Which fight did you think was the hardest? Or if there’s any fights you think I should’ve mentioned, which fights are they? Let me know in the comments below
I fought Kieran with a team made up entirely of level 100 Pokemon that were EV trained and IV bred, and still lost 3 of them in the battle. I imagine that he must have been an absolute menace had my team been at level 80 like his.
The difference between level 100 and 80 is honestly not that big compared to the difference between, say, 60 and 80. By that point everything has 80 levels worth of stat boosts so the extra 20 levels isn’t that big of a deal. Definitely still gives a meaningful advantage but it’s not as big as you’d think. Pokémon games don’t normally have level curves that high so no one really notices this.
@@veljkokravic15 I got the game before anyone I knew and it was my first game. I had no idea there were methods to beating it like that. I was frustrated for a month on it lol. I got lucky and my primaria touched out an attack and landed a crit moonblast lol
Red doesn't use Earthquake because HE'S ON TOP OF A F**KING MOUNTAIN ...but seriously though, just bring something that _does_ and his pikachu is toast also I feel like Kieran's movesets are so subpar is because he's supposed to be actually somewhat beatable lmao
@@jointser1008Pikachu- weak to Ground Venusaur- neutral to ground Blastoise- neutral to Ground Charizard- immune to ground Espeon-nuetral to ground Snorlax-neutral to ground
@@hylianhero1921 I am talking about reds weakness to ELECTRIC types while none of his pokemons knows anything to counter electric I am talking about red from HGSS btw. Lapras,blastoise and charizard all have a weakness against electric.
Red is carried hard by a massive level spike from Gen 2’s poor scaling mixed with permanent Hail. A good electric type or something with bolt-beam coverage absolutely wrecks him. I never really understood why people feared Cynthia for a long time, I never had any trouble with her and beat her first try in any game she appeared in on my first play throughs. And then BDSP happened… Granted, they went balls to the wall with the league’s difficulty so it’s understandable for anyone to struggle, but still, she arguably puts some smogon sweats to shame. Volo is a hard fight even if you bring level 100 legendaries to the battle. It’s less so about team composition and more so about game mechanics. Volo’s battle is like a game of chess, pieces being taken every turn, and then all of a sudden Volo uses a style or gets a lucky crit and a chainsaw goes flying through the chess board. Kieran is surprisingly straight forward. No environmental gimmicks mixed with poor game design, no balls to the wall competitive strats, no Uno Reverses, just your standard fair with a bit more sauce to it. He’s arguably the perfect example of what a good end game battle should be, tough but nothing ludicrous. Personally, none of them compare to Eri though lol. That girl kicked my ass 10 times and threw the match out of pity on the 11th. Even after I EV & IV trained my team she was still thrashing me. Hardest fight I’ve ever dealt with in the whole series.
i think in cynthia's case is she's really hard if you're blind with pokemon her whole thing was being unexpected and difficult without prep unless it's bdsp. no one knew what weakness spiritomb has becasue well... it had none in gen 4 without fairy type and then insert meme of walking into the wrong house in undella town with no time to heal.
Her and Drayton (the Dragon E4 member from Indigo Disc) were the only 2 to hand me L's in SV. But I feel Ultra Necrozma should have replaced Kieran on this list. If you didn't Toxic spam him or cheese him with Zoroark, he was an absolute menace
If Cynthia gave Porygon-Z Tri Attack and Psyshock/Psychic alongside Bolt-Beam, replaced Garchomp's Poison Jab with Iron Head, and used Mega Lucario, her team would be 10/10.
(I’m gonna piss so many people of with this) Honestly, I’d switch out Red for one of the AI profferers, since the thing that makes Red so hard is the levels, not necessarily the Pokémon themselves. Meanwhile, not only are all of the professors Pokemon 570 BST or higher, you don’t even know what types they are going in, leading to this guessing game that can potentially give them free turns. Turo is particularly nasty in this regard, since not one of his “Iron” Pokemon are even steel types.
