Can I make Titanium Damascus?
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
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It’s pretty special to be able to make this happen after all these years of wanting to try it. I’ve got huge respect for the inventors of the process and the time and effort they put into developing it and patenting it 20 years ago. I’m very excited to see what we can do with Titanium now that we can forge weld it! Maybe I’ll try a lower temperature next time though 😅😂🔥
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So this has been bothering me for a while, do you anneal and if not, why. surely that will help when the more delicate stiff snaps.
5:22 and 3:04 from “Making one piece stiletto dagger part 3” still warms my heart.
Please be careful, that was a close call with all that liquid molten titanium squeezing out towards you.
Sweet. So is there any update on getting the steam hammer connected to a steam boiler?
@@joshuabarron8535 He talks bout it a little on the bonus video on the website
In general, the only thing patents protect against, is commercial sale (in the country the patent was filed/claimed). Education is usually an allowed use, which this 100% would count as. Also, in order to get sued, you usually need to be risking cutting into their profits. Which means you'd need to producing a HUGE amount of titanium Damascus. Just showing how it's made doesn't matter. A patent is basically a recipe after all. And it's almost always a cease and desist first. Also suing a youtuber is a bad look because of audience size. 1 bad video will make a lot more headache for them, than you making a piece of titanium damascus.
To be clear, not a lawyer, but this has been the advice I've always been given by R&D professionals who bump into overlapping patents all the time.
All that to say, great video, thrilled it worked!
Edit: Used less firm language, as lawyers can sue for any reason. Doesn't mean they'd win, and they'll usually burn too much money suing you for it to be worth what they'll get back, so they don't. Also in academia, you use patented material all the time, regardless of the patent holder's wishes. Only time lawyers get involved is when whatever you made leaves the lab and enters the commercial market.
Yeah I'm like: does he even know what patents are for?
@@Michael-vi3txhe's a blacksmith, not a lawyer
@@dylangergutierrez true, but I'm not a lawyer either.
@@Michael-vi3tx You dont know what you dont know ?
also the fact that its a us patent and probably not enforceable in the uk
Man I remember watching the original attempt video, crazy it’s been 6 years!
Same!! Absolutely wild it's been that long
@@JamyRyals Thanks for sticking around for so long!!
Was that back when Sam the farrier was around??
No way was that 6 years ago..
i have been here since MAKING USA FLAG DAMASCUS STEEL!!! made in Nov 8, 2016
If the steel jacket did bond with the titanium you could make a beautiful and sturdy knife. Titanium doesn't have great edge retention in my experience so being able to add a high carbon/tool stool edge would go a long way to helping with that.
I always wanted a tool stool edge.
A steel layer for the edge jacked by another metal.
A san mai with good steel on the spine and edge with Titanium Damascus sides would look bad ass for sure.
Alas it was mild steel. But it would probably be easier to forge tool steel onto that surface than the titanium, seeing as our boy Alec has more experience with that.
And haters will say "oh I miss the day of actual bonkers forging" -- look at these bonkers videos as of late!! Titatiom Damascus? Yes please!
All my homies love Titatiom
@@Swagodactylluh
I might be wrong but even if something is patented, I think you can still recreate something you just can't sell it. Like think of the vice-grips series from a couple years back, I'm sure there's a patent on that design but there was no reason not to recreate it
It’s because they make money from their content that it’s classed as commercial use
Vise grips patent ran out.
Has the titanium patent run out?
@@scottsolar5884 yes the titanium patent ran out in 2023, it was brought up in the discord when the cast iron chips canister video released and after some digging and discussion about the educational use laws of it realised it was expired
There is also a bit of messy loophole. You can break a patent for personal use and sell the item when done with it.
@@Volt64bolt The originator of the patent would have to show they lost money from the video content.
Titanium Damascus.... Only one person would be hard enough to create this... ALEC "DAMASCUS" STEELE!
Middle name Damascus.
Other than the people who patented it, they were hard enough. I'm not saying it isn't cool, but credit where credits due.
Chuck Norris would look at it and it would create itself
some finnish artesan blacksmith made one jewel of a knife by laminating steel with titanium just recently
Saying that heat is everything needed to „colour“ the titanium with oxides, couldn‘t you use the Paragon heat treating oven to aim for very specific patterns/ colours? This could result in some insane builds :o
If you want a very specific color, anodizing is the way to go.
For Flow rates, in medicine. 2-5LPM is low flow or Normal. 6-10 is a medium flow, and anything above 10LPM is High flow, but when high flow is indicated we usually run up to 15LPM. Just a thought and maybe help on your flow rate decisions.
