I always wondered why Magcargo, who is clearly not a horse, was fighting for a position on the horse council. Then it clicked. High horsepower is needed to defeat his Fire/Rock rival Coalossal and bring an end to his harmful fossil fuel emissions. Magcargo is out there fighting for us, folks. The MudCargo alliance has my full support.
Can't believe you're upset with Coalossal! His best friend is Galarian weezing, known to stop harmful pollutants and it's not coalossal's fault, he evolved that way!
@@DabuddahGalarian Weezing's implementation of carbon capture is knowingly flawed and only serves to delay the implementation of solar power spread by the likes of Ninetales and Gruudon. Don't fall for the propaganda
fun to note that in the same gen gholdengo was added, mortal spin was also added as a third hazard removal move, which gholdengo ALSO blocks because of its steel typing. lol
Another reason why Mega Sableye was legal in USUM but not ORAS was because of the Mega speed change between the gens. In Gen 6, a Pokémon that Mega Evolves kept its base form's speed on the turn it Mega Evolved, even if the Mega had an ability that increased speed like Mega Swampert's Swift Swim. Sableye could use this in reverse: on the turn it Mega Evolved, the game would treat it like it still had Prankster, allowing it to fire off an increased-priority status move while also having Magic Bounce
Ghost is actually my favourite type! -^___^- Despite my nickname, fairy is actually second, tied with fairy-looking cute grass types, ehehe. Among ghost-types, my absolute favourite is Chandelure, which I see you also value as well, that's good! I mean, I'm talking mainly from looks and design here, I've actually not played as much competitive pokémon as you or many people around here, mainly because I suck a bit at it, but I still enjoy following meta developments for both Smogon and VGC, and watching battles and videos like yours! Keep up the good work, as well as your witty sense of humour ;D
Aegislash received a nerf to its bst. From having 150 in def/spdef in its shield form and 150 offence in sword form to 140 in each, which made it less bulky and less powerful. That's why it's not banned and not even OU proper.
You didn't hear it from me, but I hear that by buying off Horsea, Old Money seeks to get rid of all upstanding horses in the council so that none will oppose incuding the notorious criminal, Iron Fellow, into the horse council.
46:02 the removal of Pursuit was actually pretty bad for Aegislash because it itself loved using it, so it had that option taken away. Also it meant that Gengar, Blacephelon, and Dragapult were much harder to remove and as such were easier to get onto the field with choice items and switch them out. The advent of the Urshifu forms were also terrible news for Aegislash, as their Unseen Fist ability allowed them to completely bypass King's Shield (which had also been nerfed to only lower attack by 1 stage instead of 2), and Ushifu Dark especially was a hard counter as it's Wicked Blow always landed a Super Effective Critical Hit. Now that form did get banned, but Urshifu Water is still a big problem for it. The other nails in the coffin were its stat nerfs and the introduction of Heavy Duty Boots. The combination of those factors meant that Aegislash often missed out on what used to be 1hitKOs, and would often come up short instead. Plus a ton of fire types like Volcarona used boots, and turns out Aegislash really doesn't like Fire types. And lastly, Blacephelon exists in OU and is a far better at being a Ghost type sweeper due to it actually being fast and having a more useful secondary offensive STAB (as well as Dragapult). Blacephelon actually also outclassed Aegislash in UU in the time they were both in that tier together, as Boots meant that Stealth Rocks were no longer an option for dealing with Blacephelon.
46:02 You can consult False Swipe Gaming Aegislash's video for more info, but in short, it was mosly because of Mandibuzz becoming so prominent. The nerf to it's stats didn't helped either.
hisuian zoroark is epic. it's signature move lowers enemies attack. so if you trick them with your illusion and they have to switch; they most likely will not switch into a physical pokemon. i use it on ladder all the time with bitter malice and trick scarf/specs
It's mostly because of the metagame itself, yea aegislash lost 20 bst as an nerf, but effectively he lost 40, cause of his form change, to compare zacian an AG pokemon lost 20, so ofcourse he isn't that op anymore since he is now in rage of a lot of attacks and lost the upper hand agains a lot of pokemon,but pursuit being annihilaped let those pesky hyper offence ghost types just keep coming in blocking aegislash from doing it's job, and honestly, and gen 8 ou just has so many of aegislash counters, like the fire types that in the past would stay away from the hazard heavy ou, but now heavy duty boots let them go wild, and urshifu is allowed an natural counter to aegislash king shield reliant game play, and even pokemon that aegisash should counter have moves that threaten him like slowking galar that spam fire blast, because of the nerf plus the metagame aegislash is an kinda unreliable pokemon, most moves that it want to click are countered by bisharp, it can't switch in an attack and it just apply no preasure since the metagame is naturaly it's counter, and everything has knock offand spam it because of boots, and ferrothorn force clefable to run flamethrower, thats bad cause there are only 4 steel weak pokemon in ou, clefable, transitar, tapu lele and alolan ninetails, so half of those hut aegislash supereffectively and thats nice, tapu lele may use shadow ball but thats kinda niche, and your ghost stab is really nit threatening like blacephalon that has 53 HP and defence eats an uninvested shadow sneak and destroy aegislash back, and aegislash mostly want to use special attacks cause if he decides he is better than that ferrothorn kill him with iron barbs and rocky helmet, and if you use physical the set is prob iron head, shadow sneak, sacred sword and king shield, maybe CC, and flame body boots volcarona just take away your will to live, and if you desire to atleast ohko blace you must life orb 128 attack evs -atk nature, or just life orb if neutral atk nature, but if you want an neutral atk nature you must use an -speed but then clefable, blissey and magneton will outspeed you, not cool since mag traps you, and if you use special argis blissey is imune to sneak your mist common phys move, so thats fun, and ofcourse clefable deals atleast 64 if life orb 252 spatk só of you are chipped(very common cause it's steel stab is steel beam that takes away half of your hp) you are dead, but even if you are neutral speed knock off adamant tytar ohko you, so yea mostly your aegis will hit the opponent 1 to 2 times then die, steel beam is all it got since it's damage make up for the difficult using but most of the metagame resut it, amazing, if it run ghost moves tytar and bisharp will eat it, and it has no special coverage, other than stab he has normal, flying and eletric moves(60 BP shockwave not the best), it has the ghost and fighting coverage physicaly but it's strongest ghost move is shadow claw, so mostly he uses shadow sneak with the amazing 40 BP + priority reduces it's defences to 50, shadow claw is kinda useless since the ghost types will ohko you anyway, and he almost always must have king shield, unless you are choice, but if you are you must switch it out after every atk not cool, and he is an master of look like it has value but it don't, so aegislash can't even be called an match up fisher cause most of the time all matchup will be bad, but mostly what made him bad was really fire types using boots and strong ghosts being free of the jail.
