I dont think they magically got their integrity back. I think theyre probably pulling at heart strings as you probably feel a certain way about the war going on. I think its probably propaganda made to make us feel a certain way lol. You just gotta take things with a grain of salt and understand theyre still bad journalists at vice making things to try and sway thoughts of younger people.
@@wanderingsonBro I’m neutral on this and don’t buy into the propaganda like most westerners, I even support the Russians mission in the east of Donetsk. But having a pfp of Putin and trying to back pedal the video evidence is a bit wild
@@wanderingsonAnd I agree that anything Vice News needs to be taken with a grain of salt. It is extremely biased and if you realize that before you start the video it helps a lot more.
@@wanderingson Did Russia/Putin Progozhin deny that Wagner was a part of Russia's military prior to 2021? Yes or no? Were the people in the video wearing "Je Suis Wagner" Tshirts? What's your source for news? RT? June 27, 2023 "'We fully financed this group,' Russian president says. The Wagner Group is fully funded by the Kremlin and received tens of billions of rubles in public money over the past year, Russia's President Vladimir Putin said"
@@LordDirus007no they weren’t Donetsk peoples republic wasn’t Wagner those were actually separatist we see both of them on the field Wagner (Russia little green men) better equipped etc the separatist would have civil clothing with rusty AKs some of them were fat of skinny you can tell they had zero combat experience
Wagner wasn’t the first way during the second invasion they were stationed in Donetsk the Chechen army was the first wave along with the main Russian army
@@LordDirus007 no there were definitely pro-Russian/Seperatist Ukrainians (that consider themselves Russian, but live within Ukraine). Wagner and separatists have definitely worked together on occasion though, but they are not one in the same. Of course Pro-Russian seperatists are a small minority, I'm not claiming half the country is pro-Russia.
I don't understand. The guy clearly told her at about 28:35 to cut out the part of the rebel leader speaking about Wagner because he can come into trouble, but she did not cut it out, deliberately putting the guys life in danger.
They threw a journalist in Africa , it might have been the CAR actually , out of his window over a balcony for reporting on Wagner . I’m not surprised he’s nervous
That’s what I’m saying! That dude looks like he kills several people a week. He looks constantly ready to jump up and just hammer someone’s face in. I hope the lawyer is okay. I have a suspicion he had some hard times after that. If he is still walking this earth. Or can walk anymore for that matter.
Yeah, they're trying to get back to where they once were, but unfortunately for them it's too little too late. These kinda documentaries would easily get millions, sometimes tens of millions of views, and now they only get a small fraction of that ... When a company caters to the vocal minority and ignores 90% of their customers, that's what happens. Disney is going through the same thing. It's why corporations shouldn't get involved in politics.
Sure, but who tf can read subtitles that fast and also see what is being shown on the screen. I love Vice, but c'mon, this is ridiculous to try to watch without pausing every five seconds.
Zero criticism of the US empire, US regime change, resource theft, murder, arms sales. Wagner is doing nothing different than Black Water or the United States of America. I wonder why Africa is open arms to partnerships with China and Russia. Because they have been screwed by the west.
@@originalthundercat4295 all humans do it’s nature to defend yourself animals do it all the time, it’s unnatural to lay down and let yourself get killed or beaten
Uhm, i see these comments on every serious documentary they make. This type of content never stopped, just like every outlet they have their opinion pieces and yellow journalism. Its a huge company
Yeah. Vice News has been doing good reporting for years even if they're often clearly from a left wing perspective. I think a lot of these comments are just from people who think any story critical of conservatives or right wing politics is "fake news" even if its just as accurate as their less political content. Also, VIce never "went woke" they've been "woke" forever, long before it was repurposed as a meaningless snarl word. And going broke isn't really a thing, "woke" corporations do it because its profitable. If it was actually costing them money then movie studios, tech companies, big brands, etc wouldn't be doing it -- some individuals in the company might care, but as a whole corporations are basically uncaring automatons driven by profit and can't actually give a damn about social issues outside of whether it can make them money: its performative. If pandering to bigots made them more money, the abstract forces of profit motive animating the company would lead to the firing of anyone being "woke" and it would pander to bigots instead, just look at most of the 20th century. But culture, society changes and its now unprofitable. @@lukegaming86
Extremely well made. It’s these types of reports that put Vice above the rest. Incredible you could get embedded with Wagner Africa. I have so much respect for the reporter not letting up on hard hitting questions, knowing it very much put her in danger. And to me it looks like that Wagner commander would not have a problem personally erasing her. She is Fearless.
It was all propaganda. The Russians surely checked over her footage before letting her leave. These guys want to seem ruthless. It's all they have left after Ukraine kicked them out of the capitol with a small under funded military.
I swear every other video I hear people saying this is the old vice I missed, but to me their documentaries about foreign conflicts and war zones has always been consistently good. Sure they dabbled in weird videos about influencers in LA, but none of their serious reporters associate with their buzzfeed style videos. An organization like vice has many styles and fields of reporting without much overlap, so that’s why quality can vary so severely.
It's because their MONEY was being bought for POLITICAL BIAS that they went bankrupt but THESE videos generate real money for them, so they're going back to making what they HAVE been known for making
“Dabbled” ?? Are you serious their whole channel used to be videos like this now maybe a couple times a year you see good conflict documentaries . Do you remember when Russia first invaded Crimea that Simon guy had like a 70-80 part documentary series on the conflict ?? And then he was himself kidnapped because the Russians saw it . That was 2014 ish . Warlords of Liberia . All these are old classic documentaries . Even why we fight about the afghan war that only shows the ANA getting high while usa troops are like wtf is even going on. Now a days it’s like , why is white milk racist ? Why is Trump the biggest threat to McDonald’s ? Why does Mitch McConnell look like a turtle ? The only way you can truly believe this is if you weren’t acrually around in Vices golden age . Because if you were you’d know that 80% of what they put out is junk compared to back then. Why do you think they went bankrupt ? They built their media empire on these types or documentaries and when it changed so did the value of the company. THEY WENT BANKRUPT FOR CHRIST SAKE
This is the VICE style I fell in love with almost a decade ago! I’m sure thousands of people would agree. I love how there is no use of left or right western political biases that we all see in other documentaries for similar global issues. This is raw, talented journalism, amazing editing and storytelling, and most of all - taking risks in conflict areas to tell a powerful story. Amazing work! 👏
They always do great, when it's not focused in the US. If it's in the US, then they cover it exactly like every other left wing mainstream media would. I'm neither on the left or the right though, I hate them pretty equally. I wish they made a separate channel for US topics. Make this one VICE international.