The only reason why some people had difficulty with the ai professors is because the 6 Pokemon in their teams were unknown but also familiar species. Also the element of suprise that is their new typings AND the Ace holding a Booster Energy, that automatically activates the ability I really don't think the professors are challenging at all since we now have Information on the Paradox Pokemon
@@mr.lantern1111 once you know what types the paradox Pokémon are they aren’t very difficult to handle. At that point of the game your Pokémon should have around almost perfect IVs, great coverage, and held items.
Would replace Red for Iris rematch team from BW2 hardmode, however Red is one of the four horseman due to his high levels not his slightly above average team.
@@jointser1008 Oh yeah, that would definitely be my other choice if we aren’t taking into account changed type matchups in the AI fights. That fight made her my favorite champion
@@ethanfassler-md1rg That's true for the most part, as before the Indigo Disk released, most of us built new teams to take on Double battles The ones who went in blind struggled in the Blueberry Elite 4 too
I understand what you mean by having a team likely built strictly for single battles, but, the only battles you fight in the BB League are Doubles. I'd HOPE to have a team built strictly on Doubles... oh wait: Myriga the Espeon Dyguino the Umbreon Citadark the Triumphant Typhlosion Ostyrix the Triumphant Quagsire Lanayru the Triumphant Ampharos Nyxorius the Triumphant Flygon Yeah, these six were MADE for doubles because that's all you fight in Colosseum. So, these 6 have a story. But, it was beautiful to see Kieran fall to the tag team of Myriga & Dyguino. They started off the adventure in Orre and they defeated Kieran's Hydrapple, ending his reign. I get what you mean though, since players may be too accustomed to Single Battles, so when you fight Lacey at the start and get jumpscared by a double battle.
Like this video! When I was a kid playing GSC for the first time and noone knew you could even find Red at the top of Mount Silver the level gap absolutely made it a bigger deal, I get why it wasnt accounted for here, but at the time it was rare to grind pokemon up that high and when you found him you were likely 20ish levels behind him, was a goal to reach for. Thats why the fight has mystique in my mind, less so the team compositions competitiveness
I feel like people undermine how difficult red was, yes I admit that he was mainly difficult due to the level jump but at the same time he was a battle that expected you to be a casual player was a casual team compensation. Which is similar to his team compensation that was fairly simple and the over level difference was just to make up the lack of better AI as you could fairly run through the entire game under level with no issue with how predictable the AI was with bad moves
I was down to my last mon against Drayton, but for Kieran I just had Ogerpon Ivy Cudgel his whole team and won. Bonus seeing him freak out about Ogerpon.
For each DLC I explored the new region with only my starter and built a new team to take on the challenges, I love Kitakami and my team there and my team on the BB Academy/indigo disk. But my main team members from the actually game that had good stats, moves and type coverage all around always came back for the final parts like a fight with Kieran or Ogapon. So truthfully I did find Kieran to be a little bit harder when bringing my team built best for singles to a 2 v 2 competitive again Kieran as his team had some thought put into the strategies. Still beat him first try but it was nice to see his character actually progress and get more difficult and actually seem like a better trainer.
I will admit that Red doesnt have the best movesets, but they werent going to drastically change his team from gen 2 up to gen 4 and his party is more built on lore than on strategy. It was difficult back in GSC because of not only the levels but that team being built of some really hard to deal with pokemon for the days when there were only 251 to pick from. They updated it to give all the starters the "ultimate attacks" that they could get in FRLG (including Pikachu with Volt Tackle) and then gave him the gift pokemon that a player would receive in the gen 1 games in Lapras and Snorlax, kinda giving him the canonical gen 1 Yellow team. I'm not mad that hes not the strongest but I feel like being able to see his team is the most special out of all of them.
Cynthia was crazy when I first fought her but volo staight up had her team,and two stages of giratina. You have to remember the game didn’t have many trainer battles, so it was even harder for me. I never got to fight red but kieran was easy because I was a few lvls higher.
