@Joseph_Drew_III Oh, so this is what we call harassment? You put your dawg ass opinion out into free space, now suffer the consequences for being called out for having dawg ass opinion.
Fun fact: Mega Sableye initally used its Magic Bounce ability to reflect the decision to ban it, resulting in the entire Smogon Council to become banned instead. It could only be brought to justice through a convoluted plan involving Mold Breaker and Worry Seed.
Iron Bundle is clearly super fast for one reason. Its Santa, but Santa who can visit every house on the planet in 1 night, as opposed to the Mall Santa that normal Delibird is.
Hello Mr. Jimothy cool, it’s me, number one Exploud fan. I fully believe that the hit Pokémon, “Exploud” should be on the horse council, my reasoning is as such. He’s so loud, that his voice must be very hoarse. Thank you for reading my presentation, and I hope you will consider sending this to the horse counsel. -exploudeFan2014
It's so funny that all of these pokemon got banned because of a combination of traits that made them broken except iron bundle who just has insanely stupid stats
@blackdot105 I just found one: Jynx with Dry Skin! Good luck with fire. And she probably gets OHKOed anyway tbh. Also I guess a Water Absorber with tera ice-resist (probably steel). Too bad every Water Absorber is naturally weak to Freeze Dry.
@@baronobeefdip8075 @blackdot105 That's not quite true; every Storm Drainer is naturally weak to Freeze-Dry, but Lapras and Volcanion (and Arctovish in NatDex) are Water Absorbers that are neutral to Freeze-Dry. Also Toxicroak (and Heliolisk in NatDex) get Dry Skin and are neutral to Freeze-Dry, plus have the advantage of having super-effective STAB that they can retaliate with.
Gen 9 had so many broken mons on launch that Espathra FELL TO UU because everyone was so occupied with the rest of the overpowered stuff to notice they made a Speed Boost Stored Power user. Insane
gen 9's power creep annoys me, but I like iron bundle specifically because it's overpowered. it really is just the funniest decision to make robot delibird into a nuclear terror.
Dracovish was quite interesting because it only got the 130 base power stab move if it moved first. So people thought to put a choice scarf on it so it would outspeed threats and hit them hard, but then walls like ferrothorn and toxapex could tank a few hits from it. So then people thought if you're going to outspeed these walls anyway you might as well put a choice band on to make sure you blow away these walls. So then it became a mindgame, do you stay in to half the move's power and get owned by choice scarf, or do you switch to your wall and get owned if it's choice band. And then came dracovish rain.
correct, but I feel obligated to point out that the boosted fishious rend is 170 base power before stab/etc
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170* instead of 130. That's a huge difference. Btw it is notable that he also has access to sand rush, so in sand he basically outspeeds everything in ou besides excadrill. Even without strong jaw he still ohko anything that didn't resist, even bulky pokemon.
A thing about Darmatitan galar, is that it was played with Icle crash, earthquake, flare blitz, u-turn. And this combo of move is supereffective against most defensive pokémons in the game. It's super effective against most dragons, against, toxapex, against ferrothorn. It wasn't even a question of trying to find a resist, just finding a pokemon which wasn't weak was already complicated. And on top of that, it could just ignore the 50/50 and u-turn, or it could just dynamax and switch moves. Ah and since darmanitan was so stupidly strong, it means its other form had a niche : because any player seeing darmanitan switching in would try to win the 50/50 by switching, you could place a sub, belly drum, and sweep.
17:13 I think what pushed rage fist over the edge was that it didnt reset on switch. It'd be as if stat boost were kept when you switched out. You didnt have to work yourself into the perfect position to tank some hits then sweep. You could just work in a few switch ins on resisted hits and you'd have a zero back 150+ BP move easy.
@@y0mir up until the point you have to switch out and sack another team member. That doesn't balance anything at all. If anything I'm glad you don't work for Game Freak.
@@Vassilinia no way homie really said "the 100 power physical ghost-type move on a single correct switch would be useless in singles" Absolute brainrot. This is what too much powercreep does to the untrained mind. This is a real epidemic, folks.
The second I saw Galarian Darmanitan when my wife and I bought these games, I 100% knew that I was going to use it in my playthroughs, and that it was 100% going to get banned in competitive.
If I had a nickel for every time a bird Pokémon that got the ability Speed Boost needed to be banned to Ubers, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it's happened twice.
weirdly, Iron Bundle being considered the most powerful Pokémon helps confirm what AI Turo was so worried about. These Paradox Pokémon could have easily dominated and left Paldea a smoking crater.
And on the past paradox side, Flutter Mane got banned as well. Similar stat spread to Iron Bundle but with SpD instead of Def, and really good coverage.
I haven't kept up with competitive pokemon since gen 7 and I was never really into it in the first place, but seeing espathra with speed boost, calm mind, protect, and stored power geniunely struck fear in me
To be fair, protect is far less common in Single than VGC where not having at least a mon with Protect on your team would get you side-eyes by everyone you came across.
Iron Bundle makes sense being that fast. It needs to deliver presents to all the children in the world in a single night. In a design perspective though, I don't mind the Paradox Pokemon or the Ultra Beasts being considered "legendary-lite". If one of them hits Uber, it's not so bad. They're meant to be abnormal. Still, some of the design choices they make only seem to make sense if they only care about game balance from a VGC perspective. Last Respects has no business being in a 6v6 Single Battle format. And it causes perfectly ordinary looking Pokemon to be banned. It's much more manageable in a VGC format.
That's because they *do* only care about game balance for their weird Official/Personal format, and even then, only sometimes. Most of the time, they seem to just Make Things without anyone giving much thought to what impact it'll have on any format. Also, Iron Bundle's speed is not the problem or the thing requiring justification - past a certain point, higher and higher speed doesn't actually do anything anyway, and there are a ton of fast, strong, *fragile* pokemon. Fast, Strong, and Bulky? You might as well just give it an ability to KOs an enemy on switch-in.
13:41 the funniest part was that in the time just before the ban dracovish fell off in usage because people realized that if a team had seismitoad, which pretty much every team did at that point to not auto lose to fish, dracovish just wasn’t very good. you were basically required to run an otherwise bad pokemon to not automatically lose to a mon that wasn’t even on most teams anymore
Seismitoad was not a consistent answer to Dracovish. Seismitoad alone was useless as it got 2hko'd by banded Outrage, so it was forced to be used alongside a fairy (usually Clefable). But even this wasn't consistent since it was a coin flip between Outrage and Rend. You can't even make use of the fact Outrage locks Dracovish in unless you let it kill something, that "something" often being the supposed hard counter you brought in the place.
