My Saturn 4 Ultra, everything printed fine, not one failure. However, the Mars 5 Ultra, I had the same printing issues that you experienced. My camera didn't detect the print failures either. I hate to say it, I have been waiting to see if someone else had the same failures as me, and if the AI camera would detect them. Great review!
13:12 That test of the cured pieces in vat was an actual failure. It didn't work, it's supposed to give an error and stop the print. The only thing that saved the printer is the fact that the build plate is on springs, so it has some give and could push back away from the LCD. There's a lot of nice things about the printer, but this is a real failure.
I was thinking the same thing. There was nothing presented in that segment that remotely said it worked. In fact, he at first made it sound like it failed and the only thing that saves his screen was the fact he MANUALLY stopped the print.
I already have 4 resin printers, 2 Mars line, and 2 Saturns, so I probably won’t need another until one of these fails. However, this is the printer I wish was available 4 years ago. Great review!
First, nice shirt! Love your videos and the details you provide in your reviews. I need to get back into some resin printing though my buddy is currently using my Mars 2 Pro for some production work. The fidelity of the models are awesome and the new technology coming out in the consumer space is amazing. Thanks for the great content!
The formlabs form one used a tilting vat. That was over 8 years ago. They switched to a sliding motion when they came out with the formlabs form 2, about 8 years ago.
I have a brand new Wanhao Duplicator 8, never used. I am ready to resin 3D print now, is that printer compettitive with newer resin printers or should I consider getting a new one? Thanks!
@@EdwardDowner that’s awesome. I haven’t looked into that printer. I know it looks similar to the 4 Ultra in a Mars form factor but didn’t know they brought the titling vat to it.
How do you feel about the general need for a resin printer? I love the resolution in printing but the whole process with fumes and curing etc seems like a lot for the niche use cases I would have for it …
I had the form 1 years ago, so I understand the condition's and space a resin printer needs, and that's my dilemma. I only have a studio apartment and WILL not live in the same space of any fabrication. I've outside space and may build a well insulated and temperature controlled workshop shed
Hi I'm new to resin printing was looking at the uniformation GKTWO but I'm not sure the high price is worth it is this saturn 4 a good printer also how would I know when to change the pfa film Tia.👍
Is there any way to have a Saturn 4 Ultra in my bedroom and main room? I would seal it on a big container were I would place Printer + Cure/washing station, + air extractor pushing air outside.
Air filtration can’t be done at this scale. Not for the toxic vocs atleast. You need activated carbon in levels of multiple pounds and you need to refresh it often… like daily… if you are printing a lot. All a little filter would be good for is reducing smells. Vocs are too small for hepatitis filters and other off the shelf solutions. You just need to vent properly. Heating… just get a brewing band or a thermalvatband.
What is the point of faster prints of they are not reliable. I rather have a more reliable and a consistent printer then a faster one. This is the reason I bought the Gktwo. With the built in heater it's much more consistent and you don't need to change exposure times after you tuned it in and it's a work horse of a printer. If I had to choose between the two I would still pick a Gktwo
@@firelion98 I would argue the tilting vat is more reliable. The heater I definitely agree with but there is at least an addon option for those that decide they want it.
I think the pressure detection failed in your test and your screen didn't break by luck, not because the printer decreased the pressure or something like that. If it detected something on the vat it should atop the print and give you a warning.
@@Rayuaz I’m thinking there may be a minimum height it has to hit something to throw the error. Since it was a few mm from its home position I also think it thought it had homed but the mechanical switch not having it much harder after triggering that it had reached the VAT saved it.
