Whenever you think someone is stupid, just remember there are people who unironically think the current top tier format needs MORE players instead of less.
Its absolutely insane how stupid majority of playerbase is. Gaijin should make current RB be the arcade mode and them give us better realistic mode thats between sim and rb.
@@lasse4416 just play sim dude. It takes a little while to figure it out on keyboard and mouse but once you do it's great. Pro tip, make sure you change your flight mode to damping (default bind is X I think) if you're flying a high tier jet. Will make it much easier to fly properly on keyboard.
@Seek regarding the 16v16, I have a different theory. In such a huge matches, the skill matters much less than it would in small matches. So there is a bigger chance for average WT players to get some RP and SL, by either getting random kills or bombing, since there is a less chance that people in furball will pay attention to them. Average players in ARB have negative KD, so in small matches, they would probably be just a cannon fodder, and that would lead to them getting bored and quitting the game. When I was in Vietnam for a couple of months last year, I have experienced SA server, where after the midnights, there are barely people playing, so I had the exactly those type of matches, like 8v8 and less, and I tell you, when I was in F5E, I could easily just solo win the entire match, because it was full of just ground pounding people, it felt like playing against AI. So if Gaijin implemented those sizes of matches, they would also have to introduce some kind of matchmaking according to player stats. And I guess they are just lazy to do that, so they go the easier route by just having huge clusterfuck matches...
Not too long ago for a small period of time 10.3 had 8v8-10v10 and it was amazing. Every match ended with the last couple players in a epic dog fight, and skill mattered a lot. I've become kinda frustrated with all the stupid noobs that talk about "skill issue" and I think they should experience that. Right now top tier does not pressure you to do better, but only to play more like a rat, or buy a premium.
Less players indeed would make the skillgap higher, but at least then people would actually learn to play the game before jumping straight to top tier because it will be too frustrating for them. Sadly gaijin couldn't care about that though because money
Idk, I’m very average. across everything I might average out to about 1:1 k/d, and in the old 12v12 I could get an ace fairly often in an f4ej-kai when f14, f16, and MiG29 were new. With 16v16 I’m lucky to get 3 cause every match is one-sided and either my team get stomped or stomp so hard I don’t get to even shoot. Imo 12v12 was actually much easier
@@norske_ow3440 Yea I agree, because skill mattered and also teamwork, now even with great team work you can still get obliterated by 3 guys who kinda know how to throw r27s.
"im not talking about the roadmap all video, because its probably been beat to death at this point" MatAWG - "hold my beer" **releases another 15 videos about it*
@@BrainRot227No he is not. His content is mid at best. Mat literally just milks the same topics over and over every update cycle, to the point where seeing his videos pop up in my feed makes me question if I’m in a time loop. And he’s inaccurate about shit ALL THE TIME. Its kinda ridiculous
@@GrapeFlavoredAntifreeze bros recent was if the f2 would be getting added, aircraft that wouldnt be and also he does that incredibly well, hating just to hate fr
@@BrainRot227 The would be at least his 5th video about whether the F-2 is going to get added, and he doesn’t even base his assumptions off of anything, he just takes a wild fucking guess at what aircraft are going to be added each update, makes 20 million 10 minute videos on the same thing, and has like a 10% success rate on correctly guessing aircraft that are getting added. His content is two steps away from brain rot, and you sound like you’re just one of his ride or die fangirls. Most of the community thinks he’s a goofy goober, because he is. The dude refuses to get better at speaking english, despite his content being in english, and his gameplay is nothing to write home about. He’s just another milk the algorithm youtuber, and literally any approach informative WT content is infinitely more appealing than his. His only redeeming quality is that since he makes videos about everything, he occasionally makes videos in interesting topics, but its like maybe one in every 7 or 8 videos he makes. He’s the definition of quantity over quality
Decreasing the amount of players to 8v8 would open a door for decompression in toptier as there would have to be half the player for a game to start, but no better keep the greed train going.
@@legendbee9579returning to 12v12 would be nice for lower BRs, but it'll take a long time for gaijin to admit that jets are not a case of one size fits all.
@@Xiphactinus what gaijin did was making the maps bigger and increase teams which is just not needed at least they can make it so you spawn on second airfield get the engagement going instead of forcing us to watch Netflix
Tbh 16v16 isn’t bad it’s just the spawn points aren’t good for such big games. Bigger maps, sim esque spawns, and objectives would make 16v16 so much more fun
I agree that is probably something about the servers being bad so they can't run more battles without getting better servers, but I wish they at least would give us a comment on this issue so we know if they are working on it and if they think it needs to be changed or if they want to keep it the same way for whatever reason. Just knowing what they think about the 16v16 issue would be awesome.
They can make the maps bigger with 2 spawns further away from each other, each spawn starts with 8 players each. Kind of like what gaijin does in Ground RB.
To add to the conspiracy I think they don’t make smaller games is to make the stock grind without the full missile load or chaff worse so people spend ge on modifications
i think they shoud just add different gamemodes like 8v8, 10v10,12v12 and 16v16 for the liking of players. if you want dynamic games you select 12v12 or 16v16 and for more chill ones just go 8v8 or 10v10. Today i saw that players online count was at ! 250 000! at that moment, so decompression and longer waiting times in the lobby wont be a problem itsefl even with 100 000 players online. And just personally i'd love to see EC type of gamemode for RB back. Just to use multirole purpose of top tier planes like F-16C or Grippen and attack ground units a bit and go hunt for other players just like in SIM battles. Those solutions would take little to zero effort for gaijin to add since everything (apart from decompression) is just already in game or realtively easy to implement (like smaller lobbies). But why even bother, just take super advanced top tier planes and put them into the most arcade and basic head-on type of battle that last 3 minutes at large.