@@ttarion a fun thing I pulled off a couple times in different tiers was trapping a choiced mon locked into outrage with a fairy type. Let it get a KO, then mean look with gardevoir or infestation with ribombee on the locked-in outrage turn, then calm mind/quiver dance up to max. Obviously very gimmicky and a waste of a mon/slot in other situations, but it might've been reasonable back then lol.
@@SpicyMapping People realized at the time that Seismitoad was also garbage even in a metagame with less mons (on top of being not that great into Dracovishs Dragon STAB) and solely prominent because Dracovish otherwise destroys everything but a specific combo of items and moves on Toxapex + Ferrothorn together and Dracovish was actually still placed in A Ranks because of this before the way too late ban. A similar dynamic would happen if people ever were crazy enough to unban Kyogre (hi Ludicolo, Gastrodon, more omnipresent Ferrothorn).
another reason on why cloyster was ban was the relatively, recent discovery of gem's interaction with multi-hit moves, it used to believe that only one hit would receive the 1.5× boost from a gem, however it was discovered that gem boost every single hit, which with skill link makes it borderline impossible to withstand, even with decent defensive walls, making it and extra busted mon
we're all glad that we don't have to play against dracovish, but we're also glad he graced us with his presence. he's just a funny guy and we love that
GameFreak’s idea of balancing is making a few Ice types with busted stats that would get literally anything banned. Like Darm-G having an effective attack stat of 235. Then ignore all the other Ice types with regular stats but are terrible because they’re part Ice.
because offensive ice types are good and defensive ones are ass. Weavile, Chienpao, Darmanitan, Kyerum, Iron bundle, etc. All the defensive ones like Glaceon, Avalugg, Vanilluxe, etc are bad because they have no way to defend themselves against mons that are super effective against them nor do they have enough coverage
11:15 also another thing that made mega sableye broken was in doubles, it can mega evolve, use prankster psych up on your belly drummed snorlax before your gluttony snorlax explodes using the kustap berry. A really broken strat in that era.
@@thehero67 Because base 85 attack is plenty to be dangerous when you're maxed out at +6 and Magic Bounce is preventing you from just being roared out. It's still slow, but Mega Sableye is certainly bulky enough to just tank a hit then KO something.
It had more to do with the optimizations that people have made with Cloyster, such as mixed sets breaking physically defensive responses and Lum Berry to deny status. Even resist berries have popped up to get a surprise KO, such as Chople Berry denying a Breloom Mach Punch/Scarf Keldeo revenge kill and retaliate back.
Cloyster was considered a meme and a low ladder terror back in the day because we were all tunnel visioned on flinch fishing with King's Rock, and generally as a playerbase we were all a lot worse at the game than we are now. And since it was considered to be a low ladder meme the good players of the time didn't explore it the way they probably should have before the gens changed so it took a very very long time for people to actually realize that even uninvested a +2 special attack can blow through mons that were previously believed to beat Cloyster.
Loved Seismitoad getting his moment in the Dracovish meta. It was also one of very few mons to get toxic+rocks in that meta, pour one out for the versatile and useful agent toad please
Cloyster was so fun in AG when it was first created. If you ran a Cloyster in front you were almost guaranteed a DC half the time, since everyone had a Mega Ray in front lol. Running Focus Sash, Mega Ray could never win against Cloyster. Icicle Spear OHKOs it every time without even needing a Shell Smash. Dragons hated it, anything weak to ice hated it, hell anything weak to ROCK hated it too because of Rock Blast
Dracovish is one of those Pokemon with the honor of being just as broken in the official VGC format as it was in singles, arguably it was even better there in some circumstances since usually at least one of your opponent's Pokemon is going to be slower than it. G-Darmanitan was also strong in VGC but the doubles format made it easier to take down in many cases.
"Just as broken" is quite a stretch. Between dynamax working against it by making targets bulkier and their attacks harder to take, sun and Intimidate weakening it, Protect potentially making it waste a turn, speed control being able to mess it up, and at times Gastrodon blanking Fishious Rend, Dracovish was strong in VGC but it wasn't completely breaking the game as far as I remember. Maybe it was dominant early into the gen, sure, but compared to OU, it was definitely more manageable without having to bend over backwards to counter it specifically. I think it's much like G-Darm as you mentioned in that Doubles is better prepared to handle a mon like it, though Vish was able to perform better than Darm.
So you saw a wolfey video where he used dracovish Dracovish was NOT broken in vgc, in early vgc sure it was good (A tier), but with isle of armor came a water type that would invalidate A L L other water type physical attackers And crown tundra added way to much mons good vs Draco like regieleki tapu fini kartana etc. Ultimately it ended up being C tier (and that’s being generous)
Nice video, Shaymin-Sky, Zygarde-Complete, Mega-Salamence + Mega-Gengar deserved a special mention tho even if their stint was as short as Mega-Kangaskhans, imo those were the 5 most broken mons ever allowed in OU alongside Flutter Mane and Marshadow.
I used to run Poison Fang when I could because it was a really easy (but rather inconsistent 50% of the time) way to put a timer on Sableye. 50% chance to toxic. There's about a 50% chance everytime you click it Mega Sableye ends up with its knee broken. Just wish it wasn't resisted
Not be that guy but at 8:14 I think I saw some fake gameplay… the stealth rocks play is there to make you think it’s real but I saw through it. Keldeo will be reported to the horse council for his crimes
I don't like shell smash because it makes no sense. How does removing cloysters shell make the gooey middle bit have more attack than groudon? And what does it look like if cloyster uses shell smash twice?
You can say that about a lot of status moves to be fair. Poliwag is just a little dude but when he drums his belly, he ends up with double the power of groudon
This is an awesome video, and one you should definitely make a more extensive sequel to. For example, how about Shaymin Sky in gen 5, the first unanimous ban ever because it was literally that unbearable. Or, even better, do a video on the opposite; pokemon most deserving of a ban that didn't get it. Personally, Dragonite in gen 7 1v1 will always hold that title for me. It was clearly overpowered with WAY too many sets that beat it's already shaky checks, but the number 2 pokemon in the tier, Mega Gyarados, was the best answer to it by far and also amazing in it's own right. There was this tug and pull between the three best pokemon, mega gyarados, Dragonite, and mega charizard x where they could all beat each other depending on the set, but no set beat every other one.
