Meganium is highly underrated. It's not amazing, but it's not bad--Johto is just hostile to grass types. It does fairly well in Hoenn and is decent in Orre. People saying it's bad mostly haven't done much thinking outside the box of Johto.
@@benjystrauss2524no, Meganium is truly at the bottom of the bottom in any gen it's in. The best thing it can do is use Light Screen and Leech Seed, which is so bad on a pure grass type. It's truly unfortunate how it terrible it is
@@13kevyaga31 What it sounds like you don't know how to use Meganium properly. While it's more difficult to use it in older generations and without Leech Seed (if you don't have access to the egg move), the trick with Meganium is knowing how and when to use it). Meganium is very hard to one-shot, and it often 3-4 hit KOed, which is enough time to put out a Leech Seed, screen, and heal up with Giga Drain or Synthesis. The only issue Meganium really has is coverage, but still you can Body Slam Earthquake or in some romhacks, moonblast. (Ancientpower's pp is usually too low to be effective). The only other real coverage you have is iron tail (ew) and hidden power. Still, it tends to get its job done, provided its being used correctly. I've found that most starter Pokémon are pretty solid. Meganium is no exception.
Gholdengo is a Pokemon made of pure gold. He must have done some online business management courses to accumulate all that wealth. Or perhaps he might want to learn how to make money playing video games on UA-cam. In any case, he's a powerful metagame force, with absolutely no interest in online game development schools.
Scream Tail is the Jigglypuff of our wildest dreams. It has been buffed with some higher statistics and the incredible ability, Protosynthesis. Gen 9 Competitive Pokemon wouldn't be the same without this powerful pink blob. He kinda looks like someone I met in one of my game design and development courses.
One of the best parts of this video is one of the negatives of Hisui Typhlosion he mentioned we have a few fire ghost types now, and then a positive to Skeledirge was that it had a “unique type”.
Over 10 years later, having let Emboar simmer and letting the overexposure of fire/fighting types being washed down by new interesting type combos. I've started to grow quite fond of it. While its predecessors are clearly superior competitive-wise, I personally enjoy using Emboar so much more. Infernape and Blaziken embody the mixed attacking glass cannon roles, which isn't bad, but there's just so many other Pokemon of that archetype. Emboar fully embodies what a Fire/Fighting type should be. Pure offensive power, no matter the cost. The damage potential Emboar carries is insane and made it incredibly fun to use against stall teams in gen 6. Getting it in safely was a challenge at times, but once it's in against even bulky waters, it was always gonna delete something while potentially deleting itself through all the recoil. It is incredibly flawed and almost all the criticism it gets is valid, but I love it in spite of that
The problem with a lot of the newer starters is they don't look like *creatures* that you could find in the wild, they look like *characters* with specific personalities.
@@keefy3482 Empoleon’s white lacy frills, Infernape’s armor, and Tortterra’s trees. Yes, for the last one, trees are natural, but it’s hard to believe that every tree on every Torterra is identical and grows the exact same way.
@@kayramah2531 Nope. I can believe Venusaur since it’s normal for a lot of plants and trees to grow straight up, like palm trees. Torterra’s trees on the other hand, have a very deliberate shape.
I love Serperior and I'm really glad my boy can be a genuine threat. I wish we could get it in Scarlet and Violet because I feel like a Tera Flying Contrary Serperior paired with a Shed Tail Cyclizar can be dangerous and I wanna try that.
My favorite is Feraligatr. Followed by Samurott and Emboar. Gatr is just so cool, DDance and Sheer Force are perfect for a Gator that's gonna eat the opposing team.
Inteleon doesnt have the best visual design but I think its actually pretty cool. I like the bond-esque stature I feel like Inconeroar is not really the problem in VGC, it‘s more the metagame around it that makes it mandatory. What really pushed it over the edge tho was Parting Shot in Gen 8.
I feel like the problem with the Gen 8 starters is that none of their designs feel "complete" because they were designed with their Gmax forms in mind. For example, Gmax Inteleon looks amazing. The fact that it has a water sniper rifle makes it's design feel "complete", and just makes it way cooler. Once you take a look at the Gmax form, normal Inteleon looks like a middle stage evolution, like it's still missing an important part of its design.
Incineroar is what happens when you give a mon with good stats and moves Intimidate and Fake Out. It should never be done. Hitmontop and Scrafty are far more balanced with their limited movepool, worse stats (just look at Hitmontop's HP), and worse typing (Scrafty my beloved, x4 weak to Fairy). Incin is def a problem because it's like the giga VGC pokemon with access to Intimidate, Fake Out, pivoting, debuffs, damage (Flare Blitz goes crazy), ON TOP of good bulk and attack and a decent type combo. They should take Fake Out or Intimidate away from it imo or he'll keep being xXVGCMasterXx until the end of time.
Thank you for giving much appreciation to Unova Samurott People complain it isnt a physical attacker but It being a Mix attacker in lower tiers is what makes it special and Unpredictable, he doesnt try to be too Powerfull, he is just cool like that in my Opinion. Also I love Shells, ma shell boi carried me alot in gen 5 haha
@@InsaneGarrison25 Ikr? When people complain about Samurott it just 2 things: -Its a Samurai, It should be ONLY a Physical Attacker (Taking diversity out of the window) -Why does it stand on 4 Legs??? (People say they dont like Anthropomorphic starters but Samurott somehow is the exception, I really dont mind it even if it is kinda diferent from Oshawott and Dewott)
@@AmoniPaleo Ironic as Samurai were also very skilled users of the bow(ranged weaponry) 🏹 Being a mixed attacker is more historically accurate than only being physical. Guess people aren’t that educated on samurai history lol
@@InsaneGarrison25 spirit shackle is a physical move, a bow is a physical attack even if it’s ranged. By your definition rock throw or fling should be special moves. I don’t see samurai calling the powers of the ocean and throwing boiling water on their enemies as a regular battle tactic.
