you should hope that you could get your local Jaguar ipace sooner but i don't think even that is being delivered yet lol. not to mention that it does cost a bit more of course and is crazy power hungry
Hyundai konas are already driving for months on the UK roads. They were ordered from the moment orders went online.If you order one now though you have to wait for quite a while
Model 3 mid range is already shown to be able to charge 119-120 kW, same as the Long Range. Search - Mid Range charging speed. | Page 2 | Tesla Motors Club
That's because 119kW isn't max for model 3 long range. Long range cab definitely charge faster if the charger could deliver it. Maybe 119 isn't even max for mid range!
@@apkungen89 the 2170 batteries can go to like 180kw. Once the model S and X gets updated and Tesla puts the 2170 batteries in them, they will differentiate the 3 and the s and X with 200+kw charging for the s and X. Currently the model 3 charges faster than people who have a car double the price. It's BS
That was a wery good compare test. My favorite car is kia e-Niro.Nice car. Not too much high the price and more space for my family. (write from hungary country)
As usual you give us good information and we all know that you have spent lots of time in each car. One aspect that you should mention is the warranties for each car, the service network and the waiting list for getting these cars. Thank you
Model 3 charges around 117kw but from what I've seen on the forums, it suffers from "coldgate" same as the other cars in this video. Other than that in my country we can get 5000Eur subsidy for EVs that are sold here and as the Tesla is officially not sold here(no dealership or shop), fully equiped KONA is aprox. 19000EUR cheaper(after a discount from dealer) to comparable M3. So with final price of 27K EUR(without VAT) I've decided very quickly.
@ 11:45 I noticed that you tested one of the early production models, because the aluminum piece right above the steering wheel not stretching all the way over, like it does now. They did also raise the back seats with about 2-3”.
I hope to buy a second hand e-Niro in a few months, post 2020 and sub 50.000 km's. It has lots of room, is relatively affordable and I can get a government grant, and with most Model 3's I can't. Plus the 7 year warranty is great!
Just to mention, from what I gather only Kia e-niro and possibly Tesla Model 3 are likely to get a tow hitch. Testing pending. Kia also promise app support in late 2019, but no mention of what features it holds. It's not been confirmed that the mid range model 3 is coming to Norway from what I can tell, but I do think the short range version will force the competitors to adjust their prices down to be competetive. It's no secret that the e-niro is overpriced vs Kona in Norway compared to other countries, so I am sure they have margins to squeeze if they wish. I am waiting for the e-niro, finding the car to be the most practical for a family of 4 with two kids, expecting to require a stroller for a couple more years. Thanks for another brilliant video, TB!
@@Hans-gb4mv Yes, I also think it is the same Kia Connected app as you can get for more Kia models. It is 'read only'. So probably you can see charging level, but not set preheating time by app.
Yep, Kia Connected Service is offered and I would already be happy if I can not only see the SoC in the app, but get a message on my phone that the car has finished charging.
Thanks Bjorn.. Not sure if this is relevant but according to the UK version press release there is Driver Attention Warning. Its just a shame we dont have some many other features you get in Europe.. Norway.. rest of the world or on kona .. i.e. LED lights, rear cross traffic, blind spot, warning, sunroof, light grey leather interior, rear USB sockets.. (we have them all listed on the Kia e-Niro UK Interest Group on Facebook for any UK viewers that want to be informed on UK specific model specification. This is from the Kia UK release... Other active safety systems available in the e-Niro include Forward Collision Warning with Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA+), Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go (SCC+), High Beam Assist (HBA), Driver Attention Warning (DAW) and Lane Keep Assist System (LKAS).
On Leaf you have digital speedometer if you press up twice from drive computer 1 and that is not the only info display that has that, but it is my favorite info display.
Good video. Maby you should consider showing only the EPA range(if available) in km instead of the WLTP range because it is the most realistic one and i think you can cheat more on the WLTP. For example the I Pace is getting 374 km EPA and 470 km WLTP range the Leaf e+ instead is getting 362 km EPA and 385 km WLTP range.
Theta That depends on where you are. Come to Norway and look at ICE 30kUSD cars... EVs in Norway is a shitload of car for your money. And now Nissan is trying to mill the market.
@@theta2170 they're not "artificially priced." It's expensive for these companies to develop a brand new type of powertrain altogether and for now batteries are very expensive still
if anyone does a lot of city driving, then the Nissan, Kia, and Hyundai will be the easiest and most convenient as they have compact turning circles of around 10.6 meters. The Model 3 turning circle is a ridiculously wide 11.8m which is actually even wider than the Tesla Model S!
@@richard--s The UVO Eco app is downloadable anywhere and it's available in English, French, and Spanish. I understand that frustration, but it also introduced a potential security risk to the vehicle, since the app can by used to remotely precondition the vehicle, start or stop charging, lock or unlock it, or remotely locate the vehicle. The app also provides charging location information and navigation. As far as I'm aware Germany is the next market for app support, and they're working on each European and Asian market to provide support by the end of next year.
@@richard--s I can tell you that the app works great here in the US with my Niro PHEV. All the features are quick and easy, and being able to turn in the heated steering wheel and defroster remotely is great. The next feature I want them to enable is turning on the heated or cooled seats remotely.
I think it's not only about the cars. Availability of aftersales service should be also considered. Though Tesla is an absolute gem in term of performance, I think services, spare parts and accessories are also important. I test-drive model S in Finland and found out that if you own a Tesla in Finland and the car gets breakdown somewhere in Eastern Finland for example, you will need to wait for the car to be towed all the way to Capital region to repair. Hopefully this will be soon improved.
the ccs vs chademo question becomes more challenging in the US. we have very few ccs chargers and a lot more chademo plus Tesla's only have the tesla specific charge port and require the purchase of an expensive adapter for ccs.
New Leaf is a fail because it has no liquid cooling (according to Transport Evolved) and also it uses Chademo instead of CCS. I would go for the Model 3 if money is not a factor or the Kona if on a budget.
Although I drive the Leaf, and enjoy it to be fair, you see that the EU policy for funding CCS charging stations catches on. Finding CHAdeMO chargers is getting harder in NL. Sometimes I do not get the selective non-monopoly EU measures. EU wants us citizens to go ‘green’ but only on their terms. Only got the Leaf because of brand restriction of my company and of the brands I could choose from, this was the only car I could get immediately.
OrangOeTang arms, ROTFL! eNero is the sweet spot for me ;the Kona is much too cramped (backseats and boot) and Model 3 is much more expensive (not just buying it but also looking at overall costs over 5 to 7 years). Guess I'll see how inefficient eNiro turns out to be as I will be getting it next week! I suspect it will be perfectly fine, as my daily commute on the highway will usually be under 300 km. And as already noted... there is App support for Kia, at least in NL. Anyhow, It is thanks to all your fantastic reviews and road trips that I felt confident in making the choice. So BIG thanks for that Bjorn!!