They’ll never do it, but I desperately wish Dusknoir would get a buff with an ability that sets trick room upon entry to tie into his lore as a guide to the other side
Fighting/Ghost has a genuine argument to be made that it’s one of, if not the best typing in all of Pokémon. It’s the only typing in the game where both of your STABs aren’t resisted by any Pokémon, and only Normal/Ghost has immunities. The only other typing to ever have this distinction was Fire/Dragon before Gen 6, and unlike that typing, you hit seven types super effectively and have a very solid defensive matchup spread as well, including a Dark neutrality that most Ghost-Types would kill for, a Rock resistance which is always good with hazards being a thing, and as of Gen 6, an immunity to being trapped. I’m sure they could make a weaker Fighting/Ghost Pokémon if they wanted to, but the fact that they haven’t should tell you something. They specifically waited until as late as Gen 7 to unleash this type combination, and even then it’s been withheld to a Mythical Pokémon and an evolution of an earlier fully evolved Pokémon, showing that only the strongest Pokémon are deserving of this perfect offensive typing. Then again, Fire/Dragon also started out with two before getting… Turtunator immediately afterwards so anything’s possible.
Ghost might be a tad bit overtuned in modern generations, but that doesn't stop me from being a big fan of the ghost type. That being said, Flutter Mane is actually ridiculous and I haven't a clue how that thing got past testing.
Sinistcha really goes from good to great in competitive doubles. Its other ability, Hospitality, gives some healing to its ally when it switches in, and Matcha Gotcha hits *both* enemies, with the chance to burn either or both and getting the heal off of both. It's a terror to fight if you don't have a way to OHKO it. Talking of doubles, do you think you'll ever do any videos about the history of competitive doubles? It's a topic I'd really be interested in.
Ghost is honestly amazing in every generation. Gengar is the poster child of this type, and it is still good even now, despite losing levitate. In recent generations, we have been blessed with Dragapult, Flutter Mane, Basculegion and so on. With two immunities and decent overall strengths and weaknesses of this type, it's easy to see why so many ghost types found success in the competitive environment. For these reasons, Ghost type may be one of the most important reasons why having a Dark type is so valuable.
@@KrazyKyle-ij9vb Oh yeah, that one was big too! If Pursuit was still around, I don't think pokemon such as Dragapult would be as threatening as it is now.
fun fact: I played pokemon from Blue version onwards, and it took me until the Gen 4 physical/special split to learn that it didn't already work that way. I was always left very confused why my Jynx was hitting things stupid hard with ice punch of all things.
I'm pretty sure Aegislash was nerfed either going into generation 7 or Generation 8, I can't recall which. They changed how its signature move works and also cut base points.
Slash lost a few stats, wasn't much but adding the power creep it really affected it, began to rely a lot on swords dance + shadow sneak and OU was full of tapu leles, and as a ghost offensive option... Well, u know the dragon
I know i'm late, but something i always found interesting is... why they don't add the option to use pokémon with banned habilities directly without hability? For sure it would have some problems with Trace and such, but is not like there wasn't a way around it
No, that's Fairy. At least Ghosts are weak to the likes of the almost ubiquitous Knock Off, while Fairy-types resist it and are only weak to Steel and Poison moves, both of which are pretty much only run to combat them. Indeed, Fairy types were created to serve as a counter to Dragon types and to give Poison and Steel-types an offensive purpose. But by being immune to Dragon rather than just resistant, Fairy became the most OP type.
Most op type yea id agree, but i think ghost has alot of similarities to old dragon in it mostly being a neutral offensive type and hitting itself super effectively.
About Aegislash, it's multiple factors actually First, the base stat total nerf. Going from 150 on its notorious stats, to 140. Not the biggest nerf, but it heavily affects power and bulk. Second, King's Shield only lowers attack by 1 stage, and not 2 stages, so it's not as oppressive as it used to be. And finally, the existence of Urshifu, who doesn't care for Protect-like moves, and can wear down Aegislash with repeated Surging Strikes.
im sorry jimmy but i must remain unsubbed to express solidarity with the horsea loyalists. marcargo was only ever on the "horse" council due to technicality, and I can understand horsea's frustrations.
From what I recall, part of what happened to Aegislash in Gen 8 is it got hit with some nerfs. Its 150 defenses were reduced to 140 and King's Shield was nerfed to lower attack by 1 stage instead of 2. Additionally, it didn't help that Dragapult was everywhere. I'm a bit rusty with Gen 8 OU as well but I do remember the nerfs.
The issue wasn't wanting the complex ban, the issue was that the Tiering Policy council wouldn't allow the complex ban. The previous ban was you couldn't use cloak if the pokemon had another ability...which applied a ban to exactly cloak on exactly Mamoswine. The hope was just complexing cloak+warning would be okayed as a leglss complex alternative, this was not okayed. Froslass' place in the meta was also nearly non-existent, the prior 3 spls, as well are Jirachee Invitational had seen a total of 6 froslass appearances, in hundreds of games. It's unfortunate how it played out, but froslass was hardly the loss many make it out to be.
