Adjustable run on with turbo Levo, I would also like the assist level switch to be a throttle twist grip for quick changes and a push button where the original assist button is to turn the over run off and on or adjust the time.
I rode both on a demo day (Heckler and Bullit) and much preferred the ep8. It was noticeably less powerful in boost, but better in trail, with much better battery life. The extra power of boost really seemed to make battery life suffer.
The last firmware update i did bricked my bike, I had to take it to a Shimano centre for a reflash. It didn't cost me any money just time. Poorly implemented update mechanism. Unless it was bringing something new that I wanted I wouldn't bother updating my ep8.
Do Shimano have any warranty support in the UK yet? I heard that they finally have a repair centre somewhere in the South of England? How easy / expensive is it to get Shimano motors serviced or repaired in the UK?
My current EP8 shimano is now have 3300 miles on it. Personally not looking for any power boost anymore but this is probably my last Shimano bike. I'm so tired hearing of the clatch sound on the downhill. I feel it's getting louder and louder and so annoying on downhill. Gonna wait for the Avinox.
A local bike shop in Swansea just became a Trek dealership. When I asked if they service / repair Trek ebike motors I was told I would have to send the motor off to a specialist. Tredz in Swansea - I was told last week by a Bosche owner who wanted his motor serviced - told this chap that they have a 6 month waiting list for Bosche motor servicing. If I buy a Shimano ebike then I have to somehow get my bike from Swansea to Monmouth if I want this upgrade... which is a bit of a problem for someone who rides a bike as a means of not using a car. How many ebikes are sold online these days? I would be curious to know the figure. I suspect it is at least half of them, if not considerably more. The reality is that plenty of ebike owners do not have access to places where they can get their motors serviced or repaired. Imagine buying a car and then finding that there were only a handful of mechanics who could service them. /rant
There is no such thing as a motor ‘service’ with Bosch and Shimano. If it fails they simply replace the full motor. There are loads of Bosch and Shimano service centres in south wales.
How did you find the battery life? On a recent demo i found that though noticeably more powerful, using that power had a drastic effect on battery life.
How many thousand E8000 motors did shimano sell to us and now they couldn't care less about parts or repair. E8000 owners are dead to Mr Shimano . I for one won't ever go down the Shimano motor trap again. They are not even smart enough to solve the self inflicted E010 error. No Shimano for me.
@robhaskins3068 yea i feel the same have a older commencal with the e8000 and also feel left behind and abandoned lol shimano went for milk and never came back
But at least you must feel good that you're saving the planet by riding an ebike, right? None of that nasty ICE business over here, I say! Let's ride our brand new (every other year because they break) ebikes to save the planet. Hopefully they are carbon too as that's the lightest material that can't be recycled.
So i cannot do update via app? I think longer cutoff makes shifting harder with power on and not good for the chain so there are not only upsides but downsides as well. It also would have been nice to add this latest software version in the description.
i suggest to just change bike, old shimano motor is sooooo fking bad tbh (personally owned a specy browse, 1st gen bosh, 1st shimano and now EP801, the 800 is the worst ever)
You can do the firmware update with your phone, you just can't change some of the new settings, like the overrun, on the phone yet, this will be in a app update later this year.
I bought a Pivot Shuttle LT two weeks ago and made sure they had the new firmware installed. i didn't know there were options you could only have them change while it was hooked up. so i have no idea if they maxed the sliders on overrun and assist start, but it feels pretty good. it definitely has a decent amount of overrun in boost mode.
More power means more battery usage??? I dont like how aggressive my bosch is in emtb so tend to use tour+. Its when you're teetering on the edge that could mean a slipped wheel and heading off the edge! I do ride the bike with and without battery so probably should have gone for a lighter emtb
My ep8 motor gives me plenty of power for rocky aggresive climbs in Lakes . My legs / arms / core / skill gives up before the bike does. More power means shorter range and less natural ride feel, more wear on the drive train, more wear on the trails. R&d would be better spent on the battery
Try a rockymountain. They have the most power and the most natural feel by far. But people don't like them because you actually have to work for the power
I want to know if this update is also trying to make derestricting the motor more difficult. If I can't get that done soon I am selling my bike and not coming back to Shimano.