At 15:51 I experienced whiplash. I checked the calc, but... what happened? In the video Slowking evaporates, but: 252+ Atk Choice Band Gorilla Tactics Darmanitan-Galar Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Slowking: 217-256 (65.5 - 77.3%) -- guaranteed to not OHKO without a critical hit
I'm not a poke math master, but did you remember STAB? It's the only thing I didn't see mentioned, so I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. Past that I dunno, is it possible to turn off buff indicators on showdown? I don't know why you would...
@@RolandTheJabberwocky damage calculators factor in STAB inherently, unless you manually change the type it will automatically account for the extra damage
I will never forget a certain match during the Darmanitan-G metagame. I was thinking everyone is running them with scarf/band, switched out on an enemy Darm one time just to see the opposing darm to substitute. followed by my soul leaving my body after my opponent used belly drum (I got 6-0d)
I still remember the first times I got Mega Khangaskhan and Sableye and immediately saying "Oh, this is banned as hell." Sucks too because I love Sableye, but using him in fights even with my friends just felt like bullying, lol. I'm glad it wasn't as nuts in 7.
Hot take: But Base Blaziken should have got Quick Feet instead of Speed boost as an Hidden Ability It would make more sense and Balanced wise and the Mega could still have Speed boost if you want. Quick feet isnt an common ability that is use or seen but like the fact that it blocks Paralyzis and uses status to your advantage like the ability Guts.
Quick Feet only blocks from paralysis's speed drop, but you can still get screwed over by full paralysis. It's not a good ability in terms of combating paralysis
For vgc this had little effect though since mega kang didn't use the move in vgc in the first place. The nerf to parental bond's second hit was what nerfed it in vgc, but that didn't help in smogon formats where Seismic Toss was legal.
@@Electric999999It is a strategy of catching a pokemon with slowbro, constantly healing it and recovering pp with berries and recovering them. If he does everything right, the only way to stop him is to give up.
@@Electric999999Slowbro with Heal Pulse, Slack Off, Block and Recycle with a Leppa Berry to continuously heal both itself and the opponent while disabling switching and recovering its PP to force an endless battle that could only be stopped by a forfeit. It was absolutely gross.
Oh yeah, I remember Mega Gengar. Being Dugtrio on steroids would've gotten it banned sooner or later, but then people realized it was a one-man perish trap team. For bonus points it also had Taunt and Destiny Bond, allowing it to force a K.O on a whole nother swath of Pokemon.
honestly without tera and with ogerpon, clodsire, dondozo, kyureum mola in the tier and how fast the meta is now i think dracovish wouldnt even be broken at all. without band + rain it can touch dozo or mola but without scarf its way too slow and even with scarf thing like pult naturally out speed it plus valiant can easily revenge it
Kyurem gets still demolished by Fishious Rend in Rain + Dragon STAB, Dondozo even without Rain gets super easily forced to Rest and is a passive piece of garbage you pretty much only see on fat stall tese days, Ogerpon-Wellspring resists its second STAB worse than Seismitoad and don't get me started with Tera Water and Terablast bs, it would just be a repeat of Palafin retest.
Early Gen VIII Seismitoad was also one of the few pre home Pokemon that had access to stealth rocks and it was immune to Dracozolt who was electric Dracovish. It was funny seeing such an underwhelming Pokemon be OU because it was a hard counter to two of the most broken moves to exist.
I wish you covered one of the funniest bans in Gen 9 which was Houndstone, a pure ghost type pokemon with relatively mediocre stats. The only reason it was banned at all is because it (as is somewhat common now) has one extremely overpowered move in last respects. A ghost type physical move similar to rage fist in that it starts at 50 power and stacks up 50 extra power every time its condition is met. Only except instead of needing to be hit to raise its power, an ally on the team simply needs to faint, up to a max stack of 300 base power.. This leads to no direct risk for Houndstone while still gaining a benefit, which of course leads to people running Houndstone last slot with a choice scarf for a needed speed boost and Tera ghost for an even stronger STAB bonus. With a base power of 600 after Tera Ghost, it honestly puts Dracovish’s measly 382.5 base power Fishous Rend to shame. Of course with the release of Basculegion, a much better user of Last Respects with Swift Swim for a speed boost without choice scarf or Adaptability for greater STAB damage without using your Tera, Houndstone mostly lost his purpose and only unique move in Ubers. Smogon finally decided to change the ban from Houndstone himself, to the move Last Respects. Which I find to be more than fair to both Houndstone and Basculegion, who are ultimately fairly mediocre without Last Respects.
Gen 9's single metagame is nuts. Darkrai, Zamazenta (hero form, not crowned form), and Deoxys-Speed are all allowed to participate in OU. The first two have some points of contention, but haven't been brought to ban, and Deoxys-Speed even dipped into UU for a bit.
darkrai and deo-s really feel like ordinary mons that gamefreak made for gen 8/9, until you remember that theyve been around for quite a while lol. I'm glad they dropped, they provide good options without being broken like they would be in the past, and for darkrai especially getting sleep clause axed was a huge win
Fishious Rend is called Gill bite in Japanese, (Basically Fish bite.) Thats why it gets powered up from the Strong Jaw ability. Remember ability and move interactions go off of the Japanese names since the game is from Japan. This why certain moves might see weird to us but make sense in Japanese.
Thank you Mr. Fish for being one of the funniest OP Pokemon. At least for someone who had zero involvement in competitive and therefore didn't have to worry about it beyond laughing at how silly broken it was.
I still remember arguing with someone on showdown because I was using Garganacl and they were using Espathra and Shed Tail. They were complaining that I was using an OP mon and it would get banned soon and what they were using was fine.
One thing easily forgotten about G-Darm is Dynamax. Since Dynamax disables choicelocks it also disables Gorilla Tactics which meant that G-Darm was even more of an Absolute Menace for the short time Dynamax was legal as it could opt to change its move at any time. Another big frustration I found with G-Darm is its bulk. 105/55/55 on an Ice type may not seem *too* good but it was actually enough to survive priority moves. I thought I'd found a cool counter in Conkeldurr's Mach Punch but even at 252+ Atk Iron Fist you only deal 99% on a max roll so you'd need to fully commit and run Life Orb or Choice Band (or wait for hazard chip) to kill G-Darm. 140 Atk STAB SE priority couldn't delete this thing. The thing I remember most about Iron Bundle is Finchinator asking people to name a single reliable switch-in to Specs Bundle that wasn't "Blissey or Hydro Pump's animation going to the left". The only answer I remember being pitched was full SpDef Tera Ice Water Absorb Vaporeon. Amazing.