@@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8 1. The move didn’t exist in Gen 5 and was designed for a mon with a literal archer motif. 2. You do realize Archerfish are a thing right? If a fish can be analogous to an archer by spitting out water so can a samurai otter
I appreciate you giving Empoleon so much attention and putting it so high on the list. It's my favorite starter, and far and away my favorite pokemon to use in gen 5 UU, which is my favorite format. It has so many good sets it can run, and tweaking its stats ever so slightly can completely change what it can stay in against. The meta pick a few years ago was to make it more specially defensive, but I made mine physically defensive and caught a lot of people by surprise with it when they thought they could one-shot it. I can absolutely respect putting it at number 3.
Love a good long video in the mix with the brisk 10ish minute ones. Great viewing experiences all around. Also, Stickerbrush Symphony coming on when talking about Rillaboom and Donkey Kong at 40:40 was just perfect lol
It looks a bit too humanoid imo. Also not really digging the football theme , it's like rilaboom with the drummer aspect , I just dont see how that would be pratical in battle. It just feels like they base the gen 8 starters on human jobs that a kid would like to become.
@@EggscellentTree pratical in battle? what are you on about?, Intellion lookd bad because his hands and feet are way to big, Rillaboom drums are a weird choice, but Cinderace is overall clean and simple, he has big legs since its a bunny, even his moves are mainly kicking and headbutting like a footballer, sure you can not like it but beeing dissapointed on something that made sense to evolve from the base is non sensical
sometimes i get reaaaaally hyperfixated on youtube channels that do what i plan on doing as a hobby for the next few weeks. currently i'm trying to get back into comp (i played comp during XY through med SM but i've been try harding pokemon since i was a kid) and your channel is my current hyperfixation. You're a huge help for getting back into the game, thanks a ton man. and honestly i watch a lot of youtube so i've seen a fuck ton of bits but i absolutely adore the Iron Mugulus story and even if i wasn't playing pokemon i'd come back for that. i truly hope we can find our only hope, Pawmot, so we can finally be rid of Iron Mugulus. and truthfully i feel like Iron Fellow will eventually come to be an ally
i am a defender of inteleon, and im upset you didnt realize inteleon had a signature move. it has a very high crit chance, i think 50% which pairs very well with his “mediocre” ability. i havent ever actually used inteleon… but ive seen it used and i dont think its the worst.
Eh… one of the problems is that inteleon can get out offensed since it’s incredibly frail. Furthermore unless you’re running scope lens and want to die to scarfers you have a random chance of the move not doing enough damage to kill. Inteleon’s coverage is also easy to stuff by throwing say toxapex or ferrothorn in front of it. It’s too frail to set up and too weak to just eliminate threats raw. Just use greninja if you want an effective special attacking water type with better coverage and supportive options.
19:49 Unfortunately in singles there’s no point to use Hyper Voice when Sparkling Aria is already a sound type move. It’s better in doubles at least(doesn’t hit your ally)
Primarina is so close to being an amazing pokemon. Literally all it needs is to learn Boomburst. Imagine Boomburst with Liquid Voice. Now that would be scary.
i love how you have built up this cinematic universe that revolves around the Jimothy Cool subscriber count and who is and is not subscribed to jim. another banger dude, keep it up 🤩❤️
awesome video, thanks jimothy always love seeing these longer videos (very BKC-esque) i hope the iron mugulis and iron fellow situation is resolved quickly and safely
Sniper snipeshot in vgc is very nice (inteleon), also since there's Max Airstream, I guess devs planned it to do speedy non directed water stab in doubles
I'm honestly hoping they give meganium the Legends Arceus treatment, and they should do what Radical Red did: give it the fairy type and Triage ability, along with moves like calm mind and draining kiss. Actual threat, brilliant rework.
I LOVE swampert in the AAA metagame - giving him regen turns him into a great defensive pivot but he's not overwhelming for the game and has noticeable weaknesses. Flip turn plus regenerator makes a great assault vest or stealth rocker
Incineroar is my fav starter. I know it's annoying to deal with but i just love its design the most. It sucks that people just dislike masculine, muscular pokemon. I dont get it.
Same man, I love Incine, my second fave after Typhlosion He did reason that Incine was a centralizing threat back then (which understandable), but I do know that a lot of people hate it cuz furry (makes me sad cuz I'm a furry but everyone's entitled to their own opinion haha)
I used to dislike Incineroar because i didn't like the direction Pokemon starters were taking. Now that we've gotten past gen 8... well, Incineroar seems fine now compared to Inteleon.