@@fyrdoc that’s really interesting to know! Thank you!
@@AlecSteele Make a preheat chamber for the gas so the heat on the inside is more even. You could also try plating the titanium with some other metal so it doesn't oxidise without the inert gas, or do it in vacuum. Use just two pieces to test, you can fold them later.
@@TheOriginalEviltech I'd like to know how you suggest running a forge “In a vacuum”???
@@savage6394 Induction forging.
I was gonna say the vague language was a bit suspicious (since the point of patents is to give all the details in exchange for legal protection from competition for a certain period), but that makes it seem more legit.
Electricity is the best way to color titanium, different voltages yield different colors. With a bench top power supply u can fine tune the exact color u want with the twist of a knob
while anodizing titanium is the best for getting specific colours, using heat allows for some nice gradients in the colouring, which is relatively hard using electricity.
not true with this kind of Tilam heat is the best way . Yes electricity is the best one one grade but not with multiple grades at the same time
In my experience you can get gradients by using low amperage. My grade 2 and 5 samples behave slightly differently under the same voltage and electrolyte concentration settings.
This is the reason I’m subscribed: i live for the experimental stuff.
After seeing those lines, a kris dagger made if titanium damascus would be INCREDIBLE.
100%! I love the experimental stuff. I think I first subscribed when Alec did the copper Damascus. Megumi something if memory serves.
A quick Wikipedia and I think it was Mokume-gane. I wasn't so far away.
@@duncanbrown4184 I love learning with him
The way that thing squeezed out of the Jacket like a pierced water balloon in a SmarterEveryDay video was terrifying.
3:05 Diddy hole omg yes lol😂😂
Diddy after locking all the doors at his party: 4:03
8:42 That also startled the crap out of me. I had no idea argon was inert; you learn something new everyday.
It's one of the noble gasses on the periodic table, for future reference to other gases that are also inert.
But I should clarify that any gas can be compressed within a sealed chamber, and that can still vent explosively.
Niobium foil as a solider between slice and closed canister!This way you are be able to weld titanium and steel togerher!
@@ИльяЗеленов-в4ж I’ve already got some on the way! Can’t wait to see what the possibilities are!!
Next time, spray white paint inside the canister. The titanium dioxide from the white paint prevents steel from sticking to the canister. ~Kevin
Slices of that block would make an AMAZING belt buckle.
Looking forward to see where this ends up! You could also try anodizing the titanium.
It's so great seeing Alec giddy and excited for a whole new realm of possibilities. I can see it now, "sharpest damascus titanium katana in the world" getting like 50M views lmao
This is surreal - I was literally telling my friend about timascus last night(I made his wedding ring) and now you upload this. So cool.
Can't wait to see you do more videos on this. Titanium is one of my favourite materials to work with, so I'm really keen to see what you'll do with it!
Still can't believe the process of doing this was something you could patent. We're going to do layered Damascus, but do so in a canister Damascus fashion... and for good measure we're going to weld together our metals in a way no one would every thing... but using inert gases to weld.
Patent Examiner: Looks good to me >STAMP
a patent can be granted for a novel workflow or process.
Forging damascus titanium in this way is (or was, at the time of the patent being granted) a novel workflow/process, even if the individual steps of the process are not new or unique. Thus, a patent was granted.
Could you try nickel - titanium ? It have super-elasticity properties
Talk about a crazy alloy.
@@theoangelini6834 I want to try that, as well as some other interesting combos! Can’t wait to see what’s possible.
Patents often don't include exact details or variations used in production, to make it harder to replicate, so things like holes/positions shown could well be non-optimal
This is the first video that I have clicked on in a long time not sure why but that titanium Damascus got me 👍👏
I'm not a patent lawyer, but I presumed you were allowed to produce something based upon an active patent, so long as you don't engage in commercial activity by selling it or distributing it. For instance, you should, in theory, be able to make something that is fully patent protected, show the process to people (since it's freely available on the patent database anyway), but you cannot sell or distribute the thing you've created.
I could be totally wrong, and I guess there's a whole lot of nuance involved, so yeah. If there are any patent lawyers on here, I'd love to be corrected!
Thanks for the vid Alec. 👊
Now this is something I'm hyped for.
