This might be the most "scientific" range test I've come across short of running the car in a lab. Taking into account the wind, tyre pressure, EPA Highway miles instead of the combined range, you even took the "below 0" buffer into account (which could be another 15 or so miles on top of the 310), unlike another tester *cough* Edmunds *cough*. Great job!
According to my calculations you drove for 4 hours and 25.7 minutes 😄. That’s a young man’s endurance territory (in my younger years this was doable)…. Thanks Tom!
Oh, there was a bathroom break in the middle. There are rest stops right on the Turnpike, so it's about a 1/2 mile total off course to stop for 5 mins.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney So in the real world, with real human bladders, what we need is each of these stops to have chargers. Range will outlast the toilet/food craving!
You should check your prostate man. 12 hours is young mans territory. I easily sleep 8 hours not needing to pee and I'm 40. Nothing special about me. Using prostate issues to convince people that they don't need more range is overused, and it's not working. It's not cute either.. There's already more supply than demand for these as second cars for commutes and cool factor. But the people who don't have the luxury of multiple cars, that range matters. And honestly the whole point was to save money. Easy to save money when you aren't going anywhere. The best option is Model S LR but that's still $60k for a car with 30k miles and 2 years old. And that car barely meets the needs of someone living in Vegas wanting to go camping on the weekends in say Archs National Park. Few charging spots out there means you need to ne able to drive 100 miles away from a charger to the park. Then limit driving so you still have range to get back to the charger. BLM campsites don't have power outlets...
That's reassuring, many thanks for doing that. My first road trip is coming up and I was worried about what kind of range to expect going that fast on the highway. It's only about 100 miles each way but I'm a noob at EV's haha! Thanks again!
He'd get it at 65 because aerodynamic drag is an expontial increase in drag, not linear. 6% slower could easily be 15% less drag. Also bottom buffer is about 30 miles, had he drove it right down it would of also hit 330, thats how the epa tests.
@@larryspiller15 Bottom buffer varies; Edmunds showed the car doesn't always give the same range after 0%, making it risky to assume how much range you may have remaining. If Tesla wanted people dipping into this range, they wouldn't have been so conservative in setting the 0% mark. As to EPA... it's interesting that IEVs has started using the EPA _ highway _ range instead of the combined range, but most OEMs still advertise only their combined range on their sites, which many people may confuse as being the highway range that they'll get on long trips. Why companies aren't stating their city / highway / combined ranges like they do with MPG is anyone's guess. Probably because media has confused people into believe they need all the range they get for the car to be capable of road tripping, so showing the lower highway EPA rating may turn people off. Just a guess.
Great test. I wish you could do an 80 or 85 MPH test for those of us who live in areas with faster highways. Going 70 around here is right lane material.Of course that's not really practical as one must then contend with exit/entrance merge traffic constantly.
Nice video ! New range king ! Efficiency king is still the 2020 Ioniq, 4.5 mi/kWh, tested by Tom himself. A semi range test would also be nice, where an EV would be driven from 70% to 20% and the distance driven would be multiplied by 2 to get the approximate range. Sure that is extrapolation, but it saves time and electricity, especially when those 517 mile EVs arrive.
Great stuff Tom….my only head scratcher is I can’t believe out of all the 70 mph hwy tests I’ve watched of yours, this is the first one that actually ran into traffic! I can’t imagine traffic got that much better since I lived in NY…LOL!
I try to do it when I have the best chance of not hitting too much traffic. Also, I did most of the 70 mph range tests in the past year and traffic was lighter due to fewer people driving during COVID.
Great Test Tom , Hopefully, you will be the first person to test the range of the Mercedes EQS(Range 770km-480miles) in the same condition (70mph and A/C on)
I have the 2020 model y DM long range with the acceleration boost and just love it. Waiting on my cybertruck tri-motor. Wonder how the 500 mile range is going to do, if I get 380-400 I'll be a happy camper.
Interesting ...comparing screen shots of the 2019 test & 2021; same wh/m at 234. But the KWH used numbers were quite different (68 in 2019 vs 73 in 2021). I know the numbers aren't exact & you drove past 0% this time. Not sure how accurate the car is in reporting some of these figures. Curious how many miles on your 2019 when you did the test vs your 2021 as far as degradation goes. Despite all of those numbers (which can sometimes make my brain hurt) you ended up with a better result. Thanks for doing these - great info!
@@paulprice6799 We don't know that for certain, and if so how much bigger? The 2021 Performance Model 3 does have an 82 kWh battery (we originally thought all 2021's would, but it turned out only the Performance versions do) It has a 78 kWh pack, which some reported that previous model years also had.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney the 2019 or 2021? 0-100-0 - that doesn't do anything to the battery. The BMS on Tesla works differently - you have to leave the car unplugged and off (no sentry) at different state of charges over a couple of weeks to a month. Then you can gain back some of the messed up BMS. Basically the best way to screw up your BMS is to charge it high (60%/80%), never let it down during regular charges and have sentry mode running most of the time. This will kill the BMS.
Tom! Wow 👍 you do the best range test so much more accurate than anyone else! Also the fact I use the same highways too lol that is awesome 305miles to 0% with large buffer under 0% very impressive, So your setup is 2021 LR with 19” aero-wheels/cover on correct? Nice 👍 .. I never tried doing just 70mph in my 2017 M3 but it was always good for 250miles with mix driving daily going to/from work and basic local driving each week, I would only charge up once per-week .. the model 3 is a nice daily driver ... BTW going at 60-65MPH range test and you should be able to hit the EPA ..
The glass roof is terrible for heat gain, requiring a lot of A/C energy use. Wrapping my white Model Y's roof here in San Diego has made a night and day difference in solar gain, with *much* less use of the A/C.
Interesting. I’m in NJ and I have a 2019 Model 3. I didn’t feel the need for a shade or tinting last summer, albeit it bakes when it’s parked. We’ll see this summer.
@@petebremy49 The sun in the southwest is very intense (southern latitudes and dry air). I moved here from the east coast and was shocked. Even with ambient temps in the 60s, you need to run A/C if windows are mostly up. Everyone tints their windows; I have 3M Crystalline-pricey but worth it.
Thanks Tom. Always love your format and consistency. The 2021 has a heat pump (should not make a diff in warm conditions?) and I believe a larger pack (82 kwh vs 75 kwh before). The diff seems to be due to the extra 4 kwh that was used during this test (72 kwh vs 68 kwh before). That would mean the buffer is even bigger now? Did you notice any diff in charging time and specifically in how long you were charging at peak rates? I hope to get a MS LR later this year and you would be welcome to test it. I will let you know if/when I do unless you already got a test model. Thanks again!!
My car doesn't have an 82 kWh pack. When the 2021 Model 3 launched, most (including me) believed that Tesla was putting 82 kWh packs in all new 2021 Model 3s, but now we know that not the case. They were only using the 82 kWh pack for Performance Model 3's. The latest news is that Tesla will start using the 82 kWh pack in all Model 3s starting very soon (all we know is Q2 2021). The difference is most likely due to my 2019 Model 3 having lost capacity because it was a year old and also the fact that I drive 5 miles past zero in this new test.
Thanks for another informative video, Tom. Would you consider another test of the Setec CCS adapter on several different system chargers. There are likely several thousand Tesla owners holding off purchasing one until after the dependability stops being a crap shoot.
Hey Tom. Great video. How much difference do you think the heat pump will make in the winter? That's the principal advantage I see between your older and now this new Model 3. My experience with my Standard Range Plus with the resistive element heater is that I can take a big range hit when it's cold. Keep up the great work!!!
It does make a considerable difference. I had a 2019 with the resistive heating system and sold it and bought the 2021 with the heat pump. I didn't do a comprehensive test, but I can say for sure it was more efficient in the colder months.