Dynamax was bad on Galarian-Darmanitan see BSS and VGC cartridge formats, it could barely abuse it with its shit bulk and not so great Dynamax and Choice Band boost was also disabled for 3 turns if it held that item to become a even more ridiculous wallbreaker. Dynamax had nothing to do with Galarian-Darmanitan ban from Gen 8 OU and if anything was the one thing that held it somewhat back.
@@LeticiaGrey19 It was still a frustrating element to playing around GDarm since you could never wholly rely on it being Choicelocked. And BSS and VGC are completely irrelevant to Smogon singles, why bring them up.
Base calyrex is probably restricted just because the broken horse rider versions are considered the same pokemon so its easier to just set calyrex as restricted than try to set an exception for base form
Shedinja cannot cry, for he has no tear ducts. But he wouldn't cry if he could, because he benefits from everyone forgetting about him until he shows up.
@@olafmikoaj3121 iirc Palafin's issue in VGC is mostly that if you want a strong physically offensive Water type then you have literally no reason not to run Urshifu instead. I guess it might suffer against Dozo too? I'm not familiar enough.
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@Joseph_Drew_III Oh, so this is what we call harassment? You put your dawg ass opinion out into free space, now suffer the consequences for being called out for having dawg ass opinion.
Fun fact: Mega Sableye initally used its Magic Bounce ability to reflect the decision to ban it, resulting in the entire Smogon Council to become banned instead. It could only be brought to justice through a convoluted plan involving Mold Breaker and Worry Seed.
Pls tell me Haxorus helped for the cause
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I'm afraid haxorus doesn't get Worry Seed as a move in any gen 😔@@luno-l9k
now i see why excadrill was the king of gen 6 ou. he used his powers for the greater good.
These pokemon ask the very important philosophical question: “what if a pokemon was really fast and had a lot of attack?”
oh and amazing coverage too
And an incredible type combination too
Too bad we don’t ask “what if it’s super frail?” In singles
Except for dracovish my goat, 90 base attack and 75 speed
@@HuneeBruh hear me out
Water Bubble
120 Speed
110 Attack Dracovish
It wasn't Gorilla tactics that got him but Blunder getting 6-0d by a G-Darm will forever be in the history books
"Wait what, I got Sand Rush tho"
"Wait, hail's up, oh.."
Wait did that actually happen
@@HuneeBruh Search up "blunder darmanitan"
@@MintyTea_N IT WAS ZEN MODE TOO LMAO thats actually hilarious
@@MintyTea_N potential fraud
Iron Bundle is clearly super fast for one reason. Its Santa, but Santa who can visit every house on the planet in 1 night, as opposed to the Mall Santa that normal Delibird is.
Exactly what I was thinking!
I just thought it was fast because it has skis for feet
flip turn to get back up the chimney
He's the Santa from DC Comics.
'One of the worst things about Christmas has to be the mall Santa's'
Hello Mr. Jimothy cool, it’s me, number one Exploud fan. I fully believe that the hit Pokémon, “Exploud” should be on the horse council, my reasoning is as such. He’s so loud, that his voice must be very hoarse. Thank you for reading my presentation, and I hope you will consider sending this to the horse counsel. -exploudeFan2014
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the two responses before me gave me physical damage
For years, people said "If only there was a fast, offensive ice type, the type would be amazing!" and GameFreak went "Alright lol."
Weavile: what about me? :(
It's so funny that all of these pokemon got banned because of a combination of traits that made them broken except iron bundle who just has insanely stupid stats
Bundle still has its broken combination too, namely how STAB Water + STAB Freeze-Dry is almost unresisted by anything.
@@breloommaster12 Apart from Thick Fat Water/Ice types, what actually resists STAB Water + STAB Freeze-Dry?
@@blackdot105 at first i was about to say seismitoad then i remember freeze dry
@blackdot105 I just found one: Jynx with Dry Skin! Good luck with fire. And she probably gets OHKOed anyway tbh.
Also I guess a Water Absorber with tera ice-resist (probably steel). Too bad every Water Absorber is naturally weak to Freeze Dry.
@@baronobeefdip8075 @blackdot105 That's not quite true; every Storm Drainer is naturally weak to Freeze-Dry, but Lapras and Volcanion (and Arctovish in NatDex) are Water Absorbers that are neutral to Freeze-Dry. Also Toxicroak (and Heliolisk in NatDex) get Dry Skin and are neutral to Freeze-Dry, plus have the advantage of having super-effective STAB that they can retaliate with.
Gen 9 had so many broken mons on launch that Espathra FELL TO UU because everyone was so occupied with the rest of the overpowered stuff to notice they made a Speed Boost Stored Power user. Insane
Pretty sure Roaring Moon also had a brief stint in UU, before a lot of the more overpowered mons got banned
Annihilape was also initially slept on for a couple weeks.
I was busy clicking freeze dry with iron bundle
Scizor rising up back when Chien pao got unbanned lol
@@yosh9192Roaring Moon also had no Knock Off back then, which is big since its by far its most useful move alongside Dragon Dance.
Smogon: Ay bro can we get some hyper offense?
Gamefreak: Only a spoonful
Smogon: *Pulls out comically overpowered monkey*
TWO comically overpowered monkeys.
OooOoh Banana
Mmm monke
@@cornesalvo9366 what’s the other one? What other comically overpowered Ape-like pokemon that exist besides Galarian Darmanitan?
gen 9's power creep annoys me, but I like iron bundle specifically because it's overpowered. it really is just the funniest decision to make robot delibird into a nuclear terror.
Dracovish was quite interesting because it only got the 130 base power stab move if it moved first. So people thought to put a choice scarf on it so it would outspeed threats and hit them hard, but then walls like ferrothorn and toxapex could tank a few hits from it. So then people thought if you're going to outspeed these walls anyway you might as well put a choice band on to make sure you blow away these walls. So then it became a mindgame, do you stay in to half the move's power and get owned by choice scarf, or do you switch to your wall and get owned if it's choice band. And then came dracovish rain.
correct, but I feel obligated to point out that the boosted fishious rend is 170 base power before stab/etc
170* instead of 130. That's a huge difference. Btw it is notable that he also has access to sand rush, so in sand he basically outspeeds everything in ou besides excadrill. Even without strong jaw he still ohko anything that didn't resist, even bulky pokemon.