That’s a ridiculous assertion. Thousands of docs about all topics both right and left that are not biased. of You just don’t want to hear the truth when it comes to what’s happening on the right or the left. Also u don’t want to hear anything about what’s going on in the US and just want to hear about the EVILS outside of our country.
@@MrCRASHERXDNo, it is a sacred solar symbol that is very capacious in its meaning. It is an Old Slavic sign that signifies the process of destroying everything hostile, old and false, and the power and will to renew and reborn. This is a traditional symbol of Ukrainians and some other ethnic groups, which for a long time was the exclusive attribute of priests. And only later it was massively used as a pagan sign to help people survive hard times. That is why in Ukraine it is used as a talisman, not as a Nazi symbol, especially since there are almost no problems with Nazism in Ukraine and they are much less than in many other countries
@@tomtoms3442, russian here. Me, as a someone who taught history, including the history of slavs, very well, can tell you, that the symbol you see on the arm of the armed guy is a Sonnenrad (Black Sun), a symbol, heavily promoted by the Third Reich and used by them (Example: search for "SS-Generals' hall" in Wewelsburg). The slav symbol that portrays the sun is called "Kolovrat" (Коловрат) and has a completely different picture. FYI, either sonnenrad and kolovrat are used by the nationalists throughout Russia, Ukraine and Belarus in the name of fight against immigrants and those they consider their enemies. Trust me, every citizen of Ukraine, Russia or Belarus will tell you about the real situation with nationalism and nazism in their country and the worst situation since 2000's was in Ukraine, where whole military units adopted nationalism and nazism as part of their in-unit culture. Search for such units as "Azov", "Tornado", they were deeply connected to extremism. And lemme tell you, I dont deny nationalism among russian troops, it is something that exist, but not something that is considered to be a nationwide problem. Treat this very symbol/patch on the hand of a ukrainian soldier as a proof that ukrainian army is not as white and democratic as western media wants you to see it. All of us have problems, journalists just make them 100 times worse.
People somehow still see prigozhin as the creator and leader of Wagner lol utkin founded it and some of the main leaders of Wagner are ex KGB members prigozhin was simply the “face” of Wagner he didn’t even had any military background which is why when he did what he did many of the fighters didn’t follows his orders lol
@@moneydroplobby5059 Utkin was on the same plane as Prigozhin was on, alongside some other leadership as well. So effectively leadership was wiped out in a single get go.
Former rebel slipped up and said "Wagner". Second guy asked her to cut that part out for his own safety. She still keeps that part in the video. If something happened to that man, it's on Vice
"It's better if you take this out, he could be in a lot of trouble." -- Vice keeps it in. Real care for the locals who are obviously being forced to choose silver or lead.
If he was going to be harmed for saying what was plainly on their shirts then he was toast anyway. At least this way the rest of the world gets the story as a precautionary tale.
26:00 I felt like when he asked the laywer who he felt would kill him, that the unspoken truth was that he was literally asking the lawyer "After you just embarrassed us in front of the western media, who would you suggest I send to your home tonight to come and kill you?" And the way the other africans in the room stared him down as if to say "Not now, we agree but you're going to get us shot." The way the mercenary glances at the camera, trying to find a way to communicate the severity of his anger in a coded way. Perhaps I'm overthinking it, but there appears to be layers to this interaction.
That's how I read the situation too. I wonder if the local interpreter was trying to explain to Vitali that he's a lawyer as a way to dismiss him as someone they need to worry about since the legal system of the CAR is practically non-existent. I felt like it all depended on what VICE would publish, so now I fear he is in danger (if he hasn't already been threatened or disappeared)
Hat's off to y'all for this piece. Gotta do more in depth stuff like the old school days more. Plus, y'all shined light on alot of vital information imo! 👍
Nothing new here. Independent news channels have been covering all of this months and years ago. Zero criticism of US empire in this piece. Zero information about US regime change, resource theft, arms deals, murder. Wagner is exactly the same as Black Water and the CIA.
Africa is open arms to China and Russia because they have been screwed over by the United States of America and the west. The world is changing and leaving us behind. VICE is mainstream bought out media.
@@big2753What objective can they possibly be pushing here? Wagner is not a good group. There are videos of Wagner mercs brutally killing people all over the world. They are literally known for using sledgehammers to kill people.
@@bobert6259That’s his point. That hard hitting long-form documentaries are Vice’s bread and butter and are more profitable. It was the more comedic stuff like one-star reviews that they have scaled back on in favor of this kind of content as they’ve gone through bankruptcy.
CNN is profitable, Fox News is profitable, nyt has to cut staff, vox relies on donations, and Bloomberg and wsj rely on investors who rely on their services. Reporting on UA-cam alone is…
Just look at this way man. The new vice, as you probably have in your head, exists because of a simple fact: no one really pays for journalism anymore. If say, everyone that enjoyed Vice payed $10-20 a month, they could focus on just this material. But because no wants to pay, they have to make tons of clickbaity content that someone like you probably call woke. The clicks then let Vice charge advertisers the money they need to produce pieces like this. They still out stuff like this, never stopped. Just keep in mind that your unwillingness to pay along with most other ppl is why Vice needs to make way more trash than treasure in order to still try to stay afloat.
