Think we should remember that cargo has been moved around the globe by sailing ships for many thousands of years. We’ve only been using mechanically propelled ships for the last 150! (ignoring oars of course)
Yeah. Also the people who think this is a scam clearly don't understand the business model or market for ships like this. They're not aiming to compete with container ships, small high value cargo to smaller ports is the whole point.
I recently watched a diesel cargo ship hauling 68,000 tons of iron ore leave port. At 'one-tenth the carbon per trip' and 67 additional trips, this would be a net increase in carbon emissions of 580%. The one advantage would be that the whisky being hauled could be labeled as 'Aged 20 Years' instead of 'Aged 15 Years' by the time it arrives.
@@paulfanning7059 Good catch!! However, it did qualify the stat as 'projected' due to the maiden voyage only being underway. It was also vague in information given - which is always a red flag. For example, 'The ship was 'making good time, with favorable winds'. No specifics. Then, they state that the shipping company claims alcoholic cargo on the ocean has, 'unique aging properties for the cognac and champagne via the motion and sea air'. This is another red flag as it is the shipper stating this; and secondly, all ships experience this same air and wave phenomenon on the seas; and lastly, the booze is shipped in sealed containers. The economy of scale that the diesel allows (eliminating the need for an additional 67 ships to be built, maintained, staffed, docked, unloaded, tugged, lock and dammed, stored, etc.) speaks for itself. And why has the company already 'lost' a ship?? Likely to being undersized for taking on such a task. When details are sparse, the scam is usually on. Downtown San Francisco is built atop thousands of abandoned ships of this type that were simply abandoned by their crews after voyages from overseas.
Exactly, the idea is to start with niche specialty cargoes and ports and then expand their market. Other sailing cargo ventures have already shown economic feasibility of the strategy.
@@RichardCarter-yq2mw that’s actually a fantastic idea! As the fuel cost to reach them is the main reason they don’t get regular service. Rather than trying to shoehorn sail onto the big bois, Using this to fill gaps in our infrastructure seems like a better use of resources! This could be of huge benefit to remote islanders.
@@markthompson9914 it’s not a lack of refinement thing, it’s a square cubed law issue. It would take so much sail to move even a 50,000 ton handysize bulker(the small end merchant ships), it just wouldn’t be feasible unfortunately.
@@markthompson9914 im not trying to spam you but I just went and did some math on it . To power a 75,000ton tanker/bulker totally by sail reliably, it would take: Metric: 50,000 square meters or 5.3 hectares of sail Imperial: 570,487.25 ftsq or 13.1 acres of sail!! I was not prepared for that number to be honest with you 😱
@@TheSpookiestgoose OK u can’t sail rig a huge container ship, but u can add those sail tube things that cut done on fuel. Anything to keep the tree huggers happy 😂👍
I think it is interesting. Think back centuries ago to the times when very large sailing cargo vessels were the normal for global trade. Remember that they didn't have engines to make docking simple. They had to sail to the dock and they would often have to anchor out for over a week waiting for a favorable wind direction that would allow them to dock. That all took a tremendous amount of skill from the captain and crew. Those were amazing times.
Amazing times for the people waiting onshore for the products rotting just out of reach. Amazing times for the crew living on shoe leather because their stores have run out. Amazing times indeed.
@@VanD-Dam You seem like a spoiled brat who lacks a proper sense of scale. Successful sea captains were the wealthiest people around and they took good care of their crew. Transoceanic cargo is not fresh produce.
@@VanD-Dam Did you even watch the video? The products that they are shipping is not perishable like that. And besides that, these days there are refrigerators. Plus the whole ship is automated and designed to go fast. They have modern navigation and radar. They can dock, load and unload quickly at all times. So what you are trying to imply is complete nonsense. You are trying to compare apples and pears.
@@VanD-Dam The ships captains of that era were the wealthiest people around and they took very good care of their crews. Nobody shipped fresh produce transoceanic in those days so you are very wrong.
Back in the day they would often just row the cargo to shore using the ship's boats since a lot of the products were perishable and they couldn't wait a week.
@@TheGrenadier97 I don't buy that. I've never seen it "properly handled". They have all kinds of nuclear waste from the Manhattan Project still oozing out of the ground and groundwater in my area, and don't get me started on West Valley. I do like sailboats though. : )
It won't. Regardless of using sail, it still has diesel generators, it needs all the equipment and facilities as a commercial cargo vessel. As it is small it will not have the economies of scale to make it efficient. As each vessel must have the same systems, it means more vessels and multiple units compared to a larger single vessel. This is a marketing exercise. Doubtlessly aided by generous government subsidies, grants , carbon credits, tax rebates or exemptions in one form or another.
A nice token to Co2 savings. Meanwhile, Maersk has been running thousands of tonnes of cargo for over 10 years with wind assistance, using the much more efficient Flettner Rotors.