if anyone reading this is into animation, i think it'd be hysterical if you could make a clip of a "SA" group (starters annonymous) where starters from every region have to talk their feelings out. "and then, he forced me to eat dozens and dozens of candy...he gave me some mint that changed some fundamental aspect of me...he forced me to breed for days and let his Koridon watch the whole time..." "YOU THINK YOU HAVE IT ROUGH WITH RAIDS SPRIGATITO? YOU'RE NOT EVEN THE ONE WHO FOUGHT THE LEGENDARY. I HAD TO BATTLE THIS DUDE WHO WAS TRAINING ON A MOUNTIAN FOR 2 YEARS WITH POKEMON STRONGER THAN I HAVE EVER WITTNESSED BEFORE OR SINCE THEN" -Froakie, not happy for the day it has to learn to bond with someone
I don’t really get where you’re coming from with Emboar, but I respect your opinion lol. In terms of competitive, it’s a decidedly average starter usually being RU, distinctly above Samurott, Typhlosion, Decidueye, Blastoise, Charizard, Sceptile, Torterra, Inteleon, and Meganium, and being around the same level as Feraligatr, Delphox, and Incineroar. and its design is actually pretty unique in my opinion, having a distinctly Chinese origin with inspiration from classics Romance of the Three Kingdoms and Journey to the West alongside its body having patterns like a __ding__, which are terracotta vessels that represent power in Chinese culture (Ting-Lu’s head is one of these), alongside being a chonky martial arts master pig. I think it’s pretty cool, and it’s starting to become more appreciated as time goes on; I used to think it was pretty dumb too but now it’s a well above average starter for me
I appreciate your defense here. Emboar’s my favorite Pokémon and he can wreak house online for sure! He’s just been a beast since day one in Pokémon Black version
I always get confused why people hate humanoid starters but love Pokemon like Lucario or Gardevoir. Is it ok to be humanoid as long as it's not a starter? I dont understand
@@fsvbbdebendjen7818 yeah which is unfair... For me I don't mind as long as it's a cool design. Same as for object pokemon... Most ppl hate them but I love pokemon like Aegislash, Magnezone, Chandelure etc.
Cinderace is absolutely horrible in my opinion it just looks exactly like a man wearing a fur suit. My favourite is swampert, torterra, and charizard in that order so I guess I just prefer the more animal like designs.
Let's go, I unironically know literally no other people who have Charizard as their favorite starter. Everyone likes to be a hipster, but Charizard is just so cool.
Charizard was my favourite starter until Blaziken. He absolutely deserves the hype and I used to end the original games with an over levelled Charizard and pretty much no other mons hahahaha
I remember seeing a video like this you did, nice to see an updated version including the starters from gen 8 and 9 And I agree with you about Incineroar big time, I prefer Torracat
People only disrespect Emboar because they're not ready to face the fact that if Infernape was a different type, no one would complain, whereas if Emboar was different, we still would've had two fire/fightings in a row. That said, I think a fire/ground Emboar would've been much better.
I'd look on some hard fan game, where your starters are: Meganium, Samurott/Inteleon and Emboar/Delphox. I wonder, who's worse in fire and water starters? And why
Man, no starter can compare to Meganium in terms of badness... but in a fan game i think Inteleon and Delphox are always going to be pretty useful given their fairly high speed and SpA. Personally i think I'd go with either Blastoise or Feraligatr for water and mmmmaybe Typhlosion or Emboar for fire. Blastoise has low attacking stats unless you can get a mega stone so i think it would stuggle the most, but it'll always have utility in rapid spin and in just being a water type lol. Feraligatr on the other hand has a pretty bad level-up learnset being a physical water type, so its best options would probably end up being normal and dark type moves which is... not good. On the other hand, if it has access to its hidden ability and move tutors, then it can be a dragon dance set up sweeper which is pretty good! Fire is definitely the hardest category for me to choose a weakest 'mon, but i chose Typhlosion because if i recall, its level up moves arent great, and its maximum potential is probably like... choice scarf eruption? Which isnt crazy good either. And Emboar is slow and really not that bulky because of its low defenses, BUT goddamn does that fighting typing make it more threatening
Okay I was about to be mad, but then you said you like Emboar's visual design. I agree that competitively and typing wise it's incredibly whatever. Also it and Incineroar could both have been awesome quadripedal mons which I will never forgive them for, even though I don't dislike either pokekon as they are now, just feels like more wasted potential as fire starters for some fucking reason all need to stand on two legs even when it's a cat or pig.
One change to Meganium I'd love to see is switching its hidden ability to Flower Veil. Flower Veil is a theoretically busted ability, preventing all Grass Pokémon on your team from getting statused or having their stats dropped by the opponent. It's currently only on pure Fairy types, but Meganium would be a good user of it in singles and doubles. I've played a few ROM hacks with Flower Veil Meganium and it's a great addition to my teams
blastoise was a bulky rain setter/spinner in RU when i was playing back in the day (was outclassed by so many other things) but had no idea it got shell smash in gen 8, wild. now i want to use it
You should rank the pseudo-legendaries or cross-gen evos (Kingambit, Annihilape, Ursaluna, Basculeion, Scizor, Crobat, Togekiss, Gliscor, Mamoswine, Roserade, etc.) You could also do the early birds (Staraptor, Corviknight, Talonflame, Pidgeot, etc.) or early bugs (Lokix, Scolipede, Vikavolt, Orbeetle, Krickitune, etc.)
0:07 "Every generation has 3 starters to choose from and they're probably the most iconic pokemon of their respective generations." Objection! Bidoof is not a starter!
Skeledirge has my favorite pokemon design over the last few gens. It just works from top to bottom. Fuecoco has top tier DAT BOY energy as well, up there with Totodile and Mudkip.
Sucks that Emboar sucks, I’ve never fully understood the slack, I really enjoyed running through black 2 with it. Reckless choice band with flare blitz, head smash, and wild charge does crazy damage.
