Juan Gonzalez Stole The MVP... TWICE
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- In 1996 Juan Gonzalez was crowned the AL MVP. To date this is considered one of the most egrigious MVP votes in modern history. I attempt to dissect what made the voters so inclined to choose a glorified DH with modset power number for the time over lifetime seasons from some of the games greats. And whats that? He did it again?!? Two years later?!?!? WHHHHHHAAAAAAA.............
“Cal Ripken Jr” “George Bell” and the “Frank Thomas” art done by the talented and lovely Alivia Burdette.
Music used in video:
Rasterphonics - Interlude
LewisLuong Relaxation Cafe - My Valentine
Akasha System - Iolation Wave
Gran Turismo 3 Race menu
Mr. Alleneous - joi
VHS LOGOS - TV2
Keith Mansfield - Sporting Highlights
Stephen Lopkin - Theme from SAPL
Virtual Vice - Name Without Letters
Gran Turismo 4 Soundtrack - GT Mode Course Slection
LewisLuong Relaxation Cafe - One Step at a Time
Rodan - Before the Train
Blue Spheres - Sonic Mania
Comfort Zone - Sonic Mania
Rasterphonics - Fluctuations in the Economy of Menial Spheres
Jeopardy Theme
Twighlight Zone Theme
The Dust Brothers - Corporate World
There is Hope (From Audioblocks)
MATTIA CUPELLI - Dark Tension Rising
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Virtual Vice - I Freeze As Time Goes By
All stats taken from Baseball Reference and Stathead
Thank you @Champion-Media07 for the 1996 ALDS clips.
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I have been looking for new high quality baseball content that isn't old FoolishBB or SB Nation videos for awhile now, and holy shit did you knock it out of the park dude! Awesome work, keep doing what you're doing!
This comment legit put a smile on my face. Thank you friend!
I thought this was Jon Bois commenting lol
This guy don’t know shit
Here's some more you might like..
Baseball Historian
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Secret Base
What’s wrong with foolish?
Belle not winning MVP w/the 50-50 season is truly criminal
Letting voters be old asshole writers who get their feelings hurt easily and vote against clear winners is a lesson that still hasn't been learnt yet.
So is his corked bats...😂😂😂
@@truthhurtz8517 Someone still believing corked bats give an advantage in the year 2023 is the true crime here.
This does a good job talking about RBIs and their value. Runs are more valuable, but that doesn't mean RBIs have no value.
One of the sad parts of baseball, and to me the part I never thought I would see, was the way modern fans are just and narrow minded and just as "medieval" as back in the 2000s, they just do it with different stats now.
I was one of the youngest members of SABR, and I thought I was on the real cutting edge of statical researched. But now it has shifted so that the nerds like me run the game without any thought as to the players they are analyzing. They have no thought to skills like RBIs. It's all about OPS+. That's great, but to be narrow minded and use WAR without any context is just as bone-headed. Guys like Gonzalez wouldn't be my choice for MVP, but a good lineup has to have that one guy that forces pitchers to pitch while thinking about the lineup rotation.
It may no show up in stats, but having one Paul Bunyan that can hit the ball to the moon is one of the reasons, I would argue, that the 1990s exploded in offensive production. Good offenses were built around said player, and said player started playing clean baseball by eating lots of Elephant Growth Hormone that was naturally butchered with steroids.
You have to look for a better research and better info, Juan Gonzalez didn't stole the MVP as you says, Juan Gonzalez earned the MVP for his effort and dedication not using steroids like Alex Rodriguez and others. 😊 And he deserves be in the HOF
Shit u right
Abso…FUCKING lutely!!! Love Juan Gone. FOH with this WAR flawed stat!!!
Except Juan Gonzalez was a steroid user also
My dude! I fall asleep to baseball videos every night and this is the video I will use tonight. Please put new content out every week!
As someone who also falls asleep to baseball videos I consider it a compliment
Also I will be streaming tonight at 7:00 EST on UA-cam with my good friend And That’s Baseball along with PlayoffTanaka and Mike from Stark Raving Sports.
Yessir
That 99 Rangers team was my absolute favorite as a kid. Palmeiro, Gonzalez, Pudge, Clayton. I loved watching them play.
You missed greer
I missing being at the ball park And hearing "next up to bat the Left fielder Ruusttyy Grrrreeer!"
