Bug Types in Competitive Pokemon.

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  • @jimothycool
    @jimothycool  8 місяців тому +228

    I forgot the best Bugs ever released, Genesect and Pheromosa. I apologize to the Bug type for my Slander
    They were too powerful and got Banned from OU. However they're not fantastic in the world of Ubers.
    Perhaps one day they'll create a Bug type Legendary who can compete with the best.

    • @victorycry8849
      @victorycry8849 8 місяців тому +7

      We don’t talk about Genesect.

    • @andre-8420
      @andre-8420 8 місяців тому +19

      Genesect is a horrorterror in the older gens its just gotten power creeped

    • @dudesweat6788
      @dudesweat6788 8 місяців тому +4

      Check out Psychics they are getting worse everyday

    • @TheBrownestFalcon
      @TheBrownestFalcon 8 місяців тому +20

      To be fair in Gen 5, Genesect was one of the best Ubers IIRC

    • @pedrogrande0889
      @pedrogrande0889 8 місяців тому +11

      But where was Durant?

  • @glitchedoom
    @glitchedoom 8 місяців тому +366

    I can't imagine living a life where I am constantly dealing with kitchen themed future paradox forms threatening me.

    • @glitchedoom
      @glitchedoom 8 місяців тому +10

      Also, shout-out to my favorite Pokemon for being the highest ranked Bug in my favorite meta, RBY.

    • @guilhermedalcin1136
      @guilhermedalcin1136 8 місяців тому +8

      Can't wait for the Air Fryer themed Rotom Heat.

    • @Birdsflight44
      @Birdsflight44 8 місяців тому +2

      You just assume they're all from the kitchen?
      You're setting yourself up for a real bad scare from some alarm clock or answering machine menace

  • @amateraceon5202
    @amateraceon5202 8 місяців тому +543

    The best thing Pokémon ever did for Bug types is buff Leech Life to 80 power on Gen 7 out of absolutely nowhere

    • @ladonmccabe
      @ladonmccabe 8 місяців тому +44

      Probably one of the neatest buffs around

    • @amateraceon5202
      @amateraceon5202 8 місяців тому +120

      Single-handedly changing the course of Zubat forever by forcing them to replace it with Absorb

    • @echo5172
      @echo5172 8 місяців тому +42

      All hail Buzzwole for giving us this buff

    • @patrickburton1401
      @patrickburton1401 8 місяців тому +48

      @@echo5172buzzwole really said “do you even lift bro?” And proceeded to show how to properly use Leech Life

    • @Glory2Snowstar
      @Glory2Snowstar 8 місяців тому +28

      When I caught my obligatory Zubat for the team I got confused as to why they suddenly had Absorb.
      Then I picked up that TM and got even MORE confused.
      THEN I saw the BP. Since then it’s been my favorite Move.

  • @halowaffle25
    @halowaffle25 8 місяців тому +237

    2:30 Gen 1 Pinser is so sad. Never have I seen a pokemon wish so desperately to have been born a normal type.

    • @johnsanko4136
      @johnsanko4136 8 місяців тому +30

      Heracross is what Pincer should have been.

    • @luissilva1954
      @luissilva1954 8 місяців тому +47

      if at least vicegrip was bug-type
      wouldn't be good, but it would be... something

    • @DeckKnight
      @DeckKnight 8 місяців тому +33

      ​@luissilva1954 Bug type Vicegrip would have made Kingler pretty scary against psychics and especially Exeggutor. SD up and suddenly all those Psychic mons start sweating.

    • @luissilva1954
      @luissilva1954 8 місяців тому +7

      @@DeckKnight yea exeggutor would be TREMBLING

    • @Isabelle-mp8rk
      @Isabelle-mp8rk 8 місяців тому +18

      gen 1 dragonite wishes it was normal too tbh

  • @FlyingNinjaish
    @FlyingNinjaish 8 місяців тому +99

    A 40 minute video on U-turn type and Volcorona-type pokemon. This is insane, folks.

  • @RichardBlaziken
    @RichardBlaziken 8 місяців тому +192

    I would actually guess that Bug was the first type added, given that catching bugs was the concept that led to what became Pokemon. If so, that might be why it's so terrible - all the other types added afterwards got all the fancy fun moves.

    • @jimothycool
      @jimothycool  8 місяців тому +59

      That could be true.

    • @Chibispore
      @Chibispore 8 місяців тому +49

      Yeah I get the impression that for gen 1 specifically when the types were conceived that bug was amongst the first - not just because insect collecting is the basis of the whole franchise, but also because mechanically it interacts with two of the three starter elements, its one of the first types you encounter that teaches you the table, and the bug pokemon's stats slash movepools themselves scream "we're the simple early RPG encounter baddies that annoy the shit out of you with status conditions so you know how to handle them later".

    • @northdakotagamer
      @northdakotagamer 8 місяців тому +19

      ​@@Chibisporebased on Gen 1 index numbers Bug was the last type to have a Mon implemented (Scyther at 26). That being said, I can't imagine Bug type was the last one considered given Satoshi Tajiri's story about catching bugs inspiring Pokemon

    • @Joaquin-rd3km
      @Joaquin-rd3km 8 місяців тому +25

      Nah, it's because Pokemon RB were originally conceived as a more traditional RPG game, and bug types where supposed to be like the early game characters, they evolve early but get outclassed later.