@@funnelvortex7722 OR Electricity, generated by Solar. BUT, really, NO commercial ship goes to sea without a working engine of some sort. And if the propulsive force is so much more than the input power, its not a major downside. Oh, and I bet these commercial sails ALSO require working engines, in the form of Hydraulic Controls, winches, and Rams. Not to mention the need for human intervention, even during rough conditions.
Both sails and rotors are valid solutions, but for different problems. Flettner rotors have the advantage of being relatively easy to use and to install on existing ships. They are therefore often considered as retrofit solutions for wind-assisted sailing, i.e. running the engine as usual, but using wind propulsion to reduce the engine power, saving of the order of 10%-15% on emissions. This is a great solution, especially since it can reduce the emissions of existing ships. TOWT chooses a more radical approach, where they try to perform their crossings as much as possible with pure wind propulsion. This is more radical, thus less easy to attract investors, which is why the companies buying these ships often pick smaller vessels to get started (Anemos is about 80m if I remember right, the similar French Neoliner will be around 130m). I find it interesting that TOWT picked traditional white soft sails, which are cheap to manufacture, but require skill to operate. We'll see how it works out. Anyway, there is no reason to start a fight between sails and Flettner rotors, we're currently in a stage where innovation is important, where many different types of problems need to be solved, and any idea is worth trying out.
@@Jeroen-pi7yp Its a nice sentiment, but the issue is more critical than some feel good, token effort using old technology. The fuel used by freighters is a huge proportion of fossil usages, and the solutions ought to be able to be scaled up to cover the larger vessels, if we want to actually make a difference. Traditional sails cannot achieve that.
@@Jeroen-pi7ypthe amount of sail you would need to push a 50, 80, 100 thousand ton vessel at a walking pace would look like city skyline. That besides, I want no part in hauling canvas so you gotta make them work with automation! We don’t climb mizzen masts anymore, better up that hazard pay😂
I would turn it into a pure passenger sailing ship, I can assure you it would be full every trip. Make it a special luxury sailing ship! A sort of slow Concord of the seas!
There is no way this ship can compete with the large conventional cargo ships. It all comes down to how much it costs to carry a ton of cargo across the ocean. The big ships can carry the same cargo for a tenth of the cost per ton as that sailing ship can. That is why the supersonic airliners failed. They cost several times as much for a ticket across the ocean as the wide-bodied airliners do.
There are still small ports that the big cargo ships can’t get into. They are normally used by local small container ships. The ports bulk carriers use were specially built to take them.
They will still use the Panama and Suez canals. Fossil fuels overtook sail because it was cheap at the time and no one was concerned about climate change and also everyone feared submarines after sailing ships got torpedoed in WW1. Different world today. These ships are also faster/better than the old ones and some of these ventures are already profitable.
@@funnelvortex7722 another reason for the success of steam ships and other powered vessels was that they fared better in adverse weather conditions. Now with satellite weather readily available around the globe and skynet connectivity, a lot of the guesswork is taken out of sail and you can avoid a lot of detrimental storms. Also the large sailing luxury ships that the dutch have been producing use computerized roller furling sail plans which take a lot less crew and work than even the schooners did in the older age of sail. I was wondering if some of the lizard footed super yachts would lead to the speedier forms of ocean cargo, but it is a bit early to expect the designers to use the concepts yet. But computerized sail management is already a thing.
@@christopherstube9473in certain parts of the ocean, storms are born there, a storm can grow from a slight breeze to a full gale, in the time it takes you to leave port and reach that spot.
@@jerrypolverino6025 Yeah everyone calling this a scam doesn't know what they're talking about. Even when sailing a dinghy on my local lake I spend way less regularly than the guys on jet skis since there's no fuel burnt and less moving parts to break. Also it's not supposed to compete with container ships, it's in a different market. And other companies have already shown the sailing cargo business model is profitable, Grain De Sail made enough to launch their second ship.
Just as you begin to turn a profit, you need a refit, rigging sails etc. I certainly dont think its that profitable, as a yachtsman I do love the concept though.
They are saying that they were using old sailing ships before. I suspect that they are specialists carrying very high value cargo. I still wonder how much maintenance would cost on a Schooner that size.
@@funnelvortex7722 Modern sailing ships still have engines. So, now you have the cost of rigging and sails IN ADDITION to the costs associated with an engine. Saving on fuel costs? Yeah, but you end up spending the money you save elsewhere - which might be worth it, depending on your use case, but the idea that a sailboat is cheaper overall than a straight up motor vessel is not necessarily true.
One of these sail powered 'green' cargo boats turned up here a few years ago. ( Sydney N.S.) They were so 'green' that they only had hot water showers when they ran her engine while entering the port😅
You can get heating and internal power via solar and water drag generators. Also using the motor in and out of harbor is just safety and regulation, the motor isn't run during transit.