@@globaladdict who’s to say I don’t pay? I’ve donated a couple of times via their website, I think you should go find someone else to try to talk “facts” to cause it isn’t me lol I bet you’ve never donated, I grew up watching vice since day 1 in fact the only news source I ever used for a long time was vice, and you can say it’s because people don’t pay and blah blah blah but the fact of the matter is they have to create click bait content to attract the younger generations, and even then I’m not saying that vice hasn’t been doing a good job cause they’ve been making do however all I’m saying is work like this isn’t that common in vice news like it used to be 👏🏻
Your first mistake is looking for ANY kind of intellectual discussion in a UA-cam comment section. Even if you do find someone to have a real conversation with. UA-cam will arbitrarily censor and remove half of it. There’s no point anymore. Which seems to be by design. Remove even the POTENTIAL for middle ground.
Great work. We need more of this type of fact seeking journalism. Asking the right questions, allowing the story to unfold without bias. Really enjoyed this particular subject and would love to see more from Vice in the future.
There is a lot of Bias, is just that it goes with the propaganda you have, or is more subtle. For example, when they talk about the Ukrainian captured Wagner prisioner, she doesn't ask how Ukraine is treating him, but talked about how he "defected". Then, when talking about the Wagner captured Ukrainian soldier, his first question was about torture are more. The idea there is obvious
Vice PLEASE go back to making this kind of content! Incredible geopolitical content that cannot be found anywhere else. I'd pay for a constant stream of this. Also anyone got an ID on Col. Kiri's fit? 👀
This is some of the best news I’ve watched in a long time. I remeber watching the Russian Roulette series and now watching this it really brought me back. I love this and it really inspires me to take up journalism as a minor.
@@RAIDENCHEEKS lot more then 20 baby… Russia created a award for those who survived…. Over 100 killed and 200 wounded on the russians side… and not a single American was even injured….
Excellent Journalism! You could feel the tension in the air when the captured soldier said they surrendered to "Wagner". This gave me older Vice vibes, which to me is a compliment!
38:40 Hilarious. Feel bad for this sales rep, for not having taken a course in "lawyer talk" from his Alma Mater. I loved all of his awkward responses, since he seemed to have a "knowing" tone in his voice, like everything that was coming out of his mouth was 110% military industrial complex bullshit, and he's somehow a middle man to all this stupid crap. Then his boss came along and ruined it all like a Japanese boss. "Why can't you answer vaguely?"
При штурме нефтезавода со стороны Вагнера неверно были отценены возможности американцев. По какой то непонятной причине они не учли что, у американцев есть поддержка с воздуха. В течении всего штурма около 3х часов Американцы ОЧЕНЬ ДОЛГО И МНОГО РАЗ связывались с командованием армии России и после очередного ответа "в этой зоне отсутствует армия России" вызвали поддержку с воздуха и разыграли пьесу по американскому учебнику. Это было больно
One big mistake at 35:00: "trying to overthrow Putin" No, Prigozhin wanted to replace the head of the ministry of defence, he had no gripes with Putin himself.
@@chrischrin Putin isn't connected to military as much as minister of the MOD Shoigu or general staff of the MOD Gerasimov. There are speculations about who may had done it and there are several theories about levels of relations of these 3 aforementioned people. Judging from any side it is not known WHO actually was to benefit from Prigozhin's death the most, so it's wrong to assume straightly that it was in interests of Putin to commit assasination on his one of the most useful and valuable assets
I’m glad to see that a lot of this focused on CAR and their clients in Africa. The stories from Ukraine and the mutiny/Prigozhin’s death aren’t news to most people, but CAR is already a place your average westerner knows little about. I’m surprised at some of the stuff you had access to…think I’m most surprised they let those guys wear “je suis Wagner” shirts, with the whole “Russian instructors” thing to try to have some thin screen of plausible deniability.
At the start of the video the narrator says that they were deployed in Ukraine in 2014 and then 2 minutes after she says that Wagner was deployed in Ukraine after the "Russian army was depleted" this is hilarious.
Great video! I was captivated by the story of Wagner especially when they marched toward Moscow damn near unpeeded to suddenly calling it off and walking away a free man to then prigozhyn eventually being murdered in his plane...crazy story
An important reminder that real journalism is one of the most important professions on the planet...Vice is one of the only story-tellers out there willing to get inside the story, itself, for it's own sake.
Prigozhin was not the founder nor the leader of Wagner. Utkin was the founder and he’s one of the main leaders of the organization itself many of them being ex KGB members prigozhin was literally just the face of Wagner that’s it lol
Wagner is not a mercenary group, which implies they work for any nationality of the highest bid, rather it is the Russian equivalent of the French Foreign Legion. In fact, many of its members are Russians who left the French Foreign Legion to fight in their country's own equivalent once it existed.
I agree with what you are saying about them not being a traditional PMC group. They are basically a shadow group that Putin could use to progress and protect Russian interests. By calling themselves PMC’s, if they mess up Russia is not held accountable because they are not part of the Russian military. They do 100% of Putin’s bidding. They are basically another arm of the Russian government that can project plausible deniability. But I must disagree that they are somehow similar to the French Foreign Legion. The Legion is under direct command of the French military. Their existence is acknowledged. Their missions are insanely dangerous but at the end of the day they are a soldier in the French military. Wagner is not considered to be part of the Russian military.
Title says "Inside Wagner..." but we never get to see that. But we get to hear (not see) some voices talking about how Wagner did this and that. Impeccable journalism.
What are you talking about? They literally embedded for a time with the "Russian Instructors" (Wagner) in CAR. You can see they were speaking with head of operations there and the deception/misdirection they were using to hide the crimes they had allegedly committed. Obviously there was anonymity with some of the people speaking out as they rightfully feared for their wellbeing had their claims been attributed to their names. Regardless, you also saw the lawyer who spoke out directly to the leader's face, and he was quick to take back his words after some further questioning.
