BMW M4 CSL review. With 550bhp and 2WD, is this the most exciting M car on sale today?
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- Опубліковано 15 кві 2023
- The BMW M4 CSL is BMW's way of celebrating 50 years of M-Power and is a limited run (1000 are being built) special M4 with 550bhp and 2WD to deliver ultimate driving thrills. Find out if this really is the most exciting BMW on sale today
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I think BMW have employed former Max Power readers as their stylists! Just missing the ‘Kenwood’ sticker in the rear window!
Halford 1k clear laquer over their cheap carbon parts they must have the cheapest nastiest PAN and Epoxy going to even have to spray the clear coat over it and leave the tape ridges. Utterly ridiculous and if you came out with such ridiculous stunts in the boat world your reputation would be gone overnight. This is one of the worst made cars I've seen since British Leyland
The finishing touch would be a furry dice hanging from the rear view mirror. Classy!
Targeting wealthy young football professionals by the look of it.
@@Beer_Dad1975 Well... wealthy and young... definitely. I don't know enough about football professionals to be picking on them. A common derogatory comment in the States is "all his taste is in his mouth!!" I bought my first BMW (1600) in 1969 and have had many others over the years, up to my current 2001 330xi manual gearbox. An automatic in a BMW other than an SUV, is just disappointing. They've just gotten too big, too glitzy, and too much automatic junk in them. The superfluous electronic stuff is just a problem (many problems!) waiting to happen.
@@MrGaryGG48 ‘How would I describe Americans? Long on appetite, short on taste’. Johnny Depp
Maybe that is also now true of Germans!😂
The little RO 80 in the background is much more interesting to me 😁
1650 kilos is now considered light, no wonder there are so many potholes 😢
Road wear/damage increases cubically with mass. A two ton car does eight times the damage than a one ton car. We're all paying for these stupidly heavy cars, many of which are promoted on Harry's advertorials
@@yebo56 Yes, that's why people around the world are buying SUVs and crossovers - because of Harry's videos.
These cars are needlessly heavy, tall, wide and with lights set too high so that they blind others. But their popularity is due to people's egos: being up high and in a big car makes them feel important.
@@julianevans9548 or, get this: they are useful vehicles for a number of purposes, especially if you have kids, do any sort of work around the house, or enjoy getting out into nature. it's not all ego.
Gordon Murray must have a great laugh.
@@yebo56 Heavier but also a LOT safer so it depends on whether you prioritize saving lives or saving the government some money.
The ultimate chav mobile! Looking at my old e38...its remarkable how off course BMW styling has gone
Great video Harry. The car is ghastly
Have you driven one ?
@@timeservices697 no. Even if it's the best driving apparatus ever invented it still looks ghastly. That or a GT3? And I had 8 BMW M up to now.
@@timeservices697 I've not driven a FSO Polonez or a Trabant. I still know they are abysmal.. so what's your point?
I think all the engineers and designers at BMW that actually knew what they were doing retired during covid.
Covid was about in the 90s? Why didn't I hear about it back then? We called it a cold back then mate
@@bigduphusaj162didn't know a cold could leave you without a sense of smell
@@bigduphusaj162 🥱
@@_Junkers 😂 long covid is it? Long excuse more like
Fell out the Ugly Tree and hit every branch on the way down.
I'm out.
It’s ugly and tacky rolled into one!
@@Peter-MH that tape ridges left on the clear coat is all anyone with a brain needs to see. They've outdone themselves with this the fisher price junk heap
and as it fell down the ugly tree its front radiators got blocked by leaves due to the gaping open front grill lol
What market are they targeting? Obviously someone with more money than sense. At that price I can only imagine 1,000 other cars I’d wish to see on my drive
hello yeah lauged mt aese off reading ur comment ugly tree etc, funny as
It's really impressive how one can build a medium sized car, stuff so much carbon fibre in it, tear out the rear seats, all the sound deadning etc. and still end up at over 1600 kg.
How did they do that?
Lol 😂
Chassis stiffening doesn’t come for free
And if they painted it with that would add another 15 kilos
All the safety regulations require heavy instruments underneath the body + all the luxury tech a lot of the customers demand these days, even for a special edition - track focused car🥴
@@Maximil1ion bullcr@p. The donor G20 Series is actually lighter than its F20 predecessor. And they can't achieve the same between the old and new M G80 Series?
