The thing with WBW Anakin is that he can change from dark side to light side and vice versa. He's literally the manifestation of balance of the force. Therefore, he wins no matter what fight.
This exactly. This version of Anakin can switch his force alignment to whatever he chooses. So if his dark force energy is being countered by Mace then he can simply switch to his light force and vice versa which I think have no down time meaning he can switch his force alignment in an instant.
I think it all depends on what Anakin is capable of at full power. If he truly is 200% of Sidious, just imagine the raw power & destruction he could have in his hands.
@@AlexJones-ex8ox mine too ! At full power he’s basically a god. Maybe him being the new “father” is him being at full potential. ( if he truly is the new Father )
in Legends FP Anakin is twice the Ones, who are slightly above the mother abeloth Luke 41 years after a new hope, believed that Abeloth's force prowess was a dozen his own. Luke at this point was not at his full potential, because he and leia possess a similar potential to their father Luke at this point was twice the emperor, no question. so Full potential Anakin> Full potential luke > 2x > The ones> Abeloth > 12x > Luke Skywalker in his prime> 2x > DE palpatine so anakin at his full potential was at the very least 48x palpatine
Anakin at full potential of his power would’ve literally been a living god. Remember in the mortis ark he only got a little taste his power by being poked and prodded by the father and within that little taste, he subdued the living embodiments of the light and dark side of the force at the same time. There is no debate.
Then the fight between them should be on mortis, he wouldn't have those powers in any other location. But if we were to continue with conjecture, i am certain Yoda could have controlled them as well.
@@silversurfer8818 i disagree. The mortis realm merely gave him a glimpse of his full potential. Remember he was born from the force. Think of it like this, if a bodybuilder injects some big new steroid, it will make him stronger in a shorter period of time. But if he took the usual steroids he did before the new steroid, he’ll get to the strength level he was with the new drug, but it’ll just take longer to get there with the average steroid.
@@FreeJalen Luke having the same potential as Anakin is debatable now. Since Dave Filoni is diving deeper into Anakins mortis chosen one ark. But if Dave Filoni makes Luke as powerful as he is in legends it would be super close.
@@silversurfer8818The father literally said only the chosen one would be able to subdue his children so no yoda wouldn’t be able to, only luke or leia would’ve been able to other than anakin since Lucas said they had the same potential
@@fancytracy I always just assumed that the force was at its strongest on Mortis, and not that the planet allowed Anakin to reach full potential because of the vast amount of the force present on it.
My interpretation of WBW Anakin is he has the discipline and knowledge to switch between light and dark at a moment's notice and if that's the case I imagine he could go from throwing an unimaginable amount of darkness at Windu and then just go to pure light and the shock of that would throw Windu off
I get that what I'm about to suggest will be a little controversial, but if you really want Anakin Prime, we have to be talking about who taught Ahsoka in the World Between Worlds. Master Skywalker! And it's my firm belief that all four them would instantly realise that who they were up against was someone they couldn't defeat and really shouldn't try. The Anakin that fought Ahsoka was not forcing battle, but he was controlling it flawlessly. If he had chosen to fight at the potential he now possessed, Ahsoka would be dead in seconds. I watched how he manipulated her using her own strikes and blocks. It was a thing of beauty!
Wish we could’ve seen some great scenes of Anakin fighting multiple Jedi at once when he attacked the Jedi temple, just watching him Tap into the dark side and just annihilate everyone
We were supposed to see Anakin Vs. Cin Drallig & his Padawans in episode 3, and the scene was filmed, but it was cut. A version of the battle is a main story boss level in the episode 3 game though, and it’s great. Edit: There is also an entire Jedi Temple attack level where you play as Anakin and fight the Jedi. It’s the level right before the Cin Drallig boss battle.
In the hologram you can see Anakin holding Drallig by the throat and casually defending against a couple of jedi literally single handedly, Anakin in his prime would be devastating!
From what I remember of the book Shatterpoint, Vaapad is an answer to Mace's own darkness. Not as much reflecting the opponent's darkness. And that's why Mace always had to control Vaapad and be careful with it so he doesn't fall over the edge completely into his darkness. So in that case, I would think if Anakin managed to push Mace just a little bit too far he would have the fight because Mace would be either trying to pull himself back and take concentration away from the fight, or just not be powerful enough in the dark side anyway to beat a full potential Anakin whether he is dark side or not.
Yes and no. It channels his inner darkness, yes, but it ALSO channels the darkness of his opponent back at them. It's a reverse uno card for Sith... Though yes, Mace v. Anakin likely would cause Mace to fall to the dark side, but we don't care about that in the context of who wins a fight. Ultimately, no matter your argument, Anakin can't handle 4 on 1, and based on feats, he loses or lost to each individually, even if he could have theoretically been more powerful given time. Luke alone scales almost as well as he does.
@@davidtucker9498dumbest thing comment I’ve read thus far😭😂😂😂😂 Mace is not beating Anakin nor is Luke even if you consider GM Luke. Anakin is the chosen one Lucas statements on like having the same potential are retconned.
@@eynjay8046i agree and diasagree. Mace is the only one that could hold his own against a dark side Anakin... But i still dont think he would beat Anakin. I think mace would fall to the Dark side in that battle and negate his form 5
No he's Overrated people take inherited Potential as in they have all of his Potential which is directly contradicted by the Crucible Novel Anakin's Connection/Potential to the Cosmic Force is Significantly Stronger
@@ryanbaker5296 Lucas did say it he said it in a rolling stones interview and the making of return of the jedi book. And also hinted at it in the empire strikes back commentary
But Mace beat Palpatine. If he didn't pause and didn't pull his lightsaber all the way up, but just pushed it though his heart he would have won. And Yoda didn't really lose to Palpatine. He pushed back his lightning and they both fell. Yoda just fell farther down and lost his saber. But power against power it was a tie.
I thought about that, too, Mace beating Palpatine. But in the larger scheme of things, did he really beat him? I mean, that also could have been Palpatine letting Mace gain the upper hand so he could continue manipulating Anakin into believing he was in immediate danger of being killed....enough for Anakin to take action against Mace in his desperation to save Padme.
@@Chinachik Lucas literally said Mace beat Palpatine ....... Stop ..... It's wild how people believe that Mace only has vaapod and shatterpoints, When to even study Juyo you have to MASTER ALL of the prior six forms and be Approved by Yoda to study the 7th, y'all seemed to forget that Mace was a "One Man Army" the Clone War scene where Mace versus thousands of the droids without a lightsaber just "Jedi force kung fu" and the fact that General Grievous breathes the way he does because he got force crushed by Mace ........ There's a reason why Mace was the Jedi's Champion and why he was the only Jedi allowed to walk the line between the dark and the light ........ WBW's Anakin is literally Mace Windu with a deeper force well and no Vaap or SP
@@SciCombat Yes, Mace beat Palpatine, but it’s not ridiculous to believe that the most powerful dark side user in the galaxy ALLOWED that to happen at precisely the right moment for Anakin to come and stop him. That’s what I believe happened and you can continue believing things your way. It’s all good and not a big deal. 👍
So Matthew says, that Mace woulda been overwhelmed by Anakins attacks. Holy shit, that there just shows you how skilled Obi-Wan was. Solidified by the fact that mace windu recognized him as the best defensive duelist.
The fact that theory has interviews with nick gillard and mathew stover and both say anakin over mace and both have spoken to George Lucas . And still tries to argue mace over anakin in any capacity is crazy
@@VladStopTalking true it’s not end all be all but the two people outside George himself who talked with George before on this topic atleast as fast rots is concerned it’s less of a debate in my opinion . the only thing better is if George himself confirmed who would win . With wbw anakin being a foregone conclusion especially if wbw anakin is close if not at his full potential. In which case he doesn’t even need his lightsaber
But if Palpatine was able to decipher Mace's shatterpoint, couldn't a dark version of Anakin take that same.abilty and information and get an arguably better edge than Palpatine? Because if Mace is edging the dark side himself, that leaves him with more of a clear shatterpoint than if he didn't.