I watched this video and expected you to promote the main value of the new Over Run feature of the EP801 to be the avoidance of peddle strike when climbing over rock ledges, root and stairs for the urban mountain biker. As I see it, the big advantage is that you get those few seconds of extra push to get you over the edge while you stop pedaling to maximize clearance. Its an extra element for the technical climb, without Over Run the rider has to use momentum and timing. With over run you can add the extra push but still needs momentum and timing. All good.
Why are so many of those settings not just available to the user? Why do you need to go to a shop to set those? These are things that should be easily accessible to configure and play around with as a user.
because the phone app needs a software update [user interface changes] to allow the end user to modify the settings. Shimano have already said this updated app should be out in Autumn
I think from memory I've seen EMBN do a motor climb test on this same track and the Bosch Performance Line CX is under a minute in the low 50's. (From memory) This is a slight improvement more work to be done IMO.
Any negative effects of the update or removal of certain features? Lets face it software updates for any device can have negative effects or remove features.
Don’t have a Shimano motor but from what I’ve seen even EMBN, is the achilles heel of the brand when it comes to motor issues and repairs. As your excellent video a few months ago pointed out most current major brands can be repaired in the workshop by the specialists but not Shimano. So sadly, I will never consider one until they address these fundamental issues because after your warranty expires, do you really want the worry of a very costly replacement instead of a rebuild/repair?? 😵💫
I'm not a racer. So shaving seconds off of a climb is not terribly important to me. But I am curious what the impact to battery life is with this update.
I don't have an eMTB but I've demoed a few and follow the tech fairly closely but the description of the use of over-run sounded odd to me. Steve positioned it as a feature that will help you if you are tired. Really? I mean over-run is going to give you what, a second or two of continued boost once you stop pedaling? THAT's gonna let you recover from a long climb? I thought over-run was to help you boost over a section where you can't turn (or risk turning) the pedals. Like a step up where you might have a pedal strike if you had to pedal over it. Now you can pedal hard up to it, stop pedaling, and let the over-run carry you over the step with your pedals level, and resume pedaling when you get past.
That's exactly it, but if you're tired on a technical climb a couple of seconds is a long time. It will allow you to recompose yourself, all while maintaining your speed 💪
I don’t think it matters ,what motor you have on your bike .You still can only do 15mph .I would like to see the speed being upgraded but I very much doubt that will happen .
Unfortunately we that have the Old "new" EP800 (8 months in my new bike) don't have access to s simple function as "assist carry over function", that would improve a lot the way to handle the EP800 in hard conditions terrain, but I'm the guilty one by trusting in Shimano and by a bicycle with EP800.
banging on about a simple firmware change…already have done very much the same by changing the parameters of my ep8 motor….besides Shimano i want some 150mm cranks ASAP from you, all right!
The biggest market is the existing motors such as the EP8. EP801 has nowhere near the market share of the EP8. Shimano should of made 2 updates, 1for EP8 and 1 for EP801. But the update only brings the motor in line with what the Bosch motor already has. So Shimano playing catch up not exceeding the Bosch motor until they start winning the hill climb tests where ATM the come last.
Ruled out owning a Shimano motor when they accepted motor rattles and told people to just get used to it. They’re not getting my money with shit like that.
Even the ep8 motor was intentional due to an essential part they put in. It's not because it's loose or anything. It doesn't impede funtion and on the ep801 doesn't have much sound at all
@@Eric-md7trYeah, that’s what I mean mate, it was intentional. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure they’re good motors, loads of top end bikes use it, I just wouldn’t buy one, it’s the intentional rattle that puts me off
I think most shimano owners are hesitant to do any updates, as they lose ability to have a bike that doesn't throw an anchor off the bike once they hit an arbitrary limit, (that most of us can ride above fully natty), so while I agree updates are important, until we start seeing exploits targeting our ebike ecu's probably wont change much. Having a few extra tq ft/lbs but losing a crappy speed limit just isn't worth it.