    • @n2k970
      @n2k970 8 місяців тому

      kinda like kirby in smash melee, got powercrept out of relevance

  • @skewah
    @skewah 8 місяців тому +88

    The characterization of Shedinja as an unfortunate little guy was very endearing

    • @ladonmccabe
      @ladonmccabe 8 місяців тому +10

      Shedinja was a guilty pleasure of mine.

    • @arachnofiend2859
      @arachnofiend2859 8 місяців тому +16

      @@ladonmccabe I played with a link cable exactly once in my Pokemon career. I used a Shedinja to beat my friend's team of legendaries and just sat there smugly not telling him what Wonder Guard did. Back in the day when information was less widespread there was a big gap between people who Know and people who just play the games

    • @ladonmccabe
      @ladonmccabe 8 місяців тому +6

      @@arachnofiend2859 haha I remember those days fondly. I always used to get the guides and book-pokedexes. I remember roght before ruby and saphire came out, we all thought that some pokemon would have 3 types, like groudon having fire/rock/ground. We never expected pokemon abilities!

    • @Birdsflight44
      @Birdsflight44 8 місяців тому

      ​@@arachnofiend2859
      Yep.
      I was such a pro gamer with my hoard of level 100 pokemon.
      It really blew their mind when I did it in gen 3, after I hqd already revealed the magic of Missingno. (aka- leave the up button held overnight by a mudslide with Pokemon in the daycare)
      And I had Blue version on my Red version. (pressing buttons when you start the gameboy)
      Unfortunately I was a bit too influential on the children in my life with my 1337 gamer sk1llz though, because it resulted in five tweens getting their parents to buy them Morrowind.
      ...Some fantasy swears got banned at school.

  • @bscheur7412
    @bscheur7412 8 місяців тому +141

    I’ll be waiting for my Iron Fridgilis merch. I need a new fridge

    • @Jeremagpie
      @Jeremagpie 8 місяців тому +3

      Did your old one run away?

  • @Brandon.thebaby
    @Brandon.thebaby 8 місяців тому +628

    bug is one of the most unfortunate types in the world of competitive pokemon

    • @thatoneguy3840
      @thatoneguy3840 8 місяців тому +94

      in the early generations, bug-types were very limited defensively and had extremely scarce attacking options.

    • @gaybastarddracula
      @gaybastarddracula 8 місяців тому +8

      @@thatoneguy3840 with the introduction of stealth rock to the game, which punished all rock-weak pokemon including bugs, they suffered even more.

    • @naturalharmoniagropius4486
      @naturalharmoniagropius4486 8 місяців тому +79

      with the introduction of Stealth Rocks to the game, which punishes all Rock-weak Pokemon, including Bugs, they suffer even more.

    • @ragingsquirtle
      @ragingsquirtle 8 місяців тому +67

      Viable competitve bug types tend to be a rarity but they do exist

    • @0racle751
      @0racle751 8 місяців тому +23

      Viable competitive bug types tend to be a rarity, but they do exist.

  • @darko-man8549
    @darko-man8549 8 місяців тому +37

    If emergency exit worked at the end of the turn, Golisopod would have been OU for sure. Basically a one-time free pivot on any move

  • @tukito5634
    @tukito5634 8 місяців тому +12

    Heracross has once again invaded my home and under the threat of its Swarm-boosted Megahorn, it has forced me to watch this insane video.

  • @juanrached4523
    @juanrached4523 8 місяців тому +41

    The shedinja with leftovers absolute kills me xDD

    • @Aryzo
      @Aryzo 8 місяців тому +6

      i was gonna say isnt that nonsensical lmfao

    • @aprinnyonbreak1290
      @aprinnyonbreak1290 7 місяців тому +3

      I like how half the things in the game just don't work on Shedinja
      You invest your 252 into Attack, of course... the 252 into Speed, I guess, Shedinja isn't outspeeding anything anyways... then 4 in SpA, I guess?
      Oh, trick room Shedinja? Yeah, 252 Attack, 252 SpA, and 4 Defense in case my game glitches and Shedinja somehow uses Body Press.
      Shedinja should absolutely learn Body Press, by the way

    • @ShiningJudgment666
      @ShiningJudgment666 7 місяців тому +2

      @@aprinnyonbreak1290 Defense wasn't relevant on Shedinja until Gen 4 onwards when Download became an ability. Incredibly specific but you'd want higher defense to prevent a Download Pokemon from getting a favorable attack boost.

  • @Krona-fb4dn
    @Krona-fb4dn 8 місяців тому +66

    Absolutely absurd they felt the need *nerf* bug in Gen 6 by making Fairy resist it.

    • @arachnofiend2859
      @arachnofiend2859 8 місяців тому +30

      Surely bug should be super effective against fairy, right? It plays right into the trope of cutesy characters being freaked out by bugs.