My 2019 - AWD - Long range tesla shows 29kWh / 50% battery used and 100 miles driven on one straight drive after full charge .. and it is 75kWh battery - how do i prove to tesla there is issue with my car ? I appreciate your video's and thank you for doing this.. I am having range issues - 100% charge only shows 250 miles on dashboard and Another experiment - one straight drive from Nanuet to Harrisburg PA - 178 miles (65 degrees) - when i reached 23 miles left showed on dashboard - pretty scary...This issue started with one tire charge due to puncture in Nov 2020 by Tesla (before it was fine and was showing 298 on dashboard also) .any tip you can give to establish there is issue here ? to Tesla ? It feels like part of battery is broken or disconnected..
Would love to have you do a video on the Tesla Model 3 with LFP battery. I am totaly confused about how to charge-- Charge everyday to 100% seems to be what is recommended, but what if you sometimes don't drive for 2-3 days? Is it detrimental to the battery's degradation to have it sit at 100% for a period of time? or can anyone even answer this with any degree of confidence?
So given that the consumption was the same as your 2019, is the available battery larger in the new M3? 16 miles [305-289=16] would require 3.75 additional kWhs at 234 kWh per mile.
@@jeffg9612 Yup the math is right. It's difficult to say exactly if the battery is larger for 2021. Initial reports were that is was now 82 kWh, but then it was confirmed that was only for the performance version, which this isn't. We believe it has a 78 kWh pack (Tesla won't release its battery information as most other OEMs do), as the previous years did. But It's really hard to know for sure since Tesla won't release the official capacity.
What temperature? 30 degrees? 5 degrees? It makes a difference. It could be as much as 30% in the worst conditions, bitter cold, wind, snow-covered roads.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney sorry - I should have clarified. I’m thinking a typically cold New England day - maybe temps in the 20s-30s. Just trying to get a sense of much range degradation to expect (approximately). I have a 200 mile commute a few days a week and am trying to figure out best EV options. Thanks again!
With respect to this extra range you get below 0 SOC. You likely won't get that extra range if you tried this when the car was a few years older. A new EV lets you access more of the battery. As the battery ages, the accessible bandwidth drops. It appears Tesla lets you access this extra bit, other manufacturer's might not.
VW do the same thing now, put 2 kWh under 0%. Nissan with their leaf too. You will be using that buffer for at least 100-150,000 miles. The main issue is the BMS misscalibration, not the battery, if you know what you are doing and have the right tools and keep the BMS in check, you can use that buffer indefinitely. It also shrinks proportional to degradation in % from total available capacity according to the BMS
Great video. With 4 people in the Model 3, avg. total weight of 800 lbs including suite cases and with the ac on blast at 70f. Outside temp of 100f and driving at 70mph would the range be 180 to 200 miles? We need real world family test driving. My 2013 Toyota Avalon limited gives me 30 mpg on highway speed with the condition listed above. I understand that city driving is better but every once in a while we have to travel and would love to know what to expect while traveling with the family.
Chill mode doesn't do anything at AP speeds, only acceleration. You will get about 5-10% less range, give or take. But the newer Ys will come with the bigger battery soon, so 300 miles.
@@marcusbiller867 Your wrong! I have a 2018 Long Range model 3 rear wheel drive and I'm getting better efficiency on road trip using the CHILL MODE while using EAP compare to using STANDARD MODE.
@@rj8u I am? Mine what? So you took two identical 2018 cars, same tires, same battery SOC and drove them at the same time, one after the other, with keeping exact distance, one in Chill mode and one in standard mode, with EAP and tested it and came to that conclusion? Because if you didn't, "your" wrong...
Try to get your hands on one of the 2020 model S long range plus and do the test. It will easily beat similar sized packs in Taycan, etc. It will just show how much Tesla cars are more efficient than the competitors.
Is nice that you and others are doing these range tests. EPA range tests are unreliable. I’m much more important to have an accurate range estimate on a BEV versus an ICE vehicle. When driving long distances I estimate my range as 3 miles for each percent of battery remaining of my Tesla 3. This is way better than the 2.5 miles I can expect on my MME
Kyle's awesome - we're good friends but we have different styles, which is good for both of us. We have our own followers but there are definitely people that follow us both. Thank you for the support.
We have a 2020 M3 SRP and a 2021 MY LR. We do a few long trip a year. Plus we live in Atl and have a home in Florida so e drive 5-6 hours once a month. My question is does it REALLY make a difference for arrival time to Drive below 70 for 400-500 miles and arrive EARLIER to your destination or just drive like I normally would??? Most of my Tesla friends swear you will arrive quicker even with charging if you stay below 70mph. I generally charge to 90-95% each stop then just drive.
I know it's probably a very arbitrary figure, but having a matt finish rather than gloss must have a small effect on the drag co-efficient and reduce range a little?
need your advice, i drive between 130 to 160 miles per day , a mix of city, country and freeway driving, should i buy a model 3 rwd standard range or a long range awd? thank you for your help
The RWD standard range will be fine for your daily needs as long as you can charge daily at home. It should always always do 160 miles, even in the winter when the driving range is less.
1:56: Why do you think its Tesla's speedometer that is slightly fast as opposed to your GPS being slightly slow? I would have thought that out of the two the car would have the more accurate data upon which to calculate your speed.
I use two different GPS apps to test the speedometer of all the cars I di the range tests on. The two different apps are always in sync. Many others have also noted the speedometers are off also. That's not uncommon.
Hi Tom! GREAT video!! Question have you ever done a range test on a M3 SR+? I currently have a M3 sr+ purchased in Sept 20202. I would be VERY interested on what you found( if you did it) or what you will find ( if its in the works)! Thanks
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney damn wish I loved there.. Although I do have family up there BUT none have Teslas! If by any chance come dwn to s.fl..i will be more than happy to loan you mine:)
Great video Tom. What was the elevation change from start to finish? I think Tesla needs to add more v3 superchargers on the 10, 40 and 70 highways from west to east coast. Lacking there.
When was this LR built? The new ones coming out this Q2 or next will have even bigger batteries and more range. You will be able to get about 15-20 miles more. Test them in September or late Q3.
@@tommyvercetti7854 EPA documents and the first one are already delivered in Europe. Any Model 3 LR produced after 1 April has bigger battery, heated steering and new trim teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/master-thread-2021-model-3-charge-data-battery-discussion-etc.214484/page-65
@@tommyvercetti7854 not yet ALL. There are still some LR with the old batteries in circulation. But soon. I guess as soon as Tesla announces the added range on their website, the bigger battery is there.
Thanks Tom. It is interesting that you had same wh/mile numbers for both the 2019 and 2021 model range tests. So what made the '21 drive 15 miles more than the '19 ? Was it change in weight, temperature, wind, or change in battery capacity or buffer between the two models? I am hoping to find out what efficiency is added by the heat pump. I hope you can do a colder weather test with the two cars in tandem so they are in identical conditions.
The 2019 was a year old and had ~15K on it so I already lost about 2 kWh from normal capacity loss. That's good for 8-10 miles alone. Plus, I drove 5 miles past zero this time, and I didn't do that with the 2019.
I could have but honestly, it wouldn't have made a difference. A certain amount of energy is needed to maintain a comfortable environment in the cabin, it really doesn't matter which setting it was on. I was keeping the temperature right on the edge of me being comfortable/uncomfortable.
Being a long time Model 3 owner, do you think Tesla released some of their buffer after some time on their previous version? I’d be curious to know how many kWh you used for that 100-0% run.
Is there a way to "turn off" AWD, and just have a RWD car to increase range on road trips? Is there a mechanical reason why this shouldn't be possible?