He is right. All my bike buddies ride a bosch motor and I am the one with my shimano which battery is flat first on big tours. Some of them have even less Wh and heavier bikes and have still more battery left at the end of a tour @@sebastiengiovannelli8556
Anyone know if there is now an app or update for the original Yamaha PWX motor? It would be great if it had a little bit of overrun as it cuts out very abruptly compared with newer motors. Other than that it's great.
I demod a Heckler with it and absolutely rinsed the battery in only 600m of climbing. It climbed at the 15mph limit with much less effort than an ep8 at 12mph.
I've just got back from Ard Rock on my new Merida eOne-sixty 875 with the update and it was brilliant. It's important to use a high cadence to get optimum power and performance and not try and grind a high gear.
Why are used shimano motor e-bikes with fantastic components offered at such low mileage and price? And why are the classifieds of the same bikes posted over and over without anyone buying them? It's a Scooby-Doo-mystery!
It’s a bit suspect!🤔 if the motor has this capability then why not just release it like that or are they over clocking the motor? I wouldn’t buy a bike with a shimano motor! So many great options available now with good after care and repairability! Shame motors don’t have standardised fitment!😏 that said I haven’t had one issue with my Bosch performance CX so would probably chose a bike with the same if I did upgrade!
Every ebike manufaturer is on the bandwagon of planned obsolescence. Ebikes are still in heavy R&D phase and we consumers are paying for being their guinea pigs. I have one ebike and that remains to be the last one until I see proper standardization of batteries, right to repair and frame mounts. One new hardware introduced, all older versions are obsolete.
Fail if it doesn't include older motors. I guess they're hoping people jailbreak their bikes then they can refuse warranty/goodwill when (not if) the motors go... Why isn't embn angry about this?
OMG. Shimano have released a firmware update. Time for another infomercial... Meanwhile, my Photon motor receives firmware updates regularly, and I have always been able to set almost every parameter by a bluetooth connected app. No need to actually go to a dealer WTF.
@@vashon100 Typo, my bad. Not everyone is from an English speaking country, so these things can happen a lot easier 😅 Still think Shimano should update the EP8. 😉
They have lost me as a customer in regards to emtb motors. There lack of support for older motors. No interchangeability between motors .miles behind the 8ball compared to other motors.
My next Emtb engine gona be a Bosch XS or this new CX, depending on weight diffrent between the CS and the new CX. Shimano will be interesting when they get rid of there shit display and get it mounted into the fram that rest of all Emtb now had in many years. What has hapen to the Japanese🤔, have they laid in several years Civid Coma🤔. First I had a Shimano E8000 engine, now I have 2 pc Specialized SL 1.1, 1pc Shimano RS Ep8, and one Yamaha moro and their engine OBS no trimbox in en of this bikes😋
.... everyone with an emtb is a beta version. Very little life in the technology on emtb's. Manufacturers are constantly bringing out completely new systems with older systems left without development or updates.
What changes would you like to make to your motor if you could?
Adjustable run on with turbo Levo, I would also like the assist level switch to be a throttle twist grip for quick changes and a push button where the original assist button is to turn the over run off and on or adjust the time.
Thanks @embn , but you didn't tell the most important matter for a lot of riders: the update is also available for the old EP8?
replace the plastics with magnesium parts. power is nothing if it falls apart after a slight beating.
I would like to get more than 5000 km before it packs it in
EP801. Walk asisit. It is too fast.
Great news if you’re got an EP801, not so good if you’re on an EP8. Come on Shimano what about some firmware updates for the EP8 motor too 🤷♂️🤷♂️
What would you like the update to address? Any issues?
I rode both on a demo day (Heckler and Bullit) and much preferred the ep8. It was noticeably less powerful in boost, but better in trail, with much better battery life. The extra power of boost really seemed to make battery life suffer.