Wow. So right before I actually watch this video, I want to say thank you, Bjørn for reading my mind! These are my top choices to replace my ICE car with. I'm pretty sure I won't get a Leaf because there is no active thermal management system. Where I am in Canada, I could easily see -30ºC in the winter, and +30ºC in the summer with temps potentially spiking +/- 10ºC from those. Model 3 would be ideal, but the 2 nearest Tesla service centers (and superchargers) are each about 300+ kilometers away from where I live. Between the Kona and Niro, I prefer the styling of the Kona but the Niro has all the features I want so that will likely be my next car. Now, time to watch the video! :)
Sorry bjørn but you fail to mention dealership network and of course availability worldwide for all vehicles talked about, you mention many times how poor tesla is at getting replacement parts factors all of which are part of ownership. Cheers
Yeah I wouldn't mind getting a Nissan env200 with bigger battery just because of the lack of affordable electric minibuses. But the Kona seems to be a very good car. Thanks for the video! ✌️
Just a quick clarification. The 5000 3.ZERO models in Europe are only the introductory model. After that they revert to the usual 3 trims: Acenta, N-connecta and Tekna which they make in Europe, Japan and US. If Nissan can produce this in numbers in Europe they will do well even though in many features it's not as good. Let's see what the lead times are for an order on a Leaf, Kona and Niro in 6 months time.
Good, but limited comparison. I'm leaning towards the Kia Niro EV because I think it hits the sweet spot between the Model 3 and the Kona EV with both price and amenities. I don't like that the Model 3 has no sunroof option, the Niro EV does. I don't like that the Model 3 doesn't support Android Auto, the Niro EV does. I also like that the Niro EV has ventilated seats. You didn't mention it, but I don't think the Model 3 has that, correct? I initially was considering the Kona EV but when I saw in person at the LA Auto Show I didn't like the center console arrangement. My leg kept on bumping into it and it was awkward getting to the storage space below it. But what was most disappointing was the rear seat room. It was noticeably smaller than both the Niro EV and the Leaf. BTW, does the Model 3 have voice activation/control so you can turn on/off A/C, display, stereo system? How about the rest of the cars? I would think that you can do that via Android Auto/Google Assistant on the Niro EV, right? The Kia Niro EV is not out yet in the US, but it's expected soon. I hope the price point is similar to the Kona EV which is around $36,000.
@@TigerKurdish Agree, and just a HUD and a big center screen would have been very Tesla futuristic. Clearly a cost cut measure not to install a HUD and only a center screen.
I haven't used the voice activation in model 3 for anything other then music or navigation, but it is very inclusive and i believe it can also control climate controls. Comparisons have said it's better then other manufacturers. it also does not have ventilated seats. one weird thing is that it doesn't have a heated steering wheel either. The HVAC is very good though so this hasn't been an issue. I was disappointed when it was released without a HUD but i think it's definitely not needed. instrument cluster is not needed either. I'm very happy with just the center screen and an instrument cluster would just get in the way.
The policy of KIA is very funny regarding an app. So there is the app in the Netherlands, in Germany, it is not offered. But otherwise the Niro is the best compromise between price and performance.
It is going to be a basic app, not the UVO app in Korea or States. It will offer SoC, is your car locked and what was the consumption and location of the car. In the first year it will log all the data and after a year you have to pay a fee to keep all functions. But the basic functions will be free of charge. The app is the same as offered on some petrol cars from Kia in NL.
Honestly once they hit the used marked in a couple of years with 50% of todays price I will be happy to own any of those, right now its too expensive for me. My personal favourite would be the Tesla, but with basically no service centres in my country, I would go for the Hyundai or Kia, man I'm looking forward to get those one day used :D
Here in Canada the 62kwh leaf will have OTA update. Electric seats are standard with winter package. The app is more robust and have more features since Nissan partner with satellite radio services so you can set the temperature when preheating or lock/unlock the car. As for CHAdeMO the leaf out sold all others bevs put together in last quarter. Even teslas. Even Electrify Canada must include both connectors at each charger.
The key to CCS vs CHAdeMO is that nearly all new EVs for US and Canada markets are now using CCS, with just Nissan holding out. More CCS EVs must in time mean more CCS charging stalls.
Kia's order books are now open in the UK so I’ve just ordered an e-Niro. I’m looking forward to it (coming from my old Leaf) but... it just feels like such a compromise compared to the Tesla!
i would love to have a no frills, super lightweight aero model. With just apple carplay or android auto and 2 good speakers. Simple front car accident avoidance braking. No electric seats, no seat heaters, no steering wheel heater, no power windows, no electric door handles... easy to take out passenger seat when u dont need them. Just 2 or 3 seater is fine. 130kph or 100 mph is fine. I just want super high efficiency with decent range for given battery. I guess im looking for a sondors type 3 wheel or defunct super aero like aptera. Hehehe.
Bjørn, there is no mid range available in EU. Only AWD LR and Performance. Not even a confirmation that it's coming. Not unlikely a US only option. They made it so that those waiting for the standard range could buy a slightly cheaper car than LR with full $7500 tax credit.
see, I am all about electric cars and I do hope it's future but as for now there are way too many problems [in UK] in area I live. 1. we pay 14p [£0.14] per KW and 7p at night per KW. there are only 3 charging ports in area which charge at max 40kwh rate and charge minimum 30p/KW and some 55p/KW which is a lot more what you pay at home. Also people confirmed that some chargers will charge you per minutes [ you should get 40KW and you pay for 30 minutes or 1h and charger does only 20kwh, which means you pay estimate almost £1/kwh. to get charger at home I would have to pay additional £1500 to be able to charge home. 2. electric cars are way way expensive even Nissan leaf compare to traditional lets say vauxhall corsa or citroen C3...which fuel consumption is 45mpg or 55mpg on motorways 3. insurance. right now I am paying £400 fully comp and no tax as it has less than 100 emissions. to get nissan leaf my insurance would go to minimum £800 a year! and after 3 years you can only take nissan leaf to authorized dealership and services is almost 4 times for expensive than standard citroen c3 and takes longer. So after all these calculations even if you doing like me 70k miles+ a year, you are not really saving money to be honest. you might be saving money on fuel, but you pay a lot more for car, insurance and later a lot more for service and this is all with included £3500 given to you from government towards new ev
This is what I think about model 3 mr: Price: 410 knok Range: 465 km wltp (maybe more) Charging: 119 kW ( 135 from new SuC) I think the mid range will be way cheaper. If you use the same relationship as it is between long range and mid range in the US the price in Norway should be 400 knok. Maybe it will be slightly more expensive than that. Maybe about 410k nok. Not more I think.
I like Kona and the Leaf e+ they are my favorites model 3 is also very nice but very expensive and don’t have a cluster I like cars with cluster / dashboard
Bjørn Nyland Correction - Nissan Leaf 40 and 62kwh BOTH have electrical seats in S and SV (optional) and standard SL. not sure why you said they were manual.. I test drove an SV w/electrical (had tech package upgrade).. Kona and Niro are very limited in availability. Especially in USA they are non-existent options; Choices in USA is really just Model 3 or Leaf for nationwide availability. Kia and Hyundai both are only releasing these in CARB ZEV states, which is only 7 out of the 50 US states. Even then, they will be massively back-ordered.