It might suck in higher tiers but it was actually good in lower tiers and iirc got banned from NU in Gen 7. It performed better than Samurrott, Charizard, Blastoise, Typhlosion, Meganium, Sceptile, Torterra, Delphox, Decidueye and Incineroar in Gen 7 singles. So yeah, FAR from worst lol
PART 3: 44:38 Infernape. Hate it. Always have. It was so mindlessly OP when it was just a power-crept Blaziken (until Gamefreak did some drugs and gave the spicy chicken Speed Boost for some insane reason). It's a big part of why I switched to Doubles format in Gen V and VI as I seriously got tired of seeing this damned thing. Visually, I dunno what it is but there's just something that irks me every time I see Infernape. At least I can pretend its Hanumachine from the MegaMan Zero series and how badly I whoop that thing's ass. 46:34 Swampert. The King of Water Types. God of Ground. You do. Not. FUCK. With Swampert. Such an awesome Pokemon to use in nearly every generation, and hits that sweet spot of being cool but not overly busy or gimmicky. The slower, methodical defensive meta of Gen 3 is embodied and enabled by Swampert and I greatly prefer that to the power-creep blowout and/or luck-swap festivals that Gen VI and beyond are largely known for. 50:15 Empoleon. He's a'right. Very cool design. Much prefer Blastoise, Quaquaval and Swampert over Empoleon, but I'd never really complain if forced to use one on a team, even if it is the power-creep of latter-generations talking. Cool typing though. 52:10 Greninja. Ehh...it's cool, but just like Infernape I got really tired of seeing it in Gen VI...and also in Smash Bros. I really want to like this thing more than I do, but I can't. Too many frustrating memories associated with this one for me. (at least it's not Meoscarada or Incineroar) 54:57 Charizard. Yeah...I can't disagree with this one. It's at the top for a reason. Sucked ASS competitively in Gen 1, but everything from Gen 3 onward has more than made up for its awful start. Iconic design, the Dragon-that's-not-a-Dragon-Type-Until-It-Eat-A-Magic-Rock. Sometimes, on the very rare occasion, something is both justifiably popular and awesome.
Im a patron watching! What about some viable belly drum teams? Or some rain teams! Love your content! Currently trying to breed a shiny in gen 3 with 2 legit shiny parent's. The first of its kind, that i know anyway..
10:11 Not just that, if you look at Cyndaquil and Charmander, same stats. If you look at Quilava and Charmeleon, SAME STATS.
Regional version Charizard Thyphlosion
Meganium not placing last is a great feat from our floral friend.
Justice for the flower dino
some fantastic alliteration in this comment
Meganium is highly underrated. It's not amazing, but it's not bad--Johto is just hostile to grass types. It does fairly well in Hoenn and is decent in Orre. People saying it's bad mostly haven't done much thinking outside the box of Johto.
@@benjystrauss2524no, Meganium is truly at the bottom of the bottom in any gen it's in. The best thing it can do is use Light Screen and Leech Seed, which is so bad on a pure grass type. It's truly unfortunate how it terrible it is
@@13kevyaga31 What it sounds like you don't know how to use Meganium properly. While it's more difficult to use it in older generations and without Leech Seed (if you don't have access to the egg move), the trick with Meganium is knowing how and when to use it). Meganium is very hard to one-shot, and it often 3-4 hit KOed, which is enough time to put out a Leech Seed, screen, and heal up with Giga Drain or Synthesis.
The only issue Meganium really has is coverage, but still you can Body Slam Earthquake or in some romhacks, moonblast. (Ancientpower's pp is usually too low to be effective). The only other real coverage you have is iron tail (ew) and hidden power. Still, it tends to get its job done, provided its being used correctly.
I've found that most starter Pokémon are pretty solid. Meganium is no exception.
1 hour video ! This will definitely throw Spidops off the trail and gives Pawmot time to escape from Hong Kong.
Thanks Jimothy
They really designed inteleon like that and then proceeded to give meowscarada flower trick 💀👍
give the sniper pokemon an always critting move ❌
give the protean magican pokemin an always critting move ✅
I mean its signature move has a high crit ratio but i totally agree that it shouldve been always crit move
Specs sniper boosted crit Tera water Snipe Shots seem fire
@@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy doesnt matter You still can't get that shit on the field with that bulk
Snipe shot should either be always crit or like high crit chance and in-built mold breaker/ ignores subs and protection or something like that
None of these starters can save us from Iron Fellow OR Iron Mugulis...
Gholdengo is a Pokemon made of pure gold. He must have done some online business management courses to accumulate all that wealth. Or perhaps he might want to learn how to make money playing video games on UA-cam. In any case, he's a powerful metagame force, with absolutely no interest in online game development schools.
Scream Tail is the Jigglypuff of our wildest dreams. It has been buffed with some higher statistics and the incredible ability, Protosynthesis. Gen 9 Competitive Pokemon wouldn't be the same without this powerful pink blob. He kinda looks like someone I met in one of my game design and development courses.
Skeledirge and Hisuian Typhlosion wall Iron Fellow' STABS
@@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy but what is it gets earthquake
pin me if you think iron mugulis doesn’t deserve uu
He didn't pin it... omg...
@@why3994 its just not as good to use competitively as it is when you go against it, Jimothy cool subscribers got the tech to beat it
I hope he just rots in RUBL not achieving absolutely nothing of value for the UU metagame
Has the best shiny tho
He deserves pu
I love the idea of naming your son quaquaval, not out of respect, but just so you get more practice saying the name
he's so effortlessly funny
Finally, someone with respect for the Venusaur line, it’s my favorite Pokémon.
he's so cool and cute
And Good, sleep Chlorophyll is busted.
I love bulbasaur😊
It's good to see some venusaur enjoyer
Best Gen 1 and grass starter
Oh wow this is the longest Jimothy video ever? I sure hope he likes my favourite starter from the future, Iron Penguin
The comments about incineroar are spot on. Reminds me of some early gen centralization, Snorlax gen 2
and then notice which gen ou is his 3rd least favorite
BUT INCINEROAR IS SO HOT
@@ryanhamilton7664 yes, it is a fire type
@@ryanhamilton7664 FNAF FOXY IS HOTTER
@@uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh NO ONE CARES ABOUT THAT BABY GAME
The impersonation of incineroar's animation was spot on
Hard to forget that if you watched VGC
One of the best parts of this video is one of the negatives of Hisui Typhlosion he mentioned we have a few fire ghost types now, and then a positive to Skeledirge was that it had a “unique type”.
