I´m still amazed how little winter weather does to my kona. in -20c I can easily get 300km of range out of it on a highway and I never charge my battery to full 100%.
In over all length the kona is less than 70mm short but in over all size they are almost idenentical in size. Weight the the kona is a lighter vehicle by 100kg This is something vw need to address But factual yes the vw us the slightly bigger car but it within tolerance to say the are the same it's not like we vw is a class size above its not we talking mm difference so you statement is not creditable the id3 and c Kona are if equal sizes it like saying vw golf is bigger than a Ford focus. They are so close it irrelevant.
The Kona is smaller inside due to it being a repackaged fossil car and not a bespoke EV platform but overall the dimensions are similar. I was mildly surprised to see the ID.3 come out close to the Kona in efficiency. We bought a 2 year old ID.3 because of the extra cabin space and especially extra legroom for rear seat passengers. This is an important factor for us.
Colder air means (somewhat) denser air - so more drag; which is most important the faster you are driving. Aerodynamic drag goes up by the square of the speed, and so the faster you go, the greater the difference is for a given difference in air temperature. A typical car - with a frontal area of about 25 square feet / 2.32 square meters - like these two cars, for each mile / 1.6km that you drive - the car must push 4.5 TONS / 4.1 metric tons of air out of the way. Each and every mile / 1.6km ... that is a lot of weight! So, when the temperature drops, that mass becomes greater.
Mmmhhh, are this really good news for VW? Being as efficient as a BEV, that is based on a 5 years old ICE-platform? OK, from my pov the RWD is the ID.3´s biggest advantage - but price, quality (hw+sw) and long guarantee are big points for Hyundai.
@@rasmussrensen6119 I agree! The real benchmark would be an Ioniq3 hatchback. But this is a dream for the next years and yes, you have to buy an ID.3 if you want the good space efficiency of a bev-designed platform in this class. There is no competitor. As of now ;-)
@@rasmussrensen6119 But the Kona has at least 6 kWh more usable energy and the E-niro ist even bigger and has the same consumption as the Kona. I am still disappointed by the ID3 efficiency vs the "old" SUV shaped ICE platform used in the Korean cars.
I do not understand why people think speed limiter will stop you going above a certain speed. They do not reason you may need to make an emergency maneuver which requires you to go above the speed. So there is some leeway in this. Normally you set the speedlimited before you move off But if you accelerated hard it deactivates. Why are you driving in eco mode ? What not normal mode like normal drivers make it real world as very few use eco mode.
Must be downhill or a lot of wind in the back... 130-134 Wh/km is extremely low consumption..... Like slower country road driving without wind. Even if it a comparison test - if the low consumption is due to wind from the back it means that if one of the cars has higher drag it won't really be shown in the test as wind is more or less taken out of the equation.......
Id.3 has 189 Wh/km at constant 130 km/h gps in the summer with starting and ending at the same spot. I did the same test with the Kona. Video coming soon.
@@BatteryLife Yes that seems right. We have done 42000 km in it now and 110 km/h is 160-170 Wh/km while 130 km/h is just under 200 Wh/km. We have gotten down under 120 kWh/km also but that is relaxed cruising at moderate speeds at country roads - summer - no wind. I look forward to the Kona video. And thanks for all your work and focus on the car as a daily tool. Also good you bring in your wifes angle - most cars are after all for the use of the whole family.
Did the ID.3 get any update during the last 6 months that made it more efficiant? If I remember correctly in the first ID.3 videos I watched several months ago, the consumption was higher somehow?
@@BatteryLife Temperature was my second thought 😉 I didn‘t think it would make such a difference? Correct me if I am wrong, but was consumption in winter at 130 km/h not about 25 ish? Does consumption really double or is it more the lower temperature in the battery?
Wait. This test here us not representable. Since I am only going one way. It could be downhill. Only starting and ending at the same elevation is a good consumption test.
Kona basically has higher charging losses compared to the ID.3. Comparison of consumption only makes sense based on the amount of electricity charged. Kona has approx. 15% higher cx x A, which is the consumption compared to. ID.3 increased.
interesting result... so the ID3 77kWh should be a better "Langstreckenbomber" than the Kona. the e-cannonball should be around the corner if i remember correctly, so im curious to see how the current lineup fairs against each other ^^
See last year results in E-Cannonball. The Kona had no chance against ID.3 with 58 battery. Id.3 with 77 kWh will win easy on track and charging station against kona. But with bigger battery ID.3 is more expensive.