@@akshaysundaram7391if anakin is at his full potentail with all abilities learned by default then he can easily take down mace by just reversing shatterpoint back to him after all its an un reverse ability at its core so anakin would be stronger at full potential
@@TheJoseGarcia325That giving A LOT of assumptions to Anakin... But even so, he has THREE other Jedi master, 2 of them stronger than Mace, to deal with... He's cooked.
@@davidtucker9498 u must really be dumb anakin IS the chosen one hes the only one no other master no matter the experience or force power would be able to stop him at a full potential even lucas himself said anakin is untouchable power and skill wise 🤦🏾🤦🏾 how are u gonna argue something against what was already confirmed by the creator himself 🤦🏾🤦🏾
Anakin between worlds is basically a god. Its his full potencial as the chosen one. He might have his abilities as the chosen one combined with the power of the mortis god
Regarding Vapaad, yes, its a dark side loop, but I think your buddy Pablo said back in 2005 that according to GL, that loop CAN be overtaxed to where Mace loses, especially if its a competent darksider who can then re-up all that dark side force power being sent back to them. If anyone could do it, it'd be the Chosen One.
Obi-Wan's like: "I beat Anakin twice and I had to throw my final fight with him so that he didn't cry! Yet everyone still says Anakin beats me. This is absurd."
I know you aren't counting the trash fight from Obi-Wan like that should've been realistic (for the Star Wars universe) at all. Obi-Wan won that fight entirely based off of plot. Doesn't make sense if you look at everything Vader was capable of and then he loses to an old Jedi Master who barely reconnected in the force and did no type of training after 10 years.... That fight is utter bs and fan service
Would’ve loved to see anakin use force lightning in the ahsoka series since he had all his limbs and his force power weren’t cut in half as he wasn’t in the suit keeping him from using force lightning would’ve been crazy if they did something like that💯
I'd say that anakin can beat every single on of them even with him in dark side mode, this is anakin at his full potential and he has more experience and has all the memory when he was darth vader. I get what you were saying about mace's lightsaber form, but this is anakin that is more powerful than ever, he knows every single form and how to counter it. (This is just my opinion)
Yeah, I'm gonna have to watch that series. From the way you're describing it, it seems like you did some really deep analysis to figure out who would win. That's right up my ally, so it sounds like a must-watch.
Anakin was considered one of the greatest duellists of his time beating Dooku also in AOTC Obi wan said if he trained more he would already be on the level of Yoda Anakin trained for 13 years as a jedi and 23 years as a sith also guess what when you die in star wars and become one with the force you get stronger and Anakin being the chosen one gets a lot stronger because the force created him and he has now become the balance in the force and can wield both the light and the dark side also he has access to the WBW he can see the past and future and learn anything he wants also DD Vader what is basically FP dark side killed the entire jedi council and WBW Anakin is FP light and FP dark
If mustufar ANAKIN can’t beat yoda or obi wan or siddious, he isn’t beating mace whom had siddious beggin for his life Now if it’s full potential ANAKIN, he’s obviously wiping the floor with yoda Obi wan Luke and mace and siddious simultaneously. Prime Luke being the closest to him and yet still so far away
3:23 this is one part of the video that I severely disagree with, it’s been stated multiple times in guidebooks that Vader in RoTJ was is the strongest he has ever been, putting him past any version of Anakin, and even though he did hold back against Luke, their fight is still applicable in this situation since Obi-Wan and Yoda were confident enough in his capabilities to the point where he would be able to go one on one with Vader, meaning that he still had a high chance, considering that two of some of the most powerful Jedi Masters of all time think so, and it’s not like they knew Vader would be conflicted during their fight.
Do you even know how powerful FP Anakin is? Take a look at his feats in the Dark Dimension and on Mortis. He singlehandedly defeated the entire council (including Mace & Yoda) as DD Vader (which is basically Dark side FP Anakin) And on Mortis, he made two celestials *KNEEL* before him.
I always enjoy these vids, WBW Anakin stomps this. I don’t see it so much as Anakin picking which side of the Force he’d tap into but he’d flow through them, changing on the fly like a Battlemaster would change lightsaber forms not even mid-fight but even transitioning mid-sequence. Actually I wonder what that would do to Vaapad if Anakin swapped sides in a sequence like Light/Dark/Light/Dark if it would force Mace to be shifting gears and if that would mess with him 🤔
I think that the use of WBW anakin would best all of them if he were to switch back and forth from dark to light at will or even use both light and dark abilities together I think they would all have a great but very difficult battle against WBW Ani You can’t just say oh hell loose against mace cause he’s only be using the dark side I think That anakin would know how to rectify any situation instantly either by sheer power and force or straight up talking someone down Let’s remember that he this isn’t the ani from ep3 this is a whole different ANAKIN LORD ANAKIN? MASTER ANAKIN?
WBW Anakin is the culmination of his life being split literally in half. Half in light half in dark. He’s mastered both sides and he still has all his memories and lessons learned. So he knows about Vapaad and with his mastery of the force and the Darkside as powerful as he is now. WBW anakin should be able to just cancel whatever anybody tries on him
All I see is Mace trying to use Vaapad to find Anakins weakness (who is at true balance between light&dark) then Anakin just breaks through the shatterpoint and says “there is no weakness”
Actually the ROTS Novel makes it clear MFV was his Potential Bubbling out he essentially was at Full Potential by the End of Operation KnightFall(KFV) but he struggles to Access it vs Kenobi because of his Mental State
I would say about wbw Anakin he would have some new force abilities that they hadn't seen, such as force masking ( hiding your force presence completely) also force illusion ( makes another version of himself / clone) to fight this battle also he could in a sense throw of certain abilities and distort the dark side around him or others making them get confused and have to rely in his abilities, or he would or he gave force dampening - slowing down since one else force abilities so much that there force abilities will become useless and have to rely on themselves. That's what I'm thinking he may also have access to other abilities both light and dark side that neither of them have ever encountered nor seen
I love to hear a fan fiction after mace windu after he falls out the window and lands in the underworld, battered and broken, missing an arm. Would that make him stronger than Vader after the suit upgrade? Mace would have that darkside energy from revenge from Anakin/Vader for the downfall of the republic and Jedi order and simply revenge just for taking his arm
I should point out, Vaapad only redirects dark side energy in Legends. In canon it’s just a variant of Juyo that channels inner darkness instead of rage and hate, and that’s it.
Full potential Anakin with the WBW levels, i mean… that is unfair, he could literally destroy all 4 at the same time with some crazy force shit instead of dueling with lightsaber 💀
if Obi Wan's words are true for everyone, that after death they'll become more powerful than ever imaginable, it should apply for Anakin as well right if the power level while being alive affects the afterworld power, imagine Anakin's 2xPalpatine power while he was alive, getting recalculated for the same, that'd be crazy asf
Actually Alive Anakin should have more Potential theoretically as he would eventually reach his Max Living and Cosmic Force instead of just the Living Force
Do more fantasy battles! They are fun to speculate and debate about. I wanna see PLO Koon and Kit Fisto thrown into more as well. And definitely do some older sith and Jedi too like old republic and high republic times too. The potential is limitless and gives us so much content to cover! Thanks Theory! Keep up the good work!
the flaw with this speculation about mace having some sort of a chance is the assumption that world between worlds anakin would only use the dark side , but anakin is clearly perfectly balanced and in control and can combine or switch between light and the dark at will in ahsoka episode 5 , mace windu would be doomed , anakin would just ragdoll and destroy everyone . not to mention hax like reality warping or jumping in timelines at will . not even abeloth stands a chance against the full potential anakin .