I don't know if and what Nissan has done with the new e+ Leaf, but at least on some specs it looks to be way more efficient. Might be a typo or maybe they've done something. Also notable that they didn't list battery voltage (TBC) yet. Maybe that extra power comes from just a bit higher voltage? Same motor will surely handle 10-20% higer voltage thus higher power, as long it has efficient enough cooling. Also, when you put 50% bigger battery in the same car with same consumption you heat the battery less as you use higher voltage pack thus lower amps or the bigger battery just has better (lower) internal resistance thus warming less. This tells me new e+ Leaf does not need active cooling! Old 40kWh Leaf is already almost ok, if new consumes a bit less and has +50% bigger battery - no problems. BTW Battery does not heat that much during charging. I've used LiPo batteries a lot with RC-cars and planes and you can charge with 2-3C currents and you get very little heat. Actually the heat ammount can be easily calculated with charging power and internal resistance of the pack.
Now I am so confused. I’m a LEAF guy but Tesla has the Charging Network and my next Vehicle will be a Tesla. Waiting to see the Model Y and the Pickup Truck before I purchase something. As per the hump in the LEAF. The frame of the LEAF came from the Versa and the Versa has that hump. Nissan did use the space for the high-voltage connector for the traction battery.
Interesting to watch this now with the benefit of hindsight. Leaf would have been a no-brainer if they had implemented full battery thermal management and CCS charging. Personally, I hope they will make a Leaf #4 using a scaled-down battery developed from the Ariya. In the meantime, Niro is a better family car for long journeys. Kona doesn't have enough cargo space for a family holiday. I wouldn't consider a Tesla, but this was interesting to see all the details laid out from an expert. Just for fun, here are the current *lowest used* Aug 2023 UK prices for these cars: Tesla M3 £20,896; Niro 64kwh £17,698; Kona 64kwh £14,480; Leaf 62kwh £13,290. Seems like Leaf e+ is not holding value as well as the others?
I'm definitely considering a Model 3 Performance/Long Range. I have a 40kwh Leaf already, and the most important things I'm missing is AWD and a towing bracket, plus the Tesla offers more luxury tech. Still no towing bracket, but I can't afford a Model X or Audi E-tron quattro EV (ridiculous that only the most expensive EV's have a towing bracket).
Apparently Nissan are still using their own manufactured batteries for the e-plus. The news is that the deal with LG CHEM fell through so they are using AESC batteries
An even bigger problem for the Leaf is the Short Range Model 3. Based on the European prices of the LR models, it should come in around net 32-33k Euros (plus VAT) once it is available without the Premium Package. Again, based on the WLTP range of the LR versions and the EPA data of the SR Model 3, it should also be certified for 380km. And while this version may be about 6-8 months out for European customers, with the 62 kWh Leaf limited to 5k units for Europe this year, that's not that big of a disadvantage.
Along with your famous banana box test, could you also put up the official internal space overall, BN. Then we'll know better about the cargo space, because there would be people putting packages on the front passenger seat. Plus, despite the Niro appearing to be bigger than the Kona, it's difficult to see where it is. And that could be a buying decision. I've seen your old video where you had the Niro and Kona side-by-side. And I can't recall/see where the Niro gets all this extra comfy space in the front.
With chademo and no active cooling the newer leaf just doesn't compare to the other cars available. I love the leaf design old and new, but it needs to compete.
Great review of these 4 EV's. Very interesting, and very useful video. I agree with your recommendations, and I have to say your video's are the most useful of any other youtuber I've watched, and I've pretty much watched every video on Tesla, and EV's out there. (I own a AWD M3 here in Canada).
Nice comparison, but we don't have the Model 3 mid range in Europe, and possibly never. It could just have been a place holder for US market to increase production for the end of the max tax credit and production numbers, without losing to much margin. Currently, only Long range AWD starting at +-€59.000 is available, maybe for 6 months or more. After that I expect LR RWD and maybe in Q4 the standard range base model. But you never know.
Make sure you check all the subsidies and so on in your country. In Sweden the majority of cars sold is leased through the company you work at. Leasing av EV in Sweden is by far the cheapest car you can get counted in "money/km". In Sweden you can drive a leaf for about 13cent/km including everything such as electricity, depreciation, insurance, service, taxes and so on. Same price as only gas to a gas car.
@@apkungen89 Not a fan of leasing, if your financial circumstances change you could end up without a car. Also paying someone a substantial amount of money for something you don't own is not a good idea, in my opinion. I know you can pay the balloon payment and keep the car but for me that makes worse financial sense.
Great comparison. May I suggest adding a column for efficiency? These cars all have plenty of range such that range is no longer a limited factor (hurray!). So like in ICE cars difference in fuel efficiency becomes a thing to compare these. Based on your video I would go for the Nero but the efficiency might put me down.
Nice comparison as usual, but something very important is missing, especially when I compare with our current car (Audi A3 1.9d), reliability, how do they stack up long term? Our Audi is nearly ten years old, has never missed a beat, is very fuel efficient (up to 70 MPG), only just had its battery changed, no other issues so still going strong. We want an electric car, partially for economy, environment, but we also produce our own electricity through PV to replace the Audi... what do you reckon will be the car to last the test of time based on current ownership?
Mike Walters true enough, especially the Kia which has quite good cover. I'd guess I'd like to hear folks chipping in saying that they haven't had any issues, but as you say, it's probably premature...
@@guitarbackingtracks4386 I do know of one fella who has done over 15k miles in his Kona since Sep....a veteran of 4 EVs, the Kona was the first he has had with zero problems: he loves it! & a test run with him told me it was a good decision for me to place an order a few months back. Reality is that the world of EV is still 'early days': the public charging infrastructure remains shaky...but the Kona (& eNiro) appear to me to be proper 'game changers' in extending range to a point where for many people (who can easily charge at home!), EVs can be driven as they would a normal ICE.
Mike Walters that's good to hear, I'm looking at both the Niro and Kona, sensible usable range at last. I find it bizarre that companies continue to produce EV's with a 240km range, we live close to the French Pyrenees, I need to know that I can traverse them as the are no chargers up in the mountains! We will most likely hang on to the Audi until something major dies on it, but as that could be tomorrow (or possible several years) I'm trying to keep abreast of what's available. The Rivian looks interesting, if that makes it to market it will cause a stir, out of our price range, but looks great...
Model 3 mid range charges at 115kW (475 miles, 764 km per hour) and then tapers down like others. BTW, new lens/camera? Maybe I didn't notice before but the short focal length looks very pro.
What about wait for 2020 Renault Zoe? 100 kW CCS charging, 50 kWh battery and more room. It should be pretty efficient and cheapest to own even after warranty + the service Renault/Nissan service network is larger than others. And there will also be 2020 WW I.D. Neo revealed at the same time (autumn 2019). These 2 are much better choices than all 4 cars in video. And you can get them on same time because there won´t be enough 60kWh LEAFs in 2019 and for Tesla M 3 there is a long preorder list.