@@jamiemonroe4144 Still it's outside Wagner. Journalist only gets to talk to the representative guy, not the actual fighters and conditions they live in. Asking a shady security company member have they committed any war crimes - No we totally didn't. In fact we were never there. We're not even here right now. As I said, impeccable journalism.
This is the vice I remember watching ~10 years ago. I want more solid journalism with integrity as it's centerpiece.
Before it turned into a liberal propaganda machine
For real this is amazing, now they just get too political
I dont think they magically got their integrity back.
I think theyre probably pulling at heart strings as you probably feel a certain way about the war going on.
I think its probably propaganda made to make us feel a certain way lol.
You just gotta take things with a grain of salt and understand theyre still bad journalists at vice making things to try and sway thoughts of younger people.
They actually listen to their viewers
Like when they did one on Azov battalion and called it a white nationalist militia and Ukraine the capital of neo Nazis
Russian strategists: DOn't tell them you're working for Wagner
Also Russian strategists: Here wear this shirts that say "I'm Wagner"
@@wanderingson Pay attention it was IN THE VIDEO..
western media: here's two things that don't make sense
western midwits: I believe it... I are smart and russia is dum dum
@@wanderingsonBro I’m neutral on this and don’t buy into the propaganda like most westerners, I even support the Russians mission in the east of Donetsk. But having a pfp of Putin and trying to back pedal the video evidence is a bit wild
@@wanderingsonAnd I agree that anything Vice News needs to be taken with a grain of salt. It is extremely biased and if you realize that before you start the video it helps a lot more.
@@wanderingson Did Russia/Putin Progozhin deny that Wagner was a part of Russia's military prior to 2021? Yes or no? Were the people in the video wearing "Je Suis Wagner" Tshirts?
What's your source for news? RT?
June 27, 2023 "'We fully financed this group,' Russian president says. The Wagner Group is fully funded by the Kremlin and received tens of billions of rubles in public money over the past year, Russia's President Vladimir Putin said"
Wagner wasnt called in "after the russian military was depleated". Wagner was among the very first wave that went into Ukraine
Yup, going back to 2014
Yeah Wagner was in Ukraine before the war even started. The "Pro Russian Separatist" were just Wagner guys.
@@LordDirus007no they weren’t Donetsk peoples republic wasn’t Wagner those were actually separatist we see both of them on the field Wagner (Russia little green men) better equipped etc the separatist would have civil clothing with rusty AKs some of them were fat of skinny you can tell they had zero combat experience
Wagner wasn’t the first way during the second invasion they were stationed in Donetsk the Chechen army was the first wave along with the main Russian army
@@LordDirus007 no there were definitely pro-Russian/Seperatist Ukrainians (that consider themselves Russian, but live within Ukraine). Wagner and separatists have definitely worked together on occasion though, but they are not one in the same. Of course Pro-Russian seperatists are a small minority, I'm not claiming half the country is pro-Russia.
I don't understand. The guy clearly told her at about 28:35 to cut out the part of the rebel leader speaking about Wagner because he can come into trouble, but she did not cut it out, deliberately putting the guys life in danger.
journalism :(
@@michaeloconnell7274 exactly. For a pulitzer prize even journalists stop caring about a guy`s life.
the price of truth
i think we all know he was dead before this came out
Получаеться надо журналистов сразу разворачивать?
Wow. Vice is really back at it. Amazing production.
The part where that lawyer from CAR spoke up about killings and then immediately rescinded his comment was tense.
You know he got executed
They threw a journalist in Africa , it might have been the CAR actually , out of his window over a balcony for reporting on Wagner . I’m not surprised he’s nervous
“ so you are scared of who? Me?!”
That moment when he asked the lawyer who would execute him was chilling. Looking for how much he knew
That’s what I’m saying! That dude looks like he kills several people a week. He looks constantly ready to jump up and just hammer someone’s face in. I hope the lawyer is okay. I have a suspicion he had some hard times after that. If he is still walking this earth. Or can walk anymore for that matter.
@@Grape59735 they conveniently forgot to touch on Ukraine's connections to white nationalists and self-proclaimed "nazis," such as the azov battalion
@@annunakigaming2207Vice has numerous videos about that bro lol. This video isn't abt Ukraine
@@annunakigaming2207The video is about wagner, not ukraine.
@@annunakigaming2207 That's literally not what the video is about or even relevant, but okay, lmao.
I love those longer, deeper researched reports from VICE. You do good, VICE!
Yeah, they're trying to get back to where they once were, but unfortunately for them it's too little too late. These kinda documentaries would easily get millions, sometimes tens of millions of views, and now they only get a small fraction of that ... When a company caters to the vocal minority and ignores 90% of their customers, that's what happens. Disney is going through the same thing. It's why corporations shouldn't get involved in politics.
They're paying the cost of their woke bullshit. And now are owned by a Saudi. Get entertainment from these videos but by no means believe anything
@topspot4834 in the words of Michelle Jordan Republicans buy shoes too
Sure, but who tf can read subtitles that fast and also see what is being shown on the screen. I love Vice, but c'mon, this is ridiculous to try to watch without pausing every five seconds.
Zero criticism of the US empire, US regime change, resource theft, murder, arms sales. Wagner is doing nothing different than Black Water or the United States of America. I wonder why Africa is open arms to partnerships with China and Russia. Because they have been screwed by the west.
He never once tried to overthrow Putin and even said he only wanted to remove the ministry of defense
19 years in prison for what seems like a self defense stabbing is insanity to me as an American
No everyone has the right to self defense
@@originalthundercat4295 all humans do it’s nature to defend yourself animals do it all the time, it’s unnatural to lay down and let yourself get killed or beaten
@@ZetsuboNoShima and some countries put you in prison for 19 years for that
Remember that he can also lie
You don't know all aspects of case. Keep doing fast decisions. You guys so good at it.