I'm in awe of the talent of a man who manages to get the camera set up just right so the steering wheel is in the way of the speedo with impressive regularity, but this time tape did the trick.
...though the "needle" is still visible moving on the speed dial. 🤣
Guy is a legend. Interestingly he has black tape covering part of the speedo
The professionalism that comes with experience 😊😊
I believe BMW charge £100 + VAT for the tape.
@@JFW5358 if you want the carbon fibre tape it's £320.
I am reminded of a Dolly Parton quote: "It costs a lot of money to look this cheap". I know they are great cars, but BMWs just don't do it for me.
Nor me. Seems they’re just recycling
It has a lot of positives, but I just can't get past the looks. BMW have really lost their way design-wise in recent years, and it isn't only the grille.
The grille is the least offensive part on this particular car. I don't mind it here. The normal M4 is repulsive, and I can't comprehend what was going on in the designer's heads when they did the M2.
Thank you. I feel the same, these are repulsive to look at. I'm a huge BMW fanboy so it hurts to see this.
yeah this car doesn't even have the Hoffmeister Kink. That and the Infiniti rear end bother me more than the grill.
I don't think the M3 is near as bad
My '72 2002 was spartan - almost Scandinavian in design. The more markets BMW pursues at once, the less pleasing they become.
@@danmayberry1185 the 2002 is one of my fav BMWs . I’m only interested in the shark 🦈 nose era, that’s when BMW was special.
M4 CSL is 126k list? Ooft. Just had a quick check on AutoTrader and M3 E46 CSL’s are selling at sub 100k (only 5 listed there). Given the choice I know what I’d rather have
starts at $140k in US 🤢
Junk BMWs got over inflated with covid tax now coming down in price like a rubber brick. E46 M3s for sale now if you find the right place for £17k and £10k for a scab needing everything done. E46 is junk to, vastly over rated
Thank you Harry. BMW could have shaved another kilo or 2 by omitting all of the badges and decals. Uncouth was a perfect choice of words. They have really departed stylistically recently which is a shame because they used to make the most beautiful cars in the world.
the people that buy them now do not appreciate European understatement.
Look at those gaming seats.
underrated comment 😂
@@MT-rc3gn 👈webspeak....
£120k car and it’s finished in primer grey and looks bloody hideous 🤦🏼♂️
Mate as a spray painter that's not even the worst bit. They left clear coat tape ridges on the bonnet as they've had to clear coat over the junk made "carbon fiber" because the PAN or Epoxy they've used has zero UV resistance. This is the very lowest quality paint I've ever heard of on a new car full stop.
@@bigduphusaj162 Damn thats just sad to hear.
Complain on delivery and get the factory to respray😂😂😂😂
ha ha primer grey ...................absolutely correct
If your ego needs an upmarket look at me boy racer of quite hideous design, then this is the car for you!
Doesn't suit you, sir....
Great to see an NSU Ro80 in the background in the garage. An unique car I'd love in my dream classic collection...
Yes, much more interested in it than the BMW
I'm looking forward to a video on the RO80 seen in the garage.
They've done well to make the back 20" wheels look smaller than the front 19" wheels.
@@integralevideo No, it's really just the very bad design, in particular way too much sheet metal estate between the wheels and the back windows.
@@caleidoo Spot on.
Yeah, same as on the regular M4, proportions totally out of wack.
I noticed that instantly…
It’s because it’s so slab sided; there’s a load of metal above the rear wheels which makes them look diddy.
Harry is THE ONLY car reviewer who’s prepared to give shitty reviews. CarWow Matt would be fawning over the traction.
And waste 20% of the video on some stick test of truth like it really matters for dailies of theor exausts are pointed down and hidden or not. Fun fact, its better for us if they're pointed down to road on dailies, particles in a certain percentage are left on asphalt surface and so on, they don't go directly in air etc.
Harrys experience and nounce of cars is fantastic.
His body language says everything.
When he cant plant it,there's something really wrong
*honest reviews
Looks like BMWs design team got lost in the Halfords accessory department (again). It’s not as hideous as the XM, but it’s close….I’d rather drop £120K on a 911 (if I had the money)
The XM would look better if they used a rejected Suzuki design from the 90s. It is one of the ugliest cars I have had the displeasure of looking at.
My thoughts exactly.