    • @Chicken_strips73
      @Chicken_strips73 8 місяців тому +26

      @@arachnofiend2859 while I see your point but from a game balancing perspective I think bug should do neutral damage to fairy and just resist it instead. The reason being if bug does super effective damage to fairy, poison types only two offensive match ups will be taken over by bug. While having bug do neutral is already a good buff having it resist it fairy is a definite yes since all of Bug's regular resistances are done arguably better by flying types. Giving it neutral damage and a resist to fairy will allow for more justification for bug types without damaging poison types viability too much and it'll be a type that will be able deal with the terrifying combo of ground/fairy if Gamefreak decides to make one. By the way bug type is my favorite type and I just wish it was better not over powered.

    • @shrooberto
      @shrooberto 8 місяців тому +8

      99% sure they purely did this because of U-turn.

    • @Krona-fb4dn
      @Krona-fb4dn 8 місяців тому +11

      ​@@shrooberto ngl, I can't buy that since bug is ALREADY one of the most resisted types in the game before that change.
      -fire
      -fighting
      -flying
      -steel
      -poison
      -ghost
      I think the only reason they did it is just cause Bug is largely still early-game filler/garbo to gamefreak.

    • @rajkanishu
      @rajkanishu 8 місяців тому +7

      ​@@Krona-fb4dn nah they did it because they do not care about balance at all, they just design things based on how much they make sense in a real world setting, like making avalugg a massive physical wall because it's literally a giant block of ice despite it obviously failing at it due to the game's mechanics
      and as we all know, in real life fairies are resistant to bugs /s

  • @Guimhj
    @Guimhj 8 місяців тому +69

    It would be very weird for bug to be added late in development, considering bug fighting was the inspiration for Pokemon lol

    • @TheBfutgreg
      @TheBfutgreg 8 місяців тому +12

      I think with the design philosophy of Gen 1 (JRPG tropes) they were meant for early game only....like how Onix is a check for you having a special attacker since it's awful otherwise
      Scyther and Pinsir are odd though

    • @LeonSKennedy-b9v
      @LeonSKennedy-b9v 8 місяців тому +5

      Bugs fighting and bug collection may have been the inspiration but that doesn't mean much when you take into consideration the fact that pokemon types became a concept in the middle of gen 1's development, they weren't always meant to be a thing. And they propably did not have the time to balance all the types out like they would want. And then there is exactly what the comment above mentioned, bugs were just designed for early game usage. Pinsir and Scyther were propably just added as rare strong bug types but they weren't meant to be that useful hence the lack of bug moves

    • @ttan7293
      @ttan7293 5 місяців тому +1

      while making the game they didn't even think pokemon was going to be 'a thing' so I doubt they had competitive balance in mind at all. IIRC they thought gen 2 would be the last of it

  • @dez4668
    @dez4668 8 місяців тому +56

    the history of bug type pokemon in competitive pokemon is a case that never really sat right with me, in this web of conspiracy several different aspects of the case as far back as gen 1 have always bugged me. Glad to see an expert like Jim needle his way into the conversation, as opposed to taking the same u-turn the rest of the community has.

    • @wentoneisendon6502
      @wentoneisendon6502 8 місяців тому +8

      In the sticky web of conspiracy

    • @luizpdrnogueira
      @luizpdrnogueira 8 місяців тому +5

      Bug is kind of a wonder type. In Gen 1, despite mechanically and in practice being not good, theoretically was designed to be a counter to one of the strongest types in the game. The mythology behind a type that is abundantly found early on and that becomes the surprising antidote to the later fights is wonderful to me

    • @aprinnyonbreak1290
      @aprinnyonbreak1290 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@luizpdrnogueira
      Tragically, the best Bug type in gen 1 was Jolteon. Some people would cite Pinsir, but, Pinser is clearly a Normal type.

    • @shironeko1843
      @shironeko1843 7 місяців тому

      "taking the same U-turn", I see what you did there 😂

  • @derekfarkas5538
    @derekfarkas5538 8 місяців тому +10

    In scarlet and violet if you try to make your mon bug tera the game will ask you three times “are you sure?”

  • @alzef1375
    @alzef1375 8 місяців тому +10

    My favorite bug type of all time is araquanid. Diving helmet spiders are so cool that the manhwa Jungle Juice has the main villain be themed like one, and back in the time of FISHIOUS REND I actually used water absorb instead of bubble to switch in to use sticky webs. It's also bulkier than anyone expects, so rocky helmet helped a ton to make progress. Also, the ability to bounce back hazards and toxic on the low ladder sometimes won me the game automatically. I like my water spider, I think I named her Bubbles.

  • @saltmines5761
    @saltmines5761 8 місяців тому +11

    A really cool idea was something the creator of the Inclement Emerald romhack did; they made Vikavolt a pseudo with 109 spd. That would have been a really cool idea for GF to do, especially since you can’t get Vikavolt until the late game in Gen 7

    • @mr.sandman7339
      @mr.sandman7339 8 місяців тому +6

      I like the idea of getting the baby form of the pseudo early, too so it grows with you. Much better than getting it in the last area of the game and having to train it up before the League. The way they put Gible in an optional and hidden part of Wayward cave is my favorite way of doing this.

  • @Sir_Musty
    @Sir_Musty 8 місяців тому +53

    It feels like Bug was designed to be good early on with early evos but bad later on in the game when everything catches up. Even kid me had to box my Butterfree when it couldn't hack it anymore
    Glad they fleshed it out to make it a solid type in later gens

    • @tylerd1297
      @tylerd1297 8 місяців тому +10

      Hes a bit limited in Gen 2 but Heracross is like the antithesis of that lol. Single stage, absurdly strong for that point in the game.