Over 10 years later, having let Emboar simmer and letting the overexposure of fire/fighting types being washed down by new interesting type combos. I've started to grow quite fond of it.
While its predecessors are clearly superior competitive-wise, I personally enjoy using Emboar so much more. Infernape and Blaziken embody the mixed attacking glass cannon roles, which isn't bad, but there's just so many other Pokemon of that archetype. Emboar fully embodies what a Fire/Fighting type should be. Pure offensive power, no matter the cost. The damage potential Emboar carries is insane and made it incredibly fun to use against stall teams in gen 6. Getting it in safely was a challenge at times, but once it's in against even bulky waters, it was always gonna delete something while potentially deleting itself through all the recoil.
It is incredibly flawed and almost all the criticism it gets is valid, but I love it in spite of that
I love embora mostly because I watched the black white anime first and I loved tepig, and I find it supremely funny that it for some reason has scald
The problem with a lot of the newer starters is they don't look like *creatures* that you could find in the wild, they look like *characters* with specific personalities.
This has been happening since Gen 4. You could even make the case for it having its roots in gen3, but only seriously being a problem in 4
@@yanhuideng8263 nah
@@keefy3482 Empoleon’s white lacy frills, Infernape’s armor, and Tortterra’s trees.
Yes, for the last one, trees are natural, but it’s hard to believe that every tree on every Torterra is identical and grows the exact same way.
@@yanhuideng8263 you could say the same thing about Venusaur
@@kayramah2531 Nope. I can believe Venusaur since it’s normal for a lot of plants and trees to grow straight up, like palm trees. Torterra’s trees on the other hand, have a very deliberate shape.
I love Serperior and I'm really glad my boy can be a genuine threat. I wish we could get it in Scarlet and Violet because I feel like a Tera Flying Contrary Serperior paired with a Shed Tail Cyclizar can be dangerous and I wanna try that.
your wish is granted
My favorite is Feraligatr. Followed by Samurott and Emboar. Gatr is just so cool, DDance and Sheer Force are perfect for a Gator that's gonna eat the opposing team.
Don't forget to mention its gen 3 sprite
The cake in Gen 3
Inteleon doesnt have the best visual design but I think its actually pretty cool.
I like the bond-esque stature
I feel like Inconeroar is not really the problem in VGC, it‘s more the metagame around it that makes it mandatory. What really pushed it over the edge tho was Parting Shot in Gen 8.
They missed the opportunity to make Snipe Shot like Flower Trick.
Maybe Inteleon could be more used
I feel like the problem with the Gen 8 starters is that none of their designs feel "complete" because they were designed with their Gmax forms in mind.
For example, Gmax Inteleon looks amazing. The fact that it has a water sniper rifle makes it's design feel "complete", and just makes it way cooler.
Once you take a look at the Gmax form, normal Inteleon looks like a middle stage evolution, like it's still missing an important part of its design.
Incineroar is what happens when you give a mon with good stats and moves Intimidate and Fake Out. It should never be done. Hitmontop and Scrafty are far more balanced with their limited movepool, worse stats (just look at Hitmontop's HP), and worse typing (Scrafty my beloved, x4 weak to Fairy). Incin is def a problem because it's like the giga VGC pokemon with access to Intimidate, Fake Out, pivoting, debuffs, damage (Flare Blitz goes crazy), ON TOP of good bulk and attack and a decent type combo. They should take Fake Out or Intimidate away from it imo or he'll keep being xXVGCMasterXx until the end of time.
Open Team Sheet literally makes Frisk a do-nothing ability
Thank you for giving much appreciation to Unova Samurott
People complain it isnt a physical attacker but It being a Mix attacker in lower tiers is what makes it special and Unpredictable, he doesnt try to be too Powerfull, he is just cool like that in my Opinion.
Also I love Shells, ma shell boi carried me alot in gen 5 haha
If people are still upset about it when the Hisuian form is now a thing they’re weird
@@InsaneGarrison25 Ikr?
When people complain about Samurott it just 2 things:
-Its a Samurai, It should be ONLY a Physical Attacker (Taking diversity out of the window)
-Why does it stand on 4 Legs??? (People say they dont like Anthropomorphic starters but Samurott somehow is the exception, I really dont mind it even if it is kinda diferent from Oshawott and Dewott)
@@AmoniPaleo Ironic as Samurai were also very skilled users of the bow(ranged weaponry) 🏹
Being a mixed attacker is more historically accurate than only being physical.
Guess people aren’t that educated on samurai history lol
@@InsaneGarrison25 spirit shackle is a physical move, a bow is a physical attack even if it’s ranged. By your definition rock throw or fling should be special moves.
I don’t see samurai calling the powers of the ocean and throwing boiling water on their enemies as a regular battle tactic.
@@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8
1. The move didn’t exist in Gen 5 and was designed for a mon with a literal archer motif.
2. You do realize Archerfish are a thing right? If a fish can be analogous to an archer by spitting out water so can a samurai otter
I appreciate you giving Empoleon so much attention and putting it so high on the list. It's my favorite starter, and far and away my favorite pokemon to use in gen 5 UU, which is my favorite format.
It has so many good sets it can run, and tweaking its stats ever so slightly can completely change what it can stay in against. The meta pick a few years ago was to make it more specially defensive, but I made mine physically defensive and caught a lot of people by surprise with it when they thought they could one-shot it. I can absolutely respect putting it at number 3.
Love a good long video in the mix with the brisk 10ish minute ones. Great viewing experiences all around. Also, Stickerbrush Symphony coming on when talking about Rillaboom and Donkey Kong at 40:40 was just perfect lol
Gonna be honest, I always thought that if Delphox's legs where visible and it also got a magic hat, the Pokemon would look some much cooler.
