It can wall Dragons a bit but also it has no good healing and gets Worn down easily. A top tier defensive utility Pokemon but I wouldn't quite call it a Wall with much longevity. Also it's immoral
@user-hj8ed1zn1i "today were going to be talking about the only walls that matter in competitive pokemon. Specifically, quagsire and clodsire." Feature length film
"Being able to passively sit there and click ice beam is one of the premier strategies in the generation." I am definitely and absolutely now going to try Gen 1 OU!
This a very newbie and poor view of the meta. To actually believe that you have to never have played any game at all of the tier. There are intricacies such as know how to fish for a freeze in the correct situations rather than use Thunder Wave/an attack love with some Pokémon, positioning and so much more...
Hilariously, one could argue Chansey’s immunity to Body Slam paralysis is a debuff, exclusively for itself. A paralyzed Chansey cannot be slept or frozen (the latter often being fished for in Chansey mirror matches) and it cannot be hit with the rare, but still present, toxic. Sometimes you would rather switch Chansey in to get paralyzed over your Tauros or another important ’mon, just to insulate it from other status.
This is true, but it's definitely categorically a rework and mostly positive for chansey. paralysis dropping turns completely ruins chances to wall certain targets, a paralyzed chansey often can get "haxxed" by psychic spamming mons or reflect sets can fail as they need to get the reflect off t1 of entry.
@@funkymachine me when the enemy's mildly chipped chansey gets psychic crit, spdef dropped and full parad after switching into zam twave (it doesn't wall me anymore)
Fun fact about Gen 4 Clefable/Magic Guard: Magic Guard in Gen 4 made you immune to full paralysis preventing your turn meaning all being paralyzed did was half your speed
@@kingpin6173 Pannenkoek2012 is a gaming hero, I highly recommend checking out his new masterpiece, as well as going back to watch "Watch For Rolling Rocks In 0.5x A Presses" (his most popular video) if you haven't seen it yet. It's an important part of gaming/internet history!
I should also add in that, in Gen 2, Cloyster's scariest tool (besides spikes) is explosion. It has to sacrifice rapid spin to run it thanks to some egg move stuff, but it's worth it. It actively threatens Snorlax meaning the big man can't just stay in on a Cloy and can also punish any switch-ins provided you get a good read
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Whoa, adding Balatro music into the mix If I already paid half of my attention to the music in some of these videos, let's just say I won't be less distracted Love that theme, gets stuck in my head for hours lol Also take this opportunity to say I enjoy the music in general. Nice vid! Very cohesive through the gens!
This is funny cause I was doing a random battle last night and this guy had a gliscor and it kept spamming sub protect and toxic and it pretty much soloed my entire team until I just left my computer
Primarina is another example of a great wall in gen 9. Its typing is just perfect considering some of the major threats in the tier, such as Great tusk, kingambit, gouging fire, etc
I was caught off guard when I heard the normal Verdanturf theme cut in- I was about to start mumbling ‘the money got different, cause I’m gonna spend it’ to myself
What I like about Garganacl as a wall is that it functions more like an anti wall instead of a pure wall itself, everything it has is perfectly tuned to punish overly defensive strats that were used in the past. It can't be statused and its signature move does massive damage to steel and water the two types that were basically the mascot of defense. However, Garg is tricky to use as a pure wall due to its typing making it hard to find switch-in opportunities. It really needs both a turn to switch in and a turn to set up before you enter the garg engine, and those turns are usually against other walls
I’m not sure if this has been said before or not, but I personally believe Swampert and other Pokémon such as Carracosta should get shore up as I kinda believe it would fit with them. I mean Swampert has two dex entries stating it makes it’s nest on beautiful beaches, and Carracosta is literally “the prototurtle” Pokémon and turtles (at least sea turtles) are well known for building their nests on land and covering their eggs with sand (the Japanese name for shore up is literally sand gather). That’s just my opinion though, would appreciate any feedback on this
Regarding snorlax, aren't "tanks" an archtype in Pokemon? Slow units with massive bulk that can hit hard. Tanks share some traits with walls. However, Tanks have less longetivity and are more prone to be chipped down. Walls have access to consistent healing, but less consistent (if any) way of dishing damage
47:12 i can't believe im doing this but im gonna defend toxapex lol. everything you said is 100% true, but at the same time it isn't anymore broken than the offensive threats in the tier. kartana, ash greninja, etc were all way too powerful considering their lack of weaknesses, and z moves were a whole other mess. the balance of the game in general sucked so toxapex needed to be a monster to hold defensive cores together. the only actual annoying part was how easily it made progress, but half the tier had volt switch, u turn, knock off, scald, rocks, etc so i never understand why defensive mons get all the hate when offensive pokemon were just as irritating by using their insane offensive pressure to use the same free progress moves. gen 9 is the result of that hate, gamefreak listened to us and removed a lot of these broken things from defensive mons, but offense got to keep all of it. so the game is just as painful but now it's twice as chaotic, with a bunch of terrifying threats getting in for free, clicking these annoying moves, then nuking through resists
Defensive Pokémon get more hate than offensive ones because stall is not just a viable game strategy, but also a test of patience, which most people do not have. Obviously defensive walls aren’t just present on stall, but people complain about defensive mons because they hate stall. If we hated hyper offense just as much, things might be different.