02:31 those numbers are only for 200 microns though, a layer height so thick that nobody in the world of resin 3D printing ever uses (you might as well print in FDM). Since Elegoo is careful not to mention this fact anywhere, it's almost akin to false advertising. FYI, the printer reaches 30-50 mm/h IRL at 50 microns. To put things in perspective, the new Anycubic Photon Mono M7 Pro consistently achieves 170 mm/h at 100 microns layer height which is 2 to 2.5 times as fast as the Saturn 4 Ultra IRL at the same parameters. Sure, the M7 Pro is more expensive and has other drawbacks (starting with a hingeless hood) plus everyone here is aware I think fo the famous Anycubic after-sales service quality.
i think i will have to sell one of my bambus and get one of these. thank you boss. if and when i will buy it i will hit your link if you have one with elagoo
I have yet to get my Saturn 4 ultra setting to print as fast as my 3 ultra. I have no idea how to add a rapid resin profile to it on chitu. Does rapid resin even work on the printer? I’ve seen nothing that says it supports it.
Can someone give me a definitive answer as to whether I need a pc to 3d print with resin? I would like to get into printing miniatures and am trying to find out what I will need. Google tells me I don't need a pc and others say that I have to have one. I'm happy to get whatever I need, I just need to know what. Any help would be awesome.
I haver a Saturn 1 and I was never able to print anything. Can't trust any elegoo printer after that. Got a Bambu lab A1 and now I'm finally printing 3F models
Would have been at least nice for them to included IR. The Peopoly machine I used had that which at least let you see what was going on to an extent in the dark.
I bought a Saturn 3 just a few days ago. Tilting bed on the 4 pushed me away. I see it as a potential failure. I'll enjoy my 3 for a few years and see how the 4 holds up.
I would like something for a Starter, Nothing LIKE $300.00 to learn on.. I want to learn how to Print my OWN minis for my Own Crafts, and it seems that most videos are trying to SELL High Dollar ones.. Which I do NOT want, nor can I afford, And NO I do not want a FDM printer.. they do NOT print Minis very well.. SO if anyone knows a fairly good one, at a fair price please let me know.. Its Just for SMALL Minis.. 28 mm and such..
I totally get it. Some of the modern resins are much less fumey but that doesnt mean they are better to be breathing in. Ideally its a garage/dedicated space thing with good exhaust/ventilation.
A cheap grow tent, fan and flexible duct hose out the window is less than a hundred bucks. No problems. ISO/Ethanol is much worse for you than resin anyway.
Ive come to realize that no matter the topic, a modbot vid, is a great vid
Well this made my morning. Thank you 😊🙏
@@ModBotArmy 🤯😱🤩He replied!
@@Enjeenier He replied because what you said is true!
My Saturn 4 Ultra, everything printed fine, not one failure. However, the Mars 5 Ultra, I had the same printing issues that you experienced. My camera didn't detect the print failures either. I hate to say it, I have been waiting to see if someone else had the same failures as me, and if the AI camera would detect them. Great review!
13:12 That test of the cured pieces in vat was an actual failure. It didn't work, it's supposed to give an error and stop the print. The only thing that saved the printer is the fact that the build plate is on springs, so it has some give and could push back away from the LCD. There's a lot of nice things about the printer, but this is a real failure.
I was thinking the same thing. There was nothing presented in that segment that remotely said it worked. In fact, he at first made it sound like it failed and the only thing that saves his screen was the fact he MANUALLY stopped the print.
I'm all about quality.
Speed is not so important for me.
This printer looks great.
Great video, I'll watch it again after buying mine in a couple of months
It’s absolutely ununderstandable that they haven’t spend the few cents to add a LED (flash) to get useable camera-images.
I already have 4 resin printers, 2 Mars line, and 2 Saturns, so I probably won’t need another until one of these fails. However, this is the printer I wish was available 4 years ago.
Great review!
First, nice shirt! Love your videos and the details you provide in your reviews. I need to get back into some resin printing though my buddy is currently using my Mars 2 Pro for some production work. The fidelity of the models are awesome and the new technology coming out in the consumer space is amazing. Thanks for the great content!
I was waiting this video so much :)
The formlabs form one used a tilting vat. That was over 8 years ago. They switched to a sliding motion when they came out with the formlabs form 2, about 8 years ago.
This is a fantastic printer. I'd get two if I could.
I have a brand new Wanhao Duplicator 8, never used. I am ready to resin 3D print now, is that printer compettitive with newer resin printers or should I consider getting a new one? Thanks!
best honest review
Should mention the new Mars 5 Ultra uses the same tilting vat.