You can tell the instructor in Congo is a ruthless leader that stares cold as ice
Wow, this reminds me of when Vice use to do real journalism. More this Vice!
Uhm, i see these comments on every serious documentary they make. This type of content never stopped, just like every outlet they have their opinion pieces and yellow journalism. Its a huge company
Yeah i agree You gotta give them Credit when it is due. Maybe they learned their lesson about Getting Woke and Going Broke. Good Job VICE
Yeah. Vice News has been doing good reporting for years even if they're often clearly from a left wing perspective. I think a lot of these comments are just from people who think any story critical of conservatives or right wing politics is "fake news" even if its just as accurate as their less political content.
Also, VIce never "went woke" they've been "woke" forever, long before it was repurposed as a meaningless snarl word. And going broke isn't really a thing, "woke" corporations do it because its profitable. If it was actually costing them money then movie studios, tech companies, big brands, etc wouldn't be doing it -- some individuals in the company might care, but as a whole corporations are basically uncaring automatons driven by profit and can't actually give a damn about social issues outside of whether it can make them money: its performative. If pandering to bigots made them more money, the abstract forces of profit motive animating the company would lead to the firing of anyone being "woke" and it would pander to bigots instead, just look at most of the 20th century. But culture, society changes and its now unprofitable. @@lukegaming86
They never stopped.
2 minutes in and the Ukranians are speaking perfect fluent russian😂
Extremely well made. It’s these types of reports that put Vice above the rest. Incredible you could get embedded with Wagner Africa. I have so much respect for the reporter not letting up on hard hitting questions, knowing it very much put her in danger. And to me it looks like that Wagner commander would not have a problem personally erasing her. She is Fearless.
It was all propaganda. The Russians surely checked over her footage before letting her leave. These guys want to seem ruthless. It's all they have left after Ukraine kicked them out of the capitol with a small under funded military.
They drop one good doc every once in awhile as opposed to back in the day it was every video.
Or stupid
FYI , Vice fired this team.
@@Invertmini1212look man I’ll take the occasional old style good vid. It’s still better than most other media groups.
This brings me back to the Vice of 10 years ago. Fantastic work.
Vice making good content again. Great Video
I swear every other video I hear people saying this is the old vice I missed, but to me their documentaries about foreign conflicts and war zones has always been consistently good. Sure they dabbled in weird videos about influencers in LA, but none of their serious reporters associate with their buzzfeed style videos. An organization like vice has many styles and fields of reporting without much overlap, so that’s why quality can vary so severely.
Because UA-cam comments is everyone regurgitating what the top comment(s) say.
It's because their MONEY was being bought for POLITICAL BIAS that they went bankrupt but THESE videos generate real money for them, so they're going back to making what they HAVE been known for making
Vice turned into straight up leftist propaganda for awhile
No they're Left of Lennon when they cover US issues.
“Dabbled” ?? Are you serious their whole channel used to be videos like this now maybe a couple times a year you see good conflict documentaries .
Do you remember when Russia first invaded Crimea that Simon guy had like a 70-80 part documentary series on the conflict ?? And then he was himself kidnapped because the Russians saw it . That was 2014 ish . Warlords of Liberia . All these are old classic documentaries . Even why we fight about the afghan war that only shows the ANA getting high while usa troops are like wtf is even going on.
Now a days it’s like , why is white milk racist ? Why is Trump the biggest threat to McDonald’s ? Why does Mitch McConnell look like a turtle ?
The only way you can truly believe this is if you weren’t acrually around in Vices golden age . Because if you were you’d know that 80% of what they put out is junk compared to back then.
Why do you think they went bankrupt ? They built their media empire on these types or documentaries and when it changed so did the value of the company. THEY WENT BANKRUPT
FOR CHRIST SAKE
This is the VICE style I fell in love with almost a decade ago! I’m sure thousands of people would agree. I love how there is no use of left or right western political biases that we all see in other documentaries for similar global issues. This is raw, talented journalism, amazing editing and storytelling, and most of all - taking risks in conflict areas to tell a powerful story. Amazing work! 👏
Vice is definitely biased , i wonder sometimes if it’s run by cia
They always do great, when it's not focused in the US. If it's in the US, then they cover it exactly like every other left wing mainstream media would. I'm neither on the left or the right though, I hate them pretty equally.
I wish they made a separate channel for US topics. Make this one VICE international.
You’re not going to get a thousand likes. Go to sleep dude!
@@Jason-ty4oj Organic likes? Never. Bot likes? Probably
That’s a ridiculous assertion. Thousands of docs about all topics both right and left that are not biased. of You just don’t want to hear the truth when it comes to what’s happening on the right or the left. Also u don’t want to hear anything about what’s going on in the US and just want to hear about the EVILS outside of our country.
I like the guy off camera thinking he wouldn't be translated 🤭 always a classic
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11:19
Uh oh. That's an interesting patch there buddy.
The Black Sun nazi symbol
@@MrCRASHERXDNo, it is a sacred solar symbol that is very capacious in its meaning. It is an Old Slavic sign that signifies the process of destroying everything hostile, old and false, and the power and will to renew and reborn. This is a traditional symbol of Ukrainians and some other ethnic groups, which for a long time was the exclusive attribute of priests. And only later it was massively used as a pagan sign to help people survive hard times. That is why in Ukraine it is used as a talisman, not as a Nazi symbol, especially since there are almost no problems with Nazism in Ukraine and they are much less than in many other countries
@@tomtoms3442 the cope grind never stops, I see.
Based patch
@@tomtoms3442, russian here. Me, as a someone who taught history, including the history of slavs, very well, can tell you, that the symbol you see on the arm of the armed guy is a Sonnenrad (Black Sun), a symbol, heavily promoted by the Third Reich and used by them (Example: search for "SS-Generals' hall" in Wewelsburg). The slav symbol that portrays the sun is called "Kolovrat" (Коловрат) and has a completely different picture.