The model 3 is the best looking car of these 4 hands down (in my opinion). However that big tablet and no buttons... If I use a screen while driving I have to concentrate on the screen. You can't feel the buttons before toughing them so I have to look at them and hover my finger over the button to aim for it. Meanwhile the driving car is shaking a bit. This results in me swaying in my lane, which is unsafe. Maybe it's just me and the fact that I'm over 40, but I think I can only operate a Model 3 (basic functions like changing radio station, turning on the headlights or adjusting climate) while the car is doing the driving.
That is indeed what you need to do: driving the car. Not play around with controls/navigation etc. However If I have a new car I have to look at controls for the first few weeks anyway for airco or heating. You will get used to it. Same in Tesla and new Volvo's the button for heating is always on the same place and you will learn it.
What about over the air updates? The Tesla updates are awsome. Even my old P85 from 2014 has for a new navigation system and finally I can also preheat the seats via the app :)
Nice video! One minor thing. I see you’re listing 100 kW for the max charging power for the Leaf. But doesn’t CHAdeMO have a max charging power of 50 kW? (That’s the case in the US anyway.) Also, the Niro has Winter mode to increase battery temperature to improve charging rate during cold temperatures.
Bjorn, there two wrong facts in your video. The battery’s are not from LG-chem but from AESC (Nissan’s own batteryplant) and the 5000 units are only the 3.zero special versions. For The regular lineup with the 62kwh battery there is plenty of production available this year.
How is the lack of physical buttons in the model 3? For basic stuff you’d normally want to do without taking your eyes off the road like changing audio source, adjusting wipers etc? Niro/kona are tempting but no app (pre-conditioning is a key benefit of ev IMO)
The WLPT numbers for the LEAF on your video are for the 40kwh version. I have heard that the ZERO is a special limited version. The standard e+ plus should not be limited to 5,000 per year.
The 62kwh in Japan is rated as bellow on Nissan website it does not say anything about 380km. WLTP-WLTC mode 458km www-asia.nissan-cdn.net/content/dam/Nissan/jp/vehicles/leaf/1901/top/leaf_1901_top_004.jpg.ximg.l_full_m.smart.jpg But may be there are different wltp modes (urban, conbined) with different results, that can be confusing.
I've had a Leaf for over seven years now, and while it's a good car (even if battery degradation is quite noticeable now), what's putting me off getting a new(er) Nissan EV is Nissan's abysmal track record wrt. the app, the infrastructure supporting the app, and some really bad infotainment "features". Over seven years in and Nissan's app offering is still painfully slow and cumbersome, with far too frequent service outages sometimes lasting a week or more. Using a third-party app makes it slightly more bearable, but it's still dependent on the same slow & prone to outage infrastructure. Another "failure" is the Bluetooth handsfree: It will always insist on trying to connect to the previously connected phone, even if it's nowhere near the car, and will not automatically switch to another previously paired and present phone. So if you've forgotten to switch before you set off you'd better ignore incoming calls as switching en route can be risky: Press phone button. Wait 10s for car to give up connecting to other phone. Press "paired phone". Find and press the name of your phone. Press "connect".... by now the caller will have hung up and you will have taken your eyes off the road to hit those small, closely-spaced buttons on screen long enough to pose an increased risk. My two years older Mondeo was like this when I got it. Ford however pushed out an update a year later which has the car connect to whichever previously paired phone it sees first. It's such a simple thing really, that not implementing it is unforgivable in my eyes. Add to this Nissan's strange reluctance to implement proper battery cooling and refusal to let go of ChaDeMo and they've effectively put themselves quite far down on my list of potential EV suppliers, however good their actual cars may be... (I've also just gotten a 2nd hand 2016 Model S, and while it's still early days everything related to software is *so* much more satisfying. Yes, the build quality wrt. panel gaps and alignments is a step down, but apart from that it seems to be well bolted together)
I think Nissan will have to back down and fit CCS charge ports for European markets at some point. I think it is the strongest reason not to buy a Leaf even though there are probably more places for Leafs to charge in the UK than there are CCS at the moment. I can see it changing because of all the other EVs coming out that will be CCS and I believe the EU has pretty much mandated a CCS standard (I think this is why Tesla is now fitting CCS on their European cars).
New Leaf 62kWh have no active cooling. Europe market manager Ana Paola Reginatto confirmed this at CES.
No liquid cooling. But it has active air cooling, doesn't it?
@@HenriZwols no active cooling, fans or liquid as far as I understood it. They would have to do a lot of redesigning to fit that.
Airvents like NV200.
Puts it off the table as far as I'm concerned, keep a fire extinguisher handy if you charge that at 100kw!
With all the rapidgate issues, they have to have made some cooling improvements especially with the much faster charging
Considering there is nearly a year wait for all the cars here in the UK, you may as well order all 4 and just but the one that turns up first! :)
you should hope that you could get your local Jaguar ipace sooner but i don't think even that is being delivered yet lol. not to mention that it does cost a bit more of course and is crazy power hungry
Hyundai konas are already driving for months on the UK roads. They were ordered from the moment orders went online.If you order one now though you have to wait for quite a while
So frustrating buying one of these cars in U.K. Have to wait a year for the next batch of Kia, or maybe the summer for the 62kw Leaf. 🙄
Model 3 mid range is already shown to be able to charge 119-120 kW, same as the Long Range. Search - Mid Range charging speed. | Page 2 | Tesla Motors Club
@@jhchooo same here, my mid range gets 119kw.
That's because 119kW isn't max for model 3 long range. Long range cab definitely charge faster if the charger could deliver it. Maybe 119 isn't even max for mid range!
Filip Bjurling correct. I’ve seen some evidence of 180+ for LR.
@@apkungen89 the 2170 batteries can go to like 180kw.
Once the model S and X gets updated and Tesla puts the 2170 batteries in them, they will differentiate the 3 and the s and X with 200+kw charging for the s and X.
Currently the model 3 charges faster than people who have a car double the price. It's BS
@@jhchooo Can you show a 0-100 % video?;)
Excellent. Full of information without fluff.
Kona Kona Kona!!!!!🤗🤗🤗
That was a wery good compare test. My favorite car is kia e-Niro.Nice car. Not too much high the price and more space for my family. (write from hungary country)
As usual you give us good information and we all know that you have spent lots of time in each car. One aspect that you should mention is the warranties for each car, the service network and the waiting list for getting these cars. Thank you
Kevin Journeau all these are geographically specific.
Please make a updated video for the 2020 models 😊
Model 3 charges around 117kw but from what I've seen on the forums, it suffers from "coldgate" same as the other cars in this video. Other than that in my country we can get 5000Eur subsidy for EVs that are sold here and as the Tesla is officially not sold here(no dealership or shop), fully equiped KONA is aprox. 19000EUR cheaper(after a discount from dealer) to comparable M3. So with final price of 27K EUR(without VAT) I've decided very quickly.
Hands down by far you are the best EV car reviewer ! Thank you.
@ 11:45 I noticed that you tested one of the early production models, because the aluminum piece right above the steering wheel not stretching all the way over, like it does now. They did also raise the back seats with about 2-3”.
I hope to buy a second hand e-Niro in a few months, post 2020 and sub 50.000 km's. It has lots of room, is relatively affordable and I can get a government grant, and with most Model 3's I can't. Plus the 7 year warranty is great!
