Interesting real world winter autobahn testing. Walter did well; I am impressed by how stable and quiet the new people's car is at autobahn speeds. It would be useful for comparison to have a summary table of price, net battery size, energy consumption, time and average speed.
I guess Rami and Paul didn't wish to be introduced? I would have expected Kona to be closer to ID.3 as it has bigger battery and better efficiency. Nice video and once again great choice of music, I have to try to learn to play that solo part with my electric ukulele.
Hi Chris, a very interesting video, but my english ins't very good. Please tell me how long the model y has needed for the 536 km? How many stops were necesarry and what was the consumption according to ionity display? many thanks in advance.
Can you only charge 100. I can charge 125 in my ID4. Will there be an OTA for faster charging for both. FYI Trickle charging doesn't warm battery either.
@@BatteryLife Thank you. Can you do an experiment as you have the dongle. People would be interested. Also check with heat at 25 degrees for 15 and 30 minutes to see how much this warms the battery
A bit under 6 hours? I have to try this trip with my 2017 Model S 75D, which has already more than 200.000km and around 15% degradation. ABRP says 5h30 and as I know the prediction of ABRP it should be possible to be a minute or two faster than you. But I will have to do it from Himmelkron to Pilsting and back to Himmelkron.
Nice drive, wish I lived near you. Would love to tag along. I ran the ABRP numbers for that trip with a Taycan 4S and I think I could do it in about 4h keeping max speed at 160kph, raising max speed to 193kph actually takes longer with the additional charging time. I think I can do the trip with only 1 charge in Himmelkron for about 20min. Admittedly this was based on consumption figures with 15C and not accounting for your headwinds. But I would love to try.
@@BatteryLife FYI, I did recalculate with 15% less efficiency and still one charge of 33min. 4h11m total. But I know it’s a very different price point.
Surely all cars should have temperature set to a reasonable temperature such as 21°C as this is comfortable for most people. Also why did the model Y stop so early on the trip? No benefit whatsoever. Surely it should get into its peak charging window at a lower state of charge. It could have just gone to the same Ionity as you, or even a further charger.
I did 500km in my ID3 at UK motorway speeds (113km/hr) and it took me 6hrs including charging (at zero degrees C) - I only stopped once for 40mins. I really hope VW sort out the cold consumption with the V3 software which will probably be here by summer :(
@@BatteryLife for your trip maybe as you were going much faster than me and did shorter charges (which would keep the battery warm) but my battery PTC heater was on quite a lot. I use car scanner and could see that on my trip for the first 30kms the battery PTC heater was pulling 7kw trying to warm the battery and then it kept coming on to keep the battery to 13 degrees C. Apparently in V3.0 the software allows the battery to run at 8 degrees C and there will be heating on route for DC fast charging.
@@BatteryLife Ah, now we know why it is delivered only after the winter is gone - no heating to 13 degrees with the newer SW means bigger coldgate problem. 😜
@@OnklAgL Dann bin ich also nicht der einzige der das im Kopf hatte. Ich weiß leider nichtmehr wo ich die Information her habe. Aber es stimmt wohl das Tesla Nebenverbräuche nicht mit einrechnet. Das wäre vlt mal eine wichtige Information.
@@OnklAgL Woher weißt du das? Mein Kenntnisstand ist, dass während der Fahrt alles (Heizung/Klima, Elektronik) eingerechnet wird. Verbräuche im Stand jedoch nicht. Da kann man ja auch nichts pro km anrechnen. Diskrepanzen am Lader kommen neben den Ladeverlusten durch das Heizen oder Kühlen der Batterie, was ja Strom frisst und - außer am Supercharger - überall mitbezahlt werden muss.
Next test idea : Driving 2 times the same trip with the ID3 - driving 160km/h (or max speed) - driving 120km/h it would be interesting to see if reducing speed actually makes you save time because lower consumption and less charging required
I was excited about this comparison but then i noticed there is no graph with the average speed, consumption,charging time etc. Bjorn's tests are better because of this reason, Please add the results and statistics at the end.
Interesting that you didn't get #coldgate. I drove 150km this weekend before charging at IONITY with 17% and I only got 60kW. I was driving at 122 km/h average speed. Also similar temperatures. I have ID.3 Plus.
@@logant6490 my golden rule is: if the car can’t get me to the destination and back home on a single car, i rather take my ICE. as it is now it’s not that much more expensive to drive my petrol powered Polo compared to my EV and i don’t have to enter a battle royale over the few DC chargers and waste time sitting there (life is too short). i’ve done several trips where i thought “ok i just need 15-30 minutes to charge then i can make it home “ and got slapped in the face with reality, chargers being occupied/blocked or faulty. i did a 70 minute drive, then had to queue for a charger for 45 minutes then my car’s battery got cold and i needed to charge for 30 minutes to get home. i wastes time at a charger equal to the time needed for my trip back home… it’s been almost 4 years of driving an EV and i admit defeat, if i can’t make it back in a single charge i will always take my petrol 2012 Polo 👍🏻 it’s just not worth the hassle.