If servers and cost was the entire reason behind the change the whole time that would be beyond frustrating, also good to see you have a working PC again :)
to be honest, i really respect your braveness to be able to speak up about these kind of stuff that are really sensitive towards Gaijin. You literally explained everything and also exactly what we've been having in this game lately or in general i would say. I hope gaijin see this video and listens to their players, because if not, there's probability that people are just too infuriated are going to make an action to kind of shut the game off or do stuff we could'nt imagine. And yes it could affect to all of us if that "worst scenario" happens. Keep it up man, you've represented us very well in this explaination video. sorry about my english, its not my first language so yeah, im suck at it.
RB EC would def improve a lot of people’s opinion of air, if it was coupled with the removal of AI and ground targets affecting the outcomes of standard air. 16v16 is def a problem for top tier. But overall ARB is a TDM and always will. Gaijin continues to try and please two different crowds. Also EC had the issue where missiles stopped working after and hour or so… i wonder of that has something to do with it 🤔
everyone always talks about bigger maps, more/less people, wider distances from af, why not like 4 spawns on each side? really use the entire map? and then as more people die the names get revealed permantently, I think it would make a little bit better challenge
RB really could use a revamp. The match set ups, objective design, and general design of RB for air is generally dogshit at this point in the game in general. It’s too simplistic, too illogical, and causes 90% of the issues existing in the mode, including ticket drain, airbase camping, lack of variety in gameplay, the spamming of a single vehicle (mainly premium ones), dragged out matches, etc… The current modes just don’t cut it, and need to be fixed before any more changes are made.
Totally agree but I think its two main things; bigger servers make it easier for noobs to get kills which drives engagement, and server limitations too. This is probably also why repeat maps are so common now, its a lot less demanding to keep the same map loaded on a server for multiple games than load a new one every time
as far as i know this relationship gaijin has with its community, not just a forum but a discord with direct line to its most influential players, is totally unique and so it’s a real head scratcher they still move in such mystery, although they are way more responsive than they used to be
The main problem is that they don't respect their playerbase or our time whatsoever. Threatening to remove the game from steam while insulting us was the proof we needed when people tried to force feedback at a fraction of what they force onto us.
the thing is, by solving 16v16 u can probably also solve br compression. if the matches take less players to fill, then, for example, a 12.7 match doesnt need to go search players with less than 12.3, avoiding the supposed qeue problems gaijin mentioned.
Valid conspiracy. Really happy about fuel sliders being added tho. It’s extremely logical. I just wish they fixed their fuel timers for once so it adjusts the time with your throttle setting. Another thing I’m pissed about bc it’s been fucked since day one of modern HUDs and the sim community is decently vocal about it. The damn flight path marker is not correct, it still doesn’t and never has matched the correct one in the virtual hud view.
the hud thing really irks me, especially on a jet like the Su-25 where if i decide i wanna do some ground pounding and shoot off my R-60Ms before dropping bombs my gunsight defaults to the bomb mode which is annoying and i lose the gyro sight. I know jets like the F-15 have a sight mode for “cannon on air target”, maybe something like that can solve it
I still remember when they started mixed nations top tier in air rb when F-86F2 was king. Said it was a temporary measure to improve wait times, which at the time were usually about five minutes. Only a few seconds now, but we never got proper nations teams back
I mean didn`t they add this change 2 or 3 years ago? It just slowly eroded back to its prior status as something half half. The system used to be very strict usally the first doing any significant damage gets the kill unless a good amount of time has passed.
I like 16v16 :( I just wanna have a new map design with multiple airports, more airbases and overall more areas where things are happening and not everyone is meeting in the middle.
The severe damage mechanic has nothing to do with solving killstealing, in fact it might even encourage killstealing depending on the reward split. The "problem" they were attempting to solve is those moments where people are considered dead but are able to fly around
I'm pretty sure running two 8v8 matches puts less load on the servers than one 16v16 match. The player activity is significantly higher and the server has to perform much more calculations to keep all the players in sync
that may interfere with the tickets/points system. If 2 players both score a kill on 1 jet, the system may count that as 2 kills in the overall points. At almost 40 years of age, I long accepted that kill (or goal) steals are just part of gaming culture.
I just want a air RB mode that has some cool objectives that actually make people want to play for them to win the match. You have to defend your points but also attack the enemy points....or maybe you have to kill...I don't know, some SAM's to be able to get close to bomb the target.....or enemy bomber formation are going to launch cruse missiles at your bases....intercept them....the enemy has to defend them until launch and keep them alive. I don't know sounds cool to me.
I just gave up playing top tier air rb it’s really annoying dodging 3 missiles just to die by a 4th one you never seen because you were worried about the other 3 missiles
I'd love some new gamemodes like a more realistic gamemode but not simulator controls, basically grb settings but in air without the arcadey pop ups to show where missiles are and stuff
Actually, for jets in Air Arcade 8v8 are quite common and even 6v6 are a thing, the lower count of player basically force the matchmaker to do with what is available, 16v16 are not that common, they mostly happen around the 10.0-12.0 BR range, where the premiums packs are, and they are still quite rare there, until you have an event and a peak time combined.
Well the vast majority don’t. It would be fine if it was a gamemode. But if there is no choice in the matter the game should do well by the majority, not the minority.
I believe that the 16v16 has to stay because if they change it back to 8v8 the reward system for kills doesn’t make sense as you have to get half the lobby for max rewards, this sucks for grinding.
How do you survive flying high in top tier air rb? Ive tried it so many times in the mirage 2k and 4k, but i always get smacked by a radar missile before i even get to altitude.
It comes down to money. If they reduce from 16v16 it will help make the grind easier. Less grind to Gaijin might mean less money in their mind. The server issue does make sense also, more matches is more work for servers which could result in the need for more servers.