How is this even a debate? 4 of the most powerful Jedi ever vs 1 of the most powerful Jedi ever. The short answer- Luke, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Mace win with a bit of difficulty. The long answer- Luke is every bit as powerful as Anakin so that fight alone would be a draw or 50/50. Neither of them have any particular counters to eachother but both Skywalkers are equally matched with just as many advantages and disadvantages. Obi-Wan knows Anakin's weaknessess and has the most experience against him. He's fought him multiple times and won with him willingly losing in their final duel. Also, Kenobi's Soresu counters Skywalker's Ataru. Yoda is the oldest, fastest, has the most knowledge, and has the most overall experience. He's also the third most powerful one here with him being able to draw with Darth Sidious. Mace uses Vapaad which counters all of Anakin's Darkside abilities. Anakin dabbled in the darkside and was nearly completely consumed by it. He uses the darkside a lot an Windu completely counters all of it. He beat Sidious with this method despite not being as powerful as Yoda and Sidious who's fight was a stalemate. This is a mismatch. Assuming all 5 of them are at full potential, In a 1v1 against each if them, he'd beat all except Luke with that fight being a strong 50/50 but against all of them, Luke, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Mace win with moderate difficulty.
The interesting thing about world between worlds Anakin is that it seems like he can flip back and forth between his light and dark side powers, allowing him to draw from whatever side of the force gives him an advantage over his opponent and his potential with either side of the force just overwhelms whoever he is fighting
You would have to be the biggest Anakin fanboy ever to think this is actually fair for him. ESPECIALLY when Lucas confirmed that Luke and Anakin have the same potential and that Luke became what Anakin could not. Grandmaster Luke alone would win because they would have equal raw force power but Grandmaster Luke has more knowledge in the force and is the greatest lightsaber duelist of all time by this point. Adding the others in is extreme overkill.
Lucas never said they have the same potential people say it but it is not true he only ever said Luke would become stronger than Vader not Anakin . Anakin was also considered one of the greatest duellists of his time beating Dooku also in AOTC Obi wan said if he trained more he would already be on the level of Yoda you say Luke has more experience and knowledge that makes no sense Anakin trained for 13 years as a jedi and 23 years as a sith also guess what when you die in star wars and become one with the force you get stronger and Anakin being the chosen one gets a lot stronger because the force created him and he has now become the balance in the force and can wield both the light and the dark side also he has access to the WBW he can see the past and future and learn anything he wants also DD Vader what is basically FP dark side killed the entire jedi council and WBW Anakin is FP light and FP dark
Recent Sources literally say IH Anakin is the Best of the Jedi Council, the Strongest Jedi of All Time and above Prime Luke and this is Pre Prime Anakin Luke gets clapped and GL never said they had the same Potential he said he inherited his Potential but if you take Look at the EU Luke's Cosmic Force Potential is Lower then Anakin's because he cannot use The Mortis Nexus by himself
George Lucas, the official fact man, said that Luke/ Leia had the same potential as Anakin......He also said that Luke was the most powerful Jedi of all time.....End of story
George Lucas is indecisive on his facts. He can’t decide whether Luke and Vader are equal with no amps or Vader is stronger. So his information isn’t really valid and sadly wouldn’t be since the fact that his own movies say otherwise, Like Palps vs Windu, he says it was fair and that there was no holding back on any one’s part, but the movie directly contradicts him by showing a scene where Sidious points his blade in front of his chest and just decides not to kill him, and the literal fight maker of the scene said that he threw the fight so I would take visual evidence and the person who created the fight scenes + context over what he says
@@myoukamisura8280 why do I mention George? Because sometimes anything that comes after either stay consistent or there is nothing that comes after what he said by Disney. Literally nothing. His word matters as long as it’s consistent or if there’s nothing to disprove it or say it’s outdated.
@@myoukamisura8280 he’ll either say something, and have it be directly contradicted, or he’ll say something that has nothing that disproves it or say it’s outdated
@@myoukamisura8280 now, if there is nothing to contradict those statements, and there’s evidence to prove it, then it’s valid, if that isn’t the case… well you know.
Anakin VS Yoda. At his age, Yoda wouldn't be able to go for a long duel like Anakin and Obi-Wan did. Anakin would know or realize this and take his time and let Yoda gas himself out. Anakin VS Windu. Dooku was apparently the greatest duelist the Jedi order has ever seen and Anakin/Dooku 2 ended rather abruptly. We can speculate that Palpatine was interfering during that duel for the sake of getting Anakin in his service. I see Anakin and Windu fighting for a long long time, but I see Anakin's youth and strength in the Force winning it. Anakin VS Luke. Luke didn't get the same training as his father, nor does he have the same rage driving him. Luke defeated Vader, but Vader was like 60% of Anakin's strengths and powers. Anakin would break Luke down similarly to the way Vader did in ESB. Anakin VS Obi-Wan. Get a comfy chair and a bucket of popcorn, we'll be here for a while. Anakin would eventually find that tiny crack in Obi-Wan's amazing defenses and plow through.
This is the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen 😂😂 Your telling me… one of the most powerful Jedi, yoda, is going to get tired fighting anakin? And anakin is just gonna back away like some battlefront 2 duel? He has an aggressive style he’s going to go for yoda. Yoda is gonna take him out quickly.
I'd love to get your thoughts on this. Since Ahsoka has effectively, presumably been taken out of the Thawn fight - this puts Luke in the role he was in, in the books to fight Thrawn. This brings me to my question, Abeloth, if Dave is really cooking Abeloth up. Perhaps Abeloth is the real big bad after Thrawn years into the future, say, of the time of the new Jedi order. Would it be CRAZY to bring Anakin back (not necessarily to the living realm) but bringing him to actually fight nonetheless. Since we're starting to delve into the magicks of Star Wars and the mysticism could we see Ahsoka, Ezra, Cal etc what have you fighting alongside Luke and even Anakin to combat such an evil entity. You could even include the Force dyad (because this would presumably keep everyone happy)
World between worlds Anakin will stomp everyone all at once. He can swap between dark and light side. He can take out everyone keeping Yoda for last. Dark side transformers to increase his speed and strength just toy with Yoda until he just wants to blow him away with the force.
Yep hes practically God tier level with the force and i love mace windu hes my fave jedi but even i know using star wars logic he would get his ass whooped easily without trying ahsoka had a hard time and anakin waant really trying to kill her just motivate her to live and survive idk why even the biggest star wars fans still debate til this day if anakin at full potential would still lose against other jedi/sith wbw anakin is literally the spiritual version of full potential anakin 🤦🏾🤦🏾
if you actually know the canon and legends luke is more than enough. idk how many times george lucas has to say they both have the same potential for you to realise the chosen one isnt a title on strength but a prophetic role for anakin to fill. Subduing the son and daughter wasnt because of his strength it was because it was the chosen ones role to do so.
Couldnt have been said better. Anikantards always overhype his strength compared to Luke When Prime Anikan is a Sequels Trilogy Luke Victim, Mando Luke victim, BOBF Luke victim, and Legends Luke victim. As far as Anikan in the world between worlds he should be equal to Legends Luke, Canon Sequels Trilogy Luke, and Sequels Trilogy Force Ghost Luke.
Sigh someone didn't read Crucible GM Luke is Sub S3 Mortis Anakin who is Sub Vjun Anakin who is Sub ROTS Anakin they only have the same Living Force Potential not Cosmic Force Potential
Here's what we have to question. Was GM luke most powerful at the time we are measuring from? GM Yoda at clone wars era wasn't prime Yoda. Listen, I write graphic novels myself, and believe me, there Are characters that I wish I could say are more powerful than others (even the protagonist) but I can't and I've been trying to find plots that can make it happen, some for 30 decades now but the characters are ultimately just what they are 🤷. Also many forget that Luke was not whole either. They cite Anakin's disadvantages with cybernetics etc, but there have been examples where Luke's cybernetics have held him at a disadvantage as well, albeit, not to the same level of course Apropos, I'll leave this here "George Lucas was pressed on this in an interview and his official answer was that Luke was the full realization of Anakin Skywalker’s potential. He managed to inherit all the force abilities from his father’s side and since he missed out on a physically and psychologically debilitating injury he managed to become as strong as Anakin would have been had he not been hurt himself. In symbolic terms he is the living redemption of the chosen one. So the correct answer is they are equal strength, the son succeeding where his father failed."