E8000 ep8 who, shimano don’t give a stuff .
Shimano has left their early adopters up the creek without a paddle 👎
The last firmware update i did bricked my bike, I had to take it to a Shimano centre for a reflash. It didn't cost me any money just time. Poorly implemented update mechanism. Unless it was bringing something new that I wanted I wouldn't bother updating my ep8.
Do Shimano have any warranty support in the UK yet? I heard that they finally have a repair centre somewhere in the South of England? How easy / expensive is it to get Shimano motors serviced or repaired in the UK?
Is this update available for the EP6 motor as well?? 🤙🏴
My current EP8 shimano is now have 3300 miles on it. Personally not looking for any power boost anymore but this is probably my last Shimano bike. I'm so tired hearing of the clatch sound on the downhill. I feel it's getting louder and louder and so annoying on downhill. Gonna wait for the Avinox.
A local bike shop in Swansea just became a Trek dealership. When I asked if they service / repair Trek ebike motors I was told I would have to send the motor off to a specialist. Tredz in Swansea - I was told last week by a Bosche owner who wanted his motor serviced - told this chap that they have a 6 month waiting list for Bosche motor servicing. If I buy a Shimano ebike then I have to somehow get my bike from Swansea to Monmouth if I want this upgrade... which is a bit of a problem for someone who rides a bike as a means of not using a car. How many ebikes are sold online these days? I would be curious to know the figure. I suspect it is at least half of them, if not considerably more. The reality is that plenty of ebike owners do not have access to places where they can get their motors serviced or repaired. Imagine buying a car and then finding that there were only a handful of mechanics who could service them. /rant
My ep8 motor could not be repaired at all, Shimano provides no parts or service. Had to buy a new motor.
There is no such thing as a motor ‘service’ with Bosch and Shimano. If it fails they simply replace the full motor. There are loads of Bosch and Shimano service centres in south wales.
Incredible effoet from shimano. BUT What about the battery juice... is it draining the same way? Faster? Or slower?
How did you find the battery life? On a recent demo i found that though noticeably more powerful, using that power had a drastic effect on battery life.
I went with a 2023 EP6 ,So i could upgrade to auto shift and free shift at a later date.What updates can i utilise.Thanks for any feedback...
What is the version of the new update?
Thanks for the information about the update, it's great that they did it!!!
Did they tell you why they did it on ep801 only, and not on ep8 motor?
Does the update have any affect on battery life?
" A significant performance upgrade " ,
as in more torque ?
if so what is it ?
How many thousand E8000 motors did shimano sell to us and now they couldn't care less about parts or repair. E8000 owners are dead to Mr Shimano . I for one won't ever go down the Shimano motor trap again. They are not even smart enough to solve the self inflicted E010 error. No Shimano for me.
@robhaskins3068 yea i feel the same have a older commencal with the e8000 and also feel left behind and abandoned lol shimano went for milk and never came back
Something should be done , let’s all scrap 6 Grand bikes just to have the newist motor .
@@chrisbeaven7541 aye! I'll go first! Right .... I'm not spending 6k on an emtb.
Shitmano
But at least you must feel good that you're saving the planet by riding an ebike, right? None of that nasty ICE business over here, I say! Let's ride our brand new (every other year because they break) ebikes to save the planet. Hopefully they are carbon too as that's the lightest material that can't be recycled.
So to be clear…you’re screwed out of this firmware if you’re on the 2022 eP8?
Thank you, great job from Shimano, but we still need a home extender to compete with other brands.
Wondering what the more aggressive settings will do to liability...
So the Previous EP8 does not get this update?
So i cannot do update via app? I think longer cutoff makes shifting harder with power on and not good for the chain so there are not only upsides but downsides as well. It also would have been nice to add this latest software version in the description.
Is this EP801 only? What about the EP600 which, as I understand, is the same motor just in a steel housing instead of the magnesium one.
Yes Steve, we know you can ride a wheelie.
