Gaijin's NEW REWARD System SOLVES Stealing | War Thunder
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- Опубліковано 19 лют 2024
- Overall this mechanic has a lot of potential, but needs extra attention for gun kills.
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So basically the new reward is the “assist counts as kill” mechanic that battlefield has
Similar, not fully though as the reward spread is different
This is def the text they could use in game, first thing i thought of
Thats what im saying
Except the "assist count as kill" is a "kill count as kill" since u get full rewards
Said the same yesterday when some dude asked..
This simple sentence sums up what Gaijin took PAGES to explain
"Assist counted as kill" would be better for the text for someone you critted getting finished off
Gaijin trying to reinvent the wheel.
@@FirstDaggerGaijin devs have the programming skills, but lack any game dev skills. So many design decisions in this game are atrocious.
Or mission kill
"Assist counted as kill" makes sense in FPS games with fixed health totals and no practical difference between full health and almost dead, but not in War Thunder. Someone flatspinning on fire isn't alive, they shouldn't be considered alive, and the kill should already be fully counted. The teammate vaporising a dead plane doesn't deserve anything, they aren't helping anyone or changing anything, they are just lazily mopping up rewards for doing almost nothing.
Considering the text is "The kill for severely damaged aircraft counted", I think they did type out "severe damage count as kill" in Russian and just Google translated it
Gaijin finally trying to improve the game for a bit (please decompress br ranges gaijin)
They have to be careful how they decompress br's cause it causes massive gaps when they do
Br decompression = more games. Gaijin servers not good enough for too many games at the same time. Gaijin has to realize WT isn’t a small game that not a whole lot of people play anymore, and upgrade their servers so br decompression is actually possible. This is also the same issue on why gaijin only makes top tier 16v16, they can’t handle too many games at the same time
@@leithbuchanan2077 Yes they would have to be careful but they do not have to be too careful. It would be hard to make the compression issue worse than it currently is considering you have planes like the F-104 and the A-10/Su-25 ruining entire matchmakers
@@cheeselordthe11th47 Not necessarily. If the games were the same size with the same number of players each day there would not be much more strain on the servers at all. They should upgrade their servers and reduce it to like 12v12 in my opinion but we will see.
@@kevydaboss1014 try playing 10.0 it's broken ATM constant upteirs and in the road map veichles are supposed to be getting separate br for air and ground battles
That text "A kill of a severely damaged aircraft counted" is just ridiculously long.
I don't know who approved this at Gaijin. Terrible design.
@@sujimayne fr
It’s obviously placeholder.
Missile warning used to be “The Rocket Has Launched” when missiles first entered WT
Guys.. it's custom
@@lukereyes6266 It isn't custom
I think the reason you didn’t get severe damage in the prop game was because it was arcade mode. It is known that in arcade planes are much more survivable than in realistic battles. So that might be the reason.
this
Arcade is kind of funky. Either you take millions of hits or you get down in one single shot. There is no in-between, and I'm one of those arcade players that used the high caliber low tier planes.
Which does beg the question of why they're running the test on Arcade by default for the low and mid tier tests
@@Allstar-yl1ek I’m guessing because mid to low tier air rb is too slow with all the climbing. And most of the playerbase are short attention span tiktok kids who play arcade and can’t handle rb style tactics required.
@@439sparky1 I will agree that nobody seems to have the time to play tactically anymore but honestly skill levels in both modes seem pretty consistent until top tier, where it kinda skews the opposite way
This was the perfect chance for them to test to 8v8
A lot of people had smaller games, I for one did not.
Why would they test 8v8 if that's not what they want? We want 8v8, gaijin is perfectly happy with 16v16.
@@SeekerHead yeah my buddy and I got like 5 or 6 small matches in a row and it was amazing. You could really make an impact on the outcome of games with a few kills.
Mans got that Arizona Green Tea with Ginseng and Honey F-16
arizona tea for the win
Best thing about this "event" are smaller top tier matches :P The new kill system is great too imo
Never got one of the mystical smaller matches myself
@SeekerHead oh really, I played like 10 matches earlier this day and biggest Air RB match I had was 10v10, unlucky for you I suppose
This will make the one wing F-15 even stronger, W
If it benefits the F-15 in any way, Lee happy.