Here’s my experience Red is unranked cuz I haven’t fought him. Kieran is 3rd because my Pokémon were level 100 and built for double battles. Volo is 2nd. I actually beated him first try but it was a little bit challenging. I feel the battle mechanics of PLA is what really screwed me up however. Strong style and agile style confuse me and there weren’t enough battles to help me understand. Cynthia is first place because I took so many tries to beat her in BDSP and that’s not including her rematch team.
I don’t think one recharge move on the porygon should lower her. It can act like a pseudo explosion when porygon is ready to be sacked but she needs the KO first. Every mon having one is bad, but one having one when it can do stupid power is fine.
I might just be a Speedster fanboy, but I'd swap Red out for BW Ghetsis. Hydreigon in a limited Dex is insane. I feel like the only hard part of Red's fight is that you have to grind for it
This video ignores the fact that PLA has a very different battle system with more limited moveset options. Volo’s moveset might not be crazy but yours isn’t either. Also the turn system is reworked so that you pretty much have to get hit by all of his Pokémon.
Honestly, I think they did that just so you’d have a sure fire way of beating that thing. Her team is already so balls to the wall that I dare say Iron Head would be overkill
I’m surprised to find out people thought Kieran was a hard battle, idk if it was my team that made it easy or what but I thought it woulda been harder. I definitely agree with the other 3 tho
@@SMBZYT honestly don’t remember, I didn’t wanna spoil his team so I didn’t know what the levels were but I’d cap myself out at the level of the last boss I’d fight
For me Kieran is by far the best on his team with the strategic pokemon except hydrapple in addition to this duo fight and even in level he far exceeds Cynthia but it depends if there are people who went there with their team level 100
Red was never a technically difficult fight - he's got a properly diverse theme, but it was always the monstrously sky-high levels compared to anything else you've fought up to that point that makes him strong. BDSP are very poorly thought of overall in hindsight, but they did one important notable thing: they existed to firmly re-establish Cynthia as _THE_ most terrifyingly powerful Champion in Pokemon history, bar none.
red isn't even difficult in my opinion. if anything, he's more tedious because you have to grind all your Pokémon by having to wait for rematches. especially with how bad the level curve is in HG/SS to be able to level up decently. but once you do reach near his level, he's a walk in the park
The person you’re referring two with red hair only has one legendary and only uses 3 pokemon and I didn’t include the gen 4 rival’s father since he is located within a battle facility, which I didn’t count
Honestly I’m not sure how to get the volo fight I’m probably going to have level 100s by the time I found out how after beating the main quest I’ve been playing casual filling in the dex time to time and just doing whatever missions I have in the area I pick the most fun Pokemon game in a long time for me actually makes me want to complete it
Kieran is decently tough, but red is an absolute joke. His team is poorly built. Having all 3 kanto starters does not mean that you’re “strong”. He is only difficult if ur like, 10 - 15 Lvls lower. If ur at the same lvl, he’s a total pushover. His pikachu contributes nothing to the overall fight, the kanto starters while ok each one can be easily countered, lapras is a stupid replacement over his espeon from the original gold and silver games, and snorlax is probably the only actaully challenging mon on his team.
Kieran exists Volo gave me the most struggle due to my stubbornness not to use legendary pokemon (most of the time) and the distinct battle system and giratina times 2 Cynthia is tough because she’s consistent, but the only times I lose is due to her Milotic or Garchomp surviving off rng after I obliterate the other but it’s weird you can technically just beat her with Gyarados or Garchomp setup against Spiritomb Red has steep levels but generally speaking, without metagaming, the freeze chance is devastating, any sweeper faster than Pikachu on a roll won’t stop short of crippling the team Realistically facing Red or Cynthia at the Battle Tree was more of a hassle since their brains were turned on and mega evolution exists but those aren’t really main game
Honestly I had more trouble with all of the other Blueberry Elite 4 members than Kieran. They overwhelmed you with a lot of the same type while Kieran’s team was balanced so each month could be countered by something different. Also Porygon-Z is too slow and Grimsnarl + Incin was redundant. The Politoed + Dragonite lead was pretty tough though.