Potentially more bikes on trails with the OG Ep8? A lot of them about still at least. When will we see updates for it????
i suggest to just change bike, old shimano motor is sooooo fking bad tbh (personally owned a specy browse, 1st gen bosh, 1st shimano and now EP801, the 800 is the worst ever)
I’m not a dentist. Won’t be just changing bikes. If you’ve not used the ep8, why bother commenting?
@@zayon0170spending 5k+ on a whim isn’t a luxury many people have mate.
Do the bike shops still charge for doing the upgrade?
any update maybe not this but another arrived for EP8000 as well?
Is this update applicable to Shimano EP6 RS Gen 2 motor too?
So you have to take it to a shop for a firmware update? Can you not jist download and update it on your PC...
You sure can, with a laptop, etubes project app and shimano pce2 device.
You can do the firmware update with your phone, you just can't change some of the new settings, like the overrun, on the phone yet, this will be in a app update later this year.
If you have a older motor set at 32km/h will it reset to 25km/h or stay at 32?
I bought a Pivot Shuttle LT two weeks ago and made sure they had the new firmware installed. i didn't know there were options you could only have them change while it was hooked up. so i have no idea if they maxed the sliders on overrun and assist start, but it feels pretty good. it definitely has a decent amount of overrun in boost mode.
More power means more battery usage???
I dont like how aggressive my bosch is in emtb so tend to use tour+. Its when you're teetering on the edge that could mean a slipped wheel and heading off the edge! I do ride the bike with and without battery so probably should have gone for a lighter emtb
My ep8 motor gives me plenty of power for rocky aggresive climbs in Lakes . My legs / arms / core / skill gives up before the bike does. More power means shorter range and less natural ride feel, more wear on the drive train, more wear on the trails. R&d would be better spent on the battery
Try a rockymountain. They have the most power and the most natural feel by far. But people don't like them because you actually have to work for the power
I want to know if this update is also trying to make derestricting the motor more difficult. If I can't get that done soon I am selling my bike and not coming back to Shimano.
I watched this video and expected you to promote the main value of the new Over Run feature of the EP801 to be the avoidance of peddle strike when climbing over rock ledges, root and stairs for the urban mountain biker.
As I see it, the big advantage is that you get those few seconds of extra push to get you over the edge while you stop pedaling to maximize clearance. Its an extra element for the technical climb, without Over Run the rider has to use momentum and timing. With over run you can add the extra push but still needs momentum and timing.
All good.
Why are so many of those settings not just available to the user? Why do you need to go to a shop to set those? These are things that should be easily accessible to configure and play around with as a user.
@@MrMartinSchou absolutely agree it's such a bummer that you have to go to a dealer for a 5 min FW update.
because the phone app needs a software update [user interface changes] to allow the end user to modify the settings. Shimano have already said this updated app should be out in Autumn
Good video! Thanks for creating it :) 🚲
I think from memory I've seen EMBN do a motor climb test on this same track and the Bosch Performance Line CX is under a minute in the low 50's. (From memory) This is a slight improvement more work to be done IMO.
Any negative effects of the update or removal of certain features? Lets face it software updates for any device can have negative effects or remove features.
Don’t have a Shimano motor but from what I’ve seen even EMBN, is the achilles heel of the brand when it comes to motor issues and repairs. As your excellent video a few months ago pointed out most current major brands can be repaired in the workshop by the specialists but not Shimano. So sadly, I will never consider one until they address these fundamental issues because after your warranty expires, do you really want the worry of a very costly replacement instead of a rebuild/repair?? 😵💫
I'm not a racer. So shaving seconds off of a climb is not terribly important to me. But I am curious what the impact to battery life is with this update.
Bafang done this a long time ago… free to loose power or gain power. Depends on track
I don't have an eMTB but I've demoed a few and follow the tech fairly closely but the description of the use of over-run sounded odd to me. Steve positioned it as a feature that will help you if you are tired. Really? I mean over-run is going to give you what, a second or two of continued boost once you stop pedaling? THAT's gonna let you recover from a long climb?