@@dilldoe1991if it benefits the F-15 in any way, it will not come to the live servers/matches
@@Iden_in_the_Rainare you just going to ignore that the F-15 is at 12.3?
@@MumuInc honestly yeah I forgot about it, but that’s the one thing they’ve done. There’s no reason to bring it to 12.7 anyways, it’s not on par with anything there rn
@@Iden_in_the_Rain it’s leagues ahead of the SMT, near equal to Su-27, it should definitely be 12.7
When you said that props do take more for severe damage at 6:03. I have noticed that planes in arcade can take a lot more damage and keep flying, that could be something to do with it.
Only negative thing about this is they will probably double if not triple task requirements.
thats a good thing
The fuck are you on about?@@hmkjuygj7t
Definitely need to refine the text for when an ally finishes off the kill.
If severe damage results in 80% of the points then crit assists should count as 40-60% or even assists count as kill especially if critted.
Love the new vid Seek! I really enjoyed this new test event tbg with the sizes and assist count as kill, was cool to see you in some of the matches too!
4:05 Thats actualy an importent point i have had it happen some times now that if i had my wing shot off or something and was spinning to wards the ground if i j out or return to menu it will count as a suicide in the sense that you have to pay for full repairs instead of the repair over time mechanic. The guy that shot me down of cause still got the kill.
the props being less severe damaged is because severe damage is only given when the enemy plane is technically unfliable, some props manage to fly even with a wing off unlike jets for some gaijin aaaa reason so maybe that's why
Seeker head with the usual W
Thanks man :)
"Aircraft finished off" or "Assist Counted as kill" would be much better than the paragraph they currently have.
Seek your cool man. Your vid’s help me get better at the game. I just got to top tier and I’m watching your stuff on repeat. Keep it up man!
This sound a lot like "assist counts as kill" from battlefield.
Also a game called Mordhau has a good way of doing it, when someone dies you get points equal to the percentage of damage done to that enemy
Ahhhh the arcade air footage brings back memories. I grinded my way to top tier in arcade with japan and the amount of mongoloids that just hold S after merging at 600+ ias is insane.
will this effect the fish season over in abu dhabi?
Yes, some of the fishes will be harder to catch because they will spend more time at home playing the F-15 in war thunder and crying
A few days ago in air RB, I got the kill for a plane someone else shot and crippled (it was going to crash if my missile didn't hit). When I looked at the points breakdown for both myself and the other guy I saw that my total was 1300 for 3 kills vs 1200 for 2 kills + 1 assist for the other guy.
So I'm not sure if the changes made here actually change the points allocation or just relabel it.
Maybe this will stop people from teamkilling for "kill stealing" though, like that guy did to me.
I'm very excited about the mechanic.
Next they should introduce manouver kills counting as kills. I've had countless encounters where my opponent crashed into the side of a mountain or the ground after 5 minutes of fighting and its really disappointing when you get nothing out of it.
Hot damn, I legit just saw you in a game like 30 min ago. And now your channel popped up
I think the text should just be the entire first chapter of industrial society and its future or something, wouldn't be a big difference in length
Ok, one thing I noticed at 4:10, it being a red message is probably not good because I definitely thought that was a kill, but it was only severe damage. I could see that tripping me up.
This wouldn't have been needed if they wouldn't have broken what's considered as a kill. It used to be that all of those things that are considered severe damage gave you the kill. I remember when the F4E was top dog and I'd get my wing blown off, kill was given to the person that shot me but I was still barely flying, and could make it back if I was lucky or skilled enough to repair. Now you blow off someones wings, elevators, and control systems and they're plummeting to earth with it saying they're still alive.
I'm shocked they are even considering a change that would be a net buff to gained points
On the contrary, I think this change is amazing for props. No more satisfaction for spray and pray 50cal warriors. But better chance for props with high caliber low ammunition guns where you actually have to conserve ammo and aim to score kills.