    • @Sir_Musty
      @Sir_Musty 8 місяців тому +10

      Heracross is the exception to the rule, for sure!
      Just a shame that without insane luck/outside tools, getting him in a regular playthrough is nigh on impossible, a shame too since i always liked Ash's one in the Johto anime

    • @breloommaster12
      @breloommaster12 8 місяців тому +11

      While Bug has received quite a bunch of tools and representatives in more recent Gens, it's still sadly very easily bottom 5 among all types. I'd even argue Bug is the "18th best type" overall due to just how little benefit actually _being_ Bug yields.
      While slow Rock and Ice types suck, fast Rock and Ice types are usually great. Normal and Psychic suffer from "too much" neutrality among the type chart and typically rely on being overstatted or have amazing abilities to keep up, but once they're across the line they tend to perform decently. Bug, on the other hand, has so many downsides for so little benefit that said Bug-types almost need to be cracked/overtuned to even start being good.

    • @aprinnyonbreak1290
      @aprinnyonbreak1290 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@tylerd1297
      Eh.
      Gen 4 Heracross, sure.
      Gold/Silver heracross was miserable. Enjoy your fighting attack (Reversal) at like level 54 or whatever, I guess. Hope you like non-stab Headbutt and Strength. Or Rock Smash. Strongest Rock Smash this side of a Link Cable, I tell you what.
      I forget if Crystal made changes, I don't think it did.

    • @tylerd1297
      @tylerd1297 7 місяців тому +1

      @@aprinnyonbreak1290 hence my first sentence.
      That's all true but I was talking about what OP wrote in regards to other bugs. In regards to what you're saying, it is still pretty darn strong relative to anything else available at that point. Id compare it to Gyarados. Not winning any awards for power but strong and well rounded stats. The Normal types like Ursaring, Tauros, and Stantler are a lot stronger.

  • @MaahirMomtaz12
    @MaahirMomtaz12 8 місяців тому +7

    Introducing Buzzwole, Pheromosa, Golisopod, buffing Leech Life and introducing First Impression redeemed the Bug-types

  • @shaunccgeek5929
    @shaunccgeek5929 8 місяців тому +13

    congratulations on 69,000 subscribers, mr. cool. this is insane.

  • @azeria1
    @azeria1 8 місяців тому +25

    I recently brought a new fridge last week should I be concerned I have let a dangerous Pokemon into my home

  • @rontheauraknight9606
    @rontheauraknight9606 8 місяців тому +5

    Scolipede should be noted for being the mon to break baton pass in both gen 7 and 6 getting it finally banned in both gens.
    Other than that it’s a pretty good attacker once it got a nice 10 attack boost from gen 5 to 6 and speed boost. It’s basically what Ninjask wishes it could be once bp was banned as it has Aqua tail, Rock slide, EQ, poison jab for coverage with SD. You can run a full suicide set with sash endeavor and tspikes

  • @snowtin2314
    @snowtin2314 8 місяців тому +22

    Love that Jimothy Cool uploaded a video about my favorite type on my birthday! How did he know??? 😰

    • @jimothycool
      @jimothycool  8 місяців тому +21

      I knew that.

    • @snowtin2314
      @snowtin2314 8 місяців тому +11

      Bro's a Psychic type confirmed

  • @llorencalbons4803
    @llorencalbons4803 8 місяців тому +2

    This man does not run out of fantastic video ideas. This is incredible folks

  • @KLIXORthe
    @KLIXORthe 8 місяців тому +2

    A buff I've always dreamed of for bug types is hazard damage immunity. Most bug feet are tiny specialized claws, and bugs have highly sophisticated feelers and leg reflexes for climbing. Most IRL bugs are too light for gravity to impale any part of them on a spike, much less to force a sharp rock through their exoskeleton. It also fits with the theme of bugs being adaptable.
    This would also greatly improve the bug types ability to spam STAB U-turn and to come in on ground and fighting moves, and I think such a change could singlehandedly save bug from being the worst type.

  • @SoCalSon395
    @SoCalSon395 8 місяців тому +1

    I really like the way you pause to emphasize the second word of 2 word moves like sticky Web and leech Life, makes me giggle

  • @CODsauceify
    @CODsauceify 8 місяців тому +22

    Generation 10, megas come back. Oh whats this? Mega Flygon comes buzzing in with Tinted Lens Bug / Dragon STAB coverage!

    • @rot10ed
      @rot10ed 8 місяців тому +9

      it gets "Super Lens" which is tinted lens but also makes dragon attacks super effective against fairy types.

    • @CODsauceify
      @CODsauceify 8 місяців тому +3

      @@rot10ed omg that sounds broken!!! I love it. I always thought Bug need a buff to at the very least resist Fairy.

    • @Kuroo39
      @Kuroo39 8 місяців тому +11

      flygon won't get anything cuz charizard is getting a third mega

    • @ByrneBaby
      @ByrneBaby 8 місяців тому +2

      RELEASE TINTED LENS MEGA FLYGON!!! 85/135/60/130/60/145 STATS, TOO!!