Aegislash's nerfs seemed to meaningfully compound on each other. It lost effectively 40 BST and king's shield only being a -1 to attack gave physical attackers much better odds of actually harming Aegislash. If you look at the current viability rankings for SS, Dragapult, Weavile, and Heatran are rated the best Pokemon in the tier, that's pretty bad for Aegislash. Knock Off is just everywhere now. Urshifu Rapid-Strike goes past King's Shield. Its most preferred moveset in Gen 8 was actually forgoing King's Shield in favor of choice band or choice specs since it got Close Combat and Steel Beam. I still think its Toxic defensive set is the best though and probably underrated. It can still be basically checkmate in the right position, and Aegislash with a good predictive player is so much better than it is on average. In my opinion, Gen 8 is a deceptively powerful and centralized metagame. In some ways Gen 7 felt more powerful since there were Megas and Z moves and the whole Pokedex, but the pool that does exist in Gen 8 fits into a weird space where the most balanced, "safe" Pokemon do everything better than the alternatives. The current Gen is less centralized just because there are so many broken mons that no team can cover everything which means off-meta picks work more often in a matchup fish. At least it did prior to Crown Tundra DLC, I haven't played OU much since then.
Normal and Psychic are two of the best Types in the generation depending on your perspective. Psychic has more broken things going on in its favor, and more Pokémon to pick from, whereas Normal has more moves and stronger individual Pokémon. Imagine you’re the coach of a sports team, and you’re given a choice between having three really good players (Normal) or a really deep roster but not one particular standout player (Psychic). Which would you pick? 😁
Shadow Tag is so broken that Mega Gengar didnt even use its special attack. high speed with protect, sub, preish song and destiny bond is basically guaranteed to trade 2-1 with anything it wants.
that's a viable set, but sets with at least one attack are equally as good. both ways work. it's hilarious though because Mega Gengar being a trapper that's not dogshit outside of trapping gives it multiple OPTIONS on how to trap stuff, which is nuts
Last Respects can also achieve 350 or more base power with the power of Revival Blessing. It caps out at an immense 5050 power if you can find a way to consistently revive your Pokemon.
I never trusted Horsea ever since it threatened to one-shot Magcargo. This should simply not be possible, Magcargo is an extremely powerful pokemon and wouldn't be threatened by the likes of Horsea. Some variety of foul play must clearly be afoot.
Not really relevant to singles but the most hilarious part about Good as Gold is that it stops status moves from allies as well, so it can't benefit from moves like Helping Hand or Heal Pulse. At least it doesn't stop status moves not targeting Ghold, so moves like Tailwind or Trick Room are not affected, but it's funny because Helping Hand + Make It Rain would be scary if it was a thing.
Hopefully the Linoone Legion will travel unharmed towards the Horse Council region borders. Perhaps they could use the assistance of Corsola, a moderately bulky Water/Rock type, to withstand any wayward Normal-type attacks that may potentially threaten Linoone and his associates. Thank you.
Mr. Cool, You recently had fellow UA-camr BKC, short for Blaze Kevin Chicken, on your hit podcast “The Fridge with Jimothy Cool.” Mr. Chicken is a well known Hariyama Truther. Do you share his love of the mountain man Pokémon? Is Hariyama a horse? And what sort of dastardly tricks is Iron Mugulis up to while the Horse Council is in the spotlight? Day 2
Aegislash actually received a nerf going into Generation 8 where its signature move King's Shield lowered Attack by 1 instead of 2. On top of that, Aegislash lost 20 stat points making it nowhere near as brutal as before. Btw Linoone Legion ftw.
Aegislash in gen 8 got its defense stats nerfed by 10 each which removes a ton of its one hit kills in the damage calculations. It basically turns it into a sitting duck after hitting the enemy. It’s still pretty great but it’s definitely worse
Might be wrong, but I think they took some base stats off Aegislash at some point which was enough to cause it to fall out of favour between generations
I personally doubt Dragapult in particular will that be that much affected by the presence of Pursuit. Sure, Ttar being able to show up and Pursuit it can be annoying, but if the Lati twins in Gens 4 & 5 have shown me, is that if you are speedy offensive threat with set diversity out of the wazoo, then you aren't that annoyed. Pult even has counterplay options the Lati twins lacks, namely the option to U-turn out of the impending switch to Ttar, or even cripple it with Will-O-Wisp. The mon, fun fact, is banned in both Gen 8 & 9 NatDex, because Ghostium Z made its physical sets hilariously overpowered, and remember that Pursuit is in that tier.
@@goGothitaLOL Gambit got banned before Pult. As a matter of fact, the reason why Pult didn't get banned immediately like in Gen 8 NatDex was because Gambit barely kept it in check. However when Gambit got banned, Pult pretty much followed immediately afterwards.
I don't whether you realise this Jimothy, but your videos are truly appreciated by myself and many others and we can't wait to hear how the rest of the types have matched up throughout competitive history ❤
Aegislash got nerfed: the stats were dropped from 150 to 140 and king shield drop drop from -2 to -1. Other then that powercreep is always a thing and dragapult was the main ghost type of the format.
46:08 Aegislash had been nerfed in gen 8, with the nerf of King's Shield lowering attack only by 1 stage if I remember correctly, and losing 10 base stats in its defenses (and technically its offenses too), so it hits a lot less harder, and gets hit harder too Weavile being so good in gen 8 and Dragapult's existence were the last nails in the coffin
I think there are fewer ghost types in OU because game freak has a tendency to make ghost types either really strong or very middling. so any ghost type that gets pretty strong goes to Ubers pretty quickly. consider: Marshadow, Annihilape, pre-nerf Aegislash, Flutter Mane, etc. what's left over are ghost types that actually have only decent stat distributions but good abilities. furthermore, Dark type is kind of the king of OU, not in terms of pokemon type, but in terms of pokemon moves. Knock off, sucker punch, pre-gen 8 pursuit. knock off is basically an S tier move, along with hazard moves, hazard removal moves, and switch moves. so any dark or bug weak pokemon find it hard to land in OU in general, while pokemon strong enough to deal with these things often end up quite a bit stronger than the competition around them.