Does one really require any movement in the body to move an object with the force? If anakin doesn’t need his hands or legs he could probably pop their heads like Wanda at his peak
Very interesting, but my big take away is seeing proper authorities confirming Anakin would smoke Mace 😂 love it, I don't think Windu beats Anakin in any scenario, even dark side, he couldn't even see Anakin was engulfed in dark side energy about to strike him to save Palpatine, so his magical form he came up with ain't that useful. The movies are the proper source to take for this sort of thing, the rest is supplementary material It looks like Obi Wan really did get lucky, though it doesn't really come across in the movie
that would be arguing mace could beat both of them but thats not the majority argument, palpatine was still more dangerous and powerful than anakin, this is like saying “palpatine couldn’t sense vaders light side” when vader betrayed him and coming to the conclusion that because of that palpatine loses to vader
Mace Smokes Anakin at any point in his actual life, but THEORETICALLY, Anakin at full power could defeat Mace. If that was a one on one, not a one on FOUR, I'd give it to Anakin.
THEORY you should do Ezra vs Cal. I think the " lower tier " Jedi battles would be more interesting. We could learn a little more about them and I feel the match ups would be less about power levels and more about other attributes.
I don't think Mace Windu is ever beating 100% Anakin regardless of Vapaad. If Mace tried to absorb that much of the dark side to reflect back at Anakin, he would just blow up like an overinflated balloon lol
I absolutely love the mace windu respect man he is one of my favorite characters and I just wish we could have seen more of him. I definitely think he is one of the most powerful characters in Star Wars he has always been underrated thank you for showing him love man this was amazing
Obi-Wan always beats Anakin. Legends fans like blowing everything out of proportion and power scaling to ridiculous amounts, but canonically all the BS Palpatine and Nihilus and Vitiate did don't exist, so "full potential Anakin" isn't gonna be doing anything too ridiculous.
Blud if you think Kenobi beating an Confused, Conflicted, Gulity, Arrogant and Mentally Shattered Anakin is indicative of what would have Happend in both their Primes/Peak States your Delusional
Everyone is only focusing on vapaad for mace when his real power would be shatterpoint. The force tells him exactly what he has to do to win in any situation. Whether it’s a duel, a fist fight, a physical object, a conversation, or a dilemma, the force says do this at this point to fulfill your objective. Windu beat sidious due to shatterpoint, not vapaad.
At this point Anakin doesn’t even need to use a lightsaber to kill them man, let’s be real, 200% of Sidious power he could literally kill them on the spot with the force.
Anakin by EP 3 would’ve obliterated the entire council even Yoda lol. Once he began to use the DS and became KFV he was the most powerful being in the galaxy even surpassing Sidious. Read the ROTS novelization and he has the feats and statements to back the claims up.
If we're scaling Anakin to Max power then it only makes sense to scale Luke at Max power as well, since we're all under the understanding that Legends Luke is full Power Anakin Skywalker since his children have his latent potential. During battles Anakin was a hot head, which is why I still say that Luke would clap him in a battle.
I believe that the anakin we saw in ashoka show , was the new father , if that is the case then the fight is over in 3 seconds , Anakin was able to shutdown the powers of the son and the daughter at Mortis, in order to pass the test , at that point he didn't control his full powers , I can see Anakin doing the same with his full potential , meaning turning off the force on them by disconnect them from the force , Yoda , Obi wan , Luke and Mace , at the same time , then it will be like playing with younglins
The thing with WBW Anakin is that he can change from dark side to light side and vice versa. He's literally the manifestation of balance of the force. Therefore, he wins no matter what fight.
He can't even beat Ahsoka lmao. Obi-Wan would probably beat him with one hand.
This exactly. This version of Anakin can switch his force alignment to whatever he chooses. So if his dark force energy is being countered by Mace then he can simply switch to his light force and vice versa which I think have no down time meaning he can switch his force alignment in an instant.
@@Mysterion_KMhe wasn’t trying to beat Ahsoka. Did we watch the same show?? 😂 he was just testing/training her man.
@@Mysterion_KMhe was testing ahsoka why would he go all out while testing ahsoka
he let Ashoka beat him didn’t you think that ?
I think it all depends on what Anakin is capable of at full power.
If he truly is 200% of Sidious, just imagine the raw power & destruction he could have in his hands.
Hes the chosen one at full
Potential no one could defeat him at least that was always my interpretation
same, hhe is the chosen one, anakin in his prime full potential beats anyone @@AlexJones-ex8ox
@@AlexJones-ex8ox mine too ! At full power he’s basically a god. Maybe him being the new “father” is him being at full potential. ( if he truly is the new Father )
in Legends
FP Anakin is twice the Ones, who are slightly above the mother abeloth
Luke 41 years after a new hope, believed that Abeloth's force prowess was a dozen his own.
Luke at this point was not at his full potential, because he and leia possess a similar potential to their father
Luke at this point was twice the emperor, no question.
so Full potential Anakin> Full potential luke > 2x > The ones> Abeloth > 12x > Luke Skywalker in his prime> 2x > DE palpatine
so anakin at his full potential was at the very least 48x palpatine
Abeloth was 12X stronger in the then Luke in Legends.
Now for Anakin that's hard to think about we don't really know unless you really get into it.
Anakin at full potential of his power would’ve literally been a living god. Remember in the mortis ark he only got a little taste his power by being poked and prodded by the father and within that little taste, he subdued the living embodiments of the light and dark side of the force at the same time. There is no debate.
Then the fight between them should be on mortis, he wouldn't have those powers in any other location. But if we were to continue with conjecture, i am certain Yoda could have controlled them as well.
Right and Luke has the same potential as full power anakin. On top of yoda and mace windu anakin loses
@@silversurfer8818 i disagree. The mortis realm merely gave him a glimpse of his full potential. Remember he was born from the force. Think of it like this, if a bodybuilder injects some big new steroid, it will make him stronger in a shorter period of time. But if he took the usual steroids he did before the new steroid, he’ll get to the strength level he was with the new drug, but it’ll just take longer to get there with the average steroid.
@@FreeJalen Luke having the same potential as Anakin is debatable now. Since Dave Filoni is diving deeper into Anakins mortis chosen one ark. But if Dave Filoni makes Luke as powerful as he is in legends it would be super close.
@@silversurfer8818The father literally said only the chosen one would be able to subdue his children so no yoda wouldn’t be able to, only luke or leia would’ve been able to other than anakin since Lucas said they had the same potential
Anakin at full potential? When he was nowhere near full potential, Anakin tamed The Son and The Daughter. It’s clear who would win.
Not true, when he tamed the gods he was temporarily at his full potential because of the planet Mortis which was a force nexus
@@fancytracy Anakin would bring MORTIS to anyone only in side Mortis the planet I don't know if outside it
@@fancytracy I always just assumed that the force was at its strongest on Mortis, and not that the planet allowed Anakin to reach full potential because of the vast amount of the force present on it.
@@fancytracyHe wasn’t a full potential either on mortis his powers were just boosted by the planet
Bro MIGHT hav been kinda buffed “the planet is the force anakin use it”
My interpretation of WBW Anakin is he has the discipline and knowledge to switch between light and dark at a moment's notice and if that's the case I imagine he could go from throwing an unimaginable amount of darkness at Windu and then just go to pure light and the shock of that would throw Windu off
I get that what I'm about to suggest will be a little controversial, but if you really want Anakin Prime, we have to be talking about who taught Ahsoka in the World Between Worlds.