I'm little confused with this mechanic. It sounds good but at the same time when stock grinding a jet 1/3 of my kills were kill steals, but after researching chaff and better missiles i stopped kill stealing. I imagine other players do that too to help with the stock grind.
Hopefully it comes in
The only problem i had was that once i didnt get severe damage. I hit a mig 29 with a radar missile and he started flat spinning. I belive i knocked his tail off but he wasnt on fire. The game didnt count it as severe damage or even a hit. My teammate finished him off and i didnt get anything for it. Hopefully they fix this.
Will this only be in Air or Ground for air vehicles too? Gaijin communications use so many words but clarify so little...
As for never hitting with a missile without getting severe damage/kill, I look forward to hitting F-84's side aspect with Iglas and seeing Hit, Hit, Hit as usual xD
Stealing is the only way a lot of useless stock planes grind out of the stock starting hole.
Would love to see the upgrade grind per plane lessened
I've asked for something like this for years, then they add it literally the day after my motherboard dies so I can't even try it :^)
Saw a lot of people going into this mode at top tier with 0 clue as to how it works. But being able to play 11.0-12.0 in games that frequently aren't 16 vs. 16 right now is kinda nice. I do think the overall effect of this new mechanic is good explicitly at top tier. Seeing what you displayed for props there... I can understand the concerns. Something I feel is overlooked is the fact you shouldn't have people with black names (Dead players as the game would consider it) still flying around slinging off missiles. It's now clear that someone can still be a threat... and if someone else finishes them... cool. They get a bit for it and we both get kill credit on the stat side of things. Something that seems to be confusing people is the actual SL and RP rewards. Good example of this is at 2:03 when you gun the F-16 and a friendly hit them right after giving you the unnecessarily long description of teammate finishing them off. You see the Reward didn't change whatsoever from the Severe Damage instance (which is 80% of the reward of a full kill). If the guy had crashed anytime after without anyone else doing anything or "finishing" them, you would receive the remaining 20% of the SL and RP for the obvious total of 100% for a full kill. So basically if someone yoinks that... you're not missing out much... you still get a kill to your stats, if that's important to you... and teammate gets one to while getting a 40% SL and RP reward of a full kill.
the chat in the first game was just as entertaining to watch as the actual video😂
Actually the fixed br of 12
0-11.0 test felt better tbh. For once no/some r73, aim9m...
Felt good.
this applies to ground battles as well?
They could implement something like Overwatch 2 has. If 2 players hit an enemy there it counts for both equaly.
should be like bf, severe damage counts as kill
Also the 11.0 to 12.0 bracket is amazing
Me in my stock MiG-23M be like
Its good in the endgame, but its really hard to survive the initial missile spam and try to help out/get kills
@@a.anonymous1318 i think it's the mixed teams that makes it harder to survive.
The Phoenix forces you to hug the ground and the R-27ER won't let you get close.
other than that, If you survive the initial assault you'll have fun, I know I did
@@r3tr0a82 yep. I'll probably get better with time. 23M has surprised me (in a positive way) with its dogfighting capablities, I know the MLD is gonna be better
@@a.anonymous1318 the difference is unreal. you'll see for yourself
Im pretty sure the prop tier severe damage you have complaints about is because the event is in arcade rather than realistic
this may make it worse for how ur team plays. Could go either way, the Crit notice should have never been removed from the kill feed. That started it all.
is this being brought to tanks as well?
Does that also mean if you Land a crit and then an assist counted as kill on the same guy later you get reduced rewards?
No, it’ll total to the normal kill amount.
If the split was 95/5 I’d be in favour it. To me, that better addresses the kill stealing issue. Because there’s still nothing stopping someone from TKing someone from kill stealing. Letting someone take 20-40% of a plane spiraling to the ground in a ball of fire just doesn’t sit right with me.
I would share my defyn mug with you.
Lee fan!!!!