@@funnelvortex7722obviously not enough power, cause they don’t get hot showers underway. Count me out, your gonna have to pay me a lot more than going rate to deal with that bs
You misunderstood what I meant. It would do her no good to be built and then go "what should I do? Where should I go?" I'm saying that I'm hoping the owners had already contacted say ports A & B to check if he could use the ship there.
How many of these cargo ships would be needed to replace one modern container ship? Wht is the carbon footprint of building thousands of said small sailing cargo ships to one large ship? These questions need to bee asked to see if there is enough bang for the buck here. Can anybody tell us how much climate change will be reversed if some cargo is transported like this. Seems like a boutique business for rich people who want to virtue signal all they are doing to save th planet. The is not a realistic solution even if reducing CO2 is what needs to be done. I thought we were told that we were beyond the point of being able to do anything anyway. A
There is absolutely no way the carbon intensity calculations aren't using fudged numbers. No way, no how. They'll be excluding embodied carbon completely I'd guess, and only measuring direct emissions in transit. The cost of fuel is typically only 45% of the operating costs of a container ship. Just that fact is completely dispositive of the "up to 99%" figure, because all the other costs have embodied carbon in them. Even propelling a sailing vessel incurs a carbon cost, sails and rigging don't magic out of thin air, and the price you pay for them represents a contribution to the energy mix of the supply chain which produced them. The ship itself has a finite useful life, so averaging that cost also needs to be factored in. I would be extremely surprised if in a fair comparison sail cargo wasn't more carbon intensive than cargo carried on container ships. There's just far more critical stuff far more exposed to the elements.
In my opinion 99% less carbon from wind power vs oil tanker is way too conservative, the carbon savings are most likely higher than 1000%, probably more for the life of wind powered vessels.
@@funnelvortex7722 Yes, factoring NOTHING else in, 45% is a big number. Factoring in that a container ship can carry 6615% more than this, 45% starts to look very, very small. Per ton, the crew requirements of a container ship are 5-7% that of this sailing cargo ship, assuming a tiny crew of 5. So 15-20x the manpower, across 66x the fleet, just to drive the same amount of cargo. It's absurd.
You'd be surprised, a French company called Grain De Sail turned this sort of thing into a profitable enough venture that they were able to afford the construction and deployment of a second ship.
TOWT themselves have been operating successfully for years. The key to their success is to transport high-value food articles like chocolate, where 'transported by sail' on the label adds significant value. Their products can be found in supermarkets throughout the French west coast.
So, news about sailing vessel without an image of the ship actually sailing under sail. Regardless, good news for the transport of low volume, high value, non time critical transport
Sounds like they already are a successful business, they apparently sailed old sailing ships before they built this new one of theirs and managed to turn a profit this whole time.
Hey , wait a minute. Av. cont weight 25t. x 4 =100t . So you saying this vessel can take 40 containers of freight. Yeah, Im not buying that.Thats a lot of handload /unload.
They'll need to think in far greater terms than several thousand tons per Year but yes in commerce anything is possible tho seems crazy busy as a sailing ship to me and of course will need to be seen if working can be made much larger. Still for arriving in deep Inland ports upon in North America being small"ish" can have enormous advantages absolutely as might be able to deliver goods straight to a merchant onshore instead of having to rely on 3rd Parties for that absolutely. How far inland? Depending upon mast height #Chesapeake_Delaware_Canal is how far. Sail up one vast Region but then pick up cargo for any return voyage along another entirely different Region despite being parallel to one another.
They could go as far inland as Duluth, the canals around the Great Lakes are big enough for it and much of the St. Lawrence has enough room to run under sail. The Great Lakes have tons of small ports especially tourist towns that will buy the type of high value cargo these ships carry.
With crew that has to pay for the privilege.Its a rich mans excuse to go sailing with crew who pay for the berth onboard. Island hopping the Carribean for fun and calling it "Green"'
I have sailed on a commercial sailing vessel. The sails looked like traditional canvas, performed like traditional canvas but were actually made of a fabric made from recycled plastic.
That's the ketch (LOL) . Jamaica Rum imported on a sailing ship . Aged in oak barrels while moved by the waves ....... for some this is worth the extra price.
The transport cost for premium French luxury goods is almost irrelevant. The profit margins are so high that they probably won't have to pass the cost on to their consumers. Their consumers are so wealthy that it wouldn't matter if they did.
not the first, wich are Gain de Sail 1 and 2 : www.youtube.com/@graindesail2297. Yet Another french society launches a third system in the coming months
Although an interesting idea, being so dependent on niche shippers is a vulnerability that could easily be exploited by traditional shipping companies willing to offer significant lower rates, security, and transit speed.
