Airgun Scopes ..The Ugly Truth
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
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Cyclops Videos Joe W Rhea i noticed you only got 1 thumbs up. Dont do this for money dude..... if the product (your vids) have value, then the money will come. Build a following and sponsors will come. But depending on viewers never works...
EarthSurferUSA have another drink, sleep it off and then feel free to get back to me.
It depends on your regulatory environment. 12Ft/Lb or 6Ft/Lb power limits in UK, for instance, makes 10Yds accuracy important for some. Please be less parochial with your comments.
Just sent some $$ your way - WHY? - I watched several of your videos on mounting and zeroing scopes. I was just finishing sighting in my SWFA SS 1-4x24 Tactical 30mm Riflescope on my Weihrauch HW110ST PCP Air Rifle, FAC Version, when a fly landed on my target @150 ft - moved the cross hairs to the fly - SPLAT. Nuf Said.
Even my Wife was nailing the bullseye and she hadn't picked up a gun in 40 years.
I also used your method for the Sig Sauer SOR52001 Romeo5 1x20mm Compact 2 Moa Red Dot Sight, Black that I mounted on my Weihrauch HW44 PCP pistol - same results - no fly on the target though.
Thanks for the great scope reviews and other stuff.
Honestly that is great advice for when you go to make any larger purchase whether it's a scope a powertool or a car.
This is probably one of THE most informative and accurate video presentations on the topic of airgun optics I've seen thus far. It's always amazed me how many folks look for everything AND the kitchen sink when looking for a scope for an "AIRGUN".
Bo Hector ..Thanks Bo !!!
5yrs on, this is still relevant. 👍
The only point that I’d really contest is that an illuminated scope allows us here in the UK, where we often seem to have perpetual dusk, to have a decent extension for shooting without an NV scope.
Good, honest video. 👏👏
Also useful on FFP scopes at low magnification.
Very good video for anyone not familiar with Scope do’s & don’ts. I am new to Springers and was overthinking the whole “Springer Rated” thing. This was super helpful. Thank you!
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Had a 3-9 Centerpoint scope on my Weihrauch HW97 and thought it was okay until I switched it out for a Hawke. MY GOD the difference is UNBELIEVABLE in quality and accuracy has dramatically improved.
Yes Sir !!! Centerpoint scopes are Awful !!!!!
I really enjoyed your video. I really like how you knowledgeably explain everything.
3 years on and still relevant thanks from the UK
A really great video....finally,someone with common sense. You know, I've had as many disappointments with $300.00 plus scopes as I have had with $150- $250 scopes....maybe it's just me... And " all the bells and whistles " scopes have been disappointments,as well. I have had success buying lower end scopes as long as I've kept it simple....I'm a hunter,and the most powerful scope I have on an airgun is a 4-12 on a smallbore,and I haven't felt the need to go up from there.
Lots of VERY GOOD points. I couldn't agree more. I have lived your frustration I hate spending Leupold money but ammo isn't cheap and shooting with junk sucks. I finally learned this after buying a lot of B+ scopes. I now buy used Leupolds and don't look back.
You buy Leopolds for air rifles which would u suggest ?22 Gamo
Have just started to do my research to upgrade my scope and even though this presentation is three and a half years old I found it VERY informative and useful, a very good presentation, thank you very much for taking the time to do it. I feel better prepared to visit the gun shop!!! Guy from the UK.
Just realised ive watched this one!! watched it again👍 worth watching twice. you always speak the truth 💯 another great way video my man.
only just viewed this, but it clarified scope issues really quickly and as a complete novice I have found it really useful, thanks.
Your information screams experience sir !!! To me that's the only good way to learn and pass on knowledge. I have been airgunning for 48 years now and have been there and got the tee shirt to all your advice. Yep, I learned by experience just like you. Listen to this guy people and not the salesmen wanting your hard earned cash !!