@@drakonhawk that's why I'm looking into the Model 3 SR+... More affordable than both (if fully specced) plus Supercharger comfort, easier route planning and by far the best infotainment system.
Nice conparison. It's a pity you no longer have the e Niro to do a 3-Way Comparison. The Niro is bigger and probably less aerodynamic, so it would have been interesting to see how much impact that has.
I'm a bit surprised that the car doesn't has cruise control and other active systems when it is downloading an update. That is a really really bad designed software update system. Not acceptable.
Not surprised. The Kona is very efficient at slower speeds, but at higher speed the air resistance is taking its toll.
Not the on-board computer; ... charging station speaks the truth. Tesla is not a good example.
I´m still amazed how little winter weather does to my kona. in -20c I can easily get 300km of range out of it on a highway and I never charge my battery to full 100%.
Kona rules!
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But the one thing that's really important: the kona is SMALLER! So the id.3 overall is more efficient!!!
Bullshit. Kona Electric is a king of efficiency.
@@alex77xl Höre ich da ein Mimimi? 😬
In over all length the kona is less than 70mm short but in over all size they are almost idenentical in size.
Weight the the kona is a lighter vehicle by 100kg
This is something vw need to address
But factual yes the vw us the slightly bigger car but it within tolerance to say the are the same it's not like we vw is a class size above its not we talking mm difference so you statement is not creditable the id3 and c
Kona are if equal sizes it like saying vw golf is bigger than a Ford focus. They are so close it irrelevant.
The Kona is smaller inside due to it being a repackaged fossil car and not a bespoke EV platform but overall the dimensions are similar.
I was mildly surprised to see the ID.3 come out close to the Kona in efficiency.
We bought a 2 year old ID.3 because of the extra cabin space and especially extra legroom for rear seat passengers. This is an important factor for us.
Suprising result to say the least... I thought Kona would be like 10-20Wh/km less...
Me too. But not a perfect test.
And it even was colder for the ID.3. So congratulations to ID.3 for an efficient car.
Colder air means (somewhat) denser air - so more drag; which is most important the faster you are driving. Aerodynamic drag goes up by the square of the speed, and so the faster you go, the greater the difference is for a given difference in air temperature.
A typical car - with a frontal area of about 25 square feet / 2.32 square meters - like these two cars, for each mile / 1.6km that you drive - the car must push 4.5 TONS / 4.1 metric tons of air out of the way.
Each and every mile / 1.6km ... that is a lot of weight! So, when the temperature drops, that mass becomes greater.
Any chance of similar side by side e-Golf 36 vs ID3 test in near future? 😉
Vw does not have the eGolf as a press car anymore.
@@BatteryLife Understandable. Maybe some eGolf dude will able to participate. 😉
Kinda bad for the ID. 3 considering the car is a purpose built EV not like the kona.
Purpose built has more advantage in space.
Mmmhhh, are this really good news for VW?
Being as efficient as a BEV, that is based on a 5 years old ICE-platform?
OK, from my pov the RWD is the ID.3´s biggest advantage - but price, quality (hw+sw) and long guarantee are big points for Hyundai.
The ID.3 is much bigger inside.
@@rasmussrensen6119 I agree! The real benchmark would be an Ioniq3 hatchback. But this is a dream for the next years and yes, you have to buy an ID.3 if you want the good space efficiency of a bev-designed platform in this class. There is no competitor. As of now ;-)
@@rasmussrensen6119 But the Kona has at least 6 kWh more usable energy and the E-niro ist even bigger and has the same consumption as the Kona. I am still disappointed by the ID3 efficiency vs the "old" SUV shaped ICE platform used in the Korean cars.
eNiro had higher consumption in my highway test.
@@verboseEV Even if the car ist 5 years older, the physic is still the same. cw*A*v². At 130 this ist the dominating factor.
I do not understand why people think speed limiter will stop you going above a certain speed. They do not reason you may need to make an emergency maneuver which requires you to go above the speed. So there is some leeway in this.
Normally you set the speedlimited before you move off
But if you accelerated hard it deactivates.
Why are you driving in eco mode ? What not normal mode like normal drivers make it real world as very few use eco mode.
Yes, they do, if you do not push the car!
Must be downhill or a lot of wind in the back... 130-134 Wh/km is extremely low consumption..... Like slower country road driving without wind.