16v16 would be cool if it was split to two groups of 8v8 on a very large map, where the survivors finish the fight in the middle of the map It would be even better if top tier would get an objective based game mode
i would actually like to see bigger games and more top tier modes. enduring confrontation air rb would get so many players in top tier, it's dumb they ever removed it.
What about 16v 16 but there are 6 land strips with teams split into two different areas and then the middle two are for ai strike planes and are objectives. Or simpler just 4 runways
Im fine with 16v16 but they should have like 6 different spawns across a far larger ec type map to make seperate engagements possible so that the longer range missles and radars are useful and it is actually spread out, an 8v8 is still the same missles getting launched at you in a close range as they will have more for each player imo
That’s an awful idea, what if 4 people spawn on the left, but the other team has 10 people there. It would just be like a slot machine. Eventually people will only spawn on the left spawn, as to not get outnumbered, just like the current “go left” rule.
the killsteal thing isn't a fix. you're still going to have teammates wasting positioning, energy, and ammo on planes that are already dead, putting your team at a disadvantage just to get some points.
i guess the point we should focus on here is, you still get the good reward as if you shot down the plane, wich in fact you did. there will be idiots wasting their precious time/energy to get some of the cake, but thats non of my problems anymore, they do them.
Do you think that the creators on the wt discord have different opinions depending on the platform they make content on, or are you all saying the same thing?
I love 16v16 games, alot of kills compaired to the short 8v8 and gaijin upgrades their own server almost every maintenance they dont have crappy servers, as it has to handle console n pc playing the game while different people from different countries
I think the 16v16 isn’t a bad thing. But the way it was implemented is bad. Add new spawn points at the top and bottom of each side of the map and split the team down the middle. Double the amount of bases and ground targets to attack so the strikers and ground pounding phantoms have something to do while the rest of us go and fight the enemy team
I so despeerately wish they would bring back that EC mode they had a fea years ago, where it took SL to spawn and it was like 500 KMs wide, with multiple spawning adjectives, multiple spawn points etc. but i also wish theyd have a permanent 4v4 or 8v8 mode with regular sized maps and pure deathmatch. The matchmaker times are kinda long depending on what youre playing but for the most part i think the playerbase can handle 2 modes. I really do get tired of playing the game on the same mode all the time. I can only play the game for like 2-3 hours at a time without wanting to unalive myself. Its genuinely a mind numbing experience at this point.
No map has been 500km/Sq. 131km/Sq is largest so far. But yes ARB-EC as perma option would be sooooooooo nice. and the small team small map tdm would be nice for dogfighting without 200+ missiles per team.
Yup aint nothing like you beating a enemy down and then a scumbag comes and knicks the enemy and they get the kill I still get that happening to me, also wish they really fixt the part where you shot the enemy and they decide to ram you and they get the kill when you actually did most the damage to them and you get robbed.
i think they shoud start whit 12 players just to see how it feels, because i still wanna get kills so i think 8 is to small but whit the current 16 player state i can litterly regularly get aces and loose because 5 kills have no impact these days and thats kinda crazy so deffo 10-12 players i think woud be best also considering some of the map sizes
I genuinely wouldn’t mind 16vs16 if they could update the bloody Air RB game mode, add more actual objectives force players to do them force players to split up and go to different objectives and make objectives actually worth it (forcing) people to do them. People will then have smaller groups clashing on the different objectives and such. So there will still be kills to be had. And more fun and team play within the community. I don’t understand why Gaijin are so against making the game more enjoyable and interesting to play. Same goes for Ground RB where are the different modes. Like Fucking blitz objectives, king of the hill, reapply point from helicopter and much more. Like literally the possibilities are endless, we have naval, ground, and air but we still have the most basic ass gamemodes to have ever existed.
Here's some more "conspiracy theories". 1. Less players = Less kills for people who buy their way into top tier = Less people buying p2w packs = Less profits 2. Less players = Easier stock grind = No need to GE mods = Less profits 3. Less players = Some tech tree Jets become playable and enjoyable = Less f2p player frustration = It would be more effective to talisman those jets instead of buying a p2w pack = Less profits 4. Less players = Experienced players will have space and time to strategize and approach engagements like in prop tiers = Rofl stomping on people who bought their way to top tier = Less people buying their way in = Less profits And here's another fun fact. Gaijin blocked every single comment that mentions this change in the recent road map blog. I know because me and my friends tried.
Honestly, I think maps size and position of things is a bigger problem. 16vs16 can work if they could split players among map. Adding new AF and making a limit for players per field will make so much for arb. Ye, its like a bootleg form of 8vs8, but its still much better than it is now
@@Epic_candle Snail cant make bombers work, what are they going to do with awacs? But if they would be AI plane, they will be shooted down first or it will be just good form of a spotting system
yall remember pixel gun 3d? They have a game mode called "squads" its basically 3v3. i think gaijin should add the classic team modes in realistic, and the squad game mode where its 3v3 or 4v4
Only thing i can think(where i acctually want more players in toptier) is when i stock grind. I believe stockgrinding vs fewer planes would make grinding alot harder. But that is the ONLY thing i see as any form of reason(this might just be me thinking this)
The reason for 16v16 is not server based, its meta based. They give US jets better maneuverability, and Russian jets stiff flight models with better missiles. In 16v16 maneuverability means little, and who has the best missiles and can carry the most missiles as well as deploy them effectively (HMS). 16v16 is designed for the SU-27 and any other missile bus that can field 10 of the best missiles in the game. You turn in 16v16 and you die to one of the other 15 enemies. Meanwhile R-27ERs and anything that can field a lot of them are kings of the 16v16 meta.