    • @lovemykids570mommyvlogger
      @lovemykids570mommyvlogger 8 місяців тому

      Thats a funny way of spelling yanmega

  • @coleschmidt2800
    @coleschmidt2800 8 місяців тому +19

    Iron fridgeulis should’ve been a past paradox titled frigid shelf

    • @hux0rd
      @hux0rd 8 місяців тому +4

      What about "Cold Storage" ?

  • @TooEaxy
    @TooEaxy 8 місяців тому +2

    I love the comments on ur videos they just repeat quotes you say in the video and it cracks me up way more than it should 😂

  • @ahassani
    @ahassani 8 місяців тому +9

    Welcome back, gentlemen, to the best way to spend your 40 minutes productively.

  • @infinitesheldon5710
    @infinitesheldon5710 7 місяців тому +2

    I love how long Forretress stayed relevant. He's just such a great little guy.

  • @marktoniamor-segan3670
    @marktoniamor-segan3670 8 місяців тому +1

    Loved this video! You mentioned Accelgor having more use in Ubers than OU in Gen 5 - I’d love a full video on other such “leapfrog” pokemon that are good in a higher tier and worse in the one below it.

  • @kanakazzz
    @kanakazzz 8 місяців тому

    Jim is spoiling us with amazing content all the time. My favorite youtuber for a while now. Remember to relax, Jim! Don't burn yourself out! Your content is much appriciated

  • @aerochrome_glow
    @aerochrome_glow 8 місяців тому +7

    Great vid! I think you should have mentioned the 2 bugs too good for OU : Genesect and Pheromosa

  • @wretchedpkmn
    @wretchedpkmn 8 місяців тому +2

    3:59 beedrill does not get a move called brainstorm, Jim. Idk what you're talkin ab

  • @darko-man8549
    @darko-man8549 8 місяців тому +4

    I love bug type pokemon. I was running monobug teams in gen 7&8 but they suffered from 6-pokemon-slot-syndrome.
    When a bug type does well, it seems to do so despite the type rather than because of the type

    • @dreadfury2485
      @dreadfury2485 8 місяців тому

      Volcarona, Scizor/Genesect, and Buzzwole are definitely better because of their Bug typings.
      Volcarona being neutral to Ground/resistant to Fighting, Buzzwole being resistant to Ground and Grass, and the Bug/Steel types having STAB U-Turn while also being Steel-types that aren’t weak to Fighting/Ground play a HUGE role in their success.
      And that’s the problem with Bug; the vast majority of typings it’s paired with don’t really play into its strengths, and a lot of those typings instead double down on its crippling weaknesses or just layer on too many weaknesses. But Bug has some genuine potential, as these sorts of monsters show; it has an extremely specific defensive profile that includes resisting the most common offensive typings in the game in Ground and Fighting.

  • @josephtripp1696
    @josephtripp1696 8 місяців тому +2

    I've been playing Mono-Bug since the reign of terror of the Smogon bird. Nothing you say or do about my beautiful, squishy, underpowered little babies could ever make me stop loving them.

  • @pipohemm8726
    @pipohemm8726 8 місяців тому +5

    Best thing about bug is the resistance to ground and fighting imo which pairs really well with stuff like steel. On its own or with flying/poison/ grass its just horrendous.

    • @iantaakalla8180
      @iantaakalla8180 8 місяців тому +2

      I like how the best thing about Bug is pivoting and that is somehow guards against the two most spammed types in Ground and Fighting. While Ground was always good, Fighting is not, but now that it is Bug is a pretty good defensive type just by blocking those two types

  • @eyeguyart8685
    @eyeguyart8685 8 місяців тому

    The Spidops review was the highlight of the video. Bless you.

  • @cisconduct
    @cisconduct 8 місяців тому +22

    id love to see you interview moxie boosted and see you guys go back and forth comparing vgc to smogon singles

  • @shadowthehedgehog9190
    @shadowthehedgehog9190 6 місяців тому +2

    I think the best thing gamefreak can do for bug types is make bug type super effective against fairy. Fairy is too strong and it gets tiring how gamefreak keeps taking down the "super types" (gen 1 psychic and gen 3-5 dragon) and then uplifting another super type (fairy). This gives bug a much needed boost and goes a long way in balancing fairy.

  • @CabbageMuncher13
    @CabbageMuncher13 3 місяці тому +1

    One thing that I was always confused by is Volcarona will typically run the Bug type Z-Move Savage Spin-Out. And that doesn’t sound like a special move, but because it’s based off of Bug Buzz it is.

  • @beanburrito4405
    @beanburrito4405 8 місяців тому +3

    Durant is probably the best bug not listed in this video. Hustle First Impression can hurt like a bitch and it has seen success in UU and RU, usually ending up in a BL tier for being too overwhelming

  • @its_me_jamie
    @its_me_jamie 8 місяців тому

    Thank you Jim Cool for this excellent video on Bug Type Pokemon!