My favourite wack use of Mega Banette was to skill swap with Xurkitree in doubles and then use nuclear Nature Power with priority. Tail Glow on turn 1, Skill Swap either turn 1 or 2 depending on the situation(tree gets priority either way). Banette then usually gets out into a Tapu to set terrain for STAB, but it can still do big priority damage with Sucker Punch and Shadow Sneak to double up on nuclear-powered priority with its attack stat, and fill in the support gaps with stuff like Taunt, WoW or Helping Hand. Fun thing about that is that you get effectively Moxie Mega Banette with the Beast Boost on it, so if you find the right Sucker to Punch, it'll run away just as much as Xurkitree. Also, Gholdengo is immune to both Rapid Spin and newly introduced Mortal Spin.
Ghost is weird. If I just look at the avaiable Ghost Types who are competetive viable in the different OU Metas, its actually just Gengar and Friend. By just diversity, Ghost is in the bottom Six of all Types. But it has very valuable Attributes, what made them very viable, and popular, so its hard to call them bad.
Re: Gen 8 Aegislash King's Shield direct nerf to only do -1 Atk 150 Base Stats nerfed to 140 Unseen Fist Urshifu Competition with Dragapult and Corsola-G
I really wish pursuit or the like would come back, it would immediately put pokemon like gholdengo back into their place - at this point they feel so centralising and why does make it rain only drop stats by one?
I just read on PokeLeaks that Horsea tried to disable high horsepower for all fire types, in order to deny Magcargo a place on the horse council. Hearing this, ponyta has now declared open support to magcargo and started a vote of distrust on horsea to ban it from the horse counsil, since it does not even have a high horsepower itself
I think that Night Shade should still hit Normal Types. It just feels cooler that way and when your Gastly or whatever finally learns it for better damage it just doesn't work on a large portion of Pokémon you find in those points of the games.
For Aeglislash I believe it was a drop in it's offense/defense by 10 in both stats - this meant it was missing certain key targets + king's shield was nerfed
Gholdengo, by virtue of being a steel type, is also immune to the Poison type hazard clearing move Mortal Spin, unless the Pokemon using the move has the Corrosion ability (Usually a Glimmet / Glimmora).
I always wondered why Magcargo, who is clearly not a horse, was fighting for a position on the horse council. Then it clicked. High horsepower is needed to defeat his Fire/Rock rival Coalossal and bring an end to his harmful fossil fuel emissions. Magcargo is out there fighting for us, folks. The MudCargo alliance has my full support.
Mudsdale is my favorite Pokemon, so I stand firmly with the MudCargo alliance ❤
Magcargo is quite obviously a horse. What gibberish are you yappin' about!
City Council isn't membered by cities, it is membered by people. I never understood why the horse council would have to be membered by horses.
Can't believe you're upset with Coalossal! His best friend is Galarian weezing, known to stop harmful pollutants and it's not coalossal's fault, he evolved that way!
@@DabuddahGalarian Weezing's implementation of carbon capture is knowingly flawed and only serves to delay the implementation of solar power spread by the likes of Ninetales and Gruudon. Don't fall for the propaganda
fun to note that in the same gen gholdengo was added, mortal spin was also added as a third hazard removal move, which gholdengo ALSO blocks because of its steel typing. lol
Another reason why Mega Sableye was legal in USUM but not ORAS was because of the Mega speed change between the gens. In Gen 6, a Pokémon that Mega Evolves kept its base form's speed on the turn it Mega Evolved, even if the Mega had an ability that increased speed like Mega Swampert's Swift Swim. Sableye could use this in reverse: on the turn it Mega Evolved, the game would treat it like it still had Prankster, allowing it to fire off an increased-priority status move while also having Magic Bounce
But that was actually changed in ORAS, not in gen 7.
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@@Moakmeister no it wasn't
@@kadabraguy9846 you’re right. Faulty memory strikes again.
Ghost is actually my favourite type! -^___^- Despite my nickname, fairy is actually second, tied with fairy-looking cute grass types, ehehe. Among ghost-types, my absolute favourite is Chandelure, which I see you also value as well, that's good! I mean, I'm talking mainly from looks and design here, I've actually not played as much competitive pokémon as you or many people around here, mainly because I suck a bit at it, but I still enjoy following meta developments for both Smogon and VGC, and watching battles and videos like yours! Keep up the good work, as well as your witty sense of humour ;D
Annihilape is similar in bulk to Amoonguss, which is insane.
it’s bulkier than reuniclus and has triple the base speed. granted reuni has two god tier defensive abilities but the point stands
@@timothylawrence8929trick room: (actually not great bc it takes a turn to set up but..)
Aegislash received a nerf to its bst. From having 150 in def/spdef in its shield form and 150 offence in sword form to 140 in each, which made it less bulky and less powerful. That's why it's not banned and not even OU proper.
King’s Shield was also nerfed to not -2 attack anymore.
@@TheGuyWhoIsSitting yep, also Urshifu
bruh look how they massacred mah boi
Damn we live in a world were having base 140 in all your defenses and attack is not enough to make you OU, the meta has fallen
whoa big fan
You didn't hear it from me, but I hear that by buying off Horsea, Old Money seeks to get rid of all upstanding horses in the council so that none will oppose incuding the notorious criminal, Iron Fellow, into the horse council.
This story feverly lacks updates on iron fellow
This bodes ominously for Ariados’s hopes to regain its ancient claim to the council.