The three move reason is one that people never get why they are designed with. Its a cheap trick to make the ai smarter. Less option,its gona do less mistake. Is it lazy? Yeah but its gamefreak,they are lazy.
Which fight did you think was the hardest? Or if there’s any fights you think I should’ve mentioned, which fights are they? Let me know in the comments below
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Platinum Cynthia was a pushover when i ran through it the first time. BDSP Cynthia decided my karma was awful and punished me accordingly
Volo pulling out the Cynthia team (yes arcanine i know) into the double Giratina battle honestly made me have to grind levels to get to 70 ish
Umbreon saved me at the end cuz bro was cheating
I no diff'd that b¡tch. Underlevelled, no items, first try.
I fought Kieran with a team made up entirely of level 100 Pokemon that were EV trained and IV bred, and still lost 3 of them in the battle. I imagine that he must have been an absolute menace had my team been at level 80 like his.
I fought him around his levels and did lose a few guys but I beat the fight first try
The difference between level 100 and 80 is honestly not that big compared to the difference between, say, 60 and 80. By that point everything has 80 levels worth of stat boosts so the extra 20 levels isn’t that big of a deal. Definitely still gives a meaningful advantage but it’s not as big as you’d think. Pokémon games don’t normally have level curves that high so no one really notices this.
Ultra necrozma was Cynthia for 3ds players. Crazy stats and if you didn’t cheese your way through it it was a insane fight
me spamming quick claw with full revives lol
@@veljkokravic15 I got the game before anyone I knew and it was my first game. I had no idea there were methods to beating it like that. I was frustrated for a month on it lol. I got lucky and my primaria touched out an attack and landed a crit moonblast lol
@@WyattStone-lx5wc lol i saw a lot of people used toxic or endeavor but i thought it was boring so i went with brute force and reviving pokemon
Kid named FEAR level 1 rattata with sash Endeavor and Quick Attack
Facts!!! Ultra Necrozma should replace Kieran on this list
I know exactly why Red doesn't use earthquake!
To cause the mountain to destroy?
@@exeggutivejudge3747 and it was the tm given by the leader of team rocket who steals and sells pokemon
@@Mojaveknight17 Aaaah, great attention to detail then
You can use Fire moves in tall grass and not burn the whole field down. Pokemon battles have no impact on the overworld!
@alexvaughan1013 it's just a theory a pokemon battle theory!
iris:how how are you more difficult than me?
Kieran:idk
Ultra Necrozma: "Hello darkness my old friend🎶"
Red doesn't use Earthquake because HE'S ON TOP OF A F**KING MOUNTAIN
...but seriously though, just bring something that _does_ and his pikachu is toast
also I feel like Kieran's movesets are so subpar is because he's supposed to be actually somewhat beatable lmao
a grave mistake considering 50% of his pokemons have electric weakness.
@@jointser1008Pikachu- weak to Ground
Venusaur- neutral to ground
Blastoise- neutral to Ground
Charizard- immune to ground
Espeon-nuetral to ground
Snorlax-neutral to ground
@@hylianhero1921 I am talking about reds weakness to ELECTRIC types while none of his pokemons knows anything to counter electric I am talking about red from HGSS btw. Lapras,blastoise and charizard all have a weakness against electric.
Red is carried hard by a massive level spike from Gen 2’s poor scaling mixed with permanent Hail. A good electric type or something with bolt-beam coverage absolutely wrecks him.
I never really understood why people feared Cynthia for a long time, I never had any trouble with her and beat her first try in any game she appeared in on my first play throughs. And then BDSP happened… Granted, they went balls to the wall with the league’s difficulty so it’s understandable for anyone to struggle, but still, she arguably puts some smogon sweats to shame.
Volo is a hard fight even if you bring level 100 legendaries to the battle. It’s less so about team composition and more so about game mechanics. Volo’s battle is like a game of chess, pieces being taken every turn, and then all of a sudden Volo uses a style or gets a lucky crit and a chainsaw goes flying through the chess board.