If Alec can make something you can actualy use out of titanium damascus and give it those amazing colors... man I REALLY want to see that happen.
retention just from THAT moment gonna be fire
Every single Christmas as a small child I always asked for some CP grade 1 and 6AL4V titanium forge welded Damascus 👍
Imagine having a patent for beating metals together. Jeez, this world...
1:26 The emergency butter
WW2 is seared into the genetics of some Brits.
He may, unironically, actually have emergency butter.
Too cool! Can't wait for more! This subject really isn't covered anywhere this good! Beautiful video! ❤️
You can also get specific colours with certai voltages in a bath . Awesome vids as always
Can't wait to see what comes out of future videos. Looks epic.
3:00 - Diddy Hole..... 😬🙄
😂
I think titanium melts at like 1600-1700 which explains the expensive pudding cup. It melts a lot lower than what you harden most steels though. These metals are wild to do any work with. I don't know how normal it is but when I've seen it treated it usually comes out like 30-40 rc
This is very cool. The idea of cutting the billet into slices then cutting those slices into triangles or some shape then arranging them into unique patterns is really interesting. Also I'm sure you've seen those Counterstrike knives that have this coloration. Neat!
1:56 the way I instinctively puckered at that noise.
I would try to look up the cfh for Tig welding titanium and bring that up by a couple for the purge, also forgot to mention this on the magnesium video but Tig welding magnesium is possible, it's normally done as an AC process though
I'm already waiting for the next part of this series, I want to see what Alec makes out of this beautiful metal
Alec we love watching your videos because of who you are, you don't have to make videos that are hard to make and time consuming for you. The more of you the better the video
The result does look really cool. I look forward to you making some big project out of some pretty-colored titanium damascus (maybe a big ol' ceremonial sword?).
Omfg I'm so happy to see you working with pattern welded stuff again! I can't wait to see what you can come up with!
At 7:45 you've written ' Imrovement'
*Throws papers away*
"The sacred texts!!"
*Immediately picks them off the floor*
I do the same thing when I'm cooking...
stack the sheets together in a larger 8 inch long 4 inch wide 3/8 inch thick block shape, cut out some of the sheets on the outer end so that their are holes in them that create a jagged wood grain receptacle for the adjacent sheets to fill... optimally of the 3/8 inch thick box, 3 sheets inside of it. 1/8" outer case and 1/16" inner sheets the middle one being having a jagged simulated wood grain hole that the outer two forge into "use water jet cutter to make pre-planned out filler bits, thus leaving only one 1/16 size sheet forging... excessive twisting and da da da methods, use cut water jet to cut out patterns out of each kind of metal (less wasted material)"
The tempering oven is going to make that pop *beautifully*, Alec! Please make sure you show us the final product, whatever it becomes.
Now you could add a third color to a "regular" damascus billet! 😍
Alec is the only UA-camr I know of to regularly advertise Square Space. He might just be the only one still sponsored by them xD
Probably should build a poly shield for the press. Just in case it wants to shoot back at you next time. It'll only get your arms instead of your whole body.
There is a book that has recipes for making Damascus out of many different materials. It includes which gas to use, temperatures, alloys, etc. Mokume Gane by Ian Ferguson - published in 2002, but you can still find it today.
Doing Schlenk chemistry in a forge... I guess it is the obvious answer to titanium burning white hot if you heat it in air, but I'm amazed nonetheless.
Beautiful colours and contrast. Raindrop Damascus with that billet would be 🔥
I’ve been waiting since I saw ur can I forge titanium vid only you could make this happen and thank you as ur one of the reason I started blacksmithing and knife making
You could potentially use that melting as part of the process to get even crazier patterns than otherwise possible. Let it partially melt mid-forging, and then let the soft, hot metal ooze around as you apply the hammer pressure.
I MAKE A TITANIUM DAMASCUS SABER - 34 part series incoming 😂
Can't wait. A saber guard in this Damascus would be awesome!
Holy Jesus .... I totally jumped almost out of my seat... seeing that first strike of the hammer...
Crikey.... that was totally crazy..
I love the exitement of this video Alec. Its been a While since i've seen you so happy with a forging project. I'm down for the ride with this
I can't believe these, I mentioned timascus 3 weeks ago on the magnesium rod video.
if you put the abrasive disc in a chop saw. you could cut that brick into a bunch of 3mm thick slices. could make some sweet key chains, pendants or other cool things!