FYI, either sonnenrad and kolovrat are used by the nationalists throughout Russia, Ukraine and Belarus in the name of fight against immigrants and those they consider their enemies. Trust me, every citizen of Ukraine, Russia or Belarus will tell you about the real situation with nationalism and nazism in their country and the worst situation since 2000's was in Ukraine, where whole military units adopted nationalism and nazism as part of their in-unit culture. Search for such units as "Azov", "Tornado", they were deeply connected to extremism. And lemme tell you, I dont deny nationalism among russian troops, it is something that exist, but not something that is considered to be a nationwide problem.
Treat this very symbol/patch on the hand of a ukrainian soldier as a proof that ukrainian army is not as white and democratic as western media wants you to see it. All of us have problems, journalists just make them 100 times worse.
was not expecting something like this from modern day vice. congrats on connecting to your roots.
Wagner was founded by Dimitri Utkin, who's callsign in the GRU was Wagner, not Prigozhin lol Prigozhin financed and connected Wagner to the Kremlin.
People somehow still see prigozhin as the creator and leader of Wagner lol utkin founded it and some of the main leaders of Wagner are ex KGB members prigozhin was simply the “face” of Wagner he didn’t even had any military background which is why when he did what he did many of the fighters didn’t follows his orders lol
@@4Irico5 where’s Atkin and the rest?
@@moneydroplobby5059 Utkin was on the same plane as Prigozhin was on, alongside some other leadership as well. So effectively leadership was wiped out in a single get go.
@@thekittyspy Neither of them we're the main leaders, Udtkin was meant to cover for the real Military Commander Anton Yelizarov
yeah and utkin is now six feet under
Excellent documentary and it's nice to see you guys going back to your roots the last few years.
Less bullshit, more of this. Good on you Vice.
Funny this is all bullshit, just pushing bs talking points
This is the bullshit. Ukraine is toast.
It's too old. This was at least 10 months ago. Before the failed offensive and before they lost bahkmut
@@RUTHLESSambition5they never lost bakmut
Amen to that.
11:20 black sun patch😬
Shh, let's just go along and pretend that we didn't just see that..
Nazis?
They are not beating the allegations
Far rights fighting in every conflict from both sides, it always was like that, always will be
Based patch
Former rebel slipped up and said "Wagner". Second guy asked her to cut that part out for his own safety. She still keeps that part in the video.
If something happened to that man, it's on Vice
This was released after Russia had already stopped pretending Wagner was a secret
"It's better if you take this out, he could be in a lot of trouble." -- Vice keeps it in. Real care for the locals who are obviously being forced to choose silver or lead.
If he was going to be harmed for saying what was plainly on their shirts then he was toast anyway. At least this way the rest of the world gets the story as a precautionary tale.
@@amphiumaiii7058 dude is an officer.. guarantee you he got at most a write up..
26:00 I felt like when he asked the laywer who he felt would kill him, that the unspoken truth was that he was literally asking the lawyer "After you just embarrassed us in front of the western media, who would you suggest I send to your home tonight to come and kill you?" And the way the other africans in the room stared him down as if to say "Not now, we agree but you're going to get us shot."
The way the mercenary glances at the camera, trying to find a way to communicate the severity of his anger in a coded way.
Perhaps I'm overthinking it, but there appears to be layers to this interaction.
That's how I read the situation too. I wonder if the local interpreter was trying to explain to Vitali that he's a lawyer as a way to dismiss him as someone they need to worry about since the legal system of the CAR is practically non-existent. I felt like it all depended on what VICE would publish, so now I fear he is in danger (if he hasn't already been threatened or disappeared)
You could feel the tension through the camera
He's dead for sure
This is what I thought
Hat's off to y'all for this piece. Gotta do more in depth stuff like the old school days more. Plus, y'all shined light on alot of vital information imo! 👍
Nothing new here. Independent news channels have been covering all of this months and years ago. Zero criticism of US empire in this piece. Zero information about US regime change, resource theft, arms deals, murder. Wagner is exactly the same as Black Water and the CIA.
Africa is open arms to China and Russia because they have been screwed over by the United States of America and the west. The world is changing and leaving us behind. VICE is mainstream bought out media.
They still pushing there objective don’t be fooled
@@big2753can you enlighten us on that objective?
@@big2753What objective can they possibly be pushing here? Wagner is not a good group. There are videos of Wagner mercs brutally killing people all over the world. They are literally known for using sledgehammers to kill people.
Inside Wagner episode without Wagner 😂😂😂
and so it is with everyone who, for some reason, supports a country that no longer exists. A country .404
They interviewed Wagner for like a third of the episode tho.
@@ahOOliahOOli-ey3bq are you talking about Ukraine? Because 100K Russian soldiers have been killed by an imaginary country apparently 😂
@@barnibussnaples6561 🤡
@@ahOOliahOOli-ey3bq least delusional Ztard
You guys putting out a banger before closing doors I see.
I can see bankruptcy taught Vice a lesson on content. Glad to see good reporting like this
Am I missing something? They’ve been posting content like this for as long as I’ve followed them
@@bobert6259 Right? No clue what this guy's talking about
@@bobert6259That’s his point. That hard hitting long-form documentaries are Vice’s bread and butter and are more profitable. It was the more comedic stuff like one-star reviews that they have scaled back on in favor of this kind of content as they’ve gone through bankruptcy.
CNN is profitable, Fox News is profitable, nyt has to cut staff, vox relies on donations, and Bloomberg and wsj rely on investors who rely on their services. Reporting on UA-cam alone is…
They never stopped making good content
You all have so much courage to go into places like that to get these stories. Incredible.
Last time journalist did researched them, they ended up with new holes.