I get chills even just hearing the name iron fellow, a truly sinister being
46:02 the removal of Pursuit was actually pretty bad for Aegislash because it itself loved using it, so it had that option taken away. Also it meant that Gengar, Blacephelon, and Dragapult were much harder to remove and as such were easier to get onto the field with choice items and switch them out.
The advent of the Urshifu forms were also terrible news for Aegislash, as their Unseen Fist ability allowed them to completely bypass King's Shield (which had also been nerfed to only lower attack by 1 stage instead of 2), and Ushifu Dark especially was a hard counter as it's Wicked Blow always landed a Super Effective Critical Hit. Now that form did get banned, but Urshifu Water is still a big problem for it.
The other nails in the coffin were its stat nerfs and the introduction of Heavy Duty Boots. The combination of those factors meant that Aegislash often missed out on what used to be 1hitKOs, and would often come up short instead. Plus a ton of fire types like Volcarona used boots, and turns out Aegislash really doesn't like Fire types.
And lastly, Blacephelon exists in OU and is a far better at being a Ghost type sweeper due to it actually being fast and having a more useful secondary offensive STAB (as well as Dragapult). Blacephelon actually also outclassed Aegislash in UU in the time they were both in that tier together, as Boots meant that Stealth Rocks were no longer an option for dealing with Blacephelon.
46:02
You can consult False Swipe Gaming Aegislash's video for more info, but in short, it was mosly because of Mandibuzz becoming so prominent. The nerf to it's stats didn't helped either.
Dragapult, Ttar, Lando and Heatran being everywhere didn't help in the slightest
So I thought the VO during videos was chopped up in post and stitched together, but nope that's just his cadence lol
Ghost types are pretty good in competitive Pokemon, but I never use them because they're too scary
hisuian zoroark is epic. it's signature move lowers enemies attack. so if you trick them with your illusion and they have to switch; they most likely will not switch into a physical pokemon. i use it on ladder all the time with bitter malice and trick scarf/specs
It's mostly because of the metagame itself, yea aegislash lost 20 bst as an nerf, but effectively he lost 40, cause of his form change, to compare zacian an AG pokemon lost 20, so ofcourse he isn't that op anymore since he is now in rage of a lot of attacks and lost the upper hand agains a lot of pokemon,but pursuit being annihilaped let those pesky hyper offence ghost types just keep coming in blocking aegislash from doing it's job, and honestly, and gen 8 ou just has so many of aegislash counters, like the fire types that in the past would stay away from the hazard heavy ou, but now heavy duty boots let them go wild, and urshifu is allowed an natural counter to aegislash king shield reliant game play, and even pokemon that aegisash should counter have moves that threaten him like slowking galar that spam fire blast, because of the nerf plus the metagame aegislash is an kinda unreliable pokemon, most moves that it want to click are countered by bisharp, it can't switch in an attack and it just apply no preasure since the metagame is naturaly it's counter, and everything has knock offand spam it because of boots, and ferrothorn force clefable to run flamethrower, thats bad cause there are only 4 steel weak pokemon in ou, clefable, transitar, tapu lele and alolan ninetails, so half of those hut aegislash supereffectively and thats nice, tapu lele may use shadow ball but thats kinda niche, and your ghost stab is really nit threatening like blacephalon that has 53 HP and defence eats an uninvested shadow sneak and destroy aegislash back, and aegislash mostly want to use special attacks cause if he decides he is better than that ferrothorn kill him with iron barbs and rocky helmet, and if you use physical the set is prob iron head, shadow sneak, sacred sword and king shield, maybe CC, and flame body boots volcarona just take away your will to live, and if you desire to atleast ohko blace you must life orb 128 attack evs -atk nature, or just life orb if neutral atk nature, but if you want an neutral atk nature you must use an -speed but then clefable, blissey and magneton will outspeed you, not cool since mag traps you, and if you use special argis blissey is imune to sneak your mist common phys move, so thats fun, and ofcourse clefable deals atleast 64 if life orb 252 spatk só of you are chipped(very common cause it's steel stab is steel beam that takes away half of your hp) you are dead, but even if you are neutral speed knock off adamant tytar ohko you, so yea mostly your aegis will hit the opponent 1 to 2 times then die, steel beam is all it got since it's damage make up for the difficult using but most of the metagame resut it, amazing, if it run ghost moves tytar and bisharp will eat it, and it has no special coverage, other than stab he has normal, flying and eletric moves(60 BP shockwave not the best), it has the ghost and fighting coverage physicaly but it's strongest ghost move is shadow claw, so mostly he uses shadow sneak with the amazing 40 BP + priority reduces it's defences to 50, shadow claw is kinda useless since the ghost types will ohko you anyway, and he almost always must have king shield, unless you are choice, but if you are you must switch it out after every atk not cool, and he is an master of look like it has value but it don't, so aegislash can't even be called an match up fisher cause most of the time all matchup will be bad, but mostly what made him bad was really fire types using boots and strong ghosts being free of the jail.
I might read all of this
Zacian didn't fall into range of any attacks due to the nerf- the 20 BST it lost going into Gen 9 was Phys. Atk. It has the same bulk.
@@furiouscorgi6614 i'm talking about aegislash, in gen 7 an -atk non invested aegislash shadow sneak could ohko blacephalon for an example
This was an insane single sentence but it’s based
Zacian is still OP due to the typing and it's attack with that boost is still wild.