Lol thanks Steve . Yep nothing like pissing off your hard earned money to teach a lesson that'll stick with ya
Great vid Joe! You’ve put into 15 minutes what it’s taken me 50 years of shooting to discover! 👍👍👍
Thanks John
Hi Joe, I’m not interested in an air gun scope. But love supporting you with your recent health condition. This review was4 years old, from then to now. We can see how more energy you deliver your UA-cam videos. Keep up your progress and reviews in the future. Love you like a brother from another mother. Cheers Ian from Aus
Well done video. I have to agree with you on every point. That's why I mostly shoot fixed power scopes with no bells and whistles
I wasn't looking for this video, but this is by far the best air rifle review + tips video I've seen so far! I've learned more in the past 15 minutes than the 4 weeks I'm into air rifles, haha!
Keep up the good work, man!
Spot on Joe, you touched points that I only learned as time goes by, thanks for all the awesome tips, you are badass my friend.
You my friend are the type of guy I want to meet"BEFORE"buying airgun related products I always say experience is something you get 10 mins after you need it ! ...but with you upoading stuff like this I would say Joe W Rhea will give you the benefit of his experience in time for you to use it ...knowledge is power ..thanks for your efforts appreciate the uploads
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P Last ..Thanks Dude ...I don't review a lot of stuff cause I'd just as soon not " guess " .My dad used to say smartest thing a man can say is ..I don't know :)
So true! Love it!
A whole lot of valuable advice. I just want to stress that "springer-rated" thingy: powerful brake barrels, including "nitros" (gas operated piston) ones, are SCOPE DESTROYERS. Even if you put the sliding mount (the one that allows for the scope to slide/glide back and forth during the launch of the pellet), any 100 - 300$ scope (or a holographic red/green dot sights) will start failing after a couple of hundreds of pellets being shot, even with those airgun models that are equipped with built-in shake/recoil reducers (Diana N-TECH line, Gamo Fusion/Maxim/Magnum line etc.). Do yourself a huge favor by NOT using scopes with your 20 fpe+ brake barrel. Instead, reserve scopes and holographics for CO2 operated, pump and PCP guns and LOW POWER brake barrels (caliber 177, with ~5 fpe, if you're into 25-yard bench-rest competitions) and put a firm, robust open sights (or a "peep" sights) on that brake barrel beast of yours.
Wtf is a fpe
@@babatona FootPounds of Energy
I pulled up Optics Planet in another window while watching this video. So far I have narrowed down my options from 1862 scopes to just 251. I'm sure by the time I'm finished there will only be a dozen or so that meet my requirements and I'll go from there. Thanks!
always great seeing your show JOE well done mate ...
Joe,
This is down-to-earth, no nonsense, good information. Thanks for the clear, precise, presentation. I'll be using your guidelines for my next scope purchase. Best to you.
Geo Pot ...Truly appreciate that !!! Thanks Buddy
Hi. Came across your video and was not sure what to expect. And it was great 👍What you said makes total sense and has helped me in deciding what sort of scope I will be buying. Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
Dude, I absolutely loved this video. Thanks for the advice!
Hi Joe, I just wanted to thank you for the kindness you show in putting together and in sharing your vast knowledge to help newbie like me! I have been watching all of your videos these past few weeks and have greatly improved my skills and knowledge about our great sport. Many thx from London UK. Dr Paul.
teno guy ...Paul thank you so much for your kind words . As you can tell , I learned thru hard knocks .....and wasting a Ton of money on junk ')
I know that Joe and it is kind of you letting us have the benefit of your expert knowledge. Take care bud thx once again.
I contacted customer service for my heavy springer and asked for honest guidance on recommended scopes for my particular model, then contacted those companies for their input about use on a heavy springer pellgun...I purchased two, from two different manufacturers, for test trials...to date both scopes hold zero after hundreds of shots...it DOES pay to do a little research to save your pocket book! Thanks for this video, very informative...
Tony V ...Thank S Tony !!!
superb video, most common sense and info ive ever seen ....thank you for your efforts
DaveMac . Thanks Dave
you are more than welcome. I've been shooting around 5 years and seen a lot or rubbish bandied about but i can honestly say your presentation cuts out all the waffle and gives great real world info.
One of the best videos, good honest covers all the stuff you need to know.
Big thanks great work
Thanks for being there. Been driving my self nuts with the scope issue.
Joe Martin .44vanilla@gmail.com
Like your style, short & sweet, straight to the point. Very informative. Thank You...