A thing about Darmatitan galar, is that it was played with Icle crash, earthquake, flare blitz, u-turn. And this combo of move is supereffective against most defensive pokémons in the game. It's super effective against most dragons, against, toxapex, against ferrothorn. It wasn't even a question of trying to find a resist, just finding a pokemon which wasn't weak was already complicated. And on top of that, it could just ignore the 50/50 and u-turn, or it could just dynamax and switch moves. Ah and since darmanitan was so stupidly strong, it means its other form had a niche : because any player seeing darmanitan switching in would try to win the 50/50 by switching, you could place a sub, belly drum, and sweep.
Banning Magcargo from the horse competition because he was too horse-like is way more deserved than any of those...
Genuine question: but why is magcargo part of the horse concil?
He learns high horsepower so he is clearly a horse.
I'm surprised you have to ask, just look at him. He's clearly a horse.
FREE MY GUY MUK, JUSTICE FOR MUK. He deserved a shot in the horse tournament.
muk and magcargo are both made of mysterious goop, and magcargo is irrefutably a horse. muk is a horse and deserves high horsepower
This Fake Gameplay fellow is pretty strong.
17:13 I think what pushed rage fist over the edge was that it didnt reset on switch. It'd be as if stat boost were kept when you switched out.
You didnt have to work yourself into the perfect position to tank some hits then sweep. You could just work in a few switch ins on resisted hits and you'd have a zero back 150+ BP move easy.
It'd be pretty useless if it reset on switch. For singles, anyway.
@@Vassilinia Switch into an attack, get a 100 power ghost move. Seems balanced to me.
@@Vassilinia Me when I get a free sweep because the opponent used any multi hit move ever and the monkey didn't die:
@@y0mir up until the point you have to switch out and sack another team member. That doesn't balance anything at all. If anything I'm glad you don't work for Game Freak.
@@Vassilinia no way homie really said "the 100 power physical ghost-type move on a single correct switch would be useless in singles"
Absolute brainrot. This is what too much powercreep does to the untrained mind. This is a real epidemic, folks.
Nightmare fuel: mega Sharpedo with fiscious rend
"1 button gameplay monkey" is a pokemon archetype now and it´s delivered some terrifying results so far.
The second I saw Galarian Darmanitan when my wife and I bought these games, I 100% knew that I was going to use it in my playthroughs, and that it was 100% going to get banned in competitive.
If I had a nickel for every time a bird Pokémon that got the ability Speed Boost needed to be banned to Ubers, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it's happened twice.
weirdly, Iron Bundle being considered the most powerful Pokémon helps confirm what AI Turo was so worried about. These Paradox Pokémon could have easily dominated and left Paldea a smoking crater.
And on the past paradox side, Flutter Mane got banned as well. Similar stat spread to Iron Bundle but with SpD instead of Def, and really good coverage.
I haven't kept up with competitive pokemon since gen 7 and I was never really into it in the first place, but seeing espathra with speed boost, calm mind, protect, and stored power geniunely struck fear in me
I like how to mention protect as if it’s surprising that a mon has protect
To be fair, protect is far less common in Single than VGC where not having at least a mon with Protect on your team would get you side-eyes by everyone you came across.
Keep in mind there was so many more OP pokemon, that it was so overslept it ended up in UU...
Iron Bundle makes sense being that fast. It needs to deliver presents to all the children in the world in a single night. In a design perspective though, I don't mind the Paradox Pokemon or the Ultra Beasts being considered "legendary-lite". If one of them hits Uber, it's not so bad. They're meant to be abnormal.
Still, some of the design choices they make only seem to make sense if they only care about game balance from a VGC perspective. Last Respects has no business being in a 6v6 Single Battle format. And it causes perfectly ordinary looking Pokemon to be banned. It's much more manageable in a VGC format.
That's because they *do* only care about game balance for their weird Official/Personal format, and even then, only sometimes. Most of the time, they seem to just Make Things without anyone giving much thought to what impact it'll have on any format.
Also, Iron Bundle's speed is not the problem or the thing requiring justification - past a certain point, higher and higher speed doesn't actually do anything anyway, and there are a ton of fast, strong, *fragile* pokemon. Fast, Strong, and Bulky? You might as well just give it an ability to KOs an enemy on switch-in.
Muk being banned on the horse-only tournament was not deserved.
13:41 the funniest part was that in the time just before the ban dracovish fell off in usage because people realized that if a team had seismitoad, which pretty much every team did at that point to not auto lose to fish, dracovish just wasn’t very good. you were basically required to run an otherwise bad pokemon to not automatically lose to a mon that wasn’t even on most teams anymore
Seismitoad was not a consistent answer to Dracovish. Seismitoad alone was useless as it got 2hko'd by banded Outrage, so it was forced to be used alongside a fairy (usually Clefable). But even this wasn't consistent since it was a coin flip between Outrage and Rend. You can't even make use of the fact Outrage locks Dracovish in unless you let it kill something, that "something" often being the supposed hard counter you brought in the place.
@@ttarion a fun thing I pulled off a couple times in different tiers was trapping a choiced mon locked into outrage with a fairy type. Let it get a KO, then mean look with gardevoir or infestation with ribombee on the locked-in outrage turn, then calm mind/quiver dance up to max. Obviously very gimmicky and a waste of a mon/slot in other situations, but it might've been reasonable back then lol.