@@JohnFromAccounting don't ever mention Suzuki (who make cars properly) in the same sentence as current BMW (who are as fisher price as it gets) The UK older GV and all Jimny models are legendary so is the old swift GTi.
The Swift is epic. I have one in Germany at the Ring for TF. I also have one of these M4 CSL’s and disagree with the rest of your comment 😂
I saw the thumbnail and wanted to vomit 🤮
Priced at $200K here in Los Angeles. That includes the dealer’s $50k markup. The price explains why they’re still sitting on the showroom floor, months and months later.
The UK is the same the BMW dealers the yards are full of unsold fisher price junk cars. Are these junk heaps even selling in China? Who's buying these things I'm curious?
Just like with the M4 GTS. Overhyped af & no one is really buying it. I see more rarer Ferraris etc on the streets than M4 GTS.
That and how abhorrently ugly they are. I guess they'll sell in Europe because there are plenty of rich young football professionals with no taste - in the US, the pro footballers probably all buy whatever the biggest, gaudiest pickup truck is at the moment.
I would say primarily caus eof vuglar design language and then price.
I think in 2021and 22 they might have got that.
Things might be different from 23 onwards....
These cars are now at a point where they are too large physically for the small cramped roads of the UK. Too big, too heavy, too much power (to cope with the weight and size). Are they now really a driver's car?
Spot on. Its just too much. If it was a run out special of the last M2, then BMW could have nailed something really special.
Nope, this misses the point of a CSL completely
Exactly my thoughts. It's also vulgar and ugly.
I like it, point being I do not live in the UK which I am very happy about. I mean its fast and agile (for its weight)
It’s all just designed for China / Middle East now
Harry, I agree that outside it’s looks a little “cheap”. I was astonished they charge extra for their 50 year badge. Sadly that kind of attention will mean lots of them get nicked. Never mind the bonnet badge is £360 to replace. Ridiculous.
They charge it because they can. Rolls Royce motors had its best sales year ever on record in 2022, despite average price per car of over $534000.
This week French luxury brand house LVMH become the first European company to reach a $0.5 trillion valuation.
All that after the global economy was shut down for near two years followed by an energy crisis and financial system strains.
Funny that, isn't it....
yes 'celebrate' 50 years with us. another reason to hate BMW as if one were needed. one of the happiest moments in my life was seeing my old E46 M3 manual coupe driving away from my house. The most over rated performance car Ive ever known.
Just looks cheap, cheap, cheap… don’t care how well it handles or fast it goes, the purity of its forebearers has forever been lost. Great video Harry!
maybe it looks cheap, but it's so far of it.
The development cost went into the mechanical side of it. It is definitely not cheap.
I saw the black version at Rybrook Shrewsbury it was very dirty, I didn’t look good tbh , however it’s all about the driving dynamics, but for that money there’s great machinery.
Agree it’s not a cheap car! An analogy: walk around Mayfair, or especially Knightsbridge, any given day, and you’ll see a lot of very expensive machinery that looks (or been made to look) incredibly cheap. This is all subjective of course, but to me red accents tend to cheapen a car, same with stuck-on go faster appendages etc, and black wheels. It’s not helped by the basic car having ungainly propositions, not just the front… so in its purest form it’s not a pretty or well-proportioned car to start with. Now the engineering behind it may be top-notch, and I suspect it is, but from the outside, to my eyes, it just doesn’t look like it’s 125k worth. Yes it may go round the ring quickly etc, but who cares when it doesn’t look that great.
And it’s made worse because BMW have such a great heritage and a back catalogue of awesome styling. To take that and make something like the XM - to celebrate 50 years since the stunning M1, is heresy in my book. And to go from the e46 csl to this - have tastes changed that much? Or more likely I’m just getting old…
@@JohnFromAccounting it's cheaply made junk pal get real. Even DSG gearboxes are old tractor gearbox tech from the 70s. You need to do some research man I'm not being nasty just telling you these are fisher price junk. They are 😂 you cannot change facts
Thanks for another great video Harry. Feels like the marketing dept at BMW are now calling the shots which is a shame, the E46 CSL is now a legend, I don't see this one gaining the same honour.