Gengar not having levitate makes more sense when taking mega-evolution, dynamax, or gigantamax into consideration
Take a shot if you hear: Gengar, Persuit, Tyrannitar, Shadow Ball
Leaving a comment on this so my family knows who to blame when they find me after this
They’ll never do it, but I desperately wish Dusknoir would get a buff with an ability that sets trick room upon entry to tie into his lore as a guide to the other side
Fighting/Ghost has a genuine argument to be made that it’s one of, if not the best typing in all of Pokémon. It’s the only typing in the game where both of your STABs aren’t resisted by any Pokémon, and only Normal/Ghost has immunities. The only other typing to ever have this distinction was Fire/Dragon before Gen 6, and unlike that typing, you hit seven types super effectively and have a very solid defensive matchup spread as well, including a Dark neutrality that most Ghost-Types would kill for, a Rock resistance which is always good with hazards being a thing, and as of Gen 6, an immunity to being trapped. I’m sure they could make a weaker Fighting/Ghost Pokémon if they wanted to, but the fact that they haven’t should tell you something. They specifically waited until as late as Gen 7 to unleash this type combination, and even then it’s been withheld to a Mythical Pokémon and an evolution of an earlier fully evolved Pokémon, showing that only the strongest Pokémon are deserving of this perfect offensive typing.
Then again, Fire/Dragon also started out with two before getting… Turtunator immediately afterwards so anything’s possible.
Really apreciate the DKC2 soundtrack choice
Never forget Gengar lost levitate before Carnivine.
Ghost might be a tad bit overtuned in modern generations, but that doesn't stop me from being a big fan of the ghost type.
That being said, Flutter Mane is actually ridiculous and I haven't a clue how that thing got past testing.
Call me crazy, but am I the only one who finds the way that Jim says Claydoll very satisfying?
Nah, I really like how he pronounce some Pokémon names, it's rather satisfying
I like how he says "battlepass"
Haven't played Pokemon since Gameboy. I did sub for the horse bit tho
Sinistcha really goes from good to great in competitive doubles. Its other ability, Hospitality, gives some healing to its ally when it switches in, and Matcha Gotcha hits *both* enemies, with the chance to burn either or both and getting the heal off of both. It's a terror to fight if you don't have a way to OHKO it.
Talking of doubles, do you think you'll ever do any videos about the history of competitive doubles? It's a topic I'd really be interested in.
I wish you talked about about Pokemon from ubers in in these videos.
Out here with the realest Ghost type analysis.
Ghost is honestly amazing in every generation. Gengar is the poster child of this type, and it is still good even now, despite losing levitate. In recent generations, we have been blessed with Dragapult, Flutter Mane, Basculegion and so on. With two immunities and decent overall strengths and weaknesses of this type, it's easy to see why so many ghost types found success in the competitive environment. For these reasons, Ghost type may be one of the most important reasons why having a Dark type is so valuable.
Pursuit was also taken out of the game because Arceus has abandoned us, and I think that made Ghost even better
@@KrazyKyle-ij9vb Oh yeah, that one was big too! If Pursuit was still around, I don't think pokemon such as Dragapult would be as threatening as it is now.
@@MaxBurnHeart would we really want kingambit to be even more threatening than it is now though?
Perhaps a bad take but I think they should remove it’s Bug resist and have Bug resist Ghost instead.
Gengar losing levitate was a crime.
fun fact: I played pokemon from Blue version onwards, and it took me until the Gen 4 physical/special split to learn that it didn't already work that way. I was always left very confused why my Jynx was hitting things stupid hard with ice punch of all things.
Ghost has been among the best types in Pokémon, ever since the first generation.
I'm pretty sure Aegislash was nerfed either going into generation 7 or Generation 8, I can't recall which. They changed how its signature move works and also cut base points.
Dugtrio trapped me in a parking lot, but thankfully once it killed me I became a Ghost type and was no longer trapped
How good was gengar really? The ghost type theorem.
Slash lost a few stats, wasn't much but adding the power creep it really affected it, began to rely a lot on swords dance + shadow sneak and OU was full of tapu leles, and as a ghost offensive option... Well, u know the dragon
I know i'm late, but something i always found interesting is... why they don't add the option to use pokémon with banned habilities directly without hability? For sure it would have some problems with Trace and such, but is not like there wasn't a way around it
Ghost imo is the modern day dragon. Hits almost everything for neutral and fantastic defensive utility too.
No, that's Fairy. At least Ghosts are weak to the likes of the almost ubiquitous Knock Off, while Fairy-types resist it and are only weak to Steel and Poison moves, both of which are pretty much only run to combat them.
Indeed, Fairy types were created to serve as a counter to Dragon types and to give Poison and Steel-types an offensive purpose. But by being immune to Dragon rather than just resistant, Fairy became the most OP type.
Most op type yea id agree, but i think ghost has alot of similarities to old dragon in it mostly being a neutral offensive type and hitting itself super effectively.
Hits itself super-effectively like Dragon too
Yeah it's very similar but there isn't a Draco meteor type ghost move. We aren't seeing teams of 5 ghosts like we used to see with drag mag teams
@@ryanmahon1 I for one don't want to see Spectrier, Flutter Mane, Dragapult and Gholdengo with a stronger Ghost STAB.
yknow what, he might be laughably strong, but I like Gholdengo. He looks just like a mascot for a canned pasta company.
I use Reflect and Light Screen to give the Linoone Legion time to use Belly Drum!
About Aegislash, it's multiple factors actually
First, the base stat total nerf. Going from 150 on its notorious stats, to 140. Not the biggest nerf, but it heavily affects power and bulk.
Second, King's Shield only lowers attack by 1 stage, and not 2 stages, so it's not as oppressive as it used to be.
And finally, the existence of Urshifu, who doesn't care for Protect-like moves, and can wear down Aegislash with repeated Surging Strikes.
Missed opportunity to talk about your "Banalysis." 😆
my favorite ghost is a tragedy, poor Dusknoir, the CAP has a pokémon that works like I dream dusknoir should with revenankh
in gen iv mismagius was an important option for all the folks who couldn't evolve their haunters
You’ve got some nerve talking about Polteageist in this video considering it’s bloodlines transgressions…
‘anti-sweeper technology’
im sorry jimmy but i must remain unsubbed to express solidarity with the horsea loyalists. marcargo was only ever on the "horse" council due to technicality, and I can understand horsea's frustrations.