Kieran is surprisingly straight forward. No environmental gimmicks mixed with poor game design, no balls to the wall competitive strats, no Uno Reverses, just your standard fair with a bit more sauce to it. He’s arguably the perfect example of what a good end game battle should be, tough but nothing ludicrous.
Personally, none of them compare to Eri though lol. That girl kicked my ass 10 times and threw the match out of pity on the 11th. Even after I EV & IV trained my team she was still thrashing me. Hardest fight I’ve ever dealt with in the whole series.
i think in cynthia's case is she's really hard if you're blind with pokemon her whole thing was being unexpected and difficult without prep unless it's bdsp. no one knew what weakness spiritomb has becasue well... it had none in gen 4 without fairy type and then insert meme of walking into the wrong house in undella town with no time to heal.
@@AizakkuAdomanPeople keep forgetting that you can decline to fight Cynthia after you enter that house.
Cynthia was tougher than Eri. I rematched them and everything and it still stands that Cynthia is way harder.
@@SS-yj2le I’m talking from personal experience, from their initial fights
Her and Drayton (the Dragon E4 member from Indigo Disc) were the only 2 to hand me L's in SV. But I feel Ultra Necrozma should have replaced Kieran on this list. If you didn't Toxic spam him or cheese him with Zoroark, he was an absolute menace
I think Ghetsis deserves to be here
tf? Ghetsis was not tough at all
And Ultra Necrozma
If Cynthia gave Porygon-Z Tri Attack and Psyshock/Psychic alongside Bolt-Beam, replaced Garchomp's Poison Jab with Iron Head, and used Mega Lucario, her team would be 10/10.
Yeah and if Red just replaced his Pikachu with Eternamax Eternitus, then he would be a 40/30
BDSP doesn’t have megas…
@@mr_red3 I know, but they should. If they did, the games would be more popular.
Volo ruined me for a minute, I think that's the first story battle I had to grind for
I knew of the battle beforehand because I got the game late and was prepared and knew what to expect, and he still destroyed me I had to grind too
(I’m gonna piss so many people of with this)
Honestly, I’d switch out Red for one of the AI profferers, since the thing that makes Red so hard is the levels, not necessarily the Pokémon themselves.
Meanwhile, not only are all of the professors Pokemon 570 BST or higher, you don’t even know what types they are going in, leading to this guessing game that can potentially give them free turns.
Turo is particularly nasty in this regard, since not one of his “Iron” Pokemon are even steel types.
The only reason why some people had difficulty with the ai professors is because the 6 Pokemon in their teams were unknown but also familiar species. Also the element of suprise that is their new typings AND the Ace holding a Booster Energy, that automatically activates the ability
I really don't think the professors are challenging at all since we now have Information on the Paradox Pokemon
@@mr.lantern1111 once you know what types the paradox Pokémon are they aren’t very difficult to handle. At that point of the game your Pokémon should have around almost perfect IVs, great coverage, and held items.
Would replace Red for Iris rematch team from BW2 hardmode, however Red is one of the four horseman due to his high levels not his slightly above average team.
@@jointser1008 Oh yeah, that would definitely be my other choice if we aren’t taking into account changed type matchups in the AI fights.
That fight made her my favorite champion
@@thepowerscaler5217the still have meta pokemon tho. Sada has FLUTTER MANE for crying out loud which slams all of Red’s team
I never struggled with Cynthia until bdsp
being hard runs in the family when it comes to volo and cynthia
Cynthia and Volo gave about 15 L's when facing them. Kieran gave me problems but I never lost to him and Red only gave me problems due to level curve.
I’m more surprised superboss Nemona’s final rematch team didn’t make this list.