This video literally makes a case for Gonzales for 2x MVP
Great yrs there in Texas, Gonzalez stole the MVPs is this guys video!! GTFOH!!!!!!!!!!
wow, fantastic video man!!! cheers
This is amazing. Great editing and pretty creative video topic. I hadn’t heard Juan Gonzalez in forever haha
Thank you friend!
Love the format
Thank you!
Can I just say your “eye popping stats” song with your own instrumental was the absolute best part of the video, thank you so much for that 😂
Oh thank you.
I’m not gonna lie, adding that was so last minute as I was afraid it would be too cheesy. That validation helps affirm my decision
@@nomorefielders Its the secret payoff of watching the whole video. Also as someone who religiously watches secret base/Bailey videos the wit and humor that you put into these makes me question if you’re not secretly part of their writing staff
@@michaelhopkins4538 hahaha man I wish. Thank you for watching though. It’s viewers like you that’ll hopefully put this channel in the same conversation as theirs in the coming months.
@@nomorefielders I think you’re on your way man! Best of luck to you
What a return, this may help you approach my sub count
Idk I gotta lot of ground to make up
Juan Gonzalez had 101 RBIs at the 1998 All Star Break. Damn!
It's quite obvious you haven't watched Juan Gonzalez play. You've just watched UA-cam clips. Without a doubt anyone that watched baseball during these years would agree that Juan Gonzalez was one of the most feared hitters in the league. He absolutely smoked the ball. Also absolutely the best hitter on that team.
Doesnt make him MVP worthy. JuanGon winning MVP in 1996 would be the same if Pete Alonso won MVP in 2023. Feared hitter, not MVP worthy
And in each of his MVP years, Arod, Griffey and Albert Belle were just better players than him
@nelsongalvez2577 is absolutely correct. Seeing Juan Gonzalez play through 1992-1999 was no doubt one of the most feared hitters in baseball. This video makes a compelling argument but it's based on sabermetrics and stat cast garbage which didn't exist at that time. Where a team finished in the standings meant something back then and did impact MVP voting. Not this participation trophy shit that goes on today. Albert Belle was gonna win zero awards. Dude was a complete beast but the media hated him and that's all it takes and was a bit of a dick. Now Griffey and Arod I'm getting there. As someone who has lived in Seattle the last 30 years. No doubt in my mind they got snubbed due to Seattle being such a small market. Not to mention the Mariners were never that good. I mean seriously in this town Dan Wilson is a legend......just sayin lol. When you say Seattle Mariners everyone know who Griffey is and that's it. In the grand scheme of things when it comes to MLB as a whole, Seattle gets forgotten about and always has and always will. No doubt in my mind that's why Arod and Griffey were passed up.
Ok I’ll bite, is it RBIs or just RBI?
it's whatever you think it is the split second before saying it
Flip a coin, or ask the nearest chicken. They always know.
I say RBIs, but I am an older MLB Fan.
RBI, RBIs is for people who say “The MLB”
Just found the channel and this was pretty good
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No more fielders has risen from the dead. rejoice!
Being dead was the woooooorsssst
>Don't get fooled by eye popping stats!
>WOWEE LOOK AT THAT WAR OH LAWD
WAR is fake btw
Great vid dude! A lil Dorktown foolish and stark influence here but made it your own. Plus the chart at 7:20 tells me that Cals MVPs are legit ! As an Os fan I totally agree👍🏽
All time Shortstop for an all time team
Just found your channel. Love your visual aesthetic and content. Keep these up!
Will do
Thank you!
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During the 1990's (my 23 to 33 years of age), I lived and worked in the DAFW area. I followed those Rangers and truly enjoyed that 1996-1999 run. So when I read the title and before watching the video, I was all set to write my "the problem with you young MLB fans today is..." response. After watching the video...I agree 100%. And yes, I will admit I was one of those MLB Fans that loved the Saves Stat in 1980's.
Those Rangers teams were truly fun. I loved that tidbit about how they didn’t really know how to celebrate when they won their first division title that year. Another cub stat I had to cut out was that the 96-99 Rangers had more MVPs in that span than any other team in the previous 10 years.
Great work! Love the style! I’m getting foolish baseball vibes
I def vibe with that
PLEASE keep making videos. These are incredible.
Trust me I have no plans of stopping
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Thank you! I could make these videos all day as well!
Albert Belle and his corked bats...😂😂
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Banger vid dude keep it up I love your content
Thank you!