You have wonder what the grandchild of this car will be like. Size wise I’m thinking Lincoln continental Mk 5, weight approx 4t 500kwh of batteries 1000bhp per wheel, 500/10 25 tyres, colour changing paint (desperately needed) and a big fan where the helmet shelf is to keep you grounded. Of course AI will be in control, so 0-150 in 2 seconds 10g in the corners and listing at £2m (before the optional drivers seat). I’d sooner have the XJ12 or just about anything else really😂😂
Just can't unsee the massive pair of buck teeth on the grill of the BMW. Reminds me of the tow truck in the movie Cars.
Is this the first car where adding the front number plate improves its looks?
I remember years ago looking at 3 series and thinking they looked beautiful - times have changed!
a modern 3 series is bigger than an older 7 series. absolute junk.
That red is called "lipstick on a pig" 😂
I don’t even know where to stat Harry. It looks awful in primer grey, that red stripe looks like I’ve done it. £250 +vat for a badge, kg’s of tacky badgers all over it (the one in the back looks like a Halfords special) and that flared front splitter will be lost the first time it’s parallel parked against a kerb. Oh, and it should be manual. It’s built for a specific type of person. If ever the adage fitted “There’s and a******e for every seat” this is it.
"Red stripe looks like I've done it" 😂😂😂
In the thumbnail photo, the splitter looks like a Halfords bolt on job. 😂
The whole car looks like it came out of the Halfords accessories bin.
Loving the electrical tape over the speedo option!
All new cars are outperforming the olds in terms of performance and power but never the fun factors.
Nope, some cars from early to mid 2000s with modern tyres are beating laptimes of new cars all over the place sir. For example I witnessed a VX220 utterly mug a new M3comp at Knockhill with Michie pilot sport 4 on. He even had the rear ones as the XL tyre to keep the tyre wall stiffer so he could slide it more and it still spanked the M3comp. It had 230bhp cheers
Sometimes cars are too powerful and too expensive to drive around rather recklessly
That's all cars have now. They're too big, heavy, sanitised and detached to be engaging as driver's cars, so they have to make them really fast. There is quite literally nothing else they can do. Legislation means even a big, ballsy straight six sounds boring as well, as this proves. At least it won't be as much of a loss when we're forced to buy electric. BMW have shot themselves in the foot by sticking with RWD which means the grunt now has to be reined in with electronics to stop people killing themselves. 500+Nm of torque from pretty much idle through two driven wheels means as soon as you start pressing on, there's endless interference from the systems to stop the car swapping ends and leaving the road. You can see it here. The thing just can't get its power down, and is constantly being held back. On real roads, I reckon you could detune this engine by 100 bhp and it would be no slower.
@@bigduphusaj162 Yeah.. Thats a nope. All FWD Opel's/Vauxhalls were dog shit on track with massive amounts of understeer and SHOCKING handling, especially the "driver focused" OPC models. I agree the new M3 and M4 looks like utter crap but no way would they lose to a cat shit box on wheels like a garbage Opel.
Harry I am beyond disappointed with the fact you're even reviewing this generation of M4, that front is completely inexcusable and honestly every reviewer should be boycotting it.
Definitely not my choice ! Looks naff to me .
I was fortunate enough to see the same color csl in the prep area at the dealer. Sales guy says " don't you love it ? " I laughed and said NO. It's horrible, I sat in it , had non adjustable seats and I could barely get in it and getting out was very difficult. He was shocked i said i hated it and he mentioned the price, 175 cdn plus tax and I laughed again. Maybe in my younger years I'd like it but not now. I'm out. There's a 911 down the street.
Marketing and sales guys don't have any clue about aesthetics or anything mechanical. They should be talking up the technical details because they are really impressive.
911 - very good shout
Looks are debatable and yeah important, but this car is all about driving dynamics, it seems a-lot more people just buy on looks alone which is a shame.
@@timeservices697 even dynamics wise it's hugely compromised compared to other cars at that price
Maybe if I was at the track twice a month but to go get milk, no thanks
1625kg and its light-weight? Wow that is a shocker.
1250 Kilo is light
Power to weight?
@@stephenhenion8304 Doesn't help you a jot when it comes to braking and going around corners - the bits that make driving enjoyable.
@@stephenhenion8304 OK put a Napier Deltic in your car mate since it's 4000+bhp and about 4 ton. That gives you 1000bhp per ton with your massive Napier Deltic Torpedo boat engine.. now go race a 130bhp MX5 around a B-road and tell us how you get on 😂
I know right? Our family estate is only a 100kg heavier and it has a 2.2 diesel lump in it and absolutely no carbon fibre!