@@helpgirlimhavingalifecrisis i do get why ppl don't like them i just think it's misplaced. i couldn't care less if the game takes 20 turns or 200, i'll have fun if both me and my opponent are forced to think about our moves, rather than making a series of safe clicks to see who's matchup is better. modern stall is very brainless im aware of that, but modern offense is just as bad. pivoting makes it way too easy to position your threats, boots let you switch around for free, and the stab convergence has gotten way out of hand l (im talking about how 99% of modern pokemon can use dual stab + 1 coverage move to hit everything, and usually nuke through resists anyway)
RBY Rhydon does use Rest every now and then in more defensive oriented teams when you want longevity against Zapdos and Jolteon, also helps against non-ice beam Chansey since it can pp stall it.
I’m very grateful for the fact that in the global challenge I can use Urshifu against gliscor in some formats there just because it goes through protect and the surging strikes variant does super effective damage against it which allows me to deal with it easier. In regulation h it’s much more difficult to deal with when urshifu is banned.
5:18 Rest in gen 1 is not as bad as you made it seem. You sleep for only one turn and on the next turn you wake up without being able to attack like you said, so it's about the same as in following generation. The only flaw is that you're vulnerable to status for one extra turn, which only matters for freeze really, so it's not significant imo
My favorite gen 1 chansey.. ice beam, softboiled, seismic toss, substitute. It's not competitively viable but fun for a casual playthrough. Despite the hefty price tag for substitute.
Ferrothorn was not included in this video due to the allegations.
It can wall Dragons a bit but also it has no good healing and gets Worn down easily. A top tier defensive utility Pokemon but I wouldn't quite call it a Wall with much longevity.
Also it's immoral
@@jimothycool nevertheless a great pokemon
Is it because he's homophobic?
it's been years man ferrothorn changed, he doesn't deserve this :(
team amoongus
Chansey is the rook of comp pokemon
Many are saying this
The Rookidee in my LC team:
Proof that famous people enjoy the same things we do
blissey always gave me knook vibes
omg an HOUR long? this is going to be awesome
Ye ye
Hour long PowerPoint movie when??
@@logans4789Specifically on the History of Quagsire and Clodsire.
"Thank you so much for attending my comment on Walls in competitive Pokémon."
@user-hj8ed1zn1i "today were going to be talking about the only walls that matter in competitive pokemon. Specifically, quagsire and clodsire." Feature length film
I love how the jimothy cool lore relies solely on liking and subscribing
That's what you think.
Thats only the surface. If you want to dive deeper, like and subscribe.
Sole? Like heavy duty boots?
Cant believe poison heal is now a move in gen 10 exclusive to iron mugulis, stands toe to toe with smeargle blast as the strongest move in the game
Iron Mugulis and Smeargle 2 should get banned to AGBL they are so strong.
Does anyone still think either of them are viable? Everyone knows zekrom kick is stronger than both of them
Iron fellow is a UU staple with a niche in OU since it resists smergle blast and Chansey’s signature move called “pulling out a concealed firearm”.
Ahhh yes, the legendary OHKO move "Pew Pew" that Chansey finally learns. Took us 30 years to find out what Chansey was hiding behind that egg.
Nah bro the gen 10 twinneedle buff is insane
Aggron: yay I’m a steel type and I’ll get a second typing I can’t wait to be a wall :D
GF: imma about to end this man’s whole carrier
The rouge dev at GF: I’m about to do whats called a pro-gamer move
*CREATES THE MEGA WALL*
Mega Aggron Theme Music Plays in the Distance.
*the wall*
@@kuribro443*i have become the wall*
Mega Aggron is my wall(paper)
the world if Aggron was steel/ground:
(picture of two steelixes)
"Being able to passively sit there and click ice beam is one of the premier strategies in the generation."
I am definitely and absolutely now going to try Gen 1 OU!
rby is hilarious because of the sheer amount of shenanigans that are actually viable strategies
This a very newbie and poor view of the meta. To actually believe that you have to never have played any game at all of the tier. There are intricacies such as know how to fish for a freeze in the correct situations rather than use Thunder Wave/an attack love with some Pokémon, positioning and so much more...