You are very welcome :)
Good info for the newer scope purchaser. Like Joe mentioned, there are way too many crap scopes out there. Think about it...the purpose of the scope is to be more accurate at all distances regardless of time of day (light). For new buyers of airgun scopes, concentrate on 1" tubes, 44mm OBJECTIVE lenses or even a bit smaller, 1/4 MOA reticle adjustment, and of illuminated, MINIMAL illumination--i like Leupold "Firedot" as it sucks your eye directly to the crosshair center and will allow a dusk/dawn shot that would be impossible without illumination.
I am in the thankless process of choosing a scope for my springer and I thank you for your video
meat and potatos with no fluff... my kind of vid.
northwindl ..Thanks man
Typical Joe scope video. To the point with no fanboi nonsense.
Joe, Thanks! Very informative...great points to consider.
An air-gunner who knows his stuff and can communicate it - this really helped me. Go Joe!
Thanks John
I like illuminated reticles for shooting dark colored targets, or starlings. Otherwise the black crosshairs disappear. I don’t shoot after dark, so never been blinded by the reticle. I completely agree there’s zero need for 36 colors though. Red is fine. Other than illuminated reticles, I agree with everything else, and I had to learn the hard way about the scope trashing double recoil years ago with an old Gamo Hunter 880.
Last poijnt, " DO YOUR HOMEWORK",..I am, by watching and listening to what Joe is saying here.
This makes sense, thank you Sir!
Thank You. Great video which is a must for everyone looking for a scope. Keep up the great work which you have been all these years. 10/10 👍🇬🇧🎄
A really good video which debunks a great deal of horse shot. Much appreciated.
Excellent review, This is all new to me and I have already learned a lot from watching your UA-cam channel. I have a PCP Ataman, I have looked and tried to understand what is actually needed in a good quality mid range budget. I try and watch at least 3 to 5 of your videos daily. My background is welding and fabrication, I hope to find what I need watching reviews like yours. Keep up the good and honest opinions on what your put through the paces.
Thanks for the kind words Paul
Thank you, Joe, i do appreciate your words
Dario Bisogno ..Thanks Dario , I wish I had known some of this stuff when I first got into airguns
Joe, I need the cold hard truth and I know youre the guy for it, I love your videos and i believe everything you say. Im getting a Hawke sport vantage 4-12x40 Mil Dot. Will my break barrel Umarex fuel .177 (about 700 shots through it) break the scope like people say. This reverse recoil stuff scares me, if not ill just put it on my .22 rimfire when i go to the firing range. Any response is appreciated. Love the videos, keep them coming!
XXAbbott ...The Hawke Vantage is actually a pretty tough scope . That being said , its not what Hawke considers their most heavy recoil rated scope . But I wouldn't sweat it . Hawke is Really good about warranty .
Very well put together. l like your voice inflection, tempo. well edited, got your point across without any extra drivel. Felt like i was listening to a wise uncle, short of using my name.
Lol Thanks for that .. Expensive lessons learned
Nearly switched off Joe, but you were immediately engaging and talked sense from the outset, all with a nice conversational way. Thanks.
Had you never see JOE second to none professional work ALWAYS thinking of the best interest for US. You keep the rest except DOES and Mike with Gideon, his technicals as JOE are well Brilliant... SEE for yourself...
The thing is most expensive scopes are for long ranges because that's where you need an expensive scope. I can consistently hit a lime at 25 yards with open sights. A nice center-point scope will get killshot accuracy every time and for less than 200 dollars you can get a hawk or nikon that will be more accurate than any airgun is capable of at any distance. Also if you use a springer you need a springer-rated scope which adds weight and cost, yeah most of them aren't really "spring rated" so you have to do the homework to find a good one. Great point about the useless features and "free" extras.
Thanks Joe... I’m glad to see someone use some common sense on this subject. As someone who has WAY to many airguns, let me just say, from the perspective of a hunter...
1) Many ffp scopes make it very difficult to see the reticle at low power, particularly in brush..... sometimes a lighted reticle can help, a song as you can dial it down.