Whoever thinks Kieran is a hard fight is insane. I had an easy time with this guy
I did too, but most people struggled with him it seems
@@SMBZYT I guess it depends on the team ur using
Me too
@@ethanfassler-md1rg That's true for the most part, as before the Indigo Disk released, most of us built new teams to take on Double battles
The ones who went in blind struggled in the Blueberry Elite 4 too
If you didn’t over level him, he actually does become insanely difficult
I understand what you mean by having a team likely built strictly for single battles, but, the only battles you fight in the BB League are Doubles. I'd HOPE to have a team built strictly on Doubles... oh wait:
Myriga the Espeon
Dyguino the Umbreon
Citadark the Triumphant Typhlosion
Ostyrix the Triumphant Quagsire
Lanayru the Triumphant Ampharos
Nyxorius the Triumphant Flygon
Yeah, these six were MADE for doubles because that's all you fight in Colosseum. So, these 6 have a story. But, it was beautiful to see Kieran fall to the tag team of Myriga & Dyguino. They started off the adventure in Orre and they defeated Kieran's Hydrapple, ending his reign. I get what you mean though, since players may be too accustomed to Single Battles, so when you fight Lacey at the start and get jumpscared by a double battle.
Never knew people had issues with Kieran saw more people complaining about the AI professors instead.
Might be since people were better prepared for Kieran than the AI professors + we had better Pokémon cause of the new Pokemon in the dlc
Not to mention that final pokemon has booster energy, I remember using a speed focused gardevoir to outkill the killer
I’m so glad I found out he was a horseman before going into battle all willynilly lol
Not to mengtion ultra necrozma. Probbaly the hardest single pokémon. But they're not a trainer w a team so i get it
Whitney looks at them and do her malignant laugh
Like this video!
When I was a kid playing GSC for the first time and noone knew you could even find Red at the top of Mount Silver the level gap absolutely made it a bigger deal, I get why it wasnt accounted for here, but at the time it was rare to grind pokemon up that high and when you found him you were likely 20ish levels behind him, was a goal to reach for. Thats why the fight has mystique in my mind, less so the team compositions competitiveness
Cynthia wins because of her music alone. No other champion has a chance.
I feel like people undermine how difficult red was, yes I admit that he was mainly difficult due to the level jump but at the same time he was a battle that expected you to be a casual player was a casual team compensation. Which is similar to his team compensation that was fairly simple and the over level difference was just to make up the lack of better AI as you could fairly run through the entire game under level with no issue with how predictable the AI was with bad moves
He is targeted towards simple casual players who don’t go out of their way to train their mons and simple choose their favorite Pokémon
Red, Cynthia, and Kieran were super *EASY*
I'm scared of Volo, so I'm training my Pokemon to their fullest potential
For me Drayton was way harder than Kieran.
He was harder for me too but that’s only because I fought him with only 4 pokemon
I was down to my last mon against Drayton, but for Kieran I just had Ogerpon Ivy Cudgel his whole team and won. Bonus seeing him freak out about Ogerpon.
Facts. Used a whole Lv. 100 Cynthia-inspired team and still got humbled
For each DLC I explored the new region with only my starter and built a new team to take on the challenges, I love Kitakami and my team there and my team on the BB Academy/indigo disk.
But my main team members from the actually game that had good stats, moves and type coverage all around always came back for the final parts like a fight with Kieran or Ogapon.
So truthfully I did find Kieran to be a little bit harder when bringing my team built best for singles to a 2 v 2 competitive again Kieran as his team had some thought put into the strategies.
Still beat him first try but it was nice to see his character actually progress and get more difficult and actually seem like a better trainer.
I will admit that Red doesnt have the best movesets, but they werent going to drastically change his team from gen 2 up to gen 4 and his party is more built on lore than on strategy. It was difficult back in GSC because of not only the levels but that team being built of some really hard to deal with pokemon for the days when there were only 251 to pick from. They updated it to give all the starters the "ultimate attacks" that they could get in FRLG (including Pikachu with Volt Tackle) and then gave him the gift pokemon that a player would receive in the gen 1 games in Lapras and Snorlax, kinda giving him the canonical gen 1 Yellow team. I'm not mad that hes not the strongest but I feel like being able to see his team is the most special out of all of them.
I struggled more with the Blueberry League’s E4 more than I did with Kieran.