Master Skywalker!
And it's my firm belief that all four them would instantly realise that who they were up against was someone they couldn't defeat and really shouldn't try.
The Anakin that fought Ahsoka was not forcing battle, but he was controlling it flawlessly.
If he had chosen to fight at the potential he now possessed, Ahsoka would be dead in seconds. I watched how he manipulated her using her own strikes and blocks.
It was a thing of beauty!
Why is it that whenever someone loses, everyone thinks they did it purposely - when there are no evidence for it?
That's just the truth
@@ObnoxiousGhast Thank you.
Wish we could’ve seen some great scenes of Anakin fighting multiple Jedi at once when he attacked the Jedi temple, just watching him
Tap into the dark side and just annihilate everyone
We were supposed to see Anakin Vs. Cin Drallig & his Padawans in episode 3, and the scene was filmed, but it was cut. A version of the battle is a main story boss level in the episode 3 game though, and it’s great.
Edit: There is also an entire Jedi Temple attack level where you play as Anakin and fight the Jedi. It’s the level right before the Cin Drallig boss battle.
In the hologram you can see Anakin holding Drallig by the throat and casually defending against a couple of jedi literally single handedly, Anakin in his prime would be devastating!
@@shannoncurry2037 He isn’t holding Cin in the hologram. He’s holding a female padawan whilst duelling him.
I imagine Grandmaster Luke from Legends would at least put up a good fight! He was an absolute beast in the force by the end.
From what I remember of the book Shatterpoint, Vaapad is an answer to Mace's own darkness. Not as much reflecting the opponent's darkness. And that's why Mace always had to control Vaapad and be careful with it so he doesn't fall over the edge completely into his darkness. So in that case, I would think if Anakin managed to push Mace just a little bit too far he would have the fight because Mace would be either trying to pull himself back and take concentration away from the fight, or just not be powerful enough in the dark side anyway to beat a full potential Anakin whether he is dark side or not.
Yes and no. It channels his inner darkness, yes, but it ALSO channels the darkness of his opponent back at them.
It's a reverse uno card for Sith... Though yes, Mace v. Anakin likely would cause Mace to fall to the dark side, but we don't care about that in the context of who wins a fight.
Ultimately, no matter your argument, Anakin can't handle 4 on 1, and based on feats, he loses or lost to each individually, even if he could have theoretically been more powerful given time. Luke alone scales almost as well as he does.
@@davidtucker9498dumbest thing comment I’ve read thus far😭😂😂😂😂 Mace is not beating Anakin nor is Luke even if you consider GM Luke. Anakin is the chosen one Lucas statements on like having the same potential are retconned.
@@eynjay8046i agree and diasagree. Mace is the only one that could hold his own against a dark side Anakin... But i still dont think he would beat Anakin. I think mace would fall to the Dark side in that battle and negate his form 5
I feel like luke gets underrated so much
He literally has the same potential as full power anakin
@@FreeJalen That has never been confirmed and Lucas has never said that, people just like to say it
In my mind full power Luke is only #2 to Anakin.
No he's Overrated people take inherited Potential as in they have all of his Potential which is directly contradicted by the Crucible Novel Anakin's Connection/Potential to the Cosmic Force is Significantly Stronger
@@ryanbaker5296 Lucas did say it he said it in a rolling stones interview and the making of return of the jedi book. And also hinted at it in the empire strikes back commentary
But Mace beat Palpatine. If he didn't pause and didn't pull his lightsaber all the way up, but just pushed it though his heart he would have won. And Yoda didn't really lose to Palpatine. He pushed back his lightning and they both fell. Yoda just fell farther down and lost his saber. But power against power it was a tie.
I thought about that, too, Mace beating Palpatine. But in the larger scheme of things, did he really beat him? I mean, that also could have been Palpatine letting Mace gain the upper hand so he could continue manipulating Anakin into believing he was in immediate danger of being killed....enough for Anakin to take action against Mace in his desperation to save Padme.
@@Chinachik Lucas literally said Mace beat Palpatine ....... Stop ..... It's wild how people believe that Mace only has vaapod and shatterpoints, When to even study Juyo you have to MASTER ALL of the prior six forms and be Approved by Yoda to study the 7th, y'all seemed to forget that Mace was a "One Man Army" the Clone War scene where Mace versus thousands of the droids without a lightsaber just "Jedi force kung fu" and the fact that General Grievous breathes the way he does because he got force crushed by Mace ........ There's a reason why Mace was the Jedi's Champion and why he was the only Jedi allowed to walk the line between the dark and the light ........ WBW's Anakin is literally Mace Windu with a deeper force well and no Vaap or SP
@@SciCombat Yes, Mace beat Palpatine, but it’s not ridiculous to believe that the most powerful dark side user in the galaxy ALLOWED that to happen at precisely the right moment for Anakin to come and stop him. That’s what I believe happened and you can continue believing things your way. It’s all good and not a big deal. 👍
@@ChinachikPalpatine was lucky anakin came in
@@Spider-Man647 IMO, that wasn’t just luck.
Keep the content coming, brother! Revan vs Mace!
Miss these type of videos, I hope we see more of this!
So Matthew says, that Mace woulda been overwhelmed by Anakins attacks. Holy shit, that there just shows you how skilled Obi-Wan was. Solidified by the fact that mace windu recognized him as the best defensive duelist.
The fact that theory has interviews with nick gillard and mathew stover and both say anakin over mace and both have spoken to George Lucas . And still tries to argue mace over anakin in any capacity is crazy
@@stlegion-px1wo Because Nick and Matthew’s opinions aren’t be all end all? It’s not fact lmao.
@@VladStopTalking true it’s not end all be all but the two people outside George himself who talked with George before on this topic atleast as fast rots is concerned it’s less of a debate in my opinion . the only thing better is if George himself confirmed who would win . With wbw anakin being a foregone conclusion especially if wbw anakin is close if not at his full potential. In which case he doesn’t even need his lightsaber
Mace wouldn't have lost to Obiwan in a duel, between Vaapad and his superior experience and lightsaber skill, he'd beat Anakin high diff.
Overwhelmed?? Huh
Did u see what he did to sidious
Obiwan has proven power in the force doesn’t matter skill prevails !!!
Dooku
But if Palpatine was able to decipher Mace's shatterpoint, couldn't a dark version of Anakin take that same.abilty and information and get an arguably better edge than Palpatine? Because if Mace is edging the dark side himself, that leaves him with more of a clear shatterpoint than if he didn't.
Mace would be so motivated to put Anakin down I think the Shatterpoint still works in his favor
@@akshaysundaram7391if anakin is at his full potentail with all abilities learned by default then he can easily take down mace by just reversing shatterpoint back to him after all its an un reverse ability at its core so anakin would be stronger at full potential
Nah Mace destroys.
@@TheJoseGarcia325That giving A LOT of assumptions to Anakin...
But even so, he has THREE other Jedi master, 2 of them stronger than Mace, to deal with...
He's cooked.
@@davidtucker9498 u must really be dumb anakin IS the chosen one hes the only one no other master no matter the experience or force power would be able to stop him at a full potential even lucas himself said anakin is untouchable power and skill wise 🤦🏾🤦🏾 how are u gonna argue something against what was already confirmed by the creator himself 🤦🏾🤦🏾
Anakin between worlds is basically a god. Its his full potencial as the chosen one. He might have his abilities as the chosen one combined with the power of the mortis god
Regarding Vapaad, yes, its a dark side loop, but I think your buddy Pablo said back in 2005 that according to GL, that loop CAN be overtaxed to where Mace loses, especially if its a competent darksider who can then re-up all that dark side force power being sent back to them. If anyone could do it, it'd be the Chosen One.