Even if it a comparison test - if the low consumption is due to wind from the back it means that if one of the cars has higher drag it won't really be shown in the test as wind is more or less taken out of the equation.......
It was downhill. No wind. Again. Not a consumption test. Comparison. I did a range test in both cars.
Id.3 has 189 Wh/km at constant 130 km/h gps in the summer with starting and ending at the same spot.
I did the same test with the Kona. Video coming soon.
@@BatteryLife Yes that seems right. We have done 42000 km in it now and 110 km/h is 160-170 Wh/km while 130 km/h is just under 200 Wh/km.
We have gotten down under 120 kWh/km also but that is relaxed cruising at moderate speeds at country roads - summer - no wind.
I look forward to the Kona video.
And thanks for all your work and focus on the car as a daily tool. Also good you bring in your wifes angle - most cars are after all for the use of the whole family.
ID.3 looks much fresher and more modern inside than the Kona
If "fresher " = Iooks a cheap toy , well I agree
Well, to me, the Kona looks extremely old school inside, much more than the eNiro, and definitely more than the ID.3.
The id3 looks inside like cheap plastic recycled from hairdryers. Unbelievable for this price such a …it.
Well… front seat armrest looks very modern indeed:)
Id3 looks like a soap box.
Those little screens inside the cabine are ugly. Like chinese car for a kids.
Did the ID.3 get any update during the last 6 months that made it more efficiant? If I remember correctly in the first ID.3 videos I watched several months ago, the consumption was higher somehow?
No, no update affected the drive train.
But it is warmer than 6 months ago ;)
@@BatteryLife Temperature was my second thought 😉
I didn‘t think it would make such a difference? Correct me if I am wrong, but was consumption in winter at 130 km/h not about 25 ish? Does consumption really double or is it more the lower temperature in the battery?
Wait. This test here us not representable. Since I am only going one way. It could be downhill. Only starting and ending at the same elevation is a good consumption test.
Kona basically has higher charging losses compared to the ID.3. Comparison of consumption only makes sense based on the amount of electricity charged. Kona has approx. 15% higher cx x A, which is the consumption compared to. ID.3 increased.
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At 130, it's all about tire width and coefficient of drag.
Have had a Kona now have a 77kwh id3 ...prefer the id3 but software is definitely glitchy
@@AlanTov hmmm how do I know which version i have..thought 2.3 was about to go live and that I had 2.1
interesting result... so the ID3 77kWh should be a better "Langstreckenbomber" than the Kona. the e-cannonball should be around the corner if i remember correctly, so im curious to see how the current lineup fairs against each other ^^
Kona charges fairly slow whereas ID.3 has potential for 2C charging which should be 160-170 kW.
See last year results in E-Cannonball. The Kona had no chance against ID.3 with 58 battery. Id.3 with 77 kWh will win easy on track and charging station against kona. But with bigger battery ID.3 is more expensive.
@@drakonhawk that's why I'm looking into the Model 3 SR+... More affordable than both (if fully specced) plus Supercharger comfort, easier route planning and by far the best infotainment system.
Mercedes eqs would win the e-cannonball by a lot I think with it's huge range and fast charging.
@@SuperGURU_Ben So what car is Heinz Harald Frenzen driving this year? 🤔
ID3 in white looks just great. On the other hand the Kona looks terrible in red :P
ID.3 has the better drag coefficient, so...
130 klms an hour where I live would get you tickets every time you drove the hyw.
Welcome to Germany, we have Autobahn.
The new climate report on all media and then still comparising the energy consumption at 130 km? We still have to learn a lot..
@@pW-kb8xs lol
Driving at 130 km/h without breaking the speed limit makes me so jealous.
Nice conparison. It's a pity you no longer have the e Niro to do a 3-Way Comparison. The Niro is bigger and probably less aerodynamic, so it would have been interesting to see how much impact that has.
On the 130 kmh trip eNiro had way higher consumption than the Kona on the same trip.
Great job.do you know what's the difference between Kona Premium and the Kona Ultimate Trim please?
Sorry, no. Does the Hyundai website not specify that?
I'm a bit surprised that the car doesn't has cruise control and other active systems when it is downloading an update. That is a really really bad designed software update system. Not acceptable.
Just the first ever update.
Totally agree. Not even near to acceptable .
if the car would do the update, when the car „sleeps“ it wouldn‘t be a problem. Did the car ask you when you would like the update?