@@_TrueDesire_ get a Tesla. Removes most of these issues. Model 3 LR 235 miles 378 km at 70 mph 112 kmph in winter. 0 Celsius 275 mikes 442 km at same speed in summer. That’s with 100% charged to start trip. I agree with you better to avoid charging outside therefore better to get long range battery. Tesla supercharger network is very robust and reliable in US.
Interesting real world winter autobahn testing. Walter did well; I am impressed by how stable and quiet the new people's car is at autobahn speeds. It would be useful for comparison to have a summary table of price, net battery size, energy consumption, time and average speed.
Nice video. You Edit good and solid animation showing The rout. Good job!
Nice one Chris.
Would be excellent if you could try this out again with an Ioniq 5 and a Enyaq against Walter.
What was the consumption of the Kona ?
I guess Rami and Paul didn't wish to be introduced? I would have expected Kona to be closer to ID.3 as it has bigger battery and better efficiency. Nice video and once again great choice of music, I have to try to learn to play that solo part with my electric ukulele.
I have to plan better next time. It was a lot to think about. I should have introduced them, talked to them,...
19:37 25,3 kWh/100 km indicated for Model Y, very nice! ID.3 should receive some efficiency improvements.
With that speed I am ok with that consumption.
@@BatteryLife This is shocking for Me that smaller car as ID.3 is consuming >10% more energy that Big Model Y AWD?
@@marekwitek7494 .23 vs .267 drag coefficient!
@@richardthegreat 0,584 vs 0,63 CdA it seems
Hi Chris, a very interesting video, but my english ins't very good. Please tell me how long the model y has needed for the 536 km? How many stops were necesarry and what was the consumption according to ionity display? many thanks in advance.
Model y 13 minutes faster than me, charged 3 times, 253 Wh/km
@@BatteryLife you didn’t use HVAC for heat?? What about Tesla and Kona ? Was their heat off too?
Can you only charge 100. I can charge 125 in my ID4. Will there be an OTA for faster charging for both. FYI Trickle charging doesn't warm battery either.
Id4 has the 77kWh, My Pro has 58 kWh battery.
The power of 11kW charging can preheat the battery a tiny bit. Not by much.
@@BatteryLife Thank you. Can you do an experiment as you have the dongle. People would be interested. Also check with heat at 25 degrees for 15 and 30 minutes to see how much this warms the battery
Can you calculate if you would arrive faster if you charged only 2 times and drove 130? Is there any calculator onine that dies this?
No, have to try. Every road is different.
A bit under 6 hours? I have to try this trip with my 2017 Model S 75D, which has already more than 200.000km and around 15% degradation. ABRP says 5h30 and as I know the prediction of ABRP it should be possible to be a minute or two faster than you. But I will have to do it from Himmelkron to Pilsting and back to Himmelkron.
I forgot that I could turn off heating as well, so it should become a bit easier. :)
Nice drive, wish I lived near you. Would love to tag along. I ran the ABRP numbers for that trip with a Taycan 4S and I think I could do it in about 4h keeping max speed at 160kph, raising max speed to 193kph actually takes longer with the additional charging time. I think I can do the trip with only 1 charge in Himmelkron for about 20min. Admittedly this was based on consumption figures with 15C and not accounting for your headwinds. But I would love to try.
Try it with 0 degrees and headwind
@@BatteryLife that’s why I live in California, because I don’t like 0C 😋
@@BatteryLife FYI, I did recalculate with 15% less efficiency and still one charge of 33min. 4h11m total. But I know it’s a very different price point.
Still awesome!
Surely all cars should have temperature set to a reasonable temperature such as 21°C as this is comfortable for most people. Also why did the model Y stop so early on the trip? No benefit whatsoever. Surely it should get into its peak charging window at a lower state of charge. It could have just gone to the same Ionity as you, or even a further charger.
Why should not everyone drive how they want. He wanted to charge there.
I did 500km in my ID3 at UK motorway speeds (113km/hr) and it took me 6hrs including charging (at zero degrees C) - I only stopped once for 40mins. I really hope VW sort out the cold consumption with the V3 software which will probably be here by summer :(
The battery heater was not on the whole trip. The high consumption is just because of the high speed.
@@BatteryLife for your trip maybe as you were going much faster than me and did shorter charges (which would keep the battery warm) but my battery PTC heater was on quite a lot. I use car scanner and could see that on my trip for the first 30kms the battery PTC heater was pulling 7kw trying to warm the battery and then it kept coming on to keep the battery to 13 degrees C. Apparently in V3.0 the software allows the battery to run at 8 degrees C and there will be heating on route for DC fast charging.
3.0 does not include preconditiong when navigating to a charger.
@@BatteryLife Ah, now we know why it is delivered only after the winter is gone - no heating to 13 degrees with the newer SW means bigger coldgate problem. 😜
Who drives 113 km/hr?