Yes, you can "turn off" AWD, the front motor vapurates via software and the weight of the car reduces... The front motor is not running at these speeds, it is the weight... You can't turn off weight.
@@marcusbiller867 The Model 3 doesn't allow you to switch to only 2wd, so no, you cannot. Of course it's technically possible, but Tesla does not offer that option. The Porsche Taycan shows on the display when it's in AWD or 2WD, but Tesla does not.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney the front motor doesn't run at all at these constant speeds. The car is a "RWD" - the only difference is the weight of the front motor. You can check that with scan my tesla. This is why the RWD highspeed difference to AWD is not much. Not sure what you mean by "technically possible" either... And my comment was a joke comment, because he said to "turn off" AWD... The Porsche Taycan doesn't do anything different than Model 3 and uses the same motors (a bit different with the hairspin motors, but Model 3 is getting these in Q2 or Q3). If you mean the 2nd gear transmission - the Taycan will run in 2nd gear at these speeds.
@@marcusbiller867 Yes, agreed. I think we're saying the same thing but explaining it differently. I meant to say that there's no way for the driver to 'turn off" AWD, as the OP asked. The car will seek the most efficient driving mode, bit the operator cannot select 2WD and remain in that mode until they switch back to AWD. That would be technically possible to do, but it's not how the Model 3 works. The Taycan let's you see what mode it's in RWD or AWD, but the Model 3 doesn't.
70mph isn't even enough to keep up with the traffic! Least here in Texas! My 2022 LR managed a measly 250ish on a full charge with speeds around 85mph. Garbage
The point isn't to replicate the EPA test, we just use that as a measuring stick. Most EVs are able to reach their Highway EPA rating on these 70-mph tests, but not all.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Because they don't do the full 5 cycle test and the EPA puts a 30% penalty. They reach higher range in the EPA highway test - not the fault of EPA these manufacturers voluntarily deduct their own range, EPA tests good.
Sorry if we gave you the impression that the test was to try to duplicate the EPA test - it's not. The goal of the 70-moh highway tests is to give owners an idea of what range they might expect under similar conditions. Nobody drives 56 mph for 300 miles on a road trip. In fact, 70-mph might even be a tad slow. We use the EPA for comparison and as a goal, as most EVs actually reach the EPA highway range at 70-mph in good weather conditions.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney My bad, I should have clarified that the EPA is the one that needs to update their test prodecure. If their prodecure was set at 70mph like yours is, the numbers would better reflect real world driving. Keep up the great work Tom!
I don't the object of the test is to prove the EPA test, it is to test at speeds people really drive at. EPA ratings have always been pretty useless for real world meaning. They still provide some value of comparing one vehicle to another performing the same test though.
@@pepstein Yes. Very few other OEMs do the 5-cycle test. It usually produces longer driving range results that aren't attainable in most real-world driving conditions.
Tesla is more efficient, but for real world use the Ford has effectively the same range, is $7,000 less (after federal tax credit), is quieter inside on the highway, has a better ride, and has dealer support & service. Sandy Munro (engineering consultant to OEMs and a Tesla fan) says the Ford is built better than the Model 3.
Then try doing a road trip in that Ford in the states. And effectively "same range" means having 20% bigger battery for less range than a Tesla. This is 30% more electricity cost for you over the life of thw car compared to Tesla. Those 7500$ will deminish very fast if you charge those 30% more on Electrify America with their ridiculous pricing.
@@marcusbiller867 No EV available for purchase today is ideal for regular long distance trips, certainly not in areas of the country where traffic usually travels at 80+mph. Most EV owners seldom use rapid charging, maybe 3-4 times a year. I've been driving on (mostly) electrons for over 5 years, first in a gen 1 LEAF then in a gen 2 Chevy Volt. Charging at home is almost always enough. I've bought gas for the Volt once in the last year and can easily get over 70 miles a day out of the "53 mile" battery. Tesla's supercharger network is nice but doesn't make up for the look of the car and the labeling that comes with ownership. EQS and Lucid Air both offer me the ability to travel from Dallas to Denver the pleasant way (through Raton) or Dallas to San Antonio via 281 at speed. I am due a treat so I did reserve a Lucid. It can charge faster than a Tesla but it only will a few times a year. I ordered it because it is a nice car. To me anyway the Teslas I have touched or driven feel like a gimmicky toy. And 99 times in 100 it will charge at home after 9:00 for free.
@@Miata822 You have your infos wrong. The optilmal travelling speed of Model 3 is 170km/h or above 110mph. This is the speed you should be driving if you want to reach your destination the fastest. This is also my experience after 45000 km a year doing multiple 1000miles/1400km trips a day ( about 10 a year) And Tesla is the only one with the infrastructure to keep up with that travelling speed. If you don't do long distances then I see no reason for getting a Lucid anyways. As for the charging speed - that is only if the infrastructure can keep up with that, but most often it can't. Only Superchargers can and are reliable. The infrastructure is what makes or breaks an EV and Tesla is the one ahead and you will learn it pretty soon when you start driving your non-Tesla on long trips.
@@marcusbiller867 All I can reply is that it is not so in the US. When i do travel on faster highways I always pass Teslas driving slowly, attempting to limp to the next charging station. Distances here are much greater between cities and charging stations of any type. I don't recall ever being passed by a Tesla on the open road. Even then, being a follower of Bjorn Nyland and his "1,000km Challenge" I doubt the accuracy of your claim.
@@Miata822 Well, if all of your fellow americans are as deeply misinformed as you are, no wonder they travel slowly. As for Nyland and "my claims" - here you go buddy, from your personal God himself a confirmation of "my claims" watch?v=cS2Vp9Y_jrc
Once again... the Tesla supercharger network is unparalleled because it's a closed network, allowing the company to simplify the process by managing the charging session from the car's software, instead of from the charger itself. No billing hardware/software on the charger necessary. No card readers. No RFID readers. No need for an internet connection, or to do credit card verification and billing. If you're going to praise the network, you should also mention its #1 pitfall in terms of EV adoption around the world. It only works with Tesla vehicles. A whole lot of good that does if you buy a competing vehicle. You've argued against closed networks before, Tom... so why not mention that here? It's really only a matter of time before universal networks get their kinks worked out. Will they ever be as good as the Tesla network? Probably not, because they necessarily require more complexity to allow ANY car to use them. Just like a gas station. The fact that Tesla is using heavy government subsidization to help fund the build out of a network that only they can use, helping them to spike their own sales, helping them to suck up more of the total pie of investor money, is a bit of a government policy disaster tbh... Has it helped speed up the transition to BEVs from the major manufacturers? Based on annual sales from other OEMs... not really.... It would have made far more sense to forego the charging network and just simply electrify as many cars as we can today with technologies like HEVs and PHEVs if the goal was rapid emissions reduction. Clearly that isn't the goal, so the question is what is the goal? Is it to make Tesla a successful and very rich company and make it impossible for competitors to compete with them? Is it to simply grow BEV sales? If the latter, then the government could stop trying their best to push policies that hand one company the lion's share of the money, and instead concentrate on supporting the development and sales of all BEVs. That requires a solid universal charging network that they should be properly funding instead of funding closed networks.
Great review. Clear, unbiased. Had been wondering about the range at 70 mph for my 2021 model 3 LR and here is the answer! Regarding the effect of wind, my guess is that a head wind of 10 mph would be equivalent to increasing the driving speed by the same amount, so a 50 mi hit in range might be expect under those circumstances. If the wind is at an angle you would only consider the component of the wind velocity directly opposite to the motion of the car.
It's a loop. Wind shouldn't have an effect. Tesla overstates their range estimates if you own one. Especially on the 2021 LR model because range totals are more advantageous with a 5 cycle EPA test cycle and having a heatpump.