I thought over-run was to help you boost over a section where you can't turn (or risk turning) the pedals. Like a step up where you might have a pedal strike if you had to pedal over it. Now you can pedal hard up to it, stop pedaling, and let the over-run carry you over the step with your pedals level, and resume pedaling when you get past.
That's exactly it, but if you're tired on a technical climb a couple of seconds is a long time. It will allow you to recompose yourself, all while maintaining your speed 💪
I don’t think it matters ,what motor you have on your bike .You still can only do 15mph .I would like to see the speed being upgraded but I very much doubt that will happen .
What about EP6?
Unfortunately we that have the Old "new" EP800 (8 months in my new bike) don't have access to s simple function as "assist carry over function", that would improve a lot the way to handle the EP800 in hard conditions terrain, but I'm the guilty one by trusting in Shimano and by a bicycle with EP800.
banging on about a simple firmware change…already have done very much the same by changing the parameters of my ep8 motor….besides Shimano i want some 150mm cranks ASAP from you, all right!
yes shorter cranks please Shimano, these 160s of mine catch rocks/roots regularly
Miranda make 150mm cranks
@robhaskins3068 yes my mate has them, not Shimano approved though
The biggest market is the existing motors such as the EP8. EP801 has nowhere near the market share of the EP8. Shimano should of made 2 updates, 1for EP8 and 1 for EP801. But the update only brings the motor in line with what the Bosch motor already has. So Shimano playing catch up not exceeding the Bosch motor until they start winning the hill climb tests where ATM the come last.
Excellent...,, thank you!
This firmware update bricked my 2024 Canyon Spectral:On after installing over the air via e-tube. No solutions. Anybody else?
Shimano should update the EP8 motor too
Ruled out owning a Shimano motor when they accepted motor rattles and told people to just get used to it. They’re not getting my money with shit like that.
@brianbathgate4944 what rattle, on my second Shimano motor equiped Merida, never noticed it.
@@Thorold63 EP8 sounded like a bag of spanner’s mate. Not tried the 01, maybe they’ve improved over time
@@brianbathgate4944I put 4200 miles an a pivot shuttle LT with a ep8 and it never rattles, quieter than my friends Bosch as far as rattles go
Even the ep8 motor was intentional due to an essential part they put in. It's not because it's loose or anything. It doesn't impede funtion and on the ep801 doesn't have much sound at all
@@Eric-md7trYeah, that’s what I mean mate, it was intentional. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure they’re good motors, loads of top end bikes use it, I just wouldn’t buy one, it’s the intentional rattle that puts me off
Just get a bosch, much better unit after having both..
I think most shimano owners are hesitant to do any updates, as they lose ability to have a bike that doesn't throw an anchor off the bike once they hit an arbitrary limit, (that most of us can ride above fully natty), so while I agree updates are important, until we start seeing exploits targeting our ebike ecu's probably wont change much.
Having a few extra tq ft/lbs but losing a crappy speed limit just isn't worth it.
The battery life of shimano motors, compared with bosch is 25% less for the same Wh. With all this new upgrades i cannot imagine😂
@@pt0rres source ?
He is right. All my bike buddies ride a bosch motor and I am the one with my shimano which battery is flat first on big tours. Some of them have even less Wh and heavier bikes and have still more battery left at the end of a tour @@sebastiengiovannelli8556
Finaly Shimano understand what "Over run" means😂😂😂.
At the same time Bosch comes out whit a new engine.......🤔Interesting😅
Anyone know if there is now an app or update for the original Yamaha PWX motor? It would be great if it had a little bit of overrun as it cuts out very abruptly compared with newer motors. Other than that it's great.
Battery drain ,with the new update ?
I demod a Heckler with it and absolutely rinsed the battery in only 600m of climbing. It climbed at the 15mph limit with much less effort than an ep8 at 12mph.
I've just got back from Ard Rock on my new Merida eOne-sixty 875 with the update and it was brilliant. It's important to use a high cadence to get optimum power and performance and not try and grind a high gear.
