They are more like helicopters in terms of aerodynamics take for example a ship like the cutter, a blood brick that can fly at hundreds of kilometers per second, these ships reply on their engines and do not use the physics of lift to bevy them
Really appreciate the simple break downs especially the power triangle usage. I'm just starting to get better at dogfighting and I was clueless on power triangle.
Putting power to your weapons gives you more shots so very much yes you want to have the power in them when you're firing or your weapons will run out of shots sooner. Shields don't recharge when under fire so putting power there while in a furball wont help. You need 5 seconds of no damage to recharge. Power to weapons when fighting, engines to boost away, shields to recharge, weapons to engage
Hello, you mind telling me what dpi and sens you use in game? i would also like to know what are your ESP values for curve and dampening as well as the deadzone. It would really be helpful cause been struggling to find the right settings for vjoy
I'm referring this to my friends. Can I ask that you add chapters to this that way it's easier to navigate each part of the content? I'd reccomend A1's videos, but for the newcomer to the combat scene, it's sometimes too much to reccomend a top-tier dogfighter to someone who's just learning. Your breakdown bridges that gap nicely, and I'd love to see it improved with in game visual representations of the specific manuvers you're speaking on, and possible text transitions such as "Power Managment" when switching to speak to anothe topic. I personally understand the concepts ~ but if you really want to get this video to pop in the algorithm, and further, pop in regards to being shared around the community, a little elbow grease in editing can go a very long way in not only getting your points across while offering information, but bolstering your content's signal by simply being even more compartmentalized and digestable. This is a constructive effort to help you improve this video's flow, while also teaching new people the ropes. This style of content is in very high demand, and I hope to see you grow as a voice on the topics as you further improve as a pilot. o7
Please correct me if I’m wrong but according to Erkul, putting full power to shields SIGNIFICANTLY lowers your weapons DPS. Putting full power to shields only helps the recharge rate. So this logic doesn’t make sense to me. What you should be doing is having full power to guns at all times until your shields get low or go down. At which point you need to get out of there and then switch full power to shields to charge them back up. The only thing that changes with shields while having full power to guns is the recharge rate. When you have full power to guns not only do you get more shots but you also recharge your guns faster and increase your DPS. But like I said this is all according to Erkul. Go and mess with the power triangle in Erkul and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
Thank u, coming from mining and salavag8ng strictly, pushing myself into more bounty and fighting situations. Trying to stay a good guy but i wanna fight with meaning. Cant wait to master my arrow buccaneer and fury. This helped alot
Okay, power to boost in a dogfight after shields and weapons have been topped up is basically the old RL Fighter Pilot slogan... "Speed is Life" Gotcha :)
I once fought in my Titan Avenger with three panther repeaters, with all power to shields, and the guns' capacitors drained almost immediately and refused to recharge. I found better results if I leave full power to guns, then intermittently run away and put full power to shields. I don't know if I get different results if I upgrade to Gladius ?
i've been watching A1's videos, but sometimes they are too complicated. This is just nice. Also loved the part when you talk about ships and compare them a bit. There are a plenty of ship reviews, but nothing like this (comparison of ships in combat, their advantages and disadvantages). It would be really good to have a series of videos that would break down advantages and disadvantages of different ships in combat and possible tactics against some other ships)
im new to the channel and i felt it was a bit complicated and too detailed honestly. As a beginner, most of the stuff he talked about was just simply not things we can know. Most of it was just knowledge you pick up once you're familiar with each ship. It would have been better to focus more on controls and functionality within the game that we might not be aware of... turning decoupled on and off etc.
4:28 don't you enlarge the magazines of energie weapons by putting power to weapons? haven't played a while but when I did I used to do this, because you shield can't regen while taking dmg, so you better enlarge your weapon mag for more chanse to kill in a good burst.
Yeah slightly increases. But you take reduced damage when you have power to shields. The reality is you don't end up having time to have power on weapons for more then just recharge if your are using boost right and recharging shields
I have a C2 that I want to use for doing bounties to get those weevil eggs. But I'm starting from zero rep-wise. I also have a Cutty Black. Should I just take that out for the first few missions to get bearings, or should I just use the C2 from the start so I'm used to fighting in it?
One question I have is regards to keybinds. Do you use the mouse wheel to control your throttle or do you have keybinds set up to instantly switch it to a percentage? I'm also guessing that you are controlling your power triangle with keybinds too?