@@romandybala one place I see this as a viable option, is servicing remote islands, as the fuel cost vs the size of the shipments makes it difficult to service more than once a year or so, and very expensive for the islanders in the process. I could see maybe a 3,500-4,000 gross registered ton vessels plying the trade winds to eastern isle and the like. (If I had officer/mate rate I would definitely try to get on at least one voyage on it!) I’m not against sail at all I think it’s a fantastic old skill, but I also know it has limitations. (It would take 5 hectares of sail to power a panamax class vessel totally by sail) i think there are technologies out there that will fit the bill for big ships and things like that. (hydrogen fuel cell is one I’ve been exploring for a long time)
Tell me you didn’t watch the whole video without telling me you didn’t watch the whole video. They’ve been doing it and just needed new and better ships. It must of been paying well because that is not a cheap boat they have bought. Your argument when taken to the roads would be “we don’t need vans because lorries exist”. We still have vans and we also still have small cargo vessels.
It is interesting to look at the total shipping tonnage for the world and how this may have increased since the days when sail predominated. For the 1920s (long after the demise of sail) the global shipping figure is around 300 million tons. In 2021 this had risen to 1.95 Billion tons - a 6.5 fold increase. Like much else, we have rather painted ourselves into a corner on shipping thanks to population growth.
Think we should remember that cargo has been moved around the globe by sailing ships for many thousands of years. We’ve only been using mechanically propelled ships for the last 150! (ignoring oars of course)
Your right, even those oar ships had sails, like a little sailing yacht with a little helper engine!
Yeah. Also the people who think this is a scam clearly don't understand the business model or market for ships like this.
They're not aiming to compete with container ships, small high value cargo to smaller ports is the whole point.
I recently watched a diesel cargo ship hauling 68,000 tons of iron ore leave port. At 'one-tenth the carbon per trip' and 67 additional trips, this would be a net increase in carbon emissions of 580%. The one advantage would be that the whisky being hauled could be labeled as 'Aged 20 Years' instead of 'Aged 15 Years' by the time it arrives.
He said 1/10 th the carbon per tonne. It would still take 67 more trips but carbon emissions would be reduced 90% overall.
@@paulfanning7059 Good catch!! However, it did qualify the stat as 'projected' due to the maiden voyage only being underway. It was also vague in information given - which is always a red flag. For example, 'The ship was 'making good time, with favorable winds'. No specifics. Then, they state that the shipping company claims alcoholic cargo on the ocean has, 'unique aging properties for the cognac and champagne via the motion and sea air'. This is another red flag as it is the shipper stating this; and secondly, all ships experience this same air and wave phenomenon on the seas; and lastly, the booze is shipped in sealed containers. The economy of scale that the diesel allows (eliminating the need for an additional 67 ships to be built, maintained, staffed, docked, unloaded, tugged, lock and dammed, stored, etc.) speaks for itself. And why has the company already 'lost' a ship?? Likely to being undersized for taking on such a task. When details are sparse, the scam is usually on. Downtown San Francisco is built atop thousands of abandoned ships of this type that were simply abandoned by their crews after voyages from overseas.
I guess they can serve ports that don’t have facilities for container ships, so have an advantage there
Exactly, the idea is to start with niche specialty cargoes and ports and then expand their market. Other sailing cargo ventures have already shown economic feasibility of the strategy.
It makes more sense to confine this to small Pacific islands that only have intermittent services or small passages through reefs.
@@RichardCarter-yq2mw that’s actually a fantastic idea!
As the fuel cost to reach them is the main reason they don’t get regular service.
Rather than trying to shoehorn sail onto the big bois, Using this to fill gaps in our infrastructure seems like a better use of resources!
This could be of huge benefit to remote islanders.
yes, imagine unloading 1000 tons of cargo whitout proper heavy equipment.. 🙄
I love her! what a sane idea, use the wind to power a ship! Well done and God bless all who sail in her!
Ok she only small, but like the old saying goes “from small acorns grow mighty oaks” so I wish her all the best 👍
@@markthompson9914 it’s not a lack of refinement thing, it’s a square cubed law issue.
It would take so much sail to move even a 50,000 ton handysize bulker(the small end merchant ships), it just wouldn’t be feasible unfortunately.
@@markthompson9914 im not trying to spam you but I just went and did some math on it
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To power a 75,000ton tanker/bulker totally by sail reliably, it would take:
Metric: 50,000 square meters or 5.3 hectares of sail
Imperial: 570,487.25 ftsq or 13.1 acres of sail!!
I was not prepared for that number to be honest with you 😱
the oak would be the big container ships.
@@michaelkonieczny863 yea who cares about the square cube law
@@TheSpookiestgoose
OK u can’t sail rig a huge container ship, but u can add those sail tube things that cut done on fuel. Anything to keep the tree huggers happy 😂👍
I'd like to see these come to the Great Lakes for some small port tramp trade applications.