16 vs 16 works for WW2 planes but not for higher tiers. Here's what i would do: first i would split matchmaking by era so planes in Vietnam era will not be fighting planes from Korean era even if they are within BR range with some planes having dual citizenship and being allowed in both (F-4J and S for example will be in both Vietnam and top tier while F-4C or F-100 will be allowed in both Vietnam and Korean era matches if within their BR range). Next i would adjust team size based on these eras. WW2 games 16 vs 16 with a limit up to 6 bombers and attackers (in any ratio) per team Korean war era planes with up to AIM-9B or equivalent missiles 10 vs 10 with up to 3 bombers/attackers Vietnam era 6 vs 6 with up to 2 bombers/attackers top tier 4 vs 4 And for the love of god add EC in air RB.
TBH I love how the lies just compile. They cant decompress the battle ratings because it would make the queue times to long but yet upping the player count in each battle is fine. Your conclusion about them saving money is the only thing Ive come up with for them not lowering the player count per battle. Its BS and i dont look forward to the fox 3 spamming with 32 people in a single battle.
Not sure lowering the number of players is what's needed. Bigger maps with objectives so its not 16 vs 16 going left then furball and whoever's lucky enough survives definitely needs to change. They need to split people up and make them think about winning rather than just blow their missile load, get as many kills as possible, and repeat.
you don t need to take out the boosters mod, you can have it on as long as you re above mach 1.15 which it can do and maintain easily. If you keep that speed you can run circles around the gripen and if he tries to pull into you he will just bleed of speed and allow you to maintain 26 degrees per second at that speed and sling R73 at him
@@Wienerslinky in War Thunder they are made nearly equal, while indeed, NATO radars should be way better, even in older planes. But alas, the Russians need Gaijins Hand Holding.
@@Wienerslinky the aim7s are not even close to the r27er, the su27 also has TWS and a very good radar lmao. the f15 stands no chance in bvr with the su27, stop complaining about a plane with the best missiles in game
Props should stay 16vs16 or anything but 8vs8 its not enough maybe like 10 or 12 minimum for props and as the br goes up the number of player by game go down pretty much how it has evolved in real life before plane used to be big squadron and later its at been rare to see more then 3/4 planes working together.
If they don't want to address the 16v16 issue then they should at least keep top tier in the largest maps and have two spawns that are decently far apart for each team. I think that would help somewhat.
I don't think reducing players per match would impact servers significantly. I think its more that Gaijin still believes, and has repeatedly stated themselves, that they are of the mindset that players don't know what would make the game better, and therefore they refuse any criticism like this
The only explanation I have for gaijin increasing the number of players in the top tier is to make it faster and transform AIR RB top tier into a fast grind mode, but everyone who likes AIR RB lost out, because the mode already it was bad
I mean you could be right, but on the other hand, they left out a lot of really requested changes of multiple big problems and instead put some nice qol changes and ne mechanics nobody asked for in the roadmap
Maybe keep 16v16 but just make the maps like sim battles and up the rewards of all of the game modes since the maps would be bigger, probably not arcade but u get what I mean right?
The title isn't clickbait, he's just losing it from how dogshit top tier is right now.
not only top tier but most of the things that are happening in the game right now are just completely rigged
Whenever you think someone is stupid, just remember there are people who unironically think the current top tier format needs MORE players instead of less.
Its absolutely insane how stupid majority of playerbase is. Gaijin should make current RB be the arcade mode and them give us better realistic mode thats between sim and rb.
@@lasse4416 just play sim dude. It takes a little while to figure it out on keyboard and mouse but once you do it's great. Pro tip, make sure you change your flight mode to damping (default bind is X I think) if you're flying a high tier jet. Will make it much easier to fly properly on keyboard.
Right now or all the time except for a few tiers?
Birds aren't real either 🗣🗣🗣
Fr fbi spy drones
That’s going to be problematic for the decal…
@@SeekerHead AYO???
Going off the pace the joob decal is being added at, birds will be long extinct by the time the seek decal gets added
so that means the eagle isn't real either?
@Seek regarding the 16v16, I have a different theory. In such a huge matches, the skill matters much less than it would in small matches. So there is a bigger chance for average WT players to get some RP and SL, by either getting random kills or bombing, since there is a less chance that people in furball will pay attention to them. Average players in ARB have negative KD, so in small matches, they would probably be just a cannon fodder, and that would lead to them getting bored and quitting the game. When I was in Vietnam for a couple of months last year, I have experienced SA server, where after the midnights, there are barely people playing, so I had the exactly those type of matches, like 8v8 and less, and I tell you, when I was in F5E, I could easily just solo win the entire match, because it was full of just ground pounding people, it felt like playing against AI. So if Gaijin implemented those sizes of matches, they would also have to introduce some kind of matchmaking according to player stats. And I guess they are just lazy to do that, so they go the easier route by just having huge clusterfuck matches...
I agree about the less skill aspect as well
Not too long ago for a small period of time 10.3 had 8v8-10v10 and it was amazing. Every match ended with the last couple players in a epic dog fight, and skill mattered a lot. I've become kinda frustrated with all the stupid noobs that talk about "skill issue" and I think they should experience that. Right now top tier does not pressure you to do better, but only to play more like a rat, or buy a premium.
Less players indeed would make the skillgap higher, but at least then people would actually learn to play the game before jumping straight to top tier because it will be too frustrating for them. Sadly gaijin couldn't care about that though because money
Idk, I’m very average. across everything I might average out to about 1:1 k/d, and in the old 12v12 I could get an ace fairly often in an f4ej-kai when f14, f16, and MiG29 were new. With 16v16 I’m lucky to get 3 cause every match is one-sided and either my team get stomped or stomp so hard I don’t get to even shoot. Imo 12v12 was actually much easier
@@norske_ow3440 Yea I agree, because skill mattered and also teamwork, now even with great team work you can still get obliterated by 3 guys who kinda know how to throw r27s.