  • @LiliGasanj
    @LiliGasanj 8 місяців тому +1

    4:33 considering bug catching was Tajiri Satoshi's biggest hobby and the main inspiration for Pokemon's creation as a whole, i highly doubt bug type wasnt considered until late, i think its more likely just gen 1 being gen 1

  • @MrEwvan
    @MrEwvan 8 місяців тому +2

    Bug/Steel 🤝 Ground/Water
    Being a fantastic defensive type with a single 4x weakness

  • @a.delafrancesca1459
    @a.delafrancesca1459 8 місяців тому +1

    Loved the video! Hope to see it from other types as well

  • @superpippo93x
    @superpippo93x 8 місяців тому +2

    0:11 I don't know how and where you found this clip, but Jesus that poor Beedrill, getting crit by a SLOWBRO off all things despite the gen 1 crit mechanics it's like the most unfortunate thing I've ever seen XD

  • @PikaPunch44
    @PikaPunch44 8 місяців тому +2

    35:10 I think you meant Orbeetle lol

  • @DragN_H3art
    @DragN_H3art 8 місяців тому +2

    I always wondered how Mr Cool Jimothy thinks about changing Bug/Fairy type interactions? It's one of the most talked about potential buff ideas for Bug types
    I've seen people dislike the idea of buffing U-Turn further but it might be something to finally make bugs more threatening while knocking down one of the best types down a peg

    • @mr.sandman7339
      @mr.sandman7339 8 місяців тому +1

      I think they need to restrict the distribution of U-Turn to mostly just go to Bugs anyway. Why can Rillaboom U-turn with its bulky drum set but Vikavolt and Golisopod can't?

  • @Kazuchi35
    @Kazuchi35 8 місяців тому +1

    I know this is about competitive play, but the stark contrast between Red/Blue and Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee is astounding. They actually made Pinsir and Scyther playable with updated movesets. I always wanted to use them in a Gen 1 playthrough, but felt insanely lackluster and pointless to use. I love it.

  • @durk8892
    @durk8892 8 місяців тому

    I really liked Shelmet in gen 7 and 8. It had a similar niche to Accelgor as a setter of the controversial spikes. But where Accelgor would outspeed everyone, Shelmet can take most Physical hits, especially against tier king Landorus. I think he's an amazing fellow for how good he can be as a non evolved bug guy.
    Awesome video

  • @qedsoku849
    @qedsoku849 8 місяців тому +2

    I think bug is often underrated as a defensive type, with it’s important resistances to ground and fighting.

  • @fastrockproductions9788
    @fastrockproductions9788 8 місяців тому +2

    I think an element of why bug seems so awful nowadays is that certain bug types are also not in gen 9 many of which would not be world beaters but they would essentially make an impact. I do also think that we should revert the useage to be in ou to what it was pre gen 8. The shift to 4.52% usage did really cause a lot of artificial power creep compared to past gens as with the dlcs causing a bunch of pokemon dropping to uu at once including many mons that had enough useage to be ou in past gens but not in gen 9. If a absurd mon drops to a tier it will be banned but if dozens of mons drop to a tier no matter many will just become the new faces of the format

  • @gligarguy4010
    @gligarguy4010 8 місяців тому +1

    I'll never get tired of the way this guy says Baton Pass

  • @jamesgiles4517
    @jamesgiles4517 8 місяців тому +3

    Jimothy continued FSGs how good were "intert type here" actually

  • @terdragontra8900
    @terdragontra8900 8 місяців тому

    4:34 I don’t think Bug was added late necessarily, they just werent balancing the game for competitive play, and certainly not a competitive play where all types are roughly as viable as each other. Bug types exist as early route Pokémon that evolve early to teach you about the mechanic, to then get replaced by better Pokémon to give a sense of progression.

  • @argonburnspink1441
    @argonburnspink1441 8 місяців тому +2

    none of us are questioning why his shedinja has leftovers

  • @Rubbly
    @Rubbly 8 місяців тому +1

    Look at Jimothy, putting out more high quality long-form content!
    In other words, I'm BUGGIN OUT over this video!

  • @lorenzobolis5166
    @lorenzobolis5166 8 місяців тому

    Awesome, I hope you'll do this for every type for as long as it may take

  • @BhongasBracks
    @BhongasBracks 8 місяців тому

    Keep up this kind of content Jimothy. You got my like 👍

  • @orendafni
    @orendafni Місяць тому

    3:26 most likely one of the bind misses and you find yourself in a terrible.... bind! It was right there!

  • @Fancy_Lebowski
    @Fancy_Lebowski 8 місяців тому +2

    I'm surprised Centiskorch isn't in SV, especially since it was introduced a Gen earlier, plus it has a great design. Oh well, at least I have a Volcarona.

  • @baddragonite
    @baddragonite 8 місяців тому +1

    I don't think that bug was necessarily badly thought out in general 1, I think it's just they only really balanced around the single player story mode. Bugs were meant to be sort of early game mons to move past.
    Kinda like how Onix is pretty bad competitively but as a first in game "boss monster" it works cause it teaches the player about types and special vs physical without being too threatening to feel hopeless to the player

  • @D461Sage
    @D461Sage 8 місяців тому +1

    I suspect that the reason why hdb isn't as big of a boon as one might think is because hdb also enables flying and fire types

  • @makenshao9886
    @makenshao9886 8 місяців тому +1

    It's really quaint how reticient they were with adding new moves (and giving them wide distribution in general) that so many types were stuck using HP for STAB haha. Poor forretress wasnt even granted x-scissor because it was completely off flavour

  • @atalkingcat73
    @atalkingcat73 8 місяців тому +1

    Loved the video. It'd be great if you could include OU banned mons too like Pheromosa and Genesect

  • @darko-man8549
    @darko-man8549 8 місяців тому +1

    I love Centiskorch - he was always on my monotype
    Frosmoth is great as well. I love it.