I think it is interesting. Think back centuries ago to the times when very large sailing cargo vessels were the normal for global trade. Remember that they didn't have engines to make docking simple. They had to sail to the dock and they would often have to anchor out for over a week waiting for a favorable wind direction that would allow them to dock. That all took a tremendous amount of skill from the captain and crew. Those were amazing times.
Amazing times for the people waiting onshore for the products rotting just out of reach. Amazing times for the crew living on shoe leather because their stores have run out. Amazing times indeed.
@@VanD-Dam You seem like a spoiled brat who lacks a proper sense of scale. Successful sea captains were the wealthiest people around and they took good care of their crew. Transoceanic cargo is not fresh produce.
@@VanD-Dam Did you even watch the video? The products that they are shipping is not perishable like that. And besides that, these days there are refrigerators. Plus the whole ship is automated and designed to go fast. They have modern navigation and radar. They can dock, load and unload quickly at all times. So what you are trying to imply is complete nonsense. You are trying to compare apples and pears.
@@VanD-Dam The ships captains of that era were the wealthiest people around and they took very good care of their crews. Nobody shipped fresh produce transoceanic in those days so you are very wrong.
Back in the day they would often just row the cargo to shore using the ship's boats since a lot of the products were perishable and they couldn't wait a week.
Sails for small vessels, nuclear for huge ones; no pollution produced by any of them whatsoever.
Ummmmm how would oil companies make ludicrous profit then? Think lol
Nuclear waste is not "pollution"?
Nuclear "waste" is far safer, smaller and properly handled than carbon emission; and can be actually reutilized.
@@TheGrenadier97 I don't buy that. I've never seen it "properly handled". They have all kinds of nuclear waste from the Manhattan Project still oozing out of the ground and groundwater in my area, and don't get me started on West Valley. I do like sailboats though. : )
The US Navy and nuclear plants do a job good enough. Besides, if you're so fearful of "waste" why are you still around one that's "oozing"?
I wonder how long it will take to offset the CO2 costs of building this ship.
Not sure but either way boat and ship fuel is notoriously dirty so it's already helping.
@@funnelvortex7722 That depends on the engines. Modern marine diesel fuel is available as ultra low sulfur fuel (
It won't. Regardless of using sail, it still has diesel generators, it needs all the equipment and facilities as a commercial cargo vessel. As it is small it will not have the economies of scale to make it efficient. As each vessel must have the same systems, it means more vessels and multiple units compared to a larger single vessel.
This is a marketing exercise. Doubtlessly aided by generous government subsidies, grants , carbon credits, tax rebates or exemptions in one form or another.
@@funnelvortex7722 Helping what? Stupidity?
Not long if they used recycled steel and plastics.
Interesting. Thank you.
I wouldn’t mind seeing it in person. Would be pretty cool
A nice token to Co2 savings. Meanwhile, Maersk has been running thousands of tonnes of cargo for over 10 years with wind assistance, using the much more efficient Flettner Rotors.
Rotors still require burning fuel to work.
@@funnelvortex7722 OR Electricity, generated by Solar. BUT, really, NO commercial ship goes to sea without a working engine of some sort. And if the propulsive force is so much more than the input power, its not a major downside.
Oh, and I bet these commercial sails ALSO require working engines, in the form of Hydraulic Controls, winches, and Rams. Not to mention the need for human intervention, even during rough conditions.
Both sails and rotors are valid solutions, but for different problems. Flettner rotors have the advantage of being relatively easy to use and to install on existing ships. They are therefore often considered as retrofit solutions for wind-assisted sailing, i.e. running the engine as usual, but using wind propulsion to reduce the engine power, saving of the order of 10%-15% on emissions. This is a great solution, especially since it can reduce the emissions of existing ships.
TOWT chooses a more radical approach, where they try to perform their crossings as much as possible with pure wind propulsion. This is more radical, thus less easy to attract investors, which is why the companies buying these ships often pick smaller vessels to get started (Anemos is about 80m if I remember right, the similar French Neoliner will be around 130m). I find it interesting that TOWT picked traditional white soft sails, which are cheap to manufacture, but require skill to operate.
We'll see how it works out. Anyway, there is no reason to start a fight between sails and Flettner rotors, we're currently in a stage where innovation is important, where many different types of problems need to be solved, and any idea is worth trying out.
@@Jeroen-pi7yp Its a nice sentiment, but the issue is more critical than some feel good, token effort using old technology.
The fuel used by freighters is a huge proportion of fossil usages, and the solutions ought to be able to be scaled up to cover the larger vessels, if we want to actually make a difference. Traditional sails cannot achieve that.
@@Jeroen-pi7ypthe amount of sail you would need to push a 50, 80, 100 thousand ton vessel at a walking pace would look like city skyline.
That besides, I want no part in hauling canvas so you gotta make them work with automation!
We don’t climb mizzen masts anymore, better up that hazard pay😂
I read about this being constructed about a year or so ago. Very cool. Thanks, Dawg.