"im not talking about the roadmap all video, because its probably been beat to death at this point"
MatAWG - "hold my beer" **releases another 15 videos about it*
he uploads a lot but he is goated
@@BrainRot227No he is not. His content is mid at best. Mat literally just milks the same topics over and over every update cycle, to the point where seeing his videos pop up in my feed makes me question if I’m in a time loop. And he’s inaccurate about shit ALL THE TIME. Its kinda ridiculous
@@GrapeFlavoredAntifreeze bros recent was if the f2 would be getting added, aircraft that wouldnt be and also he does that incredibly well, hating just to hate fr
@@BrainRot227 The would be at least his 5th video about whether the F-2 is going to get added, and he doesn’t even base his assumptions off of anything, he just takes a wild fucking guess at what aircraft are going to be added each update, makes 20 million 10 minute videos on the same thing, and has like a 10% success rate on correctly guessing aircraft that are getting added. His content is two steps away from brain rot, and you sound like you’re just one of his ride or die fangirls. Most of the community thinks he’s a goofy goober, because he is. The dude refuses to get better at speaking english, despite his content being in english, and his gameplay is nothing to write home about. He’s just another milk the algorithm youtuber, and literally any approach informative WT content is infinitely more appealing than his. His only redeeming quality is that since he makes videos about everything, he occasionally makes videos in interesting topics, but its like maybe one in every 7 or 8 videos he makes. He’s the definition of quantity over quality
@@BrainRot227 Is youtube shadowbanning my comments what the hell I just had a whole thing typed out and now its gone
Decreasing the amount of players to 8v8 would open a door for decompression in toptier as there would have to be half the player for a game to start, but no better keep the greed train going.
I would like 8 vs across the board
And if not 8, 10, absolute max
@@legendbee9579returning to 12v12 would be nice for lower BRs, but it'll take a long time for gaijin to admit that jets are not a case of one size fits all.
@@Xiphactinus what gaijin did was making the maps bigger and increase teams which is just not needed at least they can make it so you spawn on second airfield get the engagement going instead of forcing us to watch Netflix
Tbh 16v16 isn’t bad it’s just the spawn points aren’t good for such big games. Bigger maps, sim esque spawns, and objectives would make 16v16 so much more fun
If it's frustrating then it's probably intentional.
I agree that is probably something about the servers being bad so they can't run more battles without getting better servers, but I wish they at least would give us a comment on this issue so we know if they are working on it and if they think it needs to be changed or if they want to keep it the same way for whatever reason. Just knowing what they think about the 16v16 issue would be awesome.
What about 8v8 in night battle, they gave us that but can't do it for top air?
They can make the maps bigger with 2 spawns further away from each other, each spawn starts with 8 players each. Kind of like what gaijin does in Ground RB.
this would be a great addition in the bvr update
To add to the conspiracy I think they don’t make smaller games is to make the stock grind without the full missile load or chaff worse so people spend ge on modifications
Ground night battle is 8v8, they did add 8v8 to the game but just won't for the top air
i think they shoud just add different gamemodes like 8v8, 10v10,12v12 and 16v16 for the liking of players. if you want dynamic games you select 12v12 or 16v16 and for more chill ones just go 8v8 or 10v10. Today i saw that players online count was at ! 250 000! at that moment, so decompression and longer waiting times in the lobby wont be a problem itsefl even with 100 000 players online. And just personally i'd love to see EC type of gamemode for RB back. Just to use multirole purpose of top tier planes like F-16C or Grippen and attack ground units a bit and go hunt for other players just like in SIM battles. Those solutions would take little to zero effort for gaijin to add since everything (apart from decompression) is just already in game or realtively easy to implement (like smaller lobbies). But why even bother, just take super advanced top tier planes and put them into the most arcade and basic head-on type of battle that last 3 minutes at large.
If servers and cost was the entire reason behind the change the whole time that would be beyond frustrating, also good to see you have a working PC again :)
to be honest, i really respect your braveness to be able to speak up about these kind of stuff that are really sensitive towards Gaijin. You literally explained everything and also exactly what we've been having in this game lately or in general i would say. I hope gaijin see this video and listens to their players, because if not, there's probability that people are just too infuriated are going to make an action to kind of shut the game off or do stuff we could'nt imagine. And yes it could affect to all of us if that "worst scenario" happens. Keep it up man, you've represented us very well in this explaination video. sorry about my english, its not my first language so yeah, im suck at it.
RB EC would def improve a lot of people’s opinion of air, if it was coupled with the removal of AI and ground targets affecting the outcomes of standard air. 16v16 is def a problem for top tier. But overall ARB is a TDM and always will. Gaijin continues to try and please two different crowds. Also EC had the issue where missiles stopped working after and hour or so… i wonder of that has something to do with it 🤔
everyone always talks about bigger maps, more/less people, wider distances from af, why not like 4 spawns on each side? really use the entire map? and then as more people die the names get revealed permantently, I think it would make a little bit better challenge
RB really could use a revamp. The match set ups, objective design, and general design of RB for air is generally dogshit at this point in the game in general. It’s too simplistic, too illogical, and causes 90% of the issues existing in the mode, including ticket drain, airbase camping, lack of variety in gameplay, the spamming of a single vehicle (mainly premium ones), dragged out matches, etc…
The current modes just don’t cut it, and need to be fixed before any more changes are made.
Congrats man. Glad to see your channel grow.
Totally agree but I think its two main things; bigger servers make it easier for noobs to get kills which drives engagement, and server limitations too. This is probably also why repeat maps are so common now, its a lot less demanding to keep the same map loaded on a server for multiple games than load a new one every time
he's only asking to downsize the player count on top tier servers.... ain't no-one a noob at that tier after the grind to get there.
Congrats man!