As a lifetime Ranger fan, I think you bring up a lot of good points. It's easy to tear holes in Juando sabremetrically. But I'll tell you what wins games-scoring more runs than the other team. It's not something you can really quantify, but there's value in a guy who finds a way bring guys home. We criticize guys who seem to always leave runners in scoring position. Juan was the opposite of that guy. There are players who have a knack for doing that. Fred McGriff, Bernie Williams, and Garrett Anderson, and Adrian Beltre come to mind.
I'm not sure who your favorite team is or how old you are, but the Rangers have always been dogged by poor starting pitching. Since Gonzalez helped to alleviate that issue, he provided VALUE. So who was the best player in 1996? For me it's Ken Griffey Jr. But that's purely subjective.
I enjoyed the video. I'll check out your other work.
Fun thing regarding 9:47 - around that time, they had a rule as well that each player could only win the MVP one time in their career. So, Babe Ruth got it in 1923 (when it appears voting started), and, despite having seasons better than that, he didn't even "receive votes" again until 1931.
You earned a sub for life once I saw the clip from ‘In Bruges’ @16:15
I low key forgot I used that clip. But yeah Ralph Fiennes is a treasure
Don’t really understand why you’ll dock Maury for getting caught a league leading 13 times when it’s like a 90% success rate.
Yeah tbh that thought came across to me while editing the script, I think it’s more to prove a bigger point that there are some stats that come with an asterisk even if it’s at 20% opacity.
90% success rate is elite, but it was more to say “Maury Wills’ season defining stat wasn’t bulletproof”
@@nomorefielders Ya but 90% success while stealing, especially at that volume, does make it bullet proof? A fun thing to do too is adjusting OPS and/or Slugging by turning singles into doubles where he stole a base or even triples if he stole 2. Then remove the hit/walk when he’s caught. Let’s make stealing great again.
@@parkermaki3799 actually I legitimately had this thought a few months ago (you can check my Twitter to verify), but I know what you’re saying about Wills. It was such a high volume so it didn’t really matter that much that he led the league in CS.
Already liked some of the vids on this channel, saw the MF DOOM poster in your room, and immediately subbed
One of these years he was close to hitting 100 rbi before the break
Yeah but he (or a Rangers secretary or something) signed a baseball card I mailed to him along with a self-addressed stamped envelope in like 1999 so that kind of cancels out the negative dWAR in my heart
Dude that’s awesome his xHEART is 1.000
@@nomorefielders chipper and larry walker also got back to me so they're all tied in that stat
Keep upthe videos bro, youll do great yoyre like a perfect mix between jon bois vibe and foolish bailey's vibe with a little something extra
That’s one of the best comps I’ve ever received
WAR be damned, in 1996 there's not a soul on the planet that would've picked Mark McLemore for their team over Juan Gonzalez
Well that’s because I wasn’t born yet
Just shows how flawed of a stat WAR actually is.
There is lies, damn lies, then there's statistics.
There's not a single person who'd pick him today
@@tomturbo1317 yep, speaking as a Cleveland fan, I'd be an idiot to turn town 47 more homers. Sorry McLemore
He didn’t steal anything
He stole my heart
He did not steal anything, except 2 bases. Baseball writers voted for him!
Joe Cronin vs. Lou Gehrig vote is wild. Cronin is literally behind Gehrig in every stat. Maybe Cronin was a monster on defense, I have no idea, but he was strongly dominated at the plate.
Great video!
Thank you!
I don't agree with almost anything you said. Saying a guy that missed 30 games & still drove in 144 runs is ridiculous that he wasn't the best player on the team in 96. He's the guy they counted on to drive in runs (you know that thing you can't win any games without doing) & did that better than anybody. he deserved that MVP he didn't steal it. Not going to waste my time watching the last half of this.
the 1952 NL MVP vote was so egregious that even voters themselves said it made no sense that Hank Sauer won over Robin Roberts
Would've been cool to see an OPS/OPS+ comparison, because Gonzales's 1dot OPS is quite impressive
'98 is arguable and i stand with the voters because you need runs to win and rbis are always a 100% chance to either get back from a deficit or win a close game there were surefire better candidates but a batted in run season that hasnt been seen for 48 years is historical
Shout out to the printed picture of 2021 Jed Lowrie 🙌
I still have it if you want me to send it as a souvenir
He didn’t steal the MVP, he was awarded it by know all journalists.
In a general context, how the reaction would be to the 1996 AL MVP selection... don't hate on the wrong guy (Gonzalez, who was damn great at what he did best). The voters just didn't know any better about the whole matrices in statkeeping that makes it all the more (in)famous in baseball.