Show LEGS YES
Thank you for not faulting us for liking Serperior
i never understood Cinderace hate, when i saw Scorbunny i always imagined something along that for his final evo as a Soccer Bunny it makes sense
Same. I love cinderace
It looks a bit too humanoid imo. Also not really digging the football theme , it's like rilaboom with the drummer aspect , I just dont see how that would be pratical in battle. It just feels like they base the gen 8 starters on human jobs that a kid would like to become.
@@EggscellentTree pratical in battle? what are you on about?, Intellion lookd bad because his hands and feet are way to big, Rillaboom drums are a weird choice, but Cinderace is overall clean and simple, he has big legs since its a bunny, even his moves are mainly kicking and headbutting like a footballer, sure you can not like it but beeing dissapointed on something that made sense to evolve from the base is non sensical
@@EggscellentTreecause we british love football
@Innocent Smile not practical in battle?? The game and anime literally show how they battle. Were you not paying attention?
I am convinced I am the only person in earth that likes Delphox
Delphox was the starter who brought me back into Pokemon, so it will always have a certain "2nd starter" kind of place for me.
sometimes i get reaaaaally hyperfixated on youtube channels that do what i plan on doing as a hobby for the next few weeks. currently i'm trying to get back into comp (i played comp during XY through med SM but i've been try harding pokemon since i was a kid) and your channel is my current hyperfixation. You're a huge help for getting back into the game, thanks a ton man. and honestly i watch a lot of youtube so i've seen a fuck ton of bits but i absolutely adore the Iron Mugulus story and even if i wasn't playing pokemon i'd come back for that.
i truly hope we can find our only hope, Pawmot, so we can finally be rid of Iron Mugulus. and truthfully i feel like Iron Fellow will eventually come to be an ally
40:30 Did anyone notice when he talked about Rillaboom Stickerbrush Symphony from Donkey Kong started playing lol.
i am a defender of inteleon, and im upset you didnt realize inteleon had a signature move. it has a very high crit chance, i think 50% which pairs very well with his “mediocre” ability. i havent ever actually used inteleon… but ive seen it used and i dont think its the worst.
Intelion is insanely good in ranbats
Eh… one of the problems is that inteleon can get out offensed since it’s incredibly frail.
Furthermore unless you’re running scope lens and want to die to scarfers you have a random chance of the move not doing enough damage to kill. Inteleon’s coverage is also easy to stuff by throwing say toxapex or ferrothorn in front of it.
It’s too frail to set up and too weak to just eliminate threats raw. Just use greninja if you want an effective special attacking water type with better coverage and supportive options.
The iron mugulus era will start soon
Some say we're already living in it.
19:49 Unfortunately in singles there’s no point to use Hyper Voice when Sparkling Aria is already a sound type move. It’s better in doubles at least(doesn’t hit your ally)
Primarina is so close to being an amazing pokemon. Literally all it needs is to learn Boomburst.
Imagine Boomburst with Liquid Voice. Now that would be scary.
Sparkling Aria is lower power and can heal an enemy's Burn in Single Battles.
Imagine If hisuian Typlosion for serene Grace to combine with Infernal Parade
i love how you have built up this cinematic universe that revolves around the Jimothy Cool subscriber count and who is and is not subscribed to jim.
another banger dude, keep it up 🤩❤️
awesome video, thanks jimothy always love seeing these longer videos (very BKC-esque)
i hope the iron mugulis and iron fellow situation is resolved quickly and safely
Thank you for this I love hour long videos 😃
this man's objectively correct opinions are just like mine, and that makes me feel very cool and good
Sniper snipeshot in vgc is very nice (inteleon), also since there's Max Airstream, I guess devs planned it to do speedy non directed water stab in doubles
1:25 that’s the police sketch
"Feraligatr is a crocodile" 😂
I'm very intelligent
Has gator in the name: "is a cool little crocodile dude"
I'm honestly hoping they give meganium the Legends Arceus treatment, and they should do what Radical Red did: give it the fairy type and Triage ability, along with moves like calm mind and draining kiss. Actual threat, brilliant rework.
LOL the dunking on Incineroar was so good
bro idk why your voice is so calming
Never speak ill of my shining light Iron Jugulis ever again Jimothy.
wow... Typhlosion has the same stats of Charizard, thats sad, but I love my erupting fire hedgehog
Hey man-have been enjoying your content. Keep the great videos coming!
Great video Jim very epic
Jimothy cool i beg u to tell me what the source is for the intro instrumental, it makes me feel another way
That's the intro music from Ocarina of Time
@@jimothycool ❤️❤️❤️
I LOVE swampert in the AAA metagame - giving him regen turns him into a great defensive pivot but he's not overwhelming for the game and has noticeable weaknesses. Flip turn plus regenerator makes a great assault vest or stealth rocker
"flip turn regenerator ahaha so fun"
Incineroar is my fav starter. I know it's annoying to deal with but i just love its design the most.
It sucks that people just dislike masculine, muscular pokemon. I dont get it.
Well I guess as someone who is muscular and also fights irl.. maybe I'm biased but still!
Same man, I love Incine, my second fave after Typhlosion
He did reason that Incine was a centralizing threat back then (which understandable), but I do know that a lot of people hate it cuz furry (makes me sad cuz I'm a furry but everyone's entitled to their own opinion haha)
The same reason they hate quaquaval
I used to dislike Incineroar because i didn't like the direction Pokemon starters were taking. Now that we've gotten past gen 8... well, Incineroar seems fine now compared to Inteleon.
if anyone reading this is into animation, i think it'd be hysterical if you could make a clip of a "SA" group (starters annonymous) where starters from every region have to talk their feelings out.