Those are 4 trainers compared to 1, unless you struggled with individual members
Yea, Drayton was definitely tougher than Kieran
Cynthia was crazy when I first fought her but volo staight up had her team,and two stages of giratina. You have to remember the game didn’t have many trainer battles, so it was even harder for me. I never got to fight red but kieran was easy because I was a few lvls higher.
Kieran suffers so much being dlc I feel like 90% of people had way over leveled Pokémon for this fight because of when it takes place
I think that’s why people say he’s so easy was due to them being overleveled
Here’s my experience
Red is unranked cuz I haven’t fought him.
Kieran is 3rd because my Pokémon were level 100 and built for double battles.
Volo is 2nd. I actually beated him first try but it was a little bit challenging. I feel the battle mechanics of PLA is what really screwed me up however. Strong style and agile style confuse me and there weren’t enough battles to help me understand.
Cynthia is first place because I took so many tries to beat her in BDSP and that’s not including her rematch team.
which one is more difficult? Pokémon Platinum Cynthia? or Pokémon BW Cynthia in Undella Town?
I’d say her plat team is slight more difficult than her BW team but her B2W2 team is slightly more difficult than her plat team
If I were to rank them based on how much I struggled:
4. Red
3. Cynthia
2. Kieran
1. Volo
Steven in Emerald is hard. Unless you have a good Pokemon with Earthquake or Flamethrower/Fire Blast is pretty hard.
I never had trouble with these four
Personally, both the ai professors, and Kieran were super easy. Didn’t even have to try against Kieran
Apparently people found him difficult if you matched his level during the fight
@@SMBZYT yea, maybe I was just over Kieran’s Pokémons level
I don’t think one recharge move on the porygon should lower her. It can act like a pseudo explosion when porygon is ready to be sacked but she needs the KO first. Every mon having one is bad, but one having one when it can do stupid power is fine.
I might just be a Speedster fanboy, but I'd swap Red out for BW Ghetsis. Hydreigon in a limited Dex is insane. I feel like the only hard part of Red's fight is that you have to grind for it
ghetsis wasn't that tough though, he had a decent team but nothing crazy
This video ignores the fact that PLA has a very different battle system with more limited moveset options. Volo’s moveset might not be crazy but yours isn’t either. Also the turn system is reworked so that you pretty much have to get hit by all of his Pokémon.
When the mf doubles up with quick style into strong style. GRRR
Also, what are you talking about 'ignores'
Look at 5:03
Also, u forgot to mention that chompy should've had Iron head instead of Poison jab for both Ice and Fairy coverage
I believe he mentioned that.
Honestly, I think they did that just so you’d have a sure fire way of beating that thing. Her team is already so balls to the wall that I dare say Iron Head would be overkill
I’m surprised to find out people thought Kieran was a hard battle, idk if it was my team that made it easy or what but I thought it woulda been harder. I definitely agree with the other 3 tho
Were you over leveled?
@@SMBZYT honestly don’t remember, I didn’t wanna spoil his team so I didn’t know what the levels were but I’d cap myself out at the level of the last boss I’d fight
For me Kieran is by far the best on his team with the strategic pokemon except hydrapple in addition to this duo fight and even in level he far exceeds Cynthia but it depends if there are people who went there with their team level 100
I had an easy time with Keiran but then again all my Pokémon were level 100 (i think with the exception of Ogreopon) with great stats
Yup, that’ll do it
Red was never a technically difficult fight - he's got a properly diverse theme, but it was always the monstrously sky-high levels compared to anything else you've fought up to that point that makes him strong.
BDSP are very poorly thought of overall in hindsight, but they did one important notable thing: they existed to firmly re-establish Cynthia as _THE_ most terrifyingly powerful Champion in Pokemon history, bar none.
Kieran? Wow lol. I had a much more difficult time with Drayton.