@@ee-ef8qr Yes we watched the video.
This is what the old vice used to be, we need more content like this
Just look at this way man. The new vice, as you probably have in your head, exists because of a simple fact: no one really pays for journalism anymore. If say, everyone that enjoyed Vice payed $10-20 a month, they could focus on just this material. But because no wants to pay, they have to make tons of clickbaity content that someone like you probably call woke. The clicks then let Vice charge advertisers the money they need to produce pieces like this. They still out stuff like this, never stopped. Just keep in mind that your unwillingness to pay along with most other ppl is why Vice needs to make way more trash than treasure in order to still try to stay afloat.
@@globaladdictthe bigger issues are mismanagement and Disney forcing its woke agenda on them after the buyout
If I could like this a million times I would! Very solid relevant, yet nietche like VICE used to be. I hope the new owners keep this up!
They’re not gonna see your comment pal.
@@globaladdict who’s to say I don’t pay? I’ve donated a couple of times via their website, I think you should go find someone else to try to talk “facts” to cause it isn’t me lol I bet you’ve never donated, I grew up watching vice since day 1 in fact the only news source I ever used for a long time was vice, and you can say it’s because people don’t pay and blah blah blah but the fact of the matter is they have to create click bait content to attract the younger generations, and even then I’m not saying that vice hasn’t been doing a good job cause they’ve been making do however all I’m saying is work like this isn’t that common in vice news like it used to be 👏🏻
Not everyone hopping on the "I missed this" train and not actually discussing the information given in the documentary.
Your first mistake is looking for ANY kind of intellectual discussion in a UA-cam comment section. Even if you do find someone to have a real conversation with. UA-cam will arbitrarily censor and remove half of it. There’s no point anymore. Which seems to be by design. Remove even the POTENTIAL for middle ground.
Now this is some top tier journalism. Vice at it's absolute best. We need more of this.
Great work. We need more of this type of fact seeking journalism. Asking the right questions, allowing the story to unfold without bias. Really enjoyed this particular subject and would love to see more from Vice in the future.
So basically you wanna see ww3?
There is a lot of Bias, is just that it goes with the propaganda you have, or is more subtle. For example, when they talk about the Ukrainian captured Wagner prisioner, she doesn't ask how Ukraine is treating him, but talked about how he "defected". Then, when talking about the Wagner captured Ukrainian soldier, his first question was about torture are more. The idea there is obvious
Vice PLEASE go back to making this kind of content! Incredible geopolitical content that cannot be found anywhere else. I'd pay for a constant stream of this.
Also anyone got an ID on Col. Kiri's fit? 👀
Wow, that was almost medieval, having local leaders come and praise them, and the one dissenter being immediately challenged.
Takes like this are so stupid
This is some of the best news I’ve watched in a long time. I remeber watching the Russian Roulette series and now watching this it really brought me back. I love this and it really inspires me to take up journalism as a minor.
Vice you’re the best at these kind of reports. Educated the hell out of me.
Im so glad vice posted this. Im always consuming military content. Private military is always so fun to learn about
Go learn about when delta force and seal team 6 faced off against them in Syria and killed literally hundreds of Wagner I forgot the year… maybe 2018
Just be skeptical. VICE is equivalent to CNN nowadays. They’re worth Pennie’s on the dollar now
@@Hinderrrrrrthey killed 20, not hundreds.
@@HinderrrrrrI believe it was an air strike. No “facing off”.
@@RAIDENCHEEKS lot more then 20 baby… Russia created a award for those who survived…. Over 100 killed and 200 wounded on the russians side… and not a single American was even injured….
Excellent Journalism! You could feel the tension in the air when the captured soldier said they surrendered to "Wagner". This gave me older Vice vibes, which to me is a compliment!
That was such a mic-drop moment.
VICE back in action! Thanks for putting this together.
OG VICE is back!
wow this was a really good documentary. good job vice.
Never would I expect the president of CAR to be interviewed by VICE. Journalism at its best.
Its about time. Glad to see vice doing real journalism again
38:40 Hilarious. Feel bad for this sales rep, for not having taken a course in "lawyer talk" from his Alma Mater. I loved all of his awkward responses, since he seemed to have a "knowing" tone in his voice, like everything that was coming out of his mouth was 110% military industrial complex bullshit, and he's somehow a middle man to all this stupid crap. Then his boss came along and ruined it all like a Japanese boss. "Why can't you answer vaguely?"
Coverage of this war won’t ever be the same without Prigozhin. A reality television star
Wow! Outstanding journalism, in yo' face! I loved it. thanks
Now this is the content VICE was built on.
Vice has always had real journalism at its core. I've been a fan for years. Keep doing the real work!
I wasn't ready for that Svitlana scene. I haven't cried in what feels like years but seeing her face as they talked, wow.
😢
Is VICE finally back with the OG journalism? Let’s gooo! 👏
Nice work Vice, nice to have you back 🤗
Old Vice is back whoa dude
This intro is stunning
This is the best piece from Vice I've seen in years. Bravo!
Vice this is how you need and always should make your content.
Holy crap,… did Vice go back to their roots??? Amazing, just amazing.
THIS IS THE CONTENT VICE IS KNOWN FOR KEEP IT COMING
This woman is a true journalist and what a real journalist should be like. She does not impose her opinions, she lets the people speak.
32:30 she was cutting off the guy alot 😂 but she ain’t bad
She puts everyone on edge by trying to be "hard hitting" so she ends up with less info. Everyone clams yup
Vice dropping endless bangers
This is the Vice I love.
Dude compared what their doing to Mozart, Schubert, Chopin, Stravinsky. 29:20
FANTASTIC AND SO WELL DONE!!! NO ONE DOES IT LIKE VICE
Glad to see this guy playing Playstation during his interview. Very believable defector.