Just to mention, from what I gather only Kia e-niro and possibly Tesla Model 3 are likely to get a tow hitch. Testing pending. Kia also promise app support in late 2019, but no mention of what features it holds.
It's not been confirmed that the mid range model 3 is coming to Norway from what I can tell, but I do think the short range version will force the competitors to adjust their prices down to be competetive. It's no secret that the e-niro is overpriced vs Kona in Norway compared to other countries, so I am sure they have margins to squeeze if they wish.
I am waiting for the e-niro, finding the car to be the most practical for a family of 4 with two kids, expecting to require a stroller for a couple more years.
Thanks for another brilliant video, TB!
Niro in NL gets APP-support. See the Dutch Kia E-Niro website.
yes, but not the same app as in Korea/US. It will show the status, but not allow you to control the car.
Hans Roes let’s have a good talk with KIA 🧐
@@Hans-gb4mv Yes, I also think it is the same Kia Connected app as you can get for more Kia models. It is 'read only'. So probably you can see charging level, but not set preheating time by app.
Yep, Kia Connected Service is offered and I would already be happy if I can not only see the SoC in the app, but get a message on my phone that the car has finished charging.
Thanks Bjorn.. Not sure if this is relevant but according to the UK version press release there is Driver Attention Warning. Its just a shame we dont have some many other features you get in Europe.. Norway.. rest of the world or on kona .. i.e. LED lights, rear cross traffic, blind spot, warning, sunroof, light grey leather interior, rear USB sockets.. (we have them all listed on the Kia e-Niro UK Interest Group on Facebook for any UK viewers that want to be informed on UK specific model specification.
This is from the Kia UK release...
Other active safety systems available in the e-Niro include Forward Collision Warning with Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA+), Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go (SCC+), High Beam Assist (HBA), Driver Attention Warning (DAW) and Lane Keep Assist System (LKAS).
On Leaf you have digital speedometer if you press up twice from drive computer 1 and that is not the only info display that has that, but it is my favorite info display.
I couldn't choose between the Tesla model 3 and Nissan Leaf e+ so I got both
Good video.
Maby you should consider showing only the EPA range(if available) in km instead of the WLTP range because it is the most realistic one and i think you can cheat more on the WLTP.
For example the I Pace is getting 374 km EPA and 470 km WLTP range the Leaf e+ instead is getting 362 km EPA and 385 km WLTP range.
Yes, I'd also like the comparison of Model S second hand vs. Model 3 Dual motor performance. Thanks Bjørn
The new leaf is way over priced.
Theta That depends on where you are. Come to Norway and look at ICE 30kUSD cars... EVs in Norway is a shitload of car for your money. And now Nissan is trying to mill the market.
There's so much demand and so little supply that manufacturers can sell at full RRP, no discounting! In the UK, Hyundai put the price of the Kona UP!!
@@theta2170 they're not "artificially priced." It's expensive for these companies to develop a brand new type of powertrain altogether and for now batteries are very expensive still
Overpriced? Better, smoother and quieter ride. ProPilot Assist, more power and up to 100 kilowatt charging plus a class above the Korean car's.
Theta the battery cast a lot to make but hopefully in the future they will come down
Kona and Niro does have app support in South Korea. Since export version should have same headunit HW, I think apps will be available in near future.
if anyone does a lot of city driving, then the Nissan, Kia, and Hyundai will be the easiest and most convenient as they have compact turning circles of around 10.6 meters. The Model 3 turning circle is a ridiculously wide 11.8m which is actually even wider than the Tesla Model S!
The Niro has the UVO Eco app in the US and select European markets.
@@richard--s The UVO Eco app is downloadable anywhere and it's available in English, French, and Spanish. I understand that frustration, but it also introduced a potential security risk to the vehicle, since the app can by used to remotely precondition the vehicle, start or stop charging, lock or unlock it, or remotely locate the vehicle. The app also provides charging location information and navigation. As far as I'm aware Germany is the next market for app support, and they're working on each European and Asian market to provide support by the end of next year.
@@richard--s I can tell you that the app works great here in the US with my Niro PHEV. All the features are quick and easy, and being able to turn in the heated steering wheel and defroster remotely is great. The next feature I want them to enable is turning on the heated or cooled seats remotely.
I just wanted to clarify one point (which may have already been mentioned): The Hyundai Kona North American version does have BlueLink App Support.
I think it's not only about the cars. Availability of aftersales service should be also considered. Though Tesla is an absolute gem in term of performance, I think services, spare parts and accessories are also important. I test-drive model S in Finland and found out that if you own a Tesla in Finland and the car gets breakdown somewhere in Eastern Finland for example, you will need to wait for the car to be towed all the way to Capital region to repair. Hopefully this will be soon improved.
"...and you will still drive at the same speed until your crash and die, so that is not good"
XD XD XD
Love how he talks about this stuff.
the ccs vs chademo question becomes more challenging in the US. we have very few ccs chargers and a lot more chademo plus Tesla's only have the tesla specific charge port and require the purchase of an expensive adapter for ccs.
The model should have had a hud. Which the kona has. I own a kona great car. Two kids and a baby wagon fit. Drives nice
New Leaf is a fail because it has no liquid cooling (according to Transport Evolved) and also it uses Chademo instead of CCS. I would go for the Model 3 if money is not a factor or the Kona if on a budget.
Although I drive the Leaf, and enjoy it to be fair, you see that the EU policy for funding CCS charging stations catches on. Finding CHAdeMO chargers is getting harder in NL. Sometimes I do not get the selective non-monopoly EU measures. EU wants us citizens to go ‘green’ but only on their terms. Only got the Leaf because of brand restriction of my company and of the brands I could choose from, this was the only car I could get immediately.
LOL if money isn't a factor I would go for the new Tesla roaster....
(Leaf) "Nissan Connect" Down for the last four days. Nissan Disconnect? Maybe only Carlos knows where the server reboot switch is...
Yeah.... I can not even reset my password so the app is utterly useless.
OrangOeTang arms, ROTFL! eNero is the sweet spot for me ;the Kona is much too cramped (backseats and boot) and Model 3 is much more expensive (not just buying it but also looking at overall costs over 5 to 7 years). Guess I'll see how inefficient eNiro turns out to be as I will be getting it next week! I suspect it will be perfectly fine, as my daily commute on the highway will usually be under 300 km. And as already noted... there is App support for Kia, at least in NL. Anyhow, It is thanks to all your fantastic reviews and road trips that I felt confident in making the choice. So BIG thanks for that Bjorn!!
Wow. So right before I actually watch this video, I want to say thank you, Bjørn for reading my mind! These are my top choices to replace my ICE car with. I'm pretty sure I won't get a Leaf because there is no active thermal management system. Where I am in Canada, I could easily see -30ºC in the winter, and +30ºC in the summer with temps potentially spiking +/- 10ºC from those. Model 3 would be ideal, but the 2 nearest Tesla service centers (and superchargers) are each about 300+ kilometers away from where I live. Between the Kona and Niro, I prefer the styling of the Kona but the Niro has all the features I want so that will likely be my next car. Now, time to watch the video! :)
@Bjorn I believe you forget about the safety rating for each car.