Appreciate the shoutouts over the years ❤️
as far as i know this relationship gaijin has with its community, not just a forum but a discord with direct line to its most influential players, is totally unique and so it’s a real head scratcher they still move in such mystery, although they are way more responsive than they used to be
it's cool, but they don't really care what we say. It's more for show I suspect.
The main problem is that they don't respect their playerbase or our time whatsoever.
Threatening to remove the game from steam while insulting us was the proof we needed when people tried to force feedback at a fraction of what they force onto us.
Congrats of revshare my neighbor, I bet you’re getting a decal before me 🫠
You had me at conspiracy.
the thing is, by solving 16v16 u can probably also solve br compression. if the matches take less players to fill, then, for example, a 12.7 match doesnt need to go search players with less than 12.3, avoiding the supposed qeue problems gaijin mentioned.
Valid conspiracy. Really happy about fuel sliders being added tho. It’s extremely logical. I just wish they fixed their fuel timers for once so it adjusts the time with your throttle setting. Another thing I’m pissed about bc it’s been fucked since day one of modern HUDs and the sim community is decently vocal about it. The damn flight path marker is not correct, it still doesn’t and never has matched the correct one in the virtual hud view.
the hud thing really irks me, especially on a jet like the Su-25 where if i decide i wanna do some ground pounding and shoot off my R-60Ms before dropping bombs my gunsight defaults to the bomb mode which is annoying and i lose the gyro sight. I know jets like the F-15 have a sight mode for “cannon on air target”, maybe something like that can solve it
I got a war thunder ad before and after this video
I still remember when they started mixed nations top tier in air rb when F-86F2 was king. Said it was a temporary measure to improve wait times, which at the time were usually about five minutes. Only a few seconds now, but we never got proper nations teams back
Thanks for saving my ass there @ 2:05 Lmaoo he was about to get me (I’m AiRic6922)
That 16vs16 should be a button under "To Battle" so we can choose from 5vs5 to 16vs16
I mean didn`t they add this change 2 or 3 years ago? It just slowly eroded back to its prior status as something half half. The system used to be very strict usally the first doing any significant damage gets the kill unless a good amount of time has passed.
Been looking for more good war thunder channels. Glad I stumbled on ya! Def getting a sub from me! Can't wait to see your decal!
I like 16v16 :( I just wanna have a new map design with multiple airports, more airbases and overall more areas where things are happening and not everyone is meeting in the middle.
The severe damage mechanic has nothing to do with solving killstealing, in fact it might even encourage killstealing depending on the reward split. The "problem" they were attempting to solve is those moments where people are considered dead but are able to fly around
Dude, Congrats! Seen most of your vids. Love em' all.
I once got a 13v13 top tier game it was so good
i think its more the running cost of servers than not wanting to get rid of old servers
I'm pretty sure running two 8v8 matches puts less load on the servers than one 16v16 match. The player activity is significantly higher and the server has to perform much more calculations to keep all the players in sync
All gaijin has to do is implement a assist counts as kill system and kill stealing wouldn’t be an issue.
that may interfere with the tickets/points system. If 2 players both score a kill on 1 jet, the system may count that as 2 kills in the overall points.
At almost 40 years of age, I long accepted that kill (or goal) steals are just part of gaming culture.
The slightest server desync will turn you AIM-7Ms and R-27ERs into bananas
and playing on the same map over and over is just a way for Gaijin to study the composition of matches
I just want a air RB mode that has some cool objectives that actually make people want to play for them to win the match. You have to defend your points but also attack the enemy points....or maybe you have to kill...I don't know, some SAM's to be able to get close to bomb the target.....or enemy bomber formation are going to launch cruse missiles at your bases....intercept them....the enemy has to defend them until launch and keep them alive. I don't know sounds cool to me.
Thats almost sounds like EC which is already here but in sb,they can just make Realistic EC and that will be good
No boosters is the way to go with the Su-27. I was ripping way too much with that equipped.
I always love a good conspiracy theory!
I just gave up playing top tier air rb it’s really annoying dodging 3 missiles just to die by a 4th one you never seen because you were worried about the other 3 missiles
I'd love some new gamemodes like a more realistic gamemode but not simulator controls, basically grb settings but in air without the arcadey pop ups to show where missiles are and stuff
The real issue is the snail has never once made a good map for this game
Casual 7k
There’s always gotta be some luck at top tier for that many kills
omg this is exactly what ive been thinking as well!
peak of warthunder content
Actually, for jets in Air Arcade 8v8 are quite common and even 6v6 are a thing, the lower count of player basically force the matchmaker to do with what is available, 16v16 are not that common, they mostly happen around the 10.0-12.0 BR range, where the premiums packs are, and they are still quite rare there, until you have an event and a peak time combined.
I’m am going to schlurp up that decal
I enjoy the chaos of 16v16
Well the vast majority don’t. It would be fine if it was a gamemode. But if there is no choice in the matter the game should do well by the majority, not the minority.
Honestly all they need to do is make Air RB into Air RB EC. Spawns cost SL and matches are hours long. You can come and go as you please.
They do t wanna listen becaus if you half the player count you double the server costs
Been asking for new game modes for 10 years
I might play with the un equipping boosters upgrade.
I believe that the 16v16 has to stay because if they change it back to 8v8 the reward system for kills doesn’t make sense as you have to get half the lobby for max rewards, this sucks for grinding.
I am really excited to see what the decal is (also when stream :3)
How do you survive flying high in top tier air rb? Ive tried it so many times in the mirage 2k and 4k, but i always get smacked by a radar missile before i even get to altitude.
Stay tuned for the next video!
It comes down to money. If they reduce from 16v16 it will help make the grind easier. Less grind to Gaijin might mean less money in their mind. The server issue does make sense also, more matches is more work for servers which could result in the need for more servers.