Nice. 4.3 miles per kilowatt is impressive. Please do one for a range mile test from LA to Las Vegas. Normal driving condition, where you cruise at 75-80 mph on the slow lane, but often have to accelerate into the fast lane to pass the slow moving vehicles. The terrains is also have varying altitude.
You know you don't have to participate in the road rage/LA Vegas mad friday night dash. I've driven several trips in a plaid with aero 19" wheels from NW vegas (centennial area) to Universal Studios. Used about 80% Vegas to LA. 84% LA to Vegas. I've driven several friday nights from LA to vegas and I maintain 70mph and traffic out of the valley is great for regen. If your time is a problem get a gas car. The M3LR isn't a non stop car for that trip. Hell I was pushing it trying for a trip with more than 70% let allone 80% estimated range requirement. Key is learning how to be patient and less aggressive with your driving style. Just because most people drive that way doesn't mean you have to. You can drive however you like. But remember, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Excellent results, Tom ! It should give you at least additional 10 miles in that buffer. Taking into account the 10mph wind and a 68F AC, it could easily reach the EPA. EPA average speed on highway is much lower than 70mph ... BTW, the new 82kWh battery should give you additional 20 miles.
The buffer is not included in the indicated range. if you own a model 3 you can see that you drive from 353 indicated miles of range down to 0. Moreover, it's a loop. Wind shouldn't have an effect. Tesla overstates their range estimates if you own one. Especially on the 2021 LR model because range totals are more advantageous with a 5 cycle EPA test cycle and having a heatpump.
@@lespaulranger Tesla does not overstate their EPA numbers. EPA numbers do not match with 70mph highway speed, as the average speed is much lower. With Model 3 SR+, I was able to pass the EPA in NYS highway speed, which on average, the speed was 55-65mph. Other OEMs have less efficiency on variable speeds, as their energy recuperation and acceleration are less impressive than Tesla.
@@asaftzadok6647 Overstating is wrong. Apologies. I mean they are optimizing the car for the EPA test and do not derate their cars as much as other OEMs.
@@asaftzadok6647 I've had my 2021 Model 3 LR for 10k miles now. My lifetime consumption is 290 wh/mile, which is about 70% of EPA rating. I haven't seen EPA numbers on any kind of drive: backroads, city, stop and go, interstate, etc.
@@lespaulranger My SR+ had an average of 219Wh/mile, mostly driven in NYS parkways and in Westchester county. I mostly used seats heater in winter and AC in summer. Other OEMs do not derate their numbers as much as you think, on mixed driving and starting with cold battery with no battery preconditioning you will see how their mileage drop. My unproven theory is that current 2170 cells have high resistance on high sustainable current needed for 70mph cruising, hence the efficiency drop. This will get solved when moving to 4680 tabless design, other OEMs are using pouch cells which have lower resistance in highway speeds.
@@marcusbiller867 "The two Model 3 variants drove the longest with an indicated zero miles of range. The Long Range kept going for 25.9 miles, while the Standard Range Plus went 17.6 miles past the point where its indicated range dropped to zero." -Green car reports.
@@larryspiller15 not at these speeds my dude. The buffer is exactly 3.5kWh. At 234Wh/m that is exactly 15 miles. So 5 miles he drove +10 I predicted. You can obviously get 50 miles out of the buffer, if only you can find a very long hill (ask Trevor Milton of one Nikola to show you that hill)
Tom is a good communicator with a history of good shows. That said, the 70-mph dimension doesn't matter much to me. We do mostly local driving. I can imagine that it's important for others.
Beautifully done, Tom! Great info comparing the two year models. Thanks for ur effort here! -Ron
Thanks, Ron!
how do you like it?
This might be the most "scientific" range test I've come across short of running the car in a lab. Taking into account the wind, tyre pressure, EPA Highway miles instead of the combined range, you even took the "below 0" buffer into account (which could be another 15 or so miles on top of the 310), unlike another tester *cough* Edmunds *cough*. Great job!
Great Test Tom. I'm picking my Model 3 2021 up Thursday May 6th Can't wait.
How has it been so far?
Lucid > Tesla. even Mercedes is better
According to my calculations you drove for 4 hours and 25.7 minutes 😄. That’s a young man’s endurance territory (in my younger years this was doable)…. Thanks Tom!
Oh, there was a bathroom break in the middle. There are rest stops right on the Turnpike, so it's about a 1/2 mile total off course to stop for 5 mins.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney So in the real world, with real human bladders, what we need is each of these stops to have chargers. Range will outlast the toilet/food craving!
FOUR HOURS is a young man's endurance territory? Seriously?
Just learned that I'm no longer considered young man, JK. I love drinking coffee on highway, that usually means stop every 1.5hrs
You should check your prostate man. 12 hours is young mans territory. I easily sleep 8 hours not needing to pee and I'm 40. Nothing special about me.
Using prostate issues to convince people that they don't need more range is overused, and it's not working. It's not cute either.. There's already more supply than demand for these as second cars for commutes and cool factor. But the people who don't have the luxury of multiple cars, that range matters. And honestly the whole point was to save money. Easy to save money when you aren't going anywhere. The best option is Model S LR but that's still $60k for a car with 30k miles and 2 years old. And that car barely meets the needs of someone living in Vegas wanting to go camping on the weekends in say Archs National Park. Few charging spots out there means you need to ne able to drive 100 miles away from a charger to the park. Then limit driving so you still have range to get back to the charger. BLM campsites don't have power outlets...
As a cyclist, I am very aware the difference in power requirements between even 15mph and 20mph. . . The difference between 60 and 70 is huge!
Get off the road
@@freedivided2221 He'll do that once he gets off your mom
Great information,! I just ordered a Model 3 Long Range yesterday . I also live in North Jersey so I can relate to the driving you showed. Thank You!
That's reassuring, many thanks for doing that. My first road trip is coming up and I was worried about what kind of range to expect going that fast on the highway. It's only about 100 miles each way but I'm a noob at EV's haha! Thanks again!
Excellent job as always, Tom. I own exactly the same car and that is good to know as I am always asked that question.
you are a brave man driving the speed limit on the turnpike! great review, so much better at the big picture than many car reviewers!
Thanks!
Excellent real world test. Thanks.
Tom, thanks! I lived in NJ until 1995 and I remember 55 mph as the speed limit. I bet at 55 mph you’d get the EPA range.
He'd get it at 65 because aerodynamic drag is an expontial increase in drag, not linear. 6% slower could easily be 15% less drag.
Also bottom buffer is about 30 miles, had he drove it right down it would of also hit 330, thats how the epa tests.
Yes, you likely would. But even where the speed limit is 55mph, very few, if any vehicles are driving at that speed.
@@larryspiller15 Bottom buffer varies; Edmunds showed the car doesn't always give the same range after 0%, making it risky to assume how much range you may have remaining. If Tesla wanted people dipping into this range, they wouldn't have been so conservative in setting the 0% mark.
As to EPA... it's interesting that IEVs has started using the EPA _ highway _ range instead of the combined range, but most OEMs still advertise only their combined range on their sites, which many people may confuse as being the highway range that they'll get on long trips. Why companies aren't stating their city / highway / combined ranges like they do with MPG is anyone's guess. Probably because media has confused people into believe they need all the range they get for the car to be capable of road tripping, so showing the lower highway EPA rating may turn people off. Just a guess.
Great test. I wish you could do an 80 or 85 MPH test for those of us who live in areas with faster highways. Going 70 around here is right lane material.Of course that's not really practical as one must then contend with exit/entrance merge traffic constantly.
70 is Rt lane speed in Northern NJ too lol
Great tst and summary. Thank you for putting this together.
Nice video ! New range king ! Efficiency king is still the 2020 Ioniq, 4.5 mi/kWh, tested by Tom himself.