I'm starting, and for now it feels horrible... It happens a lot that the enemy crash with me, almost sounds they are doing suicide runs against me :D but maybe I'm the one to blame because I tend to leave my cursor where they are heading to fire at them and it will eventually lead to a collision xD
Do you guy use F5-8 to control the triangle ? It’s not really convenient for me, I’d have to take off one hand to change every time when repeaters are dry.
Watching this and sweating in my Aurora MR starter ship. There’s no way I’ll ever be good at this. I did recently give the ship and overall upgrade though, so I might start take up some bounties. Good video though.
Hey Ardvark, great video and you earned a sub! So I have a question, I really love 3 fighters and they all seem to be mediocre at best since the last time Avenger_One reviewed them. Where would you put the Banu, Tana and Hawk? If you could rate these 3 in terms of viability overall and between each other, I would really love it, as I am having a tough time choosing. Thanks in advance!
The Hawk isn't really good because, of the big "Front it has" or lemme say it different the overall area where the enemy can hit you is quit big for the hawk
Same goes to the Tana and Defender- but overall you don't need Meta ships for PVP only if you fight Good pilots. Otherwise it doesn't matter that much you can even win plenty of fights with a prowler which is a terrible ship for pvp
the gameplay with your pc specs does not look bad, I want to get into the game but im worried my pc will not handle it well im running an i7 7700k with a rtx 2060 + m2.ssd what are your avg. fps?
i ran pretty okay on an i5 7600k with a 1070 and 16gig of mid ram. never stopped my enjoyment. the biggest boost to the game was definitely installing on ssd. other than that, it doesnt run leaps and bounds better with the massively upgraded setup, just about 10-15 more fps. also had a 4k monitor with the 1070 and 1440p with this monitor so the framerate increase is partly due to that as well. i definitely say give it a shot with those specs
@@AverageArdvark last update we got was that it is under testing in the SQ42 branch. I guess that means they are currently balancing the ships they need for the single player, and once that is done, they need to get all other ships in line. As I believe they want to release it for all ships at once. I hope we will be able to test it soon, but I guess it's 6+ months out.
I've been dogfighting in AC and I use the word with all due respect and I have been getting scorched...I fly a cutty black...my flying skills are acceptable..but pvp is horrendous😢
Yes it would be if the game followed logic lol. But in this game pitching at a 45 degree angle is actually faster. because you are using up and down thrust to pitch in addition to side to side thrusters, the game counts it as a cumulative thrust and it becomes additive.
I use lead always. if you want a more detailed explanation you can check out my most recent dogfighting video on the channel. I talk about it in there.
iv been watching videos doing drills but every time i fight someone i don't get a chance to do anything i learnt. in a fight were the guy is soo much better i panic and forget everything i learnt lol
@@AverageArdvark Yup, either find someone in PU to practice with, or get into Arena Commander come 3.20 at least. There are groups that run regular practice fights and such.
SCM modes are the worst part of ED aside from all of Odyssey. The thing that would fix is properly Ballance ship armour and weapons giving fighter the ability to heras large targets and retreat and large targets the ability to completely ignore solitary or small groups of fighters. Turret turn speeds being what they are will make big ships dominant when SCM speeds hit.....the Redeemer will be boss
You didnt even show how and what to aim at. You didn't even show how to put power to weapons, shields and engine. That's the most unclear thing for noobs, since you make a guide for them...
You do realise most ppl start playing don't know how to do most the stuff your talking about like your shields switching power or I have the nomad and can't fire a missile
Avenger One does have some great info, but once he started opening videos with fuggin' Jordan Peterson quotes I had to click "Don't Recommend Channel." :(
What I don't get, is your aim in these videos is absolute garbage. You barely even PASS THROUGH the pip let alone hold it and trace, yet you are getting credit for hits on clear misses. I've let a full volley of repeaters till empty direct onto a target pip, get hit markers and everything, and enemy shields show zero damage. I just don't get it. The network code is trash or something, but dog fighting in this game is completely broken. How can you show my client hit markers but no damage has delivered to target? Makes no sense.
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Isn't Gladius better at Rate fight than the Arrow ? At least Erkul website says that. Great summary otherwise =) Keep up the good work !
The gladius is better at the rate fight than the arrow in space. But those numbers definitely change once you get into atmo.
@@elwafflegrande Yeah true for Atmo
My bad got the numbers backwards!