@@EdwardDowner that’s awesome. I haven’t looked into that printer. I know it looks similar to the 4 Ultra in a Mars form factor but didn’t know they brought the titling vat to it.
How do you feel about the general need for a resin printer? I love the resolution in printing but the whole process with fumes and curing etc seems like a lot for the niche use cases I would have for it …
I had the form 1 years ago, so I understand the condition's and space a resin printer needs, and that's my dilemma. I only have a studio apartment and WILL not live in the same space of any fabrication. I've outside space and may build a well insulated and temperature controlled workshop shed
Hi I'm new to resin printing was looking at the uniformation GKTWO but I'm not sure the high price is worth it is this saturn 4 a good printer also how would I know when to change the pfa film Tia.👍
Aaaaaa I saw a jackal vulture from grim dark future! Let’s goooooo!
Great Video. Quick question, how much space do you need to open the hood? I am planning on building an enclosure for it.
Great video once again!
Is there any way to have a Saturn 4 Ultra in my bedroom and main room? I would seal it on a big container were I would place Printer + Cure/washing station, + air extractor pushing air outside.
Pretty good review. Btw, FauxHammer is pronounced foe hammer, not fox hammer. 😅👍🏻
Tilting finally done, check.
Resin heating ?
Resin air filtration ?
Air filtration can’t be done at this scale. Not for the toxic vocs atleast. You need activated carbon in levels of multiple pounds and you need to refresh it often… like daily… if you are printing a lot.
All a little filter would be good for is reducing smells. Vocs are too small for hepatitis filters and other off the shelf solutions.
You just need to vent properly.
Heating… just get a brewing band or a thermalvatband.
What is the point of faster prints of they are not reliable.
I rather have a more reliable and a consistent printer then a faster one.
This is the reason I bought the Gktwo. With the built in heater it's much more consistent and you don't need to change exposure times after you tuned it in and it's a work horse of a printer.
If I had to choose between the two I would still pick a Gktwo
@@firelion98 I would argue the tilting vat is more reliable. The heater I definitely agree with but there is at least an addon option for those that decide they want it.
the striping appears to be all over the machine is there a chance it was the packaging that caused the lines on the outer cover ?
Use pledge furniture polish on the acrylic.
I wish companies would stop putting AI on everything.
Why
@@Reel_randomtvman because it hardly ever is AI or actually works.
I think the pressure detection failed in your test and your screen didn't break by luck, not because the printer decreased the pressure or something like that. If it detected something on the vat it should atop the print and give you a warning.
@@Rayuaz I’m thinking there may be a minimum height it has to hit something to throw the error. Since it was a few mm from its home position I also think it thought it had homed but the mechanical switch not having it much harder after triggering that it had reached the VAT saved it.
Sorry but the best all around would be the Phrozen Mega 8K S
Is the gktwo better or worse then this 👀 I need a response 😩😩 I want best quality so I can purchase mine on this Black Friday sale
I’m stuck on the gktwo , Saturn 4 ultra & the phrozen sonic mini 8k s
That is from rubbing on the plastic somewhere during manufacturing
kinda feel like we should sell products back to companies in Shenzhen and when they dont work we just send a long message about nothing as the fix.
Thanks you for the vidéo
02:31 those numbers are only for 200 microns though, a layer height so thick that nobody in the world of resin 3D printing ever uses (you might as well print in FDM). Since Elegoo is careful not to mention this fact anywhere, it's almost akin to false advertising. FYI, the printer reaches 30-50 mm/h IRL at 50 microns. To put things in perspective, the new Anycubic Photon Mono M7 Pro consistently achieves 170 mm/h at 100 microns layer height which is 2 to 2.5 times as fast as the Saturn 4 Ultra IRL at the same parameters. Sure, the M7 Pro is more expensive and has other drawbacks (starting with a hingeless hood) plus everyone here is aware I think fo the famous Anycubic after-sales service quality.
Print a handle for gods sake!!!!!! Great vid thanks.