2) in an effort to lighten a big bore large game air rifle, I tried a slug gun 2-7 scope , factory set parallax at 50 yds... I have 3 of them now, and they work great... they weigh 11 oz
3) going to high in power also has another disadvantage to hunters...6 power is a lot less steady off hand than 3 or 4 power.... if you’re a small game sniper, you’ll need to shoot offhand way more often than you’ll need to crank it up to 20 or 24 power.... as Joe said , stick to 4-12, or 4-16
Neal, you make some good points, but a rifle is moving around, while being aimed, the same amount whether a 24 X scope is mounted, or a 4. The movement is just easier to see thru a higher magnifying scope.
Thank you Cy, been a great help my friend !
Very Welcome man
I have a spring and nitro piston which love to tear up scopes, maybe I should have watched this before switching to pcp rifles but maybe not. I was doomed to get in deep anyway. Good video, thanks.
Gotta say , I love this mans open & honest approach. He reminds me of my favourite Uncle.
Really well done. Great and helpful advice. Thanks.
I like this guy, honest & knowledgeable, i only shoot weihrauch springers & im fed up with having to re zero everytime i use them, i have hawke & nikko stirling scopes, problem is i really dont want to spend more on the scopes than i did the rifles.
I have hw99s hw95 & hw97
Awesome resource for scope purchase thanks a ton for the video......subscribed!
Michael Procenzano ..Thanks Michael ...A buddy who used to sell cars told me ....People buy the sizzle , not the steak . Scope purchases are the same way
Thank you . Just found your site . Very informative. I've shot regular firearms all my life I'm new to the air rifle side of the house . I've shot bows, rifles, pistols, machine guns , and grenade launchers. This was awesome thank you very much!
Thanks very much for a well explained and rational advice video. I will indeed listen to your advice. Regards from England.
Thanks you gave me the most information and the only information i needed, thanks man!!!!
You are very welcome man 🍻
Excellent video
Thank you
I just happened to be shopping for a scope for my Magnum.
Subscribed!
Just thought I’d add a couple of bits from my experience , if that’s okay?
6x42 is all you need.....imho! It gives the retina the full and unimpeded transference of light from the scope.
I have an old Schmidt Bender Hungarian 6x42 and it’s fantastic....only drawback being its a Duplex crosshair. Schmidt Bender now do a 3-12x42 with a mil dot reticle and I’ll be looking for one of these soon (it’ll be set on 6 Mag and left there).
Mounts: Sportsmatch do a set of adjustable mounts (not cheap). These allow you to optically Centre your scope, set it on the rifle, shoot a group and then Zero the scope by adjusting the mounts. Works a treat and everything is then fully aligned.
Illuminated reticles: the dimmest setting needs to be really dim. My first illuminated scope was (a) so bright that I lost the target and (b) the brightness spooked the rabbits.....
As Looney Tunes used to say “That’s all Folks”.......😜
Thanks for the great vids and happy shooting to all! 🤪👍🏻👍🏻
Just subscribed brother. The only time I've ever bought optics with illuminated reticle is if I'm using it for coyote hunting at night. It helps allot when your not searching for the center of the cross hairs. Keep up the good work man
So you don't believe in etched reticle. They save lives, I will argue that ALL DAY!!!!!!
You are spot on correct i go by the same when shopping for a 22lr scope sometimes more is not better ( great video )
As Joe said Glass and construction is 90%. THE 10% is proper magnification. I should know as a56 year professional photographer shooting national geo, nascar, pro sports , you name it.
Good, honest , informative video. Thank you.
Very informative, thank you.
Thanks buddy. Great tips and advice.
Dude I love HONESTY and you SIR have that in spades...THANK YOU
Thanks Heath
This is one of those videos that's satisfying to watch when it confirms that you did things right in buying a scope.
My two working airguns have Falcon Optics 4-18x44 FFP scopes. These are 30mm tube construction with a half MRAD line reticle. Everyone who looks through them loves the image quality and clarity. These are my goto scopes for shooting out to 70 yards at targets with sub 12 fpe rifles.
My bench target rifle has a MTC Viper Pro 5-30x50 scope. By your assessment it's a pure indulgence and you're absolutely right but I love it. Sometime I'm going to take this one away from the bench and use it for Field Target competition just to use some of those extra features.