@@Rafael_Oiticica i'll make sure not to joke
@@Rafael_Oiticica post elo
@@AndrewDevourer Sorry, why?
Hilariously, one could argue Chansey’s immunity to Body Slam paralysis is a debuff, exclusively for itself.
A paralyzed Chansey cannot be slept or frozen (the latter often being fished for in Chansey mirror matches) and it cannot be hit with the rare, but still present, toxic. Sometimes you would rather switch Chansey in to get paralyzed over your Tauros or another important ’mon, just to insulate it from other status.
This is true, but it's definitely categorically a rework and mostly positive for chansey.
paralysis dropping turns completely ruins chances to wall certain targets, a paralyzed chansey often can get "haxxed" by psychic spamming mons or reflect sets can fail as they need to get the reflect off t1 of entry.
@@funkymachine me when the enemy's mildly chipped chansey gets psychic crit, spdef dropped and full parad after switching into zam twave (it doesn't wall me anymore)
You've uploaded this just in time for my spaghetti meal. This is awesome
I love spaghetti
I hate spaghetti
I have a neutral opinion on spaghetti
I don't mind spaghetti but am of the opinion that pasta offers more variation.
I hope you enjoyed your spaghetti
Fun fact about Gen 4 Clefable/Magic Guard: Magic Guard in Gen 4 made you immune to full paralysis preventing your turn meaning all being paralyzed did was half your speed
The fact that the video is this long fits really well with the subject matter
When you come to it
And you can't go through it
And you can't knock it down
You know what you've found?
Guzma
huoly shit Brifdfgte gruitly gea
@@LukeA471Guzzlord
No mon on Earth can make it fall!
THAT’S THE WALL BROTHER! HEY WALL! YOU WANT SOME? COME GET SOME! THAT’S THE WALL UP THERE BROTHER
walls in competitive pokemon are an archetype scene across every single generation.
A wall is a Pokémon that is powerful enough defensively to act as a blockade against the enemies' offensive pressure
a wall is a pokemon that is powerful enough defensively to act as a blockade against the enemy's offensive pressure
Usually through healing or sheer bulk, keeping them out and preventing them from overwhelming your team, just like a wall.
Usually through healing or sheer bulk😊
Many players dislike these Pokémon and find them frustrating to play against, but they serve an important purpose in competitive singles
The length of the video is the average length of a match against hard stall in gen 8 ou
As a Toxapex enjoyer this is accurate
Clefable used Teleport!
Slowbro used Teleport!
My first bullshit super long stall game happened in this Gen Bro 😂
I think it was turn 150 and it was a toxapex 1v1
Stall isn’t even good in SS OU.
thank you heavy duty boots
It's Wall Wednesday.
It's Thursday
@@LukeA471 Tall Tednesday
It’s Friday Friday
@@LukeA471 It's Thursday, yes, but it's also Wall Wednesday
It's Tank Thursday
I think you forgot to add Magcargo in gen 3, it is a well known fact that Magcargo has a 100% win rate in gen 3 ou.
Wolves in competitive pokemon are 2016 world champions with multiple regional wins under their belt.
47:09 Emotion OST playing followed by Jim presenting the facts on Toxapex is some comedy.
The music matching the gens was a nice touch, great video Jim :)
An hour -long Pokemon video? Jim, you are delivering some of the most insane content on the platform.
Ty for this movie Mr Cool. Truly, one of the pokemon competitive videos of all time.
Gen 1 chansey being a brick shithouse that shits back is still one of my favorite competitive pokemon dynamics
A long detailed video about Pokemon walls a few days after a long detailed video about Mario 64 walls... _Hmmm_
You got that one too?
I beat skarmbliss in half an a press
Oh good glad I'm not the only person getting shown that recommendation. Is it any good?
@@kingpin6173 Pannenkoek2012 is a gaming hero, I highly recommend checking out his new masterpiece, as well as going back to watch "Watch For Rolling Rocks In 0.5x A Presses" (his most popular video) if you haven't seen it yet. It's an important part of gaming/internet history!
I like your pfp
I should also add in that, in Gen 2, Cloyster's scariest tool (besides spikes) is explosion. It has to sacrifice rapid spin to run it thanks to some egg move stuff, but it's worth it. It actively threatens Snorlax meaning the big man can't just stay in on a Cloy and can also punish any switch-ins provided you get a good read
Easiest Save to playlist: Sleep in my life. Cant wait.
Edit: I mean this as a compliment, not a diss. My sleep playlist is sacred.