Anakin WBW or Prime Anakin is not afraid of The Highground because he becomes The Highground ⚡ He is very Wizard 🤘
Obi-Wan's like: "I beat Anakin twice and I had to throw my final fight with him so that he didn't cry! Yet everyone still says Anakin beats me. This is absurd."
All three times Obi-Wan faced Darth Vader, not Anakin himself.
Remember the sparring scene.
I know you aren't counting the trash fight from Obi-Wan like that should've been realistic (for the Star Wars universe) at all. Obi-Wan won that fight entirely based off of plot. Doesn't make sense if you look at everything Vader was capable of and then he loses to an old Jedi Master who barely reconnected in the force and did no type of training after 10 years.... That fight is utter bs and fan service
Your Missing Context for said Fights especially Mustafar
Would’ve loved to see anakin use force lightning in the ahsoka series since he had all his limbs and his force power weren’t cut in half as he wasn’t in the suit keeping him from using force lightning would’ve been crazy if they did something like that💯
200% is actually x4 as strong, which is even CRAZIER.
I'd say that anakin can beat every single on of them even with him in dark side mode, this is anakin at his full potential and he has more experience and has all the memory when he was darth vader. I get what you were saying about mace's lightsaber form, but this is anakin that is more powerful than ever, he knows every single form and how to counter it. (This is just my opinion)
Yeah, I'm gonna have to watch that series. From the way you're describing it, it seems like you did some really deep analysis to figure out who would win. That's right up my ally, so it sounds like a must-watch.
The Anakin Skywalker Meat Riding on this channel is crazy!
Btw... Cere Junda Solos
Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker Plot Armour
Anakin was considered one of the greatest duellists of his time beating Dooku also in AOTC Obi wan said if he trained more he would already be on the level of Yoda Anakin trained for 13 years as a jedi and 23 years as a sith also guess what when you die in star wars and become one with the force you get stronger and Anakin being the chosen one gets a lot stronger because the force created him and he has now become the balance in the force and can wield both the light and the dark side also he has access to the WBW he can see the past and future and learn anything he wants also DD Vader what is basically FP dark side killed the entire jedi council and WBW Anakin is FP light and FP dark
If mustufar ANAKIN can’t beat yoda or obi wan or siddious, he isn’t beating mace whom had siddious beggin for his life
Now if it’s full potential ANAKIN, he’s obviously wiping the floor with yoda Obi wan Luke and mace and siddious simultaneously. Prime Luke being the closest to him and yet still so far away
3:23 this is one part of the video that I severely disagree with, it’s been stated multiple times in guidebooks that Vader in RoTJ was is the strongest he has ever been, putting him past any version of Anakin, and even though he did hold back against Luke, their fight is still applicable in this situation since Obi-Wan and Yoda were confident enough in his capabilities to the point where he would be able to go one on one with Vader, meaning that he still had a high chance, considering that two of some of the most powerful Jedi Masters of all time think so, and it’s not like they knew Vader would be conflicted during their fight.
Exactly. Anakin glazing is insane
True
I’m thinking Anakin would get overwhelmed with this one, even at max power.
Do you even know how powerful FP Anakin is? Take a look at his feats in the Dark Dimension and on Mortis. He singlehandedly defeated the entire council (including Mace & Yoda) as DD Vader (which is basically Dark side FP Anakin)
And on Mortis, he made two celestials *KNEEL* before him.
No
He doesn’t have such weaknesses
Incorrect.
Incorrect.
full potential anakin one shots them all at once .
Everything with Anakin is based on woulda, coulda, shoulda. Not what happened but potential. He and Obi-Wan lost to an 80-year-old Dooku in AOTC.
Dooku is legit!
Well, this channel is called “Star Wars Theory” 😀
I literally had to remind someone of this. Obi wan got owned too
Luke prime and Anakin prime are a mirror of each other. It would be epic
Some Anakin fans always live in “what ifs” and “shoulda woulda coulda’s” and it’s sad to see.
I mean it is no longer a what if WBW Anakin is real
If he can use both the light and dark at will, it's difficult to imagine anyone ever beating Anakin.
No one could he's OP for sure
I always enjoy these vids, WBW Anakin stomps this. I don’t see it so much as Anakin picking which side of the Force he’d tap into but he’d flow through them, changing on the fly like a Battlemaster would change lightsaber forms not even mid-fight but even transitioning mid-sequence.
Actually I wonder what that would do to Vaapad if Anakin swapped sides in a sequence like Light/Dark/Light/Dark if it would force Mace to be shifting gears and if that would mess with him 🤔
I would LOVE for you to do way more of these, it's so fun just theory crafting and talking about vs battles!
Man you should really do that series again I miss it. Heck I may do my own spin on it someday why not, it seems fun!
Definitely like these types of videos bruv well done!
I think that the use of WBW anakin would best all of them if he were to switch back and forth from dark to light at will or even use both light and dark abilities together I think they would all have a great but very difficult battle against WBW Ani
You can’t just say oh hell loose against mace cause he’s only be using the dark side I think
That anakin would know how to rectify any situation instantly either by sheer power and force or straight up talking someone down
Let’s remember that he this isn’t the ani from ep3 this is a whole different ANAKIN
LORD ANAKIN? MASTER ANAKIN?
WBW Anakin is the culmination of his life being split literally in half. Half in light half in dark. He’s mastered both sides and he still has all his memories and lessons learned. So he knows about Vapaad and with his mastery of the force and the Darkside as powerful as he is now. WBW anakin should be able to just cancel whatever anybody tries on him
All I see is Mace trying to use Vaapad to find Anakins weakness (who is at true balance between light&dark) then Anakin just breaks through the shatterpoint and says “there is no weakness”
“AnIkAn aT fUlL pOTeNtIAl….”
In the old canon and in the new canon, he never reached it and never will
Actually the ROTS Novel makes it clear MFV was his Potential Bubbling out he essentially was at Full Potential by the End of Operation KnightFall(KFV) but he struggles to Access it vs Kenobi because of his Mental State
I would say about wbw Anakin he would have some new force abilities that they hadn't seen, such as force masking ( hiding your force presence completely) also force illusion ( makes another version of himself / clone) to fight this battle also he could in a sense throw of certain abilities and distort the dark side around him or others making them get confused and have to rely in his abilities, or he would or he gave force dampening - slowing down since one else force abilities so much that there force abilities will become useless and have to rely on themselves. That's what I'm thinking he may also have access to other abilities both light and dark side that neither of them have ever encountered nor seen
Love these videos!! Your old versus videos was a my jam after school!
I love to hear a fan fiction after mace windu after he falls out the window and lands in the underworld, battered and broken, missing an arm. Would that make him stronger than Vader after the suit upgrade? Mace would have that darkside energy from revenge from Anakin/Vader for the downfall of the republic and Jedi order and simply revenge just for taking his arm
I should point out, Vaapad only redirects dark side energy in Legends. In canon it’s just a variant of Juyo that channels inner darkness instead of rage and hate, and that’s it.
Really like this series, would love to see more. Side note 200% is 3x as much. 100% is 2x. But really loved the video.
Full potential Anakin with the WBW levels, i mean… that is unfair, he could literally destroy all 4 at the same time with some crazy force shit instead of dueling with lightsaber 💀
if Obi Wan's words are true for everyone, that after death they'll become more powerful than ever imaginable, it should apply for Anakin as well right
if the power level while being alive affects the afterworld power, imagine Anakin's 2xPalpatine power while he was alive, getting recalculated for the same, that'd be crazy asf
What I don't get is he's using force ghost anakin against mortal everyone else. Stacking the deck. That's not prime vs prime.
Actually Alive Anakin should have more Potential theoretically as he would eventually reach his Max Living and Cosmic Force instead of just the Living Force
With how powerful fully potential anakin would be he would slap them all with his eyes closed
if anakin was double the emperor's power, i think he wouldn't need the dark side to defeat any of them, including wendu in my opinion.