The classical music in the background at the beginning was a nice touch
"And one Diddy hole"😳😳🤣🤣😂😂
now THIS is going to become a CRAZY series i am looking so forward
It's funny how the reaction to titanium shavings catching fire depends on the profession: Metalworkers take it as a huge danger, pyrotechnics and they are the safest thing you can let even a baby hold. Well, not exactly, the cold spark powder is titanium, zirconium and titanium dioxide, but basicly it produces extremely bright spray of burning titanium that cannot even discolor paper with its heat.
Keep going! You are always pushing the envelope and expanding the frontier of whats out there. Congrats!
I love seeing Alec excited. If he is excited; you know it has to be good.
Absolutely loved the colours, looking forward to next one.
You know you are pushing the boundaries when you start breaking things you've never broken before. This is awesome!!!
Man, I love seeing you get back to your roots a bit by just asking if you can do something and then trying.
1:51 "what the dog doing"
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Sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar. May providence be with you.
Now for a 42 part series were you make a gold titanium damascus with platinum inlays and gemstones all brought to us by square space.
I would love to see some wild / raindrop damascus in titanium. Might be able to make it into an nice knife handle or handlescales.
11:37 and that's where plumbus are made
The coloring of the oxidation layers at least at the beginning is related to how thick it is. You can actually tell the thickness of a very thin layer like that by the color. of course once it becomes thicker the actual properties the oxide has take over.
Steel sparks : Yellow to orange.
Titanium sparks : Blinding white with possibly a hint of light blue.
Slightly reduce the temperature. About 40°F lower should be good.
Well this is a brand new fantastic venture. Well rewind the clock 10 years and restart every project in titanium Damascus. To the next 10 years of exciting projects!!
now this is the video i always wanted to see
Genuinely excited to see what you're able to make with this material omfg
This is VERY promising! How about a titanium damascus scimitar? Or one of the mythological weapons that were used by the Greek gods to subdue the Titans?
YUUUUS, FIRE, STEEL, FORGE, RAAAAAH
I want to see a knife with a titanium core and tool steel edges!
Edit: better yet , titanium Damascus core with a hard steel Damascus strip making the edge!
We need some good museum grade extra fancy swords. Been too long without some awesome 100 million layer twisted damascus viking katanas!
I would love to see a mosaic timasc decorative piece or even a blade. I know titanium isn't amazing for a knife but it would be soooo pretty
Now I want to make a knife and put titanium Damascus scales on it! The ultimate camp knife handle scales if you ask me.
Would love to see you build a high end folding knife with the titanium Damascus for the scales and hardware love the content keep it up
A titanium Karambit would be awesome! Bring it back to the early days of the channel!
For your small parts storage you could use a 3d printer to make dividers or little boxes that fit in those drawers. Much less expensive than buying those storage bins for their drawers. Then you could use the printer to make objects for molds?
The point of the gas is to disperse O2 and prevent oxidisation, so long as you have it on far a while to flush out the O2, you just need to have a positive pressure in the billet and no more will get in. Its like any O2 will be trying to swim up stream
I was told once that titanium and platinum make a really fantastic Damascus. Not necessarily for a knife but visually really awesome.
I have an idea for a video, that you may fancy: try to reduce forge scale will aluminum (using thermite reaction), to get steel and make something out of it. All you need is scale (iron oxide) ground down to a powder, aluminum powder and a source of carbon (charcoal powder) to make the ingot steel not iron. Could be cool. You could make one out of plain carbon steel and another with added nickel, and make damascus out of the two! Veritasium has a cool video on the thermite reaction you could look up as a start.
1:27 - So i went and ordered all of this. 3 sticks of butter. Butter and titanium damascus babyyy
🤘👍. Looks great. Love the colours.
You are planning to try anodizing the timascus as well, right (a huge variety of additional colors available)? Glorious work so far!
Would love to see Alec make a phone-sized slab of titanium damascus.
Would look sick as a decorative piece.
Would also be an amazing phone case if they could CNC mill it, and if they could try folding it rather than laminating
That flesh melting silly string was a bit of a surprise 😂
Чуваку с камерой по гениталиям пинка - чтобы камерой не дергал.
For brazing copper while purging the inside of oxygen we use nitrogen at less than 1 psi. In refrigeration it’s important to not have scale inside the copper.
ahahah alec can't think in metric anymore, noice, score one for the colonies!
As Explosions&Fire will tell you: actually setting bulk titanium alight and causing a serious metal fire is surprisingly difficult.
Clicked for the beautiful colours, stayed for Jamie scaring the pants off of Alec.
You gotta make something out of it now, the edc world has been using it for pocket knife clips, thumb studs ,pens ,etc for a long time now. Id love to see what you could make