Perfect video to listen to while I do data entry for my job, your voice is soothing and you're so good at explaining things!
Check out Episode 1 of my new podcast "The Fridge". I had a great chat with fellow creator LRXC about everything from Competitive Pokemon to Obscure Olympic sports.
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Your videos are becoming more like bkc, and I mean this in the best way possible. I love these long videos and i am here for more
Only one you missed that I would have liked to have heard about was Corviknight
Great video! Enjoying the longer form content
Loving the long form overview type videos.
Car ride home from work has been blessed once again
Whoa, adding Balatro music into the mix
If I already paid half of my attention to the music in some of these videos, let's just say I won't be less distracted
Love that theme, gets stuck in my head for hours lol
Also take this opportunity to say I enjoy the music in general.
Nice vid! Very cohesive through the gens!
MASTERPIECE, GREAT WORK!!!
This is funny cause I was doing a random battle last night and this guy had a gliscor and it kept spamming sub protect and toxic and it pretty much soloed my entire team until I just left my computer
I love running stall/defensive focused teams. Would love to shout out my favorite that didn't get mentioned here. Ferrothorn
crazy that this video is about as long as the average stall match
Hour long wall review, I will sleep well tonight
5:00 I think a good word for a wall that does major damage is “tank”, though I know that wall and tank are used interchangeably sometimes
I see you included the balatro soundtrack, nice pick. Addictive game
Hearing both Chrono Trigger and Balatro in the background threw me through a loop. Fitting on the latter, given there's a boss blind called The Wall.
I’m so excited to see what Jimothy says about my favorite wall, Cradily!
Ferrothorn? No mention? It's got an hour long video on FSG. Idk how it was missed haha! Great video tho!
That thumbnail that displays Poison Heal as a 16 pp move is killing me
Before watching this UA-cam forced me to watch an ad about smashing walls. Truly UA-cam prefers overwhelming offense.
Wait I'm very surprised I didn't see Ferrothorn
The video length is an accurate representation of the time it takes to break Blissey
1 hour jim video dropped we are so fucking back
snorlax is the quintessential tank of gen 1. can dish out just as much as it takes
How fitting a video on walls in competitive Pokémon is a wall of words
1 hour left at work and a 1 hour Jim video on walls drops. This is insane.
Primarina is another example of a great wall in gen 9. Its typing is just perfect considering some of the major threats in the tier, such as Great tusk, kingambit, gouging fire, etc
I was caught off guard when I heard the normal Verdanturf theme cut in- I was about to start mumbling ‘the money got different, cause I’m gonna spend it’ to myself
This makes me so happy Jim 😭💙
44:05 when you look under the truck in vermilion city
4:30 was that Iron Mugulus fighting a Meowth in the background? This is insane.
I honestly love tht they exist. Defensive teams are so damn fun
I love the move Poison Heal, its my favorite move that is not an ability. I am so glad the move Poison Heal was on the thumbnail
nice DKC OST in the back :)
Oh look the section on gen 3 is longer than the sections on gens 7 8 and 9 combined, now why would that be
What I like about Garganacl as a wall is that it functions more like an anti wall instead of a pure wall itself, everything it has is perfectly tuned to punish overly defensive strats that were used in the past. It can't be statused and its signature move does massive damage to steel and water the two types that were basically the mascot of defense. However, Garg is tricky to use as a pure wall due to its typing making it hard to find switch-in opportunities. It really needs both a turn to switch in and a turn to set up before you enter the garg engine, and those turns are usually against other walls
I’m not sure if this has been said before or not, but I personally believe Swampert and other Pokémon such as Carracosta should get shore up as I kinda believe it would fit with them. I mean Swampert has two dex entries stating it makes it’s nest on beautiful beaches, and Carracosta is literally “the prototurtle” Pokémon and turtles (at least sea turtles) are well known for building their nests on land and covering their eggs with sand (the Japanese name for shore up is literally sand gather). That’s just my opinion though, would appreciate any feedback on this
This hour long video is a wall for my productivity
Playing gen 7, spiking on the telegraphed toxapex switch, then coming back in and getting that JUICY Battle Bond form.
now we need a vid for all the defensive utility fellows, would love to see all my beloved steels like empoleon, heatran & ferrothorn 😤
I mean this with my whole heart
Fuck, and i mean FUCK, Garganacl
crazy to still hear that Clefable's type change was "controversial". It's preevolution has "fairy" in it's english name....
27:30 choice band wasn’t introduced in gen 4, you could get it in rse from the battle tower
Meant to say Choice Specs my mistake.