You put Maury Wills' 13 caught stealing in a negative context. He had an 89% success rate, a remarkable achievement of a player running so often.
How can you possibly say that Frank Thomas didn't lead his team in WAR in 1993 and 1994
Gonzalez had an arm... he caught the ball at the warning track in right field (Rangers Bullpen) & through a missile to third base.
He would single handly rip the Yankees.
this video is the perfect example of why WAR is such a flawed "stat"
Tell me with a straight face, even without using WAR, that Juan Gon deserved 1996 MVP over Griffey.
@@shoukatsukai Arod was the one that was truly robbed. 358 /36/ 123 9.6 war as a short stop is insane and hands down the best season for a SS ever
Subbed. Beautiful.
Appreciate it!
99% of videos like this can be summarized as "Baseball Reference didn't exist yet".
Big true
Oh BOY that was good
also thanks for the shoutout!
I wish I could’ve done a bigger shoutout but as always….budget constraints
i'm not complaining, it's always appreciated
That's ludicrous
*Ludacrush
I cringe so hard going back and looking at mvp and cy young votings from the past. I know they didn't have war or other super advanced metrics back then, but still some of them were so obviously wrong
Oh it gets bad… really really bad
Yes they were!
I don't...advanced metrics are bullshit for the most part.
*cries in Ted Williams mvp voting*
Yea ah NO!! Watched Juan Gone play alot in person in the 90s and He was an RBI machine hitting a bit over .305 hitter and had a strong arm. Not like Vlad ot Ichiro but he wasn’t as horrible as many more in the league. He wasn’t a gold glover at all but he wasn’t horrible. He drove in alot of runs and helped those Ranger teams with horrible pitching. Definitely disagree
Still clueless as to how Juan Gone beat out pretty much the 5 or 6 names right under him that year. How did arod not take it home….he scored 52 more runs and had a ba .44 points higher!
Because he got hot in 96 2nd half, and pretty much lead the rangers to the playoffs.
In 98 gonzales was at one point on pace to break hack wilson’s record he led league in rbi’s i think he earned it in 98
Were you alive to see him play? Juan was never a great defensive player but he wasn't terrible either.
Never thought I’d see someone playing the “were you even alive?” card but that’s why I specifically said I wished I had more video to look at. But from the few clips I saw he clearly looked a step behind the ball.
@@nomorefielders Exactly! You made a 20 minute video about him not deserving his mvp's without more evidence. I think 46 errors in 17 seasons isn't bad. But what do i know I'm not a know it all baseball youtuber. BTW those Mariner teams were loaded with Edgar Martinez and Jay Buhner too. Do you know who they are? Since you weren't born yet.
@@Nick-gk6us Jay Buhner is the guy from that one Action Bronson verse
@@Nick-gk6us also you still measure defensive prowess by errors? Ok
@@nomorefielders no but it shows he wasn’t a defensive liability like you think. I’ve been a ranger fan since the early 90s and I’ve seen bad outfielders. Jose Canseco taking a ball off the head and Nelson Cruz losing the World Series 2011.
I actually watched The Rangers a lot back then when it happened. You saying Mark Mclemore and Rusty Greer are better based on some need formula is lame. Twisting numbers and reality at the same time to benefit your narrative. You didn’t see the games you’re too young. You’re opinion is invalid.
Are you the real Jim Harbaugh?
@@robberonbrent yes Unless you’re an Ohio state fan
I say the same thing, I am 37. Juan Gonzalez was one of the most feared hitters in his prime.. I mean feared, before vlad Guerrero , there was Juan, he can hit a home run with a fast ball at the knees, few major leaguers can do that. Probably Harper is the only player I can see heating an outside or inside pitch at the knees out the ball park and he is Bryan Harper..
144 RBI s in 132 games is crazy no matter what little stat you throw in there.. Trust me. This guy was a terror , and pitchers feared him so he barely got any good pitch to hit, look where Juan had to dig his balls from for homers and hits and you tell me this guy was not insane, not close, those numbers you are talking don't really make no sense . sorry
Great MF Doom picture
Thank you. It was a gift.