This is really good change for the game they really need to add this to the main game
seekさん、いつもありがとう
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i got a crit with an aim-7m and it didnt give me anything
Yesterday I got a Hit! with a magic 2 on a F16A ADF 🥰
Edit : Was this added on test server ? because i don't get it on live air rb
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Except for the new event cycle everything is honestly going very well!
@@cheeselordthe11th47 if we don't get a reduction in player count when amraam's are added I am gonna sell my account for fentanyl
Battlefield 4's Assist counts as a kill
The text should change to ‘’Assist counted as kill’’
Didn’t realise someone else commented this
Dont forget that damage output is reduced in AB
Yes, I didn't catch this, but nonetheless sawing somebody's wing off should instantly grant severe damage
Well, now I wont have to teamkill kill stealers, good for saving up sl hahaha
there's really not too much to be mad about kill stealing anymore
@@SeekerHead thats great ngl, this new mechanic might motivate players to play more as a team and be a little bit less selfish on certain situations
@@SeekerHeadI can stick to teamkilling fighters taking off with full bomb loads instead.
Is this live yet?
severe damage should be counted when a plane becomes an easy kill for anyone since they can't maneuver to defend
There is a big problem with your suggestion to lower the bar for severe damage (or potentially just with this new mechanic in general): Many undeserved and unfair deaths.
Since this change also makes it so "At the end of a battle, all severely damaged aircraft will be considered destroyed." It would be very, very annoying to have a match that ends while we have non-fatal damage count as a death.
You won a headon with the last enemy but took a crit? Death.
You're crit and need to kill AI or you'll lose on tickets while the enemies camp? Win and take the death or survive and lose on tickets.
You're 1v2 at the end of a match and get crit by the first enemy, but you could still kill the second? Kill him and win but also die, or give up all your energy to land and repair.
Yeah but the only realistic mode for the event is high tier. The other two are arcade. Gaijin has pretty much forgotten people still play props and non-afterburning jets.
Any eta for the Decal being ready?
It’s finished now, I just submitted it to Gaijin so it’s out of my hands now, no way of knowing
I prefer it to be called "Kill confirmed by ally" or "Kill secured by ally" because "A kill of a severely damaged aircraft counted" feels like an absolute mouthful, like you are reading the name to a Japanese Isekai Light Novel or something.
"Assist counted as kill"
The teammate didn't do anything, they just sped up the plane crash, why do they deserve anything at all?
So if someone finishes the critically damaged plane does it show for them as assist or kill for the person finishing it off?
Both players tally kills
@@SeekerHead ok thats actually pretty nice.
don't care much about the SL/RP reward, but counting as a kill on the card is great
Kill confirmed sounds better tbh
honestly think they should add gifs to warthunder chat
oh god
@@SeekerHead like i just wanna react to shit with the rock gif
Is it just me or is the max quality 480p? Anyways it doesn’t matter love the content
Mine max is 1080
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anyone else watching the teamkill argument in chat?
In other words, is this a shared kill concept?
Basically, with whoever does the initial damage getting considerably more reward
which means i can now steal kills without being tk'ed by that angry dude
You're the reason we needed this
@@fate3071 dont get me wrong, i never intensionally steal kills. Sometime my teammate got crit on the enemy immediately after I fired the missile and I got the kill at the end. In case of this happened, this mechanics will perfectly settle down teammate's angry.
@jeffreyhe5392 man now I feel bad because you hit me with facts and logic
it doesnt help kill stealing really
they should just have made it that kill assists give a better reward
this distracts from the true villain which is kill assists
and this new severe damage mechanic will be made worse in the near future so that we will get a net negative of rewards
i guarantee it
Plane
But why not just give me the full reward for the kill and give the kill stealer a simple assist?
So they renamed "critical hit" to "severe damage" and made kill stealers still get a piece of the cake. ok....
Kill stealers get less reward than they did before.
finALLLLYYYY
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What do you have against the French? *Evidence*
First video i've commented on where im the first person to comment YAAAAY! Also W vid btw, keep up the good work Seek!
I get 40% for kill stealing now? And the guy who did the hard work gets 80%? Sounds like an insensitive to be lazy and stay back.