A semi range test would also be nice, where an EV would be driven from 70% to 20% and the distance driven would be multiplied by 2 to get the approximate range. Sure that is extrapolation, but it saves time and electricity, especially when those 517 mile EVs arrive.
Thanks, Tom!
Great stuff Tom….my only head scratcher is I can’t believe out of all the 70 mph hwy tests I’ve watched of yours, this is the first one that actually ran into traffic! I can’t imagine traffic got that much better since I lived in NY…LOL!
I try to do it when I have the best chance of not hitting too much traffic. Also, I did most of the 70 mph range tests in the past year and traffic was lighter due to fewer people driving during COVID.
Very good range. Tesla is still the best range EV.
Excellent video. Concise and to the point.
I usually don't like gray cars, but the matte gray looks sharp!
Let's see that Lucid Air & Model S Plaid shootout when they come out.
Nice video Tom! I would loan you my Model Y Standard Range, but Tesla stopped making them already.
Yo wutttt. 145Wh/km at 70mph. That is madddd🤯
Crazy how much more expensive a Model 3 is now. An AWD after sales tax is $61,770 in my state. That's insane!
Kind of surprised how little videos there is of the M3 LR being range tested. It's either the performance or the SR.
Great Test Tom , Hopefully, you will be the first person to test the range of the Mercedes EQS(Range 770km-480miles)
in the same condition (70mph and A/C on)
I have the 2020 model y DM long range with the acceleration boost and just love it.
Waiting on my cybertruck tri-motor. Wonder how the 500 mile range is going to do, if I get 380-400 I'll be a happy camper.
Interesting ...comparing screen shots of the 2019 test & 2021; same wh/m at 234. But the KWH used numbers were quite different (68 in 2019 vs 73 in 2021). I know the numbers aren't exact & you drove past 0% this time. Not sure how accurate the car is in reporting some of these figures. Curious how many miles on your 2019 when you did the test vs your 2021 as far as degradation goes. Despite all of those numbers (which can sometimes make my brain hurt) you ended up with a better result. Thanks for doing these - great info!
the new model 3 has a bigger battery - not mentioned in the review
@@paulprice6799 We don't know that for certain, and if so how much bigger? The 2021 Performance Model 3 does have an 82 kWh battery (we originally thought all 2021's would, but it turned out only the Performance versions do) It has a 78 kWh pack, which some reported that previous model years also had.
Probably his 2019 didn't calibrate the BMS. Happens in the 3 when you don't charge properly and leave sentry mode very often.
@@marcusbiller867 On the days before the tests, I drove it down close to zero and charged up to 100%. I did that twice in the week before the test.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney the 2019 or 2021? 0-100-0 - that doesn't do anything to the battery. The BMS on Tesla works differently - you have to leave the car unplugged and off (no sentry) at different state of charges over a couple of weeks to a month. Then you can gain back some of the messed up BMS. Basically the best way to screw up your BMS is to charge it high (60%/80%), never let it down during regular charges and have sentry mode running most of the time. This will kill the BMS.
Tom! Wow 👍 you do the best range test so much more accurate than anyone else!
Also the fact I use the same highways too lol that is awesome 305miles to 0% with large buffer under 0% very impressive,
So your setup is 2021 LR with 19” aero-wheels/cover on correct? Nice 👍 ..
I never tried doing just 70mph in my 2017 M3 but it was always good for 250miles with mix driving daily going to/from work
and basic local driving each week, I would only charge up once per-week .. the model 3 is a nice daily driver ...
BTW going at 60-65MPH range test and you should be able to hit the EPA ..
Yes, that's my current setup. Yeah, I think if you drove 60 mph in the same conditions you'd be able to exceed the EPA highway range.
The glass roof is terrible for heat gain, requiring a lot of A/C energy use. Wrapping my white Model Y's roof here in San Diego has made a night and day difference in solar gain, with *much* less use of the A/C.
Yes, here in Florida a glass top with no shade would be suicidal.
Interesting. I’m in NJ and I have a 2019 Model 3. I didn’t feel the need for a shade or tinting last summer, albeit it bakes when it’s parked. We’ll see this summer.
@@petebremy49 The sun in the southwest is very intense (southern latitudes and dry air). I moved here from the east coast and was shocked. Even with ambient temps in the 60s, you need to run A/C if windows are mostly up. Everyone tints their windows; I have 3M Crystalline-pricey but worth it.
300-mile range @ 70 mph isn't bad at all
Very useful info , let’s say you didn’t use air conditioning , how many miles more you can get ?
Great review 👍
Will you be doing another test with the Tesla M3 LR? I was told by a Tesla salesman it is LFP.
Where I live 55mph is for highways and 70mph is interstate.
Nice video. Tesla never seems to meet their numbers.
Just the same as most other manufacturers. Real world figures hardly ever match manufacturers test figures
Great video. Any chance doing a range test for 2021 refreshed Model Y?
Yes. I should have it in about 3 weeks
Thanks Tom. Always love your format and consistency. The 2021 has a heat pump (should not make a diff in warm conditions?) and I believe a larger pack (82 kwh vs 75 kwh before). The diff seems to be due to the extra 4 kwh that was used during this test (72 kwh vs 68 kwh before). That would mean the buffer is even bigger now? Did you notice any diff in charging time and specifically in how long you were charging at peak rates? I hope to get a MS LR later this year and you would be welcome to test it. I will let you know if/when I do unless you already got a test model. Thanks again!!
My car doesn't have an 82 kWh pack. When the 2021 Model 3 launched, most (including me) believed that Tesla was putting 82 kWh packs in all new 2021 Model 3s, but now we know that not the case. They were only using the 82 kWh pack for Performance Model 3's. The latest news is that Tesla will start using the 82 kWh pack in all Model 3s starting very soon (all we know is Q2 2021). The difference is most likely due to my 2019 Model 3 having lost capacity because it was a year old and also the fact that I drive 5 miles past zero in this new test.
Thanks for another informative video, Tom. Would you consider another test of the Setec CCS adapter on several different system chargers. There are likely several thousand Tesla owners holding off purchasing one until after the dependability stops being a crap shoot.
Thanks, yes I will do another SETEC video, I just have to make the time and I have some other videos in the queue first.
Hey Tom. Great video. How much difference do you think the heat pump will make in the winter? That's the principal advantage I see between your older and now this new Model 3. My experience with my Standard Range Plus with the resistive element heater is that I can take a big range hit when it's cold. Keep up the great work!!!
It does make a considerable difference. I had a 2019 with the resistive heating system and sold it and bought the 2021 with the heat pump. I didn't do a comprehensive test, but I can say for sure it was more efficient in the colder months.
Nice
My 2019 - AWD - Long range tesla shows 29kWh / 50% battery used and 100 miles driven on one straight drive after full charge .. and it is 75kWh battery - how do i prove to tesla there is issue with my car ?
I appreciate your video's and thank you for doing this..
I am having range issues - 100% charge only shows 250 miles on dashboard and Another experiment - one straight drive from Nanuet to Harrisburg PA - 178 miles (65 degrees) - when i reached 23 miles left showed on dashboard - pretty scary...This issue started with one tire charge due to puncture in Nov 2020 by Tesla (before it was fine and was showing 298 on dashboard also) .any tip you can give to establish there is issue here ? to Tesla ? It feels like part of battery is broken or disconnected..
Very nice
Please do with standard range
I will if I can get one to use.
Would love to have you do a video on the Tesla Model 3 with LFP battery. I am totaly confused about how to charge-- Charge everyday to 100% seems to be what is recommended, but what if you sometimes don't drive for 2-3 days? Is it detrimental to the battery's degradation to have it sit at 100% for a period of time? or can anyone even answer this with any degree of confidence?