All I know is that I have a signed baseball card by Juan Gonzalez so im good, is cool having a baseball card signed by a 2 Time MVP 😂😂😂😂
Sweet, sweet RBIs
new No More Fielders Content? Opening Day? life is good
Indeed
Giving follow due to MF doom poster
You can't compare those stats, HR Kings get less good pitches to hit than middle of the order hitters, so those numbers people throw are rarely make any sense when translated to real game action.. not a big fan of the money ball..
Juan was the man
In Texas he was def wasn't when he was in detroit
To be fair, a good part of the reason the MVP is often not the highest WAR player on the team is because team aces tend to get disproportionally high WAR numbers, yet pitchers rarely win MVP unless they truly have completely dominant seasons. 2002 Miguel Tejada is a good example, given he was easily the best position player on the team but had fewer WAR than his teammate Barry Zito who won the CYA that year.
Wouldn’t WAR Share be offset if more people got voted one year over another? Maybe I’m confused
Yeah that’s true. I like to think it balances out and the margin of error isn’t too egregious. I should’ve probably limited it to the top 20 vote getters but you live and you learn.
You can't convince me 104/13 is a bad SB ratio.
Those Rangers sure stole many AL MVP from 1996-2003
JuanGon = 1996 and 1998
Pudge over Pedro in 1999
AROD (playing for a 70 win team) over other AL players
The worst MVP the Rangers stole was 1974 with Jeff Burroughs
WAR is so overrated. Hell, there isn't even one agreed upon formula, we got bWAR and fWAR both of which have major flaws. Try all you want there is no one singular stat (and probably never will be) that can be used to judge/compare players. Just picking the guy with the highest WAR and calling him the MVP is boring and, considering that fWAR and bWAR will likely give you different results, stupid.
Facts
youre entertaining as fuck dude keep it up!!
Legendary comment. Thank you friend!
Jon Bois… is that you?
Man I wish
Very entertaining way to brain wash and try to change what really happened. Gonzalez OWNED those years and was the overall best player when you combine RBIs, HRs, BA, and taking a team that wasn’t in the playoffs in decades all the way to the end, and even breaking the October record for HRs in the playoffs. Only Ken Griffey Jr was at par with Juan Gonzalez at that time. Give credit to Juan Igor… who should be in the Hall of Fame already! Even Ivan agrees with me
Again I’m not saying he was bad by any means. Just that with the benefit of hindsight, there were clearly better players in the league both years he won.
96 Alex Rodriguez has the best season for a SS ever. 358/36/123 won a batting title and played elite defense at SS.
In retrospect, the writers not selecting Albert Belle in 1995 should have been cause for more outcry. It shows that writers are the real problem with the game.
Look at the modern case with Curt Schilling. By every objective measure, Curt Schilling is a close to first ballot or first ballot lock HOFer. Why is he still not in? Because he committed a thought crime. The same guy who won the Clemente Man of the Year award in 2002 has "character issues"? Writers and what they bring is a throwback to a bygone age, and now they serve absolutely no purpose. I can get a quote from any player, watch any highlight and do anything a writer can. I don't need them.
Nice DOOM poster
Yooo thanks for noticing. I literally messed up that shot to make it look like I was drowing in the frame on purpose just to get the poster in there.
Of course he is an MF DOOM fan. All caps.
Man's right to know
Contemplate that at these hands write to flow
It ain't done yet
He let ya know some of the results come sunset
Nice video... a perspective of someone who watches baseball on "paper". Hey!... go out and smell the grass and feel some dirt in your eyes. This is the kind of persoective that the Cubs followed on order to sign that tall outfielder that previously played for the Braves and I duking forgot his name. Still, it's a nice video.... and Arod should've won. Igor comoquiera MVP.
Like your content. Its on par with Baseball Historian and Baseball Doesn't Exist.
Got an idea for you..... obscured baseball movies. Movies like Long Gone, Bingo Long and the Traveling All Stars, the Showtime movie about Satchel Paige, etc. Hit me up if need more titles or want a basic millennial baseball fan/sandlot player.
Speaking of sandlot, that might be another idea. Look into sandlot teams and their antics. ;)
Hey!
That would be really cool actually. I’ve been wanting to incorporate more pop culture savvy into these vids. Maybe do a baseball movie review corner. I like it!
@@nomorefielders dude, def watch long gone and do a breakdown. Hell, breakdown all baseball films lol
While I enjoyed the video, I disagree. Juan Gonzalez was an absolute beast and I will never forget the summer he chased Hack Wilson's RBI record, that was the stuff of legend.
Fair enough. I think what most people don’t understand is that I’m not calling Juan Gonzalez bad by any means, just saying that there were more deserving candidates at the time in my opinion.