Knowing how amazing Cyntias BDSP Team is makes me even more mad knowing how trash the games where overall
red isn't even difficult in my opinion. if anything, he's more tedious because you have to grind all your Pokémon by having to wait for rematches. especially with how bad the level curve is in HG/SS to be able to level up decently. but once you do reach near his level, he's a walk in the park
thats fair but I love his character and I foudn him decently difficult. I lvoe HGSS a lto as a game tbh its up there as one of the best
What about this boy in gen 5 with more than 2 legends with red hair's, and the gen 4 rival's father, they were as well incredible opponents
The person you’re referring two with red hair only has one legendary and only uses 3 pokemon and I didn’t include the gen 4 rival’s father since he is located within a battle facility, which I didn’t count
@@SMBZYT bro used a team with Kyogre, Zekrom, Latios, pyrax, dragonite and garchomp in game
@@SMBZYT and the father used a regigigas, heatran, and a cresselia in his real team, I think it's good enough 😅
Tbh I solo Cynthia with a alkazam I beat Volo with my shiny lucaruo I raised from brilliant-scarlet-legend arceus
I don't get it what's the lore behind Kieran using a fighting tera type on Hydrapple?
Ultra Necrozma should replace Kieran imo
Honestly I’m not sure how to get the volo fight I’m probably going to have level 100s by the time I found out how after beating the main quest I’ve been playing casual filling in the dex time to time and just doing whatever missions I have in the area I pick the most fun Pokemon game in a long time for me actually makes me want to complete it
Kieran is decently tough, but red is an absolute joke. His team is poorly built. Having all 3 kanto starters does not mean that you’re “strong”. He is only difficult if ur like, 10 - 15 Lvls lower. If ur at the same lvl, he’s a total pushover. His pikachu contributes nothing to the overall fight, the kanto starters while ok each one can be easily countered, lapras is a stupid replacement over his espeon from the original gold and silver games, and snorlax is probably the only actaully challenging mon on his team.
Kieran exists
Volo gave me the most struggle due to my stubbornness not to use legendary pokemon (most of the time) and the distinct battle system and giratina times 2
Cynthia is tough because she’s consistent, but the only times I lose is due to her Milotic or Garchomp surviving off rng after I obliterate the other but it’s weird you can technically just beat her with Gyarados or Garchomp setup against Spiritomb
Red has steep levels but generally speaking, without metagaming, the freeze chance is devastating, any sweeper faster than Pikachu on a roll won’t stop short of crippling the team
Realistically facing Red or Cynthia at the Battle Tree was more of a hassle since their brains were turned on and mega evolution exists but those aren’t really main game
Honestly I had more trouble with all of the other Blueberry Elite 4 members than Kieran. They overwhelmed you with a lot of the same type while Kieran’s team was balanced so each month could be countered by something different. Also Porygon-Z is too slow and Grimsnarl + Incin was redundant. The Politoed + Dragonite lead was pretty tough though.
voice is too low
Where tf is Whitney?
Whitney ain’t hard chief
Where's whitney?
The three move reason is one that people never get why they are designed with.
Its a cheap trick to make the ai smarter.
Less option,its gona do less mistake.
Is it lazy?
Yeah but its gamefreak,they are lazy.
Tbf, having more moves isn’t a bad thing though as it can be utilized as a coverage move and can catch the player off guard if they’re playing blind
@@SMBZYT not saying its bad.
Its honestly better.
What im saying is that the reason behind it is a cheap,lazy and easy trick to make the ai better.
Maybe its because i had an ou team but i bullied the fuck out of kierian 😭
Kieran is easy. Give that spot to someone else imo
Kieran? Hard?
The Kieran battle is NOT hard💀
Bro everyone just forgot that Leon exists
Leon is a Fraud
Pikachu
Cynthia and Volo are not hard battles.
Red is not a hard battle also. Only high level, nothing more.
Volo is the hardest battle here
Replace Kieran with one of the ai profs
A team with ACTUAL strategies would naturally be better than a team consisting of entirely Paradox Pokemon with no synergy with each other
Kieran wasn't hard
maybe not for guys like you and I but apparently a lot of people struggled with him
Bruh my froslass snowscape aurora veil clobbered kieran😭 he was easy
Kieran was easy bro
Anything from 9th gen can’t be in this list
except vor kieran and the blueberry E4