Virtue signaling as a commodity. That's their real cargo.
Turn off FOX News.
I would turn it into a pure passenger sailing ship, I can assure you it would be full every trip. Make it a special luxury sailing ship! A sort of slow Concord of the seas!
There is no way this ship can compete with the large conventional cargo ships. It all comes down to how much it costs to carry a ton of cargo across the ocean. The big ships can carry the same cargo for a tenth of the cost per ton as that sailing ship can.
That is why the supersonic airliners failed. They cost several times as much for a ticket across the ocean as the wide-bodied airliners do.
Just think how congested the ports would be if all cargo was carried by these tiny ships.
There are still small ports that the big cargo ships can’t get into. They are normally used by local small container ships. The ports bulk carriers use were specially built to take them.
@@psibug565handysize vessels put in work 😤
They're not going to the big ports lol.
So it's back to 8 month journeys around the horn. Steam and diesel overtook sail for a good reason this will not make commercial sense.
They will still use the Panama and Suez canals.
Fossil fuels overtook sail because it was cheap at the time and no one was concerned about climate change and also everyone feared submarines after sailing ships got torpedoed in WW1. Different world today.
These ships are also faster/better than the old ones and some of these ventures are already profitable.
@@funnelvortex7722 another reason for the success of steam ships and other powered vessels was that they fared better in adverse weather conditions. Now with satellite weather readily available around the globe and skynet connectivity, a lot of the guesswork is taken out of sail and you can avoid a lot of detrimental storms. Also the large sailing luxury ships that the dutch have been producing use computerized roller furling sail plans which take a lot less crew and work than even the schooners did in the older age of sail. I was wondering if some of the lizard footed super yachts would lead to the speedier forms of ocean cargo, but it is a bit early to expect the designers to use the concepts yet. But computerized sail management is already a thing.
Don’t worry you would need winds like Neptune to get a capewise vessel under sail😂😂
@@christopherstube9473in certain parts of the ocean, storms are born there, a storm can grow from a slight breeze to a full gale, in the time it takes you to leave port and reach that spot.
Good heavens, why people are talking of this ship as if it's supposed to compete with every existing container barge and tanker in the world?
1000 tons?
I wonder who will pay the premium transport cost or will it be yet another token green carbon credits scam .
we will pay
As an engineer I can tell you it’s no scam.
Be great as an inter island vessel.
@@jerrypolverino6025 Yeah everyone calling this a scam doesn't know what they're talking about. Even when sailing a dinghy on my local lake I spend way less regularly than the guys on jet skis since there's no fuel burnt and less moving parts to break. Also it's not supposed to compete with container ships, it's in a different market. And other companies have already shown the sailing cargo business model is profitable, Grain De Sail made enough to launch their second ship.
Listen to the recording again. There is a market for the products the ship deliverers and people are willing to pay the price.
Sailors and liquor, what can go wrong?
1000 tons cargo. What gold bars?
Maybe including the ship it weights 1000tons
Good progress.
Just as you begin to turn a profit, you need a refit, rigging sails etc. I certainly dont think its that profitable, as a yachtsman I do love the concept though.
They are saying that they were using old sailing ships before. I suspect that they are specialists carrying very high value cargo. I still wonder how much maintenance would cost on a Schooner that size.
Still cheaper than burning all that fuel and engine maintenance.
@@funnelvortex7722 Modern sailing ships still have engines. So, now you have the cost of rigging and sails IN ADDITION to the costs associated with an engine. Saving on fuel costs? Yeah, but you end up spending the money you save elsewhere - which might be worth it, depending on your use case, but the idea that a sailboat is cheaper overall than a straight up motor vessel is not necessarily true.
Considering the P-liners of the F. Laeisz company could carry roughly quadruple that, are we really breaking that much new ground here?
One of these sail powered 'green' cargo boats turned up here a few years ago. ( Sydney N.S.) They were so 'green' that they only had hot water showers when they ran her engine while entering the port😅
You can get heating and internal power via solar and water drag generators. Also using the motor in and out of harbor is just safety and regulation, the motor isn't run during transit.
@@funnelvortex7722obviously not enough power, cause they don’t get hot showers underway.
Count me out, your gonna have to pay me a lot more than going rate to deal with that bs
1000 tons. Equivalent to cargo ships from the 1800’s. Wow, progress.
Part of the idea is to cut back on consumption and foreign manufacturing in conjunction with these.
No, FAR worse than ships from the 1800's. Those ships were hauling upwards of 10,000t by sail...
A niche ship. Hope she had trade routes planned before being built.
The company that commissioned her already has experience in this sort of thing.
@@funnelvortex7722 That's good to hear!
As if sailing trade routes were something new...
You misunderstood what I meant. It would do her no good to be built and then go "what should I do? Where should I go?" I'm saying that I'm hoping the owners had already contacted say ports A & B to check if he could use the ship there.