Why only primer and no paint?
Keep the weight below 1700kg.
Just leaves me cold in every way. As do most new cars these days. I must be getting old and grumpy!
Bring back the 1995-2005 era.
agreed, and i’m in my 20s 😭
I've never known people to turn on manufacturers so fast as they are now. I seen it coming and it was shocking reliability and build quality that started this backlash. The German brands are going through their British Leyland phase right now with the parts bin fisher price junk they are pumping out. Avoid them till they sort their act out or go bust if they don't. The disposable build quality finance express cars are now public enemy no1 by the looks of things. About time
Car design should be led by engineers, not marketing and sales - I feel this is the main issue. Looking at the German cars from the 80s and 90s, they had real engineering integrity, elegant designs and ownership focus.
In every respect and on all things.
Beat era.
@James Gadbury That's abit like saying society should be led by nobility and not the common folk.
I'm not suggestion you're wrong....
The democratisation of everything seems to be a race to the bottom.
Hi Harry, another great video thanks, noticed the NSU Ro80 in your garage. Are you going to review it ?
It looks a bit like a running shoe, and not in a good way...
Great content as always - the car, however is nearly the complete opposite of what I'd look for in a car, especially if I was fortunate enough to have hundreds of thousands to spend on one!
I love the use of the tape
The tape on the dash yes.. the tape they've used to spray the clear coat on the bargain basement carbon fiber parts.. not so much 😂
If only that heinous grill was revised to the classic smaller grills from bmws of modern era. This would be the most beautiful car on sale! We know they can do it as with the hommage!
Another great review of a car that doesn't float my boat TBH... I'm interested in that RO 80 in the back ground..any vids coming up on it Harry?
Brilliant review as always. Seeing how this car squirms and struggles for traction under any sort of power just makes me think how this already rare car will be even more rare in two years time - ie it won’t be kept between the hedges by all owners even with the precious 150k it’ll cost them.
Perhaps slightly contradictory of me to say I like how CSL hasn’t forgotten the thoroughbred roots and aren’t scared to “go a bit mad”, especially in todays relatively boring car market by comparison to when the e46 csl was unveiled. On that, I’d have an e46 csl over this. Unrivalled in my opinion, even still today.
Agreed on the E46csl- plus the dodgy box can be swapped out for manual, which makes it arguably the best of it's generation.
I drove this very car the other night.
Not a big fan of the looks, but it is still stunning in detail, and definitely has enough BMW-ness about it, even whilst parked next to my E92 M3.
I didn’t experience any traction issues in -1°C temperatures, after nearly 2hrs of on/off driving. It would’ve been nice if Harry configured the M1 and M2 buttons, before setting off driving it. I flicked the M2 button, and everything was extreme, but it felt exciting and raw. It feels like a racecar. It feels special.
Hey Harry, love your channel. I'm not interested in this grill on wheels, but that lovely NSU RO in the back, can you please do a review of it? It is very rare to see one in what seems like pretty good condition.
Much prefer the older cars content, but I guess that there's nothing much happens week to week with them, it's not practical.
Thanks Harry.
Harry’s Garage is my weekly dose of entertainment and sanity. Brilliant videos, as always….then I go into the comments and see no keyboard warriors; just observations and complete sense.
Anywho….compare this to the E46 M3 CSL…there’s no competition for my money.
Really good review, and I love that car. Absolute beast.
This is definitely for you.
Thanks Harry - I’m curious how much to replace one of those rear tail lights if they get cracked.. or any of the other “bespoke” CSL parts. Hmm.
Yet another outstanding, honest review from Harry. "Cotswold farmer spec seats" he he he! Love it.
This isn't the car for me either. Far too ugly from the front. The E39 M5 still rules the roost.
The dashboard looks far too high. More like flying a Cessna than driving a sports car.
I'm just disgusted by the car so I'm checking comments to see if it's me or what is going on. Had a poster of E39 M5 on the wall as a kid and e46 M3 amd CSL on desktop a bit later. We even appreciated E38 although ot was a huge sedan and we were young. This situation nowdays feels like they ruined it all.
Ugly + heavy + tacky, what’s not to love
My mate bought this exact car. What a car it is, still looks iconic when you see it in the flesh!