  • @zacharydezeeuw7779
    @zacharydezeeuw7779 8 місяців тому

    When he says that Volcorona has “good bulk” I feel like that means it can take most big hits to get a quiver off, then sweep. It has just enough defenses to where it doesn’t need a free turn.

  • @SilverScarletSpider
    @SilverScarletSpider 8 місяців тому +2

    i hope you talk about mixed genesect extreme speed with ice beam flamethrower and shift gear

  • @chemnao4009
    @chemnao4009 8 місяців тому

    I love gen 5 for a lot of reasons, most of all because we got tons of cool bug types (galvantula, leavanny, volcarona, crustle, scolipede,.... all of them in fact).
    Truly a blessed gen (if you're not afraid of bugs^^)

  • @TheRealGigachad1848
    @TheRealGigachad1848 8 місяців тому

    I can't believe the future paradox form of Rotom-Frost was able to recruit Jim to his side.

  • @almostdangerous1412
    @almostdangerous1412 8 місяців тому +1

    Kinda surprised Pheromosa wasn't mentioned in Gen 8 since it was legal for a while until people started running Shock Wave for boltbeam coverage and it got banned to Ubers

  • @movezig5
    @movezig5 8 місяців тому +2

    Sounds to me like Stealth Rock is the real problem here. Should have been dexited, or had its mechanics changed to not factor in type weaknesses.

  • @hansoskar1911
    @hansoskar1911 8 місяців тому +42

    one of the shittiest things about Gen 1 game design is that they put a forest with exclusively bug types right befoer the first gym where they are all completly useless.

    • @potatoman2580
      @potatoman2580 8 місяців тому +13

      this could not be further from the truth. the early game of kanto teaches you that type matches dont mean everything- butterfree easily beats brock, and beedrill can with enough luck too.

    • @MD-vs9ff
      @MD-vs9ff 8 місяців тому +7

      ​@potatoman2580 Butterfree could hack it in RBY maybe. Not FRLG where Brock actually has Rock type attacks.

    • @chillyfalcon
      @chillyfalcon 8 місяців тому +6

      ​@@potatoman2580 but Brock's gen1 team are just super tanky normal types cause they don't even use rock moves except for Geodude in Pokemon Yellow only

    • @potatoman2580
      @potatoman2580 8 місяців тому +4

      @@MD-vs9ff you just need a little more skill to beat brock with butterfree in frlg. you can spam harden against the geodude, and then after taking it out with confusion, you can either stun spore the onix, or sleep powder it if you have enough levels. rock tomb is like a 3 hit KO which is very manageable with the right luck

    • @potatoman2580
      @potatoman2580 8 місяців тому +5

      @@chillyfalcon exactly, thats why the bugs have a very easy time with him

  • @horrorkidd369
    @horrorkidd369 4 місяці тому

    14:22 if you think Butterfree is "not particularly fantastic" you should watch the Butterfee sweep from Tabasko TV in the GPL season 7

  • @zinnias114
    @zinnias114 8 місяців тому

    Enjoyed the video, but another odd selection for gen 7. Neither webs or golis have ever seen any consistent high level play, I think Mega Pinsir and Mega Hera would have been better to talk about. Another nice thing about Buzzwole to mention is that it can check Mega Swampert, Mega Lopunny and Kartana nicely. Volcarona can also work well without a Z-Crystal, gen 7 is where the Substitute + Swarm set started taking off (utilizing Leftovers, I go into great detail on Volcarona’s analysis page). Overall good video though; keep it up man

  • @Weareonenation303
    @Weareonenation303 8 місяців тому +3

    I feel the only reason GF made the asinine decision of giving Fairy a bug resist was to deter U-Turn spam which was completely unnecessary.

    • @mingphung632
      @mingphung632 8 місяців тому +2

      And how does fairy resist bug in a real life/folklore logic

    • @TheBfutgreg
      @TheBfutgreg Місяць тому

      They should just restrict the move's distribution, makes psychic types shittier than they need to be
      And every bug is outclassed by other stronger Pokémon with a better typing that also can use U-turn.....Either restrict its distribution or make U-turn normal type, that would be insane folks

  • @joshuaminko1312
    @joshuaminko1312 8 місяців тому +1

    Very good video, but it seems you forgot to talk about broken roach lady of gen7 Pheromosa, who was played in OU even tho it was banned in the end.

  • @youtubecomments2740
    @youtubecomments2740 8 місяців тому

    13:54 "It has an unfortunate time, because sans"

  • @et34t34fdf
    @et34t34fdf 8 місяців тому +9

    As if bug wasn't bad enough offensively, gamefreak really went the extra step to have it be resisted by fairy as well.
    Not every type is created equal, but was it really neccessary to have bug being resisted by basically everything?