Efficiency is important to me and that is why I am waiting for the Aptera!
lol
So given that the consumption was the same as your 2019, is the available battery larger in the new M3? 16 miles [305-289=16] would require 3.75 additional kWhs at 234 kWh per mile.
Yup.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Responsive but not helpful. Yup my math was correct or yup the newer Tesla battery is ___ kWhs and the 2019 is ___.
@@jeffg9612 Yup the math is right. It's difficult to say exactly if the battery is larger for 2021. Initial reports were that is was now 82 kWh, but then it was confirmed that was only for the performance version, which this isn't. We believe it has a 78 kWh pack (Tesla won't release its battery information as most other OEMs do), as the previous years did. But It's really hard to know for sure since Tesla won't release the official capacity.
No, he probably didn't utilize the buffer last time. Capacity is the same. The bigger batteries are just coming out now for the LR
hey what did you wrap your car with and what color was it before
How much loss in range should one expect- approximately- in northeast winter driving (at 70mph)? 20%, 30%? Thanks for the great channel!
What temperature? 30 degrees? 5 degrees? It makes a difference. It could be as much as 30% in the worst conditions, bitter cold, wind, snow-covered roads.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney sorry - I should have clarified. I’m thinking a typically cold New England day - maybe temps in the 20s-30s. Just trying to get a sense of much range degradation to expect (approximately). I have a 200 mile commute a few days a week and am trying to figure out best EV options. Thanks again!
With respect to this extra range you get below 0 SOC. You likely won't get that extra range if you tried this when the car was a few years older. A new EV lets you access more of the battery. As the battery ages, the accessible bandwidth drops. It appears Tesla lets you access this extra bit, other manufacturer's might not.
Agreed.
VW do the same thing now, put 2 kWh under 0%. Nissan with their leaf too. You will be using that buffer for at least 100-150,000 miles. The main issue is the BMS misscalibration, not the battery, if you know what you are doing and have the right tools and keep the BMS in check, you can use that buffer indefinitely. It also shrinks proportional to degradation in % from total available capacity according to the BMS
Great video. With 4 people in the Model 3, avg. total weight of 800 lbs including suite cases and with the ac on blast at 70f. Outside temp of 100f and driving at 70mph would the range be 180 to 200 miles? We need real world family test driving. My 2013 Toyota Avalon limited gives me 30 mpg on highway speed with the condition listed above. I understand that city driving is better but every once in a while we have to travel and would love to know what to expect while traveling with the family.
I like to see 2021 Model Y long range w 19"wheels and CHILL MODE on then see how far it can go on 70mph 👍
I'll be doing that test soon.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Can't wait to see the video 👍. Thanks Tom!!
Chill mode doesn't do anything at AP speeds, only acceleration. You will get about 5-10% less range, give or take. But the newer Ys will come with the bigger battery soon, so 300 miles.
@@marcusbiller867 Your wrong! I have a 2018 Long Range model 3 rear wheel drive and I'm getting better efficiency on road trip using the CHILL MODE while using EAP compare to using STANDARD MODE.
@@rj8u I am? Mine what? So you took two identical 2018 cars, same tires, same battery SOC and drove them at the same time, one after the other, with keeping exact distance, one in Chill mode and one in standard mode, with EAP and tested it and came to that conclusion? Because if you didn't, "your" wrong...
Try to get your hands on one of the 2020 model S long range plus and do the test. It will easily beat similar sized packs in Taycan, etc. It will just show how much Tesla cars are more efficient than the competitors.
Better 2021 S LR. It has bigger battery
How about doing the 2022 M3 SR+ (or do they call is RWD)
I assume that you measured miles on the odometer rather than the 'miles' registered by the battery.
What color is this? MSM with a stealth ppf? if so where did you get yours done, I'm in jersey as well.
What color is your car? Is it a wrap?
Yes, it's a wrap. 3M Satin Gray.
Is nice that you and others are doing these range tests. EPA range tests are unreliable. I’m much more important to have an accurate range estimate on a BEV versus an ICE vehicle. When driving long distances I estimate my range as 3 miles for each percent of battery remaining of my Tesla 3. This is way better than the 2.5 miles I can expect on my MME
I have 85 miles commute. I have charging port in my apt, Is it worth it to upgrade to LR from SR+? Just ordered the SR+, but not sure yet.
Well, it would be interesting to see,what is the range with elevation changes of few hundreds meters,up and down.
Keep it up. I’m not a fan of Kyle please can you keep doing them ☺️
Kyle's awesome - we're good friends but we have different styles, which is good for both of us. We have our own followers but there are definitely people that follow us both. Thank you for the support.
Can you do the same test with the new performance model 3?
We have a 2020 M3 SRP and a 2021 MY LR. We do a few long trip a year. Plus we live in Atl and have a home in Florida so e drive 5-6 hours once a month. My question is does it REALLY make a difference for arrival time to
Drive below 70 for 400-500 miles and arrive EARLIER to your destination or just drive like I normally would??? Most of my Tesla friends swear you will arrive quicker even with charging if you stay below 70mph. I generally charge to 90-95% each stop then just drive.
The EPA highway test uses a speed much slower than 70 mph.
Yup- the speed isn't constant either. We're not trying to duplicate the EPA test, just offer another metric for people to see.
Would love to see the standard plus. I order one 2 weeks ago
Damn the taycan does a lot better on highway speeds
It has a much bigger battery yet it doesn't go as far and has a much higher energy consumption than the Model 3. Different cars. Both great.
I know it's probably a very arbitrary figure, but having a matt finish rather than gloss must have a small effect on the drag co-efficient and reduce range a little?
I wouldn't think so. It feels as smooth as waxed paint.
need your advice, i drive between 130 to 160 miles per day , a mix of city, country and freeway driving, should i buy a model 3 rwd standard range or a long range awd? thank you for your help
The RWD standard range will be fine for your daily needs as long as you can charge daily at home. It should always always do 160 miles, even in the winter when the driving range is less.
1:56: Why do you think its Tesla's speedometer that is slightly fast as opposed to your GPS being slightly slow? I would have thought that out of the two the car would have the more accurate data upon which to calculate your speed.
I use two different GPS apps to test the speedometer of all the cars I di the range tests on. The two different apps are always in sync. Many others have also noted the speedometers are off also. That's not uncommon.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Very interesting! Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Hi Tom! GREAT video!! Question have you ever done a range test on a M3 SR+? I currently have a M3 sr+ purchased in Sept 20202. I would be VERY interested on what you found( if you did it) or what you will find ( if its in the works)! Thanks
No, I haven't. I'm looking for someone in the NJ area to loan me one for the test.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney damn wish I loved there.. Although I do have family up there BUT none have Teslas! If by any chance come dwn to s.fl..i will be more than happy to loan you mine:)
@@darknight2628 We'll see. I don't have any current plans to, but you never know. Thanks for the offer.
Great video Tom. What was the elevation change from start to finish? I think Tesla needs to add more v3 superchargers on the 10, 40 and 70 highways from west to east coast. Lacking there.
I ended at the same supercharger I started at. The entire course had little elevation change and I drive in long loops for all of the tests.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney nice. Enjoyed it.
When was this LR built? The new ones coming out this Q2 or next will have even bigger batteries and more range. You will be able to get about 15-20 miles more. Test them in September or late Q3.
November 2020. I don't have the larger battery.
Where did you get the information that they will have a bigger battery pack?
@@tommyvercetti7854 EPA documents and the first one are already delivered in Europe. Any Model 3 LR produced after 1 April has bigger battery, heated steering and new trim
teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/master-thread-2021-model-3-charge-data-battery-discussion-etc.214484/page-65
@@marcusbiller867 Ok I see. So, both Performance and Long Range now have 82 kWh packs it seems!