Once apon a time everyone cmplained that eMTB's motors had overrun.
Yes, it felt unnatural but now it’s the rage… 😂
To me, it always felt weird I got used to it but never wanted to have more.
Overrun likely never had any effect on his hill climb test because it looked like he never stopped pedalling.
I have the ep8 version on my husky. So my question on my husky is Nul and void.
Why are used shimano motor e-bikes with fantastic components offered at such low mileage and price?
And why are the classifieds of the same bikes posted over and over without anyone buying them?
It's a Scooby-Doo-mystery!
Be good if they did thus for EP6 motors
So Shimano has finally added features that Polini have had since SEVEN YEARS ago?
Cutting edge stuff.
It’s a bit suspect!🤔 if the motor has this capability then why not just release it like that or are they over clocking the motor? I wouldn’t buy a bike with a shimano motor! So many great options available now with good after care and repairability! Shame motors don’t have standardised fitment!😏 that said I haven’t had one issue with my Bosch performance CX so would probably chose a bike with the same if I did upgrade!
Every ebike manufaturer is on the bandwagon of planned obsolescence. Ebikes are still in heavy R&D phase and we consumers are paying for being their guinea pigs. I have one ebike and that remains to be the last one until I see proper standardization of batteries, right to repair and frame mounts. One new hardware introduced, all older versions are obsolete.
"In association with Shimano" - sponsored ad LOL
This is a sponsored video but the update is completely free! What's not to like 👍
Fail if it doesn't include older motors. I guess they're hoping people jailbreak their bikes then they can refuse warranty/goodwill when (not if) the motors go...
Why isn't embn angry about this?
Emtbs have become more complicated than ever
OMG. Shimano have released a firmware update. Time for another infomercial...
Meanwhile, my Photon motor receives firmware updates regularly, and I have always been able to set almost every parameter by a bluetooth connected app. No need to actually go to a dealer WTF.
what about ep600
Eh ... pick your battles. 😂
EP8 update? Come on Shimano.
You will seriously lose future customers if you don’t do it.
lose vs loose
@@vashon100 Typo, my bad. Not everyone is from an English speaking country, so these things can happen a lot easier 😅
Still think Shimano should update the EP8. 😉
Great video, and great job Shimano!!! Yo Steve! What’s a “sganiffigant”? Thanks for the comic relief.🤙
I'm sorry , when I hear the word Shimano I think of the word unreliabe. I've have had so much trouble with EP8's (4of) this brand is dead to me!
So not road legal in the UK ?
It would appear they have made all these changes within the existing 85Nm/25kph limits, judging from the laptop screen in the shop.
Yes this is still with in the leagal UK/EU limits.
Yes completely road legal in the UK, the update has just changed the characteristics of the power delivery and overrun!
The bot accounts are out in force for this one.
They have lost me as a customer in regards to emtb motors. There lack of support for older motors. No interchangeability between motors .miles behind the 8ball compared to other motors.
Sound like you been smoking woodbines Steve 😁
EP8 owners et screwed over great, planned obsolescence on bikes now.
My next Emtb engine gona be a Bosch XS or this new CX, depending on weight diffrent between the CS and the new CX.
Shimano will be interesting when they get rid of there shit display and get it mounted into the fram that rest of all Emtb now had in many years.
What has hapen to the Japanese🤔, have they laid in several years Civid Coma🤔.
First I had a Shimano E8000 engine, now I have 2 pc Specialized SL 1.1, 1pc Shimano RS Ep8, and one Yamaha moro and their engine OBS no trimbox in en of this bikes😋
gonna vs gona, SX vs XS, difference vs diffrent, their vs there, frame vs fram, happen vs hapen, Covid vs Civid, etc
Cool : )
That’s not a big difference
Sounds like everyone with an EP801 was sold a beta product lol
.... everyone with an emtb is a beta version. Very little life in the technology on emtb's. Manufacturers are constantly bringing out completely new systems with older systems left without development or updates.