25:42 Ice Punch Dusknoir lesgo 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Rapid Spin
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From what I recall, part of what happened to Aegislash in Gen 8 is it got hit with some nerfs. Its 150 defenses were reduced to 140 and King's Shield was nerfed to lower attack by 1 stage instead of 2. Additionally, it didn't help that Dragapult was everywhere. I'm a bit rusty with Gen 8 OU as well but I do remember the nerfs.
The issue wasn't wanting the complex ban, the issue was that the Tiering Policy council wouldn't allow the complex ban. The previous ban was you couldn't use cloak if the pokemon had another ability...which applied a ban to exactly cloak on exactly Mamoswine. The hope was just complexing cloak+warning would be okayed as a leglss complex alternative, this was not okayed. Froslass' place in the meta was also nearly non-existent, the prior 3 spls, as well are Jirachee Invitational had seen a total of 6 froslass appearances, in hundreds of games. It's unfortunate how it played out, but froslass was hardly the loss many make it out to be.
I will never sub, just so jim has to continue his story lines.
Mimikyu :)
I would try to spin a witty comment, but Gengar is currently spinblocking my thoughts.
give me levitate back
I wish bro
be thankful tyranitar isn't there to whip you with Pursuit
@@hario7641 focus blast go boom
@@timovos5371 that crap ain't hittin
Yop that was a cringe choice
Aegislash's nerfs seemed to meaningfully compound on each other. It lost effectively 40 BST and king's shield only being a -1 to attack gave physical attackers much better odds of actually harming Aegislash. If you look at the current viability rankings for SS, Dragapult, Weavile, and Heatran are rated the best Pokemon in the tier, that's pretty bad for Aegislash. Knock Off is just everywhere now. Urshifu Rapid-Strike goes past King's Shield.
Its most preferred moveset in Gen 8 was actually forgoing King's Shield in favor of choice band or choice specs since it got Close Combat and Steel Beam. I still think its Toxic defensive set is the best though and probably underrated. It can still be basically checkmate in the right position, and Aegislash with a good predictive player is so much better than it is on average.
In my opinion, Gen 8 is a deceptively powerful and centralized metagame. In some ways Gen 7 felt more powerful since there were Megas and Z moves and the whole Pokedex, but the pool that does exist in Gen 8 fits into a weird space where the most balanced, "safe" Pokemon do everything better than the alternatives. The current Gen is less centralized just because there are so many broken mons that no team can cover everything which means off-meta picks work more often in a matchup fish. At least it did prior to Crown Tundra DLC, I haven't played OU much since then.
Normal type is the best in gen 1? Better than psychic? 🤨
Normal and Psychic are two of the best Types in the generation depending on your perspective. Psychic has more broken things going on in its favor, and more Pokémon to pick from, whereas Normal has more moves and stronger individual Pokémon. Imagine you’re the coach of a sports team, and you’re given a choice between having three really good players (Normal) or a really deep roster but not one particular standout player (Psychic). Which would you pick? 😁
Shadow Tag is so broken that Mega Gengar didnt even use its special attack. high speed with protect, sub, preish song and destiny bond is basically guaranteed to trade 2-1 with anything it wants.
that's a viable set, but sets with at least one attack are equally as good. both ways work.
it's hilarious though because Mega Gengar being a trapper that's not dogshit outside of trapping gives it multiple OPTIONS on how to trap stuff, which is nuts
Part of me things pursuit’s removal has boosted ghost types too much.
But knock off ahouod never have received the massive BP increase
Last Respects can also achieve 350 or more base power with the power of Revival Blessing. It caps out at an immense 5050 power if you can find a way to consistently revive your Pokemon.
39:00 it was probably changed to probably make it harder for Mega Gengar to get onto the field
I never trusted Horsea ever since it threatened to one-shot Magcargo. This should simply not be possible, Magcargo is an extremely powerful pokemon and wouldn't be threatened by the likes of Horsea. Some variety of foul play must clearly be afoot.
Not really relevant to singles but the most hilarious part about Good as Gold is that it stops status moves from allies as well, so it can't benefit from moves like Helping Hand or Heal Pulse. At least it doesn't stop status moves not targeting Ghold, so moves like Tailwind or Trick Room are not affected, but it's funny because Helping Hand + Make It Rain would be scary if it was a thing.
Hopefully the Linoone Legion will travel unharmed towards the Horse Council region borders. Perhaps they could use the assistance of Corsola, a moderately bulky Water/Rock type, to withstand any wayward Normal-type attacks that may potentially threaten Linoone and his associates. Thank you.
Hey doesny gen 5 drill have to run mold breaker? So rotom would be very bad against it actually
Usually runs Sand Force
Mr. Cool, You recently had fellow UA-camr BKC, short for Blaze Kevin Chicken, on your hit podcast “The Fridge with Jimothy Cool.” Mr. Chicken is a well known Hariyama Truther. Do you share his love of the mountain man Pokémon? Is Hariyama a horse? And what sort of dastardly tricks is Iron Mugulis up to while the Horse Council is in the spotlight?
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Aegislash actually received a nerf going into Generation 8 where its signature move King's Shield lowered Attack by 1 instead of 2. On top of that, Aegislash lost 20 stat points making it nowhere near as brutal as before.
Btw Linoone Legion ftw.
Steel shouldn't have lost its Ghost Resistance, IMO
Aegislash in gen 8 got its defense stats nerfed by 10 each which removes a ton of its one hit kills in the damage calculations. It basically turns it into a sitting duck after hitting the enemy. It’s still pretty great but it’s definitely worse
Might be wrong, but I think they took some base stats off Aegislash at some point which was enough to cause it to fall out of favour between generations
45:55 yup
Why wouldnt ceraledge use tera grass?