@@tommyvercetti7854 not yet ALL. There are still some LR with the old batteries in circulation. But soon. I guess as soon as Tesla announces the added range on their website, the bigger battery is there.
Thanks Tom. It is interesting that you had same wh/mile numbers for both the 2019 and 2021 model range tests. So what made the '21 drive 15 miles more than the '19 ? Was it change in weight, temperature, wind, or change in battery capacity or buffer between the two models?
I am hoping to find out what efficiency is added by the heat pump. I hope you can do a colder weather test with the two cars in tandem so they are in identical conditions.
The 2019 was a year old and had ~15K on it so I already lost about 2 kWh from normal capacity loss. That's good for 8-10 miles alone. Plus, I drove 5 miles past zero this time, and I didn't do that with the 2019.
Tesla was able to get lower consumption figures going through the 5 cycle EPA range test due to the benefits of the heatpump.
333 miles at 55 miles an hour, i believe. Not at 70 miles an hour
The EPA doesn't use a constant MPH for its highway range rating. The average speed is around 58mph, I believe
Taycan tested in mid of winter.
This tested in spring.
So, It is not a correct comparison.
Not true. When we range tested the Taycan RWD and got 293 miles, it was 68 degrees. Nearly perfect range weather.
I like it. But why not just use Auto for AC?
I could have but honestly, it wouldn't have made a difference. A certain amount of energy is needed to maintain a comfortable environment in the cabin, it really doesn't matter which setting it was on. I was keeping the temperature right on the edge of me being comfortable/uncomfortable.
Can you do city drive please
What type of charger did you use to bring it back to full and how long did it take. I have a level 2 charger at home.Thanks
I did a V3 supercharger test right after this 0-100% in 63 minutes: ua-cam.com/video/zwDI7moHvzg/v-deo.html
When you have the back seatbelts plugged in it can turn on the A/C in the rear, affecting range
I had the rear fans turned off.
How do compare the build quality and feel of the 2021 over the 2019?
I don't see any difference.
Being a long time Model 3 owner, do you think Tesla released some of their buffer after some time on their previous version? I’d be curious to know how many kWh you used for that 100-0% run.
Nvm I see you used 73kWh. So maybe they have a 9kWh buffer based on recent rumors ?
@@Hellfer14 I don't think it has an 82 kWh battery, I believe that's only for the Performance version. I think this has a 78 kWh total capacity pack.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Interesting
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney the new ones coming now are with the new bigger battery.
With California's broad topography and fast driving culture, no EV car appeals to most, unless its range is 700 mi.
Folks in CA drive 700 miles to commute each day? No wonder everyone out there is so miserable.
with 65 mph it will probably hit 330 miles
Is there a way to "turn off" AWD, and just have a RWD car to increase range on road trips? Is there a mechanical reason why this shouldn't be possible?
No, you cannot manually turn off AWD.
Yes, you can "turn off" AWD, the front motor vapurates via software and the weight of the car reduces... The front motor is not running at these speeds, it is the weight... You can't turn off weight.
@@marcusbiller867 The Model 3 doesn't allow you to switch to only 2wd, so no, you cannot.
Of course it's technically possible, but Tesla does not offer that option.
The Porsche Taycan shows on the display when it's in AWD or 2WD, but Tesla does not.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney the front motor doesn't run at all at these constant speeds. The car is a "RWD" - the only difference is the weight of the front motor. You can check that with scan my tesla. This is why the RWD highspeed difference to AWD is not much. Not sure what you mean by "technically possible" either... And my comment was a joke comment, because he said to "turn off" AWD... The Porsche Taycan doesn't do anything different than Model 3 and uses the same motors (a bit different with the hairspin motors, but Model 3 is getting these in Q2 or Q3). If you mean the 2nd gear transmission - the Taycan will run in 2nd gear at these speeds.
@@marcusbiller867 Yes, agreed. I think we're saying the same thing but explaining it differently. I meant to say that there's no way for the driver to 'turn off" AWD, as the OP asked. The car will seek the most efficient driving mode, bit the operator cannot select 2WD and remain in that mode until they switch back to AWD. That would be technically possible to do, but it's not how the Model 3 works. The Taycan let's you see what mode it's in RWD or AWD, but the Model 3 doesn't.
70mph isn't even enough to keep up with the traffic! Least here in Texas! My 2022 LR managed a measly 250ish on a full charge with speeds around 85mph. Garbage
I thought the epa test was between 55 and 60 mph?
The point isn't to replicate the EPA test, we just use that as a measuring stick. Most EVs are able to reach their Highway EPA rating on these 70-mph tests, but not all.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Because they don't do the full 5 cycle test and the EPA puts a 30% penalty. They reach higher range in the EPA highway test - not the fault of EPA these manufacturers voluntarily deduct their own range, EPA tests good.
You must have. Great bladder to drive 300 miles without a stop.
On my little cellphone screen, the car appears to have a dull paint finish. That has to affect drag compared to a glossy well waxed car.
Doesn't the EPA highway test run at 56mph? Time to update that test..
Sorry if we gave you the impression that the test was to try to duplicate the EPA test - it's not. The goal of the 70-moh highway tests is to give owners an idea of what range they might expect under similar conditions. Nobody drives 56 mph for 300 miles on a road trip. In fact, 70-mph might even be a tad slow. We use the EPA for comparison and as a goal, as most EVs actually reach the EPA highway range at 70-mph in good weather conditions.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney My bad, I should have clarified that the EPA is the one that needs to update their test prodecure. If their prodecure was set at 70mph like yours is, the numbers would better reflect real world driving.
Keep up the great work Tom!
I don't the object of the test is to prove the EPA test, it is to test at speeds people really drive at. EPA ratings have always been pretty useless for real world meaning. They still provide some value of comparing one vehicle to another performing the same test though.
Tesla uses the 5 cycle test that includes two highway test cycles: www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml
@@pepstein Yes. Very few other OEMs do the 5-cycle test. It usually produces longer driving range results that aren't attainable in most real-world driving conditions.
car range is based on going 55 ,,, no car gets what the maker states
Umm, yes they do. I've done many EV range tests under these same conditions when the range exceeded the EPA rated highway range.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney well you re the first lol,,, none of any of the cars i have ever own meet the rating
@@MAGApepe I agree, in normal driving they usually don't. I'm talking about these 70-mph range tests.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney oh ya ice cars never meet their posting at 70,, i guess ev seem different at their range goals
Tesla is more efficient, but for real world use the Ford has effectively the same range, is $7,000 less (after federal tax credit), is quieter inside on the highway, has a better ride, and has dealer support & service. Sandy Munro (engineering consultant to OEMs and a Tesla fan) says the Ford is built better than the Model 3.
Then try doing a road trip in that Ford in the states. And effectively "same range" means having 20% bigger battery for less range than a Tesla. This is 30% more electricity cost for you over the life of thw car compared to Tesla. Those 7500$ will deminish very fast if you charge those 30% more on Electrify America with their ridiculous pricing.
@@marcusbiller867 No EV available for purchase today is ideal for regular long distance trips, certainly not in areas of the country where traffic usually travels at 80+mph. Most EV owners seldom use rapid charging, maybe 3-4 times a year.
I've been driving on (mostly) electrons for over 5 years, first in a gen 1 LEAF then in a gen 2 Chevy Volt. Charging at home is almost always enough. I've bought gas for the Volt once in the last year and can easily get over 70 miles a day out of the "53 mile" battery.
Tesla's supercharger network is nice but doesn't make up for the look of the car and the labeling that comes with ownership. EQS and Lucid Air both offer me the ability to travel from Dallas to Denver the pleasant way (through Raton) or Dallas to San Antonio via 281 at speed. I am due a treat so I did reserve a Lucid. It can charge faster than a Tesla but it only will a few times a year. I ordered it because it is a nice car. To me anyway the Teslas I have touched or driven feel like a gimmicky toy.