"and then, he forced me to eat dozens and dozens of candy...he gave me some mint that changed some fundamental aspect of me...he forced me to breed for days and let his Koridon watch the whole time..."
"YOU THINK YOU HAVE IT ROUGH WITH RAIDS SPRIGATITO? YOU'RE NOT EVEN THE ONE WHO FOUGHT THE LEGENDARY. I HAD TO BATTLE THIS DUDE WHO WAS TRAINING ON A MOUNTIAN FOR 2 YEARS WITH POKEMON STRONGER THAN I HAVE EVER WITTNESSED BEFORE OR SINCE THEN" -Froakie, not happy for the day it has to learn to bond with someone
I don’t really get where you’re coming from with Emboar, but I respect your opinion lol. In terms of competitive, it’s a decidedly average starter usually being RU, distinctly above Samurott, Typhlosion, Decidueye, Blastoise, Charizard, Sceptile, Torterra, Inteleon, and Meganium, and being around the same level as Feraligatr, Delphox, and Incineroar. and its design is actually pretty unique in my opinion, having a distinctly Chinese origin with inspiration from classics Romance of the Three Kingdoms and Journey to the West alongside its body having patterns like a __ding__, which are terracotta vessels that represent power in Chinese culture (Ting-Lu’s head is one of these), alongside being a chonky martial arts master pig. I think it’s pretty cool, and it’s starting to become more appreciated as time goes on; I used to think it was pretty dumb too but now it’s a well above average starter for me
This values VGC too and he sucks there and not normal sucking, like, bottom tier sucking
I appreciate your defense here. Emboar’s my favorite Pokémon and he can wreak house online for sure! He’s just been a beast since day one in Pokémon Black version
I always get confused why people hate humanoid starters but love Pokemon like Lucario or Gardevoir. Is it ok to be humanoid as long as it's not a starter? I dont understand
It depends, most of the humanoid starters are hated For only being humanoid to be more badass and cool Like mewscarada
@@fsvbbdebendjen7818 yeah which is unfair... For me I don't mind as long as it's a cool design. Same as for object pokemon... Most ppl hate them but I love pokemon like Aegislash, Magnezone, Chandelure etc.
I feel like people who hate the humanoid starters and the people who love Lucario/Gardevoir are mostly different people
Incineroar and Meowscarada look like furry OCs. Lucario and Gardevoir don't.
@ Lucario does and Gardevoir looks almost like a literal human
Delphox worse than Chesgnaught? That's a controversial one
Incineroar being one of the most busted normal mons in doubles is kind of funny
Cinderace is absolutely horrible in my opinion it just looks exactly like a man wearing a fur suit. My favourite is swampert, torterra, and charizard in that order so I guess I just prefer the more animal like designs.
If Emboar hadn't been bipedal (even though it's shiny is great) and had been frie-ground it would immediately be so much more preferable
You should do a blind play through of legends Arceus. I know you’d like it
Infernape in Platinum was the first pokemon I did a 1-mon playthrough with, and it was such a good time
40:32 I see you are a man of culture! I suspected this by the amount of DKC OST you use
8:21 this with great tusk lol
Let's go, I unironically know literally no other people who have Charizard as their favorite starter. Everyone likes to be a hipster, but Charizard is just so cool.
Charizard was my favourite starter until Blaziken. He absolutely deserves the hype and I used to end the original games with an over levelled Charizard and pretty much no other mons hahahaha
Charizard is my favorite starter. Blastoise is my second close.
I’m not embarrassed to admit that in the battle tower, Leon roasted me with Charizard. So much so I made a team to deal with it.
The funny thing is they buffed incin after that in doubles. It got parting shot and dark types became immune to prankster.
I have heard the menace Iron Scrumb is on the rise from RU as well. And it's supposedly even more terrifying than Iron Mugulis
I remember seeing a video like this you did, nice to see an updated version including the starters from gen 8 and 9
And I agree with you about Incineroar big time, I prefer Torracat
Jim I’ve grown very fond of you very fast. This video has counteracted almost every ounce of that 😭😔
Day 2 of asking jimothy to make a video on koraidon and miraidon
J. Cool really blessed us with an hour long vid today is a good day
I can't imagine living your life as the type of person who would defend Iron jugulus.
@20:00 - water type perish song is a niche but fun thing to do
People only disrespect Emboar because they're not ready to face the fact that if Infernape was a different type, no one would complain, whereas if Emboar was different, we still would've had two fire/fightings in a row.
That said, I think a fire/ground Emboar would've been much better.
At 7:37, he became Wolfey for a sec 😂
Great video
I'd look on some hard fan game, where your starters are: Meganium, Samurott/Inteleon and Emboar/Delphox.
I wonder, who's worse in fire and water starters? And why
Man, no starter can compare to Meganium in terms of badness... but in a fan game i think Inteleon and Delphox are always going to be pretty useful given their fairly high speed and SpA.
Personally i think I'd go with either Blastoise or Feraligatr for water and mmmmaybe Typhlosion or Emboar for fire.
Blastoise has low attacking stats unless you can get a mega stone so i think it would stuggle the most, but it'll always have utility in rapid spin and in just being a water type lol. Feraligatr on the other hand has a pretty bad level-up learnset being a physical water type, so its best options would probably end up being normal and dark type moves which is... not good. On the other hand, if it has access to its hidden ability and move tutors, then it can be a dragon dance set up sweeper which is pretty good!