16v16 would be cool if it was split to two groups of 8v8 on a very large map, where the survivors finish the fight in the middle of the map
It would be even better if top tier would get an objective based game mode
Agree 100%. 16 vs 16 is really hated and Gaijin never addresses it. Air RB is just a huge mess.
i would actually like to see bigger games and more top tier modes. enduring confrontation air rb would get so many players in top tier, it's dumb they ever removed it.
In 8v8 the problem arises that 4 squad groups in VC will rule the air and quite easily.
They already do. When I 4 man I literally win 100% of matches, not exaggerating
and even for ground they still havent addressed the awful RP rewards nor did they say they will
What about 16v 16 but there are 6 land strips with teams split into two different areas and then the middle two are for ai strike planes and are objectives. Or simpler just 4 runways
Im fine with 16v16 but they should have like 6 different spawns across a far larger ec type map to make seperate engagements possible so that the longer range missles and radars are useful and it is actually spread out, an 8v8 is still the same missles getting launched at you in a close range as they will have more for each player imo
That’s an awful idea, what if 4 people spawn on the left, but the other team has 10 people there. It would just be like a slot machine. Eventually people will only spawn on the left spawn, as to not get outnumbered, just like the current “go left” rule.
@@pliatfair point if they did this i think they should make u forcefully spawn at one and if u have a squad then just adjust it
@@jinkxer1 at that point, you might as well just be playing 4v4s
@@pliatNot rlly it spreads it out so bvr is possible but it doesnt make it a furballl at the center so
@@pliatbasically ec
the killsteal thing isn't a fix. you're still going to have teammates wasting positioning, energy, and ammo on planes that are already dead, putting your team at a disadvantage just to get some points.
they already do that now, its called kill stealing
it is a fix as it would disincentivize kill stealing in general
i guess the point we should focus on here is, you still get the good reward as if you shot down the plane, wich in fact you did. there will be idiots wasting their precious time/energy to get some of the cake, but thats non of my problems anymore, they do them.
Do you think that the creators on the wt discord have different opinions depending on the platform they make content on, or are you all saying the same thing?
We’re all saying the same thing, but tik toker opinions don’t count anyway
@@SeekerHead hey, that's not very nice I'm trying to get in through tiktok
Good luck 😂
I'm glad you're getting a decal, just annoyed/confused Tim's Variety still doesn't get one, he deserves one too imo.
He doesn't get the consistent viewership numbers Gaijin requires to be accepted into the program, that's the only reason.
I love 16v16 games, alot of kills compaired to the short 8v8 and gaijin upgrades their own server almost every maintenance they dont have crappy servers, as it has to handle console n pc playing the game while different people from different countries
Guys im really really confused is that not the su27? The su27 has a 10km max lock range? How do you do that!??!?! (Omg i figured it out what)
As I use to rent servers for counter strike one 32 person server was nearly 100 dollars a month. Trust me your 100 percent right
if they made more objectives so that people spread out it wuld be so bad
maybe individual objectives per player
I think the 16v16 isn’t a bad thing. But the way it was implemented is bad. Add new spawn points at the top and bottom of each side of the map and split the team down the middle. Double the amount of bases and ground targets to attack so the strikers and ground pounding phantoms have something to do while the rest of us go and fight the enemy team
However you didnt have r27s at the end😂. However do we want to talk how OP is the su27?
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Let's start with the fact you overuse the word "however".
I so despeerately wish they would bring back that EC mode they had a fea years ago, where it took SL to spawn and it was like 500 KMs wide, with multiple spawning adjectives, multiple spawn points etc. but i also wish theyd have a permanent 4v4 or 8v8 mode with regular sized maps and pure deathmatch. The matchmaker times are kinda long depending on what youre playing but for the most part i think the playerbase can handle 2 modes. I really do get tired of playing the game on the same mode all the time. I can only play the game for like 2-3 hours at a time without wanting to unalive myself. Its genuinely a mind numbing experience at this point.
No map has been 500km/Sq.
131km/Sq is largest so far.
But yes ARB-EC as perma option would be sooooooooo nice.
and the small team small map tdm would be nice for dogfighting without 200+ missiles per team.
Yup aint nothing like you beating a enemy down and then a scumbag comes and knicks the enemy and they get the kill I still get that happening to me, also wish they really fixt the part where you shot the enemy and they decide to ram you and they get the kill when you actually did most the damage to them and you get robbed.
i think they shoud start whit 12 players just to see how it feels, because i still wanna get kills so i think 8 is to small but whit the current 16 player state i can litterly regularly get aces and loose because 5 kills have no impact these days and thats kinda crazy so deffo 10-12 players i think woud be best also considering some of the map sizes
I genuinely wouldn’t mind 16vs16 if they could update the bloody Air RB game mode, add more actual objectives force players to do them force players to split up and go to different objectives and make objectives actually worth it (forcing) people to do them. People will then have smaller groups clashing on the different objectives and such. So there will still be kills to be had. And more fun and team play within the community. I don’t understand why Gaijin are so against making the game more enjoyable and interesting to play. Same goes for Ground RB where are the different modes. Like
Fucking blitz objectives, king of the hill, reapply point from helicopter and much more. Like literally the possibilities are endless, we have naval, ground, and air but we still have the most basic ass gamemodes to have ever existed.
16 v 16 would mean waiting long in que for a match... longer... que times???? Ive heard that one before
Here's some more "conspiracy theories".
1. Less players = Less kills for people who buy their way into top tier = Less people buying p2w packs = Less profits
2. Less players = Easier stock grind = No need to GE mods = Less profits
3. Less players = Some tech tree Jets become playable and enjoyable = Less f2p player frustration = It would be more effective to talisman those jets instead of buying a p2w pack = Less profits
4. Less players = Experienced players will have space and time to strategize and approach engagements like in prop tiers = Rofl stomping on people who bought their way to top tier = Less people buying their way in = Less profits
And here's another fun fact. Gaijin blocked every single comment that mentions this change in the recent road map blog. I know because me and my friends tried.