First stone to flick up will hole the radiator. Genius!
Give them laser lights but, sorry, they’ll have to fork out £300 for the badge?🤣
I like it. Sounds mental. Some of the styling is questionable but I bet it’s epic to drive. Love the way you describe that ‘sharpness’ Not as pricey but you get that same feel in a Megane trophy R it just feels edgy as soon as you set off in it. Great fun.
Haha Harry I love the piece of black tape over the speed reading.🚓🚔
Another quality video.
I'd love for you to do a video on the NSU parked in your garage.
Oh yeah
come the first winter, expect to find plenty of these in ditches
I don’t know how someone can look at this car and say, yes this looks good…bmw is absolute trash now and this is coming from a former BMW fan. They need to fire whoever is designing these cars.
Never before has there been such a vicious reaction to the design of the entire BMW lineup. Truly a dark age in terms of design. Maybe they are doing everything they can to get attention while half the company moves to electric.
@@JohnFromAccounting but it's not going electric we already know its going synthetic fuel soon mate. That's a fact and I hope you accept that. Car battery tech is old power tool battery tech and 2 magnitudes behind RC helicopter soft cell battery tech. Cars won't suddenly get the best battery tech ever 😂 cars are way down the ladder when it comes to who gets what even the transistor availability for the brains of EV or IC cats (ecu/electrics etc) is way way down the pecking list a gaming GPU is considered more urgent than supplying any car manufacturer. I'm not lying here I know the reality of it I'm a boat builder I deal with ridiculous levels of radar/sonar/gyro tech and even that isn't the top of the foodchain.
Oh they are trying, the dude, main designer, that actually doesn't even know all bmw models throughout the history after a huige argument went to picture himself by a professional photographer in BMW museum to prove to ppl how its all BMW heritage. Fake 100%, ruined multiple BMW generations of cars. Look only at 7 series nowdays, vulgar primitive box.
My only explanation for that horrid design : The Chinese market likes that stuff... (?).
What's happening is that designers are appealing to the shitty tastes of their biggest markets: China and Arab countries.
Great video ‘H’. 👍🏻😀
Nice RO 80 in the background. Revolutionary design for the 70’s
Is that an NSU Ro 80 in the background there? 😅👍😊💜
Is it me or did that boot lid open up very fast? I can see that hitting someone on the chin with that spoiler
Nice video Harry.
Excellent video. It’s some machine
Normally I wouldn't punish my eyes watching this new massacre of a grill, but since it's Harry, I'll make the exception.
Watching this , there is no wonder modern quick classic cars are in such demand . So much lighter, more involving and cheaper . I would take a 20 year old M3 or M5 car over this and pocket the cash left over
I love it! I’d add it to my collection if I could get one & if I had more garage space! This is a proper M!
Love the tape Harry 🤘
It sounds more like a heavily turboed 4-cylinder than a 6. Sort of strangled. It also seems to be about 2000 rpm short of interesting. I just start thinking the engine note is going to harden and sound interesting and it changes up. Maybe the V12 XJC spoiled me for glorious noise. I'm finding it increasingly difficult to care about any new BMW these days, but I really wish someone would hide their chief stylist's red crayon.
It's like a diesel engine
My favorite part “ let’s take is outside and see how it drives…
Looks fun to drive !
Harry’s drinking game, every time he says “Regoolar”, take a drink!! Great review!
I honestly don't mind the grille or the lights at all. Biggest issue for me is the length and the fastback styling, it looks like a boat, weighs as much too
For those who love bling...Even for CSL owners, the speed limit in the UK remains at 70 mph. So primarily a car to risk at track days. And that traction problem - Keep a look out in the hedges near you, as that's where most will be 'parked'.
Thanks Harry
0:41 I remember standing outside Romans International in circa 2004/2005 with my mates in ours turbos and GTI's dribbling over what Romans had in-stock (about 5 Ferrari Enzos at the time!) and we heard this almighty induction noise.....it was some bloke absolutly harry flatters in his brand spankers E46 CSL, obviously with the SMG in it's most aggressive setting, what a noise and presence at the time! Naturally, with my mk2 Fiat Uno Turbo i.e.....I thought I could have it hahah. Good nights, good times. I miss visiting Romans International late at night.