@@AverageArdvark It's ok i have everything backwards in general ! You're good =)
Underrated channel! Super informative video about what to think about when having a dogfight. Thanks! Subbed 🎉
My biggest mistake in flying in this game is treating each spacecraft like a fighter jet when I should be treating them like a helicopter.
They are more like helicopters in terms of aerodynamics take for example a ship like the cutter, a blood brick that can fly at hundreds of kilometers per second, these ships reply on their engines and do not use the physics of lift to bevy them
I used to do the same, but I think I've gotten better since I've started trying to fly them like a space ship instead of a jet
Thankfully that should be changing soon for in-atmo flight.
Should probably be treating them like space ships
Really appreciate the simple break downs especially the power triangle usage. I'm just starting to get better at dogfighting and I was clueless on power triangle.
Just started this with my family. Plenty of us noobs out there looking to get better. Thanks for the vid.
You and your family play this together? That's really cool and something I wish my family and I did together
@@onexlifeonly132 was jus gonna say this wtf thats so tight
What a chill family
Have fun dude
Putting power to your weapons gives you more shots so very much yes you want to have the power in them when you're firing or your weapons will run out of shots sooner. Shields don't recharge when under fire so putting power there while in a furball wont help. You need 5 seconds of no damage to recharge. Power to weapons when fighting, engines to boost away, shields to recharge, weapons to engage
3 extra shots in your guns or life saving boost. Take your pick lol
That's been my experience too . Full power to shields and my panthers refuse to recharge.
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Hello, you mind telling me what dpi and sens you use in game? i would also like to know what are your ESP values for curve and dampening as well as the deadzone. It would really be helpful cause been struggling to find the right settings for vjoy
Excellent video. I will share this out to the newer members of my org.
I'm referring this to my friends.
Can I ask that you add chapters to this that way it's easier to navigate each part of the content?
I'd reccomend A1's videos, but for the newcomer to the combat scene, it's sometimes too much to reccomend a top-tier dogfighter to someone who's just learning.
Your breakdown bridges that gap nicely, and I'd love to see it improved with in game visual representations of the specific manuvers you're speaking on, and possible text transitions such as "Power Managment" when switching to speak to anothe topic.
I personally understand the concepts ~ but if you really want to get this video to pop in the algorithm, and further, pop in regards to being shared around the community, a little elbow grease in editing can go a very long way in not only getting your points across while offering information, but bolstering your content's signal by simply being even more compartmentalized and digestable.
This is a constructive effort to help you improve this video's flow, while also teaching new people the ropes. This style of content is in very high demand, and I hope to see you grow as a voice on the topics as you further improve as a pilot.
o7
Please correct me if I’m wrong but according to Erkul, putting full power to shields SIGNIFICANTLY lowers your weapons DPS. Putting full power to shields only helps the recharge rate. So this logic doesn’t make sense to me. What you should be doing is having full power to guns at all times until your shields get low or go down. At which point you need to get out of there and then switch full power to shields to charge them back up. The only thing that changes with shields while having full power to guns is the recharge rate. When you have full power to guns not only do you get more shots but you also recharge your guns faster and increase your DPS. But like I said this is all according to Erkul. Go and mess with the power triangle in Erkul and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
You had some good 45s in there. You had a few tims full pitch or mostly yaw, bit overall great flyinf while coaching the noobs of us out there!
I must have written this while falling asleep or while eating.
Bro, that Delta tip was so useful. I don't know why the other pros don't mention that. 🤯
Thank u, coming from mining and salavag8ng strictly, pushing myself into more bounty and fighting situations. Trying to stay a good guy but i wanna fight with meaning. Cant wait to master my arrow buccaneer and fury. This helped alot
i love how you explained that. big thanks man
I turn off a cooler and lifesupport to have full power on engine, shields and guns. Is that a bad idea?
Really helpful video, I needed a good baseline for dogfights so I'm not just*cough*winging it
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAGAGAGGAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA
How do you actually see where your shields/power/weapons are set in the power triangle?