I definitely see your point and it was well presented. As someone who grew up idolizing Griffey and Thomas (like most 90’s kids), Juan sure captured our hearts and minds for a few years and I keep forgetting he isn’t in the Hall of Fame. That’s how prolific he was at the time.
Im not the biggest baseball journalist fan and i believe their having a large portion of sway in awards is as ridiculous as owners having most of the sway over a commissioner, but imo average/baseline stats like war and ops/era+ have similar inherent problems to normal counting and average stats like average or era. The imaginary replacement level player will differ from year to year, park to park, and position to position, which is fine and all because it obviously differs in real life- but each player and each imaginary replacement-level player they may be graded off of differs in the value they offer and how that translates into wins. For every offense or fielding first player whose counting stats dont always differentiate them from similar players- even the accepted "replacement level" per situation, there are pitchers and hitters on teams like the rangers and rockies. Whether war differentiates every player's performance per park and per game impact, or feasibly can in the calculation of subjective value of all players, is to be seen.
No love for Brady in 96, oof
It’s bc he was just too dang cool
Great video. Juan gonzalez is a known bandit.
You bleep cocaine?
When you finally get to see a player LIVE on the field , you notice certain things .... For Juan Gon , what stood out was his MIGHTY crack of the bat when he hit the ball. Juan just sounded louder and crisper than the others. But, what you also noticed with him was even though he was lean and had a long stride - was HOW SLOW he was on the base paths. PAINFULLY SLOW.... he had hustle to ONE base and that was IT.
Your "Most RBIs in a season by an AL player since 1950" quote at the end, is incorrect. Manny Ramirez had 165 in 1999 for the then Indians.
Homie, I meant at the time when he did it, which was 1998.
Favorite stat from juan gone, 2x mvp, 3x all-star. Wasn't even an all-star in 96.
The fans and managers knew better
Also 6x silver slugger
That's also the year Brady Anderson hit 50 homers (after 16 the season before) and Cleveland won 99 games which had their fans stuffing the ballot boxes. if you look at the rosters the AL team was mostly mariners, indians and yankees. Plus Joe Carter and Greg Vaughn were added to the team to have a representative.
Damn I love me some Kevin Zorbo
What exactly did Juan Gonzalez do to steal the MVP? Did he rig the voting? Did intimidate the other players to drop out? WTF kind of idiocy is this? Blame the system, not the player.
Dude… it’s a UA-cam video
@@nomorefielders it is?
These new dorky stats is part of the reason people have stopped watching.
Honestly agree
@@nomorefielders I played a long time and none of this swing for fences crap makes any sense.
it made me start watching
No he did not steal it
I saw him do it tho
There was no war back then dunce
He didn't lead the league in any of the offensive categories they used (HR, RBI, AVG, SB) back then dunce
@@shoukatsukai Led the American League in homers in both 1992 (43) and 1993 (46) and had a league-leading 157 RBI in 1998....
Do you even know anything about Baseball?
@@phillip_iv_planetking6354 Griffey hit 56 homers in 1998 and kept pace with Sosa and Mcgwire until August and yet he finished 4th in MVP voting. He didn't even finish that far behind JuanGon in RBIs either (157 vs 146). Add in that Griffey was probably the best five tool player of the 90s and he was robbed of back to back MVPs.
@@shoukatsukai Yeah but Juan had a better BA at .318
Hit 50 doubles to Griffey's 33.
And got more hits.
All the while playing less games.
@@phillip_iv_planetking6354 I don't like the argument that playing less games makes him more deserving. But I'd rather take Griffey who hit more homers, stole more bases, and played a good center field over JuanGon who had more rbis and hits. And like Manny Ramirez had almost the exact same season as JuanGon and he never won an MVP. So I'm just confused how this dude won another MVP when everyone was doing the same.
A-Rod winning MVP in 1996 would have been an absolute joke.
Why reward a guy who didn’t make the playoffs? Because WAR apparently matters more than, you know, actual wins.
From 1996 - 1999 the Yankees won 3 World Series titles. (The Marlins won the only other one)
From 1996 - 1999 the Rangers won 3 MVPs. (The Mariners won the only other one)
After Juan Gone drove in 157 RBI... the next year Manny drives in 165... where his MVP at?
They finally learned their lesson
DON’T GET FOOLED BY EYE-POPPING STATS
JUST. DONT. DO IT