@@SpicyMapping People realized at the time that Seismitoad was also garbage even in a metagame with less mons (on top of being not that great into Dracovishs Dragon STAB) and solely prominent because Dracovish otherwise destroys everything but a specific combo of items and moves on Toxapex + Ferrothorn together and Dracovish was actually still placed in A Ranks because of this before the way too late ban. A similar dynamic would happen if people ever were crazy enough to unban Kyogre (hi Ludicolo, Gastrodon, more omnipresent Ferrothorn).
galarian darmanitan truly embodied the popular saying, "gorilla see, gorilla do."
please ban yamper.... he killed my wife
Should've terra ground
Dracovish in my opinion is a funny pokemon made to amuse people that a silly fish dinosaur could one shot basically anything
another reason on why cloyster was ban was the relatively, recent discovery of gem's interaction with multi-hit moves, it used to believe that only one hit would receive the 1.5× boost from a gem, however it was discovered that gem boost every single hit, which with skill link makes it borderline impossible to withstand, even with decent defensive walls, making it and extra busted mon
Nothing will beat the days of going to a DS night at a library and battling everyone there
Iron Bundle was basically Robot Santa from Futurama
I like that a couple of these have you so mad it sounds like youre reading them the first time
we're all glad that we don't have to play against dracovish, but we're also glad he graced us with his presence. he's just a funny guy and we love that
surely kyurem is here
The voter fraud in question:
Funny how most of these are ice types
An equal number are Water type.
Actually, two of them are Water/Ice.
Hmmm....
GameFreak’s idea of balancing is making a few Ice types with busted stats that would get literally anything banned. Like Darm-G having an effective attack stat of 235. Then ignore all the other Ice types with regular stats but are terrible because they’re part Ice.
because offensive ice types are good and defensive ones are ass. Weavile, Chienpao, Darmanitan, Kyerum, Iron bundle, etc. All the defensive ones like Glaceon, Avalugg, Vanilluxe, etc are bad because they have no way to defend themselves against mons that are super effective against them nor do they have enough coverage
Yes that is pretty obvious
Did you need to manually move the cop hat every couple frames for Muk's animation
I did LOL.
He refuses to stay still. Justice must be served.
11:15 also another thing that made mega sableye broken was in doubles, it can mega evolve, use prankster psych up on your belly drummed snorlax before your gluttony snorlax explodes using the kustap berry. A really broken strat in that era.
I don't get this strategy why would you want attack bonus on sableye
@@thehero67 Because base 85 attack is plenty to be dangerous when you're maxed out at +6 and Magic Bounce is preventing you from just being roared out. It's still slow, but Mega Sableye is certainly bulky enough to just tank a hit then KO something.
@@Electric999999 it also gets sucker punch
This sounds gimmicky at best and not really effective at high level play, and definitely not broken.
you’d be surprised, lead Snorlax with a follow me user so you can get the belly drum off, and then can easily snowball from there.
did it really take us that long to learn that skill link shell smash is a useful thing?
It had more to do with the optimizations that people have made with Cloyster, such as mixed sets breaking physically defensive responses and Lum Berry to deny status. Even resist berries have popped up to get a surprise KO, such as Chople Berry denying a Breloom Mach Punch/Scarf Keldeo revenge kill and retaliate back.
I played a lot of ou back in gen 5, I can confirm what @breloommaster12 said
Cloyster was considered a meme and a low ladder terror back in the day because we were all tunnel visioned on flinch fishing with King's Rock, and generally as a playerbase we were all a lot worse at the game than we are now. And since it was considered to be a low ladder meme the good players of the time didn't explore it the way they probably should have before the gens changed so it took a very very long time for people to actually realize that even uninvested a +2 special attack can blow through mons that were previously believed to beat Cloyster.
@@StarfieldDisarrayno back in the day the mistake was people running the canceler because "muh defense drop"
@@screwtokaiba Oh yeah I forgot about the herb
Loved Seismitoad getting his moment in the Dracovish meta. It was also one of very few mons to get toxic+rocks in that meta, pour one out for the versatile and useful agent toad please
Dracovish is definitely why I started using Seismitoad in gen 8.
Seismitoad really impressed me, however!
The subtle “Waltzing Matilda” during the emu segment was a touch of genius.
Would love a video on the history of the clauses we have on Showdown!
Cloyster was so fun in AG when it was first created. If you ran a Cloyster in front you were almost guaranteed a DC half the time, since everyone had a Mega Ray in front lol. Running Focus Sash, Mega Ray could never win against Cloyster. Icicle Spear OHKOs it every time without even needing a Shell Smash. Dragons hated it, anything weak to ice hated it, hell anything weak to ROCK hated it too because of Rock Blast
Uhm why has nobody mentioned Muk-Horse Forme's ban from the Horse Used tier yet?
Just found this channel and gotta say, it sounds like a young professor Snape is teaching me about pokemon bans.
Made the video very enjoyable
Dracovish is one of those Pokemon with the honor of being just as broken in the official VGC format as it was in singles, arguably it was even better there in some circumstances since usually at least one of your opponent's Pokemon is going to be slower than it.
G-Darmanitan was also strong in VGC but the doubles format made it easier to take down in many cases.
"Just as broken" is quite a stretch. Between dynamax working against it by making targets bulkier and their attacks harder to take, sun and Intimidate weakening it, Protect potentially making it waste a turn, speed control being able to mess it up, and at times Gastrodon blanking Fishious Rend, Dracovish was strong in VGC but it wasn't completely breaking the game as far as I remember. Maybe it was dominant early into the gen, sure, but compared to OU, it was definitely more manageable without having to bend over backwards to counter it specifically. I think it's much like G-Darm as you mentioned in that Doubles is better prepared to handle a mon like it, though Vish was able to perform better than Darm.
So you saw a wolfey video where he used dracovish
Dracovish was NOT broken in vgc, in early vgc sure it was good (A tier), but with isle of armor came a water type that would invalidate A L L other water type physical attackers
And crown tundra added way to much mons good vs Draco like regieleki tapu fini kartana etc.
Ultimately it ended up being C tier (and that’s being generous)
IRON bundle has high defense because it's not made of flesh like normal delibird
Who else remembers when kings rock and SS cloyster was legal?
Nice video, Shaymin-Sky, Zygarde-Complete, Mega-Salamence + Mega-Gengar deserved a special mention tho even if their stint was as short as Mega-Kangaskhans, imo those were the 5 most broken mons ever allowed in OU alongside Flutter Mane and Marshadow.
I used to run Poison Fang when I could because it was a really easy (but rather inconsistent 50% of the time) way to put a timer on Sableye. 50% chance to toxic. There's about a 50% chance everytime you click it Mega Sableye ends up with its knee broken. Just wish it wasn't resisted
it's crazy Blaziken went from good in Ubers in gen 7 to UUBL today. Maybe they should try Reshiram in OU :3
1:55 that finally convinced me
You can't ban Yamper. Who'd fetch all the balls?!