Do more fantasy battles! They are fun to speculate and debate about. I wanna see PLO Koon and Kit Fisto thrown into more as well. And definitely do some older sith and Jedi too like old republic and high republic times too. The potential is limitless and gives us so much content to cover! Thanks Theory! Keep up the good work!
the flaw with this speculation about mace having some sort of a chance is the assumption that world between worlds anakin would only use the dark side ,
but anakin is clearly perfectly balanced and in control and can combine or switch between light and the dark at will in ahsoka episode 5 ,
mace windu would be doomed , anakin would just ragdoll and destroy everyone . not to mention hax like reality warping or jumping in timelines at will .
not even abeloth stands a chance against the full potential anakin .
How is this even a debate? 4 of the most powerful Jedi ever vs 1 of the most powerful Jedi ever.
The short answer- Luke, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Mace win with a bit of difficulty.
The long answer- Luke is every bit as powerful as Anakin so that fight alone would be a draw or 50/50. Neither of them have any particular counters to eachother but both Skywalkers are equally matched with just as many advantages and disadvantages. Obi-Wan knows Anakin's weaknessess and has the most experience against him. He's fought him multiple times and won with him willingly losing in their final duel. Also, Kenobi's Soresu counters Skywalker's Ataru. Yoda is the oldest, fastest, has the most knowledge, and has the most overall experience. He's also the third most powerful one here with him being able to draw with Darth Sidious. Mace uses Vapaad which counters all of Anakin's Darkside abilities. Anakin dabbled in the darkside and was nearly completely consumed by it. He uses the darkside a lot an Windu completely counters all of it. He beat Sidious with this method despite not being as powerful as Yoda and Sidious who's fight was a stalemate. This is a mismatch. Assuming all 5 of them are at full potential, In a 1v1 against each if them, he'd beat all except Luke with that fight being a strong 50/50 but against all of them, Luke, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Mace win with moderate difficulty.
What if tony stark was captured by the galtic empire in 2008 cross over
The interesting thing about world between worlds Anakin is that it seems like he can flip back and forth between his light and dark side powers, allowing him to draw from whatever side of the force gives him an advantage over his opponent and his potential with either side of the force just overwhelms whoever he is fighting
Exactly right. This should not be hard to understand. That's why he kept flashing between good and evil. (Anakin/Vader)
What if anakin Skywalker had venom symbiote after be burn on Mustafar
That’s wild
😐
WBW Anakin could crush them all with the force, no need for a lightsaber
You would have to be the biggest Anakin fanboy ever to think this is actually fair for him. ESPECIALLY when Lucas confirmed that Luke and Anakin have the same potential and that Luke became what Anakin could not. Grandmaster Luke alone would win because they would have equal raw force power but Grandmaster Luke has more knowledge in the force and is the greatest lightsaber duelist of all time by this point. Adding the others in is extreme overkill.
Lucas never said they have the same potential people say it but it is not true he only ever said Luke would become stronger than Vader not Anakin . Anakin was also considered one of the greatest duellists of his time beating Dooku also in AOTC Obi wan said if he trained more he would already be on the level of Yoda you say Luke has more experience and knowledge that makes no sense Anakin trained for 13 years as a jedi and 23 years as a sith also guess what when you die in star wars and become one with the force you get stronger and Anakin being the chosen one gets a lot stronger because the force created him and he has now become the balance in the force and can wield both the light and the dark side also he has access to the WBW he can see the past and future and learn anything he wants also DD Vader what is basically FP dark side killed the entire jedi council and WBW Anakin is FP light and FP dark
Recent Sources literally say IH Anakin is the Best of the Jedi Council, the Strongest Jedi of All Time and above Prime Luke and this is Pre Prime Anakin Luke gets clapped and GL never said they had the same Potential he said he inherited his Potential but if you take Look at the EU Luke's Cosmic Force Potential is Lower then Anakin's because he cannot use The Mortis Nexus by himself
@@percivalknightoftheflames855anakin is weaker than legends luke lol
@@percivalknightoftheflames855Prime Luke negs Anakin and Vader
Bro at full potential Anakin wouldn’t even need a lightsaber to body mace windu in a few seconds
Bro literaly sh** on Luke
Love these types of vids man
George Lucas, the official fact man, said that Luke/ Leia had the same potential as Anakin......He also said that Luke was the most powerful Jedi of all time.....End of story
George Lucas is indecisive on his facts. He can’t decide whether Luke and Vader are equal with no amps or Vader is stronger. So his information isn’t really valid and sadly wouldn’t be since the fact that his own movies say otherwise, Like Palps vs Windu, he says it was fair and that there was no holding back on any one’s part, but the movie directly contradicts him by showing a scene where Sidious points his blade in front of his chest and just decides not to kill him, and the literal fight maker of the scene said that he threw the fight so I would take visual evidence and the person who created the fight scenes + context over what he says
@@myoukamisura8280 why do I mention George? Because sometimes anything that comes after either stay consistent or there is nothing that comes after what he said by Disney. Literally nothing. His word matters as long as it’s consistent or if there’s nothing to disprove it or say it’s outdated.
@@myoukamisura8280 so somethings do make sense but overall he’s fairly inconsistent.
@@myoukamisura8280 he’ll either say something, and have it be directly contradicted, or he’ll say something that has nothing that disproves it or say it’s outdated
@@myoukamisura8280 now, if there is nothing to contradict those statements, and there’s evidence to prove it, then it’s valid, if that isn’t the case… well you know.
WBW Anakin is the most powerful character in the Star Wars universe
Anakin VS Yoda. At his age, Yoda wouldn't be able to go for a long duel like Anakin and Obi-Wan did. Anakin would know or realize this and take his time and let Yoda gas himself out.
Anakin VS Windu. Dooku was apparently the greatest duelist the Jedi order has ever seen and Anakin/Dooku 2 ended rather abruptly. We can speculate that Palpatine was interfering during that duel for the sake of getting Anakin in his service. I see Anakin and Windu fighting for a long long time, but I see Anakin's youth and strength in the Force winning it.
Anakin VS Luke. Luke didn't get the same training as his father, nor does he have the same rage driving him. Luke defeated Vader, but Vader was like 60% of Anakin's strengths and powers. Anakin would break Luke down similarly to the way Vader did in ESB.
Anakin VS Obi-Wan. Get a comfy chair and a bucket of popcorn, we'll be here for a while. Anakin would eventually find that tiny crack in Obi-Wan's amazing defenses and plow through.
This is the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen 😂😂
Your telling me… one of the most powerful Jedi, yoda, is going to get tired fighting anakin? And anakin is just gonna back away like some battlefront 2 duel? He has an aggressive style he’s going to go for yoda. Yoda is gonna take him out quickly.
@@117MasterSpartan I don't know what's less intelligent; you laughing at your own idiocy or your blazing ignorance.
@@117MasterSpartanhe definitely tires in his flight with palpatine
Anakin would have crazy raw power without the suit holding him back.
I'd love to get your thoughts on this. Since Ahsoka has effectively, presumably been taken out of the Thawn fight - this puts Luke in the role he was in, in the books to fight Thrawn. This brings me to my question, Abeloth, if Dave is really cooking Abeloth up. Perhaps Abeloth is the real big bad after Thrawn years into the future, say, of the time of the new Jedi order. Would it be CRAZY to bring Anakin back (not necessarily to the living realm) but bringing him to actually fight nonetheless. Since we're starting to delve into the magicks of Star Wars and the mysticism could we see Ahsoka, Ezra, Cal etc what have you fighting alongside Luke and even Anakin to combat such an evil entity. You could even include the Force dyad (because this would presumably keep everyone happy)
Y’all underestimate the light side of the force
World between worlds Anakin will stomp everyone all at once. He can swap between dark and light side. He can take out everyone keeping Yoda for last. Dark side transformers to increase his speed and strength just toy with Yoda until he just wants to blow him away with the force.