Model Y it's bigger and had faster speeds then ID3 but still manage to have lower consuption, that's impressive
Model y did not drive faster. But still great consumption.
Der Teslaverbrauch lt. Anzeige ist doch nicht vergleichbar, oder? Bei Tesla werden Nebenverbraucher doch nicht miteingerechnet.
@@OnklAgL Dann bin ich also nicht der einzige der das im Kopf hatte. Ich weiß leider nichtmehr wo ich die Information her habe.
Aber es stimmt wohl das Tesla Nebenverbräuche nicht mit einrechnet. Das wäre vlt mal eine wichtige Information.
@@OnklAgL Woher weißt du das? Mein Kenntnisstand ist, dass während der Fahrt alles (Heizung/Klima, Elektronik) eingerechnet wird. Verbräuche im Stand jedoch nicht. Da kann man ja auch nichts pro km anrechnen. Diskrepanzen am Lader kommen neben den Ladeverlusten durch das Heizen oder Kühlen der Batterie, was ja Strom frisst und - außer am Supercharger - überall mitbezahlt werden muss.
@@phate2999 Ich glaube, das ist ein Mythos. Wird gerne weitererzählt, weil viele sich die Diskrepanz am Lader nicht erklären können. Ist aber einfach.
Cheers and thanks y´all,, 🍻🍻😎👍👍
The cost of each car in Germany?
Id.3 and Kona 45k€, Model Y 55k€
@@BatteryLife Thanks Chris 👍👍
But then you get 6k euro back after 6 months from the government, right Chris?
Next test idea :
Driving 2 times the same trip with the ID3
- driving 160km/h (or max speed)
- driving 120km/h
it would be interesting to see if reducing speed actually makes you save time because lower consumption and less charging required
Yes and it's closer to real life driving. I never drive that fast with my kids and wife in the car.
I really wanna get an EV next time.. But it would drive me nuts if i had to charge every roughly 100-150 km
No it would not. Unless you drive 500km trips every month.
wht is the price for kWt at these fast charges?
I pay 30 cent
@@BatteryLife thx! Seems there is no savings compared to … diesel car… more or less same cost of 100km of range… interesting.
To bad you are 500 km away from me, else I would have joined you with my ID.4
Would have been fun
Change your wiper blades 😂 Bosch A988S!
Just clean those with brake cleaner and those are fine again
@@dot7107 the stock wiper blades on the ID.3 are crap, a lot of people on groups complain about them!
And this id3 is without heatpump
Yes
26 kw by 0,75 per kw ionity this is very expensive run right now
I was excited about this comparison but then i noticed there is no graph with the average speed, consumption,charging time etc.
Bjorn's tests are better because of this reason,
Please add the results and statistics at the end.
No statistics, not a race. Just a fun drive.
@@BatteryLife then i guess don't be surprised that Mercedes does not provide you with a EQS.
Interesting that you didn't get #coldgate. I drove 150km this weekend before charging at IONITY with 17% and I only got 60kW. I was driving at 122 km/h average speed. Also similar temperatures. I have ID.3 Plus.
Watch his video how to get 100 kW in winter. 😉
@@abraxastulammo9940 well i know how to get it. Just did not expect for it to take so long to warm up.
Kona driver needs lessons I think 🙄🤣. Good fun though.
And the conclusion is? I lost 20 minutes and only info was for Tesla for whole trip.
No conclusion. This was for fun.
4 stops for 540km, sounds dreadful.
Not at all. You get faster to your destination with driving faster and charging more often.
@@BatteryLife assuming you get immediate access to every charger you visit.
This experience is much inferior to an ice car, and will deter ev take up.
@@logant6490 my golden rule is: if the car can’t get me to the destination and back home on a single car, i rather take my ICE.
as it is now it’s not that much more expensive to drive my petrol powered Polo compared to my EV and i don’t have to enter a battle royale over the few DC chargers and waste time sitting there (life is too short).
i’ve done several trips where i thought “ok i just need 15-30 minutes to charge then i can make it home “ and got slapped in the face with reality, chargers being occupied/blocked or faulty. i did a 70 minute drive, then had to queue for a charger for 45 minutes then my car’s battery got cold and i needed to charge for 30 minutes to get home. i wastes time at a charger equal to the time needed for my trip back home…
it’s been almost 4 years of driving an EV and i admit defeat, if i can’t make it back in a single charge i will always take my petrol 2012 Polo 👍🏻 it’s just not worth the hassle.
@@_TrueDesire_ get a Tesla. Removes most of these issues. Model 3 LR 235 miles 378 km at 70 mph 112 kmph in winter. 0 Celsius
275 mikes 442 km at same speed in summer. That’s with 100% charged to start trip. I agree with you better to avoid charging outside therefore better to get long range battery. Tesla supercharger network is very robust and reliable in US.
@@_TrueDesire_ enjoy maintenance costs and large fuel bills then ;)
Plan an event.. and I will came with id3 pros whith heatpomp...
The Tesla wins again .. 🥸
Tesla with that big battery isn't very good