Not be that guy but at 8:14 I think I saw some fake gameplay… the stealth rocks play is there to make you think it’s real but I saw through it. Keldeo will be reported to the horse council for his crimes
I don't like shell smash because it makes no sense. How does removing cloysters shell make the gooey middle bit have more attack than groudon? And what does it look like if cloyster uses shell smash twice?
A very sharp blob
You can say that about a lot of status moves to be fair. Poliwag is just a little dude but when he drums his belly, he ends up with double the power of groudon
@@Greatbabyred Most of them are just using some exercising regiment or something
Maybe it uses the many sharp shredded shell pieces
This is an awesome video, and one you should definitely make a more extensive sequel to. For example, how about Shaymin Sky in gen 5, the first unanimous ban ever because it was literally that unbearable. Or, even better, do a video on the opposite; pokemon most deserving of a ban that didn't get it. Personally, Dragonite in gen 7 1v1 will always hold that title for me. It was clearly overpowered with WAY too many sets that beat it's already shaky checks, but the number 2 pokemon in the tier, Mega Gyarados, was the best answer to it by far and also amazing in it's own right. There was this tug and pull between the three best pokemon, mega gyarados, Dragonite, and mega charizard x where they could all beat each other depending on the set, but no set beat every other one.
Iron Bundle is so fast because he uses the bundle to blast out water to propel it, and it’s feet are skis
At 15:51 I experienced whiplash. I checked the calc, but... what happened? In the video Slowking evaporates, but: 252+ Atk Choice Band Gorilla Tactics Darmanitan-Galar Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Slowking: 217-256 (65.5 - 77.3%) -- guaranteed to not OHKO without a critical hit
I'm not a poke math master, but did you remember STAB? It's the only thing I didn't see mentioned, so I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. Past that I dunno, is it possible to turn off buff indicators on showdown? I don't know why you would...
@@RolandTheJabberwocky damage calculators factor in STAB inherently, unless you manually change the type it will automatically account for the extra damage
Just checked it, you have to give the slowking 0 HP and Defense IVs and a -Defense nature. Does 96-113%.
I will never forget a certain match during the Darmanitan-G metagame. I was thinking everyone is running them with scarf/band, switched out on an enemy Darm one time just to see the opposing darm to substitute. followed by my soul leaving my body after my opponent used belly drum (I got 6-0d)
12:05 Calling Dracovish "an average creature" is so funny
I still remember the first times I got Mega Khangaskhan and Sableye and immediately saying "Oh, this is banned as hell." Sucks too because I love Sableye, but using him in fights even with my friends just felt like bullying, lol. I'm glad it wasn't as nuts in 7.
Hot take:
But Base Blaziken should have got Quick Feet instead of Speed boost as an Hidden Ability
It would make more sense and Balanced wise and the Mega could still have Speed boost if you want.
Quick feet isnt an common ability that is use or seen but like the fact that it blocks Paralyzis and uses status to your advantage like the ability Guts.
Quick Feet only blocks from paralysis's speed drop, but you can still get screwed over by full paralysis. It's not a good ability in terms of combating paralysis
Full feet is dogshit, and also it was balanced in Ubers anyway
Or have speed boost only boost once. Gaining a boost at every end of a turn is overkill.
It would have made Blaziken pretty hard to justify using in gen 8+ when even Speed Boost couldn't get Blaziken to OU
funniest thing to me is that Espathra actually dropped to UU at one point
1:50 Please, go ahead, do it. Temp will find a way to sweep with him.
And that way is baton pass, a move that was banned for good reason
Fun fact: without terastalizing, the only mons that resist hydro pump+freeze dry are Dewgong and Walrein
It's a contender for the best STAB combination in the game, it's just beforehand it was exclusive to Lapras and its 85/85/60 offenses.
Fun fact Power Up Punch was removed from Mega Kangaskhan's moveset in gen 7, nerfing it in vgc, but smogon allows transfer moves
For vgc this had little effect though since mega kang didn't use the move in vgc in the first place. The nerf to parental bond's second hit was what nerfed it in vgc, but that didn't help in smogon formats where Seismic Toss was legal.
the most deserved ban of all time was funbro.
Slowbro stays winning
I once explained Funbro to someone who was unfamiliar with the strategy. They were flabbergasted
What's funbro?
@@Electric999999It is a strategy of catching a pokemon with slowbro, constantly healing it and recovering pp with berries and recovering them. If he does everything right, the only way to stop him is to give up.
@@Electric999999Slowbro with Heal Pulse, Slack Off, Block and Recycle with a Leppa Berry to continuously heal both itself and the opponent while disabling switching and recovering its PP to force an endless battle that could only be stopped by a forfeit. It was absolutely gross.
@@GoldStorm07Thanks for explaining it better, I didn't remember the names of the "attacks" that funbro used
Oh yeah, I remember Mega Gengar. Being Dugtrio on steroids would've gotten it banned sooner or later, but then people realized it was a one-man perish trap team. For bonus points it also had Taunt and Destiny Bond, allowing it to force a K.O on a whole nother swath of Pokemon.
I'm glad Mega Sableye was here. I fucking hate that thing and remember how it created The One Stall Team that choked the meta to death.
honestly without tera and with ogerpon, clodsire, dondozo, kyureum mola in the tier and how fast the meta is now i think dracovish wouldnt even be broken at all. without band + rain it can touch dozo or mola but without scarf its way too slow and even with scarf thing like pult naturally out speed it plus valiant can easily revenge it
Kyurem gets still demolished by Fishious Rend in Rain + Dragon STAB, Dondozo even without Rain gets super easily forced to Rest and is a passive piece of garbage you pretty much only see on fat stall tese days, Ogerpon-Wellspring resists its second STAB worse than Seismitoad and don't get me started with Tera Water and Terablast bs, it would just be a repeat of Palafin retest.
Did you know that sometimes regular-looking Pokemon like Cloyster or Cinderace get banned from competitive?
This may seem unfair, but it's actually completely deserved.
Nice, now I know what team to build
i love how 4 of the bans are just the devs saying how much fire power can we give before the mon just blast through everything .
“What did Cloyster do?”
Anyone who’s ever played random battles: 👁️👄👁️
I vividly remember the day marshadow dropped into ou and popped straight out again lmao
Fantastic videos lately jimbo
Early Gen VIII Seismitoad was also one of the few pre home Pokemon that had access to stealth rocks and it was immune to Dracozolt who was electric Dracovish.