Thank you for an excellent video.
Neil Darlow .Thanks Neil for your post ...and Yes you have 2 winners there !!!
JOE and all mtc swat 5x30 what do you think. I have the ghost in. 22 and it's a tack driver at 25 yds 5 shot 2 to 3 holes tops .
Thanks for your video! Very interesting and informative video!
Love your videos! Great info on here. I am not having much luck with airgun scopes. The POS that came free with my Crosman Diamondback 22 (Centerpoint junk) was destroyed in less than 200 shots. (it just ripped whatever spring system they used to adjust the elevation) So I then bought a Nikko Sterling 4-12 x 50 and it lasted about another 500 shots until the recoil detached the front eye glass and cracked it (This has been returned for refund...however, it cost me almost $80 postage to get a $100 refund due to my location, so not a bargain by any means) I have now ordered the Hawke Airmax AMX 4-12 x 50, so we will see if it fares any better. The Crosman must have a vicious bit of recoil, it doesn't feel too bad, but it kicks very fast. Out of curiosity, you do seem to know quite a bit about police officers shining their torches at you...…..Hmmmm. Good recommendations on scope magnification - Some of the best, clearest and crispest scopes I ever owned were some old BSA scopes from the 1980's - fixed 4 x 32 with a single crosshair and a tapered single arrow point for the vertical reference. You could shoot pin point with these old things - not fantastic over large variation of range, but zeroed in at 40-50 yards they were amazing. Problem is these days 99% of all of these airgun scopes are made in China! (Probably most of the lenses all come from one supplier, all of the bodies from another and then simply printed with a brand name). I sadly have to import all of my gear as the local suppliers are nothing but counterfeiters, I can buy a "Leupold " scope here for less than $30, what a bargain! Just complete JUNK COPY - we even have "RED DOT BSA" that are on special for about $10! - Why I pay $250 to import a decent scope from the UK.
Of I may go off subject for a sentence: And allowed because the lawmakers are just as worthless; appointed by computer involvement allowed by the people.
It's the way u mount your scope is why they fall apart. Stay away from the middle part with the rings.
@@dmo848 Thanks, but it is the scopes not being up to the double recoil of the gas piston. Most scope manufactureres nowadays will not recommend their products for these air rifles, and some manufacturers that used to warranty them on an airgun, have dropped this warranty. I never mount the scope close to the centre adjustment turrets, I always try and get the spacing as far apaert as possible. Most of the scopes I have used also come with a solid back stop that fits into a small blind hole in the rear of the gun, which probably adds to the shock factor during recoil.
I've watched a lot of vids today (not just on scopes) and you my man are the best. at last no BS. thank you.
You are very welcome. I should be on social media to help grow my channel but just don't have the time ...I figure if my videos are good enough the channel will grow :)
Nicely done touching on all the important points.
I would have loved it if you would have shown some of your scopes and gave recommendations.
I have a ton of other optics videos
A very well thought out video and a new subscriber because of it. On one of my magnums in .177 I have a UTG 3-12X44 AccuShot SWAT IE scope zeroed @ 25yds and she's been on her for three years. Heck I've knocked the gun over on wood floors (I know, bad me) and she held her zero. Now I do use my illuminated reticle at times, but at the very lowest setting. I agree. it will blind you!
One thing I would like to add is scope weight. It has been my experience, a heavier scope on a lighter gun keeps balance, and the opposite for a heavy gun. I have two Benjamin Trails in .177 and .22. and I put a big old scope on this very heavy gun; big mistake and my shots were all over. Put a light compact on one, and there it was. Now the UTG is close to 1.5 lbs. and the rifle she's on, my killer, weighs just 6.1 lbs., so combined with the mount and scope she's lovely. I did weight and cork the hollow stock for better center and noise reduction.
New fan, good sir!
Freejack Prepper amen... use a low setting for a lighted mildot/recticle. thats a good way to do it.
Ive run utgs on springers, pcps and center fires. all hold zero, all handle a nock. good value budget scope. If I could afford more i'd go top shelf but I cannot so these do the job well with all the crap.