Bring back the flying Ps i volunteer
Very cool and smart.
SS ESG score. It looks awesome though
No mention of speeds and passage times?
@@jbj27406 no this is a fluff piece 😂
@@TheSpookiestgoose Yeah, looks like it. Puff up the message and intentionally "forget" any real world details.
Hey I know that voice is this Paul?. Did you start another channel? I subscribe.
Oh no you found me....lol
Welcome aboard.
@@Seadog-News Hey Paul i will have to start calling you sea dog now.
Folly.
The real folly was Trump's presidency.
I love Low-Tech
How many of these cargo ships would be needed to replace one modern container ship? Wht is the carbon footprint of building thousands of said small sailing cargo ships to one large ship? These questions need to bee asked to see if there is enough bang for the buck here. Can anybody tell us how much climate change will be reversed if some cargo is transported like this. Seems like a boutique business for rich people who want to virtue signal all they are doing to save th planet. The is not a realistic solution even if reducing CO2 is what needs to be done. I thought we were told that we were beyond the point of being able to do anything anyway. A
They're not competing with container ships, they specialize in high value low volume cargo.
@@funnelvortex7722 Such as?????
There is absolutely no way the carbon intensity calculations aren't using fudged numbers. No way, no how. They'll be excluding embodied carbon completely I'd guess, and only measuring direct emissions in transit.
The cost of fuel is typically only 45% of the operating costs of a container ship. Just that fact is completely dispositive of the "up to 99%" figure, because all the other costs have embodied carbon in them. Even propelling a sailing vessel incurs a carbon cost, sails and rigging don't magic out of thin air, and the price you pay for them represents a contribution to the energy mix of the supply chain which produced them. The ship itself has a finite useful life, so averaging that cost also needs to be factored in.
I would be extremely surprised if in a fair comparison sail cargo wasn't more carbon intensive than cargo carried on container ships. There's just far more critical stuff far more exposed to the elements.
In my opinion 99% less carbon from wind power vs oil tanker is way too conservative, the carbon savings are most likely higher than 1000%, probably more for the life of wind powered vessels.
45% is still a massive number
@@funnelvortex7722 Yes, factoring NOTHING else in, 45% is a big number.
Factoring in that a container ship can carry 6615% more than this, 45% starts to look very, very small.
Per ton, the crew requirements of a container ship are 5-7% that of this sailing cargo ship, assuming a tiny crew of 5. So 15-20x the manpower, across 66x the fleet, just to drive the same amount of cargo.
It's absurd.
You need one hundred of those ships to deliver the same cargo of a standard cargo hauler...🙄
Struggling to see this as a financial success.
You'd be surprised, a French company called Grain De Sail turned this sort of thing into a profitable enough venture that they were able to afford the construction and deployment of a second ship.
TOWT themselves have been operating successfully for years. The key to their success is to transport high-value food articles like chocolate, where 'transported by sail' on the label adds significant value. Their products can be found in supermarkets throughout the French west coast.
This kind of thinking is exactly why we are in this mess: profit over a livable planet.
@@Jeroen-pi7yp Chocolate is not a food. Its a non necessity for human life.
Lol, The very definition of everything old is new again.
Scamming people of $$$, is as old as time
@@w8strala fool and his money are duly parted
I love it.
So, news about sailing vessel without an image of the ship actually sailing under sail. Regardless, good news for the transport of low volume, high value, non time critical transport
Also no pics of the hatches , holds or deck gear.
They will succeed! I would buy something so transported. 🙂
Sounds like they already are a successful business, they apparently sailed old sailing ships before they built this new one of theirs and managed to turn a profit this whole time.
Hey , wait a minute. Av. cont weight 25t. x 4 =100t . So you saying this vessel can take 40 containers of freight. Yeah, Im not buying that.Thats a lot of handload /unload.
Oh I'm sure everyone is gonna line up to put cargo on board.
And never see it again .
Sort of like going from an Airbus A380 to a Douglas DC3. Why?
if only CO2 was a problem. but it isn't. we have a CO2 deficit. we are at all time lows.
They'll need to think in far greater terms than several thousand tons per Year but yes in commerce anything is possible tho seems crazy busy as a sailing ship to me and of course will need to be seen if working can be made much larger. Still for arriving in deep Inland ports upon in North America being small"ish" can have enormous advantages absolutely as might be able to deliver goods straight to a merchant onshore instead of having to rely on 3rd Parties for that absolutely. How far inland? Depending upon mast height #Chesapeake_Delaware_Canal is how far. Sail up one vast Region but then pick up cargo for any return voyage along another entirely different Region despite being parallel to one another.
They could go as far inland as Duluth, the canals around the Great Lakes are big enough for it and much of the St. Lawrence has enough room to run under sail. The Great Lakes have tons of small ports especially tourist towns that will buy the type of high value cargo these ships carry.