Considering what is now known about Leaf charging. I reckon we need a race between the Leaf 2.0 and the Leaf 3.0. Preferably in winder.
Sorry bjørn but you fail to mention dealership network and of course availability worldwide for all vehicles talked about, you mention many times how poor tesla is at getting replacement parts factors all of which are part of ownership. Cheers
Yeah I wouldn't mind getting a Nissan env200 with bigger battery just because of the lack of affordable electric minibuses. But the Kona seems to be a very good car. Thanks for the video! ✌️
Just a quick clarification. The 5000 3.ZERO models in Europe are only the introductory model. After that they revert to the usual 3 trims: Acenta, N-connecta and Tekna which they make in Europe, Japan and US. If Nissan can produce this in numbers in Europe they will do well even though in many features it's not as good. Let's see what the lead times are for an order on a Leaf, Kona and Niro in 6 months time.
There's in the meantime an app available for the e-Niro! (Sept.2019)
Update: kona has app support which allows you to pre-heat or pre-cool the car, remote styart it etc. Hyunudai Bliuelink.
"you will crash and die, which is not good"
Thanks for the clarification.
Good, but limited comparison. I'm leaning towards the Kia Niro EV because I think it hits the sweet spot between the Model 3 and the Kona EV with both price and amenities. I don't like that the Model 3 has no sunroof option, the Niro EV does. I don't like that the Model 3 doesn't support Android Auto, the Niro EV does. I also like that the Niro EV has ventilated seats. You didn't mention it, but I don't think the Model 3 has that, correct?
I initially was considering the Kona EV but when I saw in person at the LA Auto Show I didn't like the center console arrangement. My leg kept on bumping into it and it was awkward getting to the storage space below it. But what was most disappointing was the rear seat room. It was noticeably smaller than both the Niro EV and the Leaf.
BTW, does the Model 3 have voice activation/control so you can turn on/off A/C, display, stereo system? How about the rest of the cars? I would think that you can do that via Android Auto/Google Assistant on the Niro EV, right?
The Kia Niro EV is not out yet in the US, but it's expected soon. I hope the price point is similar to the Kona EV which is around $36,000.
@@TigerKurdish already saw people using their smartphone in a small holder to tackle this issue.
@@TigerKurdish Agree, and just a HUD and a big center screen would have been very Tesla futuristic. Clearly a cost cut measure not to install a HUD and only a center screen.
I haven't used the voice activation in model 3 for anything other then music or navigation, but it is very inclusive and i believe it can also control climate controls. Comparisons have said it's better then other manufacturers. it also does not have ventilated seats. one weird thing is that it doesn't have a heated steering wheel either. The HVAC is very good though so this hasn't been an issue. I was disappointed when it was released without a HUD but i think it's definitely not needed. instrument cluster is not needed either. I'm very happy with just the center screen and an instrument cluster would just get in the way.
The policy of KIA is very funny regarding an app.
So there is the app in the Netherlands, in Germany, it is not offered.
But otherwise the Niro is the best compromise between price and performance.
It is going to be a basic app, not the UVO app in Korea or States. It will offer SoC, is your car locked and what was the consumption and location of the car. In the first year it will log all the data and after a year you have to pay a fee to keep all functions. But the basic functions will be free of charge. The app is the same as offered on some petrol cars from Kia in NL.
Honestly once they hit the used marked in a couple of years with 50% of todays price I will be happy to own any of those, right now its too expensive for me. My personal favourite would be the Tesla, but with basically no service centres in my country, I would go for the Hyundai or Kia, man I'm looking forward to get those one day used :D
Here in Canada the 62kwh leaf will have OTA update. Electric seats are standard with winter package. The app is more robust and have more features since Nissan partner with satellite radio services so you can set the temperature when preheating or lock/unlock the car. As for CHAdeMO the leaf out sold all others bevs put together in last quarter. Even teslas. Even Electrify Canada must include both connectors at each charger.
If Electrify Canada is like Electrify America, they'll include token CHAdeMO support, but the bulk of the stalls will be CCS only.
The key to CCS vs CHAdeMO is that nearly all new EVs for US and Canada markets are now using CCS, with just Nissan holding out. More CCS EVs must in time mean more CCS charging stalls.
Kia's order books are now open in the UK so I’ve just ordered an e-Niro. I’m looking forward to it (coming from my old Leaf) but... it just feels like such a compromise compared to the Tesla!
Good comparison, thanks. Making me aspire more towards the Tesla. Personally, the console 'wings' in the LEAF40 are literally a pain in the knee!
i would love to have a no frills, super lightweight aero model. With just apple carplay or android auto and 2 good speakers. Simple front car accident avoidance braking. No electric seats, no seat heaters, no steering wheel heater, no power windows, no electric door handles... easy to take out passenger seat when u dont need them. Just 2 or 3 seater is fine. 130kph or 100 mph is fine. I just want super high efficiency with decent range for given battery. I guess im looking for a sondors type 3 wheel or defunct super aero like aptera. Hehehe.
Bjørn, there is no mid range available in EU. Only AWD LR and Performance. Not even a confirmation that it's coming. Not unlikely a US only option. They made it so that those waiting for the standard range could buy a slightly cheaper car than LR with full $7500 tax credit.
see, I am all about electric cars and I do hope it's future but as for now there are way too many problems [in UK] in area I live.
1. we pay 14p [£0.14] per KW and 7p at night per KW. there are only 3 charging ports in area which charge at max 40kwh rate and charge minimum 30p/KW and some 55p/KW which is a lot more what you pay at home. Also people confirmed that some chargers will charge you per minutes [ you should get 40KW and you pay for 30 minutes or 1h and charger does only 20kwh, which means you pay estimate almost £1/kwh. to get charger at home I would have to pay additional £1500 to be able to charge home.
2. electric cars are way way expensive even Nissan leaf compare to traditional lets say vauxhall corsa or citroen C3...which fuel consumption is 45mpg or 55mpg on motorways
3. insurance. right now I am paying £400 fully comp and no tax as it has less than 100 emissions. to get nissan leaf my insurance would go to minimum £800 a year!
and after 3 years you can only take nissan leaf to authorized dealership and services is almost 4 times for expensive than standard citroen c3 and takes longer.
So after all these calculations even if you doing like me 70k miles+ a year, you are not really saving money to be honest. you might be saving money on fuel, but you pay a lot more for car, insurance and later a lot more for service and this is all with included £3500 given to you from government towards new ev
This is what I think about model 3 mr:
Price: 410 knok
Range: 465 km wltp (maybe more)
Charging: 119 kW ( 135 from new SuC)
I think the mid range will be way cheaper. If you use the same relationship as it is between long range and mid range in the US the price in Norway should be 400 knok. Maybe it will be slightly more expensive than that. Maybe about 410k nok. Not more I think.
Thanks Bjørn, very good information.
I would still prefer the model S, so that race between an used S and a 3 will be interesting.