Thanx, I jusst ordered the UTG BugBuster 3-12x32 and was getting abit worried
That's a good video!! Thank you for that information.
Thank you for the good upload, very helpful.
Good Vid Mr. Joe!
I can see why you got into trouble one a certain forum. The truth, plain spoken just doesn't seem to set well with a lot of , well, anti gun, pro air gun folks. Grrrrrr!!!
Joe Rhea, telling it like it is, and staying in trouble for it! Sounds familiar. Keep up the good fight Joe.;
Great video.
Spring guns and pcps are very different.
A good pcp scope is one that tracks and I lean toward the tactical type that cost too much.
Vortex 2.5-10 PST ffp, it tracks really well, focuses down to 20 yards and the glass is fantastic. Of course I put scopes on pretty high quality Airguns.
Yeah, you're right, don't be lured in by the stupid case or rings or flipups they add on, total gimmick.
From my experience as each airgun likes a pellet more than the others, each gun has a scope that fits more.
I have locking and resettable turrets on mine...probably not "needed" features, but I'm glad I have them
"UTG BugBuster 3-12X32 Scope, Mil-dot Reticle, 1/3 MOA AO, 1" Tube, Med. Dovetail Rings"
Watching this again and more relevant than ever! Excellent 👍
Great Information. Love your channel. Thanks 👍
Always learn something from your scope videos. Hawke Vantage SF works great for my needs. I have six. I use vintage Redfields on my pretty German spring-piston rifles too. They dial in , dope, and look awesome with the blued steel matching the blue of the barrel. Awesome video!
Good, detailed tips. Appreciate it
Yup and what you say is no crap, i have a really old Springer! And I gave up!! Now days I only use open sight
One of the best reviews I have read, thanks for being honest!!!
Very informative. Thank you😁👌
A really cool video. I always appreciate these Cyclops videos.
I'm out to get myself a 3-12 or -16 scope. And money is an issue. My cheap 4x32 Tasco is very good - but over 30m is getting a bit far away for it. Just found a 4-16 scope sold online for 80 bucks. Surely has that unnecessary illumination feature - but I do not need to use it. Might be a bad, or a good scope - but all I want is some more magnification. If it just holds zero on a PCP, then it's enough for me. My airgun ain't that accurate either. Just wanna aim as center of the group as possible.
Very much appreciate the no nonsense approach! Great video
Great video. Thanks for sharing this info.
Thanks for the good advice and info!
I love my utg..it just happens to have 36 colors..your right I don't use it much , but when I do , I love the white retical ..3x12x44 w/ side wheel . great scope for a hundred bucks ( the retical could be thinner )
Glad to have found your channel. thank you
JC Knives Thanks JC ! I truly enjoy making them videos ...And every once in a while I'm able to help out somebody
with astronomy as my prime hobby I easily agree with every piece of optical advice provided here - always buy the best optics you can afford using reviews, knowledgeable trusted advice and if possible personally trying them out. . There are many advertisements making many false claims to rip you off.
Excellent video. I have an aim optics scope. 40 bucks eBay. It has a mill dot reticle and adjustable objective. 10' to infinity focus.
Learn something new everyday thanks. I've heard a lot of good things about Discovery scopes. Not sure which one to get for my .25 PCP
Joe I really like the lil compact 3-12 . It's really clear . But at 200$ the Bushnell AR is worth a look also
I have two of the Leupold 3-9 33mm air rifle scopes from 10 years ago. They're both still working though other scopes I've given away or stacked in a corner useless after using them. Glad to hear and see the line still available though modernized for about the same amount of investment.
I've always felt lower power was better for clarity and safety (wider field of clear view around target).
To me , those are some of the very best scopes ever made !
Well structured video -- and very informative. Thanks!
Thank You
Very good video Joe. Very good advice you give. I have many scopes, and you get what you pay for.
frederick king ..On rifle scopes more than anything else I can think of !!!
Great video buddy - always appreciated.
Thanks Harry
Sound advice. Thanks very much
Could you give us some recommendations please?
Thanks you've taught me something today so thanks again.😃
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge...
Ted Day ..Its mostly hard learned lessons and a Huge pil of screw ups that got me here. Lol. But you are Very Welcome Ted