I used to go villa medici restaurant and do exaclty the same after the meal. Crazy stock back in those days.
tape covering the speedo at 9:39 hahahaha, harry doesn't want to get caught
Not the speedo
Apologies, what is it instead?
Nice review Harry
What an ugly monster to my eyes
1600 kg! With no. Seats in the rear 😂
When you showed that engine bay. That giant brace over the engine looks as heavy as a small child! . On the vid looks very squirmy on acceleration.
1600kg but much faster than other M4s, especially your favourites from the past. From an engagement perspective, it might be lacking compared to the last CSL, but the difference in speed is mind boggling.
nah those braces usually weigh nothing. Ugly yes I agree
@@JohnFromAccounting you could nearly buy two M3s for the price of this and have 5x as many seats 😂 up in this price range you have a lot better options, starting with more purpose built platforms like GT4, Carrera GTS and Z06
@@papa_pt what's the point of it then
@@neillangdale829 still adds a good amount of rigidity tying the two ends together there like that.
Ex rear roll bar on normal e60 is maybe 15 mm, m5 is 20mm thick. That small difference still makes makes a noticeable change in how the car drives and makes less understeer, even though those bars weigh a few lbs max
Is that your NSU RO80 in the garage? I'd love to see video about it. Beautiful car.
I like the elongated grills on the M3/M4 applications. I don’t like it as much on the standard 4 series. To each their own.
Not another ugly BMW. Off to Johnny's channel immediately....
I wonder if European tastes will ever be the priority to a European company or is the future just tasteless/ tacky / brash sports cars (if we’re lucky) or ginormous SUVs that have sand mode…..
What were the concealing stickers on the dash covering @Harry's garage?
Hi Harry! Great video as always. I'd like to hear your thoughts on an E63 or a GT63 sedan, hopefully you can review those one day!
This is not a yacht channel
The automotive equivalent of "Clown Shoes".
Quite hideous. What was the question to which that was the answer?
That's the real question. What a monstrosity
Bang on. Maybe it's targeting empty nester Ford Mustang owners who want some European bling but like a 1600 kg 2 seater?
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BMW are so bad at finishes now that they cannot even be bothered getting decent PAN or Epoxy to make the carbon fiber bits so they are having to clear coat over them for UV protection. On top of that they left the tape ridges around the clear coat, they couldn't even be bothered removing the tape/stencil and spray one single coat of blend agent to flow the tape ridges out. That clear coat is going to peel off in one go in about T-minus 18month. Utterly ridiculous I'm in shock looking at how poorly made this is. £150k hahahaha they really are pushing the limit for the finance brigade these days. Junk!!
Hideous, ghastly, or abominable?
I think that was the question we were all asking.
Looks like it's still in primer, but what a car for a drifter ..YES, that definition of a drifter
A flawled diamond nicely said
Please note the previous M4 also had the roof mouldings with the little cutouts apparently for roof bars. Except that they were fake…there were no fixings below them as I discovered to my cost after buying an M4 and being assured by the dealer that you could fit roof bars! 😡. So don’t believe what Harry said about the current model being able to accept bars…unless you see for yourself. Sorry.
It's got ridiculous at this point mate I think the comment section is all anyone needs see to find out how its got.
E46 CSL is design perfection. A high point for BMW.
NSU Ro80 in the background Harry! My Dad had two back in the 1970s (he loved them but the second one ended in tears). When is that video out? 👍
The E46 CSL had room for your track wheels and tyres in special bags to fit on the rear seat, does the M4 CSL have provision anywhere to do that?
They even put lipstick on that pig 😁
It looks like someone's crashed into halfords, not a fan.
Enginering masterpiece,love it
Great review Harry.
I would say the geometry needs looking at as my F80 M3, my two friends' F80 CS M3 and F81 M4 Competition, benefitted from a geometry setup by Centre Gravity which eradicated the erratic traction issues. You would think that BMW would set these cars up properly, but they don't.
Just go and create your own CSL. I created my own E36 M3 Coupe sports/track car.
As for the 7:15 Ring lap, fab, a standard but stripped out, E36 M3 did it in 7:22. It just shows what M cars can actually achieve when set up correctly.
A standard but stripped e36 doing 7m22? Unlikely. Will have suspension, tyres and brakes.
@@cw205mi16 Yes indeed, by standard, I mean the engine. I should have said.