Fire is definitely the hardest category for me to choose a weakest 'mon, but i chose Typhlosion because if i recall, its level up moves arent great, and its maximum potential is probably like... choice scarf eruption? Which isnt crazy good either. And Emboar is slow and really not that bulky because of its low defenses, BUT goddamn does that fighting typing make it more threatening
Okay I was about to be mad, but then you said you like Emboar's visual design. I agree that competitively and typing wise it's incredibly whatever. Also it and Incineroar could both have been awesome quadripedal mons which I will never forgive them for, even though I don't dislike either pokekon as they are now, just feels like more wasted potential as fire starters for some fucking reason all need to stand on two legs even when it's a cat or pig.
Remember when people tried to make intelleon work in OU lol good times
There must be a past paradox Pokémon we can recruit to take down Iron Mugulis and Iron Fellow
The long awaited Jimothy Cool movie has finally been released
Love the face cam so I can see you pick your nose 30 seconds in. This is what I've been waiting months for
One change to Meganium I'd love to see is switching its hidden ability to Flower Veil. Flower Veil is a theoretically busted ability, preventing all Grass Pokémon on your team from getting statused or having their stats dropped by the opponent. It's currently only on pure Fairy types, but Meganium would be a good user of it in singles and doubles. I've played a few ROM hacks with Flower Veil Meganium and it's a great addition to my teams
Okay well the Incineroar rant was incredible, as a VGC player
blastoise was a bulky rain setter/spinner in RU when i was playing back in the day (was outclassed by so many other things) but had no idea it got shell smash in gen 8, wild. now i want to use it
sorry for so many comments LMAO i have a lot to say in these long videos
I gotta say, u have such a chill voice!
i think assault vest hisuian samurott could be a really neat lead pokemon
i could listen to you talk about pokemon all day brother
You have excellent taste in background msic.
Hearing jimothy using a rhotic r will always ring in my head from now on
You should rank the pseudo-legendaries or cross-gen evos (Kingambit, Annihilape, Ursaluna, Basculeion, Scizor, Crobat, Togekiss, Gliscor, Mamoswine, Roserade, etc.)
You could also do the early birds (Staraptor, Corviknight, Talonflame, Pidgeot, etc.) or early bugs (Lokix, Scolipede, Vikavolt, Orbeetle, Krickitune, etc.)
Scolipede is not an early bug. You can't even catch Venipede (or Sewaddle) until after the 2nd gym.
0:07 "Every generation has 3 starters to choose from and they're probably the most iconic pokemon of their respective generations." Objection! Bidoof is not a starter!
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Inteleon actually has a signature move called Snipe Shot and has a higher chance to crit, so Inteleon can make use of its ability.
I see Inteleon named Awful in the thumbnail.
Also me SHREDDING everything with G-max Inteleon and Snipe Shot.
Me: ANGWY
Skeledirge has my favorite pokemon design over the last few gens. It just works from top to bottom. Fuecoco has top tier DAT BOY energy as well, up there with Totodile and Mudkip.
"It has the hidden ability sniper. Which is... I sleep" 😭
Sucks that Emboar sucks, I’ve never fully understood the slack, I really enjoyed running through black 2 with it. Reckless choice band with flare blitz, head smash, and wild charge does crazy damage.
It might suck in higher tiers but it was actually good in lower tiers and iirc got banned from NU in Gen 7. It performed better than Samurrott, Charizard, Blastoise, Typhlosion, Meganium, Sceptile, Torterra, Delphox, Decidueye and Incineroar in Gen 7 singles. So yeah, FAR from worst lol
PART 3:
44:38 Infernape. Hate it. Always have. It was so mindlessly OP when it was just a power-crept Blaziken (until Gamefreak did some drugs and gave the spicy chicken Speed Boost for some insane reason). It's a big part of why I switched to Doubles format in Gen V and VI as I seriously got tired of seeing this damned thing.
Visually, I dunno what it is but there's just something that irks me every time I see Infernape. At least I can pretend its Hanumachine from the MegaMan Zero series and how badly I whoop that thing's ass.
46:34 Swampert. The King of Water Types. God of Ground. You do. Not. FUCK. With Swampert. Such an awesome Pokemon to use in nearly every generation, and hits that sweet spot of being cool but not overly busy or gimmicky. The slower, methodical defensive meta of Gen 3 is embodied and enabled by Swampert and I greatly prefer that to the power-creep blowout and/or luck-swap festivals that Gen VI and beyond are largely known for.
50:15 Empoleon. He's a'right. Very cool design. Much prefer Blastoise, Quaquaval and Swampert over Empoleon, but I'd never really complain if forced to use one on a team, even if it is the power-creep of latter-generations talking. Cool typing though.
52:10 Greninja. Ehh...it's cool, but just like Infernape I got really tired of seeing it in Gen VI...and also in Smash Bros. I really want to like this thing more than I do, but I can't. Too many frustrating memories associated with this one for me. (at least it's not Meoscarada or Incineroar)
54:57 Charizard. Yeah...I can't disagree with this one. It's at the top for a reason. Sucked ASS competitively in Gen 1, but everything from Gen 3 onward has more than made up for its awful start. Iconic design, the Dragon-that's-not-a-Dragon-Type-Until-It-Eat-A-Magic-Rock. Sometimes, on the very rare occasion, something is both justifiably popular and awesome.
i like how he starts to hate Incineroar more the longer he talks
I fully understand what you meant, but saying that torterra isn't effective as a ground type due to a x4 ice weakness is some delicious irony.
Great video. I wasn't gonna watch the whole thing, just skip thru and see the list, but this was perfectly paced and interesting. Well done. Subbed.
Im a patron watching! What about some viable belly drum teams? Or some rain teams! Love your content! Currently trying to breed a shiny in gen 3 with 2 legit shiny parent's. The first of its kind, that i know anyway..
Btw Inteleon gets Snipe Shot as a sig move I believe