Okay, power to boost in a dogfight after shields and weapons have been topped up is basically the old RL Fighter Pilot slogan... "Speed is Life" Gotcha :)
I once fought in my Titan Avenger with three panther repeaters, with all power to shields, and the guns' capacitors drained almost immediately and refused to recharge. I found better results if I leave full power to guns, then intermittently run away and put full power to shields. I don't know if I get different results if I upgrade to Gladius ?
i've been watching A1's videos, but sometimes they are too complicated. This is just nice. Also loved the part when you talk about ships and compare them a bit. There are a plenty of ship reviews, but nothing like this (comparison of ships in combat, their advantages and disadvantages). It would be really good to have a series of videos that would break down advantages and disadvantages of different ships in combat and possible tactics against some other ships)
im new to the channel and i felt it was a bit complicated and too detailed honestly. As a beginner, most of the stuff he talked about was just simply not things we can know. Most of it was just knowledge you pick up once you're familiar with each ship. It would have been better to focus more on controls and functionality within the game that we might not be aware of... turning decoupled on and off etc.
4:28 don't you enlarge the magazines of energie weapons by putting power to weapons? haven't played a while but when I did I used to do this, because you shield can't regen while taking dmg, so you better enlarge your weapon mag for more chanse to kill in a good burst.
Yeah slightly increases. But you take reduced damage when you have power to shields. The reality is you don't end up having time to have power on weapons for more then just recharge if your are using boost right and recharging shields
Ayy! What a nice little summation of fighting. Keep up the good work my man. Hopefully I'll see you out there in the future
Thanks bro! I learned from the best.
Waffles are better than pancakes! Good stuff!
I have a C2 that I want to use for doing bounties to get those weevil eggs. But I'm starting from zero rep-wise. I also have a Cutty Black. Should I just take that out for the first few missions to get bearings, or should I just use the C2 from the start so I'm used to fighting in it?
may i ask you how the hardwaresetup affects all that? like upload download speed of ur provider... CPU GPU etc...
Does everyone use a joystick? I prefer not to. Also what's the easiest way yall have found to bind the power triangle?
Wtf is power and how do i switch it?
One question I have is regards to keybinds. Do you use the mouse wheel to control your throttle or do you have keybinds set up to instantly switch it to a percentage? I'm also guessing that you are controlling your power triangle with keybinds too?
I use a stick so pushing forward controls the thrust. Power is also bound to stick. Check out my latest hosam video of you want the details 👍
I'm starting, and for now it feels horrible... It happens a lot that the enemy crash with me, almost sounds they are doing suicide runs against me :D but maybe I'm the one to blame because I tend to leave my cursor where they are heading to fire at them and it will eventually lead to a collision xD
How do we switch full power to shields? Is there a keybind? I didnt see any in the settings.. I expected it to be an F key.
Nice vid, very helpful!
Good stuff, where can I find waffle's videos?
Elwafflegrande is his channel
Do you guy use F5-8 to control the triangle ? It’s not really convenient for me, I’d have to take off one hand to change every time when repeaters are dry.
Nah, i am using alt + WSAD. For example: alt+W for energy to engine
@@matyasmachacek1598 Yeah I changed it to my mouse buttons
Right, to win be better at edging then my opponent. Got it!
I find using the power triangle to be quite laborious. Do you use Gameglass to shift your power fast?
There are keys for shifting power 100% to one system. F5 is weapons. F6 is engines. F7 shields. F8 reset in the middle.
Watching this and sweating in my Aurora MR starter ship. There’s no way I’ll ever be good at this. I did recently give the ship and overall upgrade though, so I might start take up some bounties. Good video though.
Hey Ardvark, great video and you earned a sub! So I have a question, I really love 3 fighters and they all seem to be mediocre at best since the last time Avenger_One reviewed them. Where would you put the Banu, Tana and Hawk? If you could rate these 3 in terms of viability overall and between each other, I would really love it, as I am having a tough time choosing. Thanks in advance!
The Hawk isn't really good because, of the big "Front it has" or lemme say it different the overall area where the enemy can hit you is quit big for the hawk
Same goes to the Tana and Defender- but overall you don't need Meta ships for PVP only if you fight Good pilots. Otherwise it doesn't matter that much you can even win plenty of fights with a prowler which is a terrible ship for pvp
yo sorry this is late. Banu all the way out of htose 3. banu is one of the fastest ships in the game also has decent manueverability and firepower.
@@AverageArdvark 👍
the gameplay with your pc specs does not look bad, I want to get into the game but im worried my pc will not handle it well im running an i7 7700k with a rtx 2060 + m2.ssd
what are your avg. fps?
i ran pretty okay on an i5 7600k with a 1070 and 16gig of mid ram. never stopped my enjoyment. the biggest boost to the game was definitely installing on ssd. other than that, it doesnt run leaps and bounds better with the massively upgraded setup, just about 10-15 more fps. also had a 4k monitor with the 1070 and 1440p with this monitor so the framerate increase is partly due to that as well. i definitely say give it a shot with those specs
Up strafe is W key and thruster?
