaf and need to turn on the AC :)
I regularly get over 6miles to the kwh on the way home from work in my kona
That's pretty sweet! What kind of speeds are you averaging? Kona is such an efficient car!
@@Harakai100 its suburban type commuting, there is a short 60 mph section but mostly 30 - 40 and bits of traffic, the app tells me avg is around 25mph. I don't use the heating all that much, the car is quite warm most days after sitting in the open all day.
Hyundai are very efficient cars, but that is great MPG
Hyundai Ioniq will do that. Well, you did ask.
But the Tesla is a better car for many reasons.
Just wish i could afford one!
What can you get out of the Ioniq? Hyundai seem pretty efficient from what people have said. I was just going off the MPG website, maybe it varies from websites, as the Ioniq was only just under the Model 3 on that website.
'Tell me another car company...' Fine, how about Hyundai Ioniq? 😉 Especially at low speeds, like you drove, the Ioniq is more efficient....but other than that, the model 3 is very good. I have driven an Ioniq for 2,5 Years and now I'm waiting for my model 3 to arrive in Germany.
Very interresting Video, by the way. :)
You are true, the Ioniq and Hyundai are very good for efficency, but according to the stats Tesla are still above them.....just 😁, but you are right, they are a very close second. I guess you will be able to get the top speed out of it on the old autobahn, enjoy it when it finally arrives and thanks for watching from Germany, appreciate it
Also efficiency is easier to achieve if you aren't trying for long range. The Ioniq has a much shorter range and therefore has a significant weight advantage. Kinetic energy is directly proportional to mass so for example, a 20% weight saving will reduce energy consumption by a similar amount.
You wanted to see another car that does better than 5.x miles /kWh. Aptera does 10.
That is a cool looking car, in a SciFi way. Be interesting to see if it does make it to market, although not sure the solar would get much action in the UK 🌧
Yes it is. If there is any plants in UK then there is Your can get 8k miles (12000 kms)/year see www.aptera.us/never-charge
Given there are alpha and beta models are running around San Diego US, automotive press showing off the car in action, their 3D printing approach, reusing existing parts, funding and already commenced mass manufacturing because they have $ 250M orders it is more likely they will deliver than any other cars.
Collab with mark brown?
His car would beat mine is a drag race :) What would you like us to Collab and create?
Hypermiling actually tries to minimize all braking. You should coast instead of regen braking.
Guys as dry as morning toast
Had to stop watching due to bs imperial. Kwh / 100km pls
You actually have a really good point, as although the majority of my audience are in the UK and US, there are loads that use KM, I’ll try and add the conversions in a graphic 👍🏻
@@TeslaTorque thank you! you make sense, your'e easy to understand, your content has novelty so no reason to throw the potentially international viewership away. Good luck in your further endeavours!