I like Kona and the Leaf e+ they are my favorites model 3 is also very nice but very expensive and don’t have a cluster I like cars with cluster / dashboard
small comment: back seats in model 3 has been raised by about 5cm. so newer models are bit different then one that Bjorn tested
Leaf 62kwh also has bigger screen on the car entertainment and an e+ sticker :)
Bjørn Nyland Correction - Nissan Leaf 40 and 62kwh BOTH have electrical seats in S and SV (optional) and standard SL. not sure why you said they were manual.. I test drove an SV w/electrical (had tech package upgrade)..
Kona and Niro are very limited in availability. Especially in USA they are non-existent options; Choices in USA is really just Model 3 or Leaf for nationwide availability. Kia and Hyundai both are only releasing these in CARB ZEV states, which is only 7 out of the 50 US states. Even then, they will be massively back-ordered.
For me moment the Leaf matches my needs more than the others so... Leaf for me.
Model 3 as closest to a sports car. I think it will hold its value best. Mini will be a drivers car for sure too
Bjorn, the mid range model 3 can hit 118kW max charging. Or at least that’s the max speed I’ve observed
Thx - very informative. Ordered a 40 KW for my wife. I´m thinking of going for a model 3.
I don't know if and what Nissan has done with the new e+ Leaf, but at least on some specs it looks to be way more efficient. Might be a typo or maybe they've done something. Also notable that they didn't list battery voltage (TBC) yet. Maybe that extra power comes from just a bit higher voltage? Same motor will surely handle 10-20% higer voltage thus higher power, as long it has efficient enough cooling. Also, when you put 50% bigger battery in the same car with same consumption you heat the battery less as you use higher voltage pack thus lower amps or the bigger battery just has better (lower) internal resistance thus warming less. This tells me new e+ Leaf does not need active cooling! Old 40kWh Leaf is already almost ok, if new consumes a bit less and has +50% bigger battery - no problems. BTW Battery does not heat that much during charging. I've used LiPo batteries a lot with RC-cars and planes and you can charge with 2-3C currents and you get very little heat. Actually the heat ammount can be easily calculated with charging power and internal resistance of the pack.
Now I am so confused. I’m a LEAF guy but Tesla has the Charging Network and my next Vehicle will be a Tesla. Waiting to see the Model Y and the Pickup Truck before I purchase something.
As per the hump in the LEAF. The frame of the LEAF came from the Versa and the Versa has that hump. Nissan did use the space for the high-voltage connector for the traction battery.
Interesting to watch this now with the benefit of hindsight. Leaf would have been a no-brainer if they had implemented full battery thermal management and CCS charging. Personally, I hope they will make a Leaf #4 using a scaled-down battery developed from the Ariya. In the meantime, Niro is a better family car for long journeys. Kona doesn't have enough cargo space for a family holiday. I wouldn't consider a Tesla, but this was interesting to see all the details laid out from an expert.
Just for fun, here are the current *lowest used* Aug 2023 UK prices for these cars:
Tesla M3 £20,896; Niro 64kwh £17,698; Kona 64kwh £14,480; Leaf 62kwh £13,290.
Seems like Leaf e+ is not holding value as well as the others?
I'm definitely considering a Model 3 Performance/Long Range. I have a 40kwh Leaf already, and the most important things I'm missing is AWD and a towing bracket, plus the Tesla offers more luxury tech. Still no towing bracket, but I can't afford a Model X or Audi E-tron quattro EV (ridiculous that only the most expensive EV's have a towing bracket).
Apparently Nissan are still using their own manufactured batteries for the e-plus. The news is that the deal with LG CHEM fell through so they are using AESC batteries
An even bigger problem for the Leaf is the Short Range Model 3. Based on the European prices of the LR models, it should come in around net 32-33k Euros (plus VAT) once it is available without the Premium Package. Again, based on the WLTP range of the LR versions and the EPA data of the SR Model 3, it should also be certified for 380km. And while this version may be about 6-8 months out for European customers, with the 62 kWh Leaf limited to 5k units for Europe this year, that's not that big of a disadvantage.
Along with your famous banana box test, could you also put up the official internal space overall, BN. Then we'll know better about the cargo space, because there would be people putting packages on the front passenger seat. Plus, despite the Niro appearing to be bigger than the Kona, it's difficult to see where it is. And that could be a buying decision. I've seen your old video where you had the Niro and Kona side-by-side. And I can't recall/see where the Niro gets all this extra comfy space in the front.
Superb comparison, thank you!
With chademo and no active cooling the newer leaf just doesn't compare to the other cars available. I love the leaf design old and new, but it needs to compete.
Great review of these 4 EV's. Very interesting, and very useful video. I agree with your recommendations, and I have to say your video's are the most useful of any other youtuber I've watched, and I've pretty much watched every video on Tesla, and EV's out there. (I own a AWD M3 here in Canada).
Lol Bjorn, I like your sense of humor. Try to stay still in that studio :D
Nice comparison, but we don't have the Model 3 mid range in Europe, and possibly never. It could just have been a place holder for US market to increase production for the end of the max tax credit and production numbers, without losing to much margin. Currently, only Long range AWD starting at +-€59.000 is available, maybe for 6 months or more. After that I expect LR RWD and maybe in Q4 the standard range base model. But you never know.
Thanks a lot bjørn
I'm waiting for an EV that costs less then £20,000 to buy new. Range is at least 200 miles. I've got quite a wait.
Sofala probably 5 years away till unveil and another one for production
vw ID may be closer than these cars
Make sure you check all the subsidies and so on in your country. In Sweden the majority of cars sold is leased through the company you work at. Leasing av EV in Sweden is by far the cheapest car you can get counted in "money/km". In Sweden you can drive a leaf for about 13cent/km including everything such as electricity, depreciation, insurance, service, taxes and so on. Same price as only gas to a gas car.
@@apkungen89 Not a fan of leasing, if your financial circumstances change you could end up without a car. Also paying someone a substantial amount of money for something you don't own is not a good idea, in my opinion. I know you can pay the balloon payment and keep the car but for me that makes worse financial sense.
@@YxBaconx If VW honor what they promised regarding pricing of the id range them that could be a way into EV ownership for many of us.
Kona has the Blu link apps.
I can´t believe how cheap the Model 3 is in Norway, 425 000 NOK is insanely affordable. In Sweden the base price 650 000 SEK (620 000 NOK).
I am waiting for the new Ioniq to replace my current Ioniq. I don't like SUV too much.
Great comparison. May I suggest adding a column for efficiency? These cars all have plenty of range such that range is no longer a limited factor (hurray!). So like in ICE cars difference in fuel efficiency becomes a thing to compare these.
Based on your video I would go for the Nero but the efficiency might put me down.
"the other systems, will disengage but you will still drive until you crash and die" wow, that one got me so hard, lmao
A HUD for model 3 would be great
Another great and interesting video Bjørn!!....
Bjorn you are wrong there is a way to pre-heat or pre-cool the kona. It’s just not with an app.