"Tres Hombres" are doing it for years already. Atlantic circle each year.
With crew that has to pay for the privilege.Its a rich mans excuse to go sailing with crew who pay for the berth onboard. Island hopping the Carribean for fun and calling it "Green"'
@@romandybala
Wel, it is a nice lifestyle anyway.🙂
P.S.
Tres Hombres doesn't have engine, it is green.
Let me guess carbon fibre sails that will be replaced regularly?
I have sailed on a commercial sailing vessel. The sails looked like traditional canvas, performed like traditional canvas but were actually made of a fabric made from recycled plastic.
going back in time for the eco lunatics
Trump is a felon.
Good one, go on.
This only could work for high value low value cargo.
That's literally their intended market.
@@funnelvortex7722 Pls name said cargo.
I predict it will be converted to a luxury yacht.
No, her structure and interior is not built to be able to be configured to a luxury boat, it'd be cheaper to build a yacht from scratch.
@@funnelvortex7722 never underestimate someone with more money than brains.
1000 tonnes? lol, lmao even. How many crew? No way this economically viable
How will their profit margins be compared to a standard bulk carer?
No idea, I would think the cost of shipping will be a lot more this way.
They're not competing with bulk carriers, they are cornering a different market that specializes in smaller volume cargoes.
This will fail . For reason that this died out.
They are a longstanding successful business.
@@funnelvortex7722 Ha ha ha. Nothing with sails on it that doesnt directly carry oligarchs can pay its way.
Only interesting for those sail premium project loads. Or want som publicity for ther products.
That's the ketch (LOL) . Jamaica Rum imported on a sailing ship . Aged in oak barrels while moved by the waves ....... for some this is worth the extra price.
It’s small about feeling good, not real science
Let me guess, you voted for Trump?
That's my blow boat.
The transport cost for premium French luxury goods is almost irrelevant. The profit margins are so high that they probably won't have to pass the cost on to their consumers. Their consumers are so wealthy that it wouldn't matter if they did.
@@nat9909 but you know they will anyways.
Because… reasons 😂
Walker Wing sails would have been a more efficient rig.
Wingsails are not mainstream for many very good reasons.
not the first, wich are Gain de Sail 1 and 2 : www.youtube.com/@graindesail2297. Yet Another french society launches a third system in the coming months
Good news indeed.😊
Although an interesting idea, being so dependent on niche shippers is a vulnerability that could easily be exploited by traditional shipping companies willing to offer significant lower rates, security, and transit speed.
@@Lee-ol8gj exactly why sail fell out of favor in the first place lol.
@@TheSpookiestgoose They can carry wool or wheat or guano . They are not time specific.
@@romandybala one place I see this as a viable option, is servicing remote islands, as the fuel cost vs the size of the shipments makes it difficult to service more than once a year or so, and very expensive for the islanders in the process.
I could see maybe a 3,500-4,000 gross registered ton vessels plying the trade winds to eastern isle and the like.
(If I had officer/mate rate I would definitely try to get on at least one voyage on it!)
I’m not against sail at all I think it’s a fantastic old skill, but I also know it has limitations. (It would take 5 hectares of sail to power a panamax class vessel totally by sail)
i think there are technologies out there that will fit the bill for big ships and things like that. (hydrogen fuel cell is one I’ve been exploring for a long time)
@@romandybala wait, what, who’s shipping poop?! 😂
Im sorry thus thing is a fucking eye sore and i bet anything the flying Ps could carry more and sail faster
A waste of money
Telling that to a company who's already made bank off this sort of thing.
@@funnelvortex7722 dude you’ve really got your knickers in a twist over this 😂, hfc is the way forward anyways 😂
Rich people... We need more of them.
That is a nothing cargo, not economically feasible. Oh, and completely not necessary.
but bill gates will love it
@@joeconnolly89 is it transporting genetically altered mosquitoes?
It's not competing with big container cargo, it's whole thing is targeting the high value low volume niche.
Ferrari’s are not an “economically feasible” form of transport either....but there are plenty of folks willing to pay for it.
Tell me you didn’t watch the whole video without telling me you didn’t watch the whole video. They’ve been doing it and just needed new and better ships. It must of been paying well because that is not a cheap boat they have bought. Your argument when taken to the roads would be “we don’t need vans because lorries exist”. We still have vans and we also still have small cargo vessels.
No one cares
Obviously the customers of their expanding business do.
It is interesting to look at the total shipping tonnage for the world and how this may have increased since the days when sail predominated. For the 1920s (long after the demise of sail) the global shipping figure is around 300 million tons. In 2021 this had risen to 1.95 Billion tons - a 6.5 fold increase. Like much else, we have rather painted ourselves into a corner on shipping thanks to population growth.
Actually i know it en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preussen_(ship)