28:35 damn she snitched on him she signed his death certificate 🤦🏿♂️
about time you go back to your roots VICE, very well made!
this is golden information right here. thanks vice
Damn, wish you guys would have asked the wagner guy more about the battle of Khasham.
При штурме нефтезавода со стороны Вагнера неверно были отценены возможности американцев. По какой то непонятной причине они не учли что, у американцев есть поддержка с воздуха. В течении всего штурма около 3х часов Американцы ОЧЕНЬ ДОЛГО И МНОГО РАЗ связывались с командованием армии России и после очередного ответа "в этой зоне отсутствует армия России" вызвали поддержку с воздуха и разыграли пьесу по американскому учебнику.
Это было больно
Dude this meetings with the people and Wagner was so obvious that the people were scared shittless to talk out
One big mistake at 35:00: "trying to overthrow Putin"
No, Prigozhin wanted to replace the head of the ministry of defence, he had no gripes with Putin himself.
It still amazes me how people still don’t see that point lol
How do you explain his death if it wasn’t a mutiny against Putin?
@@chrischrin Putin isn't connected to military as much as minister of the MOD Shoigu or general staff of the MOD Gerasimov. There are speculations about who may had done it and there are several theories about levels of relations of these 3 aforementioned people. Judging from any side it is not known WHO actually was to benefit from Prigozhin's death the most, so it's wrong to assume straightly that it was in interests of Putin to commit assasination on his one of the most useful and valuable assets
Wow vice is actually doing some reporting? That's awesome!
I’m glad to see that a lot of this focused on CAR and their clients in Africa. The stories from Ukraine and the mutiny/Prigozhin’s death aren’t news to most people, but CAR is already a place your average westerner knows little about. I’m surprised at some of the stuff you had access to…think I’m most surprised they let those guys wear “je suis Wagner” shirts, with the whole “Russian instructors” thing to try to have some thin screen of plausible deniability.
Audio is subpar on this episode.
At the start of the video the narrator says that they were deployed in Ukraine in 2014 and then 2 minutes after she says that Wagner was deployed in Ukraine after the "Russian army was depleted" this is hilarious.
11:21 lol at the patch
Vice is back
Great video! I was captivated by the story of Wagner especially when they marched toward Moscow damn near unpeeded to suddenly calling it off and walking away a free man to then prigozhyn eventually being murdered in his plane...crazy story
Wagner could’ve gone above and beyond to reach Moscow and cause a ruckus even if it was going to lead a fatalist conclusion much sooner…
The “I am Wagner” t-shirt thing was hilarious! You can’t make that stuff up!
it could have been given to them after being captured
@@KolyaUrtz still doesn't change the fact that Wagner is in Africa despite their continuous denial
@@JellyLegz Wagner denied to be in Africa like 2 years ago... Today they are not denying it
Why do people keep commenting that this is what Vice used to be. Vice has always had content like this
I know right. Kids these days.
Very untrue. Their “journalism” post pandemic, has been complete BS.
An important reminder that real journalism is one of the most important professions on the planet...Vice is one of the only story-tellers out there willing to get inside the story, itself, for it's own sake.
Vice is 99.9% marxist propaganda
Svetlana seems like an amazing girl. He’s so lucky for sure . You can tell they really love eachother .
Prigozhin was not the founder nor the leader of Wagner. Utkin was the founder and he’s one of the main leaders of the organization itself many of them being ex KGB members prigozhin was literally just the face of Wagner that’s it lol
I dont know where Vice consistently finds such odd looking reporters.
Blackstone, Academy US dont do like this ?
Wow an actual instance of journalism. Make Vice vice again
So many said it already but Vice is amazing.
This is EXACTLY what Blackwater did/does.
Exactly. But somehow -- "muh Russia" narrative is still going strong with rightwing Democrats.
RIP Colonel Kiri, VICE snitched on you 😂
This is how vice used to be... glad to see they're back, even if it's just for now.
34:58 he didnt try to overthrow putin, he tried to overthrow shoigu. This is such a basic info it basically undermines this entire media piece
Great reporting keep it up!
Wagner is not a mercenary group, which implies they work for any nationality of the highest bid, rather it is the Russian equivalent of the French Foreign Legion. In fact, many of its members are Russians who left the French Foreign Legion to fight in their country's own equivalent once it existed.
Wut? Where did you get that from?
Where's your source
I agree with what you are saying about them not being a traditional PMC group. They are basically a shadow group that Putin could use to progress and protect Russian interests. By calling themselves PMC’s, if they mess up Russia is not held accountable because they are not part of the Russian military. They do 100% of Putin’s bidding. They are basically another arm of the Russian government that can project plausible deniability. But I must disagree that they are somehow similar to the French Foreign Legion. The Legion is under direct command of the French military. Their existence is acknowledged. Their missions are insanely dangerous but at the end of the day they are a soldier in the French military. Wagner is not considered to be part of the Russian military.
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Please make a video about Black rock company!!
Thank you for the introspective.
Holy sh-! VICE, you nailed it! Bravo!
That lawyer hopefully is still alive
Title says "Inside Wagner..." but we never get to see that.
But we get to hear (not see) some voices talking about how Wagner did this and that.
Impeccable journalism.
What are you talking about? They literally embedded for a time with the "Russian Instructors" (Wagner) in CAR. You can see they were speaking with head of operations there and the deception/misdirection they were using to hide the crimes they had allegedly committed. Obviously there was anonymity with some of the people speaking out as they rightfully feared for their wellbeing had their claims been attributed to their names.
Regardless, you also saw the lawyer who spoke out directly to the leader's face, and he was quick to take back his words after some further questioning.
@@jamiemonroe4144 Still it's outside Wagner. Journalist only gets to talk to the representative guy, not the actual fighters and conditions they live in.
Asking a shady security company member have they committed any war crimes
- No we totally didn't. In fact we were never there. We're not even here right now.
As I said, impeccable journalism.