I wait for the all new VW I.D Neo or crozz
Nice comparison as usual, but something very important is missing, especially when I compare with our current car (Audi A3 1.9d), reliability, how do they stack up long term? Our Audi is nearly ten years old, has never missed a beat, is very fuel efficient (up to 70 MPG), only just had its battery changed, no other issues so still going strong. We want an electric car, partially for economy, environment, but we also produce our own electricity through PV to replace the Audi... what do you reckon will be the car to last the test of time based on current ownership?
Hmmm...well, the Tesla/Hyundai/Kia haven't been out long enough to judge....not sure what you want to hear: there are decent warranties on them!
Mike Walters true enough, especially the Kia which has quite good cover. I'd guess I'd like to hear folks chipping in saying that they haven't had any issues, but as you say, it's probably premature...
@@guitarbackingtracks4386 I do know of one fella who has done over 15k miles in his Kona since Sep....a veteran of 4 EVs, the Kona was the first he has had with zero problems: he loves it!
& a test run with him told me it was a good decision for me to place an order a few months back.
Reality is that the world of EV is still 'early days': the public charging infrastructure remains shaky...but the Kona (& eNiro) appear to me to be proper 'game changers' in extending range to a point where for many people (who can easily charge at home!), EVs can be driven as they would a normal ICE.
Mike Walters that's good to hear, I'm looking at both the Niro and Kona, sensible usable range at last. I find it bizarre that companies continue to produce EV's with a 240km range, we live close to the French Pyrenees, I need to know that I can traverse them as the are no chargers up in the mountains! We will most likely hang on to the Audi until something major dies on it, but as that could be tomorrow (or possible several years) I'm trying to keep abreast of what's available. The Rivian looks interesting, if that makes it to market it will cause a stir, out of our price range, but looks great...
Model 3 mid range charges at 115kW (475 miles, 764 km per hour) and then tapers down like others.
BTW, new lens/camera? Maybe I didn't notice before but the short focal length looks very pro.
i'm still not interested in the new leaf w 62kw, number one reason, Air cooled battery and old chassis under new skin.
What about wait for 2020 Renault Zoe? 100 kW CCS charging, 50 kWh battery and more room. It should be pretty efficient and cheapest to own even after warranty + the service Renault/Nissan service network is larger than others.
And there will also be 2020 WW I.D. Neo revealed at the same time (autumn 2019).
These 2 are much better choices than all 4 cars in video. And you can get them on same time because there won´t be enough 60kWh LEAFs in 2019 and for Tesla M 3 there is a long preorder list.
The model 3 is the best looking car of these 4 hands down (in my opinion). However that big tablet and no buttons...
If I use a screen while driving I have to concentrate on the screen. You can't feel the buttons before toughing them so I have to look at them and hover my finger over the button to aim for it. Meanwhile the driving car is shaking a bit. This results in me swaying in my lane, which is unsafe. Maybe it's just me and the fact that I'm over 40, but I think I can only operate a Model 3 (basic functions like changing radio station, turning on the headlights or adjusting climate) while the car is doing the driving.
That is indeed what you need to do: driving the car. Not play around with controls/navigation etc. However If I have a new car I have to look at controls for the first few weeks anyway for airco or heating. You will get used to it. Same in Tesla and new Volvo's the button for heating is always on the same place and you will learn it.
@@martijnvangammeren1868 Bad design
Good review.
Would be good to see more footage of these cars.
Bjorn has published extensive reviews of these cars.
What about over the air updates? The Tesla updates are awsome. Even my old P85 from 2014 has for a new navigation system and finally I can also preheat the seats via the app :)
Battery's from leaf e+ are not coming from LG according to Nissan, also the 5000 units are for the zero edition. should be coming more
Nice video! One minor thing. I see you’re listing 100 kW for the max charging power for the Leaf. But doesn’t CHAdeMO have a max charging power of 50 kW? (That’s the case in the US anyway.)
Also, the Niro has Winter mode to increase battery temperature to improve charging rate during cold temperatures.
Bjorn, there two wrong facts in your video. The battery’s are not from LG-chem but from AESC (Nissan’s own batteryplant) and the 5000 units are only the 3.zero special versions. For The regular lineup with the 62kwh battery there is plenty of production available this year.
Came to see if I was the one wrong, because I remember the same. The 5K units is only for the e+ limited edition.
How is the lack of physical buttons in the model 3? For basic stuff you’d normally want to do without taking your eyes off the road like changing audio source, adjusting wipers etc? Niro/kona are tempting but no app (pre-conditioning is a key benefit of ev IMO)
Can you do a comparison of e-Niro 2019 and Soul EV 2020?
Very nice comparison!
bjorn I heard its not lg chem batteries its the in house battery supplier
The WLPT numbers for the LEAF on your video are for the 40kwh version.
I have heard that the ZERO is a special limited version. The standard e+ plus should not be limited to 5,000 per year.
+mundutik Incorrect
The 62kwh in Japan is rated as bellow on Nissan website it does not say anything about 380km. WLTP-WLTC mode 458km
www-asia.nissan-cdn.net/content/dam/Nissan/jp/vehicles/leaf/1901/top/leaf_1901_top_004.jpg.ximg.l_full_m.smart.jpg
But may be there are different wltp modes (urban, conbined) with different results, that can be confusing.
I should have my 62kWh Leaf early July here in Norway.
I've had a Leaf for over seven years now, and while it's a good car (even if battery degradation is quite noticeable now), what's putting me off getting a new(er) Nissan EV is Nissan's abysmal track record wrt. the app, the infrastructure supporting the app, and some really bad infotainment "features". Over seven years in and Nissan's app offering is still painfully slow and cumbersome, with far too frequent service outages sometimes lasting a week or more. Using a third-party app makes it slightly more bearable, but it's still dependent on the same slow & prone to outage infrastructure.
Another "failure" is the Bluetooth handsfree: It will always insist on trying to connect to the previously connected phone, even if it's nowhere near the car, and will not automatically switch to another previously paired and present phone. So if you've forgotten to switch before you set off you'd better ignore incoming calls as switching en route can be risky: Press phone button. Wait 10s for car to give up connecting to other phone. Press "paired phone". Find and press the name of your phone. Press "connect".... by now the caller will have hung up and you will have taken your eyes off the road to hit those small, closely-spaced buttons on screen long enough to pose an increased risk. My two years older Mondeo was like this when I got it. Ford however pushed out an update a year later which has the car connect to whichever previously paired phone it sees first. It's such a simple thing really, that not implementing it is unforgivable in my eyes.
Add to this Nissan's strange reluctance to implement proper battery cooling and refusal to let go of ChaDeMo and they've effectively put themselves quite far down on my list of potential EV suppliers, however good their actual cars may be...
(I've also just gotten a 2nd hand 2016 Model S, and while it's still early days everything related to software is *so* much more satisfying. Yes, the build quality wrt. panel gaps and alignments is a step down, but apart from that it seems to be well bolted together)
I think Nissan will have to back down and fit CCS charge ports for European markets at some point. I think it is the strongest reason not to buy a Leaf even though there are probably more places for Leafs to charge in the UK than there are CCS at the moment. I can see it changing because of all the other EVs coming out that will be CCS and I believe the EU has pretty much mandated a CCS standard (I think this is why Tesla is now fitting CCS on their European cars).
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