Honestly, I think maps size and position of things is a bigger problem. 16vs16 can work if they could split players among map. Adding new AF and making a limit for players per field will make so much for arb. Ye, its like a bootleg form of 8vs8, but its still much better than it is now
I also wish they would add AWACS and radar sites to RB and sim
@@Epic_candle Snail cant make bombers work, what are they going to do with awacs? But if they would be AI plane, they will be shooted down first or it will be just good form of a spotting system
@@qumader make them a mission target while also assisting players would be cool
yall remember pixel gun 3d? They have a game mode called "squads" its basically 3v3.
i think gaijin should add the classic team modes in realistic, and the squad game mode where its 3v3 or 4v4
4v4 with your buds would be so much fun
Only thing i can think(where i acctually want more players in toptier) is when i stock grind. I believe stockgrinding vs fewer planes would make grinding alot harder. But that is the ONLY thing i see as any form of reason(this might just be me thinking this)
Could always just increase the rewards per kill to compensate
@@SeekerHead for sure, but sneaking of a kill to get outta stock is easier in a swarm was all i meant
The reason for 16v16 is not server based, its meta based. They give US jets better maneuverability, and Russian jets stiff flight models with better missiles. In 16v16 maneuverability means little, and who has the best missiles and can carry the most missiles as well as deploy them effectively (HMS). 16v16 is designed for the SU-27 and any other missile bus that can field 10 of the best missiles in the game. You turn in 16v16 and you die to one of the other 15 enemies. Meanwhile R-27ERs and anything that can field a lot of them are kings of the 16v16 meta.
16 vs 16 works for WW2 planes but not for higher tiers. Here's what i would do: first i would split matchmaking by era so planes in Vietnam era will not be fighting planes from Korean era even if they are within BR range with some planes having dual citizenship and being allowed in both (F-4J and S for example will be in both Vietnam and top tier while F-4C or F-100 will be allowed in both Vietnam and Korean era matches if within their BR range).
Next i would adjust team size based on these eras.
WW2 games 16 vs 16 with a limit up to 6 bombers and attackers (in any ratio) per team
Korean war era planes with up to AIM-9B or equivalent missiles 10 vs 10 with up to 3 bombers/attackers
Vietnam era 6 vs 6 with up to 2 bombers/attackers
top tier 4 vs 4
And for the love of god add EC in air RB.
TBH I love how the lies just compile. They cant decompress the battle ratings because it would make the queue times to long but yet upping the player count in each battle is fine. Your conclusion about them saving money is the only thing Ive come up with for them not lowering the player count per battle. Its BS and i dont look forward to the fox 3 spamming with 32 people in a single battle.
Not sure lowering the number of players is what's needed. Bigger maps with objectives so its not 16 vs 16 going left then furball and whoever's lucky enough survives definitely needs to change. They need to split people up and make them think about winning rather than just blow their missile load, get as many kills as possible, and repeat.
i play from 2014 i was 1 year older than u o7 mate good vid as always!
you don t need to take out the boosters mod, you can have it on as long as you re above mach 1.15 which it can do and maintain easily. If you keep that speed you can run circles around the gripen and if he tries to pull into you he will just bleed of speed and allow you to maintain 26 degrees per second at that speed and sling R73 at him
This is a unique take
@@SeekerHead give it a try
Gripen always wins
My god, this video just makes me so much more infuriating about the R-27ER. What a bullshit missile coupled with bullshit RU radars.
RU radars suck ass compared to western radars tf are you on about
@@Wienerslinky in War Thunder they are made nearly equal, while indeed, NATO radars should be way better, even in older planes. But alas, the Russians need Gaijins Hand Holding.
@@Wienerslinkysu27 has better radar capabilities than the f15 in wt
@@DigitalShaolin
You must be smoking something not from this planet if you actually think that lmao
@@Wienerslinky the aim7s are not even close to the r27er, the su27 also has TWS and a very good radar lmao. the f15 stands no chance in bvr with the su27, stop complaining about a plane with the best missiles in game
Air Arcade has 8v8. I don't understand why Air rb can't have it
Props should stay 16vs16 or anything but 8vs8 its not enough maybe like 10 or 12 minimum for props and as the br goes up the number of player by game go down pretty much how it has evolved in real life before plane used to be big squadron and later its at been rare to see more then 3/4 planes working together.
damn... i still had some hope... :(
I don't mind the 16v16 but they need to get rid of the huge maps for air RB
Arcade too there are just stupidly big maps
creator link is huge 🗣️
If they don't want to address the 16v16 issue then they should at least keep top tier in the largest maps and have two spawns that are decently far apart for each team. I think that would help somewhat.
they should make it like on ground RB but force 8 players at 1 spawn and 8 at the other
I don't think reducing players per match would impact servers significantly. I think its more that Gaijin still believes, and has repeatedly stated themselves, that they are of the mindset that players don't know what would make the game better, and therefore they refuse any criticism like this
The only explanation I have for gaijin increasing the number of players in the top tier is to make it faster and transform AIR RB top tier into a fast grind mode, but everyone who likes AIR RB lost out, because the mode already it was bad
I mean you could be right, but on the other hand, they left out a lot of really requested changes of multiple big problems and instead put some nice qol changes and ne mechanics nobody asked for in the roadmap
Maybe keep 16v16 but just make the maps like sim battles and up the rewards of all of the game modes since the maps would be bigger, probably not arcade but u get what I mean right?
I mean you know top tier is not good when you give one nation an aircraft that is 10 years newer than the other nations
i just want mig29k