My i ask what kind of gray resin you are using and the settings?
do I NEED a washer and cure station?
i think i will have to sell one of my bambus and get one of these. thank you boss. if and when i will buy it i will hit your link if you have one with elagoo
what is that STL at 11:33. who is it from so I can procure it if publicly available?
I have yet to get my Saturn 4 ultra setting to print as fast as my 3 ultra. I have no idea how to add a rapid resin profile to it on chitu. Does rapid resin even work on the printer? I’ve seen nothing that says it supports it.
04:16 no link in the destcritpion :D
Do you know if this works with flexible resin?
Can someone give me a definitive answer as to whether I need a pc to 3d print with resin? I would like to get into printing miniatures and am trying to find out what I will need. Google tells me I don't need a pc and others say that I have to have one. I'm happy to get whatever I need, I just need to know what. Any help would be awesome.
Haha, you used the same thumbnail as Uncle Jesse.
@@YaroShien it’s sort of the stand out feature 🤷
MAte, you got Saturn 5 in description instead of 4... or are you a time traveler?
The ultra seems like a good printer, tho the non ultra doesnt. There's no mention of it anywhere, but it has no Anti Aliasing...Gotta return it now
early crew
I have saturn ultra and it is trash! Month after I bought it wifi stopped working and many other pronlems!
Saturn 4?
I haver a Saturn 1 and I was never able to print anything. Can't trust any elegoo printer after that. Got a Bambu lab A1 and now I'm finally printing 3F models
How the reain smell Filtration?
So is it worth the money ?
Or there are better resin printers ?
I never had one, looking to buy one
Try to avoid 4th series, this model have bed issues, until manufacturer will fix it.
So IA detection does not work, and neither the pieces on VAT detection ....
Including a camera, but no lights. Woof
Most lights would impact the resin to some extent.
Would have been at least nice for them to included IR. The Peopoly machine I used had that which at least let you see what was going on to an extent in the dark.
@@MonkeyButlerLabsI have a light insight my grow tent with my printer where I print without a cover on my Saturn 3 and has no impact on anything
I bought a Saturn 3 just a few days ago. Tilting bed on the 4 pushed me away. I see it as a potential failure. I'll enjoy my 3 for a few years and see how the 4 holds up.
Its just an extra motor
I would like something for a Starter, Nothing LIKE $300.00 to learn on.. I want to learn how to Print my OWN minis for my Own Crafts, and it seems that most videos are trying to SELL High Dollar ones.. Which I do NOT want, nor can I afford, And NO I do not want a FDM printer.. they do NOT print Minis very well.. SO if anyone knows a fairly good one, at a fair price please let me know.. Its Just for SMALL Minis.. 28 mm and such..
@@TomJones0065 I’d look at the mars. Smaller form factor but cost less and incredibly capable.
@@ModBotArmy Thanks, I was just looking at the Mars4 and it seems it might just fit the bill..
3d print a handle? 🤔😹
there is not improvement on quality. so they cheat to get you buy. you not need if old printer works
I wish the toxicity of resin didn't freak me out as much as it does. The results are so defined.
I totally get it. Some of the modern resins are much less fumey but that doesnt mean they are better to be breathing in. Ideally its a garage/dedicated space thing with good exhaust/ventilation.
A cheap grow tent, fan and flexible duct hose out the window is less than a hundred bucks. No problems. ISO/Ethanol is much worse for you than resin anyway.
Honestly fdm printing is giving a lot of hobbyists a false sense of security by comparison. Both of them NEED to be ventilated or HEAVILY filtered
#jk3dmaster
that graphic on the hood makes me almost not want it, literally such a stupid choice
Why does it matter how many hands you need to just open or remove cover, if that is all you are doing at that time.
Tilt will fail I bought the 4 to avoid it, downtime is money and fixing that is awful
no mention of the history of the tilting or what other printers have it? kinda disappointed
@@SheldonMcGee I mentioned that the only other printer I’m aware of using it currently is prusas.
Like all resin printing mostly it's bullshit
Skill issue.