Don't let the thoughts win
Help
Shhhhhh it's okay, go to sleep now NO
It's obviously a bad incentive for useless teammates to chase dead planes, but of course the Snail doesn't care, and the trash tier players are celebrating.
I am of two minds on kill stealing because in other games I play like Counter-Strike there really isn't a concept of kill ceiling because you just want the enemy player dead so you can win the round so if I see someone's in a battle with a tank and there's a newly disabled tank and I can take a kill shot I'm going to take the kill shot it seems to me that's the only way to play the most competitively
The other mind is that kill stealing sucks and like I want my kill
Except this isn't an FPS, someone on "full health" and someone who's almost dead are a vastly different threat level. Some dude in CS with 1 health can still headshot you from any distance, a crippled fighter, let alone one on fire or flatspinning, is probably entirely incapable of harming anyone before they crash. Rewarding people for shooting planes in these situations is a bad incentive that actively hurts teamwork.
But at the same time encourages it...
true, but there's no reason to be mad anymore, you still get credited with a kill.
4v4 lobbies when?
As an Africa American this is against my culture
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literally just give more rp for assist. that easy
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Glad to hear it man!
It seems like an awful idea.
Assists should be valued from 1-99% of a kill's value, but a kill should always be a constant value. Battlefield did this extremely well.
Dividing the kill's value this way will likely result in LESS overall total points being distributed throughout the course of a match.
TLDR: Raising the points from assists = Good. Lowering the points from a kill = Bad.
The total points for kill is the same if you're the one getting the kill start to finish. It's only less if you're finishing off somebody else's kill. Which is not an issue and honestly a good thing, minimal work goes into stealing kills
@@SeekerHead Total points for a kill isnt what I was discussing. The TOTAL points distributed to players is lessened, though.
Yes, but those who deserve the points in the first place are getting more, that’s all that matters
@@SeekerHead Well, that's debatable.
If someone dives after a burning plane, yeah, that's kind of scummy. But if another missile hits a fraction of a second after yours? Not very scummy.
Instead of rewarding 1.99 kills between the two of them, they award 1 kill between the two of you. That causes new problems and increases the overall grind. Now, you have to debate on whether to use your valuable missiles on a target that could be potentially worthless to your grind or just find another target.
I'm not concerned with the punitive aspect of it. I just want the game to acknowledge that the first person did most of the damage and reward them for that. I believe another poster pointed out the "assist counted as kill" system that already exists. That would be preferable, imo.
So rewards are going to get nerfed and we are praising the snail, make it make sense?
Not at all? How did you get “rewards are being nerfed” from this?
They should just remove assists and and severe damage altogether and just reward everyone involved equally. It's team game and it should not matter who scored
yea and the major cash/exp should come from winning the game, that would also stop toptier bomb run amigos.
Why in the world would you think the person who actually fought and killed the enemy plane, and the brainrotted bottomfeeder who shot the flaming wreckage before it hits the ground are equally deserving of rewards? Are you one of these useless worms that chases the first enemy that gets spotted and then cries when the rest of the team doesn't throw away all their altitude to save you?
@@JanLovesBmxYou shouldn't even be able to spawn bombs at the start of an Air RB match in a fighter. I can understand switching to ordinance later in a match to win on tickets, but spawning bombs first thing is actively throwing and I treat it as such. Until Gaijin does something about these useless parasites I'll just keep teamkilling them.
@@XSpamDragonXword I don’t understand how bad some people can be to bomb in the f4 and f5
@@kurnass2000 Usually they are not quite brand new players who bought Rank VII premiums and think that base bombing is the easiest and fastest way to grind the tech tree. The only way this is worth it is if you are completely incapable of playing the game properly and don't care that you wont know how to fly any of the vehicles you grind.
So stats a now no viable this so cry baby stuff 2:35
this system is weird if feel its going to be weird at low brs like 2.0 etc because guns barely do damage
No. Gaijin just don't want you to have a higher reward.
Why not just raise the reward amount and give both players full reward?
Gaijin won't do it because it wants to LIMIT the reward you can get.
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