It was funny seeing such an underwhelming Pokemon be OU because it was a hard counter to two of the most broken moves to exist.
14:35 - How did you not mention Belly Drum/Zen Mode Galarian Darmanitan? That thing hits even harder and it's so fast!
I can’t wait to find a gliscor in this list!
Free my boy Dracovish!!! He totally deserved it, but your honour, hes just a little guy, he can have a little violence as a treat!
Just subbed to your channel ! It’s as good as Wolfeyy!
So sad Annihilape got banned. Yes, it was deserved, but that evolution is so dang cool that I would like to use it anyway.
I wish you covered one of the funniest bans in Gen 9 which was Houndstone, a pure ghost type pokemon with relatively mediocre stats. The only reason it was banned at all is because it (as is somewhat common now) has one extremely overpowered move in last respects. A ghost type physical move similar to rage fist in that it starts at 50 power and stacks up 50 extra power every time its condition is met. Only except instead of needing to be hit to raise its power, an ally on the team simply needs to faint, up to a max stack of 300 base power.. This leads to no direct risk for Houndstone while still gaining a benefit, which of course leads to people running Houndstone last slot with a choice scarf for a needed speed boost and Tera ghost for an even stronger STAB bonus. With a base power of 600 after Tera Ghost, it honestly puts Dracovish’s measly 382.5 base power Fishous Rend to shame.
Of course with the release of Basculegion, a much better user of Last Respects with Swift Swim for a speed boost without choice scarf or Adaptability for greater STAB damage without using your Tera, Houndstone mostly lost his purpose and only unique move in Ubers. Smogon finally decided to change the ban from Houndstone himself, to the move Last Respects. Which I find to be more than fair to both Houndstone and Basculegion, who are ultimately fairly mediocre without Last Respects.
Gen 9's single metagame is nuts. Darkrai, Zamazenta (hero form, not crowned form), and Deoxys-Speed are all allowed to participate in OU. The first two have some points of contention, but haven't been brought to ban, and Deoxys-Speed even dipped into UU for a bit.
darkrai and deo-s really feel like ordinary mons that gamefreak made for gen 8/9, until you remember that theyve been around for quite a while lol. I'm glad they dropped, they provide good options without being broken like they would be in the past, and for darkrai especially getting sleep clause axed was a huge win
Fishious Rend is called Gill bite in Japanese, (Basically Fish bite.) Thats why it gets powered up from the Strong Jaw ability.
Remember ability and move interactions go off of the Japanese names since the game is from Japan. This why certain moves might see weird to us but make sense in Japanese.
Jim my boy you are giving my ears whiplash from the constant music changing in the intro
Jimothy possessed by Saverus Snape at 5:24 for those curious
Funniest thing about iron bundle is that it outsped both Fluttermane, Koraidon, Miriadon and Chien-pao by 1 base speed
Not Yamper! What will happen to the Little Cup NU tier without the incredibly impactful ability Ball Fetch?! Think this through Jimothy!
combuskin wall can be a bulky water type with trick room and a powerful move. Give it an expert belt
Thank you Mr. Fish for being one of the funniest OP Pokemon. At least for someone who had zero involvement in competitive and therefore didn't have to worry about it beyond laughing at how silly broken it was.
Iron bundle is fast in the way you wouldn't expect a snowmobile to be fast based on appearance
I still remember arguing with someone on showdown because I was using Garganacl and they were using Espathra and Shed Tail. They were complaining that I was using an OP mon and it would get banned soon and what they were using was fine.
Cloyster is and has always been a conchaversial pokemon.
One thing easily forgotten about G-Darm is Dynamax. Since Dynamax disables choicelocks it also disables Gorilla Tactics which meant that G-Darm was even more of an Absolute Menace for the short time Dynamax was legal as it could opt to change its move at any time. Another big frustration I found with G-Darm is its bulk. 105/55/55 on an Ice type may not seem *too* good but it was actually enough to survive priority moves. I thought I'd found a cool counter in Conkeldurr's Mach Punch but even at 252+ Atk Iron Fist you only deal 99% on a max roll so you'd need to fully commit and run Life Orb or Choice Band (or wait for hazard chip) to kill G-Darm. 140 Atk STAB SE priority couldn't delete this thing.
The thing I remember most about Iron Bundle is Finchinator asking people to name a single reliable switch-in to Specs Bundle that wasn't "Blissey or Hydro Pump's animation going to the left". The only answer I remember being pitched was full SpDef Tera Ice Water Absorb Vaporeon. Amazing.
iron bundle is truely robo santa from futurama
Dynamax was bad on Galarian-Darmanitan see BSS and VGC cartridge formats, it could barely abuse it with its shit bulk and not so great Dynamax and Choice Band boost was also disabled for 3 turns if it held that item to become a even more ridiculous wallbreaker. Dynamax had nothing to do with Galarian-Darmanitan ban from Gen 8 OU and if anything was the one thing that held it somewhat back.
@@LeticiaGrey19 It was still a frustrating element to playing around GDarm since you could never wholly rely on it being Choicelocked. And BSS and VGC are completely irrelevant to Smogon singles, why bring them up.
Cool! Now do a video about least deserved bans.
Base calyrex is probably restricted just because the broken horse rider versions are considered the same pokemon so its easier to just set calyrex as restricted than try to set an exception for base form
what's the name of the song that plays during the cloyster segment? I know it's from DKC I think...but I cannot figure it out
"There are no Ice immunities."
- Shedinja, in the corner, crying
Shedinja cannot cry, for he has no tear ducts. But he wouldn't cry if he could, because he benefits from everyone forgetting about him until he shows up.
@@2goodsharks Yes, it's beautiful! I also have a niche defense agenst dragovish but I won't say what it is because fuck Smogon.
Can you do a list of OU banned Pokémon but suck in VGC
In gen 9 Annihilape, Baxcalibur, Espathra, Gourging fire, Shaymin-sky, Spectrier and most suprisingly Palafin
@@olafmikoaj3121
G. fire is good in vgc
@olafmikoaj3121 annihilape and palafin were good in early gen9 vgc iirc
@@olafmikoaj3121 iirc Palafin's issue in VGC is mostly that if you want a strong physically offensive Water type then you have literally no reason not to run Urshifu instead. I guess it might suffer against Dozo too? I'm not familiar enough.
`2:25 Do you think that Scratch/Ember/Focus Energy/Peck Blaziken with Blaze be banned?