And 99 times in 100 it will charge at home after 9:00 for free.
@@Miata822 You have your infos wrong. The optilmal travelling speed of Model 3 is 170km/h or above 110mph. This is the speed you should be driving if you want to reach your destination the fastest. This is also my experience after 45000 km a year doing multiple 1000miles/1400km trips a day ( about 10 a year) And Tesla is the only one with the infrastructure to keep up with that travelling speed. If you don't do long distances then I see no reason for getting a Lucid anyways. As for the charging speed - that is only if the infrastructure can keep up with that, but most often it can't. Only Superchargers can and are reliable.
The infrastructure is what makes or breaks an EV and Tesla is the one ahead and you will learn it pretty soon when you start driving your non-Tesla on long trips.
@@marcusbiller867 All I can reply is that it is not so in the US. When i do travel on faster highways I always pass Teslas driving slowly, attempting to limp to the next charging station. Distances here are much greater between cities and charging stations of any type. I don't recall ever being passed by a Tesla on the open road.
Even then, being a follower of Bjorn Nyland and his "1,000km Challenge" I doubt the accuracy of your claim.
@@Miata822 Well, if all of your fellow americans are as deeply misinformed as you are, no wonder they travel slowly. As for Nyland and "my claims" - here you go buddy, from your personal God himself a confirmation of "my claims"
watch?v=cS2Vp9Y_jrc
Once again... the Tesla supercharger network is unparalleled because it's a closed network, allowing the company to simplify the process by managing the charging session from the car's software, instead of from the charger itself. No billing hardware/software on the charger necessary. No card readers. No RFID readers. No need for an internet connection, or to do credit card verification and billing. If you're going to praise the network, you should also mention its #1 pitfall in terms of EV adoption around the world. It only works with Tesla vehicles. A whole lot of good that does if you buy a competing vehicle. You've argued against closed networks before, Tom... so why not mention that here? It's really only a matter of time before universal networks get their kinks worked out. Will they ever be as good as the Tesla network? Probably not, because they necessarily require more complexity to allow ANY car to use them. Just like a gas station.
The fact that Tesla is using heavy government subsidization to help fund the build out of a network that only they can use, helping them to spike their own sales, helping them to suck up more of the total pie of investor money, is a bit of a government policy disaster tbh... Has it helped speed up the transition to BEVs from the major manufacturers? Based on annual sales from other OEMs... not really....
It would have made far more sense to forego the charging network and just simply electrify as many cars as we can today with technologies like HEVs and PHEVs if the goal was rapid emissions reduction. Clearly that isn't the goal, so the question is what is the goal? Is it to make Tesla a successful and very rich company and make it impossible for competitors to compete with them? Is it to simply grow BEV sales? If the latter, then the government could stop trying their best to push policies that hand one company the lion's share of the money, and instead concentrate on supporting the development and sales of all BEVs. That requires a solid universal charging network that they should be properly funding instead of funding closed networks.
Tesla does not recommend running 🏃 Teslas @Zero. As per Elon 30 to 80%
Great review. Clear, unbiased. Had been wondering about the range at 70 mph for my 2021 model 3 LR and here is the answer! Regarding the effect of wind, my guess is that a head wind of 10 mph would be equivalent to increasing the driving speed by the same amount, so a 50 mi hit in range might be expect under those circumstances. If the wind is at an angle you would only consider the component of the wind velocity directly opposite to the motion of the car.
COS (theta), where “theta” is the angle between the direction of the car and that of the wind……. Cheers!
It's a loop. Wind shouldn't have an effect. Tesla overstates their range estimates if you own one. Especially on the 2021 LR model because range totals are more advantageous with a 5 cycle EPA test cycle and having a heatpump.
310miles or 498km !! 70 m/h or 112 km/h- more than enough for me . SOLD.
Nice. 4.3 miles per kilowatt is impressive. Please do one for a range mile test from LA to Las Vegas. Normal driving condition, where you cruise at 75-80 mph on the slow lane, but often have to accelerate into the fast lane to pass the slow moving vehicles. The terrains is also have varying altitude.
You know you don't have to participate in the road rage/LA Vegas mad friday night dash. I've driven several trips in a plaid with aero 19" wheels from NW vegas (centennial area) to Universal Studios. Used about 80% Vegas to LA. 84% LA to Vegas. I've driven several friday nights from LA to vegas and I maintain 70mph and traffic out of the valley is great for regen. If your time is a problem get a gas car. The M3LR isn't a non stop car for that trip. Hell I was pushing it trying for a trip with more than 70% let allone 80% estimated range requirement. Key is learning how to be patient and less aggressive with your driving style. Just because most people drive that way doesn't mean you have to. You can drive however you like. But remember, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
310 with AC on the highway. Done deal for me
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Excellent results, Tom !
It should give you at least additional 10 miles in that buffer.
Taking into account the 10mph wind and a 68F AC, it could easily reach the EPA.
EPA average speed on highway is much lower than 70mph ...
BTW, the new 82kWh battery should give you additional 20 miles.
The buffer is not included in the indicated range. if you own a model 3 you can see that you drive from 353 indicated miles of range down to 0. Moreover, it's a loop. Wind shouldn't have an effect. Tesla overstates their range estimates if you own one. Especially on the 2021 LR model because range totals are more advantageous with a 5 cycle EPA test cycle and having a heatpump.
@@lespaulranger Tesla does not overstate their EPA numbers.
EPA numbers do not match with 70mph highway speed, as the average speed is much lower.
With Model 3 SR+, I was able to pass the EPA in NYS highway speed, which on average, the speed was 55-65mph.
Other OEMs have less efficiency on variable speeds, as their energy recuperation and acceleration are less impressive than Tesla.
@@asaftzadok6647 Overstating is wrong. Apologies. I mean they are optimizing the car for the EPA test and do not derate their cars as much as other OEMs.
@@asaftzadok6647 I've had my 2021 Model 3 LR for 10k miles now. My lifetime consumption is 290 wh/mile, which is about 70% of EPA rating. I haven't seen EPA numbers on any kind of drive: backroads, city, stop and go, interstate, etc.
@@lespaulranger My SR+ had an average of 219Wh/mile, mostly driven in NYS parkways and in Westchester county.
I mostly used seats heater in winter and AC in summer.
Other OEMs do not derate their numbers as much as you think, on mixed driving and starting with cold battery with no battery preconditioning you will see how their mileage drop.
My unproven theory is that current 2170 cells have high resistance on high sustainable current needed for 70mph cruising, hence the efficiency drop.
This will get solved when moving to 4680 tabless design, other OEMs are using pouch cells which have lower resistance in highway speeds.
Great video!
some of the 23 miles short of EPA range could be still embedded in the 0% SOC for your car by Tesla........
It definitely is but I don't expect him to actually drive it all the way down either.
Not 23 miles. But around 10 or so
@@marcusbiller867 "The two Model 3 variants drove the longest with an indicated zero miles of range. The Long Range kept going for 25.9 miles, while the Standard Range Plus went 17.6 miles past the point where its indicated range dropped to zero." -Green car reports.
@@larryspiller15 not at these speeds my dude. The buffer is exactly 3.5kWh. At 234Wh/m that is exactly 15 miles. So 5 miles he drove +10 I predicted. You can obviously get 50 miles out of the buffer, if only you can find a very long hill (ask Trevor Milton of one Nikola to show you that hill)
@@marcusbiller867 where did you find an exact buffer?
Tom is a good communicator with a history of good shows. That said, the 70-mph dimension doesn't matter much to me. We do mostly local driving. I can imagine that it's important for others.
Nice video ! BTW you have video about your charge habits with your model 3 ? Thank you.
Not yet.