Gg wel done . The obvious thins that is comon knowlage secrets
Gg thx for the video
Been fighting in decoupled mode all the time. Am i doing it wrong?
Great vid btw.
There is no SCM modes in 3.18.
really great video otherwise!
not on release no but I thought they were adding it later?
@@AverageArdvark last update we got was that it is under testing in the SQ42 branch. I guess that means they are currently balancing the ships they need for the single player, and once that is done, they need to get all other ships in line. As I believe they want to release it for all ships at once.
I hope we will be able to test it soon, but I guess it's 6+ months out.
@@maxm17736 months later and ofc not yet 😅
I've been dogfighting in AC and I use the word with all due respect and I have been getting scorched...I fly a cutty black...my flying skills are acceptable..but pvp is horrendous😢
It's good, but I'd like a 5min video explaining only the most important points that I could then practice
Why are you turning nose diagonal and not nose up? Thought full Yaw had the fastest turn speed.
Yes it would be if the game followed logic lol. But in this game pitching at a 45 degree angle is actually faster. because you are using up and down thrust to pitch in addition to side to side thrusters, the game counts it as a cumulative thrust and it becomes additive.
Great content
Thank you !
Any opinion on lead pip vs lag pip?
I use lead always. if you want a more detailed explanation you can check out my most recent dogfighting video on the channel. I talk about it in there.
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I mean, I like what you explained, but you didnt explain what buttons to use and I am a NOOB noob. No idea how to change my power on the fly lol
maybe provide links to the guys you are referring to
defntly u got my follow! :D
iv been watching videos doing drills but every time i fight someone i don't get a chance to do anything i learnt. in a fight were the guy is soo much better i panic and forget everything i learnt lol
Reps against actual humans. Reps reps reps. Not replacement for experience. I was the same way.
@@AverageArdvark Yup, either find someone in PU to practice with, or get into Arena Commander come 3.20 at least. There are groups that run regular practice fights and such.
SCM modes are the worst part of ED aside from all of Odyssey. The thing that would fix is properly Ballance ship armour and weapons giving fighter the ability to heras large targets and retreat and large targets the ability to completely ignore solitary or small groups of fighters. Turret turn speeds being what they are will make big ships dominant when SCM speeds hit.....the Redeemer will be boss
Master modes arent coming in 3.18, i think they are coming in 4.0
Yeah I don't even know how to turn on shields so...
No, power to guns is not useless.
I’m pretty much a new player, haven’t played this game seriously since like… 3.10? 😂
Hopefully everyone sees this. Jousters are anoying xD
Why they make ballistic ammo capacity total shit
Ugh.... Arrow.
That's half the fight.
You didnt even show how and what to aim at. You didn't even show how to put power to weapons, shields and engine. That's the most unclear thing for noobs, since you make a guide for them...
did he say waffle grande?
You do realise most ppl start playing don't know how to do most the stuff your talking about like your shields switching power or I have the nomad and can't fire a missile
Avenger One does have some great info, but once he started opening videos with fuggin' Jordan Peterson quotes I had to click "Don't Recommend Channel." :(
If this is a noob video you should probably not assume knowledge. You start off with Delta but you skip over targeting.
Khart is broken.
I'm a minute and a half in, and you still haven't said what game you're talking about.
Oh sorry. It's Minecraft
What I don't get, is your aim in these videos is absolute garbage. You barely even PASS THROUGH the pip let alone hold it and trace, yet you are getting credit for hits on clear misses. I've let a full volley of repeaters till empty direct onto a target pip, get hit markers and everything, and enemy shields show zero damage. I just don't get it. The network code is trash or something, but dog fighting in this game is completely broken. How can you show my client hit markers but no damage has delivered to target? Makes no sense.
Lol... Dogfighting with coupled mode and g force on. Go home with your tips.
What's g force? The gunea pig movie?
A1 fights in coupled mode at least half the time :P
Shit talker with no videos. Big surprise.
both have their pros and cons. Don't be a one trick pony
typical just watch x youtuber say use exclusive decouple mode take herp a derp take 🤪. Enjoy being ratio'd 229 likes to 5 dislikes including yours 🤡