I personally doubt Dragapult in particular will that be that much affected by the presence of Pursuit. Sure, Ttar being able to show up and Pursuit it can be annoying, but if the Lati twins in Gens 4 & 5 have shown me, is that if you are speedy offensive threat with set diversity out of the wazoo, then you aren't that annoyed. Pult even has counterplay options the Lati twins lacks, namely the option to U-turn out of the impending switch to Ttar, or even cripple it with Will-O-Wisp.
The mon, fun fact, is banned in both Gen 8 & 9 NatDex, because Ghostium Z made its physical sets hilariously overpowered, and remember that Pursuit is in that tier.
Pursuit and Knock Off also got Kingambit banned, sometime later after Pult
@@goGothitaLOL Gambit got banned before Pult. As a matter of fact, the reason why Pult didn't get banned immediately like in Gen 8 NatDex was because Gambit barely kept it in check. However when Gambit got banned, Pult pretty much followed immediately afterwards.
I want whatever Game Freak was smoking when they decided to remove Pursuit
Tbf I feel like removing pursuit was fine, but it happened way too late after ghost already got buffed (Namely the steel matchup)
I don't whether you realise this Jimothy, but your videos are truly appreciated by myself and many others and we can't wait to hear how the rest of the types have matched up throughout competitive history ❤
Music at 1:43 pls?
Linoone legion Stan here
hisui typh? or maybe i was blind
jim shedinja dosent get sd + baton pass in gen 3
Uhh did you skip over drifblim?
Poison type might have been helpful for gengar in later gens, but i can only imagine how good it would be, in gen 1 if it was pure ghost.
just wait until next gen when they give dragapult poltergeist and itemless clefable is at 30% usage
Aegislash got nerfed: the stats were dropped from 150 to 140 and king shield drop drop from -2 to -1. Other then that powercreep is always a thing and dragapult was the main ghost type of the format.
I love shorts, I wear them all the time!
46:08 Aegislash had been nerfed in gen 8, with the nerf of King's Shield lowering attack only by 1 stage if I remember correctly, and losing 10 base stats in its defenses (and technically its offenses too), so it hits a lot less harder, and gets hit harder too
Weavile being so good in gen 8 and Dragapult's existence were the last nails in the coffin
Started with Gengar. Stays with Gengar
I think there are fewer ghost types in OU because game freak has a tendency to make ghost types either really strong or very middling. so any ghost type that gets pretty strong goes to Ubers pretty quickly.
consider: Marshadow, Annihilape, pre-nerf Aegislash, Flutter Mane, etc.
what's left over are ghost types that actually have only decent stat distributions but good abilities.
furthermore, Dark type is kind of the king of OU, not in terms of pokemon type, but in terms of pokemon moves. Knock off, sucker punch, pre-gen 8 pursuit. knock off is basically an S tier move, along with hazard moves, hazard removal moves, and switch moves. so any dark or bug weak pokemon find it hard to land in OU in general, while pokemon strong enough to deal with these things often end up quite a bit stronger than the competition around them.
My favourite wack use of Mega Banette was to skill swap with Xurkitree in doubles and then use nuclear Nature Power with priority. Tail Glow on turn 1, Skill Swap either turn 1 or 2 depending on the situation(tree gets priority either way). Banette then usually gets out into a Tapu to set terrain for STAB, but it can still do big priority damage with Sucker Punch and Shadow Sneak to double up on nuclear-powered priority with its attack stat, and fill in the support gaps with stuff like Taunt, WoW or Helping Hand. Fun thing about that is that you get effectively Moxie Mega Banette with the Beast Boost on it, so if you find the right Sucker to Punch, it'll run away just as much as Xurkitree.
Also, Gholdengo is immune to both Rapid Spin and newly introduced Mortal Spin.
Jimothy Cool is risking being haunted by spooky Ghosts in order to provide this video to all of us. This is insane.
Ghost is weird. If I just look at the avaiable Ghost Types who are competetive viable in the different OU Metas, its actually just Gengar and Friend.
By just diversity, Ghost is in the bottom Six of all Types. But it has very valuable Attributes, what made them very viable, and popular, so its hard to call them bad.
Re: Gen 8 Aegislash
King's Shield direct nerf to only do -1 Atk
150 Base Stats nerfed to 140
Unseen Fist Urshifu
Competition with Dragapult and Corsola-G
Ghost types are garbage,use dark if you can.
I really wish pursuit or the like would come back, it would immediately put pokemon like gholdengo back into their place - at this point they feel so centralising
and why does make it rain only drop stats by one?
Jimothy Cool Thank You
Gen 8 Aegislash was one of the only times they actually outright just nerfed a Pokemon's base stats in between generations iirc
I think you forgot to mention a certain horse like fire type when talking about Gengars gen 3 ou will o wisp immunities
I just read on PokeLeaks that Horsea tried to disable high horsepower for all fire types, in order to deny Magcargo a place on the horse council. Hearing this, ponyta has now declared open support to magcargo and started a vote of distrust on horsea to ban it from the horse counsil, since it does not even have a high horsepower itself
51:22-51:55. Never stop being you Jimothy 😂😂😂
I think that Night Shade should still hit Normal Types. It just feels cooler that way and when your Gastly or whatever finally learns it for better damage it just doesn't work on a large portion of Pokémon you find in those points of the games.
For Aeglislash I believe it was a drop in it's offense/defense by 10 in both stats - this meant it was missing certain key targets + king's shield was nerfed
Gholdengo, by virtue of being a steel type, is also immune to the Poison type hazard clearing move Mortal Spin, unless the Pokemon using the move has the Corrosion ability (Usually a Glimmet / Glimmora).
I love the way Jim uses the word Gaming
Thanks!
Weavile and Chien Pao will be the highlight of the Ice type and Dark type video
Alright. Alright, fine. Im invested in the mudcargo alliance. You got me.