By the way this is a great video, a must watch for anyone that plays
Fitting that a video about walls is an hour long
Welcome back gentlemen to an hour of a productive discussion.
Regarding snorlax, aren't "tanks" an archtype in Pokemon? Slow units with massive bulk that can hit hard. Tanks share some traits with walls. However, Tanks have less longetivity and are more prone to be chipped down. Walls have access to consistent healing, but less consistent (if any) way of dishing damage
I wasnt ready for that toxipex slander 😂
"You're full of yourself" aimed at Iron Mugulis hits harder than it has any right to
surely Ferrothorn deserves a mention
How did you entirely skip Teleport slowbro, clef, bliss in the gen 8 portion. That move defined that generation imo
Probably saving them for a Pivot video, same as Glowking in Gen 9 with Chilly
47:12 i can't believe im doing this but im gonna defend toxapex lol. everything you said is 100% true, but at the same time it isn't anymore broken than the offensive threats in the tier. kartana, ash greninja, etc were all way too powerful considering their lack of weaknesses, and z moves were a whole other mess. the balance of the game in general sucked so toxapex needed to be a monster to hold defensive cores together. the only actual annoying part was how easily it made progress, but half the tier had volt switch, u turn, knock off, scald, rocks, etc so i never understand why defensive mons get all the hate when offensive pokemon were just as irritating by using their insane offensive pressure to use the same free progress moves. gen 9 is the result of that hate, gamefreak listened to us and removed a lot of these broken things from defensive mons, but offense got to keep all of it. so the game is just as painful but now it's twice as chaotic, with a bunch of terrifying threats getting in for free, clicking these annoying moves, then nuking through resists
Defensive Pokémon get more hate than offensive ones because stall is not just a viable game strategy, but also a test of patience, which most people do not have. Obviously defensive walls aren’t just present on stall, but people complain about defensive mons because they hate stall. If we hated hyper offense just as much, things might be different.
@@helpgirlimhavingalifecrisis i do get why ppl don't like them i just think it's misplaced. i couldn't care less if the game takes 20 turns or 200, i'll have fun if both me and my opponent are forced to think about our moves, rather than making a series of safe clicks to see who's matchup is better. modern stall is very brainless im aware of that, but modern offense is just as bad. pivoting makes it way too easy to position your threats, boots let you switch around for free, and the stab convergence has gotten way out of hand l (im talking about how 99% of modern pokemon can use dual stab + 1 coverage move to hit everything, and usually nuke through resists anyway)
"Dondozo is a blockade against any physical sweeper ever" iron defense + agility + power trip corviknight:
13:54 Look up "Pokemon Gen 2 Present Glitch"
25:32 tfw jimothy fucks with MapleStory. What a legend
My favorite move, poison heal
Im surprised you didnt talk about Amnesia in gen 1 especially on Snorlax.
RBY Rhydon does use Rest every now and then in more defensive oriented teams when you want longevity against Zapdos and Jolteon, also helps against non-ice beam Chansey since it can pp stall it.
I’d take 1 hour of Jimothy Cool talking about Big Stall™ any day tbh
I’m very grateful for the fact that in the global challenge I can use Urshifu against gliscor in some formats there just because it goes through protect and the surging strikes variant does super effective damage against it which allows me to deal with it easier. In regulation h it’s much more difficult to deal with when urshifu is banned.
Man what game is the first song that plays from? It’s so familiar but I can’t put my finger on it
this is the iliad of pokemon - a truly epic story
5:18 Rest in gen 1 is not as bad as you made it seem. You sleep for only one turn and on the next turn you wake up without being able to attack like you said, so it's about the same as in following generation. The only flaw is that you're vulnerable to status for one extra turn, which only matters for freeze really, so it's not significant imo
Toxapex and ferrothorn were there for me during my joker ark more than the whisky was.
wow i can't believe jimothy forgot to mention celebi's special dark weakness and only mentioned it's fire and ice ones
Yea I would figure a video about stall would take way longer than a regular video
A wall is a pokemon that is powerful enough defensively to act as a blockade against the enemys offensive pressure.
One hour of jim
Ah, yes, the poison-type move: Poison Heal.
Jimothy is something of a movie maker himself.
Wait, Soft-boiled Unaware Clefable was possible?!... How?
whats the music at the end of the generation 3 chapter, i rlly like it
This is incredible folks
My favorite gen 1 chansey.. ice beam, softboiled, seismic toss, substitute. It's not competitively viable but fun for a casual playthrough. Despite the hefty price tag for substitute.
I think a Water/Steel type regional variant Cloyster would be super neat
Nobody talking about tanks anymore. Did they fall off?
thats what im fucking talking about. ask and you shall receive