    • @Roflmao6173
      @Roflmao6173 8 місяців тому +2

      Bug types have so many amazing tools going for it that would balance the bad typing, but often other pokemon WITHOUT the terrible bug typing also have access to them which makes majority of bug types except the premier ones not worth using. Imagine if u-turn was only available to bug types

  • @Lilybun
    @Lilybun 8 місяців тому +1

    they definitely did bug type dirty by giving fairy a bug resist

  • @jadonteino3438
    @jadonteino3438 8 місяців тому +1

    Iron Fridgulis would be OU if not it’s terrible defensive typing and lack of coverage to hit steel types, but it’s speed tier makes it an excellent threat with booster energy in UU

  • @Trollogrefey
    @Trollogrefey 5 місяців тому

    I do wish you brought up vikivolt in gen 7, it's not great as it's low tier (RU I think, maybe NU idr) but it's really cool and a fun bulky spA mon in that tier. Excellent video on my favorite type!

  • @King_Nipper
    @King_Nipper 8 місяців тому +1

    Heracross is the best bug. Headbutt that tree, get the champion tier bug!

  • @DeckKnight
    @DeckKnight 8 місяців тому

    Looking at Buzzwole's stat distribution and realizing it's only a few points difference in each stat from Great Tusk. No wonder it was good.

  • @thenextdoor696
    @thenextdoor696 8 місяців тому +1

    RIP, Phermosa didn't make it in the video

  • @Mage_Nichlas_
    @Mage_Nichlas_ 8 місяців тому

    The idea that Bug was added late in Gen 1 development seems like a stretch to me considering the idea for Pokémon was Satoshi Tajiri catching bugs in the forests of Japan during his childhood.
    Regardless of the reasoning, *SOMETHING* was definitely off with many Gen 1 Types, Bug being one of the biggest question mark of the lot.

  • @YamYamYamfish
    @YamYamYamfish 8 місяців тому

    I'd honestly forgotten about the bug moon (32:59). In fact, come to think about it, I haven't recently even been seeing it in the sky. Do you have any information on the status of the bug moon?

  • @lordinfernape4753
    @lordinfernape4753 8 місяців тому

    Iron Frudgulis is crazy
    Btw both podcast slapped🔥we need BKC next, or maybe Blunder, even Chompy

  • @Footballfan896
    @Footballfan896 7 місяців тому

    I’m surprised that Iron Bugulis never got brought up in this video. Must be the workings of Iron Mugulis

  • @CRH4000
    @CRH4000 8 місяців тому +2

    Inb4 a million comments saying bug should have an advantage over fairy (Which I completely agree with) Why does fairy resist bug? Maybe it was because of u-turn but i'm not sure about that can someone familiar with pre gen 6 VGC tell me how prominent u-turn was. Another thing I don't understand is why so few bug types with good attack get u-turn while so many water type physical attackers get flip turn.

    • @yungmuney5903
      @yungmuney5903 8 місяців тому

      Can't they just make U-turn 40 power instead of screwing over an entire type even harder?

  • @Fig_Bender
    @Fig_Bender 8 місяців тому +1

    Jimothy, I'm at work, I can't spend 41 minutes watching a video on competitive bugs.
    But I will anyway.

  • @MishKoz
    @MishKoz 7 місяців тому

    My favorite bug type has got to be Golisopod. Shame that it isn't very good in competitive but I had a lot of fun hitting the First Impression button when I first played gen 7. It also just has such a great design and name.

  • @flyingoctopus4304
    @flyingoctopus4304 7 місяців тому

    I think the Bug-type still has so much room and potential for creative new designs, perhaps more then any other typing. My favorite has to be Galvantula, I played with it on my team on my first black playthrough and when I saw it had compoundeyes I put Thunder on it and had fun spamming it all the time.
    I hope and pray every week that Gamefreak will spend the next generation actually balancing/improving the types (Bug/Ice/Poison) and the older generation 'mons so they can keep up with the ever accelerating powercreep. Bugs need it more then most.

  • @patrickburton1401
    @patrickburton1401 8 місяців тому +1

    Golisopod hasn’t had the benefit of having HDB yet. Such a shame it’s one of the COOLEST designs with a sick move. First Impression and switch out isn’t viable with Stealth Rocks. Golisopod 50/50s would be wild with HDB.

  • @aquarsene1747
    @aquarsene1747 8 місяців тому

    Something else I should add is that in Gen 1, another quirk in the game is that if Slash actually does crit, it completely ignores the swords dance boosts you have, it plays off of your base attack as if you had never used Swords Dance. It’s tragic, because it makes what little utility could have come out of Pinsir even less useful in the long run

  • @Zeppongola
    @Zeppongola 8 місяців тому

    "I don't think Pinsir even gets a single bug-type attack [in gen 1]"
    Heck, even in gens 2 and 3 it only gets Fury Cutter (by TM). Gen 4 is Pinsir's Paradise, where it gets the massive upgrade of not only a viable stab in X-Scissor, but even a _support_ move in String Shot (by tutoring)! We're lucky it didn't get such groundbreaking buffs in gen 3, or Jim's favourite metagame would surely be unrecognisable

  • @Mr.Sax.
    @Mr.Sax. 8 місяців тому +10

    Bug should resist and be super effective against Fairy.
    Bug should be immune to confusion.
    Bug should resist Psychic.
    Bug should be the best type of them all.