Yep hes practically God tier level with the force and i love mace windu hes my fave jedi but even i know using star wars logic he would get his ass whooped easily without trying ahsoka had a hard time and anakin waant really trying to kill her just motivate her to live and survive idk why even the biggest star wars fans still debate til this day if anakin at full potential would still lose against other jedi/sith wbw anakin is literally the spiritual version of full potential anakin 🤦🏾🤦🏾
7:36 - Nothing beats "I'm rubber and you're glue."
if you actually know the canon and legends luke is more than enough. idk how many times george lucas has to say they both have the same potential for you to realise the chosen one isnt a title on strength but a prophetic role for anakin to fill. Subduing the son and daughter wasnt because of his strength it was because it was the chosen ones role to do so.
Couldnt have been said better. Anikantards always overhype his strength compared to Luke When Prime Anikan is a Sequels Trilogy Luke Victim, Mando Luke victim, BOBF Luke victim, and Legends Luke victim. As far as Anikan in the world between worlds he should be equal to Legends Luke, Canon Sequels Trilogy Luke, and Sequels Trilogy Force Ghost Luke.
Amen !
Sigh someone didn't read Crucible GM Luke is Sub S3 Mortis Anakin who is Sub Vjun Anakin who is Sub ROTS Anakin they only have the same Living Force Potential not Cosmic Force Potential
Here's what we have to question. Was GM luke most powerful at the time we are measuring from? GM Yoda at clone wars era wasn't prime Yoda. Listen, I write graphic novels myself, and believe me, there Are characters that I wish I could say are more powerful than others (even the protagonist) but I can't and I've been trying to find plots that can make it happen, some for 30 decades now but the characters are ultimately just what they are 🤷.
Also many forget that Luke was not whole either. They cite Anakin's disadvantages with cybernetics etc, but there have been examples where Luke's cybernetics have held him at a disadvantage as well, albeit, not to the same level of course
Apropos, I'll leave this here "George Lucas was pressed on this in an interview and his official answer was that Luke was the full realization of Anakin Skywalker’s potential. He managed to inherit all the force abilities from his father’s side and since he missed out on a physically and psychologically debilitating injury he managed to become as strong as Anakin would have been had he not been hurt himself. In symbolic terms he is the living redemption of the chosen one. So the correct answer is they are equal strength, the son succeeding where his father failed."
Full potential Anakin would have been the strongest entity in the entire history of star wars
Does one really require any movement in the body to move an object with the force? If anakin doesn’t need his hands or legs he could probably pop their heads like Wanda at his peak
This takes me back to when Star Wars was fun and when I found your channel in the begging. Thank you Dave, and thank you Theory.
Very interesting, but my big take away is seeing proper authorities confirming Anakin would smoke Mace 😂 love it, I don't think Windu beats Anakin in any scenario, even dark side, he couldn't even see Anakin was engulfed in dark side energy about to strike him to save Palpatine, so his magical form he came up with ain't that useful. The movies are the proper source to take for this sort of thing, the rest is supplementary material
It looks like Obi Wan really did get lucky, though it doesn't really come across in the movie
that would be arguing mace could beat both of them but thats not the majority argument, palpatine was still more dangerous and powerful than anakin, this is like saying “palpatine couldn’t sense vaders light side” when vader betrayed him and coming to the conclusion that because of that palpatine loses to vader
Mace Smokes Anakin at any point in his actual life, but THEORETICALLY, Anakin at full power could defeat Mace. If that was a one on one, not a one on FOUR, I'd give it to Anakin.
@@davidtucker9498it's Stated otherwise by Matthew Stover, Gillard, George(VIA the Lucas Approved ROTS Video Game and Novel)
THEORY you should do Ezra vs Cal. I think the " lower tier " Jedi battles would be more interesting. We could learn a little more about them and I feel the match ups would be less about power levels and more about other attributes.
Cal would win.
I don't think Mace Windu is ever beating 100% Anakin regardless of Vapaad. If Mace tried to absorb that much of the dark side to reflect back at Anakin, he would just blow up like an overinflated balloon lol
You have to remember Mase has one more thing up his sleeve which is shatter point. He can literally see the weakness of his opponent
Well if we're talking strictly dueling I'd give mace a shot
I absolutely love the mace windu respect man he is one of my favorite characters and I just wish we could have seen more of him. I definitely think he is one of the most powerful characters in Star Wars he has always been underrated thank you for showing him love man this was amazing
Obi-Wan always beats Anakin. Legends fans like blowing everything out of proportion and power scaling to ridiculous amounts, but canonically all the BS Palpatine and Nihilus and Vitiate did don't exist, so "full potential Anakin" isn't gonna be doing anything too ridiculous.
Yet Kenobi gets beat by Dooku, with ease.
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Blud if you think Kenobi beating an Confused, Conflicted, Gulity, Arrogant and Mentally Shattered Anakin is indicative of what would have Happend in both their Primes/Peak States your Delusional
love these, pls more! Also thank you so much for your videos ❤
Everyone is only focusing on vapaad for mace when his real power would be shatterpoint. The force tells him exactly what he has to do to win in any situation. Whether it’s a duel, a fist fight, a physical object, a conversation, or a dilemma, the force says do this at this point to fulfill your objective. Windu beat sidious due to shatterpoint, not vapaad.
9:48 ''he teaches his little boy a lesson'' 🤣
I wonder if Valkorian could take Sidious?
he would. mid diff
easily. old republic niggas were a different breed
At this point Anakin doesn’t even need to use a lightsaber to kill them man, let’s be real, 200% of Sidious power he could literally kill them on the spot with the force.
Anakin by EP 3 would’ve obliterated the entire council even Yoda lol. Once he began to use the DS and became KFV he was the most powerful being in the galaxy even surpassing Sidious. Read the ROTS novelization and he has the feats and statements to back the claims up.
I agree
Obi wan must be hella powerful then
@@ganstercowmeow4247 You mean the high ground must of been powerful
In canon no in legends yes
@@Badookum lol true
i agree with u alot of the time, but saying mace beats wbw anakin is one of the craziest statements ever made
Mace would take Anakin on his own
Wait, wait, wait! How did you do all this but not cover Grandmaster Luke Skywalker vs. Anakin?!
the constant Obi'Wan disrespect
It’s so tiring.
Obiwan is overrated as fck 😂 i love him but yall fanboys overrate the f outta him
I think he would have red force lightning like his eyes
If we're scaling Anakin to Max power then it only makes sense to scale Luke at Max power as well, since we're all under the understanding that Legends Luke is full Power Anakin Skywalker since his children have his latent potential.
During battles Anakin was a hot head, which is why I still say that Luke would clap him in a battle.
I find it so great that Nick literally played the Jedi master that specialised in teaching lightsaber combat
Anakin would get stomped 😭
anakin is 5d in wbw
4:25 I would love to see an interview with you and James Luceno :D
Anakin loses EASILY. He couldn’t even beat Obi-Wan by himself. He could maybe handle two at a time Max but not Yoda and Mace Windu at the same time.
Anakin was conflicted and unbalanced when fighting kenobi This is Anakin not conflicted and in complete control of the light and dark side
I believe that the anakin we saw in ashoka show , was the new father , if that is the case then the fight is over in 3 seconds , Anakin was able to shutdown the powers of the son and the daughter at Mortis, in order to pass the test , at that point he didn't control his full powers , I can see Anakin doing the same with his full potential , meaning turning off the force on them by disconnect them from the force , Yoda , Obi wan , Luke and Mace , at the same time , then it will be like playing with younglins
But obi wan beat him
What about World between World Chosen One Anakin vs Palpatine? That as a video would be very nice...
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I like ur reasoning and thoughts behind the whole comparison
What i find funnny is watching Anakin no cyborg body saying Vader's style lines: "you lack conviction"
I miss Fantasy Battle videos! You should definitely make more. If you wanted you could even do blasterslinger duels too